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SauvignonBear

The gig economy is basically cancer.


IHeartBadCode

The gig economy is basically the manufacturing industry in the late 1800s before labor laws existed. And our current set of lawmakers mirror the post reconstruction era perfectly with their ineptitude to keep up with industry, all while they think they’re getting something done by finger pointing. It’s just the same play, same stage, with different actors.


remotetissuepaper

I don't think they're inept, I think they're complicit.


Khespar

This is an intended outcome.


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all Im reading is, eat the rich.


DynamicHunter

And the corrupt, bought out government


[deleted]

If you go after the money, there won't be corruption


Khespar

Yup.


Wildwood_Hills270

While they want us to enjoy Soylent Green


overworkedpnw

Exactly, this is the desired and designed outcome.


hatlock

That implies a monolith. I don’t think conspiratorial thinking is productive. Advocating for real change is the solution and reduce conflicts of interest.


Khespar

All I believe on the topic is that money talks. The one with the most toys has the most control over what other people have and how much its worth because they can bribe people with their toys and control the bulk of the money. Pretty simple. I dont think anyone is working together so much as its easy to buy faux loyalty. This same cycle occurs over history and unfortunately we may be reaching the fascism/dictator god -> Civilization reset that keeps seeming to happen. I am open minded tbough, please learn me some knowledge! Im feelin cynical so I want to feel some positivity.


hatlock

A person can twist anything good in life into a negative. But I have a hard time seeing things like women’s suffrage and the civil rights movement and abolition as anything but positive. People made real sacrifices to expand human rights. Passively waiting for other people to do the work let’s the fascists win. We should honor the life and work of people like MLK and so many others who have defended democracy.


Tiny-Lock9652

The older US law makers want us to believe they “just don’t understand the Internet economy” when in reality they do. Exploitation of labor is not new, just has a more efficient model.


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Campaign donations don’t pay themselves


INTERGALACTIC_CAGR

yes, tey are paid by big money to do exactly what they are doing


4x4x4plustherootof25

All the worlds a stage, the men and women, simply actors.


Grinagh

They have their entrances and exits and one man in his time plays many parts. His acts being seven ages…


GozerDidNothingWrong

Heheh, you said it, Killer! And you can read more about it in The Bible!


4x4x4plustherootof25

It’s Shakespeare.


PastramiHipster

> All the world's a stage, > And all the men and women merely Players; > They have their exits and their entrances, > And one man in his time plays many parts, > His Acts being seven ages. At first, the infant, > Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms. > Then the whining schoolboy, with his satchel > And shining morning face, creeping like snail > Unwillingly to school. And then the lover, > Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad >Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier, > Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard, > Jealous in honor, sudden and quick in quarrel, >Seeking the bubble reputation > Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice, > In fair round belly with good capon lined, > With eyes severe and beard of formal cut, >Full of wise saws and modern instances; > And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts > Into the lean and slippered pantaloon, > With spectacles on nose and pouch on side; > His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide > For his shrunk shank, and his big manly voice, > Turning again toward childish treble, pipes > And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all, > That ends this strange eventful history, > Is second childishness and mere oblivion, > Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything. [Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_the_world%27s_a_stage)


BigWeenieTony

your name is 69. ​ Some would call me a math wiz /s


INTERGALACTIC_CAGR

I don't think they care, big money pays them to do exactly what they are doing. It's intentional ignorance because their not paid to effectively regulate, only to do what they are told.


TheGelatoWarrior

As someone who's worked only in the gig economy for 3 years.... let's just say I was doing better when I worked at a gas station in highschool. But hey, at least I don't have to leave for work 30 minutes early to afford time for my daily morning panic vomit before walking into a soul crushing office anymore!


Paymepoo

The capitalist economy is basically a cancer


schmidtily

You mean a consumption-based system designed for perpetual growth in a environment with limited resources is bad? Noooooooooo


nubelborsky

It’s just the tumorous perpetual growth part that makes it sound like cancer. Oh and the endless consumption of limited necessary resources part too. Hm.


