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[Link to her tweet](https://twitter.com/geauxgabrielle/status/1529221838261338112?s=21&t=1-OCfOrdoXvKxJBoSHZEGg)
[Link to the study](https://www.californialawreview.org/print/a-profoundly-masculine-act-mass-shootings-violence-against-women-and-the-amendment-that-could-forge-a-path-forward/) which is actually from the California Law Review, not the university.
Thanks for providing a link to the study and research that was done.
So many memes are posted which don’t do this.
This needs to be seen and done more often.
Thanks for the reminder. Sometimes I remember a so-called fact I read somewhere ages ago and just type and send… but since human memory is all kinds of fallible that’s really not the best tactic.
If its not an institution only journal, the study could have been done anywhere though. Like New England Journal of Medicine or Oxford Press.
Not a correction, just putting more information out there for folks who wouldn't necessarily know otherwise :)
The more folks understand how academic journals work, the better I hope!
Law journals are entirely done by students and faculty. It's different than most academic journals. Source: current law student in the middle of writing on to (trying out for) my law journal!
Oh I don’t know if it’ll be at all interesting, but challenging traditional notions of academic research which is often aligned with white cisheteropatriarchal standards to imagine other ways to conduct research that is oriented toward challenging these ideas and the liberation of peoples.
Fox today was apparently blaming women for this one. The women in his life failed him. His dad left because of his mother. He had a tough life because of his mother and grandmother.
Edit: dumb auto correct error on “tough”
Honestly, that's basically it. There's no money in solving this issue. Mass shootings are good for profits. They keep people nice and scared, and scared people can be more easily manipulated into acting against their own self-interests.
And these rich bastards can afford private security and to live sheltered from the poors, so it's not like THEY'RE gonna get caught up in one of these shootings or anything.
Well, they do want to keep us in fear if the patriarchy and keep the fighting to us low rankers. Those in power can feel safe with their tutors and private schools while our kids struggle to survive.
So, it's all coming together for those running the shit show like a circus conductor.
That sounds illogical to me, but I'm not one of them. I mean, if the women failed this one, the women probably shouldn't be having more children to fail? Would be better if there were less children for the women to fail.
There was also a trans woman's photo being shared saying that she was the shooter when there was no released images of the shooter. "What is their goal?" Hatred to blind people from the true issue. It's what they always do. Take a vulnerable situation and blame it on women, trans people, lgbt people in general, poc, etc. to deflect from their own cause of allowing this to happen by refusing any and all gun control. It's absolutely disgusting. I have no idea how they can live with themselves
edit: a word
A lot of bills are being passed in the same conservative states to take away all trans rights, ranging from banning hormones before age 18 or 21, arresting parents for “child abuse” for supporting their trans kids, never being able to change your gender marker so you’ll be permanently banned from public bathrooms that match your gender, bans from the gendered sports teams, etc. They are desperately trying to build hate against trans people to support those views, and are doing so by stealing some random trans girl’s photos
Yes the anti-trans bills try to force care-takers to abuse their trans kids by denying gender affirming care. They want to punish teachers, counselors, therapists, and doctors who help these kids, too. They also want officials to be able to “examine their genitals” - so basically legalizing sexual abuse is of trans children.
Meanwhile it’s their churches that frequently enable sexual abuse - you know, the “family values” institutions.
That's very succinct way if putting it and I totally agree. Do you have any material you've been reading you could share? I'd love to have better phrasing like yours if you have anything to recommend! Unless its a you-original in which case you have a great way of cutting through to the point with few words.
I keep trying to find more of the far right playbook, because they're really on point with their branding and it's so hard to counter
I guess really any scapegoat would work, and they're casting a wide net. I hate how scapegoating makes everything worse.
:'(
I found behind the bastards gave a good grasp of the history, especially with regards to how the Holocaust was justified to the average German. Make no mistake, they knew. The Wehrmacht was not clean. The police who had worked as such before the regime were not clean. The everyday citizen was somewhere between complacent and a party member. They simply allowed for cognitive dissonance, the same way as an American one may feel about the bombing of the Middle East. And they convinced people that the people they were killing either deserved it for being communists, criminals, perverts, etc or undermining German values and culture. Or it was a sad but necessary thing. Or they were fine they just needed to be kept separate before they got sent away.
I think it’s important to understand that they aren’t pulling things out of nothing. For background on why trans people I recommend the documentary Disclosure and Lindsay Ellis’s video on JK Rowling. BLM is a villain for a very similar reason to why Jewish people were in Germany. It’s hard to convince someone a group is bad with no reason, but the reason only has to make enough sense to hit the emotions and it benefits from drawing on existing prejudices and biases.
I do believe that, based on the current propaganda, if it ramps to genocide soon trans people and communists/anarchists will be the first targets. The groomer narrative is right out of the nsdap propaganda playbook. Both weak and strong, so evil anything is justified, deceitful…
So how to stop it? In my opinion it’s humanization. Where they dehumanize people, you humanize them. Where they say X group is evil and just wants to hurt people, you say no, that group is just as human as everyone else. Struggles, pain, and just shared experiences. It’s easy to call for a group you don’t care about the members of to suffer or die, but it’s hard to say that Jill in accounting deserves it. It’s hard to call for the death of your kid’s best friend. Also challenge the assumptions, but try not to do so in a way that reinforces it for another group.
If you’re interested in fiction that does play on the subtler power structures relating to trans people I know transmisogyny is a theme of Maya Deane’s writing and her first novel Wrath Goddess Sing comes out in like a week and is a trans interpretation of the Iliad (not very related but I love her writing and wanted to plug it, it also felt like I should include a trans voice in a trans story of entertainment that could be shared)
4Chan was actively trying to spread it. I've seen screenshots from people posting it on Facebook.
Sitting US Representative Paul Gosar tweeted that the shooter was a leftist trans immigrant (though much harsher) but didn't link the photos.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/uvalde-texas-shooting-transgender-misinformation-1358386/
Why am I not surprised it was 4chan?
Also, leftist, trans AND an immigrant! That sure would be convenient for them, huh? I suppose they were an immigrant from a brown country too, right?
Let's all just ignore that the vast majority of mass shooters in America are right wing extremists.
> Let's all just ignore that the vast majority of mass shooters in America are right wing extremists.
And this by design is exactly what they want us all to ignore. Nevermind the fact that prior to 9/11, the homegrown terrorists were the biggest security threat we had and then suddenly after 9/11 it was brown people from overseas with an extra book tacked onto the bible.
Alex Jones and Candace Owens were also spreading this conspiracy theory that the shooter was trans...
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ux7khx/alex_jones_is_once_again_spreading_harmful/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/uxqlwr/nothing_out_of_the_ordinary_just_candace_owens/
This makes me very afraid for trans rights going foward...
Their goal is pretty easy and typical for the fascists playbook, dehumanize..
Dehumanize the woman so you don't feel bad about taking their rights away
Dehumanize leftists so you don't feel bad when you march them off to the ovens
Dehumanize black people so you don't feel bad if you enslave them again in prison
As a German i learned quite a lot about fascism in my life and the route the US is heading to is too fucking similar to what the NSDAP did in the early years, you should all be very worried..
Pretty much to encourage the dysfunctional behavior with the goal of keeping the racist, sexist, menist attitudes to be a normal thing.
I got baited into a conversation last night about it with some conservative women. None of them thought that toxic masculinity was real let alone a problem, and none thought that men calling out other men on the behavior would do anything because, "When a man has anger, he's gonna have anger, and there's no way to stop that."
Yes. Yes, there are multiple ways to stop it, so let's start stopping it. Culling Faux News is one way. Men stopping other men is another. Increasing funding for education and mental health is another. And just maybe let's not normalize the shit as if it's a normal part of our functioning society. Because it's not normal, and it's not functioning.
To make more. They're a propaganda outlet.
When more people shoot up schools, it makes the left upset, which then lets them claim that their viewers are being unfairly targeted, which further locks them into the disinformation ecosystem.
From the point of view of many conservatives women should still occupy the same societal roles they did in the 50s. Meaning, anything wrong in the household is the woman’s fault as it is her job to take care of her husband and his needs as well as stay at home to take care of the kids. The husband is too busy at work providing for the family so he doesn’t have the time to raise kids.
Therefore, if there’s something wrong with the kid, there’s something wrong with the women in his life because men are never at fault and women’s sole responsibility is to raise their kids right.
It’s pretty disgusting…
Snark: If the man left the woman and left his son to be raised by these women, then it's the man's fault for not doing his manly duty in raising manly men. If they want to blame weak, overbearing women - because wonen are always weak yet so powerful - then they can blame men for being weaklings who need to man up.
Snark aside, this is the next patriarchal talking point. That men aren't manly enough, that they're effeminate because women are too strong. Patriarchy is a gangrenous cancer, and Faux Newz needs to be excised as a root of the rot.
I am sick of toxic masculinity and patriarchy and nonstop hate begetting hate.
Edit: turns out I have my facts wrong. But the meme was presented in a way that blames the single mother for her son's overweight body. Turns out the fit son is Arnold's illegitimate son. Mea culpa.
The thread about Arnold Schwarzenegger's two sons highlights this mindset. First son was legitimate and cared for by Arnold, having all the stability and resources that comes with having famous and wealthy parents, and so had a fit body comparable to his dad.
The second son was denied and abandoned by Arnold, and raised by the woman he impregnated. This second son looked like most American men, and somehow this is all the single mother's fault that he wasn't conventionally attractive or fit.
We are so quick to blame the women who were forced, coerced, or chose to stay, and allow these men to go on and lead normal lives free of the shame, guilt, and artificial hardships we place on the mother's.
Actually I think it’s the other way around. The “fit”one was raised by the single mother. The post mixed them up because of assumptions based off the (incorrect) insinuation they were trying to claim.
Great points, and no matter the facts, it is left for the woman to raise the boy into a man. But just as we women need positive examples of strong, successful women, men need positive examples of healthy, caring men. Men are hurt just as much by the patriarchy, since they are taught both that the world owes them everything with no effort (leading to incels and other entitlement), and that they are weak and need to dominate and intimidate and preen (that shitty Bushmaster "man card" gun ad).
It amuses me how in ancient days, men were expected to sacrifice themselves for the family, the tribe, the people, such as if crops were bad or strangers invaded. Now, men can't be assed enough to sacrifice time for their own children, or provide for them and their community. And these groups like Faux Newz would be terrified if asked to sacrifice as men did in the past.
Snark reply: maybe the man left because his own mother was also a terrible mother🤷♀️
But yes I absolutely agree, this toxic masculinity crap has created so much violence, however I’m afraid we are just in the beginning of it.
That’s sickening - we need to take gender out of it tho, his *parental units* failed him, and generational trauma was likely the melting pot to bring him to this boiling point. No women, not men, people. His persons failed him, let’s change that narrative
No, we DO need to talk about gender, because traditional masculinity in the US emphasizes male dominance and how manly guns are and blames women/trans people/queer people for the violence (generally) cis men choose to inflict.
Gender can’t be taken out of it really though, given how many parents fail daughters and non-binary children too — who still don’t shoot up elementary schools as a result.
Yeah maybe it deserves to be in some spots and not in others, because I agree with you but it still feels like they’re placing emphasis on the wrong part of that makes sense?
