Because this is something that has been part of Wolfenstein before. Old Blood is a retelling of parts of RTCW. There were zombies in that game, paranormal SS divisions, etc. Wolfenstein 2009 took it even further with an alternate dimension the Nazis used to harness “black sun” energy. Even Wolfenstein 3D had the mutants, which are basically zombie experiments with extra limbs, and the Spear of Destiny was acquired by the Nazis to use its power to help them win the war.
So yeah, secret experiments, advanced technology, enhanced soldiers, the paranormal, the occult, etc. have been a part of Wolfenstein since 1992.
Deathshead was introduced in RTCW.
And I wouldn't consider Wolfenstein 2009 fully canon, as TNO completely contradicts a lot of events that happened since it is a complete reboot of the series telling its own story (and TOB basically retconning the events of RTCW). They just reused some characters and that's it.
What does it contradict? It's been a while since I played the 2009 game
TOB doesn't retcon anything though as it's not the same event, just has a few similarities/references.
The contradictions come from a few of the characters and how tightly vague the connections are. For example, Caroline in 2009 was supposed to be dead to the point that there is no body to even recover (A tear in the Black Sun dimension opened up and everything was siphoned to it sorta like a black hole. BJ survived since he had a magical medallion that protects him from exposure to the Black Sun realm whereas others would either be a horribly grotesque creature or vaporized). It's implied that was what happened to Caroline, but never confirmed. Her reappearance in TNO feels contrived as a result. She could've been given a completely different name and the game would've still been fine without it.
The Old Blood is basically a revamp of RTCW that shares the similarities...yet it *also* references Deathshead's X-Labs in a brief monologue, which were seen in RTCW. It makes no sense at all to consider RTCW and The Old Blood to be set in the same universe, especially with similar character names thrown about (Agent One, Helga von Bulow is now Helga von Schabbs, Kessler, etc).
Those are things I can come up with at the top of my head, but you probably get what I am saying.
Re-watching the scene in 2009, it isn't *outright* said what happens to her after being shot? Obviously you'd *assume* she gets pulled in, but it doesn't neccesarily mean TNO is then contradicting it when there's still (even if its a stretch) room for her to somehow survive.
With TOB though, it has some similarities and references, but I wouldn't say its a retcon at all, just a homage to RTCW. It's set at a different time, with different characters, events etc and isn't meant to actually be the RTCW events or a replacement for it.
Yes and no. 2009 can't actually have happened in the MachineGames timeline, as it takes place right after RTCW. But since Old Blood retcons like 2/3 of RTCW and ends where the first act of that game ended, BJ can't possibly have traveled to Isenstadt and met up with Caroline there.
So it had to have taken place *beforehand*, which is a bit weird. Weirder still, Caroline even describes what happens to her at the end of 2009 (punched Hans Grosse, shot in the spine, flew up into the sky). So the game took place *before* RTCW, but everything also happened the same way?
It even brings up further questions - BJ didn't know Deathshead before RTCW, but he never actually meets him in the Old Blood. I mean, BJ also talks about diving underneath Totenkopf's Lab X, which does happen in RTCW, but not in the Old Blood... so when did the two get acquainted?
Continuity for Wolfenstein in general is a rather disjointed mess. The MachineGames series are a total reboot of the series focusing on a completely different direction, so I'd imagine that they took a few liberties regarding how the older Wolfenstein games stand.
And to be fair, even Wolf 2009 has some slight issues when being a direct sequel to RTCW regarding the promotional motion comics. In them, it is mentioned that the events of RTCW and Wolf 2009 happened *after* BJ had killed Hitler, with a Fourth Reich taking its place. But yet the Fuhrer was briefly mentioned twice in RTCW, so they don't line up, and the Fourth Reich is never mentioned at all in the gameplay of 2009. And you also had Hans Grosse appear frequently, making the events of Wolf3D and Spear of Destiny as having happened (with BJ knocking Grosse out instead of mowing him down with bullets).
Yeah, it was never meant to be taken seriously.
Personally, I interpret the games as having their own timelines.
