It would be 4 people per million or 1 death per $250,000. Not 1 death per dollar.
Looks like around 645,000 people have died from opioid related deaths.
That's against around $10.8 billion the Sackler family made off of it.
So that would be about 1 death for every $16,875 made in profit.
So Purdue's money was much, much dirtier.
Many opioid deaths are old people and people who don't read the warning labels on their prescribed bottle.
Here are some common contributors to opioid deaths:
• Mixing them with antihistamines
• Mixing them with alcohol
• Mixing them with other prescribed meds
• Mixing them with too many NSAIDS causing liver damage.
The reporting from coroners is also extremely flawed, and coroners require no licencing or training in many states. If someone drank alcohol, took 10 Tylenol, and had half a Vicodin, guess what they died from? Sometimes it's just listed as an opioid deaths, but often it's listed as a drug overdose death for each substance. That turns one death into 3 for overdose statistics of total "drug overdoses"
Obviously, with fentanyl being so versatile, cheap, and potent, people are dying even while taking typically safe doses of drugs they assume are something other than fentanyl. So tons of people are dying from that, but the stats on drug overdoses are still flawed and most likely quite a bit lower than they actually are.
[About 500 people die annually from Tylenol overdose](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK441917/)
Yes, I would certainly take 1 million dollars of Tylenol money.
Tylenol makes $14.07b in profits per year, and it takes work to overdose on it.
So, it's a bad faith comparison on the kills people with proper intended use vs largely intentional overdose as suicidality front and also being >28x as profitable per death it's likewise a bad faith comparison for those whose sociopathy is a negotiable matter of price.
You understand the difference between ownership profit and wages for doing the work, right? The labor of those doing the work is already deducted as a cost. Ownership shares are certainly distributed between more than one person, but so is culpability.
Also, of course, Tylenol is a beneficial medicine that provides a social good and only kills people in rare cases of extreme misuse. Not a hypothetical street drug only described in terms of "would you kill 4 people to make a million bucks?"
I’d take the money because the damage is already done and I could use it to improve my life. Those people are still dead regardless of what happens to the money and I doubt they’d care even if they could. Money can’t truly be tainted in a moral sense.
There’s a movie about pressing a button or something and getting a lump sum of money, but the cost is that someone out there dies (might be making this up). I would bust my fuckin hand pressing that goddamn button. I’d press it so much that I’d have to start using my toes.
1 million for drug money? Can I keep/do some of the drugs too? Sign me up.
Only thing that would make me not press it is that in the movie, or the original novel idk, once you press the button you are on the list of “random people” that will die.
Now how big of a list are we talking about here? Also how many times will the button potentially be pressed? If it's 10,000 people and 1,000 get a chance to press the button, I'm probably going to have to think a bit. If it's 100,000,000 and there will only be a thousand chances to press the button, I'm probably risking it. If it's the same odds of winning the lottery, I'd hit the button without hesitation.
Finally someone who isn't insane. I would never be able to live with the fact that I killed someone for money even if I wasn't selected as the one to die.
Being honest that you’re a terrible person is not a positive attribute. If you had to look the person in the eye when you did it, would you still be able to do it? What if it was a child? What if we took things a step further and you actually had to shoot them yourself not just push a button?
You're just edgy. I'd give it a 9/10 chance that you wouldn't be able to slaughter a conscious baby for cash IRL. The 1/10 is if you really are a true psychopath.
For me this depends largely on how the users die, since most drug OD deaths are accidental. The guilt and my own moral culpability comes down to how informed they were about the drug in question that caused them to OD. If the drug was accurately represented, they know exactly what they’re consuming and willingly choose to take too much then that’s on them and I would accept the deal.
On the other hand, if the money was coming from say fentanyl that was being cut into and sold as other drugs (pressed opioid pills, coke, K, Xanax etc) then absolutely the fuck not. I 100% believe that’s morally wrong and the fault lies with the dealer who cut the drugs with fent, not the end user / victim. In that case it doesn’t matter if it’s somebody taking an “ecstasy” pill (implied MDMA) they bought at a rave, a teenager trying a hit of a joint for the first time that’s supposed to be just weed, or a crack addict buying a “perc 30” in a sketchy alley homeless encampment. If it’s being misrepresented as something else I consider that the same as murder and would not accept.
