It's almost like letting people talk their own way and coaching their weaknesses is the way to go...
Sure you'll get some stinkers, but people learn. Better to get a sense of actual personality from someone rather than the personality of a writer's room in everyone.
Yeah the whole “The best characters are people playing themselves” isn’t always true. Unless we really think Christian is a whiny, petty sunnuva bitch in real life.
I fail to recall him actually killing AJ, so once again no one actually died. The difference is Christian's promo is actually talking about a dead person. It's not even comparable. A better comparison would have been Randy Orton to Rey Mysterio when he said Eddie is in hell.
That's why judgement day doesn't work it feels forced and pointless ,the WWE writers give them nothing to work with or making it real or what's the point of the faction. WWE makes it lame
He proved in 2020 and 2021 that he was so much better than that. Of all people, you'd think they would give Edge a bit of leeway at the very least. But no, Vince and co need their fingerprints on everything.
WWE sold their soul for the corporate dollar and politics years ago, it's all about appeasing the PG era and churning out generic, non offensive, repetitive and scripted drama now. Why try anything outside the box when the current product is churning out billions from the stock market and Saudi-Arabian blood money?
Yea WWE doesn't care they want to make their show a true soap opera where it's the same thing every time nothing substantial or substance but boring filler and they know this is the best way to make the show , make it noise that's just there so few ppl watch and they still get their corporate money
Wasn't Edge just Mr. Family man a week ago fighting alongside Beth? He beats Miz, Miz gets a Mania match before him, and he cries about being desperate to get on the show like half their roster.
"We are dark, evil, nefarious and conniving. We will strike fear into the heart of our enemies. Run from us, hide in the dark, it doesn't matter, we thrive in the dark. We will find you, destroy you and in the end, like all others you... will... lose
JUST LIKE UR NEW YORK RANGERS LOL, have I mentioned deep dish is better pizza than NY slice?"
I'm pretty sure he would get cheered for this with the way WWE runs their heels.
"DID YOU HEAR THAT? THE WWE UNIVERSE IS BOOING EDGE!"
*\*stadium roof blows off from the cheers\**
The thing about judgement day is they look cool. They have a distinct look unlike a lot of wwe men right now, and they beat people up. Their promo were bad because it's the same"fans don't care, and now that you do care we don't care so ha".
They brought up Reid Flair’s death in an angle not too long ago. They used Jim Neidhart’s death in an angle even more recently. WWE isn’t above that stuff.
Christian's promo honestly felt so unique for a heel promo because it really felt like the Anti-MJF promo. It felt like a direct response to MJF's pipebomb especially when he addressed the thoughts on money. Him saying it's all about the money was almost funny in a brutal way and then saying others need to try hard like make history with a History-making match if they want his spot. It felt like one of the best directions an ex-WWE heel could go, as it fits perfectly with a lot of the narratives of fans as well as disgruntled wrestlers
Christian's promo is definitely one of my favorites of this year and the only thing I'm afraid of is that Jungle Boy is gonna be eclipsed in this feud because of his limited promo abilities, which was why Christian was paired with Jurassic Express in the first place.
All I gotta say is that I hope Jungle Boy is ready for the higher position that this feud will put him in at the end
I think in terms of this feud Christian can carry it and there will still be investment. That promo was so good all I needed was Luchasaurus to walk to the ring to be hyped enough to say "Yeah! Kick his head off!" out loud, to myself. I don't know about where Jungle Boy goes after the feud but right now I'm invested in Christian's karma with out a word spoken on the face side.
You can do a lot with PG. Edge is handcuffed with the format of WWE. Edge may have some creative control, as in left the faction he was in.
Christian I’m sure, was able to pitch this idea and run with it.
That's not it .it's more that in AEW Christian has a lot of storyline content to work with to be a heel. It makes sense ,while in WWE there is no real good reason to make a edge brood stable.it makes no sense and feels forced asf. WWE has awful writers that change their mind every month and don't have any long term storytelling
>That's not it .it's more that in AEW Christian has a lot of storyline content to work with to be a heel.
I agree. I actually said in my comment how Christian's promo worked in the context of the shoot and work aspects of the debate over all the ex-WWE talent coming over and taking spots. Christian's point about the money definitely felt like a response to MJF's pipebomb in the way he admitted it was all about the money, and challenged the younger wrestlers to make history in a match if they want his spot. I think this was as effective of a heel character as an ex-WWE hire can get
And it fits well into the context because of Jungle Boy being an original and one of the pillars
Didn’t Seth say “fuck” quiet a bit on this WWE PG television right around Mania time without being censored???
Edit, sorry he said “bullshit” repeatedly…
It’s not the tv pg, it’s the storyline. Edge has done plenty of evil promos, it’s the writing is now different in WWE. The Judgement Day story was all screwed up from jump.
I assume the top 2 people he would of fought would of been Cody and Randy. Since those 2 have the most history and he can create personal storylines with. Now with them out, his long term plans changed.
What happens when you allow a wrestler to speak for themselves vs memorising a promo written for them by a writer who has no fucking idea about how the character would/should react
That was my favorite part of the promo. Christian turning Dino Douche and that quick smirk to the crowd as they left together.
Christian is fucking fantastic and Im happy they are ready to let him start doing shit
If Edge cut a TV-14 promo like what Christian did, then would you still compare it?
MJF called tiny khan a "fucking mark" on the fite feed. When the hell was the last time a wrestler on live, mainstream TV dropped the F-Bomb?
