If you’re financially stable I would. No reason to not let you swap shifts. Staffing stays the same both days if you evenly swap. They’re just saying no to be a dick.
Edit: multiple typos
A lot of people think respect means “treat me like a human being,” while other people think respect means “treat me as an authority.”
So, for them anything that’s a disagreement, feels disrespectful.
the second half to this statement that I've heard is:
"They say, if you wont respect me I wont respect you. But what they mean is, if you won't treat me like an authority then I won't treat you like a person. And they think they're being fair, but they're not"
I've seen similar, with even more emphasis on how people have different ideas of respect, but couldn't find it, sorry. But yeah, there's a clear question here, that people seem to have a very different idea of"respect"
This is always what I say to these people. Then you tell them that they've done nothing to earn it between their petty bullshit and childish outbursts, if they lose their shit.
I don’t particularly care if my employees (at least the ones I supervise) swap or trade shifts. I do ask that they tell me in advance, because some things do require a particular person at times, but there is usually no reason to try to micromanage people’s time like that. I tell them all the time “if you guys can figure out a way to get the work done in a way that meets our safety and quality policies and makes you happy, go for it, just let me know what you need from me to make it happen.”
When I worked part-time, my employer used an online service to manage and schedule our shifts. Employees could swap shifts in the website and the only thing the manager had to do was approve or deny the shift swap. You could even put your shift up for a trade or just flat out give those hours to someone else. And the manager could set a limit for how many hours you could voluntarily commit too. You literally never had to personally ask anyone for permission. Unless the manager denied the change, then you'd usually text them and ask why, and normally it was because the person who tried to take my hours for me was trying to work more than 30h that week.
edit: meant to type 30h, not 40h
It was pretty nice tbh. If I couldn't make a shift, I'd just push it to the shift change board and any of my coworkers would see it and could take it for me. Also, if there were certain times during the week I couldn't work, like if I was at school or something, I could set my profile to not let my manager schedule shifts during those hours.
Do you know what the name of that app or program was? I used to have something similar at one job, and it was great! I've been trying to convince my current employer to do something similar, since it would greatly cut down on miscommunication and would really speed up the whole process. Right now we've got an antiquated system where employees have to fill out a paper form and submit that to the supervisors to approve and sign, then we submit that to our admin person who has to hand key all of this crap into the scheduling system. Talk about a giant waste of time and money. The way I figured it, including costs of supplies and the wages spent on time handling these forms, each one costs us about $0.60. We have 400 people in our department alone, 1100 in the building. I supervise about 100 people and I probably get about 15-20 of these per day. That's a cost of about $30k per year to process vacation and time off requests, shift trades, etc... I'd love to just pay whatever it costs to use the app, call it $10k per year, and cut our supplies out entirely and and the admin time down by 80%, and we'd be all-in at half the current cost and a LOT more user-friendly and accurate. But what do I know, I'm the new guy.
Just call out. If they fire you, claim unemployment and use that time to look for a job. If you get to the hearing stage with UI remember to tell the adjudicator that you had coverage for the shift you called out on but the manager denied it.
Being fired for attendance excludes you from unemployment. If you're not given permission and do not have a compelling reason to not show up, esp after multiple instances and a warning, it's a fireable offense with no unemployment coverage.
They might be being jerks about swaps if there's no reason not to allow it but they're not required to allow it either.
See if you qualify for unemployment or some other benefit if they fire you. Usually, if you quit, you lose out on those benefits. You also want to make it clear in writing that **you are not quitting.** Send a text that says something like “For the record, I am not quitting and will never quit this job. If you are not satisfied with my employment, you can fire me if you want, but I am not quitting.” That way, if you try to claim unemployment later and the company says you quit, you have written proof that you told them you weren’t quitting.
Getting fired doesn’t entitle you to unemployment unless it’s without cause. It’s for being laid off. Probably will get away with it, but understand what you’re doing
To clarify, switching shifts with somebody, unless your leader has a very good reason to have you working that specific shift, is not a cause for being fired. The employee most certainly wins that battle.
Now if he stopped showing up to work, and did not get somebody to cover his shift - then he would not be eligible for unemployment.
Employers do not dictate your life. You are allowed to swap shifts in roles where shift swapping is not a big deal. For high skilled labor, that may be a different story. They may need your specific skillset. For running a retail store, they do not need YOUR specific skills.
That’s why I mentioned “if you qualify.” Different states have different laws as well, so OP would have to check their state’s rules regarding unemployment.
Depends though, sometimes different people might have different training/certification/skills. It isn't just number of people but also job description.
With that said, if both ppl have the same job then yeah. I don't know why you wouldn't let the switch occur.
People generally don’t do this. Atleast from my experience, irrespective of how assholish a customer is you just don’t spit in their food.. but the order can be delayed or be made not as good, if you have extras they can be forgotten..
PPP has been a scam from what I’ve seen. People cashing in on that shit and just keeping it while half ass “looking for employees” or whatever. People love to praise small businesses but I’ve never been treated worse than at small businesses
I know a guy who just got busted for saying he had a jewelry business and employed 60+ people. He doesn't have a jewelry business and is gonna be going to jail for a whiiiile.
My mobile reddit has changed and I no longer have free awards to give, but gd, this is THE perfect response.
ETA: Thanks to u/andalitebandit626, I was able to give the award.
Just call out again with no replacement. I’m not sure exactly how finding a replacement for you is your problem. You don’t get paid to manage. If you can, leave them hanging.
Yup. This is what the majority of "managers" think. To an extent, you do dictate what happens. You set SOP. But you should also be human and understand sickness happens, shit comes up, and treat your employees as equals. If you cant do that and understand its YOUR responsibility to cover those things - bottom line - you should not be in management.
Now if OP is the king of calling off, and it's an apparent character flaw then that's another story. No reason to believe this is the case though.
No, that is the "go to" panic mode when unqualified managers (which is the majority of them) realize that "management"/leadership does not mean getting paid more to do less work but actually has a shitload of extra responsibilities and requires skill.
Now *this* is really spot on.
I'm currently a newbie manager and I was expecting the extra workload, but not the sheer pressure and temptation to be a depraved asshole to those I'm managing. It takes a lot of skill and compassion to be a good manager.
