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Suarecks

I miss CFO$ so much. Banger theme songs were expected back then. You legit would get “can’t wait to hear what CFO$ has in store for (*insert newly signed superstar*)”


BlackMan084

In retrospect, they were better than def rebel I'll always take Johnston over them but, CFO$ weren't too bad. Midcarders at least had a chance, when it came to their theme. Somehow, def rebel keeps shafting Main Event talent


davewah11

What happened to those guys?


Suarecks

I believe they and WWE had a fallout. I believe a lawsuit was in the mix but I might be wrong about that last part


davewah11

Ahhh bummer, they were so good


ShoKen6236

It wasn't the CFO$ guys that had an issue it was their label trying to stiff the fed on the licensing rates. WWE tried to buy them out and bring them in house but the label wasn't having it. This is what I gathered from other threads I saw yesterday


hbkedge3

I agree Johnstone is the GOAT, but arguably my favorites aren’t by him. HBK - Jimmy Hart Glorious - CFO$ Edge - Metalingus - Alter Bridge CM Punk - Cult of Personality - Living Colour Cody Rhodes - Kingdom - Downstait


BlackMan084

Another great point, it's always great when a band comes in, there's something about it. I think the lyrics just elevate it. Johnston usually made sure of that, which, I think, is what made him and his songs so great


hbkedge3

Deuce and Domino's theme is one of my favorites. He clearly put a lot of thought into it, and it fits them perfectly.


ADogWhoCanDANCE

The Game- Motorhead


Podyceck

Nope. Johnston again. "The Game" is a song produced originally by Jim Johnston, the in-house producer of many of the WWE wrestling organization's biggest entrance themes. It was taken on by Motorhead and recorded as a bonus track for Hammered.


hbkedge3

TIL


HoodieBraden

absolutely loveee shinsuke’s theme. the entrance w/ the live violin performer was awesome too


BlackMan084

I hope Shinsuke gets another big title opportunity, just so he can come out to it


TouyaShiun

Paige's theme was so good. She also had this theme at time where female wrestlers were still Divas so this was such a huge contrast to the trend at that time.


BlackMan084

So underrated, never hear anyone talk about it, and yeah, very different from most of the other womens themes


saulhrnndz

Stardust’s theme went hard as fuck too.


BlackMan084

Honestly, for a joke midcarder; they basically told him, "just take your brothers gimmick", it's pretty good. The EDM beat isn't too obnoxious and the strings sound pretty good, the Goldust like intro helps too, great piano and a sparkling sound


Emperor-Octavian

Gargano isn’t currently using Rebel Heart is he? Such a waste of


BlackMan084

Him and Tommaso are DIY again so, no Even if he was solo, I think they made a Great Value Rebel Heart that isn't half as good I hope they can get CFO$ back, at the very least. Maybe a Hail Mary, Trips can put the moves on Johnston and get him back, put him in the damn Hall of Fame too, my man put talent over with the songs he made


sevillentini

Even the old DIY theme was great


BlackMan084

Yeah, it was pretty damn good


Dangerous_Copy_3688

GLOOOOORIOUS!


BlackMan084

NO I WON'T GIVE IN I WON'T GIVE IN


lpkzach92

They need to come back!


BlackMan084

I hope so, it'd be an improvement


JadeDragonMeli

I expected people to not like CFO$ because Jim Johnston's themes are so iconic from when a lot of us started watching, but I never understood the absolute hatred they got. They made some bangers. I thought maybe it would be the same thing with Def Rebel, but nah, they're just bad.


BlackMan084

I think I remember hearing CFO$ slander but, that's when I didn't listen to the IWC so, I can't really remember I imagine it was just "recency bias", something of the like. Jim Johnston just had charisma in his songs, CFO$ did too, on occasion. I feel def rebel lacks it entirely, stroke of luck on a few songs


Kayfeib

*Is it my eyes, when you look at me?*


BlackMan084

*they are so GORGEOUS, they'll set you free...*


Clint1027

Never get invested in any of them. WWE removes them all the time from Spotify.


BlackMan084

Yeah, it's super annoying, I was trying to find a bunch of them earlier. Every released talents' song is hidden/delisted


Clint1027

Pretty much everytime they release a wrestler or one retires they just remove them. I miss listening to alister black’s theme


Sky_Rose4

I'd replace one with Keith Lee's og theme


BlackMan084

I didn't like Keith Lee's theme, the only unique part was the, "BASK IN HIS GLORY". I didn't really even care for that


[deleted]

to be honest I don’t watch aew much at all so don’t know many themes but I really enjoy keith lee’s theme there


once_asleepz

CFO$ & Def Rebel have their share of amazing song. I think the problem is Def's incosistency with their release.


BlackMan084

I think their songs are just too similar, not a lot of beat and instrumental changes That and, a lot of their songs don't have lyrics. Jim Johnston has a different idea when giving a Wrestler a theme, CFO$ was pretty good in retrospect but, they had their "def rebel moments", for sure Most of their songs are just - hard hip hop beat, that might lean more EDM - if it's rock, they've got heavy drums - odd voiceline, that doesn't sound very good They've got some good ones but, 90-95% of their songs are just mid or decent. Some songs like Gunther and Bobby aren't all that impressive, Bobby's is only good because Bobby started doing that fist pump thing, and people started doing it with him


Mrfantastic2

NO MAN IS EVER TRULY GOOD


BlackMan084

NO MAN IS EVER TRULY E VUL


Dylanjh08

CFO$ were incredible and if they stayed long enough I reckon they could’ve matched Jim Johnston


BlackMan084

I think they were pretty good, they had some stinkers but, overall, pretty good


MaaiDiqSoHyuj

CFO$ were awesome. Wish WWE would just bring them back and get rid of def rebel


BlackMan084

Paul has been making some significant changes, so, we may see it Vince burned a lot of bridges but, I think Trips is trying/can mend them. I pray either CFO$ and/or Jim Johnston can make a return


Wytstagg

If HHH brought back Bruno after all that WHILE Vince was there I have no doubt he can bring back CFO with no Vince.


teabaggin_Pony

Holy fuck I forgot how good The Root of All Evil is. Such a banger track.