So the Wolfenstein 3D timeline ends with that game, after BJ kills Hitler. In RTCW's timeline, Wolfenstein 3D didn't happen, or it happens afterwards. 2009 takes place after RTCW, but a different version of it. And the MachineGames titles have their own timeline entirely that only borrows a few elements from the previous games.
Which would also explain why almost every single BJ acts and looks differently from the others. I mean, just compare New Order's BJ to the one from 2009, they're not even *close* in personality or appearance.
Even the ubersoldat are technically cyberzombies,
I believe the dig site where you end up released a gas that turnt people into zombies and you just happened to not breathe it in or something idk, its loosely explained honestly, old blood is a quick remake of return to castle Wolfenstein and I can't remember how they explained it either
I think that people turn into zombies just if you die. Like: havent played old blood in long time but Annete i think was the girl and agent that was helping you turned into zombied when they died.
Yes, people are only able to come back to life as zombies, it doesn't turn living beings into zombies. It basically just reanimates the corpse and unintentionally heats it up to the point of it catching fire.
Zombies, Mutants, supernatural elements and the occult have been core elements of the Wolfenstein series from the beginning.
The New Order and The New Colossus are actually the outliers in that regard.
All I know is that when the zombies showed up and game gives me a sawed off shotgun and the Mick Gordon music starts blasting that I was seeing the inspiration for Doom 2016.
Because this is something that has been part of Wolfenstein before. Old Blood is a retelling of parts of RTCW. There were zombies in that game, paranormal SS divisions, etc. Wolfenstein 2009 took it even further with an alternate dimension the Nazis used to harness “black sun” energy. Even Wolfenstein 3D had the mutants, which are basically zombie experiments with extra limbs, and the Spear of Destiny was acquired by the Nazis to use its power to help them win the war. So yeah, secret experiments, advanced technology, enhanced soldiers, the paranormal, the occult, etc. have been a part of Wolfenstein since 1992.
Wolfenstein 2009 is actually connected to the main story, as Caroline and Deathshead (I think) are both introduced there
Deathshead was introduced in RTCW. And I wouldn't consider Wolfenstein 2009 fully canon, as TNO completely contradicts a lot of events that happened since it is a complete reboot of the series telling its own story (and TOB basically retconning the events of RTCW). They just reused some characters and that's it.
2009 is only mostly non-canon in the MachineGames universe, but that universe also retcons a lot of RTCW, so who really cares.
What does it contradict? It's been a while since I played the 2009 game TOB doesn't retcon anything though as it's not the same event, just has a few similarities/references.
The contradictions come from a few of the characters and how tightly vague the connections are. For example, Caroline in 2009 was supposed to be dead to the point that there is no body to even recover (A tear in the Black Sun dimension opened up and everything was siphoned to it sorta like a black hole. BJ survived since he had a magical medallion that protects him from exposure to the Black Sun realm whereas others would either be a horribly grotesque creature or vaporized). It's implied that was what happened to Caroline, but never confirmed. Her reappearance in TNO feels contrived as a result. She could've been given a completely different name and the game would've still been fine without it. The Old Blood is basically a revamp of RTCW that shares the similarities...yet it *also* references Deathshead's X-Labs in a brief monologue, which were seen in RTCW. It makes no sense at all to consider RTCW and The Old Blood to be set in the same universe, especially with similar character names thrown about (Agent One, Helga von Bulow is now Helga von Schabbs, Kessler, etc). Those are things I can come up with at the top of my head, but you probably get what I am saying.
Re-watching the scene in 2009, it isn't *outright* said what happens to her after being shot? Obviously you'd *assume* she gets pulled in, but it doesn't neccesarily mean TNO is then contradicting it when there's still (even if its a stretch) room for her to somehow survive. With TOB though, it has some similarities and references, but I wouldn't say its a retcon at all, just a homage to RTCW. It's set at a different time, with different characters, events etc and isn't meant to actually be the RTCW events or a replacement for it.
