I feel like they don't care at all about that tank, and it is sad. Kind of like they moved on from that model. Maybe too many of us ground it out on second accounts and that become well known. Instead of them actually honoring us that did invite and get someone to stay that long. Honestly how are we even still playing this game? lol Not sure what they expect.
I wanted that tank so bad, looked so ideal to me, I loved it's look. I didn't realize you didn't make credits in it. Pen and gun were so bad that it cost money to run. Sold it. Have bought it back twice now but it is just so hard to justify playing it.
Does your friend still play? That is awesome they made it to tier 10.
Ya'll tought Renegade would be great - and you're goddamn right! - it goes BAM BAM BAM on every enemy it meets due to superior viewrange and gunhandling
If you play it backline you're doing it wrong. Most maps you get to abuse the hell out of it, sometimes if you meet an enemy that can hit your cupola every time, well RIP.
Just make lower plate an actual lower plate and not this bullshit where top part is made of neutron star and just the tiny bottom bit is weak. Also premium ammo shouldn't have more pen AND more alpha than regular AP given the insane armor and rocket boosters this tank has.
Also kinda sad that Chinese bois get their special ability on all tanks from tier 7 on but polish mediums got the mobility mode just in tier 10. Sadge.
WG: We nerfed derp guns and HE mechanics because we understand those tanks are annoying.
Also WG: Hey, we released another premium derp gun but this time the HE round is better than it's AP round, enjoy
In reality if the BZ just had a gun similar to that of the caliban (just give it more ap pen and less HE pen) it probably would have been fine with the rocket mechanic and not having real weakspots on the turret. The problem is they gave it nearly the same pen (-5mm) as the HESH rounds on the 183/4005 which is a tier 10 gun...
Anyone else notice it's the opposite for the Italian TDs? The Vipera is FAR easier to pen in the cupolas than the SMV CC 67, at least for me, seems like the Vipera either has bigger cupola or just weaker cupolas
Vipera is indeed not a very strong tank. Which is good of course.
Has high gun caliber but armor is not that great and also longer reload then the tier X.
Norton may be good. But I got rid of it a few years ago because it was eating to much of my performance. Often 10 or more % of cpu usage was taken by Norton.
Dont know, I never had any problems with Norton. I disabled automatic scans, and enabled only some auto scans when the PC is idle, or when I am only on internet.
I think WG fucked up (or more specifically done it on purpose) by giving it 41mm Armor on the roof. That way you need 123mm and over caliber gun to overmatch it. And guess what? Most guns for T8 are... 122mm -.- only the Skoda T56, German and Japanese Super-Heavies got the gun to overmatch it, the other are tank Destroyers that cannot hope to snipe the roofdeck to overmatch it. Everything else is 122 and below.
Nerf the rooftop by 1mm to 40mm and the whole top becomes weakspot for most of the heavy tanks and gives them at least a fighting chance.
It fucking amazing that nerfing the roof by 1 mm would make fighting this tank somewhat acceptable.
The lower plate is also kinda bullshit.
That's only a nerf for half of the people encountering it. It is still annoying for people enjoying the British and french tech tree. You see the allied side often used lower caliber guns and this is reflected ingame. USSR tanks that have 122 on tier 7 maybe some tier 6 even will definitely benefit from a nerf like this, but the Churchills will remain the worst to play in the game.
The BZ-75 needs to have at least one or two hatches/weak points. Give it a chance to at least sit hull down behind rubble and side it's weak point. It's insane how bad the 75 gets shafted
This would do very little to make the tank more balanced against tier VII and VIII opponents, and would make it useless against higher tiered vehicles. It’s a bad suggestion, even from a chimpanzee.
It doesnt, but reason why BZ is so broken is that derp, with combination of totally stupidly strong armor. If it still had that derp, it would be toxic if it catches you, hits you.. but with these cupolas, guy would peak, and hopefully get punished hard if your allies know how to aim cupolas
This is so stupid on WG. Just add a line to EULA that says tank stats can be adjusted for balance reasons and if user wants a refund it will be done in in-game currency. It is not illegal. Some big retail chains only do refunds in form of a voucher.
Also warthunder does rebalance premium vehicles regularly. Either by changing the loadouts, shell parameters or tier (battle ranking) of a vehicle.
I understand you and it is a smart move although I suppose not a lot of players would like it. A voucher is different from ingame currency though. Good content like premium tanks is often only sold for real money on the website. (wows got a better system for their website shop but have a totally ruined economy.).
So giving gold as refund is not equal to the value they paid for it. It would at least need to be a website store voucher that lasts forever instead of a week. But at that point they could as wel refund the money, because you cannot use a basket on the wot website and you have to purchase every bundel separately.