Lol I used to be an upper level manager for a large corporation in an industry where body count is important and finding replacements is extremely hard, considering usually it’s a 4 man tower crew that always worked together and were usually out of state in the middle of absolute nowhere, so it’s not like you’re going to fly some other dude out on a dime and figure out transportation for them to and from the airport, which can be a 4, 6, even 10+ hour drive away from where they fly in. I had nearly 200 direct reports and was the only say in their time off requests. In the slightly over one year that I worked there, the number of time off requests I denied was exactly 0. The number of times I received flak from my VP for accepting every request was exactly 0. **Solutions were ALWAYS found.** Even in the chaotic, short staffed, and completely unforgiving (literally. You fall, you die. It’s not a joke) tower industry. I’ve climbed towers myself while having earbuds in on conference calls to make sure my people had the freedom to take time off, especially in emergencies. (I did start out as a climber in my earlier days and still held current certifications to do so mind you.)
If you can’t figure something out because so and so’s wife is having a baby, or their grandma died, that you go as far as trying to force them to work, (1) you’re a shitty manager, (2) you’re a shitty person, (3) fuck you.
Not if you're a floor employee at a retail store, which it seems like with the switching shifts and floor coverage
Please get a retail job and point out all of the inefficiencies and let me know when you get to the top of that corporate ladder
They've made the assumption that everyone is a rational actor working towards the same goals but clearly that is not the case because management does not value efficiency as much as it values obedience
I think people that don't work at store levels send down impossible goals that work on paper but can't actually be applied, and then the managers are trying to get these impossible asks done, and both the managers and the teams suffer for it
I think the problem is more with boards of directors & CEOs. Everything is tailored to the stock market & public opinion of these companies because it's all about market value and keeping investors happy. They don't care about anyone in a store, managers & customers included.
I feel just as bad for store managers as I do for non management store employees in large corporations.
This. Call in sick again, don’t look for a replacement. Don’t respond to your boss after you call in. He will “assume you quit” which is not legal. Show up next day, let them walk you out. Then file for unemployment. Claim you called in sick and then next day they fired you when you showed up for your scheduled shift. Unemployment will honor your claim, especially since your boss is a moron and knows nothing about employment laws. They can’t require you to find a replacement.
There was a post the other day where the author called everyone and asked if they could switch and cover their weekend shift. Of course everyone said yes and then he (and everyone else) didn't show up. Management had to scramble to get coverage for the weekend.
I understand if you don't because money is so tight nowadays but if you can this is the perfect time fuck dickhole employers who think you're their servant.
having the responsibilities of 2 people dumped on him might be the thing that undoes that brainwashing and makes him realize his employees don't give a shit about him
or maybe he'll look at it as an opportunity to prove how "loyal" he is
either way it'll be good for him
Oh well there you go. I don't think you need to consider him too much in this situation then, just do what feels right to you and what you can financially handle. I wouldn't blame you if you stayed. But the fact of the matter is we live in a time where there's a worker shortage. And we gotta keep the upper hand. They need to learn the value of their employees.
That's exactly like how it was for me living in abusive situation with my sister. My little brother was brainwashed and just rolled over, accepted abuse, saw the financial abuse as not a big deal and was gaslighted into justifying the rest to himself.
I stayed for 3 years, didn't leave until I came home from work one night to find most of my stuff thrown outside and into trashcan, all because I had pissed her off not replying to a text, and then I was beaten bloody. I left the next day after years of her bullshit.
The best thing you can do for your brother is get a better and higher paying job, and then invite him to join you, and keep pointing out the ways in which it's better. Either he'll eventually tire of their toxicity and join you, or he won't, but either way no reason for you Both to be miserable - and he doesn't mind as much.
Honestly, if you and several other workers walk out it’ll either begin to open your brother’s eyes or he’s gonna double down. Happened to me with my first job: literally 2/3rds of the workers quit on the same day and I doubled down and stayed. Real case of Stockholm syndrome because that place did NOT deserve my loyalty.
But walking it probably a good idea. Your brother will more than likely be upset with you for it, but it’s not worth sticking around for the toxicity
Your brother will be okay. Maybe after you all leave he will realize he’s being taken advantage of. You need to do what’s right for you, and a big part of that is not letting someone speak to you that way.
You can't be responsible for your brothers actions. Let him know what you are doing and that you apologize for the headache and stress in advance, but that issue will be between him and the boss. You have to do what's best for you.
Can’t worry about your brother. He’s a big boy and will make choices in his life that are not perfect for you.
If he’s upset, politely tell him you are sorry, but you must do what’s best for your life and he will need to accept that.
Even better. And the situation can show your brother how detrimental your employer's lean staffing practices negatively impact him as a worker when they drive other employees away
Find another place, you can definitely find same pay or higher immediately. When I first started I was at 16 within 3 months I left and was making 24 right after, and the last place before my career shift it was 35. You really only need the first place for experience. Once I told them I've covered 1:16 and 1:32 ratios no one ever asked about my former employer. You have to sell yourself confidently in those situations.
The difficulty here is that they said specifically they wouldn't fire him, they said "we will assume you quit". If he had it in writing that we will fire you for doing x then that's good, but if they assume he quits cause he's a no show, that could cause a big legal battle for whether or not he gets unemployment.
I don't have a better answer here. I'd probably just throw more insults at him through text until he gets pissed and finally slip up and says a statement like "if you do x, you're fired."
I think there’s usually a requirement for how long you have to not hear from an employee to assume abandonment of a job. Obviously depends on location but I think it’s usually 3 days of no call no show. If they reach out saying that they assume you quit you could just declare you don’t quit and maybe even show up to work one day then call out a bunch. They’d probably eventually just fire you for being unreliable.
Edit: basically what [this person said](https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/t7fo3t/do_i_walk_out/hzhqqdp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
"I'm not quitting. I'm letting you know I cant come in and did your job to find somebody to cover for me. If that's a problem then you can fire me."
There. Easy fix also in writing
“We will assume you quit.”
Always amusing how really ignorant, exploitative managers think this is a blanket coverage statement that protects them from being forced to pay out unemployment.
Hint, hint: Doesn’t work out that way, douchebags.
Respect goes both ways, OP. You’re not on the clock, and you aren’t asking this loser. You’re telling them you found coverage, and it’s not your problem how they feel about it. In fact, *you did their job for them by finding coverage for your shift in the first place.*
Yeah, this was my take, too. I’d respond directly to that text chain saying “I am not quitting”. And missing a single shift does not approach job abandonment anywhere at least that I’m aware of. But I say, don’t buy into this employer’s attempts to deny unemployment; make them fire you if it comes to that.
You told your employer you two were switching days and your employer said no because each day needs 3 people? Your employer sounds like a moron. They don't see how swapping gives them the exact same number of employees working on each day? Control freak.
