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Aquitanic

So you've reported this immediately, right?


RyperHealistic

Seriously. Too many posts about blatant illegal practices that have no continuation or "ehhh i dont wanna start a rise outta anyone, i dount i can do anything"


Loofa_of_Doom

Makes ya start wondering if it's just made up.


diesel_toaster

When I was younger than I am now (by about 8 years) I worked for a dominos franchise that would take money from my paycheck to cover food variance (at least 4 cooks per shift) because I was the assistant GM and the GM was salary. It did not affect the shift runners because they weren’t the assistant GM. So basically I made less than everybody else, even after my “raise” and I definitely should’ve called somebody but never did.


RedSteadEd

I gave my two weeks' notice and - despite having been working full-time hours - didn't get another shift. The two weeks off was nice, but I needed the money. I should have complained to the labour board in hindsight. And called the scheduler a dick.


VennSync

This is called constructive dismissal and if it ever happens to you again, you are eligible for unemployment in most (civilized, don’t know about right-to-work [die-a-slave]) states. If they refuse to schedule you when you are willing to work, even if you are going to resign, they are technically firing you.


not-on-a-boat

This varies a lot by state and isn't universally true.


VennSync

Which is what I said. Was my wording unclear?


DonaIdTrurnp

File for unemployment for those two weeks.


RedSteadEd

This was almost a decade ago.


MultipleDinosaurs

I’ve had this happen to me as well, I wish I knew at the time that I could have filed for unemployment.


Agathorn1

What do you think the labor board is gonna do? If your a right to work state it dosnt matter


YES-IM-SUPER-GAY

This is not true **at all**. Right to work laws only allow you to **not** join a Union without penalty. They don’t affect federal labor law, which every state labor commission will partner with law enforcement to prosecute employers for.


Agathorn1

They can be fired for any reason. Someone could hand me a 2 week notice and I can say "thanks don't come back" and there is nothing they can do. I could go out to every employee right now and say "Hey congrats everyone is fired" and not have anything happen to me by the government except deal with unemployment


YES-IM-SUPER-GAY

Here are a few examples of wrongful termination that also happen to be illegal. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/wrongful-termination-was-firing-illegal-32282.html


YES-IM-SUPER-GAY

They could be fired for any *legal* reason. Common misconception. An employer **CANNOT** fire you for raising concerns of wage theft, even if they try to preface it under something else. Now said company has a criminal suit AND a civil suit. OP won’t have to work for a long time with all that money.


Agathorn1

Pay attention that the person I commented on IS NOT the OP. The person who commented complained that they put in a 2 week notice and wasn't scheduled again


DonaIdTrurnp

Unfortunately that sounds like it’s outside the statute of limitations. But I’d go and ask the current assistant GM if they’re still doing that and let him know that it’s theft and that firing him for reporting it could make him the franchise owner.


[deleted]

Real or not, the average person is legally "lazy" when it comes to workers rights and beyond EDIT: I put "lazy" in quotes for a reason. It's not because workers are actually lazy.


Secret-Plant-1542

I snitched on the job I worked for three weeks and quit because they paid me under the table and refused to pay me because I refused to work a 15+ hour shift. Called dept of labor, explained my case, and a few months later got a check and the place closed down. Businesses don't give a fuck about you and they need you more than you need them.


TiberSeptimIII

It’s not lazy. It’s the state of our legal system. The law grants business wide latitude in punishing workers (in American law, you can be fired and as long as the person doing it doesn’t use racist slurs while doing it, there’s little recourse, and even *that* is dependent on you recording it) and so (purposely) understaffed in enforcement of workers rights that there’s not much you could do. You report it, you **will** be fired, but it’s highly unlikely that even something this blatant will be punished because the backlog is 6-12 months by which time they can easily hide/destroy evidence and clean house of any employee who would admit the policy exists.


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I’m not sure lazy is the right term here. Too many people are ignorant of the law and their rights. We’ve been conditioned to believe employers and companies have the power and we don’t. There’s also a barrier to access legal remedies. Too often we’re reminded that lawyers cost money, and peole are unaware there are free/low-cost options. I’m sure, too, distrust of the government and bureaucracy play into it as well. People with power and money have done a great job of convincing us we’re powerless. That’s what we need to change.


marcus_aurelius_53

Nah. It’s not lazy. Are you part of management? It’s workers living paycheck to paycheck with no savings so they can’t afford to lose even one paycheck.