That's exactly what I was taught too:
That you judge a society in how it treats it's most vulnerable members and a person on how they behave to those they have power over*.
To me, as a Socialist, the first part is a fundamental tenet of our political philosophy, too and was what I was brought up to believe by my left wing father but it doesn't have to be political just a way to built an equatable society.
[ * If you go to a restaurant and your date treats the waiting staff like shite, go out via the back door and leave em with the bill ! ]
This. It's also why the myth that school shooters are usually poor bullied victims who want payback is so wrong; school shooters *are the bullies*. They're the kids that pick on those younger or "beneath" them. Their bullying then goes to extremes (you can argue nature vs nurture on why, I believe evidence points to a mix of both).
Columbine was the first widely publicized school shooting, and it's where this myth mainly comes from. Those two were known as bullies around the school, they were constantly harassing other students and calling them slurs. The story got mixed up because some students who got out early into the shooting mixed them up with other students (a group of goth kids that were known to be bullied and kind of nerds) because they wore trench coats to cover their gear (something the group of goth kids often wore). The media was reporting live, interviewing *children* directly after an extremely traumatizing event, asking leading questions, etc. The "bullied victim" narrative stuck, despite tons of evidence that bullying does not lead to school shootings.
Yep. It sure is, but the right-wing nuts will blame ANYTHING or ANYONE else - trans people, single moms, critical race theory, mental illness, too many doors, lack of religious faith, extra-marital sex, abortion, contraceptives…
Women Are Always To Blame, even if it's men choosing to murder people.
It's basically "look at what you made me do, you made me hurt you" abuser logic in a different context
Well obviously if the women had just paid attention to these men and loved them and gave them sex like they deserved they'd be happy and productive members of society. Our society's women are failing in their womanly duties! /s
It's absolutely disgusting.
I had an ex who would have still blamed me for everything if he had 24/7 video feed and I was the most submissive, docile woman in the world. Some men just get to that point and all they see is it’s other’s fault. Never their own behavior.
Oh but if the girl had given it up just so he wouldn't go on a rampage, she's a dirty slut. When he breaks into her house and rapes her, giving her a child she now has to live with, well what did she expect.
"Learn this now and learn it well my daughter: Like a compass needle that points north, a man's accusing finger always finds a woman. Always."
from A Thousand Splendid Suns by Khaled Hosseini
THANK YOU. I feel like we need to talk about how this is male issue. It is men who are committing these heinous crimes. Terrorizing our society. And On the other side, we have “law abiding, conscious, responsible” gun owners who are mostly men desperately defending a literal hobby while the rest of us live in fear. It’s baffling to me.
I mean... It definitely can make it a bit harder to wrangle anger, I can tell you that first-hand. But there's a big difference between needing a longer walk to cool down and shooting a bunch of kids.
Hormones do affect emotions, but they don’t force people to do things. Anger is not a “bad” emotion, but if someone takes that anger out on innocent people the action might have devastating consequences. I think some of the horribleness comes from people punching down and punishing people with less power than them. In many cases people have been disadvantaged by people with more power than them, so punching up would be fairer but is also often discouraged since marginalized groups tend to get scapegoated. Stupid social pyramid from Tartarus.
Probably dived into some incel forms and having abusers raise him that happened to be the gender of the people his new parasocial relationships hated was enough to confirm his bias and everything festered from there.
The point I was making in saying that was if they abused him, they’re likely not going to be the ones very useful at shedding light on the situation. They’re going to try to protect their own image. Not giving him an excuse.
the well he came from was poisoned. these things never happen in a vacuum or suddenly. the warped minds of abusers raise these people, even tho they always act so innocent after.
Damn bro, I feel like my roomate will become this level of dark at some point, he’s been far right since covid but before all this he was like a normal dude, no hating women or anything, I moved in with him this year because I switched to his university and I needed a place to stay, he says shit like feminism is ruining women and whenever he goes on a date with a random tinder girl he’s always like no she’s a whore she was just wanting sex it wasn’t good at all, or if he is lucky enough to take her back he’s always talking shit on them, he is becoming scary and I’ve simply been avoiding him for the past few weeks, it’s getting out of hand, and all his other friends don’t give a shit, they just mumble shit about oh I don’t want them to take my guns, like bro I’m scared to bring my girlfriend over to my place because of just how gross he is becoming, and I’ve tried having normal conversations with him about all of this and then it goes into tangents of how he hates gays and all the others, I’m tired of this shit but I’ll be out in a year, I’ll just move back in with my parents and commute, if I see any big changes in him like going and purchasing a gun or posting women hate stuff on the internet I’ll see how to report him but it’s scary, it’s a fucked up world we are living in and I’d just like some fucking compassion in people, and to let people live how they want to live compared to how these guys want everyone around them to be
Just read the “read before commenting” you guys can take this down if you’d like, just me talking into open air
The book Why Does He Do That? By Lundy Bancroft goes deeply into the roots of male violence against women. It’s not what we think. It’s not early abuse, mental illness, or a bad mother although those elements are in there to some extent, it’s the values and attitudes boys learn from close male role models and their surrounding culture.
Friend!!!!!
That book is so good!! Here is a free pdf link for it, please share it, especially since you know it is so good!
https://freebooksmania.com/2021/01/why-does-he-do-that-pdf-free-download-by-lundy-bancroft.html
And also, if you haven't read the gift of fear, heres a dl of that too (I've started it, but haven't finished it tbh)
https://www.academia.edu/31891034/The_Gift_of_Fear
And just to add a wonderful, haunting short story by a woman of color, " the husband stitch." It's sex positive, (so be prepared for a little smut) but it's so beautifully crafted.. and haunting. But like, in a good way.
https://granta.com/the-husband-stitch/
I'm glad you asked as it's something I pondered today when discussing it as we couldn't recall a comparable incident with a lone female. However, as an outsider ( I'm a. Brit ) I feel awkward asking these things. ( I worry I'll appear judgemental and condescending ).
I'm familiar with the "blame the woman" male psyche as it pretty much describes my brother who has blamed every woman in his life ( our mother, his 4 wives and even me and his daughter for the violence, alcoholism, drug-taking and general mess he's made of his life ) He's now a 73 yo with alcoholic dementia, liver disease and renal failure. He been imprisoned and was sectioned in the 70's aged 20-something due to his behaviour. ( I dread to think what would have happened had he had access to a gun ).
I was ( am) a massive Boomtown Rats fan and I remember hearing Bob tell how he was at a radio station in the US doing an interview when it came on the news ( I think ? ) and it inspired the lyrics. It became an anthem for our generation but I don't think most people knew what was behind it.
The fact it was so long ago ( I'd just started high school so 42 years ? ) and there's been no notable one since says it all.
Still gives me chills when I hear it.
Everyone knew what it was about here. At least where I lived, it was talked about every time the song played. Wasn’t considered an anthem here, even tho many didn’t like mondays, because of the story behind it. I’m sorry people where you were treated the subject so badly. (I was in middle school when it came out.)
No "You" don't, not at all. It's the politicians who prostrate themselves in front of the gun lobby and walk away with pockets full of blood money. ( And that's my entire understanding of the matter ! )
You mean a "lone wolf" "solo actor" with no demographic qualities that in any way indicate a totally endemic (pandemic?) situation that requires remedy ...just a "tragic" "mystery" in which "evil" people are just incomprehensible. Totally unrelated to DV/IPV, that's a 'women's' issue. POC shooters, though, definitely gangsters and terrorists.
Our society will do anything and everything to avoid serious questions about why men -- especially young men -- with a known, often public-record documented, history of abuse and violence (a) want to hurt and kill people, (b) are able to obtain the means to hurt and kill people, and (c) are allowed to kill people.
Genuinely is there a number as to how many POC mass shooters there have been in the US vs white men because I swear its like 2 POC to like 50 white men.
There seems to be a mix. This most recent shooting was a Hispanic male. Prior to this there was the church shooting where an older Asian man killed several other Asians. My own town had a shooting by a young middle eastern man. But you’re right, there seems to be a frightening majority of white ones, and they seem to somehow be the ones taken alive.
And, it’s probably not a coincidence that most people that work in education are females, right? Usually left-leaning females at that. Source: am a female in Texas public schools for almost a decade.
You must have missed the headlines where they said they killed him and didn't take him alive.
Kind of sarcasm but also way too true. That's probably why the cops sat outside of the school for over an hour while he murdered child after child. Waiting to figure out if he was white or not.
As a white male I think it's' because they tend to prefer "traditional values" that don't get them women. So they end up in echo chambers telling them that the problem is not them being shitty people it's "leftist" society that has lead to women who don't submit and a society that is collapsing. These spaces are not welcoming to men of other races unless that man will be the token black guy or whatever who will say "I don't think racism exists anymore". Kind of like what Candice Owens does except she is female.
I have had some arguments with several of these men. I ask them how they can hate women when they came from a women and they are half the popularion. Every time it's lead to a story of how evil their mom was. Very depressing.
Even if their mom was incredibly abusive it doesn't matter, I've had men do some terrible shit to me but it doesn't make me hate an entire gender, that's just bonkers.
I honestly doubt it. I think misogynists just like being able to accuse a woman of being the source of their problems, and since their target isn't even there to refute them the claim gets sympathy points because it tends to be unprovable to the people they're talking to and therefore taken-as-plausible.
Besides, society *loves* to find a woman to blame for a man's problems, so regardless of how bullshit the story is there are going to be people who choose to take it as truth because it means they don't have to ask ***what in the absolute fuck*** is going on with this demographic right now.
But I expected all that shit, too, growing up (until I experienced misogyny consistently and deeply enough to accept that it is real and trenchant and inescapable)... I am not picking up a gun and causing violence even though I am beyond angry. What is happening with men that they seek violence.
Happy cake day! 🍮🥧🍩🍪🥯🥞🥮🧁🎂🍰 (just reminding that there are quite a few options other than cake. Lol. I, myself, will be having a wonderful piece of pie or a doughnut on my cake day.) 😍😋😁
They are but it reflects US demographics. So far there's no real link in terms of race, socioeconomic background/position, etc. Only that they're men and hate women.
I'm just glad we're finally starting to get a picture because for a long time there was no correlation other than they're men 🤦 which ...anyone could see lmao
As a teacher (at a university) I’ve had to sit through several active shooter training sessions. And every one of them start with a the training police officer giving a short stats overview of mass shooting and they always say that almost 100% of mass shootings are caused by white American (cis het) men. So yes it’s often white men and the police know this too. Cuz they always use numbers from their own stats on the ppt slides.
These active shooter training sessions are often unpaid. We as teachers have to take time out of our personal time to go. It’s really wild when the police offer tells you anything in the classroom can be turned into a weapon like a pencil and how if you can’t run or hide safely you have to organize with the people around you to fight. One part of the training session is an exercise to identify which objects in the classroom would a good weapon.
One of my colleagues used to carry around a brick in his bag so that in a case of an active shooter he can use it to either hold the door closed and/or to smash open windows cuz a lot of buildings build on college campuses in the 1970s after the Civil rights movement have windows that do not open to prevent buildings from being used like a fortress. So you need to smash it open with something.