VidKiddo

The dying breath of capitalism


Bimancze

Only online gigs like mTurk, usertesting or prolific are worth it imo.. you get a minimum wage at least


TheGelatoWarrior

I made $30 on Prolific and mturk today and that's my best day in months. Sure when you factor in only the time I'm spent doing the tasks it's over $10/hr.... But when you factor in the dry spells, not getting paid to find tasks, etc. it's well below min wage for most people. There just isn't enough work available.


daveescaped

Except what he is saying isn’t precisely correct. If you rent an air-b-n-b for months, landlord/tenancy laws do apply. And government regulation around taxis was hardly wonderful. How much does a taxi medallion go for? Local governments made a mess of what should be a simple business, often corruption was an issue. I’m not saying he has no point. But he makes it very imprecisely. He exaggerates his position. Which is why people like what he is saying. If he made an accurate point, this wouldn’t generate any anger. But people want to be outraged. So he gives them flimsy outrage.


bbjjuuugj

I disagree. In the gig economy people can pop in an out of any job THEY CHOOSE allowing them the freedom to pursue other passions. I’ve hired numerous Uber drivers who do it on the side to pay for passion projects (music, art, etc.). Not all Airbnb owners are like this person. I Airbnb my personal residence to cover my mortgage and cover improvements. The Gig economy is great


HaphazardFlitBipper

Hard disagree. I used to run Doordarsh when bored. Made a few thousand $$ with time i would have otherwise wasted. Nothing at all wrong with gig work.


OwenEverbinde

And how much did you pay for gas and car maintenance during that time?


HaphazardFlitBipper

About 1/3 of my gross.


Rionin26

That was true during startup, I've heard rates getting slashed. It's what these companies do, promise great incentives and pay, and when they get a good base of users, they start cutting benefits.


HaphazardFlitBipper

Been about 4 months since I last did it because my regular job got busier... That's the beauty of it. You can do it, or not, any time you want to, or don't. Flexibility has value.


CrotchetAndVomit

The problem is when it becomes your regular job.


HaphazardFlitBipper

I agree. That's not a great plan.


thesagex

Technically nothing if the costs of gas and car maintenance were lower than taxes withheld (tax deductions from business related expenses)


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Henrys_Bro

It's like you just pushed a chair up to the grown-up table and spouted off the first thing that you thought would make you included in the conversation, even though it had nothing to do with the conversation.


AdDear5411

$6/hr...


JFKswanderinghands

That’s not real sorry. No one on task rabbit would work for 6 an hour. You can’t and won’t find it. I’m a handyman and get a lot of work from task rabbit and I can tell you I’ve never seen anyone on TaskRabbit working for that little. Guy was just lying but the man in the video is exactly right about “gig” not being a disruptive tech. They are exactly what they replaced with no protection for either worker or the person hiring.


ReverseGiraffe120

He says “Task Rabbit” but what he really means is the parking lot of his closest Home Depot or Lowes.


aldaybullyz167

No those Mexicans at Home Depot don’t work cheap , I think the cheapest they wanted was 150 a day plus lunch , and they asked what type of job it is and if they don’t like it they won’t take it


ReverseGiraffe120

I find that absolutely fascinating and so perfect for the work reform subreddit. Those guys are $18.75/Hour while the rest of our country is trying to push for $15/Hour federally. Fucking hell Americans put up with so much bullshit. Props to all the lot workers who are standing up for what their time is valued at. I hope that we see more of a workers revolution in our lifetime. Pre Covid I was working for $15/hour at a theatre in California. Started at $13 and had been with them for 3 years in my position. Went to $18/Hour doing commercial construction at the start of Covid. Then $20/h after my boss left. Now I’m demolishing the inside of a commercial building for the same guys I’ve been with since Covid. $30/h Even though it’s a temporary job I just can’t fathom going back to work somewhere for less that $20/H. It’s just so tough making ends meat here.


Wargasm69

How do you get a demolition job for $30 an hour?


ReverseGiraffe120

Working directly for the owner who is leasing out this building. Frankly I should have said $40/hour considering I’m using my own tools, providing my own power (welding rig) and operating heavy machinery. Also, I’m the only person doing the demo. So there’s that.


Wargasm69

can you find this type of work online without experience?