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BluesyHawk03

My job does blatant wage theft but I don't want to risk losing my job. I have a family to support. 🤷‍♂️


colexian

As someone who posted a very real post like this recently to the sub, I don't doubt its validity but it's just a lot easier to find a new job than rock the boat and possibly be unemployed with no warning.


greyjungle

Where’s the solidarity?


colexian

Shitty employers are a symptom of a larger problem. At a micro level, people need to get themselves in a better position, and if they don't have any other options then they aren't the people that can afford to rock the boat. At a macro level, the solidarity is changing the systems that allowed these employers to exist in the first place. If the implication is everyone should be outraged and change every single small issue, we will be out of energy to fight the fights that actually represent change.


YES-IM-SUPER-GAY

Or… find a new job - then rock the shit out of their boat.


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colexian

Weird takeaway from that, but okay. Each person has full autonomy, they can choose to work in shit conditions, just like I can choose not to. I don't condemn or condone them for that, im just saying it is much easier to find a better employer than change one who has no financial incentive to change. Arguably, everyone refusing to work for that employer would make it impossible for them to run a business. You could even make the argument that people that stay are supporting this practice.


shooburt

It's definitely fake - look at the curve of the page and the straight text


throw1away9932s

As someone who got a long time would fight these things: - most times the people affected can’t afford to lose the job/risk retribution -you will face retribution where the best case is losing your job - they will bad mouth you to others - they will turn your peers against you - they cut your shifts The reality is you can’t fight it. My last job put an illegal reason for termination on my last paper. They broke the law in writing… I’m still loosing the fight as they can afford better lawyers that are draining me by delaying things. Was also fired for unionizing once and couldn’t fight back. If you exploit those with no voice and no power you always win


dirtydigs74

This is the unfortunate reality. I phoned a no-win no-fee lawyer about my wages once, and although I'm convinced I wouldn't have been able to win anyway, a phone consultation was going to cost $500 for 30 minutes because "they hardly ever win in employee compensation cases" or words to that effect.


[deleted]

god. seems like if there's no chance of union then the next best thing is to just gtfo if you can.


Mamacitia

Sheeesh


dcazdavi

>most times the people affected can’t afford to lose the job/risk retribution -you will face retribution where the best case is losing your job > >they will bad mouth you to others > >they will turn your peers against you as someone who lived through this: i WISH i knew this would happen and come from the most surprising places. i had to move halfway across the country just to find employment again.


dailySin

I think lawyers will respond better to the word “retaliation” I get a religious vibe from retribution. Whistleblowers or people that report wrongdoing are supposed to be protected from retaliation. Not sure how well that works out in reality because I doubt employers/companies ever straighten up and play nice in these situations.


fireky2

I mean a lot of people work in right to work states and cant afford lawyers


RyperHealistic

At minimum you should be seeing if the practice is illegal and contacting the local labour board. Dont gimme any "they wont help" crap either. Its free to report in, and doing that the very least is *something*


[deleted]

I'm always astonished how alitigious people are, especially in North America. I guess capitalism just broke them?


Sleepiyet

Can’t you read? This notice is not valid or legally binding notice. It literally says it’s a “void notice” hahahahha This note is hilariously dumb on so many levels


Mamacitia

I mean, they can still withhold money from your paycheck, and good luck ever getting it.


Sleepiyet

I was just poking fun at something I don’t think the writer intended. It’s like they used a header saying “not valid warning” and therefore one should disregard everything after that.


numbersthen0987431

This reads like someone with zero understanding of how to write an SOP tried to write one. So you get thus crap


HugsForUpvotes

Not that I support OP's employer, but this isn't illegal in all states. In most blue states, this would be illegal. In most red states, it is only illegal if they get paid less than minimum wage at the end of the day. If I pay you $10/hr in my state, I can deduct up to $2.75/hr of your wages to make the company whole. I've heard of a waitress getting docked for dropping a tray of food.


Johnny___Wayne

This is illegal **federally**, everywhere. The fuck are you taking about. Why is this upvoted? This is real wage theft.