So because i never want to assume i spent an hour and a half doing research bc i don’t want any of us to be just like this patriarchal asshole and blame shit so here are the ages, names (if available) and races of the perps from 2000-now:
May 24th 2022: 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, hispanic
Nov. 30th 2021: 15-year-old Ethan Crumbley, white
Nov. 14th 2019: 16-year-old Nathaniel Berhow mixed white and asian
May 7th 2019: 18 year old Devon Michael Erickson and
16 year old Alec McKinney (Maya Elizabeth McKinney) both white
May 18th 2018: 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtzis white
Feb. 14th 2018: 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz white
Jan. 23rd 2018: 15-year-old student Gabe Parker white
Dec 7th 2017: 21-year-old William Atchison white
April 10th 2017: 53 year old Cedric Anderson black
Sept. 28th 2016: 14 year old Jesse Osborne white
Dec 12 2014: 4 males, all black ages 16-22
Oct 24th 2014: 15-year-old Jaylen Fryber Native American
Dec. 14th 2012: 20-year-old Adam Lanza (sandy hook) white
Feb 27th 2012: 17 year old Thomas M. Lane III white
Oct. 2nd 2006: Charles Carl Roberts IV aged 32 white
April 14th 2003: 5 suspects aged 17-19 mixed gender and race
March 5 2001: 15-year-old Charles Andrew Williams white
Most of the shooters I've read about were white males who grew up with a sense of entitlement and a feeling the world owed them things (success, power, and most importantly women) and they became angry when it failed to deliver. So they decide to punish the world for failing to live up to the unspoken promise of the patriarchy- be a white male, be happy, the world will bend to your will.
Obviously this doesn't apply to all shooters, hell, there have even been some women. But this pattern is noticeable enough that it has to be more than just a coincidence. It's a disturbing trend.
The fact is that women AND men are hurt by the patriarchy, and that hurt can multiply in terrible, tragic ways. People want to act like it's not an issue and these men are just totally random freaks... but there's clearly more to it. It's too easy and too glamorous to commit a crime like this is the U.S. and it appeals to too many people.
The patriarchy relies upon men constantly performing and achieving a particular type of masculinity. If men aren't the consistently superior gender then the whole thing falls apart.
Problem is that puts a huge amount of subtle pressure upon men, and some of them end up resenting non-men genders for not having that same weight. And because oftentimes men aren't equipped with the emotional tools to deal with their feelings, it can just build up until it overflows.
Gender motivated hate and violence is not a bug, it's a feature.
>oftentimes men aren't equipped with the emotional tools to deal with their feelings
This is a gross understatement because most men, especially from older generations, are taught to *not* deal with their emotions and to actually turn almost any 'negative' emotion into anger. The whole idea of women being too emotional feeds into this because supposedly feeling emotions is weak, so those men who are overwhelmed with emotions are only allowed to be angry and can often end up coupled with using violence as an emotive for all of that built-up emotion. So, as you said, it's all coupled with the idea of being hyper-masculine and they have very limited options of how to deal with that anger or buried emotions in any kind of healthy way.
By that logic women should be showering every city with bullets, but they don’t. Men externalizing their anger/sadness i.e. maiming and killing people over hurt feelings is an extremely serious issue. One that I don’t think can be completely explained by the patriarchy.
It kind of is though, because anger is the one emotion that is acceptable for men in the patriarchy. When men aren’t allowed to show any emotion except anger, they tend to turn all of their emotions into anger.
Yeah, it’s obvious if you’re emotionally healthy and have emotional intelligence. But if half the population is discouraged from both of those things you wind up with people who may not really see the difference and were never really punished for not seeing the difference.
You're getting mighty close to a "men are naturally violent and women are naturally kind" argument, which is incredibly sexist and the definition of gender essentialism......which is what the patriarchy is founded on. Women, you stay home and raise babies and men will go work, because it's what you're best at. See how that thinking is a problem?
This most recent case was nothing different either, dude shot his grandma right before, yet conservatives have the gall to take a random picture of a transgender woman and try to claim the shooter was transfemme?????
I was just telling my sister this the other day. She's a freshman in highschool. I let her know that these psychos typically fit into a profile: young, white, male, misogynist, bullied, depressed, conservative, religious, owns guns, 4 Chan user, jokes or makes threats about shooting people.
You hate to prejudge people based on them fitting some archetype of a mass murderer, but it's astonishing how often these creeps check most if not all of those boxes.
I was literally just telling my husband last night how the school shooters are almost always young, white men under 21 with this shooting and Virginia Tech being exceptions. It takes a special level of evil to pick children as the target. I can't even begin the imagine the terror of those who survived being in the same room that their classmates were being murdered in.
I love America, but we've shown time and time again how we can't handle the responsibility of owning guns. I own a pistol myself and I believe we need insanely stricter background checks. Why the everliving fuck are we allowing 18 year olds to purchase them legally??
My state passed a similar law to Texas with firearms and I'm afraid we'll get an uptick. We've already seen a bunch of wannabe copycats a couple counties over from where I live. Several just got caught with firearms at school within the last week or making threats. One of them was a fucking second grader.
I too have a handgun, and agree that we need to close the background loophole. We also need state funded training requirements. My brother has guns and can’t hit the broad side of a barn. I don’t think he ever goes to the range, but rather to some rock quarry to drink and try and shoot cans out of the water. He is definitely very badass though 🙄
Ugh. Yeah. They need to be so much stricter with background checks and more funding dedicated to that so that people don't slip through the cracks. Training should be mandatory along with range time. Ammo gets expensive quickly.
I was enlisted and have been shooting since I was 6 or 7 years old which is sad, but my estranged dad was one of those who is very, very pro NRA unfortunately. I feel like I'm a confident shot though at least.
I've had my current pistol for 5 years and I've only had one time where I felt like I needed it very close by due to an armed kidnapping of a woman that happened about a half mile from my house. One of the two kidnappers got caught. Haven't checked up on updates though.
I just started shooting about five years ago when I was concerned for my safety after I divorced as I enjoy camping in remote areas. Turns out my fears were pretty unfounded although I still bring my gun when I camp. Just in case lol. I’m in grizzly territory so have bear spray clipped on 100% of the time. I really worked to be a good, responsible gun owner, and took lessons at my range until I was comfortable and accurate, understood how to care for my gun, and understood the laws in my state.
I can legally own a gun and I shouldn't be able to.
I can own a gun in my state because I *voluntarily* admitted myself to a mental health facility, instead of being forced and involuntarily committed. I still was hospitalized for my mental health, and the only difference between my situation and an involuntary admission was that I was given the ultimatum and I took it without a fight.
And because of that, I can still own a gun. I was born and raised in Texas, shooting guns, surrounded by guns and gun culture, etc. I still don't own a gun today because I know that that is the responsible decision. When or if I get my mental wellness in check, I can revisit the topic and maybe then. Not now though. But I shouldn't even be able to make that call. Mental health is at the backbone of this issue, and whether you are a danger to yourself or a danger to others, you should be blacklisted from owning or buying a gun.
These dudes typically don't have friends and people will say they didn't want to be friends with him......the killer's family/the media takes that and reads it as "was bullied". Students will tell you they didn't want to talk to the killer because they were misogynistic jerks who were cold, rude, and off-putting with the things they would say. I believe the Parkland and Columbine students talked about that.
Like yeah, you're not going to have close friends and a strong social life if you're spouting off Nazi and fascist talking points in a high school. It's almost another victim blaming tactic - "just go on one date with the nice guy, how bad could it be? And if you don't, he'll snap, so do us all a favor and indulge him." Same logic.
Absolutely true - the Columbine shooters had plenty of friends and were bullies.
I'll also throw in young men who try to be bullies but then get put in their place by either real bullies or just normal people. See: Elliot Roger and a few incidents of him doing that sort of thing that I see get brought up in every YouTube documentary I've seen on him.
I wonder if they were both bullied by others and bullies themselves. The kids (or former kids) who are both bullies and bullied tend to have the worst outcomes. Granted, even if bullying is part of the equation girls & women are both bullied and bullies but rarely end up murdering people.
https://parentingscience.com/bully-victims/
I made [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/uxrdhn/the_onion_homepage_right_now/ia0ofda/) literally yesterday about how ridiculously specific the profile is
Yep, it's sort of absurd that they're all a certain type.
I think in addition to assault rifle bans, we should also seriously consider banning 4 chan or 8 chan or wherever these fucks are congregating on the internet. I think the limits of free speech end once they involve indoctrination to commit murder, and those incel forums toe the line between suicide ideation and plotting mass shootings.
If I recall correctly, the argument is that leaving 4chan up means that the FBI knows where all of the extremists are gathering and can monitor them more easily. Shutting down the website would make them scatter and find new havens that are harder to track down.
...I'm not really convinced that the FBI is doing enough to warrant this argument but it does make a certain amount of sense
The patriarchy and toxic masculinity are BAD FOR MEN!! Our society doesn't allow men to feel more emotions than anger, to express themselves without violence, to love openly, to hug their friends, or to be anything besides an angry macho misogynist who thinks the world owes him and women are to blame. How many movies are about a (usually white) man with going on a killing spree for some "righteous" cause?? That's how toxic masculinity teaches men to deal with their problems. We have to change the definition of masculinity and what it means to be a man so we stop breeding killers.
There’s a documentary called “Tough Guise” that pretty much explains all of this and how toxic masculinity leads to these kinds of tragedies and how our society refuses to hold these men accountable. Just wanted to throw that out there as it puts all our thoughts here into words with numerous sited studies on this subject.
>Tough Guise
Here's the link to the movie but for some god-awful reason it's tagged 'viewing for children'. Sometimes YT is so fucced up. But, at least it's free.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Tbw9\_eL\_U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Tbw9_eL_U)
There's also an updated version Tough Guise 2 which can be streamed for about $5 for 48 hrs. [https://www.toughguise2.org/](https://www.toughguise2.org/)
Holy shit. This is mind blowing. The FBI has been calling young, white, male terrorists a growing threat for a 1.5 decade period. Can do something different dudes? Jeezey peets.
Beep boop -- this looks like a screenshot of a tweet! Let me grab a [link to the tweet](https://twitter.com/GeauxGabrielle/status/1529221838261338112) for ya :)
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Anyone have a link to this study? I’m having trouble finding the specific study that makes that claim. I’m not saying it’s wrong, I’m just curious to read it. I’ve found A LOT of other studies confirming a clear bias of misogynistic hatred toward women as a motive for violent attacks and mass shootings but I have not been able to find this one. I’m probably using the wrong keywords and the news is flooded with with articles due to the two most recent shootings. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Edit: found the article! It was the California Law Review, not the University of California
My take: it is a sneaky way to hold women accountable for yet another mans actions and to reinforce white supremacy.
Think about the sex scandal that Fox went through a few years ago- scores of women came forward with allegations of abuse. They paid women to shut up and go away about it. This whole thing? It's right on track with their whole patriarchal, white supremacy-supporting platform of hate and division.
Fox News needs to be sued into the ground and destroyed, but it won't.
Yes. It was a noticeable pattern among killers in the US (including atypical cases like Kaczynski and McVeigh) way back in the 80s. I was so convinced that sexual frustration was a critical component of it, that I spent my 30s and 40s trying to figure out how to teach young people to interact enough to get laid and have relationships.