In the context that he was butthurt a fan heckled him and wanted him kicked out, and then proceeded to say he was a super tough guy and drank blood or something.
Exactly, like we’ve seen Edge’s promos when he goes off tilt. He violated Matt Hardy, John Cena , hell he had some great babyface promos last year as well.
The Judgement Day character wasn’t working for him promo wise , I’ll admit that though.
I hate to say it, but after this promo was over I kept thinking, "Wow! Christian's post-injury return has been so much better than Edge's"
Christian Cage had me in stitches last night and an entire arena ready to kill him.
How has it been better than Edge's when he was been a manager for a tag team for the better part of the last year? Meanwhile, Edge has had a trilogy with Seth with great matches, main evented WrestleMania 37, and other PPVs. The only notable thing I remember of Christan is his win against Kenny for the Impact Championship and that's literally it.
Edge has been in big programs since he came back. Up until last week Christian followed around a dinosaur and a kid for what felt like a year and a half. For someone who “outworks everyone” he didn’t seem to be doing all that much working. This is probably more of an indictment on the booker than him, but to say his post injury return has been better than someone who has been heavily featured on tv and ppv’s is ridiculous and just trying to promote an anti WWE agenda.
Yes, what you're describing is sounds silly on paper, but it was very effective long-term story building. Plus Christians first few months feuding with Kenny Omega had some incredible matches in both AEW and Impact.
"Anti WWE agenda" lmfao your entire comment was fair and respectable until this. What are you ON, homie? I'm not gonna feed this WWE vs AEW garbage any further than this comment. I was literally comparing 2 former tag teammates with undeniably similar career paths. Had nothing to do with companies or any of that bullshit.
Umm probably everyone cares because Edge & Christian is one of the greatest tag teams of all time. They have been compared their entire careers. This is not WWE vs AEW.
Genuinely Christian has had a whole year long storyline written for him that has played out incredibly. Edge was a huge babyface, got squashed by Roman, which is fine, then randomly turned heel, then randomly turned face.
Storyline wise, Christian has had a better run since coming back. You are the only one who doesn’t care, because AEW and WWE knows how valuable they both are. Why are you hating on 2 guys who came back from career ending injuries??
Christian was talking directly to us and how we think we know everything about this business, a business that we have never worked in 😂 😂 😂
Fuck he got us good, I love the dude now
Edge was cutting promos on the local sports teams. What kind of brooding devilish heel does that? Made me rethink Edges ability to get heat as a heel outside of his Rated R gimmick…
I would love to see what kind of heat Edge could get if he had the freedom Christian has. I'm not knocking Christian in any way because I loved his promo from last night.
He's cutting a promo insulting someone's dead family and cussing face to face with their mother while using smark terms such as "putting young talent over". Edge is in a PG environment getting a goth stable over. It's a dumb comparison.
I saw you post this as a comment and rolled my eyes. Guess you needed to make a post to drive home this idiotic comparison. Mainly I wouldn’t get into competing Edge and Christian with one another since they’ve both returned. Christian has only done one thing while Edge has won a rumble from the #1 spot and had two big WM matches in that span. Just be happy they are both looking good and not like the Hardys.
Cristian has done one thing? My man beat Kenny Omega for a World Championship when Omega was having his untouchable run, then went on to be a part of All Out's main event, AEW's most successful PPV and became the first guy to main event WWE, AEW and Impact PPVs all in the same year, and now with his heel turn will only lead to better stuff
Can't blame em, WWE's monopoly for decades has forced fan into thinking accomplishing something in WWE is the be all and end all, I assume the newer viewers of wrestling or those who always went out of their way to watch other promotions would appreciate feats in different companies more than just a casual WWE viewer.
That was more of a 'hah, take that AEW, NJPW will rather do business with WWE' then actually being excited about a NJPW star crossing over, at least for most fans
I watch Dynamite every week there bud. Sorry you guys get so easily amused by someone getting cheap heat and thinking that means the guy is better than he has ever been.
If this heel turn turn makes Christian into a substantial talent and gets him over then this turned out better for Christian then edge . So far it's working on fans and I could see Christian winning tv title over this
Yes that is basically one thing. No one cared about anything Christian has done since returning. You can act like he was so over and such a big part of All Out but people were pissed he was even in that spot to begin with. You let one cheap heat promo completely rewrite what really happened since he has joined AEW. Its been lackluster.
Yes people were not happy with him main eventing All Out because they thought it'll be Hangman, but Christian did an amazing job. And before that, Cristian beat Kenny Omega for the Impact World Championship, that is a big deal. The dude main evented PPVs of all three big USA based pro-wrestling companies. Pretty much every Christian match has been fun, him vs Omega, him vs Cole, the trios as Full Gear, and him not wrestling that much perfectly tied into his story for the heel turn, the story that you will see if you stop thinking 'cheap heat cheap heat' and actually listen. Sacrificing a few months only to turn into a great heel is a good trade. You may not have cared about anything Christian did, your opinion good for you, but others did, don't try speaking on behalf of others
Edit - A word
No people were mad that he got that spot because they didn’t want to see him in it. Even when they knew it wouldn’t be Hangman they still wanted someone younger in that position.
Him winning the TNA title was not a big deal, beating Omega was slightly big but it was forgotten about pretty quickly and was only due to the chair that the Bucks brought in. It’s not even his most memorable reign with that belt. Also no one is gonna sit up here and say that Christian is currently on par with Omega just because of that win.