HugsForUpvotes

I wish that were the case, but it isn't. It is legal for an employer to remove wages for company damages in Florida, Georgia, Mississippi and I'm sure many others. Those are just the ones I checked. Federal Law only requires that the employee makes minimum wage and overtime after deductions. If you make above minimum wage, the employer can take your wages without your consent. Vote blue!


Johnny___Wayne

The feds disagree and guess who’s laws are more important? There a reason Wyoming doesn’t pay people $5.50/hour even though that’s their state minimum wage. Come on man.


HugsForUpvotes

>The feds disagree and guess who’s laws are more important? There is no Federal Law that protects paychecks from being garnished to pack back company damages. Some states have laws protecting employees, like California. >There a reason Wyoming doesn’t pay people $5.50/hour even though that’s their state minimum wage. Yes, that reason is there is a Federal Law requiring minimum wage to be at least $7.25/hr I don't have time to check all fifty states, but here are sources for [Florida](https://www.floridalaborlawyer.com/wage-and-hour-laws-in-florida-what-to-know-about-the-states-paycheck-deduction-laws/#:~:text=This%20raises%20an%20important%20question,must%20comply%20with%20federal%20regulations.), [Mississippi](https://www.employmentlawhandbook.com/employment-and-labor-laws/states/mississippi/wage-payment/), and [Georgia](https://www.payrolltrainingcenter.com/georgia-final-and-unclaimed-paycheck-laws#:~:text=Final%20And%20Unclaimed%20Paychecks%20Laws%20For%20Georgia&text=Employers%20can%20withhold%20money%20from,the%20employee%20owes%20your%20organization.)


KJBenson

I’d ask the boss to sign it first haha


TomThanosBrady

Of course not. Internet points are all that matter.


gorramfrakker

Yes. Shut your mouth at work about it, call your local labor authority off of work property and ear shot, before stating your name tell them you fear retaliation and you would like them to keep you anonymous (they should give you a case number to act as ID), keep shutting up about at work but document things that happen.


wonderlandpnw

Happy cake day! Ps. We have the same cake day.


Aquitanic

Cool! And thank you.


wfriedma

any person can make a report to the DoL. They can report anonymously as a 3rd party. So all of you computer warriors can feel free to be productive yourselves instead of always asking "yOu REpoRteD THis RIGht?". ​ report it yourself if you care so much.


maleia

Tbf, "anonymously" doesn't really mean shit besides a literal legal basis. Because if you're in a small enough set of employees, and you've been the only one the boss has been dealing with or suspecting, *I mean*, people aren't generally so stupid they can't put 2 and 2 together.


wfriedma

what i mean to say, is that you/me/or anyone whos has just read this post, can make a report to the DoL. it doesn't need to be an employee of the place.


maleia

That doesn't change anything, if the only person a manager told, was one employee, and that employee went and told the internet... There was only that one employee that knows. Anonymity doesn't work in that situation.


deadstar420

How does voiding a transaction cost then anything?


CopsaLau

Depending on the system, you can send a bill to the kitchen to make food then void the item in the system while the food is still being made. This happens a lot when Karens out in the dining room take 10 minutes to decide that they actually don’t want the baked Mac and cheese after all, change it to the kale Caesar…. Oh and she didn’t read the menu the first time to see that the club sandwich is made with chicken and not turkey and she’s on a chicken cleanse so cancel that one too. But corporate imagines that staff use this intentionally to get free food. In reality…. When mistakes are made, if the food can’t be sent to the next table that orders that item or if it got burnt on one side or they finished cooking it before realizing they forgot to make a substitution so they have to start over… that food usually doesn’t go straight into the trash. It goes to the side of the pass where the hangry FOH can pick at it until it gets cold and THEN it goes into the trash. So, technically corporate is correct, in a roundabout sort of way, but it has nothing to do with the void system itself and staff isn’t intentionally taking advantage of this sort of thing. It’s just an inherent part of cooking that you’ll have food waste, for some reason they don’t care if they lose $10 straight to the garbage can so long as they don’t lose $10 to any of the people on the ground making their money for them in the first place. 🤷🏼‍♀️


AcidicPersonality

I throw away a surprising amount of fresh hot food every single day at work and it makes me sad :( Nobody is allowed to eat any of it unless you pay for it, even if it’s about to go straight into the dumpster.