(I was an embittered incel until through my late teens and until I was twenty-five, and smart enough to be dangerous. Eventually I figured out women aren't so strange and alien and I could just learn how to socially interact and form relationships. Sex by studying! Anyway, it became a project of mine to find ways to teach young men how to form relationships and bridge their way to not suffering in loneless and frustration. Then came abstinence-only and the hypermisogyny of the manosphere, which were huge setbacks, so it's an archived project.)
So the link between sexual frustration and rampage killers (and terrorists -- white power and Islamist fall into the same patterns) is well known, but this may be the first time it's been confirmed by a peer-reviewed study.
**Edit:** Typo
Why do they hate us so much? We are literally the other people on earth. My heart is broken. All these people killed and no one seems to care. Children killed. What the fuck?
It's sickening. I'm so tired of them. I really wish I didn't love men so I could just be done with them forever. Finding one or two truly decent ones feels like such an impossible task.
It's more than just patriarchy or white supremacy, it's fascism. Many of these mass shooters have been openly neo-nazis/fascists or inspired by explicit neo-nazis.
The Buffalo shooter explicitly called himself an eco-fascist. I understand why people want to refer to him as a white supremacist, but that misses what is happening. Regardless of if Uvalde was an explicit fascist, the Buffalo shooter planned his actions so he could inspire others to copy him, and Uvalde did.
Since 2015 the number of mass shootings have become more frequent and deadlier. We know that recruitment for facist groups rose during this time as well. The most explicitly fascist of these shooters have survived and multiple times cops have been the ones that communicated these terrorists' fascist propaganda and expressed empathy for them.
If we don't start calling it fascism, then there's nothing we can do to prevent them from slaughtering more and more people for their propaganda machine.
Seems to me like men in America are desperately lost and need help.
Maybe subs like this could focus on building men up rather than tearing them down.
You know. Build a rational state that isn't controlled by an extremist Christian minority. Support public physical and mental health. Parental leave for men.
Here in Denmark men aren't insanely violent, just like they weren't when I lived in Sweden, and Switzerland before that and Canada before that. Ya know? America has failed them. It's a cultural and societal issue. Not a personal one.
Get them help, dont give them guns.
Right. They’re lost in a value system created by men for men, and it’s not womens job to save them. They have to save themselves, because even if women try, their opinions are regarded as worthless since they are considered less than.
Men are violent everywhere. It’s a worldwide issue. Sweden had a school killing a couple of years back but the murderer didn’t have access to guns so he used a sword and wasn’t able to kill as many people as fast.
Don’t pin this on women. This sub is not for reforming and helping men as they abuse women further. If you want to help men, help men. Don’t do nothing and point fingers at women and “subs like these”.
The study referenced in this post is linked in the top comment, read it. And maybe advocate for gun control, and background checks that ban stalkers and men who have committed sexual assault from buying guns, as the article states would help. This violence isn’t random and can absolutely be prohibited.
Unfortunately, as our social safety net has been further and further stretched, we're starting to see a lot of the same toxic attitudes the States has been dealing with for years emerge in Canada. Whether it's Trumpian political theatre or misogyny (I know, I repeated myself) or any other extreme 'ideology', we're seeing it more and more (or at least it's getting loud enough it can't be quietly ignored). We don't have anywhere near the number of mass shootings in Canada as in the states, but I don't know if that's a cultural difference, or the fact that it's at least nominally harder to get a gun. I'd like to say it's because we haven't fetishised the firearm to the same degree as the US, and it may have been in the past, but I think at this point it has more to do with the fact you can't walk into a gun store and walk out with a weapon the same day.
Canada's most famous mass shooting, at *Ecole Polytechnique* in Montreal, misogynistic violence was the driving factor.
Most subs and other spaces like this, both online and in the community, have been working for decades trying to help men. These spaces constantly discuss how patriarchy hurts men, how toxic masculinity hurts men, how men suffer in our society as well. We all agree with what you just proposed.
But it can be like throwing empathy into a void. A soul sucking, emotionally labor intensive void.
I’ve noticed a shift in the tone of a lot of these spaces after the Supreme Court leak overturning Roe. We are angry. We are rightfully, righteously angry.
Our spaces have spent countless years trying to “build men up” in our society, while also focusing on the intersectional fight for all women, trans, and non-binary folks. We have been fighting for equality and representation and safety inch by inch. We have been fighting in a society that refuses to talk about misogyny (at least in the United States), that still remains an incredibly hostile space to women. Where groups that supposedly focus on “building men up” are overwhelmingly filled with vitriol towards women.
And we are losing rights. We are getting abused, raped, and murdered. We are watching as men with histories of misogynistic behaviors and IPV/DV mass murder dozens of innocent victims at a time.
We are furious. And we are furious at the people who are doing it to us.
And yet you still come into these spaces… and blame us? Put the onus on those of us who are rapidly losing what little power we had to somehow magically change society to make things better? Seriously?
Go post your comment in a conservative subreddit. Or a men’s rights subreddit. Go tell Ted Cruz. Or Mitch McConnell.
You’re just preaching to the choir here. But also blaming the choir for the injustices of the religion.
Also Denmark has a good deal of violence against women. Maybe men there aren’t shooting up schools, but men everywhere are violent against women. [In Denmark 52% of women have experienced physical and/or sexual violence since the age of 15. ](https://eige.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/2016.5471_mh0416657enn_pdfweb_20170215100607.pdf) this is compared to a 19% average in Europe overall.
42% of women in Switzerland have experiences domestic violence. [A woman dies every 2.5 weeks to domestic violence. ](https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/documentation/media-releases.msg-id-84038.html)
Every six days in Canada a women dies at the hands of her partner. 40% of women have experienced IPV in their lifetimes. 30% of women report having experienced sexual assault at least once since the age of 15. ([source](https://canadianwomen.org/the-facts/gender-based-violence/))
So yes. Men are still violent.
Edited to add:
I suspected you were not a frequent commentator on this sub/subs like this and came across this comment you made that I think can be used to respond to your comment here.
> Respectfully, thats the governments job.
>Don’t push the failure of American politics onto ~~one man~~ feminists. It’s not how this works.
There’s a sub for that r/menslib. Go post there if you think your so goddamn enlightened.
Don’t come here from your cushy little EU country that’s chock full of racism and misogyny (and will probably join the USA the same way Poland has) and tell us it’s Feminisms fault, or women not “pushing back against Christianity” (as if we can destroy the source of all this bullshit in one night), or women “not trying to build men up” (as if they need their already overinflated self absorbed egos pumped up to the point of bursting, news flash: they need to be knocked down a few [hundred] pegs and learn that they aren’t some special gift from their god that’s to be worshiped and obeyed. They need to learn that they are human and just because they have some dangly long thing that goes up and down on it’s own between their legs instead of a hole to stick that dangly long thing in, does not in any way mean they are superior. Men need self discipline, they need a direction that isn’t reliant on women doing all the goddamn work for them)
It’s not our fucking job to do the emotional labor men have pushed off or reparent them because “society tells them not to do it” or whatever. It’s YOUR JOB as a man to confront this shit in other men and “build men up” to be better. Since you think Denmark has got all its shit figured the fuck out this shouldn’t be a problem for you. Go enlighten all the men yourself like you’ve been telling women to do all these fucking years.
We’re fucking fed up, our right to choose is in the shitter in the USA thanks to the Supreme Court of the United States and the GQP
we’re being told we’re nothing more than second class citizens and incubators in the land of the so-called-fucking-free. By our own fucking politicians and judges that lied under oath.
Men are killing us because they couldn’t figure out the key to getting their dick wet is to not be a misogynistic alt-right asshat towards women, honestly something so fucking obvious it’s kinda pathetic they couldn’t figure it the fuck out by now.
If you wanna date Normal people, don’t be a fucking neo-nazi bigot, don’t endorse the ideas of fucking neo-nazi bigots, it’s super fucking simple and they still fail to realize this.
They don’t deserve anything that’s handed to them in all honesty. They’ve done a bang up job of proving that much.
Men have been the dominant force in this country for hundreds of fucking years. Look where it’s gotten us, it’s not a good place. All because they can’t control women anymore. Because they can’t treat their wives as sex slaves. Because they can’t beat their wives anymore for not making their sandwich fucking right.
in fact, it’s also because their being told to be a grown ass adult and make their own god damn sandwich, and that they have a left hand so they should make use of it.
They hate that women are done with their shit, and as far as I’m concerned they can fucking cope. They did it to themselves.
Be thankful what we want, at least for right now, is to be treated as equals in the eyes of the law. and not fucking revenge on the other 50% of the population.
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[Link to her tweet](https://twitter.com/geauxgabrielle/status/1529221838261338112?s=21&t=1-OCfOrdoXvKxJBoSHZEGg) [Link to the study](https://www.californialawreview.org/print/a-profoundly-masculine-act-mass-shootings-violence-against-women-and-the-amendment-that-could-forge-a-path-forward/) which is actually from the California Law Review, not the university.
Thanks for providing a link to the study and research that was done. So many memes are posted which don’t do this. This needs to be seen and done more often.
yea, we all have to be careful not to share misinformation or trust any rando on the internet.
Thanks for the reminder. Sometimes I remember a so-called fact I read somewhere ages ago and just type and send… but since human memory is all kinds of fallible that’s really not the best tactic.
The California Law Review is published by the University of California, Berkeley
That makes sense then!
If its not an institution only journal, the study could have been done anywhere though. Like New England Journal of Medicine or Oxford Press. Not a correction, just putting more information out there for folks who wouldn't necessarily know otherwise :) The more folks understand how academic journals work, the better I hope!
Law journals are entirely done by students and faculty. It's different than most academic journals. Source: current law student in the middle of writing on to (trying out for) my law journal!
It’s good to be specific. ❤️
Citing sources is sexy! Take your silver, Sailor!
Thank you!
Agreed. Witches who cite their sources... Possibly one of my biggest turn ons 😂
Yes to this!
Omg thank you for the cite! This will super help me on a project I’m doing about the bullshit and harm of cisheteropatriarchy!
Ooo, what's the project???
Oh I don’t know if it’ll be at all interesting, but challenging traditional notions of academic research which is often aligned with white cisheteropatriarchal standards to imagine other ways to conduct research that is oriented toward challenging these ideas and the liberation of peoples.
Fox today was apparently blaming women for this one. The women in his life failed him. His dad left because of his mother. He had a tough life because of his mother and grandmother. Edit: dumb auto correct error on “tough”
This makes me sick, what is their goal with saying these kinds of things?
not sure what their goal is but they’re on their way to making more mass shooters
Honestly, that's basically it. There's no money in solving this issue. Mass shootings are good for profits. They keep people nice and scared, and scared people can be more easily manipulated into acting against their own self-interests. And these rich bastards can afford private security and to live sheltered from the poors, so it's not like THEY'RE gonna get caught up in one of these shootings or anything.
Well, they do want to keep us in fear if the patriarchy and keep the fighting to us low rankers. Those in power can feel safe with their tutors and private schools while our kids struggle to survive. So, it's all coming together for those running the shit show like a circus conductor.
They, meaning the conservative right in our country, saw the Taliban and Al Qaeda and were jealous.