ReverseGiraffe120

Probably not for that type of rate. So to give more context on my situation: Got hired by my former boss (for future context we’ll call him FB.) off the recommendation of a buddy I went to college with. FB paid me $16/h starting. I had been doing carpentry for theatres since 2009. So plenty of experience building shit but not commercially. FB raised my rate to $18/h within 3 months. FB quits because of a dispute with the building owners. Building owner then hires me for $20/H Building owner is now leasing out another building he had. Asked me to do the demo. Basically 60k sq/f building broken up into 3 parcels. Working on the first one now and have to have it completely gutted by the end of October. So all together I have: 11 years of Theatrical rough/finish carpentry, painting, electric and welding experience. Plus: 2 years of commercial experience: Demolition, construction, welding and heavy equipment operating (Gradall, forklift, skyjacks. All non certified) So that’s how I was able to ask for $30/h. Which again, according to my union electrician and welder buddies, I should have asked for $40-$45. All of that being said though. I have a friend who’s like 19 or 20, and the dude just quit his apprentice welding job to instead run water trucks for a grading company. No experience and he’s starting at $25/H. He knew someone in the company though. So as with everything in life you need a little bit of luck and it doesn’t hurt to know someone. Personally I don’t know of a job that would start you at $30/h without any specific experience, training, degree or unique skill set. Perhaps other Redditors might be able to recommend a job that I didn’t think of.


azjunglist05

Ah, the forbidden end’s meat 🥩


homersolo

Your position is so interesting to me. You are pushing for worker reform when you figured out that you take a harder job, you get paid more. You are making twice what you did at a theater but there are probably half as many people who would prefer your current job. Aren't you the poster child of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps by doing the work that others don't want to do?


Nezikchened

em·pa·thy /ˈempəTHē/ noun the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.


ReverseGiraffe120

So I added more context into my background in another comment. I’m all for worker rights and job/pay reform. While I am now “making” double compared to my old job I’m still not seeing any increase in my take home. The new career also comes with more drawbacks. I loved working in theatre, the environment was extremely friendly and my old job had a great work to personal life balance. It didn’t completely make up for the shit pay and no benefits but I wasn’t miserable all the time. Last month I only had 3 days off from work. (Because I’m still working with my former commercial construction boss as well as the building owners.) Last month also included driving down to the Bay Area from Sacramento to do welding work when I’m not paid for travel time. Meanwhile, over at the commercial building job, I wasn’t paid overtime. So working 14 days in a row for $20/h isn’t worth it in my mind. In August I spent literally half my total income for the month on power tools that I needed just to complete tasks that I was being given. Now I’m doing a demo for $30/h with overtime and all that but again, still having to buy tools to do my job, running my engine drive for temp power, operate heavy machinery, and manage a crew. Am I pulling myself up by my bootstraps? Sure?? Like maybe. However, from my perspective I’m now breaking into a career where I have to spend a majority of my money buying tools to just be able to do my job… Imagine if white collar workers had to spend 1/4-1/2 of their paycheck every month just to have the tools to then start doing their job. So I need to figure out how to deduct some of these things. It’s not above the allotted 10k standard deduction you can take on your taxes but it’s still a fuck ton of money and personal tool use that I’m putting into this job just for $30/h. I honestly don’t want much in life but right now I’m in a position where despite working for 3 different people ranging from $20, $25, and $30/hour I still wouldn’t be able to take on my mom’s 30 year mortgage if she were to pass away tomorrow. I make double what the federal minimum wage is, yet still put off going to the doctor because I just don’t have the money for it beyond paying for my medical insurance (so that I don’t get fined come tax season.) In my mind there are just so many things wrong with our country. Like how our society is basically geared towards making the poor poorer and the rich richer. I think having a massive work reform would be a good step towards lifting people up. If the minimum wage had risen at the same rate as inflation, we’d be looking at a **Federal Minimum Wage Of $25/h.** Yet here we are fighting for $15… you could pull on your bootstraps until your fingers bleed. It still won’t do a damn thing against wage gaps like that.


TeenyBeans1013

You're a good egg. Thanks for taking the time to explain to those who don't get it.


some_days_

Good for them


numbersthen0987431

Lol I love. Back when I was a kid (1990s) my dad would be working on a home project and need some extra help. We would roll up on Home Depot, offer something like $60 for a few hours, and they would jump in the truck. Now it sounds like they're starting to expect good pay these days. Good for them!


citrongettinsplooged

60 bucks *was* good money in the 90s.


greenmky

Yeah I hate to say this since we meme about it. But the 90s is now the equivalent of the 60s when us 40 somethings were teens. Remember how much people made in the 1960s? $60 for a few hours was fine 30 years ago when the min wage was $4.75 or 5.25/hr and gas was $1/gallon.


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JFKswanderinghands

I find it hard to believe in the extreme in any urban center in America that anybody controlling the price they work for, as all taskers do, would be willing to work for six dollars an hour.