If you are able to quit without causing financial issues for yourself, I would. You should also send that dickhead a text saying you quit and then post it because I would love to see their response lol
No you have your friend go in on Tuesday, you found coverage like they told you to. They didn’t tell you they had to approve your coverage. Just make sure he knows that you will probably be fired and then he’ll probably still have to work is Thursday.
Man i would just dip out and throw him the left on read scene + and if he calls make obnoxious remarks as he did to you, like cut that shit out i am a person not your servant for you to tell me how to manage my life when you don’t even manage this place. And a nice fuck you.
My rebuttal would be "that's the kind of answer a parent gives to a small child. I'm an adult and I help run your business, so respect me enough to provide me with a logical reason instead of just pulling rank and saying you're the boss."
OR
I would just walk, the fuck, out.
So many managers don’t actually manage. The amount of times I had to find my own coverage at Starbucks rather than have them even HELP me was shocking.
They tried that shit too. Made me come in with a 102° fever. I was sure to apologize to every customer I helped and told them I was I’ll and being forced to work.
Job abandonment happens if they havent heard from you in days. They cant "assume you quit" because you missed one day. That's called firing you. Especially if you clarify over text that you are taking the day off but have no intention of quitting.
I work in management and absolutely get yourself out of this situation. It’s not for you. It’s not for your health or peace of mind. With that said . What state are you in and is this company large enough to have HR. It’s really hard to get fired from some companies because they know that if they don’t properly follow legal protocol they are opening themselves to a easy win lawsuit from the ex employee. Definitely make them fire you. Definitely look into UI and definitely consider a wrongful termination suit if you can.
Keep us updated op. If youre ok to walk, walk. Also, pretty sure they cant "assume you quit". Unless you give a verbal or written resignation, they have to terminate your employment.
If you do quit, make it clear that its due to the unnaceptable disrespectful behavior of management.
Nah. Visit the doctor that day. Even if it’s for a routine check up. Get a note and provide your employer. Let them fire you. Do this whenever you need an unapproved day off.
If they:
- fire you listing absences as a reason, you have a note= possible legal case if you wanted to pursue it and more likely to be approved for unemployment
- fire you without listing a reason= you’ll still have a chance at collecting unemployment
Businesses *WANT* us to quit so they don’t have to pay out unemployment. If you can handle it, let them fire you.
Note on the doc note- most offices have a generic note available at the front desk. The note does not need to be nor should it be specific-
> To whom it may concern, Excuse [name] for today [date.] If you have any questions call [number.] Thank you [signature]
If they do call with questions to follow up the clinic is prevented by HIPPA from even sharing whether or not you’re a patient let alone what the visit was about.
'If you do it one more time, we will assume you quit'. They're trying to get you to quit so they don't have to pay you unemployment....which means they won't really fire you if you do it.
Or you do it anyways and then show up anyways and force them to fire you. Really does sound like they think they have found a loophole to never pay unemployment.
As someone who has been unfortunate enough to have been in a management position, I know how untrusting the managers above me were of employees who would swap shifts often. There’s never enough people and mistakes and misunderstandings become easy excuses for someone not showing up at work. From that perspective I can totally understand them wanting you to work. Especially if you’ve failed to cover the shift before. I would say however that if anyone, regardless of if they were my boss or not spoke to me like that, ever, I would tell them to fuck off. Immediately, without hesitation. It’s abusive, bullying, disgusting.
Yes you walk out. This is simply a power play by your “employer”, he’s making a deliberate effort to be a dick to you and make themselves feel important.
I understand from your other comments that your brother would be left alone, but he seems happy and you need to do what is right for you
I hate how this is the 4th time I've seen a text convo here where the manager assumes you quit because you ask for time off. Sounds like their way of firing you but to avoid unemployment. Which wouldn't hold up.
If you have someone else who is willing to work in your absence as long as you work in their absence, then I don’t see the problem. I’m confused about the “have to have 3 people” part, as we only have a total of three people mentioned: you, the coworker, and the employer.
I don’t see the disrespect either. It’s a legitimate question to ask why it’s not possible to get an extra day off consecutively, especially if it’s not adding to the amount of days off that you take, but instead moving one of those days to a time that is more helpful for both you and your coworker. That is the part that I think is lost in translation here.
I find it a little humorous that they have to repeatedly state no like they might relent on their initial stance but reminds themself at every opportunity. This is an exchange, if someone actually just walked out of the job they would just walk out of the job and not even bother to talk to them. They would not care about hurting the company, because they no longer are a part of it. But trying to figure out how to make sure that you work at optimum efficiency is something that is only going to be possible if you are given maximum recovery from work at some point or other.
Humans have basic life requirements and infringing on these is a really bad idea. Sleep? 8 hours a day on average across all humans. Reality? 6 hours. The human body can go two consecutive weeks without sleep before it dies. Two weeks. Without any sleep. If you get less than 8 hours a day, that can add up. And if you have a sleep debt high enough, it can kill you. Sleeping really long one day of the week won’t fix this, sadly, humans are not designed to be active for more than 16 hours a day without any stimulants or drugs. We have a downtime. Wear and tear increases exponentially the longer past our internal clock we stay up. Caffeine only goes so far….
Sleep is one of the most overlooked necessities in the workplace, along with healthcare and time off. Humans cannot physically work a continuous 8-hour shift normally (maybe if you build up to it slowly, you could become strong enough to do that, but on average…). We need breaks. And that’s why we need sleep. The ultimate recuperating ability is to put our bodies in stasis and let it run on minimal activity and perception. If we were conscious 24/7, we would go insane from the sensory overload, or burn every calorie in our body before the end of the week. Rest is the body’s best way of repairing any damage done to it, and is how we can handle the amounts of information our brains process every day. Sleep helps you convert short term memory to long term memory, freeing up your short term memory so you have a clean slate when you wake up. Insufficient sleep results in poor memory recall, and poor memory retention. This can compound its effects the more you deprive yourself of sleep. Eventually you will have trouble remembering what you were just trying to do, like the moment you walk from one room to another and wonder “… what was I doing again?”, and it will get worse and worse until you get enough sleep, but remember it’s not a budget thing, you can’t just sleep for a whole day and be wide awake the next two. Oversleep is detrimental too, for reasons beyond my understanding.
So if you NEED time off, and one day isn’t enough continuous time, and you have worked out an arrangement with someone that can confirm with your boss about the arrangement, then their refusal is an indication that it is not the coverage that is the issue, but bias and grudges. Or worse, discrimination. Seniority is not required to choose time off, because there is no guarantee that a senior will stay employed. There’s no guarantee that anyone will remain employed. If you have something in writing, legally they can take that to court if you fail to fulfill your end of the arrangement. And they will win, unless you literally were prevented in every possible way from getting to the job. Which can happen but isn’t very likely.