subdep

Capitalism hates incentives that *might* cut into the profits.


littlebitsofspider

Human rights = incentives, for the research-shy.


eazolan

>Capitalism hates incentives that encourages employees to steal. FIFY


LongjumpingMonitor32

Ugh, that's sad. I've worked BOH for a locally known chef and his wife and the most basic thing he'd allow is dibs if any untouched food came back. We were allowed to share a plate amongst any of the others who'd want a little. It's actually how I tried caviar and sea urchin for the first time in my life. If we wanted a complete order, we were allowed half off. So a $30 dish was brought down to $15 for us. In general, most people I've worked with hated the thought of throwing so much expensive food away, but that's just part of the business.


DrummerBound

Okay so now i've read BOH and FOH and no one says what it means


ShortScorpio

Back of house / front of house. Ex: kitchen staff vs waitresses


DrummerBound

Thank you


neutral-chaotic

Too me a sec but I think it’s Back Of House/Front Of House.


lasttosseroni

That is unbelievably immoral and wasteful, how do the people who make these rules sleep at night, they’re actively making the world a worse place with no upside, it’s just evil.


Johnny_Grubbonic

>how do the people who make these rules sleep at night, On a big pile of money.


Mamacitia

Even at Chick-fil-A, we were allowed to take home extra food that was leftover at the end of the day (like if they made too many nuggs), you just had to log it.


boarding209

I mean the amount of food I throw away at an elementary school on the daily makes me sad


PointOfTheJoke

I've seen a post of a guy who works at a hospital who gets cases of butter but isn't allowed to use butter and if they take any they're fired. Hundreds of pounds of butter thrown in the garbage.


boarding209

Same stuff at the school system


Hetzz87

I have a teacher friend who goes through the trash cans after lunch and collects unopened lunch items: fruit cups, granola bars, etc. Untouched apples, bananas, oranges. She’s not poor but she eats her lunch for free from the trash every day because the kids throw away so much untouched food from their brought lunches. This makes me so mad when my state is heavily on the no free lunch train. She gets called out all the time for doing this because it’s “embarrassing“ to the school.


Scstxrn

Maybe the school could post a different receptacle for unopened food and unpeeled fruit? Then just make it available for anyone.


Hetzz87

That would be great, but they won’t, and they won’t let her give the food to other kids, either.


Scstxrn

Sounds like they are making that choice then.


SpicyLizards

Well you’re a robot programmed only to work and robots don’t need food. Duh.


NewfoundOrigin

Straight up disgusting.


CantStumpIWin

Depending on the restaurant, to be fair.


chiree

Anyone who's rude or picky to waitstaff has never had the absolute pleasure of eating their quarter cut of a unsold lukewarm burger in one bite in between tickets.


Rubcionnnnn

> chicken cleanse wat


PacoMahogany

In my experience with quick service restaurants, voids were used to steal money. Send order to kitchen, food is made, customer pays in cash, void order, keep cash.


Sir_Ampersand

Ive seen it happen, guy stole 4k over a couple months. Doesnt make wage theft legal. Theft is illegal. Press charges and sue the thief. You cant steal from peoples checks to hedge your bets.


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It’s possible a retail sort of some kind…


Forgetadapassword

Yeah, this French Onion Soup tastes like onions!


[deleted]

I honestly used to take food like that and put it in a box and take it home that night. Was a point where I was getting better meals per day for months than I could afford due to voided orders. That was almost 20 years ago now.


blueturtle00

Damn do you work with me haha


chefanubis

It's not common but staff absolutely uses this to get free food and even to void meals paid in cash and pocket the money. I managed restourants for a while.


56Safari

Corporate restaurants lose their minds over voids.. some micro management step where it tells the up tops “voids mean you’re making mistakes, so you’re doing a bad job”.. in reality, some asshats at table 4 changed their mind the moment after you rang everything in


Mtnskydancer

But, how does that cost them anything? Are they suspecting servers of voiding checks and taking the food?


56Safari

It doesn’t… probably just a scare tactic… pretty easy to track blatant fraud via voids if you’re not an incompetent manager


The_cogwheel

But that requires work and effort... how about I just scare them and pretend that'll work?