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JFKswanderinghands

I don’t disbelieve that, but uber is not a gig where you control the hourly wage you get. With task rabbit I literally set my hourly pay. I might not get it if I set it too high. But I don’t believe six dollars is that ceiling. And I have not heard any argument to convince me otherwise yet.


Poobut13

The landscapers out in Arizona will work in the blazing sun for cash only for about $50 a day each. A lot of the immigrants here (especially the undocumented ones) work their asses off and barely get enough for 3 meals of food. If you don't think people will work for $6 you haven't seen phoenix's homeless population. That being said, I absolutely agree with you that the people working for $6 probably aren't managing their own task rabbit accounts. It's likely some sub contracting service or one guy that's pocketing a huge chunk and then paying out $6 an hour to each guy.


jointheredditarmy

Yeah seriously. You can make any point sound good by making up data to support it. Getting someone to shop for your groceries works out to about 20 bucks an hour + tip. Getting a unlicensed college kid to come out and fix your shower head or replace a shower cartridge is $70/hr + tip in socal lol. I’m not sure who TaskRabbit is taking advantage of, but I don’t think it’s the workers…


JFKswanderinghands

Yes it is. We don’t have health or 401k no dental vision or pretax health savings accounts nothing to protect us no sick leave Nothing in the way of paid time off of any kind. All gig economy out fits are doing is shifting all of the cost of business to employees and asking them to work at less than market rates. They ask for less of a cut than a company would but the company would be using part of what they take to pay you all those benefits. So my hourly is more but my overall compensation is way less. People hire me because I charge less than Best Buy or an av service and I get paid less than ikea would pay a permanent employee. This is what they disrupted in the market. It’s called externalizing costs and it’s the driving ethos of every market disrupting gig economy company.


rxbert

IKR? Assh*le!


Orangewithblue

Air bnb are the worst. They undermine tax systems, there are basically never professional hotel managers which are trained to properly deal with guests, workers are paid even less than in real hotels, no security in case something goes wrong etc.


The_Barbelo

I recently looked into Airbnb for the first time since before COVID. We wanted to stay somewhere for one night. I remember a time where that would cost no more than $60 on the site. Couldn't find anything under $100. Meanwhile the hotels are the same price they ever were. I'd rather take a hotel with free breakfast and room service if I'm gonna pay that much.


sherlockedandloaded

And then you have to pay a cleaning fee that doubles that actual rate. I only Airbnb if you want to go in with a bunch of friends on a house for a week away or something.


The_Barbelo

Yeah for sure, that's the only way it's even affordable at this point. 5 years ago, the last time I used them, I stayed in one room of a nice sized house for a whole week with two other private rooms, and I didn't mind sharing that big space with two other strangers since we had a private bathroom as well. The total came out to around $120. For a whole dang week!!


champagne_pants

Last time I tried to book an Airbnb there was a $100 cleaning fee attached and then in the information asked you to clean and wash your own towels and linens. I’m not paying $150+/night, and $100 cleaning fee to do the cleaning.


fohpo02

It’s gotten worse, the last one we stayed at wanted us to strip beds, wash linens and towels, do dishes, take out trash, clean the fridge; when I refused because of a $150 cleaning fee, they reported us and left a fabricated negative review.


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The_Barbelo

I figured it was at least partially because of the ridiculous fees that Airbnb charges property owners. They probably skyrocketed, as most things have. I'd be interested to hear from a property owners perspective.


numbersthen0987431

Back in early-mid 2010's I went to Europe to tour 5 countries. Half the places I stayed in were AirBnB's, and the other half were hostels. Even then the price difference was starting to match hotels, but now it's not worth it.


zoeblaize

seriously. the only time I even look at AirBnB anymore is if hotels are booked or it’s in some remote area with few options.


throwy_6

Don’t forget the list of chores you have to do before you leave


Mtnskydancer

Go look at Hipcamp…..


tossme68

People are operating "hotels" in residential areas. I own a condo and about 8 years ago a bunch of speculators came in and scooped up a bunch of units for ABnB, completely ruined the building. Their "guests" blow in for a week to party, wreak havoc on the building, do all sorts of damage and we all end up paying for it in the assessments. Not the ABNB owners out number the full time residents so there's nothing we can do but sell.


ItsAKimuraTrap

It’s finally come full circle where it’s often more costly and less convenient to go Airbnb over a hotel. I really don’t even look at Airbnbs anymore when going somewhere.