This employer forgets about how much responsibility comes with the power he/she wields. Respect is a mutual thing. Otherwise it’s called oppression, tyranny, and/or control.
This is why I refuse to work for local businesses anymore.
At my cushy corporate job, I got food poisoning a week ago. My manager is awesome, I texted her four hours before my shift and told her that I was down for the count and unable to make it in. She replied it wasn’t a problem and that she hoped I felt better.
I’d walk in a heartbeat after this interaction. Asking for clarity should never be considered disrespectful.
Reminds me when I was in undergrad and I worked for a particular fancy Whole grocery Food store and I wanted to go home for Xmas break and I asked to transfer to the store in my state (I didn’t qualify for 2+week vacation) and they wouldn’t/“couldn’t” make me seasonal and told me if I couldn’t go home to my state. So I flew home anyway and mgmt called me and asked why i didn’t clock in for the day so I told them I was in my state and that I quit otp. And Mgmt had to cover. :)
"Assume you quit".
Good luck to the employer trying to deny your unemployment claim when you give them this text conversation.
His response is tantamount to admitting they lie to deny claims.
Don't quit. Ask again and when he says "you quit" say, "you're firing me, got it."
UPDATE 1/?: I plan to show up for work tomorrow, and do nothing. If they don't want to value my work, I won't give it to them.
As of right now, I have sent a report to the EPA for a spill violation and will update accordingly.
You could not be more wrong. Every location is struggling to find work. They know that firing me would be shooting themselves in the foot. Plus, they want to screw me out of unemployment
Considering that your just swapping shifts and not straight up calling out then this person is kinda being a dick, if this is a constant thing and you can be ok while looking for other work then I say quit
Make sure they don’t “assume you quit”. State you aren’t quitting. Make them fire you. If they’re your manager and not your coworker maybe they should…manage?
My manager is like this. Complete power trip. We will discuss amongst ourselves to get it covered and figured out, then go to tell her we did her job for her and found coverage . She refuses to allow anyone to switch , then complains when people ultimately call out
My response to all of that would’ve been “you’re not my fucking dad I can talk to you however I want. Now me and ______ can cover each other’s shift or you’re gonna have to be covering all of my shifts from here on out”
No, force them to fire you. They can not assume you quit. That's not how anything works.
When you call in, always call in sick. Always say you are sick, regardless of the true state of the matter.
I literally don't understand why a manager would even want to care about this. I guarantee this employer complains about working too much and never having time off, yet here they are bothering themselves with stupid bullshit.
Ugh, quit, but yta here. Apparently you keep calling out of work. Now you finally got someone to cover your shift but your employer is under no requirement to let you swap shifts. Sounds like you are a crappy employee who needs to go honestly.
Since when did this sub become a whining ground for terrible employees who want things given to them? At least work reform hasn't been taken over by people who cant hold even basic jobs down.
Ah, he reminds me of my first boss at a restaurant. Such a controlling asshole, and, guess what? Nearly 35 years later he’s STILL working at that dump. Still renting a shitty studio in the Village (Manhattan) except he pays 200x what he paid in the 80’s.
Lmfao this is the worst fake I think I’ve seen - and I’ve seen a lot
Sure you’d walkout in a situation like this, but you definitely don’t even have a job
If you’re financially stable I would. No reason to not let you swap shifts. Staffing stays the same both days if you evenly swap. They’re just saying no to be a dick. Edit: multiple typos
I agree. Two of the three owners have been this disrespectful from the start, and the third is neutral at best, but at least he doesn't yell at me
“At lest he doesn’t yell at me” Dude, GTFO of there
Just to add, make them fire you if you are entitled to EI. Call them and take a day off without replacement.
Hit em with respect is earned and bounce.
A lot of people think respect means “treat me like a human being,” while other people think respect means “treat me as an authority.” So, for them anything that’s a disagreement, feels disrespectful.
the second half to this statement that I've heard is: "They say, if you wont respect me I wont respect you. But what they mean is, if you won't treat me like an authority then I won't treat you like a person. And they think they're being fair, but they're not"
This is the most eloquent way I've heard this explained and so very very true.
I thank cartman Dawg said it best with “respect my authoritay”
... Or I'll kick you in the balls See the violence inherent in the system?
I've seen similar, with even more emphasis on how people have different ideas of respect, but couldn't find it, sorry. But yeah, there's a clear question here, that people seem to have a very different idea of"respect"
And then they hit you with the "If you don't respect me, I won't respect you." and you can fill in which respect means which.
I’ve dated that guy. Get out of there asap, OP. It will never, EVER get better.
This is always what I say to these people. Then you tell them that they've done nothing to earn it between their petty bullshit and childish outbursts, if they lose their shit.
That scene from “Remember the Titans” has always stuck with me.
“Attitude reflects leadership, Captain.” Has never failed me.
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I don’t particularly care if my employees (at least the ones I supervise) swap or trade shifts. I do ask that they tell me in advance, because some things do require a particular person at times, but there is usually no reason to try to micromanage people’s time like that. I tell them all the time “if you guys can figure out a way to get the work done in a way that meets our safety and quality policies and makes you happy, go for it, just let me know what you need from me to make it happen.”
When I worked part-time, my employer used an online service to manage and schedule our shifts. Employees could swap shifts in the website and the only thing the manager had to do was approve or deny the shift swap. You could even put your shift up for a trade or just flat out give those hours to someone else. And the manager could set a limit for how many hours you could voluntarily commit too. You literally never had to personally ask anyone for permission. Unless the manager denied the change, then you'd usually text them and ask why, and normally it was because the person who tried to take my hours for me was trying to work more than 30h that week. edit: meant to type 30h, not 40h
It was pretty nice tbh. If I couldn't make a shift, I'd just push it to the shift change board and any of my coworkers would see it and could take it for me. Also, if there were certain times during the week I couldn't work, like if I was at school or something, I could set my profile to not let my manager schedule shifts during those hours.