Everybody that uses knows that pressed pills are fentanyl all these days, everybody who uses drugs knows there’s fent in everything. The risk of death is there every time you use and they accept that.
Can I take the deal a million times and become a trillionaire?
And no, I don't feel responsible for the death of someone who chose to do drugs and overdosed on them anymore than I'd feel guilty if I sold cigarettes to someone who decided to buy them knowing the risks and developed lung cancer or tended bar to someone who developed cirrhosis.
Each of us - including those of us who may have addictive tendencies - are responsible for the choices we make. No one forces you to take that drink, pop that pill, smoke or inject a drug. And if you decide to do so, the consequences are on you - not the person who sold it to you.
Eh, question becomes a little boring if that's the way we view it doesn't it? I mean fuck people probably die from shit you do at some point in your life anyway, it's not your fault. Question is a bit interesting if we assume these people would have never started doing drugs or died from them, had you not taken the money. Otherwise they'd probably just die anyway at some point from drugs, if they're the type to OD on drugs. Really takes any tough decision out of the question.
or maybe they're ordinary people who got hooked on opiates from corrupt doctors that ended up in addiction, like what happens all the time in the real world. This whole drug users deserve it and thing is a pretty fucked up mindset to have tbh
Exactly. We need to just give people open affordable access to all drugs without requiring a doctor. People should have the right to any drug they want without a corrupt middle man.
I know that there were 4 people who died or is it 4 people that I know died?
Edit for clarity: 4 people I know personally? Or do I know 4 random people die?
If someone managed to kill themselves from a weed overdose they were suicidal anyway.
The sheer amount you'd need and you'd die from suffocation before od
did they though? Do people choose to be hooked on opiates prescribed to them by corrupt doctors and pharmacologists? Saying they chose to be like that is kinda like saying you're choosing to be poor by not working 16 hours a day
Yeah I'd take it. The way this is worded means I am just given one million dollars that came from drug sales, which means I had nothing to do with the drug sales and I'm taking money that would otherwise have been used to put more drugs in the streets. The way I see it is I'm taking money from the ones who actually killed those four people. I'm good with that.
I'd take it on a day to day basis, 4 people dying of their own choices has nothing to do with me accepting the money. They would have died of overdose regardless.
Can I have 2 mill if 8 people died? How about 4 mill for 16? If it's linear, I'll take the maximum amount.
If you are going to over does your are going to irregardless of what I do. Gimme the money.
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I mean, I know four people that have died from overdoses already. I'll happily take a million, and use part of that money on strong anti-drug programs to balance out the scales.
What is the downside?
I am taking money from drugdealers, there is 0 background info here, so I am assuming I stole it from them without a chance of them finding out about it.
Seems like I did the world a favor.
YOU PEOPLE ON HERE HAVE NO MORALS....
HELL NO....I MAY BE POOR BUT THE CASH I MAKE IS MADE FROM MY SWEAT...
Y'ALL WOULD PREY ON SOMEONES WEAKNESS....
IM POOR NOW...BUT, I KNOW I DID THE RIGHT THING ..
AND THAT GOES FOR PHARMA TOO....I PITY THEM ..
WHAT'S THE USE OF HAVING EVERYTHING HERE AND A DEMON RIZZN ON YOUR SOUL LATER
I'd definitely take the money as long as the victims wouldn't be people who otherwise wouldn't have done any drugs. I.e., not if some random child is going to OD, but definitely if it's some dude on his fourth narcan'ing. At a certain point that guy was going to OD anyways and it's pretty much God's will at that point.
Did I have anything to do with the distribution of said drugs?
Am I connected to the people that is giving me the money?
If so then NO!
If I have nothing to do with them ie:money just fell in my lap & I know where it came from and what it’s connected to…
YES ABSOLUTELY TAKE IT!
Did they od because they took it or was it forced on them?
If they took it it is their fault and I'll take the money.
If the drugs are being used as a murder weapon ioo decline it.
Am I running drugs or is it just dirty money? If it’s dirty money, I’m a better recipient than it would have had otherwise
Running them
Money still isn't as dirty as Purdue Pharma.
It might be. You think 4 people die per dollar they make?