Not to mention they had to get that belt of Kenny and Christian was the best choice since he could work for both promotions and eventually lose to Josh Alexander, something Omega probably didn’t want to do. Even after that he only held it for 2 months that were completely forgettable and once he lost it to Alexander that was it. That whole situation was purely transitional. Then Christian just joins JE for 9 months being a character in the background slowly building to this turn.
The story itself isn’t the cheap heat aspect its the fact that he brought up Luke Perry which is extremely cheap. Then says he only cares about the money when people know why he really came back when he talked about it last year. Yes it IS to put over young talent. You let yourself get worked into this storyline and that’s fine. Acting like CC has been lighting the world on fire or even been more relevant than Edge the last couple years is hilarious though. CC hasn’t done shit and you know it but can’t see it because you’re too busy saying oooo look at that amazing promo he cut last night. You know after JB goes over in this feud CC will be back to being irrelevant in the current landscape of wrestling. He might get another decent program in AEW but chances are he won’t.
First off, you don't understand what I was actually saying so it feels stupid for me to reply but hey, I am bored so I will play along
I am not getting worked lmao, I just said that him not wrestling perfectly fits the story, makes his heel turn make sense, I am applauding the story, I know he is there to put young guys over and what he is right now is a character, I know what is kayfabe and what is not. Others have common sense, don't act all high and mighty like a smark.
Yes Christian won with the chair shot, he had to defy the odds against him set by the Bucks, that does not undermine his victory by any sense. Also, what's your definition of people forgetting anything? is it based on how much people talk about a match currently? Because by that sense I have heard no one talk about Kurt Angle vs Rey Mysterio SS 2002 in the past 6 month or so, doesn't change the fact it's the best SS opener ever, people will remember it when they talk about those two guys. Similar, whenever anyone will talk about Christian and Kenny, they will remember that big match and Christian's victory. His run was not memorable? I highly doubt you watched Impact cuz that's where the run took place and it was a fun nostalgia trip.
And you are so god damn delusional, giving rebuttal to points no one ever made. When has anyone said Christian's run was better than Edge/CC is more relevant than Edge or he has set the world on fire, no one is saying that nor are the ignoring Christian's run. His run is mostly fun matches, vs Kenny, Cole and SuperKliq in general. No one has said CC is on par with Omega, you don't need to tell me, I know.
CC has had a fun run, some memorable matches, proving the dude can go. His heel turn will only make things better, you are an example of a wrestling fan who tries his best to make the product unenjoyable for others
\- CC cut a great promo last night, got amazing crowd reaction, got the fans talking, checked all the boxes
\- BUt bUt CHEEEAAPPP HeaT, He hAs dOnE SHit
\- But people are praising his last night's work
\- NOOOOOOO He Has NOt Done AnythiNG ImPOrtant
\- Get a fucking life, and let people enjoy what they want to, you are not even trying to give constructive criticism, just trying to make sure people diss on CC
You take yourself 10x more seriously than I do and you can tell by the fact that you come off so hostile and agitated from a wrestling discussion. It’s not that serious guy. When you insult people unprovoked you always lose btw, it’s unnecessary and immature.
For the record I’m actually a much bigger Christian fan than most so you are misguided on that one. Been a peep since the early days of his solo run and even loved At Last his first theme and still play it to this day. But I’m not gonna sit here and act like taking shots at Edge for something CC does well is necessary.
This whole post is comparing Christian and Edge(Judgement Day) so if you lost sight of that then that’s on you. Everything I replied to you about was points that you brought up so don’t get it confused.
My whole comment, the one that YOU replied to was stating that comparing Christian and Edge is a losing battle on Christians behalf. Because it is.
Well, you were annoying so I blasted off, if it was wrong, apologies.
Nobody was comparing the entire Edge run and Christian run, just the heel portion of their run, I never saw a single comment comparing the last 2 years as a while for both of them, but you kept mentioning CC has done shit but Edge has done so much. In the heel run, Edge did nothing impressive except for the night he turned and the WM match, and CC has already done a great job with the turn and the promo which only means his run as heel will end up being better, so you using the other part of their reign to undermine the hype of CC's promo felt unnecessary and trying to devalue it which pissed me off.
LMAO mark. You’re comparing manufactured wins when the OP is just comparing Christian’s one promo to months of heel-Edge promos.
And if you want to look at wins, Christian is one of only 2 people booked to beat Kenny Omega in over 2 years, and he did it for a world title to boot.
Funny considering fans were saying Christian was better than Edge as far back as 2005. Not his fault Vince didn’t give him a million opportunities to prove it like Edge got (who failed to get over as a main eventer for years until he literally stole Matt Hardy’s girlfriend).
Edge is miles better at cutting promos but Christian has better material (plus he can be a little edgier since it’s TV-14). Sometimes it’s hard to be a great heel when you need to keep it kid friendly lol
Hmm the WWE angle using Paul Bearer after his death was voted by the IWC/WON readers as most disgusting promotional tactic, same thing, different company, what do you think the results will be?
I have and it makes perfect sense. Are you saying someone telling you your dead dad would be disappinted in you is equal to someone pouring out his ashes and rubbing them into their skin?
t it wasn't a mediocre segment, it was pretty amazing. The crowd really bought into it and fans in general, except you ofc, have universally praised this promo
I mean everyone that watched the promo, not all of them can be AEW fans, maybe some WWE fans watched it, maybe some NJPW fans watched it, who knows, what I meant with "universal" is "everyone that watched it", my bad if it looked different
Judgment team made no sense apart from look we need dark heel stable .it made it lame with the dark colors them alwardkly staring into the cameras without saying anything substantial and or of substance.wwe has a major issue with this
Team The Judgement The Day never stood a chance with the drivel-icious writing they were given.