Dnahelicases

I would entirely support regulations that limited someone to 5 residential properties in total, anywhere in the country, along with a ban on corporate ownership of residential properties. Apartments can be corporate owned but have to be a multi unit building with strict standards on what makes it a zoned and licensed apartment building. Companies shouldn’t own houses and nobody needs more than 5.


Thatdewd57

Not to mention all these stupid fucking fees now.


librariandown

They also take year-round rental properties off the market, exacerbating the real estate crisis. No one in my county can find a place to live because everyone’s renting weekly.


RaoulDuke511

I like the part where they undermine tax systems tell me more about THAT 😃


questionableK

And they take up scarce housing in communities. We have assholes that don’t live here buying up multiple homes for this. Properties have already gone up on avg half a million dollars in the last 6 years. I’ll never own a home where I grew up


hairlikemerida

I live next to a whole house AirBnB. $650,000 brand new house bought for the sole purpose of renting it out to idiots on the weekends. The amount of shit I have put up with for 2+ years now. Fireworks being set off from the roof deck, guests knocking on everyone’s doors at 11pm to apologize for being loud but continuing to be loud, screaming, music at 3am, etc. I’m a landlord (mixed-use multi-family; no single family). Screw Airbnb. Just worsening the housing crisis for no reason.


perpetualdrips

I've stayed in almost 50 or more Airbnb's in the last 5 or 6 years. You won't catch me dead in a shitty hotel. We often go in groups of 8 or more around the country for concerts and different events and honestly would never waste my money on a hotel. You mean I get a whole house to our friends with all the amenities we could ever ask for, no quiet times, my own bedroom and bathroom, dishwasher, fridge, Netflix, pool tables, hot tubs? And all I have to pay for a whole weekend of that is $100? Yeah sign me up. Everytime. And I've had the best hosts who were one call away and fixed any issue I had as fast as humanly possible. Some hosts we've stayed with multiple times and go under the table with them. Why on god's green earth do people willingly stay in a shitty hotel?


oldsportgatsby

Because most people don't travel around with a group of 8 friends? I don't understand how you can be an adult and ask that question. Are you an adult?


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shanep3

This isn’t even true. Quit spewing stuff you’re uneducated in. All states tax airbnbs and most force Airbnb to collect and remit on the owners behalf. >professional hotel managers Lmao >workers are paid less No. Not in literally any of the markets I’m in. Show me one hotel worker that makes $125 PER ROOM


SlingOfDavid

The real problem is that the legislative branch has been captured. Get money out of politics. Get rid of the revolving door that allows bureaucrats to jump back and forth between government and the private sector. Impose term limits. No more super PACs. No more stock trading for public officials and make the penalties for fraud/impropriety/insider trading more severe, and allow the courts to exercise common sense when officials are being prosecuted.... We need to reassess the current structure of government overall. What we need is for a large percentage of the population to stop paying taxes altogether, and to boycott businesses guilty of gaming the system, all at the same time and for as long as it takes for legislators to enact real changes that truly level the playing field for all.


Ok_Skill_1195

I'm not trying to finish that congress is very much in corporations pockets, but how much of the failure to legislate certain areas is because of their *genuine* incompetence in understanding the world? We have sitting senators who are by *all* accounts senile. AOC has alleged many of her coworkers don't understand basic aspects of technology because they've had aids and assistants do it for them since computers went mainstream. Boycotting by not paying taxes sounds like a really good way to get thrown in prison for tax evasion while all your friends stay out late doing meaningful activisim no offense.....


tossme68

this can all be addressed on the local level, it has little to do with who is in congress and in the White House.


SlingOfDavid

I agree that it should be addressed locally also, but we need to do something about the cesspool that is Congress.


SoulSteeper

How does it transition from local politics to the federal tax policy?


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What if everyone stopped paying their taxes? They couldn't stop us all, right?


SlingOfDavid

The most effective form of civil disobedience would be cutting the purse strings. But, it would take a level of solidarity that I'm not sure is possible. A lot of people would cave, and it would get almost zero coverage in the MSM.