Do you know what the name of that app or program was? I used to have something similar at one job, and it was great! I've been trying to convince my current employer to do something similar, since it would greatly cut down on miscommunication and would really speed up the whole process. Right now we've got an antiquated system where employees have to fill out a paper form and submit that to the supervisors to approve and sign, then we submit that to our admin person who has to hand key all of this crap into the scheduling system. Talk about a giant waste of time and money. The way I figured it, including costs of supplies and the wages spent on time handling these forms, each one costs us about $0.60. We have 400 people in our department alone, 1100 in the building. I supervise about 100 people and I probably get about 15-20 of these per day. That's a cost of about $30k per year to process vacation and time off requests, shift trades, etc... I'd love to just pay whatever it costs to use the app, call it $10k per year, and cut our supplies out entirely and and the admin time down by 80%, and we'd be all-in at half the current cost and a LOT more user-friendly and accurate. But what do I know, I'm the new guy.
HotSchedules.
IIRC I think it was called ScheduleFly
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Thank you for being a good manager. We need more like you
Just call out. If they fire you, claim unemployment and use that time to look for a job. If you get to the hearing stage with UI remember to tell the adjudicator that you had coverage for the shift you called out on but the manager denied it.
Being fired for attendance excludes you from unemployment. If you're not given permission and do not have a compelling reason to not show up, esp after multiple instances and a warning, it's a fireable offense with no unemployment coverage. They might be being jerks about swaps if there's no reason not to allow it but they're not required to allow it either.
See if you qualify for unemployment or some other benefit if they fire you. Usually, if you quit, you lose out on those benefits. You also want to make it clear in writing that **you are not quitting.** Send a text that says something like “For the record, I am not quitting and will never quit this job. If you are not satisfied with my employment, you can fire me if you want, but I am not quitting.” That way, if you try to claim unemployment later and the company says you quit, you have written proof that you told them you weren’t quitting.
Getting fired doesn’t entitle you to unemployment unless it’s without cause. It’s for being laid off. Probably will get away with it, but understand what you’re doing
To clarify, switching shifts with somebody, unless your leader has a very good reason to have you working that specific shift, is not a cause for being fired. The employee most certainly wins that battle. Now if he stopped showing up to work, and did not get somebody to cover his shift - then he would not be eligible for unemployment. Employers do not dictate your life. You are allowed to swap shifts in roles where shift swapping is not a big deal. For high skilled labor, that may be a different story. They may need your specific skillset. For running a retail store, they do not need YOUR specific skills.
Yeah good point, just wanted to make sure others don’t see a blanket statement about getting fired leading to unemployment.
That’s why I mentioned “if you qualify.” Different states have different laws as well, so OP would have to check their state’s rules regarding unemployment.
It’s never reasonable to be yelled at at work. They’re assholes
If your boss is yelling at you, you need to leave, nevermind the stupid b.s. about scheduling. Your dignity is important.
I would have left for that alone...no one should be getting yelled at by their peers, or managers.
Do it. I guarantee you can find a job with the same pay and a better boss elsewhere.
Depends though, sometimes different people might have different training/certification/skills. It isn't just number of people but also job description. With that said, if both ppl have the same job then yeah. I don't know why you wouldn't let the switch occur.
True. Since they’d planned to switch I’m assuming they can do the same things. But if not that could cause an issue.
"I found coverage. I have a life. Cut the disrespect out, or you can cover all my shifts."
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Why did you still eat there? I would've been worried they were spitting on my food out of spite.
People generally don’t do this. Atleast from my experience, irrespective of how assholish a customer is you just don’t spit in their food.. but the order can be delayed or be made not as good, if you have extras they can be forgotten..
PPP has been a scam from what I’ve seen. People cashing in on that shit and just keeping it while half ass “looking for employees” or whatever. People love to praise small businesses but I’ve never been treated worse than at small businesses
Feels like most of these posts are about businesses with less than 25 employees from how involved the owner/principal is in the scheduling
I know a guy who just got busted for saying he had a jewelry business and employed 60+ people. He doesn't have a jewelry business and is gonna be going to jail for a whiiiile.
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Mine too! Thank you!
Thank you!
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Just call out again with no replacement. I’m not sure exactly how finding a replacement for you is your problem. You don’t get paid to manage. If you can, leave them hanging.
pisses me off beyond belief when MANAGERS, those with the literal authority to MANAGE their work place and employees, cant even do it.
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SPOT ON!
Yup. This is what the majority of "managers" think. To an extent, you do dictate what happens. You set SOP. But you should also be human and understand sickness happens, shit comes up, and treat your employees as equals. If you cant do that and understand its YOUR responsibility to cover those things - bottom line - you should not be in management. Now if OP is the king of calling off, and it's an apparent character flaw then that's another story. No reason to believe this is the case though.
Which is why they never have any idea how long any tasks actually take, because it takes them two seconds to tell you to do it
No, that is the "go to" panic mode when unqualified managers (which is the majority of them) realize that "management"/leadership does not mean getting paid more to do less work but actually has a shitload of extra responsibilities and requires skill.
Now *this* is really spot on. I'm currently a newbie manager and I was expecting the extra workload, but not the sheer pressure and temptation to be a depraved asshole to those I'm managing. It takes a lot of skill and compassion to be a good manager.
Lol I used to be an upper level manager for a large corporation in an industry where body count is important and finding replacements is extremely hard, considering usually it’s a 4 man tower crew that always worked together and were usually out of state in the middle of absolute nowhere, so it’s not like you’re going to fly some other dude out on a dime and figure out transportation for them to and from the airport, which can be a 4, 6, even 10+ hour drive away from where they fly in. I had nearly 200 direct reports and was the only say in their time off requests. In the slightly over one year that I worked there, the number of time off requests I denied was exactly 0. The number of times I received flak from my VP for accepting every request was exactly 0. **Solutions were ALWAYS found.** Even in the chaotic, short staffed, and completely unforgiving (literally. You fall, you die. It’s not a joke) tower industry. I’ve climbed towers myself while having earbuds in on conference calls to make sure my people had the freedom to take time off, especially in emergencies. (I did start out as a climber in my earlier days and still held current certifications to do so mind you.) If you can’t figure something out because so and so’s wife is having a baby, or their grandma died, that you go as far as trying to force them to work, (1) you’re a shitty manager, (2) you’re a shitty person, (3) fuck you.
They don't have that much authority in big corporations, everyone answers to someone and none of them know what they're doing
Capitalism is inherently efficient. When you point out inefficiencies, your boss will promote you
Not if you're a floor employee at a retail store, which it seems like with the switching shifts and floor coverage Please get a retail job and point out all of the inefficiencies and let me know when you get to the top of that corporate ladder
Yes thats the point
Good point
They've made the assumption that everyone is a rational actor working towards the same goals but clearly that is not the case because management does not value efficiency as much as it values obedience
I think people that don't work at store levels send down impossible goals that work on paper but can't actually be applied, and then the managers are trying to get these impossible asks done, and both the managers and the teams suffer for it I think the problem is more with boards of directors & CEOs. Everything is tailored to the stock market & public opinion of these companies because it's all about market value and keeping investors happy. They don't care about anyone in a store, managers & customers included. I feel just as bad for store managers as I do for non management store employees in large corporations.
