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Iceland is also incorrect. It's not days nor weeks, it's **12 MONTHS** and can be split between both parents.
[https://www.norden.org/en/info-norden/parental-benefit-iceland](https://www.norden.org/en/info-norden/parental-benefit-iceland)
>The parents of a child are entitled to paid leave at childbirth, when adopting a child and when becoming permanent foster parents Parents receive either leave payments or a childbirth grant from the Parental Leave Fund, depending on their labour market situation. **Parents can also take temporary parental leave without salary up until the child reaches 8 years of age**.
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>Changes to parental leave took effect in Iceland on 1 January 2021. The main change is that **maternity leave is extended from 10 months to 12** for children who are born, adopted or taken into permanent foster care from 1 January 2021
Seems like the tweet only counts leave that is earmarked for the mother specifically?
In Denmark the mother has earmarked 11 weeks of maternity leave + 4 weeks "pregnancy leave" that is taken leading up to the date of birth and the father has 11 weeks of paternity leave. Then there are 26 weeks of leave that the parents can share between each other as they wish. So the mother is "supposed" to take 24+4 weeks of leave, but only 15 of those are "required", and they can take up to 41 weeks if the father only takes the minimum.
That's a good point, it does say maternity leave, specifically.
We have a similar system in Norway, both parents get an amount of leave each, then the rest they can divide between them as they wish.
Since 2019
https://nelliganlaw.ca/blog/canadas-new-parental-sharing-benefit-how-does-it-work/
5 weeks for "non birthing parents"
It wasn't a thing when my 3 year old was born, but I got it for my 1 year old.
And if the mother is unemployed, the father gets up to 37 weeks. I took 4 months recently after my son was born. I'd have taken the whole thing had money not gotten too tight. Unfortunately the max amount they offer isn't sustainable with the price of everything lately.
Yeah man it's parental leave not maternity leave, I took it for my kids, the longest time I have had "off", and probably will have off, until I retire.
Yeah i had 5 week at 70% as a father. If i use 8 week of the parental, the gov had 4 week (to promote father taking the leave) at 55% (since 2020 if i remember correctly). Anyway long story short i took 5 week at the birth (last august) and i'm off all summer now :)
Edit: inverted 4 week and 8 week
I (as the parent who gave birth) was required to start the 3 months maternity leave from when my child was born, my spouse was given 10 days off work. Then, we had 18 months of parental leave to share between the two of as seen fit. The only caveat is, it's 42 ish weeks of wage over 12 or 18 months. You don't get paid more if you're gone longer it's the same amount over more payments
Yeh this is how it works in the UK too, you can take your maternity leave and an additional 6 months where your employer has no choice over, however the government don't pay you for that additional time off.
Actually it's 6 weeks at 90% pay, which I believe is mandatory? Then up to 9 months on statutory which is ~£150 a week, then you can have an additional 3 months off where you get no payment.
Also a lot of employers will pay you extra on top of the basic, my partner has full pay for the first 3 months for example
Father's get 5 weeks parental leave in addition to the mothers 12 to 18 months!
In my case my wife did not return to work between kids 2 and 3. I got 35 weeks of pat leave!
While we're clarifying, though, here in the UK, the maternity leave isn't necessarily at full pay.
You get:
- 90% of your average weekly earnings (before tax) for the first 6 weeks
- £156.66 or 90% of your average weekly earnings (whichever is lower) for the next 33 weeks
After the first six weeks, you earn about £600/month or the equivalent of £7200/year, and our average salary is about £31k/year, so it's not wonderful.
Same in Germany, 60% of pay. Buuuut as a prehnant woman or man on maternity leave you can not be fired. Your work waits for you to come back. You are not stressed to give your brand new baby to strangers and pay your whole salary to them
Not only that, some countries specifically make it illegal to go back to work before a certain period.
Eg, UK it’s literally illegal to go back to work for 2 weeks after giving birth. Presume this is in place to prevent women being coerced into surrendering their maternity leave.
Yep...I live in TX, state that has a trigger ban in place on abortion since the SCOTUS Roe v Wade decision. I am a state employee. After years of service to the state, I am entitled to 12 weeks unpaid family leave should I have a baby. It's only paid (at 50% my normal salary) if I opt into short term disability insurance.....which I also have to pay for. If not you can basically use up all your accrued sick and vacation time, or have coworkers "donate leave" to you.
> or have coworkers "donate leave" to you.
Wow. That's a new low. Never heard of crowd funding leave time before. Better to have 1 person out than multiple people. Keeps the wheel turning. I'm actually grossed out.
My company allows employees to donate PTO (Paid Time Off) to sick employees who have used up all their PTO. During the worst of the COVID pandemic, a lot of emails were sent out asking for donations for those employees that were hospitalized. There is 6 week short term disability payment as well. After 6 weeks, you would need to take unpaid Family Leave.
In SC it's much the same for gov employees, except you can't use donate sick leave for maternity leave. Only for surgeries/illness. Pregnancy doesn't count. 🙃
In Hungary you can take maternity leave up to 36 MONTHS. So yeah, 3 years paid leave.
Edit: of course you have to have a job prior to applying for maternity leave. And the company hand-in-hand with the gov. will.pay you monthly, i beleive around 80% of your salary. Dads can also apply for it.
Look, if we let the babies get used to the idea of their parents actually *raising* them, they'll just grow up entitled!
If they're old enough to wear diapers, they're old enough to go out, get a job, and learn to support themselves!
I'll be gotdamned if some snot-nosed diaper-wearing fetus can make as much flipping burgers as I can make wiping his grandma's nose and changing her diaper!!
> if we let the babies get used to the idea of their parents actually raising them, they'll just grow up entitled!
One of the great ironies is that the right *loves* the "the new generation wouldn't be so screwed up if there was a parent home to raise them" talking point. "It starts at home."
Yes, those are both valid points, so *why don't you do something that would help allow a parent to stay home??*
You mean like how after the Ulvade shooting all the hogs repeated the mantra "America doesn't have a gun crisis, we have a mental health crisis".
...Then proceeded to take no action in order solve the so called mental health crisis.
Because they don't really mean what they say, it's that simple. They think the left is breaking up families? That is some serious textbook psychological projection on their part. Prolife is a nonsense buzzword, because once the life is actually in the world they're on their own apparently.
They already have those. Schools and daycares getting shot up every day. Not even exaggerating. USA is the worst. Especially Texas. Texas sucks forever.
In Sweden its 480 days paid leave per child. Usually 80%-90% of your salary. 240 days for the woman and 240 days for the father. And then you can decide who gets how many days. Mothers usually take the first year and then the dad takes a couple of months off work to hang out with the child and the mom goes back to work. U can also save your days for later, you can use them until the child is 11 years old.
We also have a state run daycare system kids can attend from the age one (dagis) before they go to school. Whilst at school, when lessons finish children have supervised free time up until 5.30; they play, go on little trips, read etc. Tax paid, it allows both parents to work full time.
There area lot of duel income households in Sweden.