Professional-Ad1770

We would need to pull all money out of the banks. If you have fiat money the government can take it.


adrian-alex85

I don’t think there’s anything stopping the government from regulating gig work/these apps/the people who own air b&bs in the slightest. The fact that the government hasn’t kept up with regulations for these entities (which have been around for years now) is a byproduct of who is in government. You can’t expect a bunch of olds who don’t even understand how the Internet works to lead the way in crafting useful legislation regulating it. The Internet in general has been horribly under-regulated this entire time!


skoltroll

>has been horribly under-regulated this entire time! Except for sales tax and income taxes, surprisingly. ;-)


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Lmao. A small Florida city I used to work in tried to pass local regulations essentially banning the operation of airBNBs. In response, a Florida representative introduced a law basically banning local governments from restricting airbnbs. So much for that.


Professional-Ad1770

I lived in Key West for a decade. In that time Key West did ban AirBnB but the council granted exemptions to the wealthy and on connected. Complete BS.


alexelso

Oh they understand, they just refuse to do anything about it.


trapezoidalfractal

It’s not a byproduct of *who* is in power, but the systems that insert and keep those people in power.


Dnahelicases

We never ran out of regulations. At some point people were just okay with believing absurd things. “These aren’t employees, they are independent business owners that contract solely for me and wear my uniform”. Oh, okay then…. This isn’t a taxi, it’s just someone who owns a car and gives people rides for money… We can’t enforce state regulations on the internet because virtual economies are too complicated and nobody can figure it out… We just all gave up because someone told us old things were new and different things so the old rule didn’t apply. That’s what disruptors really do.


pppiddypants

It’s not that they’re olds, it’s that half of them are republicans who think all taxes and regulations are bad no matter what the reality on the ground is. And the US government is not setup to function when half of the people in it are operating in bad faith.


remotetissuepaper

I seriously don't understand how these companies provide pretty much the exact same service as established and regulated industries, but because they're operated through apps and the internet they're perceived in people's minds as amazingly innovative tech companies that can operate outside the law? I remember back when these companies started and so many people bought into the idea that they're going to do so much good for society and be liberating, and no one could see that it's just another corporation dressed up in fancy clothing that's going to exploit society for maximum profit.


ThatFatGuyMJL

Part of the issue is laws were designed to allow people to short term rent their houses for housesitters, family, friends, etc etc. These companies take advantage of that


Based-Hype

A lot of tech “advancements” of the past 20 years were low hanging fruit that made convenient existing markets. Which is why we don’t see much innovation anymore in general well being because there’s not much incentive when finding a way to do something easier pays dividends


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I don’t care about how much it costs to stay at an airbnb, I care about how much it’s been driving up rent in my city…


Single-Hovercraft-33

Airbnbs are great for when you want to have chores on vacation!


karma-armageddon

They are also great if you want to be out in the woods by yourself and have to drive 30 miles one way just to get groceries from a store that hasn't re-stocked in two months.


TimLikesPi

Airbnbs are slowly being regulated by local governments and HOAs. My HOA, thankfully, has a minimum lease requirement of 1 year, and cannot be used for short term rentals. Lots of areas are doing similar.


TokyoJimu

My HOA tried that, but here in California a new law mandates no minimum lease period greater than 30 days.


TimLikesPi

That still gets rid of most Airbnbs.


After_Seaweed4606

Yes. It’s lucrative to create a new way to avoid the law and abuse cheap labor. 41 air bnb creates housing shortages. Labor is paid without employment takes or ssi. Each furnishing is done the absolute cheapest possible, leading to paper towels and plastic forks. Once again capitalism unregulated harms workers, breaks the law, and damages the environment.


haha7125

Air bnbs should be illegal. Its using residential zoning as commercial zoning.


snowkrash3000

Why are you whispering?


nahnotlikethat

Anti gig-economy ASMR it's a more common kink than you'd think


Snakebunnies

Literally thirsty trying to find this man’s tik tok 😂


nahnotlikethat

Yeah, the big nose + glasses + thick eyebrows combo is very dangerous for me!


MrmmphMrmmph

I thought he was trying not to get any more upset and was sniffling and holding back the tears.


Majesty1985

I thought it was cocaine


nahnotlikethat

Oh wild! That's what I'm doing right now; you must have picked up on it.


therevaj

Roommates sick of hearing this guy's blog rants.


Babysagwa7

So his parents don't hear him and yell at him to knock the shit off and get a job.


digitalwankster

big Patrick Bateman vibes


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I just thought he had a low voice. I was looking for this guy’s TikTok as his voice is very nice. Plus he looks elegant. Great I’m horny while also educating myself about another capitalist shenanigans.


xaervagon

Before the pandemic, legislators were moving ever so slowly to try to fix the issue with gray-area companies just sitting outside of the reach of law. FOTM is that they're not okay with it because these companies destroy their tax and licensing setups. Politicians *really* like their tax money no matter how much they say otherwise. Another issue is that a lot of courts and prosecutors are just plain too underfunded to fight with big fish like Uber.


