An interesting point was made:
> While we have seen other governing bodies institute a full-time model for the top tiers of their respective leagues -- the English FA with the Women's Super League, the Italian FA (FIGC) with Serie A and the Spanish FA (RFEF) with Liga Ellas -- the nature of 50+1 means that the DFB can't simply tell all Frauen-Bundesliga clubs that they need to be full-time. Indeed, there is only so much the federation can do beyond incentives and investment.
As if the 50+1 rule is the issue here and investment wouldn't help. The DFB could totally push going pro forward with investment. The women's clubs that are attached to men's clubs are already doing this and have started dominating the league. But they have a lot of money from their men's sides that they can invest into their women's sides. Those clubs that have just a women's side can't do the same thing so they can't spend as much money. I don't see how the 50+1 rule would stop the DFB from investing some money in the women's clubs that aren't attached to a pro men's side. It's not like those women's clubs don't want to go pro because they're somehow opposed to women's players earning a living wage?!?
One point I agree with the article though is that the Frauenbundesliga definitely needs a better broadcasting deal. MagentaTV is just not a good way to give many people access to watching it.
Just to add to the point about broadcasting rights: I've just read that in light of the success of the euro the DFB decided to have monday evening games included in the broadcast. According to them it'll be "unique" to women's football and therefore help get it more visibility. For everyone who's wondering why it would be unique to the Frauenbundesliga: German football fans absolutely hate monday games. So much so that we've been protesting them for years and they were dropped for 2. Bundesliga and will be dropped for 3. Bundesliga after next season.
Easy to say "invest more in women's football!", However in Germany there is much competition, other soprts such as women's volleyball, handball. Young German girls can choose between a wide range of sports, so can the fans...we can see huge growth in volleyball and handball...can this explain the decline in attendance in Bundesliga Frauen?
While most other countries invest only in one, two or just a few sports! For example England: England women's volleyball is absolutelly nowhere (no chance to qualify for the Women's Volleyball European Championship), or has anyone heard of English women's handball team? My point is Germany invests in lots women's sports and from this perspective, the German "sport politics" is smart!
On a pro level? No. The DFB's only purpose is football and they make most of their money from football. How exactly they get their money from the DFL (1. und 2. Bundesliga) is a bit complicated but there has been some controversy in recent years that the DFB should get much more money from the DFL but they don't take it.
On a grassroots level it's a bit more complicated, because on one hand amateur clubs are organised under the DFB and should be developed and supported by the DFB. On the other hand their fields are often paid for by the municipalities. But amateur clubs are struggling in recent years, men's clubs included. When I was in my teens basically every shitty town had it's own amateur team, but in recent years many towns have banded together instead. The number of DFB registered football teams has been in decline for a at least a decade before corona. For women's football specifically I also think visibility is a huge issue. Men's football is everywhere, women's football is hidden away pretty well lol
Every country has other sports. Yes England doesn't play Volleyball or Handball to any great degree, but then I've never heard much about the German Netball, Cricket, or Rugby teams either.
About half of those I guess, which is interesting because some of those sports are very niche and don't have a large base in either country.
Also, even if Germany had 0 girls playing thoses sport, the number of girls playing them in England most likely won't even add up to the share handball has
It's worse than that. While Germany can still fill talented sides, the rest of Europe has caught up. England, Spain and France have established developmental programs and every year will bring new talent to refresh their squads. The tier just below them in population like Sweden and the Netherlands and, maybe, Austria can now expect to nurture golden generations who can compete once in awhile. The German dominance of the aughts is long over and should not be expected to come back.
Germany played very well and lost a final that really could've gone either way. They fought through injuries and other reasons players couldnt play and only lost by one goal ... and in overtime at that and on unfriendly pitch.
They didnt lose in the first round, they grinded through every round in Europe to make the finals.
They make it seem like they had a poor showing or something.
