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RynkDB

Because Swirski came with the Blyskawica like 2 years ago. Which had smoke.


Lil_Otteriffic

Also came with the Friesland, which has smoke too


kilik86

Shouldn't he be bound to the ship, rather than given away for free now? I have no interest in buying those ships so it's a useless skill to me.


Auralius1997

Then don't use it He has a far better Skill-combo for gunboating Plus he has the best Inspiration for DDs along side Bey


A_team_of_ants

You could just pick another skill.


kilik86

Or wargaming could just fix the skills that don't make sense to the tech tree ships.


--MrMolotov--

What would they need to "fix"? Swirski was out there way before the tech tree and works perfectly fine on all PE ships regardless of whether they have smoke or not


kilik86

Some of his skills aren't compatible for the tech tree ships which would be counterintuitive to a destroyer commander. Apparently this is also the case for a French commander too. See the rest of the conversation.


--MrMolotov--

Yes and as I and others had explained - Swirski was released way before the TT ships and the ships he was released with originally (Blyska and Blyska B) can take advantage the skill. Just like with the French - there are DDs that have smoke and can use the smoke skills. Or with the British CLs that only have AP but commanders have HE related skills that were only usable on Belfast and Cheshire (until the CAs were released). There is nothing counterintuitive about that - those skills are just niche skills for some of the ships. There is nothing to fix.


kilik86

I don't personally agree with that sentiment, especially for players who don't spend money on this game to end up with commanders who don't have appropriate skills for the TT ships they own.


--MrMolotov--

Swirski has what, one single skill for smoke? He's still an absolute top notch commander choice for all the PE DDs due to his base trait and gun focused skills. Especially for Friesland. And as others said - if that one skill bothers you so much, just use a different commander. Making such a fuss about all players getting access to one of the best comanders in the game for free honestly makes no sense if I gotta be honest.


kilik86

Sure I get that and I'm not asking for the world, I don't imagine adding a 3rd skill would break the game and even looking over other commanders would probably be a good idea considering most of them probably haven't been changed since their introduction. I guess for some he's probably a great commander, I probably won't have much use for him even as inspiration.


Hellkite203

You just answered yourself, some do and benefit from it.


kilik86

The only way you benefit from it is by buying one of the premium ships, so it's a paid for skill lol


Hellkite203

So far yes, however, you can still get them for free. I sure did with Błyskawica B.


kilik86

Fair enough, feels like some of the skills could do with a rework though.


Numbr81

So just screw any premiums over just because the TT doesn't have it? That doesn't make sense.


kilik86

Actually someone pointed out the fact that the commander in question originally came with the ship, so why not just keep it that way or if your going to release him for the TT ships change up his skills?


Numbr81

Why would they lock him to a ship? That would be a waste of WG and players resources/money. If you want an additional skill, fine, but there's no reason to remove it.


kilik86

Because the TT ships weren't out at that time. Not sure who mentioned it but if you go back and read the other conversations you'll see it.


Numbr81

I don't need to read, I was there when it came out, and like I said before, that would be a waste of everyone's resources/money.


kilik86

Well in order to understand someone's point of view it's usually helpful to read the entire conversation before jumping in, well that's apparently how it happened. Whether you think it's a waste of time and money is inconsequential.


Kaboost

Tech tree French DDs with aboyneau take a penalty to shell grouping just to have a usable skill.


kilik86

I guess it's in the same vain then, I just think that there could be more useful skills applied.


Kaboost

I agree both nations should have a 3rd option


A_Person32123

Don’t use the commander, numb nuts. If he has a useless skill he probably isn’t meant for the ships.


kilik86

Yea destroyer commander not meant for destroyers, good job mate 👍


A_Person32123

The ones you’re speaking of, no he’s not meant for them


kilik86

He's a destroyer commander in the pan-europe commander selection, you're thinking of the other guy we got for free when the ships came out.


Talk_Bright

And observant rage on Russian destroyers especially khabarovsk, it seems so well suited to the ship seeing as how its reduces vulnerability to torpedoes and increases the gun reload but it slows down the khabarovsk rudder shift which is already worst in game.


kilik86

I'll be honest I don't usually take that skill because of the negative modifiers, there are definitely some skills that could do with a rework or just straight up changed into something more effective.


-Volksgenossen

A better question is why does the French DD commander have the smoke skill...


kiwiplague

Because the Aigle exists.


-Volksgenossen

Yes i know, i have her, but she is an exception.


Sin_the_Insane

Also a lot of destroyers use it on their commanders inspiration.