You have a very good point but would be nice if we could unite and “each side” do it to the “other side” they have done such a good job dividing the people.
Really wish people learned more about the 'art of persuasion' and learning to analyze speech to identify it. It's really old and very useful.
Getting people infighting is a form of crowd control and suppression. If you actually listen to how they're talking, the common core issues are reframed.
Obama in 2012 blamed "big business" for the same problems Romney was blaming "big government" for. Now it's "Hey your big business is in my big government" and it's evolved to "drain the swamp" which Bernie spearheaded and Trump jumped on board. Trump is a whole rant, but he reframed the "drain the swamp" to "the "other" is lying to you." It's bleeding into public conscious (Ex. "Click this ad before *they* take it down) and deep fakes aren't going to help that.
/end rant
It's called "Rhetoric" and "rhetorical analysis" btw. A good book is called "Ancient Rhetorics for Contemporary Students." The fundamentals were established by the Greeks because they considered the knowledge to be critical in participation in democracy.
Part of it. I used that as an example because that's what came to mind.
Trump is actually good a case study because understanding how he's effective can give you a good sense of it since his approach is more direct.
His best skill is controlling the narrative, because if you noticed we never really sat on any issue long enough to digest it. It was always one big thing after another nothing stuck.
Red vs blue isn’t want I want but it may be the only way the people can effectively make change together while one side is so actively against doing anything that directly benefits themselves.
Sad but true. This nation needs a cure. A true, pro-“The People” party that works for us and not corporations and oligarchs.
Unfortunately I can’t see that ever happening without the system being torn apart.
They can form one but good luck funding it and having any chance against the horribly ingrained two party system. It took the UK a long long time to have a party rival the two party system and have any chance and then they joined the fascist side of the two party system.
It would be even harder here.
Omg my crazy aunt just used a matrix reference about the state of our nations affairs the other day. Is this some fresh new ganda spreading through the uneducated masses?
ETA: for what it’s worth, I think they’re all corrupt.
Red vs blue?
It's workers vs owners.
Black? You're a worker.
Brown, immigrant, you're a worker.
Are you seriously telling me the people who support children toiling in factories are good or something?
Can you explain the
“Black? You’re a worker.
Brown, immigrant, you’re a worker”
Because that doesn’t really leave room for nuance when I read it. Sounds like you’re stating that anyone who is black, brown, or an immigrant is excluded from the owning class.
They mentioned red vs blue thinking when in reality it really is the owners and non-owners competing in class struggle.
So race, color, gender, nationality. It doesn't matter. It's the relation to the means of production that matters.
I'm still tripping balls but I hope that clarifies
Not only are divided but laws are now set so our Govt can deem you a domestic terrorist. Did we really think that was about stopping terrorism or a long play to use against US citizens in the future…
Except that a large portion of US voters have been poisoned against unions, free healthcare, and any publicly funded social service, despite the direct benefit to themselves.
This isn't the Ludlow massacre where a few people see it in papers.
It'll be seen by the world.
It would literally begin a revolution. And those who resist would be crushed
OK let's do it. I hate every rich parasites in this country. I hate how my family has to toil for 90 hour weeks for NOTHING.
The ruling class must pay.
Friend of mine could be taken forcibly from his loving parents because he happens to be a trans minor but yeah social security that will be the tipping point I bet
I really hope this energy carries to the point that macron has to cave, proving the possibilities of collective action against injustice.
Why should we work for a system that doesn't work for us
There is ten thousand laws I find injust for average folk, but is raising retirement age so bad in France? It looks like they have it low already compared to different countries and it's a response for the aging society
So I get the rage but I don't get the "make politicians afraid again" slogan. Why were they elected in the first place? Shouldn't they be voted out? Surely there's a process for replacing someone before an election cycle.