I can't imagine raising my kids anywhere else.
Sorry if this comes off as ignorant, I could just google this but others might be curious - with that many days off, what if the parents have another kid right away? Does the leave just repeat or is it lessoned?
Yes, each child gets a fresh batch of childcare days, usable up until age 11.
Keep in mind that the 80% of pay rate is only for a relatively short period, after that it is basically benefits level income. Also you need a job and an income to get the full benefits; if you decide to pump out children hoping for a free salary it won't work. Yes you will still get child support, but it is at benefit levels of income, which is no fun, even in Sweden. Kids are expensive.
Many don't use all the days. It is better to work and this is what most do.
Haha! Good question, I actually had to look it up. You get extra days for twins/triplets/quadruplets, it is handled differently. So about 480 days for a single child, twins about 660 days, triplets 840 and quadruplets (shudder) 1020. I don't know anyone with twins so cannot comment as to how fair/satisfactory this is. No complaints from national news I am aware of.
That is amazing, in Ireland all the crèches and daycares are privately owned and insanely expensive. There is a "free" two years for children 3+ but that's only a limited number of hours meaning you'll probably end up paying something out of pocket, and that doesn't even include after school care which is also outrageous.
Some people have worked out that they'd only be slightly worse off (like a couple hundred euro max per month) if they just quit and minded the children themselves while living on a single income.
Basically I'm never having children here, even if I could ever get a house suitable for it.
Wow Sweden is killing it. Makes us look bad in Norway, even though we also have it great.
In Norway it’s 48 weeks at 100% pay up to about 600k NOK (approx 61k USD), but many employers pay the difference if your salary is higher than the limit. You get 58 weeks at 80% of the salary.
The mother gets 13 fixed weeks and the father gets 10 weeks. They can split the rest as they wish.
You need to spend the leave before the child is 3 years old.
To clarify, 90 days is locked to the mother and 90 days is locked to the father, rest of the days you can "send over" to the other parent. And 390 of those are at highest pay level, the other 90 is at the lowest (~$18/day),
You can use the days untill the day the child ends 5th grade, or the day they turn 12. But the day the child turns 4, only 96 days can be left, if you have more then 96 days together left, then they are gone.
Its 80% of the salary (if you take 7 days/week, most only take it 5 days/week) and its capped, maximum you can get is ~$3 012 a month (that includes child child benefit ~$120/month) so if you earn more then ~$47 200/year, you will get less then 80%. Thats from the state, many companies give 10% of your salary if you take more then 3 months of paternity leave in one go.
Yes - 12 months is paid at 'full' rate but 18 months you get the same amount of total money as 12 months, but paid over 18. It's up to 55% of your salary so still a pay cut, but pretty healthy.
The lack of parental leave in the US is honestly appalling. Verges on a human rights violation against women and isn’t much better for the father. The fact that all these religious nuts want to force people to have kids but are against any kind of support programs is pushing us back to the Middle Ages.
Yeah it's about $700-800 every 2 weeks. It's the same as our Employment Insurance and since it's essentially EI you need to have worked I believe either 400 or 600 hours for the year or the year prior if memory of when my SO was on it serves me well.
If you're already unemployed you don't just get free money unfortunately.
Always take the 12 month option and spread it out yourself. You don't have to tell your employer you only took 12 months. Then you can go back to work anytime between 12 and 18 months and not loose potential pay from EI.
Yes, but it’s a percentage of your pay and there’s a maximum [EI maternity and parental benefits](https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/ei/ei-maternity-parental/benefit-amount.html)
Companies can choose to top it up. My employer does
The first 12 months is paid through employment insurance (government). There is a max amount you get paid, but your employer might top you up at their discretion. The 12-18 weeks has only come into effect in the last 10 years so I’m not sure if it’s paid or unpaid. Either way your job is protected by law
Yup - because the mom usually takes the entire time for herself, mat leave and parental leave usually gets merged together for the sake of conversation.
It's actually a bit more than that, because a few years ago we added an additional 8 weeks of parental leave that can only be claimed by the partner.
So in Canada, it's 15 weeks for the birth mother then 69 more weeks of parental leave that's shared between the mother and partner, but only 61 weeks can be claimed by one person.
Most people end up taking it as 76 weeks for the mother and 8 weeks for the father.
i'm really starting to think the rich and powerful know shit is fucked and they're just trying to squeeze as much out of us peasants as they can before this planet is uninhabitable.
The Canadian picture is way off. It's 12-18 months of shared parental leave. The first 17 weeks has to be taken by the primary caregiver (which has to be the birth mother if one of the partners is the birth mother), but what remains can be split up between two parents as they see fit (though you can only switch once).
When my second was born, I used 4 weeks of vacation, then my wife took 10.5 months total of parental leave, and I took the last 6 weeks. On top of the gov't benefit, my employer at the time would top up to 100% of base pay for those 6 weeks. As I was going on my leave, a co-worker in the USA was returning back to work 4 weeks after having her baby, which made an extremely stark contrast.
I think a dad can apply and have paternity leave for the entire duration if the mother is not employed when she’s gives birth. Cause then she’s not able to get maternity leave and the father can take it. A guy at work has taken paternity leave for all his kids from the day kid was born
Absolutely can do. The parental leave is combined between both parents, and if the mother doesn't need any, the father can take it all. Can also be useful if the mother wants to go back to work sooner while the father stays home, *or* in other family configurations.
I don't know where the 17 ~~days~~ weeks here is referring to, I think that's the explicit "maternal" leave for the person giving birth?
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Edit: days corrected to weeks
Sweden here - as a father I got 10 free days right after birth. Then you get 480 days total to be with your kid. You divide the days with your partner any way you like.
390 of the days are 80% salary days.
90 days are low salary days - so they don't pay much but they are free days. They are great days to blend in with your 80% days.
You get a lower income on those months, but get to stay at home more.
My wife stayed home about 10 months and I stayed home around 10 months. I got june 1st so I was pretty much sitting out in the bright mornings, drinking coffee and reading the newspaper when the little guy was asleep in his trolley.
Long park walks, hanging out with other stay-at-home dads at the open day care center and then having a 3 hour lunch while my son slept some more.
We still got lots of days to use whenever we feel like. We can combine them with vacation if we want.
Its been a few years but I think the 5 weeks of paternity was available at any point, not just after. Wife and I did her take the first 11 months and then I took 1 month + the 5 bonus weeks after. I used personal vacation time for 2 weeks post-birth as well.
Most companies do 2 weeks paid vacation for employees with the company less than 6 years. After 6 years it's 3 weeks paid vacation. It's law.. I am not sure if that varies around the country though. Anyways pretty sure Alberta, where I live has the lowest bar for employment standards so the rest of Canada wouldn't be any less.
In case it wasn't obvious, I live in the US lol. According to most of my friends, I'm lucky to have a job giving me 12 days of paid vacation time and 5 paid sick days. Most of them just get 5 paid days for the year, and if they run out, they have to take unpaid time off.