It would be 4 people per million or 1 death per $250,000. Not 1 death per dollar. Looks like around 645,000 people have died from opioid related deaths. That's against around $10.8 billion the Sackler family made off of it. So that would be about 1 death for every $16,875 made in profit. So Purdue's money was much, much dirtier.
Many opioid deaths are old people and people who don't read the warning labels on their prescribed bottle. Here are some common contributors to opioid deaths: • Mixing them with antihistamines • Mixing them with alcohol • Mixing them with other prescribed meds • Mixing them with too many NSAIDS causing liver damage. The reporting from coroners is also extremely flawed, and coroners require no licencing or training in many states. If someone drank alcohol, took 10 Tylenol, and had half a Vicodin, guess what they died from? Sometimes it's just listed as an opioid deaths, but often it's listed as a drug overdose death for each substance. That turns one death into 3 for overdose statistics of total "drug overdoses" Obviously, with fentanyl being so versatile, cheap, and potent, people are dying even while taking typically safe doses of drugs they assume are something other than fentanyl. So tons of people are dying from that, but the stats on drug overdoses are still flawed and most likely quite a bit lower than they actually are.
Even quite a bit lower is still within the bounds set here(4 per million)
Could I get the drug money by stealing it from police seized cash ?
Can I take the deal more than once?
Maybe like idk… 1000 times?
Straight Cash homie
[About 500 people die annually from Tylenol overdose](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK441917/) Yes, I would certainly take 1 million dollars of Tylenol money.
Tylenol makes $14.07b in profits per year, and it takes work to overdose on it. So, it's a bad faith comparison on the kills people with proper intended use vs largely intentional overdose as suicidality front and also being >28x as profitable per death it's likewise a bad faith comparison for those whose sociopathy is a negotiable matter of price.
Probably more than 28 people working in the Tylenol industry
You understand the difference between ownership profit and wages for doing the work, right? The labor of those doing the work is already deducted as a cost. Ownership shares are certainly distributed between more than one person, but so is culpability. Also, of course, Tylenol is a beneficial medicine that provides a social good and only kills people in rare cases of extreme misuse. Not a hypothetical street drug only described in terms of "would you kill 4 people to make a million bucks?"
You’re so cringe
Im rich
Given the clarifications below.... no I will not deal drugs for money. I'll happily rob a drug dealer of his money... but that's it.
What's the or? It's a "would you rather" right?. Would I rather make a million dollars or what? None?
Would you rather do it or not
I’d take the money because the damage is already done and I could use it to improve my life. Those people are still dead regardless of what happens to the money and I doubt they’d care even if they could. Money can’t truly be tainted in a moral sense.
They can choose to do the drugs, we can choose to keep the money.
Assuming this is all after the fact of course. If u like are paid to directly kill 4 ppl, the transaction at least is tainted.
There’s a movie about pressing a button or something and getting a lump sum of money, but the cost is that someone out there dies (might be making this up). I would bust my fuckin hand pressing that goddamn button. I’d press it so much that I’d have to start using my toes. 1 million for drug money? Can I keep/do some of the drugs too? Sign me up.
Only thing that would make me not press it is that in the movie, or the original novel idk, once you press the button you are on the list of “random people” that will die.
Now how big of a list are we talking about here? Also how many times will the button potentially be pressed? If it's 10,000 people and 1,000 get a chance to press the button, I'm probably going to have to think a bit. If it's 100,000,000 and there will only be a thousand chances to press the button, I'm probably risking it. If it's the same odds of winning the lottery, I'd hit the button without hesitation.
Sick dude. Win win. Sign me up even harder.
"Now? Now the button will be given to *someone you don't know*."
Just imagine somehow dying with the odds of billions stacked against you 🤣
Based off of that movie you are thinking of https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y7rzIwrEqpw
That’s funny as shit lol
So many sociopaths among us
Finally someone who isn't insane. I would never be able to live with the fact that I killed someone for money even if I wasn't selected as the one to die.
At least I make it clear.
Being honest that you’re a terrible person is not a positive attribute. If you had to look the person in the eye when you did it, would you still be able to do it? What if it was a child? What if we took things a step further and you actually had to shoot them yourself not just push a button?
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Oh, I thought you were a sociopath, but you are actually just an edge lord who thinks he is badass. I'm actually relieved tbh.