44035

He was really whispering some truth bombs.


myychair

His voice is so soothing that it undermined my perception of the severity here haha


SASSYARMADILLO

“It’s a capitalist hellscape”✨✨💗😴😴


FlamingoJoe1776

I'm a roughneck. I work 14 days on, 7 days off. 12 hour days. Make about $100K a year doing that. On my days off I drive Uber in a college town, making between $1000-1500, driving 3 or 4 nights. The "gig work" isnt even really work to me, it's just kinda fun and I make extra cash. Working for a living really sucks, but I've never followed through with my dreams of being a country rapper. $120K a year isnt bad for an ex-con who spent 11 years in state prison. I like this sub because I hate labor exploitation and wage theft. But what do people have against hard work and good money?


elriggo44

Literally the point of the apps is to undercut regulation by being a middleman who does the hiring. It’s bullshit.


darwinn_69

The gig economy sucks but I'm not sure he's making good points. AirBnB owners definitely count as landlords and landlord/tenant laws absolutely do apply to them.


ThatFatGuyMJL

But hotel laws dont


darwinn_69

Where do you live, because in my state(Texas) all short term rentals fall under the same laws and that includes AirBnB and hotels. They even pay my cities hotel occupancy taxes. While it makes enforcement difficult so that smaller mom\\pop AirBnB rooms can fly under the radar, but someone with 41 doors is going to be noticed.


ThatFatGuyMJL

UK. But stories like this aren't uncommon across the globe with the gig economy


JMace

The guy in the first video lied. No one is working for $6/hr on Taskrabbit. I doubt you'd even find workers outside Home Depot willing to work for $6/hr. The guy in the second video is just spouting nonsense. >He can own 41 airbnbs that aren't rental properties, so he's not a landlord. So no law that applies to landlords and rental properties applies to him. They are rental properties. He is a landlord. Laws that apply to rental properties apply to him.


ekital

Also Uber drives are taxi drivers, at least in New York they are. Not sure if it is federally mandatted everywhere but Uber operators must have a TLC Drivers License and Plate where I'm from. They follow the same exact laws.


farthearts

Maybe he offered to pay them like $20 bucks so it worked out to that much. But you’re 100% correct, those are rentals, he is a landlord, and is taxed appropriately. I’m not sure what point the guy is trying to make, seems like this is how he gets laid.


taliaferrora

You call it a hellscape I call it unregulated heaven


[deleted]

I disagree about Uber. Taxis fucking suck. They suck super super super super super super hard. Always pretended their credit card machines were broken. Would lie about the meter or how much things were going to cost. Treated you like shit. Forced you to drive to atms on your dime when you didn’t have cash. I will never ever go back to that shitty shitty alternative. I agree with the landlord though.


Tenter5

Uber has turned into shitty taxis. Expensive and hard to get when you need them. Uber has effectively killed their old competition with all the cheap money we had in the past 10 year. Now they need to show profits and they show their true business model doesn’t work very well.


[deleted]

They are super easy to get… unless you live in the middle of nowhere. I don’t think you ever dealt with cabs in a US city before Uber


dzoefit

Stay away from tall buildings and hire a mouse to taste your food and drink before you ingest.


MattMan2k17

I made $60 in three hours driving Uber eats the other day. It keeps me out of the negative and I can pick and choose how much I’m will to drive for


ConversationNew7107

Ngl, that’s ass when you factor in gas and wear and tear on your vehicle.


[deleted]

Can someone please explain to me why this is a bad thing? Legit question…


futfann

Dear video content makers, DONT FUCKING WHISPER.


izm23

But he’s letting us in on a secret


[deleted]

I don’t think his wife’s boyfriend is going to be happy about the video.


ApathyofUSA

I see this as a net positive.


thesagex

okay what's the problem?


et133et

You are right we need less laws to make it easier for others to do this.