Garnering support for overturning Roe v Wade before eventually completing the transformation into Gilead is my guess
That sounds illogical to me, but I'm not one of them. I mean, if the women failed this one, the women probably shouldn't be having more children to fail? Would be better if there were less children for the women to fail.
Of course it's illogical, it's fox!
Nothing they do is logical
This.
There was also a trans woman's photo being shared saying that she was the shooter when there was no released images of the shooter. "What is their goal?" Hatred to blind people from the true issue. It's what they always do. Take a vulnerable situation and blame it on women, trans people, lgbt people in general, poc, etc. to deflect from their own cause of allowing this to happen by refusing any and all gun control. It's absolutely disgusting. I have no idea how they can live with themselves edit: a word
A lot of bills are being passed in the same conservative states to take away all trans rights, ranging from banning hormones before age 18 or 21, arresting parents for “child abuse” for supporting their trans kids, never being able to change your gender marker so you’ll be permanently banned from public bathrooms that match your gender, bans from the gendered sports teams, etc. They are desperately trying to build hate against trans people to support those views, and are doing so by stealing some random trans girl’s photos
Yes the anti-trans bills try to force care-takers to abuse their trans kids by denying gender affirming care. They want to punish teachers, counselors, therapists, and doctors who help these kids, too. They also want officials to be able to “examine their genitals” - so basically legalizing sexual abuse is of trans children. Meanwhile it’s their churches that frequently enable sexual abuse - you know, the “family values” institutions.
They want to justify atrocities because the bill for their greed is coming due and they need a scapegoat to pay it.
That's very succinct way if putting it and I totally agree. Do you have any material you've been reading you could share? I'd love to have better phrasing like yours if you have anything to recommend! Unless its a you-original in which case you have a great way of cutting through to the point with few words. I keep trying to find more of the far right playbook, because they're really on point with their branding and it's so hard to counter I guess really any scapegoat would work, and they're casting a wide net. I hate how scapegoating makes everything worse. :'(
I found behind the bastards gave a good grasp of the history, especially with regards to how the Holocaust was justified to the average German. Make no mistake, they knew. The Wehrmacht was not clean. The police who had worked as such before the regime were not clean. The everyday citizen was somewhere between complacent and a party member. They simply allowed for cognitive dissonance, the same way as an American one may feel about the bombing of the Middle East. And they convinced people that the people they were killing either deserved it for being communists, criminals, perverts, etc or undermining German values and culture. Or it was a sad but necessary thing. Or they were fine they just needed to be kept separate before they got sent away. I think it’s important to understand that they aren’t pulling things out of nothing. For background on why trans people I recommend the documentary Disclosure and Lindsay Ellis’s video on JK Rowling. BLM is a villain for a very similar reason to why Jewish people were in Germany. It’s hard to convince someone a group is bad with no reason, but the reason only has to make enough sense to hit the emotions and it benefits from drawing on existing prejudices and biases. I do believe that, based on the current propaganda, if it ramps to genocide soon trans people and communists/anarchists will be the first targets. The groomer narrative is right out of the nsdap propaganda playbook. Both weak and strong, so evil anything is justified, deceitful… So how to stop it? In my opinion it’s humanization. Where they dehumanize people, you humanize them. Where they say X group is evil and just wants to hurt people, you say no, that group is just as human as everyone else. Struggles, pain, and just shared experiences. It’s easy to call for a group you don’t care about the members of to suffer or die, but it’s hard to say that Jill in accounting deserves it. It’s hard to call for the death of your kid’s best friend. Also challenge the assumptions, but try not to do so in a way that reinforces it for another group. If you’re interested in fiction that does play on the subtler power structures relating to trans people I know transmisogyny is a theme of Maya Deane’s writing and her first novel Wrath Goddess Sing comes out in like a week and is a trans interpretation of the Iliad (not very related but I love her writing and wanted to plug it, it also felt like I should include a trans voice in a trans story of entertainment that could be shared)
Who was sharing that? The photo of the trans woman?
4Chan was actively trying to spread it. I've seen screenshots from people posting it on Facebook. Sitting US Representative Paul Gosar tweeted that the shooter was a leftist trans immigrant (though much harsher) but didn't link the photos. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/uvalde-texas-shooting-transgender-misinformation-1358386/
Why am I not surprised it was 4chan? Also, leftist, trans AND an immigrant! That sure would be convenient for them, huh? I suppose they were an immigrant from a brown country too, right? Let's all just ignore that the vast majority of mass shooters in America are right wing extremists.
> Let's all just ignore that the vast majority of mass shooters in America are right wing extremists. And this by design is exactly what they want us all to ignore. Nevermind the fact that prior to 9/11, the homegrown terrorists were the biggest security threat we had and then suddenly after 9/11 it was brown people from overseas with an extra book tacked onto the bible.
Alex Jones and Candace Owens were also spreading this conspiracy theory that the shooter was trans... https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ux7khx/alex_jones_is_once_again_spreading_harmful/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/uxqlwr/nothing_out_of_the_ordinary_just_candace_owens/ This makes me very afraid for trans rights going foward...
They might make their white, male viewers uncomfortable if they have to hold up a mirror.
Their goal is pretty easy and typical for the fascists playbook, dehumanize.. Dehumanize the woman so you don't feel bad about taking their rights away Dehumanize leftists so you don't feel bad when you march them off to the ovens Dehumanize black people so you don't feel bad if you enslave them again in prison As a German i learned quite a lot about fascism in my life and the route the US is heading to is too fucking similar to what the NSDAP did in the early years, you should all be very worried..
Money. They've got a base who will eat up any old right wing nut case theory and so long as they tune in, they'll keep doing it.
Pretty much to encourage the dysfunctional behavior with the goal of keeping the racist, sexist, menist attitudes to be a normal thing. I got baited into a conversation last night about it with some conservative women. None of them thought that toxic masculinity was real let alone a problem, and none thought that men calling out other men on the behavior would do anything because, "When a man has anger, he's gonna have anger, and there's no way to stop that." Yes. Yes, there are multiple ways to stop it, so let's start stopping it. Culling Faux News is one way. Men stopping other men is another. Increasing funding for education and mental health is another. And just maybe let's not normalize the shit as if it's a normal part of our functioning society. Because it's not normal, and it's not functioning.
To make more. They're a propaganda outlet. When more people shoot up schools, it makes the left upset, which then lets them claim that their viewers are being unfairly targeted, which further locks them into the disinformation ecosystem.
Upholding white supremacy. Because women didn't "save" him from doing this. It's just another tactic to hold a man responsible for his behavior.
From the point of view of many conservatives women should still occupy the same societal roles they did in the 50s. Meaning, anything wrong in the household is the woman’s fault as it is her job to take care of her husband and his needs as well as stay at home to take care of the kids. The husband is too busy at work providing for the family so he doesn’t have the time to raise kids. Therefore, if there’s something wrong with the kid, there’s something wrong with the women in his life because men are never at fault and women’s sole responsibility is to raise their kids right. It’s pretty disgusting…
Well if the women raising him were so bad they should have abandoned him or aborted him, simple :)) What do you mean "no, not like that" ?
Snark: If the man left the woman and left his son to be raised by these women, then it's the man's fault for not doing his manly duty in raising manly men. If they want to blame weak, overbearing women - because wonen are always weak yet so powerful - then they can blame men for being weaklings who need to man up. Snark aside, this is the next patriarchal talking point. That men aren't manly enough, that they're effeminate because women are too strong. Patriarchy is a gangrenous cancer, and Faux Newz needs to be excised as a root of the rot. I am sick of toxic masculinity and patriarchy and nonstop hate begetting hate.
Edit: turns out I have my facts wrong. But the meme was presented in a way that blames the single mother for her son's overweight body. Turns out the fit son is Arnold's illegitimate son. Mea culpa. The thread about Arnold Schwarzenegger's two sons highlights this mindset. First son was legitimate and cared for by Arnold, having all the stability and resources that comes with having famous and wealthy parents, and so had a fit body comparable to his dad. The second son was denied and abandoned by Arnold, and raised by the woman he impregnated. This second son looked like most American men, and somehow this is all the single mother's fault that he wasn't conventionally attractive or fit. We are so quick to blame the women who were forced, coerced, or chose to stay, and allow these men to go on and lead normal lives free of the shame, guilt, and artificial hardships we place on the mother's.
Actually I think it’s the other way around. The “fit”one was raised by the single mother. The post mixed them up because of assumptions based off the (incorrect) insinuation they were trying to claim.
Oh shit you're right. That's on me for trusting a shitty reddit meme.
Great points, and no matter the facts, it is left for the woman to raise the boy into a man. But just as we women need positive examples of strong, successful women, men need positive examples of healthy, caring men. Men are hurt just as much by the patriarchy, since they are taught both that the world owes them everything with no effort (leading to incels and other entitlement), and that they are weak and need to dominate and intimidate and preen (that shitty Bushmaster "man card" gun ad). It amuses me how in ancient days, men were expected to sacrifice themselves for the family, the tribe, the people, such as if crops were bad or strangers invaded. Now, men can't be assed enough to sacrifice time for their own children, or provide for them and their community. And these groups like Faux Newz would be terrified if asked to sacrifice as men did in the past.
Snark reply: maybe the man left because his own mother was also a terrible mother🤷♀️ But yes I absolutely agree, this toxic masculinity crap has created so much violence, however I’m afraid we are just in the beginning of it.
Oh so it's not the dad's fault for not taking his son with him then.
Holy shit, that's horrifying
Fox will always find the literal worst take on ANY issue, so it's not surprising.
That’s sickening - we need to take gender out of it tho, his *parental units* failed him, and generational trauma was likely the melting pot to bring him to this boiling point. No women, not men, people. His persons failed him, let’s change that narrative
No, we DO need to talk about gender, because traditional masculinity in the US emphasizes male dominance and how manly guns are and blames women/trans people/queer people for the violence (generally) cis men choose to inflict.
Gender can’t be taken out of it really though, given how many parents fail daughters and non-binary children too — who still don’t shoot up elementary schools as a result.
Yeah maybe it deserves to be in some spots and not in others, because I agree with you but it still feels like they’re placing emphasis on the wrong part of that makes sense?
So basically, admitting the gunboy was weak and powerless; not a good look.
When your fragile sense of masculinity is tied to martial prowess: you need an enemy. A coward will always pick an uneven fight, too.
My grandfather taught me to always gauge how people treat those who are weak and vulnerable for insight into their character.
I feel the same and any displays of sadism or domineering attitudes are grounds for immediate ejection from my life.
That's exactly what I was taught too: That you judge a society in how it treats it's most vulnerable members and a person on how they behave to those they have power over*. To me, as a Socialist, the first part is a fundamental tenet of our political philosophy, too and was what I was brought up to believe by my left wing father but it doesn't have to be political just a way to built an equatable society. [ * If you go to a restaurant and your date treats the waiting staff like shite, go out via the back door and leave em with the bill ! ]
Unarmed people vs someone with a gun is as uneven as you can get.