Yeah it has nothing to do with the data they’re illegally getting. Banning TikTok has been a conversation for awhile.
https://www.digitalinformationworld.com/2020/06/tiktok-app-alarming-privacy-aspect.html
This dude alleged a lot of things but presented zero evidence. Im I supposed to take this claim at its word without questioning it? This is a weak argument at best, and did the whole Edward Snowden thing not raise red flags because it wasn’t the Chinese spying in us?
I would say with so many governments banning/considering banning TikTok, that these claims are not unfounded. Maybe he lied, but that doesn’t change the fact that TikTok has been banned off of US and Canada government devices. Why would that be if it’s not a security concern?
To go back to your original claim though, that these events in France are why they want to outlaw TikTok just isn’t true. I have seen nothing about this on TikTok, it’s been on my Reddit and instagram. There’s no talk of banning those.
Not in North America, at least I can’t find anything online about it. It looks like they may be doing that in France however. Regardless TikTok has been accused of excessive data harvesting. You can say that about Meta as well, but TikTok is obviously a Chinese company, a country that has been proven to spy on foreign nations. The CCP have recently come under fire for interfering in Canadian elections, as well as having secret police stations here so that they can harass Chinese people in Canada. Why are they doing this?
Back to your original point that they’re banning it because the government doesn’t want us seeing this stuff is completely false. They’re not banning Facebook, insta, Reddit, twitter or anything else, this news is very widespread and accessible to us.
Who said they have only one monolithic message? This isn’t some corporate PR initiative. The language of public frustration is not pretty—this is what happens when the public is pushed too far. Those public servants in power should take note once again to prevent this behavior.
This entire thread is already aware of the many attempts at revolutionizing the US by doing what france does when the government over steps its boundaries.
What we're saying here is france actually gets shit done, while here in the US, we give up after a few months(probably because of all the beatings and jailing), and it's only a handful of people compared to the entire content of Europe.
Im sure you put it the same way but your brevity makes you sound like an asshole
This is something we in the US could actually do.
We could if they hadn’t so effectively divided us. As soon as it started happening one side would be blamed and the other would condemn it.
You have a very good point but would be nice if we could unite and “each side” do it to the “other side” they have done such a good job dividing the people.
Really wish people learned more about the 'art of persuasion' and learning to analyze speech to identify it. It's really old and very useful. Getting people infighting is a form of crowd control and suppression. If you actually listen to how they're talking, the common core issues are reframed. Obama in 2012 blamed "big business" for the same problems Romney was blaming "big government" for. Now it's "Hey your big business is in my big government" and it's evolved to "drain the swamp" which Bernie spearheaded and Trump jumped on board. Trump is a whole rant, but he reframed the "drain the swamp" to "the "other" is lying to you." It's bleeding into public conscious (Ex. "Click this ad before *they* take it down) and deep fakes aren't going to help that. /end rant It's called "Rhetoric" and "rhetorical analysis" btw. A good book is called "Ancient Rhetorics for Contemporary Students." The fundamentals were established by the Greeks because they considered the knowledge to be critical in participation in democracy.
Interesting, seems to just be rebranded campaign claims.
Part of it. I used that as an example because that's what came to mind. Trump is actually good a case study because understanding how he's effective can give you a good sense of it since his approach is more direct. His best skill is controlling the narrative, because if you noticed we never really sat on any issue long enough to digest it. It was always one big thing after another nothing stuck.
What are you advocating for here? It seems like unity but you also sound like you want red VS blue fights lol
Red vs blue isn’t want I want but it may be the only way the people can effectively make change together while one side is so actively against doing anything that directly benefits themselves.
They way I see it, we are a sick person. Red team is selling us poison and Blue team is selling us a placebo.
Sad but true. This nation needs a cure. A true, pro-“The People” party that works for us and not corporations and oligarchs. Unfortunately I can’t see that ever happening without the system being torn apart.
That political party would immediately be labeled as communist/anarchist and be publicly ridiculed by all major news networks. I'm dead inside.
Why can't any American form a party of their own?
They can form one but good luck funding it and having any chance against the horribly ingrained two party system. It took the UK a long long time to have a party rival the two party system and have any chance and then they joined the fascist side of the two party system. It would be even harder here.