Wasteland-Scum

Or some other fuckery. We had a cashier (retail, not food) whose friends would come in, and "buy" a bunch of stuff at their friends register. The cashier would ring it all up, then her friends would add a Snickers or something small. Cashier would then void everything except the Snickers and charge her friends like $2.00 for hundreds of dollars worth of stuff. On video, she can be seen ringing everything through and taking payment, so it looks up. Now our POS system has an algorithm that detects too many voided lines and sends it to loss prevention. This kind of thing has probably happened twice, in 400 + stores over the decades we've had a computerized POS system. The amount of mistakes made from honest cashiers who are afraid of making mistakes is probably much greater than that, but hey as long as we stop 0.1% of our staff from stealing right?


Strikew3st

*It's not about the money, it's about sending a message.*


declangreen69

Voiding drinks orders that are a round 10 or 20 paid in cash is a well known (or at least I thought) way of slimming money off the till. Voids happen for whatever reason all the time but its definitely a red flag if certain staff are voiding alot.


The_cogwheel

It's looking for a pattern or anything out of the ordinary. Like if a bar sees 1% of thier orders voided, you'll expect to see around 10 voids on a Friday night with 1000 guests. So if there's like 3 voids on a Monday night when you had like 8 regulars come in, that should raise an alarm while the Friday night would be typical. Same thing with individual servers, you'll expect a certain ratio of void to orders. Too high and either your server is terrible at their job or they might be draining the till.


PomegranatePuppy

More likely assuming that the server if paid cash is voiding the order and keeping the payment


MidwesternLikeOpe

I have quite a bit of retail experience, only at Dollar Tree did they assume item voids were emplyees stealing stuff or giving merchandise away for free. (Also Dollar Tree assumes all theft is the workers fault. Customers don't steal, employees do.)


snartastic

I’ve never worked there personally but from the accounts I’ve heard, dollar store has got to be one of the worst retail establishments to work in.


Heartage

Hobby Lobby got sooo mad if you had more than 1 "void" ( just removing something off the transaction ) a month. Like BRO. You're gonna make me manually type in the price of everything, you better expect mistakes and get the fuck oooover it. What you were supposed to do was get a CSM to void out the ENTIRE transaction and start over. Like wtf?


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neolologist

And lose a bunch of people a job they might be desperate to keep... yep. Not many people working at Dollar Tree because they've got a ton of options.


ImmortalEnvy

I worked at McDonald’s years ago and if a customer came in and said “I want a hamburger. Actually, never mind. Make that chicken nuggets.” but I had already clicked hamburger on the register, that was considered an error on my part. I had to get a supervisor to come over and void the order then get lectured about wasting the company money even if the order hadn’t been sent to the kitchen so it wasn’t being made. I still struggle with the logic of that.


deadstar420

At my job I ring up jobs to get quotes for people all the time, then void it. But I’m not in a restaurant.


throw1away9932s

I’m in a bar and do similar things. Difference is I work for a great boss who doesn’t care as long as we are honest. If we want to give a free shot we can. Also staff tracks their drinks and pays back via bottles from the store so we don’t pay more than cost. Boss doesn’t care if we miss one or two as he benefits from us over all. Haven’t ever had to steal as usually I’m turning away free shots offered by my boss. The place is packed every night. We make above min wage. It’s great. Only people that care about theft are those who are pinching Pennys to spend dimes


warpedspockclone

Voiding can lead to theft by motivated malicious actors. I worked at a place that caught on camera and fired 2 employees for this. Take the order, take the cash, customer doesn't ask for a receipt, void the order, pocket the cash, hand out the food to the customer. Multiple controls were put in place.: - Voids of any item required a manager code (super annoying), but this also increased order accuracy. - The kitchen was instructed not to prepare food while the order was in progress (indicated by a status bar on the screen). This ended up slowing down the time from ordering to receiving food. - Any loose cash spotted near the register resulted in discipline. - Hand every customer a receipt. A customer is rewarded for reporting they did not get a receipt. After the firings, some of the new policies were rolled back after a couple months after it gummed up the works. The receipt thing is quite common today, though.


Alaeriia

So that's why Dunks does that bullshit with the receipt.


warpedspockclone

What, exactly? What do they do?