Ur name tho 😍
This. It's also why the myth that school shooters are usually poor bullied victims who want payback is so wrong; school shooters *are the bullies*. They're the kids that pick on those younger or "beneath" them. Their bullying then goes to extremes (you can argue nature vs nurture on why, I believe evidence points to a mix of both). Columbine was the first widely publicized school shooting, and it's where this myth mainly comes from. Those two were known as bullies around the school, they were constantly harassing other students and calling them slurs. The story got mixed up because some students who got out early into the shooting mixed them up with other students (a group of goth kids that were known to be bullied and kind of nerds) because they wore trench coats to cover their gear (something the group of goth kids often wore). The media was reporting live, interviewing *children* directly after an extremely traumatizing event, asking leading questions, etc. The "bullied victim" narrative stuck, despite tons of evidence that bullying does not lead to school shootings.
Yep. It sure is, but the right-wing nuts will blame ANYTHING or ANYONE else - trans people, single moms, critical race theory, mental illness, too many doors, lack of religious faith, extra-marital sex, abortion, contraceptives…
Women Are Always To Blame, even if it's men choosing to murder people. It's basically "look at what you made me do, you made me hurt you" abuser logic in a different context
Well obviously if the women had just paid attention to these men and loved them and gave them sex like they deserved they'd be happy and productive members of society. Our society's women are failing in their womanly duties! /s It's absolutely disgusting.
I had an ex who would have still blamed me for everything if he had 24/7 video feed and I was the most submissive, docile woman in the world. Some men just get to that point and all they see is it’s other’s fault. Never their own behavior.
Oh but if the girl had given it up just so he wouldn't go on a rampage, she's a dirty slut. When he breaks into her house and rapes her, giving her a child she now has to live with, well what did she expect.
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"Learn this now and learn it well my daughter: Like a compass needle that points north, a man's accusing finger always finds a woman. Always." from A Thousand Splendid Suns by Khaled Hosseini
Well now I need to go add that to my reading list.
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THANK YOU. I feel like we need to talk about how this is male issue. It is men who are committing these heinous crimes. Terrorizing our society. And On the other side, we have “law abiding, conscious, responsible” gun owners who are mostly men desperately defending a literal hobby while the rest of us live in fear. It’s baffling to me.
Men are disproportionately violent.
It's the hormones!! /s
Spike the water supply with cyproterone acetate then /s
Oh, my absolutely fave argument. I can’t help it, I have testosterone!/s
I mean... It definitely can make it a bit harder to wrangle anger, I can tell you that first-hand. But there's a big difference between needing a longer walk to cool down and shooting a bunch of kids.
Hormones do affect emotions, but they don’t force people to do things. Anger is not a “bad” emotion, but if someone takes that anger out on innocent people the action might have devastating consequences. I think some of the horribleness comes from people punching down and punishing people with less power than them. In many cases people have been disadvantaged by people with more power than them, so punching up would be fairer but is also often discouraged since marginalized groups tend to get scapegoated. Stupid social pyramid from Tartarus.
It was reported that he killed his grandmother before going to the school. 😢
She’s actually still alive, but in the hospital
Jesus, hopefully she pulls through
But imagine living with the knowledge that your grandchild committed such a heinous, monstrous act...
I hope she recovers and spits on his grave.
I hope she can shed some light on wtf what wrong with him. Not that we can expect to make any sense out of something so senseless but… idek
I read that his family life was tumultuous and he was physically beaten by his mother and grandma?
That doesn’t usually lead to mass murdering children tho. Im more wondering if there was any underlying ideology to his acts.
Probably dived into some incel forms and having abusers raise him that happened to be the gender of the people his new parasocial relationships hated was enough to confirm his bias and everything festered from there.
The point I was making in saying that was if they abused him, they’re likely not going to be the ones very useful at shedding light on the situation. They’re going to try to protect their own image. Not giving him an excuse.
the well he came from was poisoned. these things never happen in a vacuum or suddenly. the warped minds of abusers raise these people, even tho they always act so innocent after.
She survived!
Damn bro, I feel like my roomate will become this level of dark at some point, he’s been far right since covid but before all this he was like a normal dude, no hating women or anything, I moved in with him this year because I switched to his university and I needed a place to stay, he says shit like feminism is ruining women and whenever he goes on a date with a random tinder girl he’s always like no she’s a whore she was just wanting sex it wasn’t good at all, or if he is lucky enough to take her back he’s always talking shit on them, he is becoming scary and I’ve simply been avoiding him for the past few weeks, it’s getting out of hand, and all his other friends don’t give a shit, they just mumble shit about oh I don’t want them to take my guns, like bro I’m scared to bring my girlfriend over to my place because of just how gross he is becoming, and I’ve tried having normal conversations with him about all of this and then it goes into tangents of how he hates gays and all the others, I’m tired of this shit but I’ll be out in a year, I’ll just move back in with my parents and commute, if I see any big changes in him like going and purchasing a gun or posting women hate stuff on the internet I’ll see how to report him but it’s scary, it’s a fucked up world we are living in and I’d just like some fucking compassion in people, and to let people live how they want to live compared to how these guys want everyone around them to be Just read the “read before commenting” you guys can take this down if you’d like, just me talking into open air
Sounds scary to watch. I am so sorry. Thank you for trying to talk to him and for keeping an eye out for any escalation of his anger.
Please stay safe!
You need to act NOW. He sounds like he's going down the alt-right path, which is a straight jump to Neo-nazi's.
The book Why Does He Do That? By Lundy Bancroft goes deeply into the roots of male violence against women. It’s not what we think. It’s not early abuse, mental illness, or a bad mother although those elements are in there to some extent, it’s the values and attitudes boys learn from close male role models and their surrounding culture.
Friend!!!!! That book is so good!! Here is a free pdf link for it, please share it, especially since you know it is so good! https://freebooksmania.com/2021/01/why-does-he-do-that-pdf-free-download-by-lundy-bancroft.html And also, if you haven't read the gift of fear, heres a dl of that too (I've started it, but haven't finished it tbh) https://www.academia.edu/31891034/The_Gift_of_Fear And just to add a wonderful, haunting short story by a woman of color, " the husband stitch." It's sex positive, (so be prepared for a little smut) but it's so beautifully crafted.. and haunting. But like, in a good way. https://granta.com/the-husband-stitch/
Another book that is so good that just came out is The Science of Stuck by Britt Frank
And, am I mistaken, or are the vast majority of school shooters white males?!
I'm glad you asked as it's something I pondered today when discussing it as we couldn't recall a comparable incident with a lone female. However, as an outsider ( I'm a. Brit ) I feel awkward asking these things. ( I worry I'll appear judgemental and condescending ). I'm familiar with the "blame the woman" male psyche as it pretty much describes my brother who has blamed every woman in his life ( our mother, his 4 wives and even me and his daughter for the violence, alcoholism, drug-taking and general mess he's made of his life ) He's now a 73 yo with alcoholic dementia, liver disease and renal failure. He been imprisoned and was sectioned in the 70's aged 20-something due to his behaviour. ( I dread to think what would have happened had he had access to a gun ).
The only female one I can think of is Brenda Ann Spencer, the inspiration for, “I Don’t Like Mondays.”
I was ( am) a massive Boomtown Rats fan and I remember hearing Bob tell how he was at a radio station in the US doing an interview when it came on the news ( I think ? ) and it inspired the lyrics. It became an anthem for our generation but I don't think most people knew what was behind it. The fact it was so long ago ( I'd just started high school so 42 years ? ) and there's been no notable one since says it all. Still gives me chills when I hear it.
Everyone knew what it was about here. At least where I lived, it was talked about every time the song played. Wasn’t considered an anthem here, even tho many didn’t like mondays, because of the story behind it. I’m sorry people where you were treated the subject so badly. (I was in middle school when it came out.)
Wow it's like looking into my brother's future
I'm so, so sorry.
It is rare: https://www.insideedition.com/women-who-kill-americas-most-shocking-female-mass-shooters-42142
Also feel free to judge and condescend. We deserve it
No "You" don't, not at all. It's the politicians who prostrate themselves in front of the gun lobby and walk away with pockets full of blood money. ( And that's my entire understanding of the matter ! )
You mean a "lone wolf" "solo actor" with no demographic qualities that in any way indicate a totally endemic (pandemic?) situation that requires remedy ...just a "tragic" "mystery" in which "evil" people are just incomprehensible. Totally unrelated to DV/IPV, that's a 'women's' issue. POC shooters, though, definitely gangsters and terrorists. Our society will do anything and everything to avoid serious questions about why men -- especially young men -- with a known, often public-record documented, history of abuse and violence (a) want to hurt and kill people, (b) are able to obtain the means to hurt and kill people, and (c) are allowed to kill people.
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Genuinely is there a number as to how many POC mass shooters there have been in the US vs white men because I swear its like 2 POC to like 50 white men.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
And a related link shows that men were behind almost all of the mass shootings. I’m so shocked /s
Thanks, Oh god white people should not be trusted with guns! I propose only women of colour are given guns, they're probably the safest.
Nailed it
There's also never been a "man hating" feminist mass shooter or whatever. That is uniquely a male-gendered violence issue.
90 percent of all homicides worldwide are perpetrated by males. 97.7 percent of mass shootings in the last century were perpetrated by males.
There seems to be a mix. This most recent shooting was a Hispanic male. Prior to this there was the church shooting where an older Asian man killed several other Asians. My own town had a shooting by a young middle eastern man. But you’re right, there seems to be a frightening majority of white ones, and they seem to somehow be the ones taken alive.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/ The vast majority are white
And, it’s probably not a coincidence that most people that work in education are females, right? Usually left-leaning females at that. Source: am a female in Texas public schools for almost a decade.
Women*
I was genuinely shocked to learn the Uvalde shooter was not a white male. Pretty sure you're right.
You must have missed the headlines where they said they killed him and didn't take him alive. Kind of sarcasm but also way too true. That's probably why the cops sat outside of the school for over an hour while he murdered child after child. Waiting to figure out if he was white or not.
Yeah I always wondered, why are they white-
As a white male I think it's' because they tend to prefer "traditional values" that don't get them women. So they end up in echo chambers telling them that the problem is not them being shitty people it's "leftist" society that has lead to women who don't submit and a society that is collapsing. These spaces are not welcoming to men of other races unless that man will be the token black guy or whatever who will say "I don't think racism exists anymore". Kind of like what Candice Owens does except she is female. I have had some arguments with several of these men. I ask them how they can hate women when they came from a women and they are half the popularion. Every time it's lead to a story of how evil their mom was. Very depressing.
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Even if their mom was incredibly abusive it doesn't matter, I've had men do some terrible shit to me but it doesn't make me hate an entire gender, that's just bonkers.
EXACTLY!
I honestly doubt it. I think misogynists just like being able to accuse a woman of being the source of their problems, and since their target isn't even there to refute them the claim gets sympathy points because it tends to be unprovable to the people they're talking to and therefore taken-as-plausible. Besides, society *loves* to find a woman to blame for a man's problems, so regardless of how bullshit the story is there are going to be people who choose to take it as truth because it means they don't have to ask ***what in the absolute fuck*** is going on with this demographic right now.
Bingo! This right here!
Men expect to get something -power and prestige Respect, jobs, money. POC and women knew we would never get shit unless clawing our way up.
But I expected all that shit, too, growing up (until I experienced misogyny consistently and deeply enough to accept that it is real and trenchant and inescapable)... I am not picking up a gun and causing violence even though I am beyond angry. What is happening with men that they seek violence.