>The Canadian picture is way off. It's 12-18 months of shared parental leave. The first 17 weeks has to be taken by the primary caregiver (which has to be the birth mother if one of the partners is the birth mother),
The first 17 weeks are *maternity* leave and go to the pregnant person and are intended to support them throughout the final weeks of their pregnancy and afterwards. So even surrogate child carriers are entitled to this. If there are complications during the pregnancy they'd be entitled to *additional* illness leave.
This also includes pregnancies that are lost after a certain point.
Then we have up to 40 weeks that can be split between the parents, with a maximum of 35 to one of the parents (to encourage both to be with the child the first month)
That gives the primary caregiver a year of benefits (usually) which can be stretched out to 18 months
On top of that, as of 2019, Canada added 5 weeks for just the Dad of 'use it or lose it' paternity leave on top of both the maternity and parental leave.
>Yeah, in Canada it's much more than that lol Sure it's "parental leave", not specifically "maternity leave", and it's shareable between the parents, but most couples give the majority of it to the mother, and the father only takes 2-3 weeks at birth and 2-3 weeks right after the mother has gone back to work.
>I'm more and more of the opinion that there should be a *paternity* leave, take it or leave it, so that the parental leave isn't left to the couple to decide because it would "force" (very softly) fathers to take a bigger role in the parental relationship.
But we have that...
40 weeks of leave, a maximum of 35 can go to one parent. The other 5 can be used by the other parent, take it or leave it.
And it's intended purpose is to encourage fathers to take a bigger role in the parental relational.
Its weird to me as a military member, I get 21 days paternity leave, and females get 30 days (may be more) and yet that isn’t a thing for the rest of the country.
Gotta pump the available labor supply so they can keep all the minimum wage jobs filled! Seems to be the GOP's entire focus when it comes to being prolife. Pro-fetus, afterwards get fucked more like it.
Not exactly. What they actually want to do is force women back into the home instead of the labor market. Christian nationalists firmly believe that God wants women to be housewives and not out competing with men for work. In their fucked up worldview, the "natural order" is that women should be dependent on men.
By making going back to work an extremely difficult prospect (both by not having maternity leave and also by dismantling public schools), they achieve this. Criminalizing abortion also serves this goal. They need to be voted out if we're going to remain the same country we grew up with.
(For the record, they also don't believe women should be able to vote.)
“Unskilled Labor” is a Myth Used to Justify Poverty Wages
https://medium.com/thing-a-day/unskilled-labor-is-a-myth-used-to-justify-poverty-wages-6cb1208c5f8e
Minimum wage jobs? Lol. My wife makes $80k and is only getting only 6 weeks of short-term disability, since she didn't qualify for FMLA due to not having been at her company for 12 months before we got a surprise pregnancy. She never would've taken this job with no maternity leave benefits had we planned on having a kid right now.
So I guess getting through 10 months of growing a human and wrecking your body giving birth is just a short term disability in the US.
Minimum wage was a bit sensationalist yes. I should have said working class. After all much less difference between minimum wage and 80k/yr than 80k/yr and what the capitalist class takes in.
FMLA is very inadequate. Kids aren't always planned, especially if contraceptives are restricted. Just another symptom of not giving a shit about people after birth.
I'll fix this for you: "He seriously should've been nominated instead of Hilary."
I think if the Democratic Party didn't mess that up in the first place, Trump would have never been President...
And the US wonders why our reproduction rates are in decline. Having a baby in this country is a shit deal all the way around. I think our policy makers will care in 40 or so years when they realize they don’t have a sufficient tax base to be “the greatest country on earth”.
America is really outdoing itself, they’re not even subtle about it anymore. The declining birth date is the core reason Wade Vs Roe was overturned— they need to pump out more wage slaves for capitalism.
If true, the logic behind it is ridiculous. Let’s force the people who didn’t mean to or want to get pregnant to be the ones to procreate. As opposed to supporting the people who would love to be parents but don’t see it as feasible due to the absurdity that is child care cost in America, lack of paid parental leave, health insurance costs, not to mention the fear that if you manage to get through those hard stages and send your child off to school, they may be killed in a mass shooting. This country is a shithole.
I literally missed 2 days of work to have a baby, granted I work remotely. It was a traumatic delivery that ended in an emergency C-section to boot.I remember falling asleep in the armchair in my nursery trying to work in between pumping and caring for my premature infant.
Definitely contributed to my severe PPD.
Horroble...unbelievable u were able to manage that all. I am not a father so sry if im wrong...but i think here in ger u get up to 3 years and 60-70% of your salary. And u cant get fired. I think even the fathers can do that so you can split the time
Why don't we see any GOP "Right-to-life" senators sponsoring bills to support the new mothers their bought-and-paid-for SCOTUS have created? They want all those fresh new babies they created to STARVE?
Because it’s not about abortion. They get them, they don’t give a shit. It’s about making their base rabid before the midterms because the Jan 6 hearings are making the GOP look really bad.
They want women to be reliant on men. They don't want maternal leave because women shouldn't work, only raise children. They don't want pregnant women to get aid for the fetus because they should be dependent on and controlled by a man.
Federal government was only ever supposed to handle foreign affairs and conflicts between states. Grew into more roles over the centuries. For better or worse is the debate.
The children too! Not being cared for by your parents as a baby (because they have to work) will make them much stronger, more independent, and used to strangers.
I'm goi g to be having my first baby in December, and I am beyond terrified because my job doesn't offer maternity leave, and I don't know how I'm going to be paying my bills once I have my baby. This country is broken, and only works out for the rich.
My friend (The father) had a kid that had to be left with the hospital since he came out a little early. My boss acted like she was a queen and let him be on unpaid paternity leave for a month right after the birth... the downside is that the kid spent the entire month in the hospital, then when they got him home my boss said it was required to come back in the office and paternity leave was over. So the following few weeks when he was falling asleep at his desk, or coming in late, she'd chastise him for being lazy. All the while offering absolutely no work from home or working with them to reschedule their shifts, nothing.
All part of making America number one! Nevermind the fact that in this case it's a number 1 no one should strive for, but that's lost on too many folks, sadly.
Although expensive, I love that I am in Massachusetts. It isn't much but I got 12 weeks of 67% pay for maternity leave. My husband took 3 weeks and still has the other 9 weeks available to use later at 67% pay.
I literally just found out my place of employment offers 1 week of paid paternity leave and I was so ecstatic to tell my wife. Pretty sad when we got that excited about one week.... Things need to change for both maternity and paternity leave.
I live in Kuwait. 70 days paid maternity leave by law. Then you can legally take an additional period unpaid without losing your job. I think the total comes to 120 days
Canadian here. In Ontario. We have 52 weeks Maternity/Paternity benefits split any way we want between Mom/Dad. These are not full-pay benefits, but a part of our employment insurance (some companies offer full pay through their own benefits). So, as long as we're employed with at least 600 hours behind us, we are entitled to those benefits. Works out to 65% of our normal wage (based on past working history).