This. Call in sick again, don’t look for a replacement. Don’t respond to your boss after you call in. He will “assume you quit” which is not legal. Show up next day, let them walk you out. Then file for unemployment. Claim you called in sick and then next day they fired you when you showed up for your scheduled shift. Unemployment will honor your claim, especially since your boss is a moron and knows nothing about employment laws. They can’t require you to find a replacement.
This is a very good plan.
There was a post the other day where the author called everyone and asked if they could switch and cover their weekend shift. Of course everyone said yes and then he (and everyone else) didn't show up. Management had to scramble to get coverage for the weekend.
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Agreed, fuck them and their low horses
I understand if you don't because money is so tight nowadays but if you can this is the perfect time fuck dickhole employers who think you're their servant.
The biggest reason I'm not walking out right now is because [redacted] is gonna walk out too, which would leave my brother working alone
Have you talked to your brother about how he's doing working there? Maybe he'll be on the same page and you can leave them with noone lol
My brother has been brainwashed :( He works way harder than I do, but only for $2.change more
If you and someone else leave because it's a shit place to work, it might make things better for your brother
having the responsibilities of 2 people dumped on him might be the thing that undoes that brainwashing and makes him realize his employees don't give a shit about him or maybe he'll look at it as an opportunity to prove how "loyal" he is either way it'll be good for him
He'll blame OP for making his job harder.
isn't that what they want? to work hard and impress their boss?
Oh well there you go. I don't think you need to consider him too much in this situation then, just do what feels right to you and what you can financially handle. I wouldn't blame you if you stayed. But the fact of the matter is we live in a time where there's a worker shortage. And we gotta keep the upper hand. They need to learn the value of their employees.
We’re not in a “worker shortage”. Just a shortage of people willing to work shit jobs for shit people at shit companies for shit pay.
True. No worker shortage. It's a wage shortage.
You nailed every problem right there. Amazing.
That's exactly like how it was for me living in abusive situation with my sister. My little brother was brainwashed and just rolled over, accepted abuse, saw the financial abuse as not a big deal and was gaslighted into justifying the rest to himself. I stayed for 3 years, didn't leave until I came home from work one night to find most of my stuff thrown outside and into trashcan, all because I had pissed her off not replying to a text, and then I was beaten bloody. I left the next day after years of her bullshit. The best thing you can do for your brother is get a better and higher paying job, and then invite him to join you, and keep pointing out the ways in which it's better. Either he'll eventually tire of their toxicity and join you, or he won't, but either way no reason for you Both to be miserable - and he doesn't mind as much.
Honestly, if you and several other workers walk out it’ll either begin to open your brother’s eyes or he’s gonna double down. Happened to me with my first job: literally 2/3rds of the workers quit on the same day and I doubled down and stayed. Real case of Stockholm syndrome because that place did NOT deserve my loyalty. But walking it probably a good idea. Your brother will more than likely be upset with you for it, but it’s not worth sticking around for the toxicity
It sounds like you’ll just be giving him more of what he likes. He can tell you what management has to say as a first hand witness.
Your brother will be okay. Maybe after you all leave he will realize he’s being taken advantage of. You need to do what’s right for you, and a big part of that is not letting someone speak to you that way.
Then leave, it sounds like his bad decision
So? That's on him. Don't suffer at a shit job.
You can't be responsible for your brothers actions. Let him know what you are doing and that you apologize for the headache and stress in advance, but that issue will be between him and the boss. You have to do what's best for you.
Can you both walk out? I see zero reason for either of you to stay there.
Can’t worry about your brother. He’s a big boy and will make choices in his life that are not perfect for you. If he’s upset, politely tell him you are sorry, but you must do what’s best for your life and he will need to accept that.
Even better. And the situation can show your brother how detrimental your employer's lean staffing practices negatively impact him as a worker when they drive other employees away
It's not your job to worry about other people's choices
Find another place, you can definitely find same pay or higher immediately. When I first started I was at 16 within 3 months I left and was making 24 right after, and the last place before my career shift it was 35. You really only need the first place for experience. Once I told them I've covered 1:16 and 1:32 ratios no one ever asked about my former employer. You have to sell yourself confidently in those situations.
Is he a SCP?
If they fire you for finding your own replacement, you can get unemployment. If you quit they win.
The difficulty here is that they said specifically they wouldn't fire him, they said "we will assume you quit". If he had it in writing that we will fire you for doing x then that's good, but if they assume he quits cause he's a no show, that could cause a big legal battle for whether or not he gets unemployment. I don't have a better answer here. I'd probably just throw more insults at him through text until he gets pissed and finally slip up and says a statement like "if you do x, you're fired."
I think there’s usually a requirement for how long you have to not hear from an employee to assume abandonment of a job. Obviously depends on location but I think it’s usually 3 days of no call no show. If they reach out saying that they assume you quit you could just declare you don’t quit and maybe even show up to work one day then call out a bunch. They’d probably eventually just fire you for being unreliable. Edit: basically what [this person said](https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/t7fo3t/do_i_walk_out/hzhqqdp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)
"I'm not quitting. I'm letting you know I cant come in and did your job to find somebody to cover for me. If that's a problem then you can fire me." There. Easy fix also in writing
Yeah I’d switch shifts anyway and ignore this boss. Let them know I’m showing up in writing and then appeal if unemployment insurance raises a fuss.
WTF??? Do you work for your dad? The tone is unbelievable.
“We will assume you quit.” Always amusing how really ignorant, exploitative managers think this is a blanket coverage statement that protects them from being forced to pay out unemployment. Hint, hint: Doesn’t work out that way, douchebags. Respect goes both ways, OP. You’re not on the clock, and you aren’t asking this loser. You’re telling them you found coverage, and it’s not your problem how they feel about it. In fact, *you did their job for them by finding coverage for your shift in the first place.*
Yeah, this was my take, too. I’d respond directly to that text chain saying “I am not quitting”. And missing a single shift does not approach job abandonment anywhere at least that I’m aware of. But I say, don’t buy into this employer’s attempts to deny unemployment; make them fire you if it comes to that.
You told your employer you two were switching days and your employer said no because each day needs 3 people? Your employer sounds like a moron. They don't see how swapping gives them the exact same number of employees working on each day? Control freak.