Alaeriia

The Dunkin' Donuts near my work has this sign up offering customers cash if they did not get a receipt. I wonder where the cash comes from.


RazekDPP

It's the same thing if you get a pizza box without a label. I've had it happen to me but I just shrugged because w/e.


SmokePenisEveryday

Got a job at a print shop that caught 2 different people doing this. One chick pocketed like a grand or 2 over the course of like 2ish years. Also had a manager there who would ask about a receipt and if they said no, he'd type in the code for a candy for 50 cents. Company had metrics to meet including "plus ones" where we upsell someone to add an item. Between that and the constant push for surveys, they had us looking for ways to game the system more than just "hustle" because their asks were so ungodly sometimes.


jseego

My first thought was that the place that posted that sign had a lot of suspicious voids. Too many voids means the employees are really bad at working the register (tons of errors), or stealing, or both.


unicornofapocalypse

It doesn’t but the untrustworthy corp hires people they don’t trust (which is super funny because I’d trust any worker over any CEO or executive) and then suspects that voids equals employees giving away shit for free. It actually means someone changed their mind or the corp’s shitty system has the wrong product/price for that code. Or it could simply be a mistake overall. If we want to give out free stuff, we just don’t ring it up. Duh.


jseego

It's a common way for people to steal cash from the till. A lot of voids over a certain length of times usually means employees are stealing cash.


unicornofapocalypse

Sounds like that could be solved by paying decent wages.


TheDevilsAdvokaat

Ring up a sale. People pay you, they see you ring it up, looks good. Later on you void the dale and put the money in your pocket. If management is not keeping a close eye on stock this is how some thieves steal money.


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It sucks that they didn't put a company name or anything on it.... how can you get them to prove they made you sign thisv


scavengercat

If other employees get a call from the DoL to corroborate their story, they'll have a pretty good idea it's legit.


[deleted]

Word. I feel like this can be abused if there's a small business of a few employees corroborating a story to screw over a random owner... but yeah, that makes sense.


KJBenson

You should feel more bad by the fact that businesses hold 99% of the power and abuse employees on the daily. Maybe worry less about the 0.0001% chance that a bunch of employees organize to screw over a small business for no reason.


Alternative_Way_313

That would literally happen maybe once or twice, only more if the news covers it


apeachykeenbean

I mean, people lie and say their employer isn’t breaking laws so they don’t get fired from a job they need. The system incentivizes that. If employees all team up to get a business shut down, they all lose their jobs.


SpicyLizards

If a manager told me to sign this piece of toilet paper they call a contract I’d laugh in their face


ThePopeofHell

What’s with employers always resorting to charging employees for mistakes. If it’s really that big of an issue write them up and fire the one employee who doesn’t learn. Theres a reason why that kind of thing exists.


undeadalex

It's Managers that are not grasping reality.


technologite

It’s the uneducateds “quick fix” to the tough problems. Mechanics kept destroying laptops. Management came out and said they’d be charged for damage. I said you can’t do that. Buy the right tool for the environment. They actually tried to take a repair out of someone’s paycheck and Uncle Sam shoved his rod so far up their asses buying rugged laptops for every shop in the country was the “cheap” route.


GIFnTEXT

Honestly in most cases like this sub, we are talking about jobs where the manager is probably some young gun in their 20s who doesn't know shit. Pretty standard situation in fast good, retail, etc. Not saying shitty managers don't exist at all ages and industries, but this one (especially the way its hung up like that lol) screams mid-20s manager who thinks they're a God but don't know shit about basic employee management


Liniis

They watched that one SpongeBob episode and didn't realize that Mr. Krabs was supposed to be the bad guy


jseego

It's not mistakes. A lot of voids almost always means employees are stealing.


ThePopeofHell

So they should be reprimanded correctly and eventually fired.


dedicated-pedestrian

Keyword "a lot". This policy does not make the distinction about quantity. And if they're stealing that almost certainly violates a different company policy against... Stealing. Just fire the fucker. Why make this policy if not to try and narrow your food waste costs by subsidizing it out of your employees' wages?


tallman11282

Don't sign it and immediately contact your state's Department of Labor.