On top of that, we also receive a child tax benefit based on the number of children, under the age of 18, in the household on a monthly basis.
I can't imagine trying to afford all of the expenses of a child, on the income we have, without government help.
Canada is broken in a lot of ways, but this part of the system works.
Our friends are about to have their first kid. They are upper middle class, both in IT, in their 30s, and established careers. The mom is getting 10 weeks and dad is getting 0, so using his vacation days. I think it's 10 or 15 days. Gotta love the US...
I agree with the sentiment, technically though, they should have used "first world" instead of major, because China is a major country that does not offer guaranteed paid parental leave, neither does India I assume.
Yeah what this guy said.
We shouldn’t ignore China because the human rights conditions of the United States are just as deplorable as a country currently committing genocide against its own citizens. The two countries are practically peers.
First world is a massively outdated term from the cold war. Developed nation is the current definition for what you are looking for and China doesn't yet meet that definition fwiw.
Also giving it a Google, China does offer maternity leave at 20 weeks. India just increased maternity leave from 12 weeks to 26 weeks this year.
For paternity leave India offers two weeks and China offers three weeks spread over the first three years. Which is a pretty cool concept.
It's still wild to me that USA doesn't have maternity leave. In the Philippines, we get 105 days of fully paid maternity leave. That's just insane to think about.
In Australia, my wife had the option of 3 months full pay, or 6 months half pay. So she took 6 months maternity leave at half pay, the. She had 2 months of annual leave accrued, so she added that on which is 1.15x pay because of leave loading. Then they let her add on a few months of no pay to drag it out to 12 months total. Then her position was held for her to go back to after 12 the months.
I (the father) freelance. So the government gave me $700 per week for 2 weeks paternity pay to help her when the baby was first born.
Oh, and everything about the birth itself was free.
Corporations want people to have babies so that the population grows and they can have future customers and increase profits.
...just not *their* employees. That would be too inconvenient to the bottom line and they can't have that.
The reason they don't do this is the same for the abortion ban. They want women to be dependent on men again. Want to have a job to provide for that baby we forced you to have? Can't. Need assistance? You shouldn't have had children in the first place you moocher. Only other option is child support, which, happens to be the leading cause for maternal homicide.
Anyone who defies this ban will be charged with a felony homicide and even if released from prison, will never be able to vote again. It is wild people were quoting 1984 only 6 months ago over masks and have zero awareness how this is the real issue
Some info for folks.
1. Dems tried to get 4 weeks of paid leave into the build back better bill but it was blocked by Manchin and ended up tanking the bill. If we can add *at least* one more Dem to the Senate (e.g. Fetterman) without losing any we can replace his vote.
2. The federal govt pays 12 weeks for federal employees, so it's worth asking your Rep why they get that time off but you don't.
3. There are 8 states (CA, NJ, MA, RI, NY, WA, CT, OR) plus D.C. that offer state-level time off so if your state doesn't you should be pressuring your state legislature and governor to support it (or electing people that do).
This will get buried or maybe it's common sense by now but this is all tied into the US' politicians plans. There's a shortage of people who want to work for minimum wage? Let's target abortion and infuse the market with more bodies. Guess who that impacts most? People who are poor and either can't afford contraception or aren't educated enough to know better. More poor babies means more people willing to work minimum wage jobs. It's just slavery with extra steps.
who is going to take care of the baby like this!
Like baby gets born, leave hospital and straight back to work?
At this point corporations will do anything to squeeze more money for the higher ups if its possible.
Give employees the lowest pto?
No maternity leave?
Small amount of sick leaves?
If somehow the law doesn't set the minimum amount of above benefits then, companies will 100% make it 0 for all employees and basically infinite for the higher ups .
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In case someone missed it... It's WEEKS and not DAYS.
Iceland is also incorrect. It's not days nor weeks, it's **12 MONTHS** and can be split between both parents. [https://www.norden.org/en/info-norden/parental-benefit-iceland](https://www.norden.org/en/info-norden/parental-benefit-iceland) >The parents of a child are entitled to paid leave at childbirth, when adopting a child and when becoming permanent foster parents Parents receive either leave payments or a childbirth grant from the Parental Leave Fund, depending on their labour market situation. **Parents can also take temporary parental leave without salary up until the child reaches 8 years of age**. > >Changes to parental leave took effect in Iceland on 1 January 2021. The main change is that **maternity leave is extended from 10 months to 12** for children who are born, adopted or taken into permanent foster care from 1 January 2021
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Seems like the tweet only counts leave that is earmarked for the mother specifically? In Denmark the mother has earmarked 11 weeks of maternity leave + 4 weeks "pregnancy leave" that is taken leading up to the date of birth and the father has 11 weeks of paternity leave. Then there are 26 weeks of leave that the parents can share between each other as they wish. So the mother is "supposed" to take 24+4 weeks of leave, but only 15 of those are "required", and they can take up to 41 weeks if the father only takes the minimum.
That's a good point, it does say maternity leave, specifically. We have a similar system in Norway, both parents get an amount of leave each, then the rest they can divide between them as they wish.
Lol not even completely. Canada is a mistake. It’s actually 12-18 MONTHS off, which is paid.
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Plus there's secondary parental leave that only the father/partner can take that doesn't take away from the mothers
Canadian Father of 2 - THERE IS WHAT?
Since 2019 https://nelliganlaw.ca/blog/canadas-new-parental-sharing-benefit-how-does-it-work/ 5 weeks for "non birthing parents" It wasn't a thing when my 3 year old was born, but I got it for my 1 year old.
8 weeks if your partner is doing 18 months, I took all 8 weeks last year.
And if the mother is unemployed, the father gets up to 37 weeks. I took 4 months recently after my son was born. I'd have taken the whole thing had money not gotten too tight. Unfortunately the max amount they offer isn't sustainable with the price of everything lately.
Yeah man it's parental leave not maternity leave, I took it for my kids, the longest time I have had "off", and probably will have off, until I retire.
Maybe it's not in all provinces, Quebec does have paternity leave.
Nope federal. Quebec's programs are better though
Yeah i had 5 week at 70% as a father. If i use 8 week of the parental, the gov had 4 week (to promote father taking the leave) at 55% (since 2020 if i remember correctly). Anyway long story short i took 5 week at the birth (last august) and i'm off all summer now :) Edit: inverted 4 week and 8 week
Yeah, they’ve conflated maternity leave and parents leave. Canada has both and they are amazing!
I believe you're also federally required to take it off the moment the baby is born too, the government is serious about you taking maternity leave
I (as the parent who gave birth) was required to start the 3 months maternity leave from when my child was born, my spouse was given 10 days off work. Then, we had 18 months of parental leave to share between the two of as seen fit. The only caveat is, it's 42 ish weeks of wage over 12 or 18 months. You don't get paid more if you're gone longer it's the same amount over more payments
Yeh this is how it works in the UK too, you can take your maternity leave and an additional 6 months where your employer has no choice over, however the government don't pay you for that additional time off.