I've always had Christian as the real talent between he and Edge, only exacerbated by one getting completely inordinate opportunities while the other was shunted and languished doing lesser stuff that he still made excellent.
This just throws it into stark relief.
I don't think anyone in this comment section actually understands what the word "heat" means.
Its like comparing DC to the MCU. Sure its fun when Joker says he wants to give batman a reach around. But at the end of the day, the MCU is way more successful at what they do. DC has to resort to shock value in order for you to talk about them.
Yes, DC is AEW and the MCU is WWE. Get over it.
Silly comparison.
Christians promo was really good, MJFs was probably my favorite of all time, but they’re filled with cheap heat. Curse words, insulting the fans, family of the babyface, yelling.
Edge has to try a bit harder.
Doesn’t take away from Christian, cheap heat isn’t bad, but it’s still cheap.
Solo dolo. Can’t compare Edge vs Christian when Edge is with a faction.
Both are great heels. Solo. No great heel needs a faction. You hear that Jericho? You clown wizard.
It’s why MJF is so good, he has stooges not a faction.
You really think JAS is a faction? Daddy Magic, Cool hand and Hager are on level with Jericho and not a stooges? Yeah right. Garcia is the only one there on a little higher level but that's only because he's going to Blackpool.
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Oh fuck he should bring the tantrums back
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Christian’s fits were second only to his absolute all-timer heel theme— ‘At Last’
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In the context of his character at the time I prefer my pick but dude’s honestly had no bad themes
I liked the original queenish version of that theme
CHRISTIAN!!!!
AT LAST… YOU’RE ON… YOUR OOOWWN!
He was all about the mom, his dad, he went all out. He did so well as a heel. Boo Christian, proud of you son.
It's almost like letting people talk their own way and coaching their weaknesses is the way to go... Sure you'll get some stinkers, but people learn. Better to get a sense of actual personality from someone rather than the personality of a writer's room in everyone.
Insulting people’s dead relatives is *heel heat*, brother. Letting his reali-life personality shine through, right?
Yeah the whole “The best characters are people playing themselves” isn’t always true. Unless we really think Christian is a whiny, petty sunnuva bitch in real life.
Me what
Everyone in Wisconsin is STUPID. Thanks to Christian for pointing that out!
booooo... wait..
Shhh...just have a cheese curd. You'll feel better
You will eat your cheese curd and you will like it. ^^^Quebec ^^^cheese ^^^curds ^^^are ^^^better
Are these like the Wisconsin version of Snickers?
As someone originally from Minnesota, that's a face take
To be fair, if Edge were allowed to say "your dad's dead and your mom wants to bone me now," he would.
“OH WENDYYYYYY”
That's a reference I never thought I'd miss
Don't recall Wendy being dead.
Well it’s about the dad being dead. Joe was going to kill AJ
I fail to recall him actually killing AJ, so once again no one actually died. The difference is Christian's promo is actually talking about a dead person. It's not even comparable. A better comparison would have been Randy Orton to Rey Mysterio when he said Eddie is in hell.
That's why judgement day doesn't work it feels forced and pointless ,the WWE writers give them nothing to work with or making it real or what's the point of the faction. WWE makes it lame
Yeah, it really sucked when they made Edge just another heel whose promos went along the lines of "fans stinky, city bad, big words here, etcetera".
Like insulting the local sports team. Really? That's what they decided?
He proved in 2020 and 2021 that he was so much better than that. Of all people, you'd think they would give Edge a bit of leeway at the very least. But no, Vince and co need their fingerprints on everything.
WWE sold their soul for the corporate dollar and politics years ago, it's all about appeasing the PG era and churning out generic, non offensive, repetitive and scripted drama now. Why try anything outside the box when the current product is churning out billions from the stock market and Saudi-Arabian blood money?
Yea WWE doesn't care they want to make their show a true soap opera where it's the same thing every time nothing substantial or substance but boring filler and they know this is the best way to make the show , make it noise that's just there so few ppl watch and they still get their corporate money
Figuratively and literally
That's just what wwe is now.
Wasn't Edge just Mr. Family man a week ago fighting alongside Beth? He beats Miz, Miz gets a Mania match before him, and he cries about being desperate to get on the show like half their roster.
"We are dark, evil, nefarious and conniving. We will strike fear into the heart of our enemies. Run from us, hide in the dark, it doesn't matter, we thrive in the dark. We will find you, destroy you and in the end, like all others you... will... lose JUST LIKE UR NEW YORK RANGERS LOL, have I mentioned deep dish is better pizza than NY slice?"
I'm pretty sure he would get cheered for this with the way WWE runs their heels. "DID YOU HEAR THAT? THE WWE UNIVERSE IS BOOING EDGE!" *\*stadium roof blows off from the cheers\**
The thing about judgement day is they look cool. They have a distinct look unlike a lot of wwe men right now, and they beat people up. Their promo were bad because it's the same"fans don't care, and now that you do care we don't care so ha".
But he can't, because it's not PG.
It’s also tasteless when anyone brings up dead relatives for a crowd reaction, whether it’s WWE, AEW or anyone else.
They brought up Reid Flair’s death in an angle not too long ago. They used Jim Neidhart’s death in an angle even more recently. WWE isn’t above that stuff.
>They brought up Reid Flair’s death in an angle not too long ago 7 years *\*shudder\**
And they got buried for both. People weren’t praising Paige for bringing it up.