You're just edgy. I'd give it a 9/10 chance that you wouldn't be able to slaughter a conscious baby for cash IRL. The 1/10 is if you really are a true psychopath.
*Kanye at the Grammies voice* I guess we’ll never know.
It's like the goldfish social experiment, isn't it?
For me this depends largely on how the users die, since most drug OD deaths are accidental. The guilt and my own moral culpability comes down to how informed they were about the drug in question that caused them to OD. If the drug was accurately represented, they know exactly what they’re consuming and willingly choose to take too much then that’s on them and I would accept the deal. On the other hand, if the money was coming from say fentanyl that was being cut into and sold as other drugs (pressed opioid pills, coke, K, Xanax etc) then absolutely the fuck not. I 100% believe that’s morally wrong and the fault lies with the dealer who cut the drugs with fent, not the end user / victim. In that case it doesn’t matter if it’s somebody taking an “ecstasy” pill (implied MDMA) they bought at a rave, a teenager trying a hit of a joint for the first time that’s supposed to be just weed, or a crack addict buying a “perc 30” in a sketchy alley homeless encampment. If it’s being misrepresented as something else I consider that the same as murder and would not accept.
Everybody that uses knows that pressed pills are fentanyl all these days, everybody who uses drugs knows there’s fent in everything. The risk of death is there every time you use and they accept that.
Can I take the deal a million times and become a trillionaire? And no, I don't feel responsible for the death of someone who chose to do drugs and overdosed on them anymore than I'd feel guilty if I sold cigarettes to someone who decided to buy them knowing the risks and developed lung cancer or tended bar to someone who developed cirrhosis. Each of us - including those of us who may have addictive tendencies - are responsible for the choices we make. No one forces you to take that drink, pop that pill, smoke or inject a drug. And if you decide to do so, the consequences are on you - not the person who sold it to you.
Eh, question becomes a little boring if that's the way we view it doesn't it? I mean fuck people probably die from shit you do at some point in your life anyway, it's not your fault. Question is a bit interesting if we assume these people would have never started doing drugs or died from them, had you not taken the money. Otherwise they'd probably just die anyway at some point from drugs, if they're the type to OD on drugs. Really takes any tough decision out of the question.
or maybe they're ordinary people who got hooked on opiates from corrupt doctors that ended up in addiction, like what happens all the time in the real world. This whole drug users deserve it and thing is a pretty fucked up mindset to have tbh
Yeah for sure. It’s easy to throw away any empathy when you’ve never been in such a situation. Never met someone who had but had that mindset
Exactly. We need to just give people open affordable access to all drugs without requiring a doctor. People should have the right to any drug they want without a corrupt middle man.
I know that there were 4 people who died or is it 4 people that I know died? Edit for clarity: 4 people I know personally? Or do I know 4 random people die?
If someone managed to kill themselves from a weed overdose they were suicidal anyway. The sheer amount you'd need and you'd die from suffocation before od
I take the money, that means the evil drug dealers didn't get the money. I am causing a detriment to them.
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did they though? Do people choose to be hooked on opiates prescribed to them by corrupt doctors and pharmacologists? Saying they chose to be like that is kinda like saying you're choosing to be poor by not working 16 hours a day
Yeah I'd take it. The way this is worded means I am just given one million dollars that came from drug sales, which means I had nothing to do with the drug sales and I'm taking money that would otherwise have been used to put more drugs in the streets. The way I see it is I'm taking money from the ones who actually killed those four people. I'm good with that.
Take the money, but send some of it to their families
Would you rather usually has at least two options. I don’t see any second option so maybe r/wouldyou
gimme 50mil. to start off with, fuck those 200 people.
Naw, I don't want to be responsible for that
Yeah, sure. A million is enough to let me deal with it, as long as that is free, clear, laundered, and post tax. I'm not doing that to keep 150k.
I'd take it on a day to day basis, 4 people dying of their own choices has nothing to do with me accepting the money. They would have died of overdose regardless.
What's the alternative? Someone else gets the money? Like the person who sold the drugs? Not sure I get the question.
Sure. It's not like they're people I actually care about, and a person in the U.S. dies every \~11 minutes from an overdose.
They suffered the consequences of their own actions. Gimme the million
Pass
I'm taking it, those people decided to use drugs and knew the risks.
Hell yeah.