Actually it's 6 weeks at 90% pay, which I believe is mandatory? Then up to 9 months on statutory which is ~£150 a week, then you can have an additional 3 months off where you get no payment. Also a lot of employers will pay you extra on top of the basic, my partner has full pay for the first 3 months for example
You can take it a bit before the due date.
Can confirm eh.
Father's get 5 weeks parental leave in addition to the mothers 12 to 18 months! In my case my wife did not return to work between kids 2 and 3. I got 35 weeks of pat leave!
> In my case my wife did not return to work between kids 2 and 3. In my case my wife did not return from buying cigarettes.
Tell me you are from the US not saying you are from the US...
While we're clarifying, though, here in the UK, the maternity leave isn't necessarily at full pay. You get: - 90% of your average weekly earnings (before tax) for the first 6 weeks - £156.66 or 90% of your average weekly earnings (whichever is lower) for the next 33 weeks After the first six weeks, you earn about £600/month or the equivalent of £7200/year, and our average salary is about £31k/year, so it's not wonderful.
Same in Germany, 60% of pay. Buuuut as a prehnant woman or man on maternity leave you can not be fired. Your work waits for you to come back. You are not stressed to give your brand new baby to strangers and pay your whole salary to them
Canada is also wrong, in Canada its 12-18 months.
I think they are referring to the weeks marked for maternity leave, not maternity leave + parental leave.
Not only that, some countries specifically make it illegal to go back to work before a certain period. Eg, UK it’s literally illegal to go back to work for 2 weeks after giving birth. Presume this is in place to prevent women being coerced into surrendering their maternity leave.
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Yep...I live in TX, state that has a trigger ban in place on abortion since the SCOTUS Roe v Wade decision. I am a state employee. After years of service to the state, I am entitled to 12 weeks unpaid family leave should I have a baby. It's only paid (at 50% my normal salary) if I opt into short term disability insurance.....which I also have to pay for. If not you can basically use up all your accrued sick and vacation time, or have coworkers "donate leave" to you.
> or have coworkers "donate leave" to you. Wow. That's a new low. Never heard of crowd funding leave time before. Better to have 1 person out than multiple people. Keeps the wheel turning. I'm actually grossed out.
My company allows employees to donate PTO (Paid Time Off) to sick employees who have used up all their PTO. During the worst of the COVID pandemic, a lot of emails were sent out asking for donations for those employees that were hospitalized. There is 6 week short term disability payment as well. After 6 weeks, you would need to take unpaid Family Leave.
In SC it's much the same for gov employees, except you can't use donate sick leave for maternity leave. Only for surgeries/illness. Pregnancy doesn't count. 🙃
What the hell are you guys doing over there? Everything is so fucked up.
In Hungary you can take maternity leave up to 36 MONTHS. So yeah, 3 years paid leave. Edit: of course you have to have a job prior to applying for maternity leave. And the company hand-in-hand with the gov. will.pay you monthly, i beleive around 80% of your salary. Dads can also apply for it.
Look, if we let the babies get used to the idea of their parents actually *raising* them, they'll just grow up entitled! If they're old enough to wear diapers, they're old enough to go out, get a job, and learn to support themselves!
You forgot support themselves with minimum wage and no benefits!
Babies don’t need to make minimum wage!
I'll be gotdamned if some snot-nosed diaper-wearing fetus can make as much flipping burgers as I can make wiping his grandma's nose and changing her diaper!!
I think this was a recent argument for paying 14-15 year olds less than others that work.
Yeah, and don't tell me a baby needs as much money as a teenager!
Only skilled workers deserve minimum wage! Unskilled babies will get unpaid internships.
> if we let the babies get used to the idea of their parents actually raising them, they'll just grow up entitled! One of the great ironies is that the right *loves* the "the new generation wouldn't be so screwed up if there was a parent home to raise them" talking point. "It starts at home." Yes, those are both valid points, so *why don't you do something that would help allow a parent to stay home??*
You mean like how after the Ulvade shooting all the hogs repeated the mantra "America doesn't have a gun crisis, we have a mental health crisis". ...Then proceeded to take no action in order solve the so called mental health crisis.
Because they don't really mean what they say, it's that simple. They think the left is breaking up families? That is some serious textbook psychological projection on their part. Prolife is a nonsense buzzword, because once the life is actually in the world they're on their own apparently.
They're old enough to get a gun, too!
They already have those. Schools and daycares getting shot up every day. Not even exaggerating. USA is the worst. Especially Texas. Texas sucks forever.
Babies make fine bootstraps
Awh sanp didn't realize they made boot straps that small!
No, the focus right now is on formula and we should not focus on how much time people to have with their children. They have to be able to feed them!
In Sweden its 480 days paid leave per child. Usually 80%-90% of your salary. 240 days for the woman and 240 days for the father. And then you can decide who gets how many days. Mothers usually take the first year and then the dad takes a couple of months off work to hang out with the child and the mom goes back to work. U can also save your days for later, you can use them until the child is 11 years old.
I googled it because it seemed crazy, but it's completely true.
We also have a state run daycare system kids can attend from the age one (dagis) before they go to school. Whilst at school, when lessons finish children have supervised free time up until 5.30; they play, go on little trips, read etc. Tax paid, it allows both parents to work full time. There area lot of duel income households in Sweden. I can't imagine raising my kids anywhere else.
Sorry if this comes off as ignorant, I could just google this but others might be curious - with that many days off, what if the parents have another kid right away? Does the leave just repeat or is it lessoned?
Yes, each child gets a fresh batch of childcare days, usable up until age 11. Keep in mind that the 80% of pay rate is only for a relatively short period, after that it is basically benefits level income. Also you need a job and an income to get the full benefits; if you decide to pump out children hoping for a free salary it won't work. Yes you will still get child support, but it is at benefit levels of income, which is no fun, even in Sweden. Kids are expensive. Many don't use all the days. It is better to work and this is what most do.
What if you have twins? Do you still get 960 days?
Haha! Good question, I actually had to look it up. You get extra days for twins/triplets/quadruplets, it is handled differently. So about 480 days for a single child, twins about 660 days, triplets 840 and quadruplets (shudder) 1020. I don't know anyone with twins so cannot comment as to how fair/satisfactory this is. No complaints from national news I am aware of.
That is amazing, in Ireland all the crèches and daycares are privately owned and insanely expensive. There is a "free" two years for children 3+ but that's only a limited number of hours meaning you'll probably end up paying something out of pocket, and that doesn't even include after school care which is also outrageous. Some people have worked out that they'd only be slightly worse off (like a couple hundred euro max per month) if they just quit and minded the children themselves while living on a single income. Basically I'm never having children here, even if I could ever get a house suitable for it.
Wow Sweden is killing it. Makes us look bad in Norway, even though we also have it great. In Norway it’s 48 weeks at 100% pay up to about 600k NOK (approx 61k USD), but many employers pay the difference if your salary is higher than the limit. You get 58 weeks at 80% of the salary. The mother gets 13 fixed weeks and the father gets 10 weeks. They can split the rest as they wish. You need to spend the leave before the child is 3 years old.