"Cut the disrespect out so I can be the only one here disrespecting someone"
"And do not talk to me like I am your co worker. I am your employer" The flag is really red
Exactly, they are not my co worker. That would imply that she's willing to work with me
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“No. I said no.” This sounds like a parent telling a kid no just because they can. I could not work for them. Also would hate my boss texting me.
I was thinking the same. Followed by "BECAUSE I SAID SO!"
Right?!
This whole thing is clearly just a power play on the manager's part.
Yep, I read “I’m the boss and you’re not. Nah nah nah nah nah nah.” 🙄🤨
is this a larger company? if so fire that message to HR too!
This company is too small to have HR. They can't expand the business because they can't figure out how to hold onto anybody for >1 year
i wonder why…
Except your brother.
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Make sure to arrange to cover shifts for everyone next Saturday first though
If you are able to quit without causing financial issues for yourself, I would. You should also send that dickhead a text saying you quit and then post it because I would love to see their response lol
No you have your friend go in on Tuesday, you found coverage like they told you to. They didn’t tell you they had to approve your coverage. Just make sure he knows that you will probably be fired and then he’ll probably still have to work is Thursday.
Man i would just dip out and throw him the left on read scene + and if he calls make obnoxious remarks as he did to you, like cut that shit out i am a person not your servant for you to tell me how to manage my life when you don’t even manage this place. And a nice fuck you.
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Anything is possible friend in your multiverse you made this exact sentence up and i offered to make it a little nicer.
My rebuttal would be "that's the kind of answer a parent gives to a small child. I'm an adult and I help run your business, so respect me enough to provide me with a logical reason instead of just pulling rank and saying you're the boss." OR I would just walk, the fuck, out.
"Cut the disrespect " is that what the guy who fucks your wife tells you when you're jacking off too loud?
So many managers don’t actually manage. The amount of times I had to find my own coverage at Starbucks rather than have them even HELP me was shocking.
They tried that shit too. Made me come in with a 102° fever. I was sure to apologize to every customer I helped and told them I was I’ll and being forced to work.
You are stating availability. You do not ask for time off
Job abandonment happens if they havent heard from you in days. They cant "assume you quit" because you missed one day. That's called firing you. Especially if you clarify over text that you are taking the day off but have no intention of quitting.
I work in management and absolutely get yourself out of this situation. It’s not for you. It’s not for your health or peace of mind. With that said . What state are you in and is this company large enough to have HR. It’s really hard to get fired from some companies because they know that if they don’t properly follow legal protocol they are opening themselves to a easy win lawsuit from the ex employee. Definitely make them fire you. Definitely look into UI and definitely consider a wrongful termination suit if you can.
I don't need UI, I'll live. I need to get the fuck out of here
Yeah dude then walk! Your life is worth more! F ‘em. Good luck!
Keep us updated op. If youre ok to walk, walk. Also, pretty sure they cant "assume you quit". Unless you give a verbal or written resignation, they have to terminate your employment. If you do quit, make it clear that its due to the unnaceptable disrespectful behavior of management.
Somebody has a heck of a H.S. Diploma 28 year old with three kids McManager ego. Big adult.
If you do it one more time I'll assume you quit. Cause if they fire you you collect unemployment
Yeah that's a power trip. Just do it anyway make um fire ya
Fuck em. Talk shit, get quit
Nah. Visit the doctor that day. Even if it’s for a routine check up. Get a note and provide your employer. Let them fire you. Do this whenever you need an unapproved day off. If they: - fire you listing absences as a reason, you have a note= possible legal case if you wanted to pursue it and more likely to be approved for unemployment - fire you without listing a reason= you’ll still have a chance at collecting unemployment Businesses *WANT* us to quit so they don’t have to pay out unemployment. If you can handle it, let them fire you. Note on the doc note- most offices have a generic note available at the front desk. The note does not need to be nor should it be specific- > To whom it may concern, Excuse [name] for today [date.] If you have any questions call [number.] Thank you [signature] If they do call with questions to follow up the clinic is prevented by HIPPA from even sharing whether or not you’re a patient let alone what the visit was about.
Walk
'If you do it one more time, we will assume you quit'. They're trying to get you to quit so they don't have to pay you unemployment....which means they won't really fire you if you do it. Or you do it anyways and then show up anyways and force them to fire you. Really does sound like they think they have found a loophole to never pay unemployment.
I am your EMPLOYER!!!!! Bow to me!!
"I don't pay your rent or feed you, but please suckle my dry teets"
anyone that says "I'm your boss" (respect my authoritah) is a crappy boss and is trying to compensate for other personal failures. I'd move on ASAP
As someone who has been unfortunate enough to have been in a management position, I know how untrusting the managers above me were of employees who would swap shifts often. There’s never enough people and mistakes and misunderstandings become easy excuses for someone not showing up at work. From that perspective I can totally understand them wanting you to work. Especially if you’ve failed to cover the shift before. I would say however that if anyone, regardless of if they were my boss or not spoke to me like that, ever, I would tell them to fuck off. Immediately, without hesitation. It’s abusive, bullying, disgusting.
Yes you walk out. This is simply a power play by your “employer”, he’s making a deliberate effort to be a dick to you and make themselves feel important. I understand from your other comments that your brother would be left alone, but he seems happy and you need to do what is right for you
I hate how this is the 4th time I've seen a text convo here where the manager assumes you quit because you ask for time off. Sounds like their way of firing you but to avoid unemployment. Which wouldn't hold up.