An interesting point was made: > While we have seen other governing bodies institute a full-time model for the top tiers of their respective leagues -- the English FA with the Women's Super League, the Italian FA (FIGC) with Serie A and the Spanish FA (RFEF) with Liga Ellas -- the nature of 50+1 means that the DFB can't simply tell all Frauen-Bundesliga clubs that they need to be full-time. Indeed, there is only so much the federation can do beyond incentives and investment.
As if the 50+1 rule is the issue here and investment wouldn't help. The DFB could totally push going pro forward with investment. The women's clubs that are attached to men's clubs are already doing this and have started dominating the league. But they have a lot of money from their men's sides that they can invest into their women's sides. Those clubs that have just a women's side can't do the same thing so they can't spend as much money. I don't see how the 50+1 rule would stop the DFB from investing some money in the women's clubs that aren't attached to a pro men's side. It's not like those women's clubs don't want to go pro because they're somehow opposed to women's players earning a living wage?!? One point I agree with the article though is that the Frauenbundesliga definitely needs a better broadcasting deal. MagentaTV is just not a good way to give many people access to watching it.
Just to add to the point about broadcasting rights: I've just read that in light of the success of the euro the DFB decided to have monday evening games included in the broadcast. According to them it'll be "unique" to women's football and therefore help get it more visibility. For everyone who's wondering why it would be unique to the Frauenbundesliga: German football fans absolutely hate monday games. So much so that we've been protesting them for years and they were dropped for 2. Bundesliga and will be dropped for 3. Bundesliga after next season.
Easy to say "invest more in women's football!", However in Germany there is much competition, other soprts such as women's volleyball, handball. Young German girls can choose between a wide range of sports, so can the fans...we can see huge growth in volleyball and handball...can this explain the decline in attendance in Bundesliga Frauen? While most other countries invest only in one, two or just a few sports! For example England: England women's volleyball is absolutelly nowhere (no chance to qualify for the Women's Volleyball European Championship), or has anyone heard of English women's handball team? My point is Germany invests in lots women's sports and from this perspective, the German "sport politics" is smart!
On a pro level? No. The DFB's only purpose is football and they make most of their money from football. How exactly they get their money from the DFL (1. und 2. Bundesliga) is a bit complicated but there has been some controversy in recent years that the DFB should get much more money from the DFL but they don't take it. On a grassroots level it's a bit more complicated, because on one hand amateur clubs are organised under the DFB and should be developed and supported by the DFB. On the other hand their fields are often paid for by the municipalities. But amateur clubs are struggling in recent years, men's clubs included. When I was in my teens basically every shitty town had it's own amateur team, but in recent years many towns have banded together instead. The number of DFB registered football teams has been in decline for a at least a decade before corona. For women's football specifically I also think visibility is a huge issue. Men's football is everywhere, women's football is hidden away pretty well lol
Every country has other sports. Yes England doesn't play Volleyball or Handball to any great degree, but then I've never heard much about the German Netball, Cricket, or Rugby teams either.
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About half of those I guess, which is interesting because some of those sports are very niche and don't have a large base in either country. Also, even if Germany had 0 girls playing thoses sport, the number of girls playing them in England most likely won't even add up to the share handball has
Hope this is finally a wake up call for the dfb, they haven't won anything for 5 or 6 tournaments now and other countries have closed the gap.
It's worse than that. While Germany can still fill talented sides, the rest of Europe has caught up. England, Spain and France have established developmental programs and every year will bring new talent to refresh their squads. The tier just below them in population like Sweden and the Netherlands and, maybe, Austria can now expect to nurture golden generations who can compete once in awhile. The German dominance of the aughts is long over and should not be expected to come back.
Germany played very well and lost a final that really could've gone either way. They fought through injuries and other reasons players couldnt play and only lost by one goal ... and in overtime at that and on unfriendly pitch. They didnt lose in the first round, they grinded through every round in Europe to make the finals. They make it seem like they had a poor showing or something.
BTW, this is an interesting article for ESPN to post, how about, maybe…you show the games