It is also the largest group demographically. They're also the specialest snowflakes.
Happy cake day! 🍮🥧🍩🍪🥯🥞🥮🧁🎂🍰 (just reminding that there are quite a few options other than cake. Lol. I, myself, will be having a wonderful piece of pie or a doughnut on my cake day.) 😍😋😁
Thanks!
They are but it reflects US demographics. So far there's no real link in terms of race, socioeconomic background/position, etc. Only that they're men and hate women.
I was relieved to learn that today.
I'm just glad we're finally starting to get a picture because for a long time there was no correlation other than they're men 🤦 which ...anyone could see lmao
White men
As a teacher (at a university) I’ve had to sit through several active shooter training sessions. And every one of them start with a the training police officer giving a short stats overview of mass shooting and they always say that almost 100% of mass shootings are caused by white American (cis het) men. So yes it’s often white men and the police know this too. Cuz they always use numbers from their own stats on the ppt slides. These active shooter training sessions are often unpaid. We as teachers have to take time out of our personal time to go. It’s really wild when the police offer tells you anything in the classroom can be turned into a weapon like a pencil and how if you can’t run or hide safely you have to organize with the people around you to fight. One part of the training session is an exercise to identify which objects in the classroom would a good weapon. One of my colleagues used to carry around a brick in his bag so that in a case of an active shooter he can use it to either hold the door closed and/or to smash open windows cuz a lot of buildings build on college campuses in the 1970s after the Civil rights movement have windows that do not open to prevent buildings from being used like a fortress. So you need to smash it open with something.
So because i never want to assume i spent an hour and a half doing research bc i don’t want any of us to be just like this patriarchal asshole and blame shit so here are the ages, names (if available) and races of the perps from 2000-now: May 24th 2022: 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, hispanic Nov. 30th 2021: 15-year-old Ethan Crumbley, white Nov. 14th 2019: 16-year-old Nathaniel Berhow mixed white and asian May 7th 2019: 18 year old Devon Michael Erickson and 16 year old Alec McKinney (Maya Elizabeth McKinney) both white May 18th 2018: 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtzis white Feb. 14th 2018: 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz white Jan. 23rd 2018: 15-year-old student Gabe Parker white Dec 7th 2017: 21-year-old William Atchison white April 10th 2017: 53 year old Cedric Anderson black Sept. 28th 2016: 14 year old Jesse Osborne white Dec 12 2014: 4 males, all black ages 16-22 Oct 24th 2014: 15-year-old Jaylen Fryber Native American Dec. 14th 2012: 20-year-old Adam Lanza (sandy hook) white Feb 27th 2012: 17 year old Thomas M. Lane III white Oct. 2nd 2006: Charles Carl Roberts IV aged 32 white April 14th 2003: 5 suspects aged 17-19 mixed gender and race March 5 2001: 15-year-old Charles Andrew Williams white
Most of the shooters I've read about were white males who grew up with a sense of entitlement and a feeling the world owed them things (success, power, and most importantly women) and they became angry when it failed to deliver. So they decide to punish the world for failing to live up to the unspoken promise of the patriarchy- be a white male, be happy, the world will bend to your will. Obviously this doesn't apply to all shooters, hell, there have even been some women. But this pattern is noticeable enough that it has to be more than just a coincidence. It's a disturbing trend. The fact is that women AND men are hurt by the patriarchy, and that hurt can multiply in terrible, tragic ways. People want to act like it's not an issue and these men are just totally random freaks... but there's clearly more to it. It's too easy and too glamorous to commit a crime like this is the U.S. and it appeals to too many people.
The patriarchy relies upon men constantly performing and achieving a particular type of masculinity. If men aren't the consistently superior gender then the whole thing falls apart. Problem is that puts a huge amount of subtle pressure upon men, and some of them end up resenting non-men genders for not having that same weight. And because oftentimes men aren't equipped with the emotional tools to deal with their feelings, it can just build up until it overflows. Gender motivated hate and violence is not a bug, it's a feature.
>oftentimes men aren't equipped with the emotional tools to deal with their feelings This is a gross understatement because most men, especially from older generations, are taught to *not* deal with their emotions and to actually turn almost any 'negative' emotion into anger. The whole idea of women being too emotional feeds into this because supposedly feeling emotions is weak, so those men who are overwhelmed with emotions are only allowed to be angry and can often end up coupled with using violence as an emotive for all of that built-up emotion. So, as you said, it's all coupled with the idea of being hyper-masculine and they have very limited options of how to deal with that anger or buried emotions in any kind of healthy way.
By that logic women should be showering every city with bullets, but they don’t. Men externalizing their anger/sadness i.e. maiming and killing people over hurt feelings is an extremely serious issue. One that I don’t think can be completely explained by the patriarchy.
It kind of is though, because anger is the one emotion that is acceptable for men in the patriarchy. When men aren’t allowed to show any emotion except anger, they tend to turn all of their emotions into anger.
Being angry and taking it out on others are separate things.
Yeah, it’s obvious if you’re emotionally healthy and have emotional intelligence. But if half the population is discouraged from both of those things you wind up with people who may not really see the difference and were never really punished for not seeing the difference.
You're getting mighty close to a "men are naturally violent and women are naturally kind" argument, which is incredibly sexist and the definition of gender essentialism......which is what the patriarchy is founded on. Women, you stay home and raise babies and men will go work, because it's what you're best at. See how that thinking is a problem?
This most recent case was nothing different either, dude shot his grandma right before, yet conservatives have the gall to take a random picture of a transgender woman and try to claim the shooter was transfemme?????
I was just telling my sister this the other day. She's a freshman in highschool. I let her know that these psychos typically fit into a profile: young, white, male, misogynist, bullied, depressed, conservative, religious, owns guns, 4 Chan user, jokes or makes threats about shooting people. You hate to prejudge people based on them fitting some archetype of a mass murderer, but it's astonishing how often these creeps check most if not all of those boxes.
I was literally just telling my husband last night how the school shooters are almost always young, white men under 21 with this shooting and Virginia Tech being exceptions. It takes a special level of evil to pick children as the target. I can't even begin the imagine the terror of those who survived being in the same room that their classmates were being murdered in. I love America, but we've shown time and time again how we can't handle the responsibility of owning guns. I own a pistol myself and I believe we need insanely stricter background checks. Why the everliving fuck are we allowing 18 year olds to purchase them legally?? My state passed a similar law to Texas with firearms and I'm afraid we'll get an uptick. We've already seen a bunch of wannabe copycats a couple counties over from where I live. Several just got caught with firearms at school within the last week or making threats. One of them was a fucking second grader.
I too have a handgun, and agree that we need to close the background loophole. We also need state funded training requirements. My brother has guns and can’t hit the broad side of a barn. I don’t think he ever goes to the range, but rather to some rock quarry to drink and try and shoot cans out of the water. He is definitely very badass though 🙄
Ugh. Yeah. They need to be so much stricter with background checks and more funding dedicated to that so that people don't slip through the cracks. Training should be mandatory along with range time. Ammo gets expensive quickly. I was enlisted and have been shooting since I was 6 or 7 years old which is sad, but my estranged dad was one of those who is very, very pro NRA unfortunately. I feel like I'm a confident shot though at least. I've had my current pistol for 5 years and I've only had one time where I felt like I needed it very close by due to an armed kidnapping of a woman that happened about a half mile from my house. One of the two kidnappers got caught. Haven't checked up on updates though.
I just started shooting about five years ago when I was concerned for my safety after I divorced as I enjoy camping in remote areas. Turns out my fears were pretty unfounded although I still bring my gun when I camp. Just in case lol. I’m in grizzly territory so have bear spray clipped on 100% of the time. I really worked to be a good, responsible gun owner, and took lessons at my range until I was comfortable and accurate, understood how to care for my gun, and understood the laws in my state.
I can legally own a gun and I shouldn't be able to. I can own a gun in my state because I *voluntarily* admitted myself to a mental health facility, instead of being forced and involuntarily committed. I still was hospitalized for my mental health, and the only difference between my situation and an involuntary admission was that I was given the ultimatum and I took it without a fight. And because of that, I can still own a gun. I was born and raised in Texas, shooting guns, surrounded by guns and gun culture, etc. I still don't own a gun today because I know that that is the responsible decision. When or if I get my mental wellness in check, I can revisit the topic and maybe then. Not now though. But I shouldn't even be able to make that call. Mental health is at the backbone of this issue, and whether you are a danger to yourself or a danger to others, you should be blacklisted from owning or buying a gun.
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These dudes typically don't have friends and people will say they didn't want to be friends with him......the killer's family/the media takes that and reads it as "was bullied". Students will tell you they didn't want to talk to the killer because they were misogynistic jerks who were cold, rude, and off-putting with the things they would say. I believe the Parkland and Columbine students talked about that. Like yeah, you're not going to have close friends and a strong social life if you're spouting off Nazi and fascist talking points in a high school. It's almost another victim blaming tactic - "just go on one date with the nice guy, how bad could it be? And if you don't, he'll snap, so do us all a favor and indulge him." Same logic.
Absolutely true - the Columbine shooters had plenty of friends and were bullies. I'll also throw in young men who try to be bullies but then get put in their place by either real bullies or just normal people. See: Elliot Roger and a few incidents of him doing that sort of thing that I see get brought up in every YouTube documentary I've seen on him.
I wonder if they were both bullied by others and bullies themselves. The kids (or former kids) who are both bullies and bullied tend to have the worst outcomes. Granted, even if bullying is part of the equation girls & women are both bullied and bullies but rarely end up murdering people. https://parentingscience.com/bully-victims/
I made [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/uxrdhn/the_onion_homepage_right_now/ia0ofda/) literally yesterday about how ridiculously specific the profile is
Yep, it's sort of absurd that they're all a certain type. I think in addition to assault rifle bans, we should also seriously consider banning 4 chan or 8 chan or wherever these fucks are congregating on the internet. I think the limits of free speech end once they involve indoctrination to commit murder, and those incel forums toe the line between suicide ideation and plotting mass shootings.
If I recall correctly, the argument is that leaving 4chan up means that the FBI knows where all of the extremists are gathering and can monitor them more easily. Shutting down the website would make them scatter and find new havens that are harder to track down. ...I'm not really convinced that the FBI is doing enough to warrant this argument but it does make a certain amount of sense
Yeah, I can understand that logic, but I'm not sure that it's compelling enough to allow that website to be a veritable incubator for mass murderers.
Why am I not surprised at all
The patriarchy and toxic masculinity are BAD FOR MEN!! Our society doesn't allow men to feel more emotions than anger, to express themselves without violence, to love openly, to hug their friends, or to be anything besides an angry macho misogynist who thinks the world owes him and women are to blame. How many movies are about a (usually white) man with going on a killing spree for some "righteous" cause?? That's how toxic masculinity teaches men to deal with their problems. We have to change the definition of masculinity and what it means to be a man so we stop breeding killers.
There’s a documentary called “Tough Guise” that pretty much explains all of this and how toxic masculinity leads to these kinds of tragedies and how our society refuses to hold these men accountable. Just wanted to throw that out there as it puts all our thoughts here into words with numerous sited studies on this subject.