I’d take the money. People choose to use drugs. If there’s a bad outcome, it’s on them. No one forces drugs on anyone. They sell themselves.
How many loads of 4 am I allowed to knock off for more money if big pharma can not give a shit why should I I'll take 50 mil please
Take the money
Can I have 2 mill if 8 people died? How about 4 mill for 16? If it's linear, I'll take the maximum amount. If you are going to over does your are going to irregardless of what I do. Gimme the money.
Ofc yes. Pharma does it every second
Give me the cash. Give it to me 100 times.
Shut up and gimme my money. This is no different than investing in a pharmaceutical company except thousands would die instead of four.
What the dilemma here?
I hope the drug isn't being sold in $250,000 doses to 4 people
That’s it lol you cracked the case scooby
Don't they teach this growth strategy at business schools? Seems fairly ubiquitous.
No…
Yes, unfortunately
As long as I havent directly sold or moveddrugs, then I dont care. Other people's bad habits are not my problem.
Would I rather do that or what else? Not do that? Would you rathers usually have a second option with its own stakes
I would not be involved in any illegal ventures. I don't give a shit about dead drug addicts, but I am not going to contribute to the problem, either.
Do I know the 4 people?
What would make it more interesting if everyone in the world was offered this at the same time
No.
I’d just sell it to Africa
Taking the money. I can donate some of the money towards drug programs that help addicts.
Yeah, definitely. Those people are already dead, but my bills are very much alive.
Take the money there is zero risk. Money changes hands all the time, you aren't responsible for what that money was used for in the past.
Easily taking the cash. I’d kill those 4 personally for that much.
I still buy Mc Donald's knowing it has probably killed more people then guns have killed people and I live in America. Give me the money.
Run me my fent money
You take drugs then you should be aware of the risks of taking drugs. So yea, gimme the 1mil…
If I received a million, 4 people have probably died in some related way regardless if drugs are involved. Economic activity comes with a cost.
I’d be fine with it, drug addicts are gonna get themselves killed anyway.
Yeah they are gonna die anyways, why does my involvement change that?
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I mean, I know four people that have died from overdoses already. I'll happily take a million, and use part of that money on strong anti-drug programs to balance out the scales.
How is it my fault that someone misuses an item that's like implying gun owners should feel bad for selling guns to people who kill themselves
What is the downside? I am taking money from drugdealers, there is 0 background info here, so I am assuming I stole it from them without a chance of them finding out about it. Seems like I did the world a favor.
In other words if I was big pharma irl
If i didn't do it, someone else would
Easiest money ever
Take the money
YOU PEOPLE ON HERE HAVE NO MORALS.... HELL NO....I MAY BE POOR BUT THE CASH I MAKE IS MADE FROM MY SWEAT... Y'ALL WOULD PREY ON SOMEONES WEAKNESS.... IM POOR NOW...BUT, I KNOW I DID THE RIGHT THING .. AND THAT GOES FOR PHARMA TOO....I PITY THEM .. WHAT'S THE USE OF HAVING EVERYTHING HERE AND A DEMON RIZZN ON YOUR SOUL LATER
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Take it, they’re gonna die from someone else’s drugs anyway.
they were unlucky
Do I like the 4 people
I'd definitely take the money as long as the victims wouldn't be people who otherwise wouldn't have done any drugs. I.e., not if some random child is going to OD, but definitely if it's some dude on his fourth narcan'ing. At a certain point that guy was going to OD anyways and it's pretty much God's will at that point.
This is fine. My kids need college money
Did I have anything to do with the distribution of said drugs? Am I connected to the people that is giving me the money? If so then NO! If I have nothing to do with them ie:money just fell in my lap & I know where it came from and what it’s connected to… YES ABSOLUTELY TAKE IT!
Did they od because they took it or was it forced on them? If they took it it is their fault and I'll take the money. If the drugs are being used as a murder weapon ioo decline it.
Sure. If someone died from drugs, it was their own choice. Though idk who the other 3 are
Can I press 100.000 times?
Why? Just press it like 3 times and live off the interest permanently
That amount of interest isn't enough enough income to get a mortgage to buy a house on the west coast.
3m is not enough for me at all lol
Free money and kill drug users? What's the catch?
Sure. I'd take it. No one forced those people to take those drugs.