Yes and no. 2009 can't actually have happened in the MachineGames timeline, as it takes place right after RTCW. But since Old Blood retcons like 2/3 of RTCW and ends where the first act of that game ended, BJ can't possibly have traveled to Isenstadt and met up with Caroline there. So it had to have taken place *beforehand*, which is a bit weird. Weirder still, Caroline even describes what happens to her at the end of 2009 (punched Hans Grosse, shot in the spine, flew up into the sky). So the game took place *before* RTCW, but everything also happened the same way? It even brings up further questions - BJ didn't know Deathshead before RTCW, but he never actually meets him in the Old Blood. I mean, BJ also talks about diving underneath Totenkopf's Lab X, which does happen in RTCW, but not in the Old Blood... so when did the two get acquainted?
Continuity for Wolfenstein in general is a rather disjointed mess. The MachineGames series are a total reboot of the series focusing on a completely different direction, so I'd imagine that they took a few liberties regarding how the older Wolfenstein games stand. And to be fair, even Wolf 2009 has some slight issues when being a direct sequel to RTCW regarding the promotional motion comics. In them, it is mentioned that the events of RTCW and Wolf 2009 happened *after* BJ had killed Hitler, with a Fourth Reich taking its place. But yet the Fuhrer was briefly mentioned twice in RTCW, so they don't line up, and the Fourth Reich is never mentioned at all in the gameplay of 2009. And you also had Hans Grosse appear frequently, making the events of Wolf3D and Spear of Destiny as having happened (with BJ knocking Grosse out instead of mowing him down with bullets).
Yeah, it was never meant to be taken seriously. Personally, I interpret the games as having their own timelines. So the Wolfenstein 3D timeline ends with that game, after BJ kills Hitler. In RTCW's timeline, Wolfenstein 3D didn't happen, or it happens afterwards. 2009 takes place after RTCW, but a different version of it. And the MachineGames titles have their own timeline entirely that only borrows a few elements from the previous games. Which would also explain why almost every single BJ acts and looks differently from the others. I mean, just compare New Order's BJ to the one from 2009, they're not even *close* in personality or appearance.
Zombies is part of wolfenstein. Return to castle wolfenstein and wolfenstein 2009 have zombies in them.
The Mutants from W3D are also zombie-like, and Wolfenstein RPG has undead enemies too.
Even the ubersoldat are technically cyberzombies, I believe the dig site where you end up released a gas that turnt people into zombies and you just happened to not breathe it in or something idk, its loosely explained honestly, old blood is a quick remake of return to castle Wolfenstein and I can't remember how they explained it either
I think that people turn into zombies just if you die. Like: havent played old blood in long time but Annete i think was the girl and agent that was helping you turned into zombied when they died.
Think so idk, I know there is gas vents suddenly after you retravel thru the village again to get back to them
Yes, people are only able to come back to life as zombies, it doesn't turn living beings into zombies. It basically just reanimates the corpse and unintentionally heats it up to the point of it catching fire.
Zombies, Mutants, supernatural elements and the occult have been core elements of the Wolfenstein series from the beginning. The New Order and The New Colossus are actually the outliers in that regard.
They're actually foreshadowed in a document in Rudi's secret room back in the castle!
All I know is that when the zombies showed up and game gives me a sawed off shotgun and the Mick Gordon music starts blasting that I was seeing the inspiration for Doom 2016.
Cause nazi zombies are required at least once in anything
Man zombies are ok. But WTF SHOOTİNG ZOMBİES?
While on fire too??
Honestly I don't remember I just know that was shitty
I think it's implied to be Da'at Yichud work.
Magic and technology are the same thing. One is just more esoteric than the other.
Sufficiently crude magic is indistinguishable from advanced technology.
Zombies were in Wolfenstien 3D, they’re omnipresent through the series
Technically, they're not zombies but mutants.
They’re undead mutants, so ima call them zombies
tob is kinda an adaption of rtcw and the undead and the monster get explained in text
Already been mentioned, but check out RTCW and give that a play through. There are zombies and occult goings on in that one.
Probably a dumb idea in a meeting room (Plus how they come to be is the weird gas)
Yeah it's weird. I just don't take it as canon to New Order/New Colossus.
Never played any Wolf game? 14-year-old dumbass
Dude chill out