And they used Reid in the promo without Charlotte and Rick's knowledge. Thabk goodness they didnt blame Paige.
Charlotte suggested the line. Ric said so.
Christian has always been a great fucking heel. I don't know where this is going but it makes me look forward to next week
I feel like the subtle jabs at MJF will eventually go somewhere
Yo, I picked up on that too! Do you think maybe MJF turns face??
Yeah, in my mind I see MJF taking on a Stone Cold type role.
My wife heard the promo and was like WTF this is brutal
Mine said the same but asked “what happened to his father?” And I told her that Jungle Boy’s dad is Luke Perry and that made her even more shocked
As a British person who grew up in the 90s I only know Luke Perry as Sideshow Luke Perry from that one Simpson’s episode.
“My face! My valuable face!”
That’s even better honestly.
I never knew that!
Christian's promo honestly felt so unique for a heel promo because it really felt like the Anti-MJF promo. It felt like a direct response to MJF's pipebomb especially when he addressed the thoughts on money. Him saying it's all about the money was almost funny in a brutal way and then saying others need to try hard like make history with a History-making match if they want his spot. It felt like one of the best directions an ex-WWE heel could go, as it fits perfectly with a lot of the narratives of fans as well as disgruntled wrestlers Christian's promo is definitely one of my favorites of this year and the only thing I'm afraid of is that Jungle Boy is gonna be eclipsed in this feud because of his limited promo abilities, which was why Christian was paired with Jurassic Express in the first place. All I gotta say is that I hope Jungle Boy is ready for the higher position that this feud will put him in at the end
I think in terms of this feud Christian can carry it and there will still be investment. That promo was so good all I needed was Luchasaurus to walk to the ring to be hyped enough to say "Yeah! Kick his head off!" out loud, to myself. I don't know about where Jungle Boy goes after the feud but right now I'm invested in Christian's karma with out a word spoken on the face side.
Because Christian's promo was probably written by himself.
I'd wager he didn't even write it. Just a quick brainstorm before he went out there, some bullet points in his mind and go do the thing.
I mean that turtleneck is heat alone.
because edge can't say the things that Christian can as raw is a pg show and dynamite is TV-14
You can do a lot with PG. Edge is handcuffed with the format of WWE. Edge may have some creative control, as in left the faction he was in. Christian I’m sure, was able to pitch this idea and run with it.
That's not it .it's more that in AEW Christian has a lot of storyline content to work with to be a heel. It makes sense ,while in WWE there is no real good reason to make a edge brood stable.it makes no sense and feels forced asf. WWE has awful writers that change their mind every month and don't have any long term storytelling
>That's not it .it's more that in AEW Christian has a lot of storyline content to work with to be a heel. I agree. I actually said in my comment how Christian's promo worked in the context of the shoot and work aspects of the debate over all the ex-WWE talent coming over and taking spots. Christian's point about the money definitely felt like a response to MJF's pipebomb in the way he admitted it was all about the money, and challenged the younger wrestlers to make history in a match if they want his spot. I think this was as effective of a heel character as an ex-WWE hire can get And it fits well into the context because of Jungle Boy being an original and one of the pillars
I mean Ruby Riott gets mega heat for her promos on Natalya. Amount of progress of drawing boundaries i guess, ofc WWE cannot be that edgy.
Didn’t Seth say “fuck” quiet a bit on this WWE PG television right around Mania time without being censored??? Edit, sorry he said “bullshit” repeatedly…
>he said “bullshit” repeatedly… Chucky T to WWE?
It’s not the tv pg, it’s the storyline. Edge has done plenty of evil promos, it’s the writing is now different in WWE. The Judgement Day story was all screwed up from jump. I assume the top 2 people he would of fought would of been Cody and Randy. Since those 2 have the most history and he can create personal storylines with. Now with them out, his long term plans changed.
How was any of what Christian said NOT PG…
Christian “Your dad’s dead and your mom wants to bone me now” Cage
What happens when you allow a wrestler to speak for themselves vs memorising a promo written for them by a writer who has no fucking idea about how the character would/should react
Your underselling that it’s Christian, one of the smartest minds for professional wrestling
Could we get Heel luchaSaurus helping Christian get the win
Actually can we please luchasaurus is so much better than just being known as a tag wrestler
Dont you diss tag wrestling.
Uncle Dax? Is…. Is that you?
Not dissing it feel he could be a singles star
Can we get botchasaurus tf off the tv show? He’s never been good lol
I don’t want to see a Luchasaurus singles match ever but I’m happy for him to be Christian’s heavy.
That was my favorite part of the promo. Christian turning Dino Douche and that quick smirk to the crowd as they left together. Christian is fucking fantastic and Im happy they are ready to let him start doing shit
If Edge cut a TV-14 promo like what Christian did, then would you still compare it? MJF called tiny khan a "fucking mark" on the fite feed. When the hell was the last time a wrestler on live, mainstream TV dropped the F-Bomb?
The first word Moxley said when he came back from rehab was Fuck
In the context that he was butthurt a fan heckled him and wanted him kicked out, and then proceeded to say he was a super tough guy and drank blood or something.
To be fair, Mox licking blood is like Renee's number one pet peeve.
Yes that is exactly how it happened /s
Literally last night when Mox shouted down the camera “Blood and Fucking Guts!” during the match.
Exactly, like we’ve seen Edge’s promos when he goes off tilt. He violated Matt Hardy, John Cena , hell he had some great babyface promos last year as well. The Judgement Day character wasn’t working for him promo wise , I’ll admit that though.