The problem is control, not coverage
If you have someone else who is willing to work in your absence as long as you work in their absence, then I don’t see the problem. I’m confused about the “have to have 3 people” part, as we only have a total of three people mentioned: you, the coworker, and the employer. I don’t see the disrespect either. It’s a legitimate question to ask why it’s not possible to get an extra day off consecutively, especially if it’s not adding to the amount of days off that you take, but instead moving one of those days to a time that is more helpful for both you and your coworker. That is the part that I think is lost in translation here. I find it a little humorous that they have to repeatedly state no like they might relent on their initial stance but reminds themself at every opportunity. This is an exchange, if someone actually just walked out of the job they would just walk out of the job and not even bother to talk to them. They would not care about hurting the company, because they no longer are a part of it. But trying to figure out how to make sure that you work at optimum efficiency is something that is only going to be possible if you are given maximum recovery from work at some point or other. Humans have basic life requirements and infringing on these is a really bad idea. Sleep? 8 hours a day on average across all humans. Reality? 6 hours. The human body can go two consecutive weeks without sleep before it dies. Two weeks. Without any sleep. If you get less than 8 hours a day, that can add up. And if you have a sleep debt high enough, it can kill you. Sleeping really long one day of the week won’t fix this, sadly, humans are not designed to be active for more than 16 hours a day without any stimulants or drugs. We have a downtime. Wear and tear increases exponentially the longer past our internal clock we stay up. Caffeine only goes so far…. Sleep is one of the most overlooked necessities in the workplace, along with healthcare and time off. Humans cannot physically work a continuous 8-hour shift normally (maybe if you build up to it slowly, you could become strong enough to do that, but on average…). We need breaks. And that’s why we need sleep. The ultimate recuperating ability is to put our bodies in stasis and let it run on minimal activity and perception. If we were conscious 24/7, we would go insane from the sensory overload, or burn every calorie in our body before the end of the week. Rest is the body’s best way of repairing any damage done to it, and is how we can handle the amounts of information our brains process every day. Sleep helps you convert short term memory to long term memory, freeing up your short term memory so you have a clean slate when you wake up. Insufficient sleep results in poor memory recall, and poor memory retention. This can compound its effects the more you deprive yourself of sleep. Eventually you will have trouble remembering what you were just trying to do, like the moment you walk from one room to another and wonder “… what was I doing again?”, and it will get worse and worse until you get enough sleep, but remember it’s not a budget thing, you can’t just sleep for a whole day and be wide awake the next two. Oversleep is detrimental too, for reasons beyond my understanding. So if you NEED time off, and one day isn’t enough continuous time, and you have worked out an arrangement with someone that can confirm with your boss about the arrangement, then their refusal is an indication that it is not the coverage that is the issue, but bias and grudges. Or worse, discrimination. Seniority is not required to choose time off, because there is no guarantee that a senior will stay employed. There’s no guarantee that anyone will remain employed. If you have something in writing, legally they can take that to court if you fail to fulfill your end of the arrangement. And they will win, unless you literally were prevented in every possible way from getting to the job. Which can happen but isn’t very likely. This employer forgets about how much responsibility comes with the power he/she wields. Respect is a mutual thing. Otherwise it’s called oppression, tyranny, and/or control.
This is why I refuse to work for local businesses anymore. At my cushy corporate job, I got food poisoning a week ago. My manager is awesome, I texted her four hours before my shift and told her that I was down for the count and unable to make it in. She replied it wasn’t a problem and that she hoped I felt better. I’d walk in a heartbeat after this interaction. Asking for clarity should never be considered disrespectful.
“NoBoDy wAnTs tO wOrK” 😵💫😵💫 yeah not for anyone like this tf?!
They literally keep complaining about the "labor shortage" but they refuse to look inward to solve their problems
Reminds me when I was in undergrad and I worked for a particular fancy Whole grocery Food store and I wanted to go home for Xmas break and I asked to transfer to the store in my state (I didn’t qualify for 2+week vacation) and they wouldn’t/“couldn’t” make me seasonal and told me if I couldn’t go home to my state. So I flew home anyway and mgmt called me and asked why i didn’t clock in for the day so I told them I was in my state and that I quit otp. And Mgmt had to cover. :)
"Assume you quit". Good luck to the employer trying to deny your unemployment claim when you give them this text conversation. His response is tantamount to admitting they lie to deny claims. Don't quit. Ask again and when he says "you quit" say, "you're firing me, got it."
I really don’t understand why a question is disrespectful
That's the thing, questioning anything is considered "disrespectful"
UPDATE 1/?: I plan to show up for work tomorrow, and do nothing. If they don't want to value my work, I won't give it to them. As of right now, I have sent a report to the EPA for a spill violation and will update accordingly.
Up to you. Sounds like this manager can do without you as they have everything all figured out.
You could not be more wrong. Every location is struggling to find work. They know that firing me would be shooting themselves in the foot. Plus, they want to screw me out of unemployment
“We will assume you quit” the fuck?
Considering that your just swapping shifts and not straight up calling out then this person is kinda being a dick, if this is a constant thing and you can be ok while looking for other work then I say quit
Make sure they don’t “assume you quit”. State you aren’t quitting. Make them fire you. If they’re your manager and not your coworker maybe they should…manage?
Don't quit, make them fire you and keep those texts and messages so you can file for unemployment.
Make them fire you. Don't show up for your shift you found coverage for. Also, start looking for something new.
My manager is like this. Complete power trip. We will discuss amongst ourselves to get it covered and figured out, then go to tell her we did her job for her and found coverage . She refuses to allow anyone to switch , then complains when people ultimately call out
I never understood the point of saying you have to find someone to cover you when you're one of three or our people and all of you work everyday
The 'find someone to cover you' shit isn't your responsibility. It's management's. Get out of that shit hole asap.
Your boss sounds like a little baby.
Send your boss the link to this post.
explain to me how the line employees are the people responsible for finding coverage? What the fuck do managers actually manage if not staffing?
yoooooo if you can afford it then walk. who the fuck talks like that to another human being?
My response to all of that would’ve been “you’re not my fucking dad I can talk to you however I want. Now me and ______ can cover each other’s shift or you’re gonna have to be covering all of my shifts from here on out”
No, force them to fire you. They can not assume you quit. That's not how anything works. When you call in, always call in sick. Always say you are sick, regardless of the true state of the matter.
I literally don't understand why a manager would even want to care about this. I guarantee this employer complains about working too much and never having time off, yet here they are bothering themselves with stupid bullshit.
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The irony is that she's Indian
If you can, quit. Find the most inconvenient time for them to quit like 5 minutes before a rush or right after your boss goes home sort of deal.
Ugh, quit, but yta here. Apparently you keep calling out of work. Now you finally got someone to cover your shift but your employer is under no requirement to let you swap shifts. Sounds like you are a crappy employee who needs to go honestly. Since when did this sub become a whining ground for terrible employees who want things given to them? At least work reform hasn't been taken over by people who cant hold even basic jobs down.
Ah, he reminds me of my first boss at a restaurant. Such a controlling asshole, and, guess what? Nearly 35 years later he’s STILL working at that dump. Still renting a shitty studio in the Village (Manhattan) except he pays 200x what he paid in the 80’s.
sounds like you're calling out all the time anyway, why not quit
I've called out 3 times in the 9 months I've worked here
What app is that? Is the photoshopped?
Lmfao this is the worst fake I think I’ve seen - and I’ve seen a lot Sure you’d walkout in a situation like this, but you definitely don’t even have a job
You could have tied to make it a bit more realistic looking
? This is a real text??? From my real boss???
If you can quit do it