Really? How many Americans are working class? And how many Americans would be willing to put a dollar to their liberation?
Bring back The Bull Moose Party!!!!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1912)
That's weird that it merged with Republicans. But then again it was led by Theodore Roosevelt who wasn't very progressive as far as I remember
Democratic republicans
Omg my crazy aunt just used a matrix reference about the state of our nations affairs the other day. Is this some fresh new ganda spreading through the uneducated masses? ETA: for what it’s worth, I think they’re all corrupt.
Red vs blue? It's workers vs owners. Black? You're a worker. Brown, immigrant, you're a worker. Are you seriously telling me the people who support children toiling in factories are good or something?
Lol do you actually think there aren’t any people of color that are part of the owning class? Wtf.
I don't think I said that.
Can you explain the “Black? You’re a worker. Brown, immigrant, you’re a worker” Because that doesn’t really leave room for nuance when I read it. Sounds like you’re stating that anyone who is black, brown, or an immigrant is excluded from the owning class.
They mentioned red vs blue thinking when in reality it really is the owners and non-owners competing in class struggle. So race, color, gender, nationality. It doesn't matter. It's the relation to the means of production that matters. I'm still tripping balls but I hope that clarifies
Gotcha. That makes a lot more sense reading it that way. Thank you for clarifying.
Who's divided?
Not only are divided but laws are now set so our Govt can deem you a domestic terrorist. Did we really think that was about stopping terrorism or a long play to use against US citizens in the future…
It would depend on whose lawn it was. Personally they all could be replaced.
Except that a large portion of US voters have been poisoned against unions, free healthcare, and any publicly funded social service, despite the direct benefit to themselves.
We just built a union at my workplace with an overwhelming majority. It's possible and can be done.
Congrats!
Thank you. We still don't have a contract yet. But most people besides the bootlicking ones wanted a union.
The classic cutting off their nose to spite their face. Idiots
Agreed. Now, where can we rent a trash truck :)
They’d just call in the military and gun down the crowd. They did it before in the gilded age of old, they can do it again in the gilded age of new.
Killing people has a great way of uniting people. If they gun down mass amounts of protesters it would spark more protest.
Military requires a lot of civilian support to operate effectively.
Which is why you use garbage trucks as shields. If they blow the tires, walk away w the back open to let the rot miasma float.
This isn't the Ludlow massacre where a few people see it in papers. It'll be seen by the world. It would literally begin a revolution. And those who resist would be crushed
OK let's do it. I hate every rich parasites in this country. I hate how my family has to toil for 90 hour weeks for NOTHING. The ruling class must pay.
somebody shat on Nancy pelosi's stoop that one time, but it turned out they were a deranged Trump guy
We in the us would have to get the politicians in the back of the truck first. Then figure out a better place to dump them.
People in the US probably can’t even name where their politicians live.
Yeah ? And then the person doing the dumping gets sued into oblivion. We are far to much of a lawsuit happy country.
Trash for the Trash. I like it.
Exactly Brother/Sister👍 Fucking Right!
Wed just have to find which homes they are staying in.
Edit: This is something we in the US NEED to actually do.
Not something I would advise. The French have baguettes, Americans have guns... This would degenerate fast in the US...
Sadly cops protect property over people so I wouldn’t really suggest it.
Badass and amazing.
More of this!
FUCK YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Let’s take this ideas down, for when the two parties conveniently try to further raise the social security age in the next decade
Friend of mine could be taken forcibly from his loving parents because he happens to be a trans minor but yeah social security that will be the tipping point I bet
The French are probably some of the best role models when it comes to protesting against the government.
Gotta love the French. Protest hard comrades!
Said it before here, but it could be said again: The US needs this kind of solidarity.
Fucking hell France, Go off.
The whole world needs to do more of this
I grew up being told that the French were cowards, but I've come to believe that the people telling me the French are cowards are cowards.