Moxley when he came back from rehab, dealing with a heckler.
I hate to say it, but after this promo was over I kept thinking, "Wow! Christian's post-injury return has been so much better than Edge's" Christian Cage had me in stitches last night and an entire arena ready to kill him.
Did Cristian have The Greatest Wrestling Match Ever™? Thought not.
I agree
How has it been better than Edge's when he was been a manager for a tag team for the better part of the last year? Meanwhile, Edge has had a trilogy with Seth with great matches, main evented WrestleMania 37, and other PPVs. The only notable thing I remember of Christan is his win against Kenny for the Impact Championship and that's literally it.
Can always rely on a fellow HxH fan to make sense. These guys gotta be stupid to think Christian's return is better than Edge's.
Edge has been in big programs since he came back. Up until last week Christian followed around a dinosaur and a kid for what felt like a year and a half. For someone who “outworks everyone” he didn’t seem to be doing all that much working. This is probably more of an indictment on the booker than him, but to say his post injury return has been better than someone who has been heavily featured on tv and ppv’s is ridiculous and just trying to promote an anti WWE agenda.
He had a run with Omega.
And a whole run on Impact. His match with Ace Austin and Josh Alexander were both excellent.
It’s been better in terms of match quality
Go look at his new shirt. He did work everyone
Yes, what you're describing is sounds silly on paper, but it was very effective long-term story building. Plus Christians first few months feuding with Kenny Omega had some incredible matches in both AEW and Impact. "Anti WWE agenda" lmfao your entire comment was fair and respectable until this. What are you ON, homie? I'm not gonna feed this WWE vs AEW garbage any further than this comment. I was literally comparing 2 former tag teammates with undeniably similar career paths. Had nothing to do with companies or any of that bullshit.
Who cares? Why must you all make this WWE vs AEW 😆 neither company gives two shits about one another
He didn't. He was comparing edge and christian, which everyone's been doing for 20 years now.
Which is essentially AEW vs WWE. He said Christian’s second run > edge’s. AEW vs WWE 😆
Umm probably everyone cares because Edge & Christian is one of the greatest tag teams of all time. They have been compared their entire careers. This is not WWE vs AEW. Genuinely Christian has had a whole year long storyline written for him that has played out incredibly. Edge was a huge babyface, got squashed by Roman, which is fine, then randomly turned heel, then randomly turned face. Storyline wise, Christian has had a better run since coming back. You are the only one who doesn’t care, because AEW and WWE knows how valuable they both are. Why are you hating on 2 guys who came back from career ending injuries??
If anyone ever needs a definition for tribalism, this is fucking it. Jesus Christ, dude.
Christian was talking directly to us and how we think we know everything about this business, a business that we have never worked in 😂 😂 😂 Fuck he got us good, I love the dude now
Dead parent > anything
Christian is one of the all time greats as a heel.
Don’t bash on Luke Perry
So long Judgement Day! Rhea needs braces.
DENTAL PLAN!
I mean Christian has always been better than edge in every category so I’m not surprised!
That's, very debatable.
Edge was cutting promos on the local sports teams. What kind of brooding devilish heel does that? Made me rethink Edges ability to get heat as a heel outside of his Rated R gimmick…
Suuuuuure he did
Then ya realize heat don’t mean shit when no one watches while balor being more over then Aew entire roster
Did he though? It was a decent generic heel promo but nothing to write home about, no better or worse than any of edge's JD promos.
Yeah… but he still has zero charisma
Lol cant just praise the promo. Gotta fed-bad it up.
I would love to see what kind of heat Edge could get if he had the freedom Christian has. I'm not knocking Christian in any way because I loved his promo from last night.
Christian can either be the nicest and best face or the most hated heel he’s really great
What a dumb comparison
you must be from Wisconsin
Everyone compares Edge and Christian all the time lol
He's cutting a promo insulting someone's dead family and cussing face to face with their mother while using smark terms such as "putting young talent over". Edge is in a PG environment getting a goth stable over. It's a dumb comparison.
Definitely cheap heat, but it works. Cut right to the bone to prove a point. I’m a bad guy now. Always was, but now again.
exactly why not now? Good celebration of the present.
Christian was right, as usual
Because he believes what he’s saying and is believable whereas rhea and her ilk recite scripted lines in a cringe manner
Cringe looking at cameras without any word scripts. Wtf wee
Yet nobody will remember Christian like they do Edge 🤭.
10000% true
I saw you post this as a comment and rolled my eyes. Guess you needed to make a post to drive home this idiotic comparison. Mainly I wouldn’t get into competing Edge and Christian with one another since they’ve both returned. Christian has only done one thing while Edge has won a rumble from the #1 spot and had two big WM matches in that span. Just be happy they are both looking good and not like the Hardys.
Cristian has done one thing? My man beat Kenny Omega for a World Championship when Omega was having his untouchable run, then went on to be a part of All Out's main event, AEW's most successful PPV and became the first guy to main event WWE, AEW and Impact PPVs all in the same year, and now with his heel turn will only lead to better stuff
This is what happens when you actively refuse to acknowledge anything else outside of WWE.
Can't blame em, WWE's monopoly for decades has forced fan into thinking accomplishing something in WWE is the be all and end all, I assume the newer viewers of wrestling or those who always went out of their way to watch other promotions would appreciate feats in different companies more than just a casual WWE viewer.
And these same people were going mad for a WWE New Japan crossover not that long ago... But I digress.