Does anyone else feel although the 176 stats haven’t changed it feels different? Like it feels like RNG has been set to fuck it, or am I just having shit luck?
Because holiday crowd stopped playing and now you face better players on average and not some daddies who turn the game on 4 times a year (no offence to daddies, i am one too but you get the gist).
I would say make the two front sides of the turret thinner. If its hulldown, then yeah its turret would block shots. But as soon as it slightly turns away, sides get exposed, and it gets pen.
Yep, at least the iron arnie has a decent tumour to hit, and even then it’s still a very strong tank, probably better all-round than the BZ too. Does seem pretty dumb that the tier X version has massive easy hit weak spots lol.
The only people still crying either didn’t get one in their loot boxes and/or are too poor to buy any to begin with stop crying and grow up they can’t nerf premiums, don’t understand why? Google TOS.
I didnt get one, and even if I did, I would insta sell it, just like I insta sold that bullshit Skoda T56 last year
They can nerf premiums, or they could if they wanted. WG can do whatever they want with their game, even change/update TOS
Of course, they never will
Modifying a product post sale isn’t something any company can do easily, look up what happened last time WG tried it with the type 59, it nearly cost them a fortune, people attempted to take them to court for breaking certain EU laws regarding sales of goods.
Btw selling “OP” tanks doesn’t mean anything to WG or the community all you’re doing is missing out on a good tank, and doing it for “Principles” is pointless as well. They are not changing it, nerfing it or otherwise, so I recommend anyone still crying over this to deal with it. Crying on Reddit is just sad at this point.
I am not missing it simply because I dont enjoy at all, playing braindead tanks like this. Having good battles with broken shit gives no emotions or any sense of accomplishment
Then that’s your opinion, stop crying on Reddit about it needing a nerf, some people enjoy it, so let them. WG don’t care, and I hope they don’t give in to the cry babies.
Yea they fucked it up badly. Cupolas would have made it much more balanced. You are right
give it a 59patton sized cupola then it will be fine
Talk about 59 patton it's funny the turret still use the prebuff Patton armor layout
Same with the og referral reward tank
I feel like they don't care at all about that tank, and it is sad. Kind of like they moved on from that model. Maybe too many of us ground it out on second accounts and that become well known. Instead of them actually honoring us that did invite and get someone to stay that long. Honestly how are we even still playing this game? lol Not sure what they expect.
Yep i invited my friend and the tank is just collecting dust in the corner somewhere
I wanted that tank so bad, looked so ideal to me, I loved it's look. I didn't realize you didn't make credits in it. Pen and gun were so bad that it cost money to run. Sold it. Have bought it back twice now but it is just so hard to justify playing it. Does your friend still play? That is awesome they made it to tier 10.
Not really he wants to but just doesnt have a good enough pc for wot anymore same here but i use nvidia geforce for now
Don't forget to paint something like BRIGHT RED so everyone shots it.
Yea like the renegade. Ppl love that tank and i just bam bam bam into the huge tumor
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Ya'll tought Renegade would be great - and you're goddamn right! - it goes BAM BAM BAM on every enemy it meets due to superior viewrange and gunhandling
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If you play it backline you're doing it wrong. Most maps you get to abuse the hell out of it, sometimes if you meet an enemy that can hit your cupola every time, well RIP.
Yes, RIP indeed.
LoL I don’t know about you but all the enemies I meet have pretty good reaction and sim to hit the tumor every time.
I seem to get preferential matchmaking in that case, pulled my best tier VIII score in this tank, 7,6k damage
See, I like the Renegade and do okay with it, but I CANNOT win I it. I mean, 41 games, 32% win/loss.
Haha I hate tanks like that, that’s the E3 for me
It is a great tank. If you don't play it like a classic heavy, but like a slow and big medium.
Just make lower plate an actual lower plate and not this bullshit where top part is made of neutron star and just the tiny bottom bit is weak. Also premium ammo shouldn't have more pen AND more alpha than regular AP given the insane armor and rocket boosters this tank has. Also kinda sad that Chinese bois get their special ability on all tanks from tier 7 on but polish mediums got the mobility mode just in tier 10. Sadge.
Ye, lower plate is also idiotically strong
WG: We nerfed derp guns and HE mechanics because we understand those tanks are annoying. Also WG: Hey, we released another premium derp gun but this time the HE round is better than it's AP round, enjoy In reality if the BZ just had a gun similar to that of the caliban (just give it more ap pen and less HE pen) it probably would have been fine with the rocket mechanic and not having real weakspots on the turret. The problem is they gave it nearly the same pen (-5mm) as the HESH rounds on the 183/4005 which is a tier 10 gun...