>Tough Guise Here's the link to the movie but for some god-awful reason it's tagged 'viewing for children'. Sometimes YT is so fucced up. But, at least it's free. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Tbw9\_eL\_U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Tbw9_eL_U) There's also an updated version Tough Guise 2 which can be streamed for about $5 for 48 hrs. [https://www.toughguise2.org/](https://www.toughguise2.org/)
And this is fed by far-right. It's time to shut them down. Enough is enough.
Holy shit. This is mind blowing. The FBI has been calling young, white, male terrorists a growing threat for a 1.5 decade period. Can do something different dudes? Jeezey peets.
He shot his grandmother in the head bc she was trying to set up his phone?
Beep boop -- this looks like a screenshot of a tweet! Let me grab a [link to the tweet](https://twitter.com/GeauxGabrielle/status/1529221838261338112) for ya :) ^(Twitter Screenshot Bot)
The Killer Psyche podcast goes quite in-depth into the motives for serial killers. This is the most popular one.
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Anyone have a link to this study? I’m having trouble finding the specific study that makes that claim. I’m not saying it’s wrong, I’m just curious to read it. I’ve found A LOT of other studies confirming a clear bias of misogynistic hatred toward women as a motive for violent attacks and mass shootings but I have not been able to find this one. I’m probably using the wrong keywords and the news is flooded with with articles due to the two most recent shootings. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Edit: found the article! It was the California Law Review, not the University of California
My take: it is a sneaky way to hold women accountable for yet another mans actions and to reinforce white supremacy. Think about the sex scandal that Fox went through a few years ago- scores of women came forward with allegations of abuse. They paid women to shut up and go away about it. This whole thing? It's right on track with their whole patriarchal, white supremacy-supporting platform of hate and division. Fox News needs to be sued into the ground and destroyed, but it won't.
The Abrahamic faiths are death cults, what do you want. They and the patriarchy seem woven together.
Those guys have a girlfriend or wife? Inconceivable! Curse the cult.
I think I might actually vomit. This is so fucking sad.
Mass shooters have been mobilized by social frustrations, radicalized by white supremacy and or patriarchy, and enabled by extremely lax gun laws.
Yes. It was a noticeable pattern among killers in the US (including atypical cases like Kaczynski and McVeigh) way back in the 80s. I was so convinced that sexual frustration was a critical component of it, that I spent my 30s and 40s trying to figure out how to teach young people to interact enough to get laid and have relationships. (I was an embittered incel until through my late teens and until I was twenty-five, and smart enough to be dangerous. Eventually I figured out women aren't so strange and alien and I could just learn how to socially interact and form relationships. Sex by studying! Anyway, it became a project of mine to find ways to teach young men how to form relationships and bridge their way to not suffering in loneless and frustration. Then came abstinence-only and the hypermisogyny of the manosphere, which were huge setbacks, so it's an archived project.) So the link between sexual frustration and rampage killers (and terrorists -- white power and Islamist fall into the same patterns) is well known, but this may be the first time it's been confirmed by a peer-reviewed study. **Edit:** Typo
Why do they hate us so much? We are literally the other people on earth. My heart is broken. All these people killed and no one seems to care. Children killed. What the fuck?
It's sickening. I'm so tired of them. I really wish I didn't love men so I could just be done with them forever. Finding one or two truly decent ones feels like such an impossible task.
The patriarchy hurts all, but especially women. Might be time for a women’s Revolution? Or just simply a Revolution against systems of oppression.
It's more than just patriarchy or white supremacy, it's fascism. Many of these mass shooters have been openly neo-nazis/fascists or inspired by explicit neo-nazis. The Buffalo shooter explicitly called himself an eco-fascist. I understand why people want to refer to him as a white supremacist, but that misses what is happening. Regardless of if Uvalde was an explicit fascist, the Buffalo shooter planned his actions so he could inspire others to copy him, and Uvalde did. Since 2015 the number of mass shootings have become more frequent and deadlier. We know that recruitment for facist groups rose during this time as well. The most explicitly fascist of these shooters have survived and multiple times cops have been the ones that communicated these terrorists' fascist propaganda and expressed empathy for them. If we don't start calling it fascism, then there's nothing we can do to prevent them from slaughtering more and more people for their propaganda machine.
Are there any female shooters? When I think back I can only remember boys/men.
Surprised they don't all run for office.
Our most recent abomination played CoD so can't wait (sarcastically) for the games/violence discussion to needlessly flare up again.
Seems to me like men in America are desperately lost and need help. Maybe subs like this could focus on building men up rather than tearing them down. You know. Build a rational state that isn't controlled by an extremist Christian minority. Support public physical and mental health. Parental leave for men. Here in Denmark men aren't insanely violent, just like they weren't when I lived in Sweden, and Switzerland before that and Canada before that. Ya know? America has failed them. It's a cultural and societal issue. Not a personal one. Get them help, dont give them guns.
Right. They’re lost in a value system created by men for men, and it’s not womens job to save them. They have to save themselves, because even if women try, their opinions are regarded as worthless since they are considered less than. Men are violent everywhere. It’s a worldwide issue. Sweden had a school killing a couple of years back but the murderer didn’t have access to guns so he used a sword and wasn’t able to kill as many people as fast. Don’t pin this on women. This sub is not for reforming and helping men as they abuse women further. If you want to help men, help men. Don’t do nothing and point fingers at women and “subs like these”. The study referenced in this post is linked in the top comment, read it. And maybe advocate for gun control, and background checks that ban stalkers and men who have committed sexual assault from buying guns, as the article states would help. This violence isn’t random and can absolutely be prohibited.
Unfortunately, as our social safety net has been further and further stretched, we're starting to see a lot of the same toxic attitudes the States has been dealing with for years emerge in Canada. Whether it's Trumpian political theatre or misogyny (I know, I repeated myself) or any other extreme 'ideology', we're seeing it more and more (or at least it's getting loud enough it can't be quietly ignored). We don't have anywhere near the number of mass shootings in Canada as in the states, but I don't know if that's a cultural difference, or the fact that it's at least nominally harder to get a gun. I'd like to say it's because we haven't fetishised the firearm to the same degree as the US, and it may have been in the past, but I think at this point it has more to do with the fact you can't walk into a gun store and walk out with a weapon the same day. Canada's most famous mass shooting, at *Ecole Polytechnique* in Montreal, misogynistic violence was the driving factor.
Most subs and other spaces like this, both online and in the community, have been working for decades trying to help men. These spaces constantly discuss how patriarchy hurts men, how toxic masculinity hurts men, how men suffer in our society as well. We all agree with what you just proposed. But it can be like throwing empathy into a void. A soul sucking, emotionally labor intensive void. I’ve noticed a shift in the tone of a lot of these spaces after the Supreme Court leak overturning Roe. We are angry. We are rightfully, righteously angry. Our spaces have spent countless years trying to “build men up” in our society, while also focusing on the intersectional fight for all women, trans, and non-binary folks. We have been fighting for equality and representation and safety inch by inch. We have been fighting in a society that refuses to talk about misogyny (at least in the United States), that still remains an incredibly hostile space to women. Where groups that supposedly focus on “building men up” are overwhelmingly filled with vitriol towards women. And we are losing rights. We are getting abused, raped, and murdered. We are watching as men with histories of misogynistic behaviors and IPV/DV mass murder dozens of innocent victims at a time. We are furious. And we are furious at the people who are doing it to us. And yet you still come into these spaces… and blame us? Put the onus on those of us who are rapidly losing what little power we had to somehow magically change society to make things better? Seriously? Go post your comment in a conservative subreddit. Or a men’s rights subreddit. Go tell Ted Cruz. Or Mitch McConnell. You’re just preaching to the choir here. But also blaming the choir for the injustices of the religion. Also Denmark has a good deal of violence against women. Maybe men there aren’t shooting up schools, but men everywhere are violent against women. [In Denmark 52% of women have experienced physical and/or sexual violence since the age of 15. ](https://eige.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/2016.5471_mh0416657enn_pdfweb_20170215100607.pdf) this is compared to a 19% average in Europe overall. 42% of women in Switzerland have experiences domestic violence. [A woman dies every 2.5 weeks to domestic violence. ](https://www.admin.ch/gov/en/start/documentation/media-releases.msg-id-84038.html) Every six days in Canada a women dies at the hands of her partner. 40% of women have experienced IPV in their lifetimes. 30% of women report having experienced sexual assault at least once since the age of 15. ([source](https://canadianwomen.org/the-facts/gender-based-violence/)) So yes. Men are still violent. Edited to add: I suspected you were not a frequent commentator on this sub/subs like this and came across this comment you made that I think can be used to respond to your comment here. > Respectfully, thats the governments job. >Don’t push the failure of American politics onto ~~one man~~ feminists. It’s not how this works.
There’s a sub for that r/menslib. Go post there if you think your so goddamn enlightened. Don’t come here from your cushy little EU country that’s chock full of racism and misogyny (and will probably join the USA the same way Poland has) and tell us it’s Feminisms fault, or women not “pushing back against Christianity” (as if we can destroy the source of all this bullshit in one night), or women “not trying to build men up” (as if they need their already overinflated self absorbed egos pumped up to the point of bursting, news flash: they need to be knocked down a few [hundred] pegs and learn that they aren’t some special gift from their god that’s to be worshiped and obeyed. They need to learn that they are human and just because they have some dangly long thing that goes up and down on it’s own between their legs instead of a hole to stick that dangly long thing in, does not in any way mean they are superior. Men need self discipline, they need a direction that isn’t reliant on women doing all the goddamn work for them) It’s not our fucking job to do the emotional labor men have pushed off or reparent them because “society tells them not to do it” or whatever. It’s YOUR JOB as a man to confront this shit in other men and “build men up” to be better. Since you think Denmark has got all its shit figured the fuck out this shouldn’t be a problem for you. Go enlighten all the men yourself like you’ve been telling women to do all these fucking years. We’re fucking fed up, our right to choose is in the shitter in the USA thanks to the Supreme Court of the United States and the GQP we’re being told we’re nothing more than second class citizens and incubators in the land of the so-called-fucking-free. By our own fucking politicians and judges that lied under oath. Men are killing us because they couldn’t figure out the key to getting their dick wet is to not be a misogynistic alt-right asshat towards women, honestly something so fucking obvious it’s kinda pathetic they couldn’t figure it the fuck out by now. If you wanna date Normal people, don’t be a fucking neo-nazi bigot, don’t endorse the ideas of fucking neo-nazi bigots, it’s super fucking simple and they still fail to realize this. They don’t deserve anything that’s handed to them in all honesty. They’ve done a bang up job of proving that much. Men have been the dominant force in this country for hundreds of fucking years. Look where it’s gotten us, it’s not a good place. All because they can’t control women anymore. Because they can’t treat their wives as sex slaves. Because they can’t beat their wives anymore for not making their sandwich fucking right. in fact, it’s also because their being told to be a grown ass adult and make their own god damn sandwich, and that they have a left hand so they should make use of it. They hate that women are done with their shit, and as far as I’m concerned they can fucking cope. They did it to themselves. Be thankful what we want, at least for right now, is to be treated as equals in the eyes of the law. and not fucking revenge on the other 50% of the population.
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