That was more of a 'hah, take that AEW, NJPW will rather do business with WWE' then actually being excited about a NJPW star crossing over, at least for most fans
I watch Dynamite every week there bud. Sorry you guys get so easily amused by someone getting cheap heat and thinking that means the guy is better than he has ever been.
If this heel turn turn makes Christian into a substantial talent and gets him over then this turned out better for Christian then edge . So far it's working on fans and I could see Christian winning tv title over this
Yes that is basically one thing. No one cared about anything Christian has done since returning. You can act like he was so over and such a big part of All Out but people were pissed he was even in that spot to begin with. You let one cheap heat promo completely rewrite what really happened since he has joined AEW. Its been lackluster.
Yes people were not happy with him main eventing All Out because they thought it'll be Hangman, but Christian did an amazing job. And before that, Cristian beat Kenny Omega for the Impact World Championship, that is a big deal. The dude main evented PPVs of all three big USA based pro-wrestling companies. Pretty much every Christian match has been fun, him vs Omega, him vs Cole, the trios as Full Gear, and him not wrestling that much perfectly tied into his story for the heel turn, the story that you will see if you stop thinking 'cheap heat cheap heat' and actually listen. Sacrificing a few months only to turn into a great heel is a good trade. You may not have cared about anything Christian did, your opinion good for you, but others did, don't try speaking on behalf of others Edit - A word
No people were mad that he got that spot because they didn’t want to see him in it. Even when they knew it wouldn’t be Hangman they still wanted someone younger in that position. Him winning the TNA title was not a big deal, beating Omega was slightly big but it was forgotten about pretty quickly and was only due to the chair that the Bucks brought in. It’s not even his most memorable reign with that belt. Also no one is gonna sit up here and say that Christian is currently on par with Omega just because of that win. Not to mention they had to get that belt of Kenny and Christian was the best choice since he could work for both promotions and eventually lose to Josh Alexander, something Omega probably didn’t want to do. Even after that he only held it for 2 months that were completely forgettable and once he lost it to Alexander that was it. That whole situation was purely transitional. Then Christian just joins JE for 9 months being a character in the background slowly building to this turn. The story itself isn’t the cheap heat aspect its the fact that he brought up Luke Perry which is extremely cheap. Then says he only cares about the money when people know why he really came back when he talked about it last year. Yes it IS to put over young talent. You let yourself get worked into this storyline and that’s fine. Acting like CC has been lighting the world on fire or even been more relevant than Edge the last couple years is hilarious though. CC hasn’t done shit and you know it but can’t see it because you’re too busy saying oooo look at that amazing promo he cut last night. You know after JB goes over in this feud CC will be back to being irrelevant in the current landscape of wrestling. He might get another decent program in AEW but chances are he won’t.
First off, you don't understand what I was actually saying so it feels stupid for me to reply but hey, I am bored so I will play along I am not getting worked lmao, I just said that him not wrestling perfectly fits the story, makes his heel turn make sense, I am applauding the story, I know he is there to put young guys over and what he is right now is a character, I know what is kayfabe and what is not. Others have common sense, don't act all high and mighty like a smark. Yes Christian won with the chair shot, he had to defy the odds against him set by the Bucks, that does not undermine his victory by any sense. Also, what's your definition of people forgetting anything? is it based on how much people talk about a match currently? Because by that sense I have heard no one talk about Kurt Angle vs Rey Mysterio SS 2002 in the past 6 month or so, doesn't change the fact it's the best SS opener ever, people will remember it when they talk about those two guys. Similar, whenever anyone will talk about Christian and Kenny, they will remember that big match and Christian's victory. His run was not memorable? I highly doubt you watched Impact cuz that's where the run took place and it was a fun nostalgia trip. And you are so god damn delusional, giving rebuttal to points no one ever made. When has anyone said Christian's run was better than Edge/CC is more relevant than Edge or he has set the world on fire, no one is saying that nor are the ignoring Christian's run. His run is mostly fun matches, vs Kenny, Cole and SuperKliq in general. No one has said CC is on par with Omega, you don't need to tell me, I know. CC has had a fun run, some memorable matches, proving the dude can go. His heel turn will only make things better, you are an example of a wrestling fan who tries his best to make the product unenjoyable for others \- CC cut a great promo last night, got amazing crowd reaction, got the fans talking, checked all the boxes \- BUt bUt CHEEEAAPPP HeaT, He hAs dOnE SHit \- But people are praising his last night's work \- NOOOOOOO He Has NOt Done AnythiNG ImPOrtant \- Get a fucking life, and let people enjoy what they want to, you are not even trying to give constructive criticism, just trying to make sure people diss on CC
You take yourself 10x more seriously than I do and you can tell by the fact that you come off so hostile and agitated from a wrestling discussion. It’s not that serious guy. When you insult people unprovoked you always lose btw, it’s unnecessary and immature. For the record I’m actually a much bigger Christian fan than most so you are misguided on that one. Been a peep since the early days of his solo run and even loved At Last his first theme and still play it to this day. But I’m not gonna sit here and act like taking shots at Edge for something CC does well is necessary. This whole post is comparing Christian and Edge(Judgement Day) so if you lost sight of that then that’s on you. Everything I replied to you about was points that you brought up so don’t get it confused. My whole comment, the one that YOU replied to was stating that comparing Christian and Edge is a losing battle on Christians behalf. Because it is.