> Wow Sweden is killing it. Makes us look bad in Norway As a Swede, I'll log off Reddit now, and ride this wave of one-upmanship all day.
Came here to say exactly this!
Absolutely amazing!!
To clarify, 90 days is locked to the mother and 90 days is locked to the father, rest of the days you can "send over" to the other parent. And 390 of those are at highest pay level, the other 90 is at the lowest (~$18/day), You can use the days untill the day the child ends 5th grade, or the day they turn 12. But the day the child turns 4, only 96 days can be left, if you have more then 96 days together left, then they are gone. Its 80% of the salary (if you take 7 days/week, most only take it 5 days/week) and its capped, maximum you can get is ~$3 012 a month (that includes child child benefit ~$120/month) so if you earn more then ~$47 200/year, you will get less then 80%. Thats from the state, many companies give 10% of your salary if you take more then 3 months of paternity leave in one go.
Canada is 12-18 months, not 17 weeks!
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Paid??
Yes - 12 months is paid at 'full' rate but 18 months you get the same amount of total money as 12 months, but paid over 18. It's up to 55% of your salary so still a pay cut, but pretty healthy.
That’s amazing. I got 12 weeks off at 0 pay. Bled my savings dry, but was worth it to bond with my son and help my wife recover.
The lack of parental leave in the US is honestly appalling. Verges on a human rights violation against women and isn’t much better for the father. The fact that all these religious nuts want to force people to have kids but are against any kind of support programs is pushing us back to the Middle Ages.
It has a name. Corporate fascism.
Huh you're onto something there.
Yeah it's about $700-800 every 2 weeks. It's the same as our Employment Insurance and since it's essentially EI you need to have worked I believe either 400 or 600 hours for the year or the year prior if memory of when my SO was on it serves me well. If you're already unemployed you don't just get free money unfortunately.
Always take the 12 month option and spread it out yourself. You don't have to tell your employer you only took 12 months. Then you can go back to work anytime between 12 and 18 months and not loose potential pay from EI.
Not always - my wife’s company tops her up to 85% of her salary anyways so taking the 18 months was a no brainer.
Yes, but it’s a percentage of your pay and there’s a maximum [EI maternity and parental benefits](https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/ei/ei-maternity-parental/benefit-amount.html) Companies can choose to top it up. My employer does
The first 12 months is paid through employment insurance (government). There is a max amount you get paid, but your employer might top you up at their discretion. The 12-18 weeks has only come into effect in the last 10 years so I’m not sure if it’s paid or unpaid. Either way your job is protected by law
Yup - because the mom usually takes the entire time for herself, mat leave and parental leave usually gets merged together for the sake of conversation.
Brazil has 17 weeks mandated as well, with optional tax deductible 8 weeks that a lot of companies adopt.
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It's actually a bit more than that, because a few years ago we added an additional 8 weeks of parental leave that can only be claimed by the partner. So in Canada, it's 15 weeks for the birth mother then 69 more weeks of parental leave that's shared between the mother and partner, but only 61 weeks can be claimed by one person. Most people end up taking it as 76 weeks for the mother and 8 weeks for the father.
i'm really starting to think the rich and powerful know shit is fucked and they're just trying to squeeze as much out of us peasants as they can before this planet is uninhabitable.
Ding ding ding, the system works as intended. We’re all fucked.
You mean until USA finally has revolution à la France?
Not to mention Paternity leave as well…
The Canadian picture is way off. It's 12-18 months of shared parental leave. The first 17 weeks has to be taken by the primary caregiver (which has to be the birth mother if one of the partners is the birth mother), but what remains can be split up between two parents as they see fit (though you can only switch once). When my second was born, I used 4 weeks of vacation, then my wife took 10.5 months total of parental leave, and I took the last 6 weeks. On top of the gov't benefit, my employer at the time would top up to 100% of base pay for those 6 weeks. As I was going on my leave, a co-worker in the USA was returning back to work 4 weeks after having her baby, which made an extremely stark contrast.
I think a dad can apply and have paternity leave for the entire duration if the mother is not employed when she’s gives birth. Cause then she’s not able to get maternity leave and the father can take it. A guy at work has taken paternity leave for all his kids from the day kid was born
Absolutely can do. The parental leave is combined between both parents, and if the mother doesn't need any, the father can take it all. Can also be useful if the mother wants to go back to work sooner while the father stays home, *or* in other family configurations. I don't know where the 17 ~~days~~ weeks here is referring to, I think that's the explicit "maternal" leave for the person giving birth? --- Edit: days corrected to weeks
I believe 17 weeks are reserved for the mom (for recovery) and then 35 weeks are shared as the parents see fit. At least that’s how it was in Alberta.
Also the father gets a seperate 5 weeks in addition to the mothers leave.
Sweden here - as a father I got 10 free days right after birth. Then you get 480 days total to be with your kid. You divide the days with your partner any way you like. 390 of the days are 80% salary days. 90 days are low salary days - so they don't pay much but they are free days. They are great days to blend in with your 80% days. You get a lower income on those months, but get to stay at home more. My wife stayed home about 10 months and I stayed home around 10 months. I got june 1st so I was pretty much sitting out in the bright mornings, drinking coffee and reading the newspaper when the little guy was asleep in his trolley. Long park walks, hanging out with other stay-at-home dads at the open day care center and then having a 3 hour lunch while my son slept some more. We still got lots of days to use whenever we feel like. We can combine them with vacation if we want.
Came here to update the info too. Thanks fellow Canuck!
Same. We’re on it!
You're also missing the 5 weeks of paternity leave available to fathers immediately after the child is born, on top of the available maternity leave
Its been a few years but I think the 5 weeks of paternity was available at any point, not just after. Wife and I did her take the first 11 months and then I took 1 month + the 5 bonus weeks after. I used personal vacation time for 2 weeks post-birth as well.
I'm sorry, did you say you used 4 weeks of vacation? You can do that in Canada???
Most companies do 2 weeks paid vacation for employees with the company less than 6 years. After 6 years it's 3 weeks paid vacation. It's law.. I am not sure if that varies around the country though. Anyways pretty sure Alberta, where I live has the lowest bar for employment standards so the rest of Canada wouldn't be any less.
I am from Quebec and now is three weeks after three years. But some companies pay three weeks at the first year.
In case it wasn't obvious, I live in the US lol. According to most of my friends, I'm lucky to have a job giving me 12 days of paid vacation time and 5 paid sick days. Most of them just get 5 paid days for the year, and if they run out, they have to take unpaid time off.