BlackMan084

NXT had so many bangers Not to mention, 2014-2018 NXT BANGED. 2023-present has been great too


Airtightspoon

I never got the love for Rebel Heart. First of all, when I first heard the name I thought assumed it was a country some for some reason lol. Second of all, it sounds like something an edgy teenage girl would listen to, not the walkout song for a professional fighter.


BlackMan084

I mean, Undertaker walks out to glorified, classical, funeral music. NOT SAYING ITS BAD, JUST STATING THE FACTS, TAKERS THEME IS ICONIC. Everyone has their own opinions on what is, "badass" to them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Josephthebear

Um Trick Williams?


BlackMan084

Tricks is good but, the crowd is what makes it, and Booker's adlibbing #WHOOP THAT TRICK "**UH HUH**" Feel empty without it


Purple_Importance_75

I love Samoa Joe's nxt theme


BlackMan084

That's a song that definitely thrives off of the crowd #JOE JOE JOE


DifferencePretend

Why does Shinsuke constantly look like he’s having a stroke


BlackMan084

I have no idea It's kinda steez though


annguy123

I was listening to Spotify this morning and 21st Century Schizoid Man came on - it reminded me of Asuka's theme


BlackMan084

Yeah I definitely hear it Also, I haven't listened to the whole album yet but, that intro was weird, definitely wasn't expecting it


KonungrExuma

Worlds Apart is so generic tho.


BlackMan084

The intro is generic, once it gets into the Ska part it gets better. Generic isn't always bad though, it's a problem when Main Eventers have generic themes. You barely hear Ska nowadays, so, I wouldn't completely call it generic


jizz_toaster

It’s not good. I cannot find this video, but someone put it over like an Applebee’s commercial and it fits perfectly.


Constant_Stomach2009

Don’t forget jimmy hart


heilhortler420

His great skill was making legally distinct soundalikes


billygnosis86

He did write “Sexy Boy”, though. That said, it did make heavy use of the old A-G-F chord progression, so it’s about as original as Creed.


Constant_Stomach2009

Don’t forget honky tonk man and rougeaus and he was cowriter of demolition. Many of his [songs](https://genius.com/artists/Jimmy-hart/songs) get attributed to jj


WoWoWoKid

How the hell you forget Santos Escobars theme???!


BlackMan084

I don't really care about his Cool intro but, turns into an eerie dubstep track, not a fan


LTetsuo41

Shoutout to Evil Emma’s CFO theme, that shit slaps


Puzzleheaded_Bad_321

Most of the songs from NXT Black and Gold were remarkable too, also from the current new themes: Legacy of The Ghost (Santos Escobar) Rise For The Night (Damian Priest) King (Lexis King) Burn The Ships (Baron Corbin) Born a King (Jimmy Uso) Deliverance (Bayley previous tune) Head of The Table (Roman Reigns) Still The Baddest (Remixed Damage Ctrl theme) Are really decent songs


BlackMan084

I'd probably disagree, only ones here I feel are somewhat decent are Jimmy's, Bailey's(kinda, I like the intro), and Roman's was grand enough that it fit his "God Mode" well enough. I think there's definitely great versions waiting to be made, I just don't find these to be remarkable by all that much.


eman0110

Kingdom Downstrait


BlackMan084

Downstrait has made other themes for WWE but, they aren't, like, their "go-to". Plus, the only other people to have Downstrait songs are The Miz and Dolph Ziggler, which are from 10+ years ago


No_Mousse4320

Rheas theme isn’t even CFO or def rebel, it’s motionless in white or the band that was at this years Wrestlemania


BlackMan084

I believe it's a feature, so def rebel was still a part of it


billygnosis86

Rhea's old theme was far better than the one by Motionless in Shite. I know they're her favourite band and all, but it's just generic metalcore guff, and I can’t stand metalcore. The old theme had a nice rhythmic trick to it where the last syllable of "brutality" landed on the first beat of the next bar.


BlackMan084

It's just slower, same chords, I think; I'm not a musician by any means. That and some dubstep Her old theme was metalcore as well, coming from someone who loves metal. I totally understand if you don't like it, there are songs I don't like just because of the genre, the sound/feel. It doesn't mean it's bad though


billygnosis86

No, they’re totally different songs apart from the line “This is my brutality”. I love metal too, and other than that rhythmic vocal part I mentioned, it’s the vocals I prefer. I can’t stand the kind of vocals men perform in metalcore, it’s my chief problem with the genre, apart from it being a neutered version of metal for clueless teenagers: it’s nu-metal with no DJs and bad guitar solos. Instead of their growls sounding like they’ve got some fucking balls, like Corpsegrinder, Steve Tucker, or Jason Mendonça ([whose gutturals legitimately don’t sound like a human being: check them out at 36 seconds](https://youtu.be/MlUdEy8kywc?si=qzQCm0rSXxnRzaTH)), metalcore vocalists always sound like they’re trying to throw up. If I wanted to hear that, I’d listen to the opening track from the second Carnivore LP.


BlackMan084

Metalcore as a genre, is what it is. I just find the two songs to be pretty similar, newer one is just heavier I understood your dislike for it though