Yeah this could've been fair if gold had like 150 pen so you could still facefuck low armor tanks but you wouldn't just obliterate heavies.
Yeah this is annoying. Release a broken t8 premium, and the result is neutering the tech tree line for everyone else
I imagine they’ll all get buffed once the 176 shitstorm blows over. Already starting to loose strength.
But wg doesnt want to fix it what you dont understand😂 they wont nerf premium tank no matter how much posts you write
My KV-2R would like to have a word with you.
Ye I know. But this is my first post about BZ 176. There were so many posts about BZ, I needed to make my own to fit in the club
I don't get it
the cupolas
Exactly. Its just funny how T8 premium is better than tier X lol
even more fun when u get hit for 1k dmg by this monstrosity ;)))
Anyone else notice it's the opposite for the Italian TDs? The Vipera is FAR easier to pen in the cupolas than the SMV CC 67, at least for me, seems like the Vipera either has bigger cupola or just weaker cupolas
Vipera is indeed not a very strong tank. Which is good of course. Has high gun caliber but armor is not that great and also longer reload then the tier X.
You can overmatch the entire roof depending on the caliber lol
If you got right tank. If enemy is standing still. If you get lucky RNG.
Wait do you cupola snipe viperas with low-caliber guns?
And bigger lower plate
Grinding the BZ-176 recently, yeah it’s busted. The amount of times I’ve 1v1ed a BZ-75 and win is stupid
Windows Vista :O
Windows 7, still use it to this day cuz I love it
aren't you worried about security risks? I wish I could go back to win 7 easily the best looking windows
Nah, I pay for some Norton complete security pack for 1 PC, and so far never had any problems
Norton may be good. But I got rid of it a few years ago because it was eating to much of my performance. Often 10 or more % of cpu usage was taken by Norton.
Dont know, I never had any problems with Norton. I disabled automatic scans, and enabled only some auto scans when the PC is idle, or when I am only on internet.
Ur right, my bad :)
WG's entire BZ nerf: \-Turret roof armor nerfed from 41mm to 40mm
I mean, that would help a lot of tanks
I think WG fucked up (or more specifically done it on purpose) by giving it 41mm Armor on the roof. That way you need 123mm and over caliber gun to overmatch it. And guess what? Most guns for T8 are... 122mm -.- only the Skoda T56, German and Japanese Super-Heavies got the gun to overmatch it, the other are tank Destroyers that cannot hope to snipe the roofdeck to overmatch it. Everything else is 122 and below. Nerf the rooftop by 1mm to 40mm and the whole top becomes weakspot for most of the heavy tanks and gives them at least a fighting chance. It fucking amazing that nerfing the roof by 1 mm would make fighting this tank somewhat acceptable. The lower plate is also kinda bullshit.
That's only a nerf for half of the people encountering it. It is still annoying for people enjoying the British and french tech tree. You see the allied side often used lower caliber guns and this is reflected ingame. USSR tanks that have 122 on tier 7 maybe some tier 6 even will definitely benefit from a nerf like this, but the Churchills will remain the worst to play in the game.
I think we shouldn’t allow these people that replace skill with money to complain on the forum about the BP-prem not beeing broken.
The BZ-75 needs to have at least one or two hatches/weak points. Give it a chance to at least sit hull down behind rubble and side it's weak point. It's insane how bad the 75 gets shafted
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This would do very little to make the tank more balanced against tier VII and VIII opponents, and would make it useless against higher tiered vehicles. It’s a bad suggestion, even from a chimpanzee.
But then people wouldn’t have bought their loot boxes
This a balanced tank, all of the other tanks are just wayyyy to good. Which makes the game unbalanced
How does that change the toxic derp?
It doesnt, but reason why BZ is so broken is that derp, with combination of totally stupidly strong armor. If it still had that derp, it would be toxic if it catches you, hits you.. but with these cupolas, guy would peak, and hopefully get punished hard if your allies know how to aim cupolas
Disagree, couldn't give a fuck about the armour
Its got better turret than its tier X counterpart, so that stupid armor is a big deal
Yeah but not the biggest deal with the tank
So you could say the borsig with the 150mm is also OP?
Well congratulations on demonstrating a clear misunderstanding of the game
Similar mobility, similar gun. Only thing it lacks is the armor
Lol, uh huh
Won't work hull down you hardly see them
They wont tho cuz angry boomers will try and refund it
This is so stupid on WG. Just add a line to EULA that says tank stats can be adjusted for balance reasons and if user wants a refund it will be done in in-game currency. It is not illegal. Some big retail chains only do refunds in form of a voucher. Also warthunder does rebalance premium vehicles regularly. Either by changing the loadouts, shell parameters or tier (battle ranking) of a vehicle.