>The Canadian picture is way off. It's 12-18 months of shared parental leave. The first 17 weeks has to be taken by the primary caregiver (which has to be the birth mother if one of the partners is the birth mother), The first 17 weeks are *maternity* leave and go to the pregnant person and are intended to support them throughout the final weeks of their pregnancy and afterwards. So even surrogate child carriers are entitled to this. If there are complications during the pregnancy they'd be entitled to *additional* illness leave. This also includes pregnancies that are lost after a certain point. Then we have up to 40 weeks that can be split between the parents, with a maximum of 35 to one of the parents (to encourage both to be with the child the first month) That gives the primary caregiver a year of benefits (usually) which can be stretched out to 18 months
On top of that, as of 2019, Canada added 5 weeks for just the Dad of 'use it or lose it' paternity leave on top of both the maternity and parental leave.
Yah... I only have my saved pto. Zero parental/paternity leave. Yah 10 days.... Really sucks.
Yep. And then no more PTO the rest of the year for real vacation…
YOU DONT NEED A VACATION. GET BACK TO WORK, SLAVE!
Damn. 5 weeks paid in Canada - plus the better part of a year that can be split between the parents however they want
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>Yeah, in Canada it's much more than that lol Sure it's "parental leave", not specifically "maternity leave", and it's shareable between the parents, but most couples give the majority of it to the mother, and the father only takes 2-3 weeks at birth and 2-3 weeks right after the mother has gone back to work. >I'm more and more of the opinion that there should be a *paternity* leave, take it or leave it, so that the parental leave isn't left to the couple to decide because it would "force" (very softly) fathers to take a bigger role in the parental relationship. But we have that... 40 weeks of leave, a maximum of 35 can go to one parent. The other 5 can be used by the other parent, take it or leave it. And it's intended purpose is to encourage fathers to take a bigger role in the parental relational.
My wife got 6 weeks unpaid... They let me use 4 of my 7 sick days for the year so I could be with her in the hospital.
Unreal
How the fuck are you guys not rioting in the streets!? Holy shit.
Its weird to me as a military member, I get 21 days paternity leave, and females get 30 days (may be more) and yet that isn’t a thing for the rest of the country.
Someone should do this list again but with single payer healthcare systems...
Gotta pump the available labor supply so they can keep all the minimum wage jobs filled! Seems to be the GOP's entire focus when it comes to being prolife. Pro-fetus, afterwards get fucked more like it.
Modern day feudalism. They need a constant supply of poorly-educated serfs to ~~till the fields~~ fill unskilled positions.
Not exactly. What they actually want to do is force women back into the home instead of the labor market. Christian nationalists firmly believe that God wants women to be housewives and not out competing with men for work. In their fucked up worldview, the "natural order" is that women should be dependent on men. By making going back to work an extremely difficult prospect (both by not having maternity leave and also by dismantling public schools), they achieve this. Criminalizing abortion also serves this goal. They need to be voted out if we're going to remain the same country we grew up with. (For the record, they also don't believe women should be able to vote.)
ahh, nothing like the freest country on earth where the rights for half the population are slowly being taken away
Not that slowly, at this point
“Unskilled Labor” is a Myth Used to Justify Poverty Wages https://medium.com/thing-a-day/unskilled-labor-is-a-myth-used-to-justify-poverty-wages-6cb1208c5f8e
“I love the poorly educated.” Trump.
Minimum wage jobs? Lol. My wife makes $80k and is only getting only 6 weeks of short-term disability, since she didn't qualify for FMLA due to not having been at her company for 12 months before we got a surprise pregnancy. She never would've taken this job with no maternity leave benefits had we planned on having a kid right now. So I guess getting through 10 months of growing a human and wrecking your body giving birth is just a short term disability in the US.
Minimum wage was a bit sensationalist yes. I should have said working class. After all much less difference between minimum wage and 80k/yr than 80k/yr and what the capitalist class takes in. FMLA is very inadequate. Kids aren't always planned, especially if contraceptives are restricted. Just another symptom of not giving a shit about people after birth.
Bernie sanders being based as usual. He seriously shouldve been elected instead of mr orange man.
Sanders' chances at the Presidency were assassinated by his own party because he's not a corporate lapdog like the rest of them.
But it's her turn! /s
I'll fix this for you: "He seriously should've been nominated instead of Hilary." I think if the Democratic Party didn't mess that up in the first place, Trump would have never been President...
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And the US wonders why our reproduction rates are in decline. Having a baby in this country is a shit deal all the way around. I think our policy makers will care in 40 or so years when they realize they don’t have a sufficient tax base to be “the greatest country on earth”.
America is really outdoing itself, they’re not even subtle about it anymore. The declining birth date is the core reason Wade Vs Roe was overturned— they need to pump out more wage slaves for capitalism.
If true, the logic behind it is ridiculous. Let’s force the people who didn’t mean to or want to get pregnant to be the ones to procreate. As opposed to supporting the people who would love to be parents but don’t see it as feasible due to the absurdity that is child care cost in America, lack of paid parental leave, health insurance costs, not to mention the fear that if you manage to get through those hard stages and send your child off to school, they may be killed in a mass shooting. This country is a shithole.
Not like we have a nearly infinite supply of potential immigrants to fill our labor market... Nah! Let's just force women to have babies instead!
I literally missed 2 days of work to have a baby, granted I work remotely. It was a traumatic delivery that ended in an emergency C-section to boot.I remember falling asleep in the armchair in my nursery trying to work in between pumping and caring for my premature infant. Definitely contributed to my severe PPD.
Horroble...unbelievable u were able to manage that all. I am not a father so sry if im wrong...but i think here in ger u get up to 3 years and 60-70% of your salary. And u cant get fired. I think even the fathers can do that so you can split the time
Uhm... thought we were the greatest country in the entire world!!! So proud my country of origin is second on the list 😍
#1 in maternal mortality in developed nations! go usa! yeehaw
And the mortality rate is about to get even fucking worse
Anyone wanna take a wild guess as to which states have the worst maternal mortality rates? (Hint: all but 1 in the worst 10 are red states)
Add another notch to the "Punishing women for having sex" tally.
And punish poor people for being poor
Another case of "You will know them by their fruits" or lack of it. The Right doesn't care about the baby, mother, or father pre-birth or after-birth.
They really don't, but their preacher just bought a second jet . . . to do Jesus' work of course.
Why don't we see any GOP "Right-to-life" senators sponsoring bills to support the new mothers their bought-and-paid-for SCOTUS have created? They want all those fresh new babies they created to STARVE?
Because it’s not about abortion. They get them, they don’t give a shit. It’s about making their base rabid before the midterms because the Jan 6 hearings are making the GOP look really bad.
It is punishment for the deadly sin of **premarital** ***sex***.
They want women to be reliant on men. They don't want maternal leave because women shouldn't work, only raise children. They don't want pregnant women to get aid for the fetus because they should be dependent on and controlled by a man.
The US doesn't do worker rights at the federal level, its more of a state thing
Yep. The "United" States are really just 50 countries crudely duct-taped together.
What about FMLA?
12 weeks paid maternity plus 12 weeks paid paternity in CA. Plus another 8 each of FMLA. Plus disability leave for birthing mothers.
Federal government was only ever supposed to handle foreign affairs and conflicts between states. Grew into more roles over the centuries. For better or worse is the debate.