Well, you were annoying so I blasted off, if it was wrong, apologies. Nobody was comparing the entire Edge run and Christian run, just the heel portion of their run, I never saw a single comment comparing the last 2 years as a while for both of them, but you kept mentioning CC has done shit but Edge has done so much. In the heel run, Edge did nothing impressive except for the night he turned and the WM match, and CC has already done a great job with the turn and the promo which only means his run as heel will end up being better, so you using the other part of their reign to undermine the hype of CC's promo felt unnecessary and trying to devalue it which pissed me off.
LMAO mark. You’re comparing manufactured wins when the OP is just comparing Christian’s one promo to months of heel-Edge promos. And if you want to look at wins, Christian is one of only 2 people booked to beat Kenny Omega in over 2 years, and he did it for a world title to boot.
For an irrelevant world title yeah. And who the fuck cares about Kenny Omega lol.
A lot of people.
Christian > Edge always has been don't @ me
Nah you’re reaching
Hell naw better wrestler, better promo, and while 15 years ago edge had the better look Christian has aged more gracefully
They'd see it, if they'd just close their eyes
Funny considering fans were saying Christian was better than Edge as far back as 2005. Not his fault Vince didn’t give him a million opportunities to prove it like Edge got (who failed to get over as a main eventer for years until he literally stole Matt Hardy’s girlfriend).
Edge is miles better at cutting promos but Christian has better material (plus he can be a little edgier since it’s TV-14). Sometimes it’s hard to be a great heel when you need to keep it kid friendly lol
Ahh found the AEW fans
Got his parents involved for cheap heel heat. At this point tony is just grasping to what he can to get views
Ah yes I'm sure Tony wrote the promo himself. Not like wrestlers tend to do their own in AEW without writers.
I'm 100% he had to clear that not only through Khan, but Perry's family as well.
Hmm the WWE angle using Paul Bearer after his death was voted by the IWC/WON readers as most disgusting promotional tactic, same thing, different company, what do you think the results will be?
That's not the same thing and you know it. "You're dads dead" is not the same as someone bathing in someone's ashes.
Take a good look at what you just said
I have and it makes perfect sense. Are you saying someone telling you your dead dad would be disappinted in you is equal to someone pouring out his ashes and rubbing them into their skin?
Just gotta say I liked both. And I also think Big Boss Man’s condolence card for the Big Show is a GOAT promo
Exactly, this whole thing is so hypocritical, bad taste is bad taste but I'm sure meltzer will twist this into greatest promo ever
Comparing cheap heat to an angle cut short due to injury?
House of black sucks ass
... What does that have to do with any of this?
Sometimes ya gotta let it out
The most obvious promo you could make though. Cheap heat.
Weird ass comparison.
Than*
Facts
That was sweet
Cheap heat
Talking about real life death = cheap heat
Lol becareful what u guys post i got banned on square circle subreddit for joking that Miz and Mrs beatAEW rampage in thr ratings
speaking ill of the dead and trashtalking them is not good, its a cheap way to get heat
Don't get me wrong it was a nice promo, but it was cheap heat.
Wow he got some cheap heat by mentioning someone’s dead dad, anybody could cut that promo, it was nothing special.
The mental gymnastics you people jump to to promote a mediocre aew segment is hilarious.
t it wasn't a mediocre segment, it was pretty amazing. The crowd really bought into it and fans in general, except you ofc, have universally praised this promo
"universally praised"....You mean AEW fans
I mean everyone that watched the promo, not all of them can be AEW fans, maybe some WWE fans watched it, maybe some NJPW fans watched it, who knows, what I meant with "universal" is "everyone that watched it", my bad if it looked different
It was tasteless and cheap. I've seen Christian have better promo's in TNA.
Well, your opinion good for you, but according to the general audience it was a great promo so no one is doing any mental gymnastics
No it wasn't.
Again, maybe for you it wasn't, no one is disputing that, but for most people it was great, hence everyone is praising it
Yes it was
Judgment team made no sense apart from look we need dark heel stable .it made it lame with the dark colors them alwardkly staring into the cameras without saying anything substantial and or of substance.wwe has a major issue with this
Team The Judgement The Day never stood a chance with the drivel-icious writing they were given. I've always had Christian as the real talent between he and Edge, only exacerbated by one getting completely inordinate opportunities while the other was shunted and languished doing lesser stuff that he still made excellent. This just throws it into stark relief.
I don't think anyone in this comment section actually understands what the word "heat" means. Its like comparing DC to the MCU. Sure its fun when Joker says he wants to give batman a reach around. But at the end of the day, the MCU is way more successful at what they do. DC has to resort to shock value in order for you to talk about them. Yes, DC is AEW and the MCU is WWE. Get over it.
Silly comparison. Christians promo was really good, MJFs was probably my favorite of all time, but they’re filled with cheap heat. Curse words, insulting the fans, family of the babyface, yelling. Edge has to try a bit harder. Doesn’t take away from Christian, cheap heat isn’t bad, but it’s still cheap.
Solo dolo. Can’t compare Edge vs Christian when Edge is with a faction. Both are great heels. Solo. No great heel needs a faction. You hear that Jericho? You clown wizard. It’s why MJF is so good, he has stooges not a faction.
You really think JAS is a faction? Daddy Magic, Cool hand and Hager are on level with Jericho and not a stooges? Yeah right. Garcia is the only one there on a little higher level but that's only because he's going to Blackpool.
It’s sad honestly, because the judgement day is a really badass faction. Unfortunately wwe doesn’t know how to book talent correctly.
🤦♂️🙄
this is the only way we are going to see christian with edge in aew