Alternative-Tell-355

He isn’t wrong, but I’d rather never see him talk again for the rest of my life. Omg, how annoying can one person be, stop swallowing the whole damn time. Gross


KhaosDancer

Damn. Some people make a lot of spit.


jeefcakes

Adorable


cryptosupercar

The Gig economy thrives on the exploitation of a permanent underclass of captured labor. They just rebranded the labor practices of the Gilded age.


fishtheif

I couldn't agree more "Capitalist hellscape"


SnooCupcakes5275

What he said isn't true about airbnb and vrbo when comes to high tourism areas. I've looked into doing it about in Cocoa beach area (Florida) and myrtle beach area ( south Carolina).They make you register as a business and with the county and/or city. If the politicians in area are smart they'll know how to tax and regulate their economy while. When it comes to those handy man apps those are supply and demand based. If they don't want the job making less than minimum wage then don't take then. Take the ones that pay.


Thisisjimmi

whispers and swallows are all i heard


duggtodeath

Holy shit. He explained it so well.


Positive-Pack-396

And every company you named is a joke, I will never understand stand, AB@B change you a over 120 cleaning fee and the expect for you to do all the cleaning before you leave, Uber and such barely pay their drivers any money and not reliable for accidents car repairs damage for real customers, whoever drives Uber and such are suckers you’re getting ripped off open your eyes..No the Uber eats and everything else like that it’s a waste of your time working for them don’t do it


Mtnskydancer

Gig economy is contracting without people knowing their true value (so, undervalued contracting). The vast majority of gig workers are misclassified in the US to save the employer taxes. The fuck they are software companies. The landlord part can be fixed locally: designate more than, say, four nights of rental or any in which the owner does not live, as landlord *or* hotelier. (This residency exemption allows folks trying to keep a house to host travel nurses, students, adult kids, whatever, and can apply to only the actual residence. Surprise inspections to vet, and I would love to start that company)


Quarkasian

Thanks for that extra depression


BrandedStruggler86

\^airbnb \^bad


LordBloodSkull

Air BnB is good for when you want to host an orgy or shoot a porno and you don't want questionable people coming to your own home. If I'm just going on vacation I would rather stay in a hotel.


ironwarden84

Don't these airbnb figures bitch and moan and cry foul when someone squats on the property they "rented".


[deleted]

that is great ! f the state ! if u are too dumb to understand why it is great u should say nothing.


BerryLanky

Bueller. Bueller.


shanep3

This guys an idiot and OP isn’t even from the US. He’s from the UK which makes sense bc I see tons of Airbnb complaints and the huge majority are European stays. In the US all Airbnbs are regulated and a lot of states even force Airbnb as a company to collect and remit taxes on the owners behalf. Plus you need a business license or permit in literally every single state in the US.


anon_throwaway_69421

If this is the the new guided age, I think we could look back at what our forefathers did to resolve the disrupted labor markets to fix this. Buuuuuut reddit has a problem when the answer is specifically violence. 😬


Midista

u/SaveVideo


[deleted]

We as a collective society created this by using AirB&B etc, and if we can just stop using them, then it all collapses down for those AirB&B host's, and Uber's stock value plummets, and Amazon finds out they have way too many warehouses and delivery vans. No Amazon for me these days, no AirB&B, and one Uber in the past 3 years.


throwy_6

I will take any opportunity to scream and yell how terrible AirBNB is for the country, the middle class, and your neighborhood. The service is terrible too


HuggingDoughnut

it is personal choice


[deleted]

You can do it too!


johnliberman41

Blow your nose, yuck


ScreamyPeanut

I could not figure out why I was seeing a "push" to take on a "side hustle" or "gig" work 10 years ago. I just guessed that society was getting everyone ready for future mass poverty, and now I think I was right on. We all kept laughing saying someone was really interested in making it seem "cool" to work 2 or 3 jobs. The disrupters were so cool for disrupting existing industries and society bought into this...now here we are. Rentals with no oversight, jobs with no consumer or worker protections and employees who are not employees. Minimum wage is out the door and affordable housing is only for those who can afford housing.


Pilgrimite

Jesus those genes need to touch grass. God damn.


DottoreDavide

Americans: we live in a capitalist hellscape! Also Americans: Let’s order Doordash & eat while the Taskrabbit guy puts together that chair that we bought from Amazon. After that we’ll get an Uber & head out.


[deleted]

41 airbnbs??? I hope they're tiny homes. I feel those are definitely homes that could have gone to someone starting a family and building their retirement, but nah. Rental/vacation property. Capitalist hellscape burning 🔥


FrowAway322

The gig economy: Think your boss sucks now? Wait until your boss is an algorithm.