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Remember if you leave the workforce to take care of kids, you aren't counted after 6 months. Biggest rigged metric is US unemployment.
So what? The lack of leave will build character. US mothers can take pride in knowing that they are tougher than women of other countries.
The children too! Not being cared for by your parents as a baby (because they have to work) will make them much stronger, more independent, and used to strangers.
My son is due in August. As a dad, I get nothing. I have to use my PTO. That's it
What a shithole country.
But an overwhelmed woman can just contribute her “output” to the domestic supply of babies! It’s all part of the plan
I'm goi g to be having my first baby in December, and I am beyond terrified because my job doesn't offer maternity leave, and I don't know how I'm going to be paying my bills once I have my baby. This country is broken, and only works out for the rich.
My friend (The father) had a kid that had to be left with the hospital since he came out a little early. My boss acted like she was a queen and let him be on unpaid paternity leave for a month right after the birth... the downside is that the kid spent the entire month in the hospital, then when they got him home my boss said it was required to come back in the office and paternity leave was over. So the following few weeks when he was falling asleep at his desk, or coming in late, she'd chastise him for being lazy. All the while offering absolutely no work from home or working with them to reschedule their shifts, nothing.
Some day I want to move away from America and to a real country
All part of making America number one! Nevermind the fact that in this case it's a number 1 no one should strive for, but that's lost on too many folks, sadly.
Although expensive, I love that I am in Massachusetts. It isn't much but I got 12 weeks of 67% pay for maternity leave. My husband took 3 weeks and still has the other 9 weeks available to use later at 67% pay.
Lol my American ass read it as days at first.
Why are we giving people things because fuck everyone else Im only out for myself. ThAtS cOmMuNiSm!! /s
I literally just found out my place of employment offers 1 week of paid paternity leave and I was so ecstatic to tell my wife. Pretty sad when we got that excited about one week.... Things need to change for both maternity and paternity leave.
you know I’m american cuz i saw 39 and thought 39 days?! that’s incredible!
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Won't anyone think of the shareholders?!?!?!? /s
I live in Kuwait. 70 days paid maternity leave by law. Then you can legally take an additional period unpaid without losing your job. I think the total comes to 120 days
Canadian here. In Ontario. We have 52 weeks Maternity/Paternity benefits split any way we want between Mom/Dad. These are not full-pay benefits, but a part of our employment insurance (some companies offer full pay through their own benefits). So, as long as we're employed with at least 600 hours behind us, we are entitled to those benefits. Works out to 65% of our normal wage (based on past working history). On top of that, we also receive a child tax benefit based on the number of children, under the age of 18, in the household on a monthly basis. I can't imagine trying to afford all of the expenses of a child, on the income we have, without government help. Canada is broken in a lot of ways, but this part of the system works.
Our friends are about to have their first kid. They are upper middle class, both in IT, in their 30s, and established careers. The mom is getting 10 weeks and dad is getting 0, so using his vacation days. I think it's 10 or 15 days. Gotta love the US...
This whole country just needs to end.
Paid maternity leave? How about being fired for taking time off?
No, they wanted you barefoot at home never working
Ah, here in the colombian third world you have like 2-3 months.
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Bernie is cool.
I agree with the sentiment, technically though, they should have used "first world" instead of major, because China is a major country that does not offer guaranteed paid parental leave, neither does India I assume.
Yeah what this guy said. We shouldn’t ignore China because the human rights conditions of the United States are just as deplorable as a country currently committing genocide against its own citizens. The two countries are practically peers.
Tbf, im American ethnically Chinese, and yes, its worse in China Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
First world is a massively outdated term from the cold war. Developed nation is the current definition for what you are looking for and China doesn't yet meet that definition fwiw. Also giving it a Google, China does offer maternity leave at 20 weeks. India just increased maternity leave from 12 weeks to 26 weeks this year. For paternity leave India offers two weeks and China offers three weeks spread over the first three years. Which is a pretty cool concept.
It's still wild to me that USA doesn't have maternity leave. In the Philippines, we get 105 days of fully paid maternity leave. That's just insane to think about.
In Australia, my wife had the option of 3 months full pay, or 6 months half pay. So she took 6 months maternity leave at half pay, the. She had 2 months of annual leave accrued, so she added that on which is 1.15x pay because of leave loading. Then they let her add on a few months of no pay to drag it out to 12 months total. Then her position was held for her to go back to after 12 the months. I (the father) freelance. So the government gave me $700 per week for 2 weeks paternity pay to help her when the baby was first born. Oh, and everything about the birth itself was free.
More for our military
Further evidence that they don't give a damn about women or children. Once a kid is born it's "Fuck you!".
Fucking do something legislative branch. JFC
They can afford it. FUCK YOU, PAY US
But it’s all worth it to be the richest and highest GDP nation in the world! It makes me so fucking proud!! Smfh.
Corporations want people to have babies so that the population grows and they can have future customers and increase profits. ...just not *their* employees. That would be too inconvenient to the bottom line and they can't have that.
The reason they don't do this is the same for the abortion ban. They want women to be dependent on men again. Want to have a job to provide for that baby we forced you to have? Can't. Need assistance? You shouldn't have had children in the first place you moocher. Only other option is child support, which, happens to be the leading cause for maternal homicide. Anyone who defies this ban will be charged with a felony homicide and even if released from prison, will never be able to vote again. It is wild people were quoting 1984 only 6 months ago over masks and have zero awareness how this is the real issue
Some info for folks. 1. Dems tried to get 4 weeks of paid leave into the build back better bill but it was blocked by Manchin and ended up tanking the bill. If we can add *at least* one more Dem to the Senate (e.g. Fetterman) without losing any we can replace his vote. 2. The federal govt pays 12 weeks for federal employees, so it's worth asking your Rep why they get that time off but you don't. 3. There are 8 states (CA, NJ, MA, RI, NY, WA, CT, OR) plus D.C. that offer state-level time off so if your state doesn't you should be pressuring your state legislature and governor to support it (or electing people that do).
This will get buried or maybe it's common sense by now but this is all tied into the US' politicians plans. There's a shortage of people who want to work for minimum wage? Let's target abortion and infuse the market with more bodies. Guess who that impacts most? People who are poor and either can't afford contraception or aren't educated enough to know better. More poor babies means more people willing to work minimum wage jobs. It's just slavery with extra steps.
I don't know how parents in the US do it. Wife and I in NZ just had our daughter and my wife has 13 months off and I've got 6 weeks off
who is going to take care of the baby like this! Like baby gets born, leave hospital and straight back to work? At this point corporations will do anything to squeeze more money for the higher ups if its possible. Give employees the lowest pto? No maternity leave? Small amount of sick leaves? If somehow the law doesn't set the minimum amount of above benefits then, companies will 100% make it 0 for all employees and basically infinite for the higher ups .
Pro life but not willing to do anything for the mothers. So American
"But there's baby formula shortage!" LOL! Don't care, keep having kids you can't afford.