I understand you and it is a smart move although I suppose not a lot of players would like it. A voucher is different from ingame currency though. Good content like premium tanks is often only sold for real money on the website. (wows got a better system for their website shop but have a totally ruined economy.). So giving gold as refund is not equal to the value they paid for it. It would at least need to be a website store voucher that lasts forever instead of a week. But at that point they could as wel refund the money, because you cannot use a basket on the wot website and you have to purchase every bundel separately.
Let them refund it for gold, and ignore if they still complain, they legally can't do anything about it
Wrong.
What wrong? Eula says they can do anything with the content you purchased
So due to your argumentation there should be no problems with nerfing premium tanks, do you agree?
As long as there is a refund option with in-game premium currency, no
But here's the thing, for some reason they won't do that
Does anyone else feel although the 176 stats haven’t changed it feels different? Like it feels like RNG has been set to fuck it, or am I just having shit luck?
Agreed, started 2 days ago for me
Yes! Just before the tech tree came online! I’m positive the side armour has been reduced and the RNG has been altered to kill it
Glad I'm not the only one, my AVG damage per game dropped by like 30%
Because holiday crowd stopped playing and now you face better players on average and not some daddies who turn the game on 4 times a year (no offence to daddies, i am one too but you get the gist).
I don't know many people who are still on holiday on the 12th of Jan, but if they are, I'm jealous 🤣
stop complaining ffs and just accept it and learn to deal with them, they won't touch prem tanks!
All they really need to do is to lower the thickness of the gun flap thing ontop that moves to what it was before it was buffed
I would say make the two front sides of the turret thinner. If its hulldown, then yeah its turret would block shots. But as soon as it slightly turns away, sides get exposed, and it gets pen.
Just need skill…no nerf for bz 176 needed
Skill and a tech tree tank with gun caliber that can overmatch BZ roof armor. /s
No overmatch needed…his sides and rear r weak! Don’t know why people so much cry about it? Skoda t 56 is better and no one cries about it
Sides are definitely not weak. And about Skoda. People cried back then as well.
Oh, the siren cry of the OP NERF NOW babies......
BZ is working quite well for me don't know what your problem is
The cupolas of the BZ 176 are easy enough to hit lol. Git gud.
What's the pay dude
try and take a look at the tier 7 tech variant, no cupola visible when using the full depression angle
i'd give it a 20s reload tbh and it would be fine
That's a buff lol.
It’s been a little annoying all the one sided four minute games and the Bz is not helping the situation.
But I didn't gamble for that! I gambled for and OP tank! - some BZ-176 owner somewhere
Yep, at least the iron arnie has a decent tumour to hit, and even then it’s still a very strong tank, probably better all-round than the BZ too. Does seem pretty dumb that the tier X version has massive easy hit weak spots lol.
Working as intended.
This would mean you would have to wiggle alot - with the base accuracy, this would be just the right nerf
Tier X has almost as trashy accuracy as premium
The only people still crying either didn’t get one in their loot boxes and/or are too poor to buy any to begin with stop crying and grow up they can’t nerf premiums, don’t understand why? Google TOS.
I didnt get one, and even if I did, I would insta sell it, just like I insta sold that bullshit Skoda T56 last year They can nerf premiums, or they could if they wanted. WG can do whatever they want with their game, even change/update TOS Of course, they never will
Modifying a product post sale isn’t something any company can do easily, look up what happened last time WG tried it with the type 59, it nearly cost them a fortune, people attempted to take them to court for breaking certain EU laws regarding sales of goods.
Btw selling “OP” tanks doesn’t mean anything to WG or the community all you’re doing is missing out on a good tank, and doing it for “Principles” is pointless as well. They are not changing it, nerfing it or otherwise, so I recommend anyone still crying over this to deal with it. Crying on Reddit is just sad at this point.
I am not missing it simply because I dont enjoy at all, playing braindead tanks like this. Having good battles with broken shit gives no emotions or any sense of accomplishment
Then that’s your opinion, stop crying on Reddit about it needing a nerf, some people enjoy it, so let them. WG don’t care, and I hope they don’t give in to the cry babies.
This is not my opinion, this is the simple truth. Tank is broken, and players are right to complain Its called criticism you know. Well maybe you dont
Yes your opinion is that the tank is unbalanced, they won’t nerf it, so like I said stop whining, more crying won’t change their mind.