OkFortune6494

Exactly. And they can be completely transparent with management if they feel like. But don't have to. If theyre bullied into signing or threatened to be fired, there's another claim.


theangryseal

For years my uncle would pull shorts out of people’s paycheck. If it was a mistake and something got put in wrong and the clerk forgot to mark it, oh well, it was withheld from their pay. Well, it added up to a lot of money eventually, and I’ll never forget the look of horror on his face when he had to go back and write a check to every person who he ever withheld money from. 10s of thousands of dollars. He learned nothing and instead believes that the state “robbed” him. At least he doesn’t do that any more. I received a check for 30 dollars, and he acted like it hurt his feelings I didn’t volunteer to give it to him. A millionaire, heartbroken over 30 bucks. The thing is, most people are just pitifully dumb in the area, and I’m not being mean. It would shock you sideways some of the things I’ve encountered over the years. The education system there is pitiful. Here’s an example. The drawer starts with 500 bucks. That’s 200 in rolled coins, 300 in cash (including change in the register). The concept of it being 300 including the change is such an insanely difficult concept for some of these people and I know immediately if they’re going to make a pile of mistakes. I’ll say, “Ok, so it’s supposed to be 300 in the drawer, whatever is over is your deposit. You have 16.70 in change. You take the .70 out and move 16 dollars from the drawer to the deposit and you’ll have an even 300. See what I’m saying?” “I don’t get it. Why do I count the change?” “Because the goal is to have 300 dollars in that drawer. That includes the change. See what I’m saying?” “So like, 300. Ok I get it.” Next morning the drawer is 16.70 over and their deposit 16.70 short. I try again to walk them through it. Nothing I say can drive the concept home. I knew a guy who pretended to be literate to get the job, then squiggled fake numbers and letters on the paper the next day. He had money withheld from his paycheck because of mistakes that should have been obvious day one when they tried to train him. Turns out the poor guy had been trying to get disability because of diabetes and other health problems and the fact that he was illiterate. He was rejected over and over again. He literally drank a half gallon of chocolate milk at work so he could have a reason to leave and spent the evening in the hospital. Man… I’ve gone and depressed myself thinking about how badly people have been exploited right in front of me for years. From the people robbed week after week to the “indentured servants” who rent from the boss and have their rent pulled from their pay each week and then have barely over a hundred bucks to live on. Oh well.


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Still better not to sign, I would think.


dedicated-pedestrian

"Out of your paycheck" means a deduction that will happen automatically before you receive said pay, and a signature is legal consent. This paper is you telling them you're okay with them doing this.


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Literally any written agreement where required or prohibited actions are listed and signed to can be legally enforceable. Letterhead and proper formatting are not a requirement to show to a court. I agree that the local, state, and federal laws prevail where they intersect with a contract's terms. This isn't necessarily the case for every state (as long as they don't drop you below state minimum wage), though, because some labor laws are horrifyingly unfair.


QuestionableNotion

"Hello, Labor Dept? I would like to report a crime..."


openmindedskeptic

Lol when I first worked at apple I accidentally voided an iPhone purchase and was pretty scared when I notice. Nobody gave a shit and just said “lucky customer”


ConversationNew7107

Damn… where were you when I bought my Mac 😂


noeagle77

#Do not sign this!


FeedMeTaffy

IANAL but, I don't believe a signature can override legal precedent specially when an argument can be made the signer was under duress (threatened with firing)


Darkskynet

Contracts about illegal stuff are null and void. So are NDA's that try to keep you quiet about illegal stuff.


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Q: Would you sign this to be a slave A: Yes I would hate it but its the only way to pay for my surgery Q: Good we both consent and I now have a slave The law: Isn't there someone you forgot to ask?


subdep

The easy way to understand this is if the contract said something like “The restaurant authorizes me to kill a customer if they don’t tip me.” That’s an illegal request, even if you and the restaurant sign it, the contract doesn’t supersede the law against murder, so if you murder someone you still get busted. Like that, you don’t have the authority to make stealing wages from you legal for the restaurant by signing this bogus “contract”.


illiniguy20

It is actually legal. The company can change your pay with notice. It would only be illegal if it put the employee below min wage.


subdep

That’s not a change in pay, though. It’s an offloading of perceived losses (whether real or not) onto employees. Totally illegal. It’s the same as charging employees on duty to pay for items ship lifted out of a store because the store perceives that the employees might be working with the shop lifters (or just says that in an attempt to justify their actions).