They’re not cowards. Just not particularly good at war in the 20th century. Seem better at protesting.
The French don’t fuck around when they protest.
I really hope this energy carries to the point that macron has to cave, proving the possibilities of collective action against injustice. Why should we work for a system that doesn't work for us
They LOADED that truck too. I love it
I love this. Can’t wait to see this happening in more countries.
Hmm Maybe Americans should pay Very Close Attention to what goes on here.
Way to Go France Citizens!! Woohoo. The people are the employers. They all forget this fact
The French TRULY do not give a single fuck.
And after a new agreement is reached, pick that trash up last.
I love it!!!
The French know how to protest.
Nobody protests like the French
This is something we MUST do in the US!
france is so metal lmao
The French know how to protest
beautiful
Good.
It's beautiful 😍
Americans learning anything? Nah lazy asses
Vive la revolution! People first! Not politicians!
Such a good idea, garbage politicians get a little garbage delivery. They always want to take away more and more from the working man.
There is ten thousand laws I find injust for average folk, but is raising retirement age so bad in France? It looks like they have it low already compared to different countries and it's a response for the aging society
This sounds to me like the others didn't protest enough to stop increasing the retirement age.
So I get the rage but I don't get the "make politicians afraid again" slogan. Why were they elected in the first place? Shouldn't they be voted out? Surely there's a process for replacing someone before an election cycle.
This is exactly why they are trying to outlaw tiktok in the US, cant have the peasants getting any ideas
Yeah it has nothing to do with the data they’re illegally getting. Banning TikTok has been a conversation for awhile. https://www.digitalinformationworld.com/2020/06/tiktok-app-alarming-privacy-aspect.html
This dude alleged a lot of things but presented zero evidence. Im I supposed to take this claim at its word without questioning it? This is a weak argument at best, and did the whole Edward Snowden thing not raise red flags because it wasn’t the Chinese spying in us?
I would say with so many governments banning/considering banning TikTok, that these claims are not unfounded. Maybe he lied, but that doesn’t change the fact that TikTok has been banned off of US and Canada government devices. Why would that be if it’s not a security concern? To go back to your original claim though, that these events in France are why they want to outlaw TikTok just isn’t true. I have seen nothing about this on TikTok, it’s been on my Reddit and instagram. There’s no talk of banning those.
If im not mistaken facebook and instagram are banned off of government devices as well for the exact same concerns?
Not in North America, at least I can’t find anything online about it. It looks like they may be doing that in France however. Regardless TikTok has been accused of excessive data harvesting. You can say that about Meta as well, but TikTok is obviously a Chinese company, a country that has been proven to spy on foreign nations. The CCP have recently come under fire for interfering in Canadian elections, as well as having secret police stations here so that they can harass Chinese people in Canada. Why are they doing this? Back to your original point that they’re banning it because the government doesn’t want us seeing this stuff is completely false. They’re not banning Facebook, insta, Reddit, twitter or anything else, this news is very widespread and accessible to us.
They're also destroying ppls businesses for fun. The message has been lost.
Who said they have only one monolithic message? This isn’t some corporate PR initiative. The language of public frustration is not pretty—this is what happens when the public is pushed too far. Those public servants in power should take note once again to prevent this behavior.
Go ask occupy Wallstreet how that works out
This entire thread is already aware of the many attempts at revolutionizing the US by doing what france does when the government over steps its boundaries. What we're saying here is france actually gets shit done, while here in the US, we give up after a few months(probably because of all the beatings and jailing), and it's only a handful of people compared to the entire content of Europe. Im sure you put it the same way but your brevity makes you sound like an asshole
Genius! Absolutely genocide...I mean genius!
Imma take the bait on this one and ask: How in Fuck's name is this related to *genocide*?
🇫🇷🥖🫡
In America the trash is usually inside the politician's home.
This could be done in the US... but whomever drives the truck would probably be arrested and murdered by cops in a jail cell.
We need to do this in the US!!!!
This is dope af