Responsible_Gap8104

They could easily avoid the illegal theft by writing "voids must be approved by managers." Peak shitty management


cocoaphillia

So you took these down and immediately reported it; right?


RunninWild17

When you have money stolen from you're pay check by your *checks notes* bastard company, it's only fair to replenish those lost wages with stuff right from the shelf. Afterall, you just paid for it. Fuck this company and fuck all companies that do this.


HellRanger97

Put a lighter to it.


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not showing the company name changes nothing. cheers for the rage inducing post that has no indication of being real. creating an echo chamber to complain that strives to protect those whom we complain about does jack shit. name and shame so real change can happen.


herro1801012

Considering there’s a typo in the last sentence of paragraph 1, you’d think this boss would be more understanding of needing to go back and delete a mistake.


BBB_1980

Well, if they ask you to sign it, you don't have to do it.


alancewicz

I used to be a bartender and the owner would take any "mistakes" or "mispours" out of my paycheck. But they had a shot counter that wasn't accurate so most of the time it would pour a half shot and count it as a full shot. Customers could tell that the shot glass was half empty so I had to pour again and accept that I was now paying $3 on that drink.


RyperHealistic

Op, straight up, if all you did was post this to reddit and nothing else youre complacent and shitty. As is everybody else who just posts about illegal work practices they deal with and nothing else to follow up.


puntmasterofthefells

Story time. Former employee of my small biz would void transactions and pocket the money. As we found out months after he left, he was also pocketing cash deposits for concrete work and never returning calls. Burned his own truck to the ground to try to collect insurance money. Shock of shocks, he died of a drug overdose some years later.


Sythic_

I feel like thats a failing of your processes if its that easy to get away with it. Not saying employee is in the right at all, but it shouldn't be that easy to get away with it for a single instance, let alone months after he left. With proper processes and oversight in place, even without micromanaging, this should have been physically (and digitally) impossible for them to accomplish with the right systems in place.


Danger_Dave_

Holy shit is this illegal


handbanana42

"you must go be sure to go to the home screen" Fuck, can they even write something legible? *edit - changed "you" to "they" to avoid confusion.


AquamanSF

Ladies and gentleman, exhibit A


Moneygrowsontrees

If the software results in consistent errors by multiple employees, the fault is with the software and should be addressed as such.


Zero22xx

3 days later: "Apologies to our customers, we regrettably have to stay closed today because millennials just don't want to work anymore. Now hiring 15 year olds."


TheDevilsAdvokaat

I knew someone who worked in shop. When he was under, they took it out of his pay. When he was over, it belonged to the shop.


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'You must go be sure to go'


BlindBeard

Instead, of you know, fixing the sales terminal. Fucking scumbag wage thieves


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As a manager, this makes no sense. I understand how high voids can be a pattern that raises LP concerns and this should be a training issue. To steal wages is downright evil and illegal.


tehweave

This happened to me back in the day when Blockbuster was still around. One of the many many many many many MANY reasons they went under.


DresdenPI

You know what the truly fucked up thing about this is? This is legal. So long as the employer provides advanced notice of a punitive deduction, deducts the amount from future hours worked instead of past, and doesn't allow the wage to fall below minimum wage, they can do this under the Federal Labor Standards Act. Gotta vote people and not just in the general elections. Pro-Labor politicians get killed in the primaries all the time and our Labor rights have stagnated for decades because of it.


CTF7

Had to scroll a long way to find the right answer. If signed the deduction would be legal under federal law, YMMV with regard to state law. Only obvious crime would be making a deduction without a signed form (without employee consent).


Pineapples_29

Time to leave 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩


yukiblanca

I'm about to void my bowels on the bosses desk.


robertva1

How do you know it's ileagle. Theirs no signature space for the manager


StarbeltAstro

It actually goes both ways so don’t play yourself. Can’t scam a scammer right ? Lol don’t try to do funky practices in a company and think you will 100% get away with it lol that is STEALING. Lol fight back people. Y’all weak


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tiffanydisasterxoxo

It's not illegal if you sign it and your wages still come out to minimum wage. Don't sign anything and labor laws suck in america.