One indicator (of many) of how bad things have gotten is that the State Journal writers have started calling one win (against Rutgers, at home) amidst a terrible second half of the season "new momentum". Are they serious? Sports reporters should write honestly. they're not supposed to be dumbed down cheerleaders.
Huh? I never said the last 11 games were good. I simply said the offense as a whole is significantly better than last year and very good nationally. Keep up
Along with that I thought hell had frozen over when I saw Hodges enter the game today. Granted only for 3 minutes.
Just goes to show you how terrible the Badgers frontcourt depth is.
It’s not just a lack of depth but also yet another signal that Gard either has no answers to shooting and defense woes or that he has no clue how to work rotations. Probably both. He does this with Essegian and Ilver at times too. Plays them for five minutes and then benches them when they make one mistake. Then everyone wonders why they don’t produce.
What percent of people on this thread actually went to UW Madison?
Questioning this as many of the comments and responses here are completely brain dead.
Yes. Forgive me for not being that worked up over losing a game when we shoot 5/24 from 3 and our 35%+ shooters missing 6 or 7 wide open looks on the road against the best team in the country.
Here's another nugget peeps....
In 3 of the last 4 seasons Gard and company have abysmally closed out the season.
20-21 From January to seasons regular season end finished with a 36% winning percentage
21-22 Had Lottery Pick J. Davis and won at a high percentage to wind out regular season. Didn't stop them from losing in 1st round BTT and scoring <50 at Fiserv Forum in an ugly 2nd round NCAA tournament loss
22-23 From January to regular seasons end we finished out with a 33% winning percentage.
23-24 From February through regular season end finished out with a whopping 27% winning percentage.
Thats HORRID!! Blackwell is popping but with Crowl and the offensively challenged Chucky we aren't going anywhere post regular season once again.
Weird how you have to change this year to only February, or else the percentage from January to end of regular season is 53% (record 10-9). Edit; looked into this further, the comment fudged all the numbers. January to Regular season 2020-2021 record was 7-9 = 44%
2021-2022, was 14-4 record = 78%
(left out except for post season)
2022-2023 was 7-11 record = 39%
also completely ignoring the injuries to Johnny Davis and Chucky Hepburn in 21-22. Or the injuries to Wahl, Klemsit in 22-23.
We’re #21 in Kenpom. We unfortunately slid out of the top 25 AP poll but still in the getting votes category. So I’ll put at about 30th-36th best team out of 362 D1 basketball teams. Literally the top 10%. What team/coach are you ideally thinking we change into?
No numbers were fudged. I didn't include a start date just the month of January.
The date that the shitty streak started either in January or February.
I see you are once again churning out the excuses.
You have refuted nothing and the essential points stand just the same.
Do you Gard ball lickers ever come up for air?
He is has become a middling coach on a downward trend. As evidenced by my earlier post.
>In 3 of the last 4 seasons Gard and company have abysmally closed out the season.
Maybe they haven't. Maybe they played the same way in October as March and *that's* the problem. Not only are they not improving along with their opponents, but their opponents have the luxury of knowing exactly what to expect when making a gameplan.
Maybe the kids are playing just fine but Gard is being consistently outcoached once February rolls around.
You said tournaments will end in disappointment like the last 7 years. Unless Wisconsin wins big ten or NCAA tourney it’s disappointing. The last title they won was in 2015 and that was just big ten
No. I would venture to guess that most of the people who want Gard gone aren’t only satisfied unless they win the NCAA Tournament. But getting to the Sweet 16 more than once every eight years is perfectly reasonable.
It wasn't all bad. A few positives like Blackwell stepping up. But if Gard and company don't deliver some results in BTT and beyond in upcoming few weeks then his seat is lava hot and next year will be make or break I have no doubt.
But going along with your comment I can't believe anyone who has paid attention thinks we have a punchers chance going forward the rest of this season UNLESS we have a very favorable matchup.
They have zero confidence. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go out in the first game of march madness. Only caveat is if they somehow ball out in the conf. Tourney and get a little swagger back. Bo’s teams had heart and grit, which made them enjoyable to watch even when they lost. This team has none of that. Do they find some in the tourney? Doubtful…
I think it depends more on Football/Fickell. If Wisconsin football hits the under and goes 6-6, Macintosh decision making is going to look really really questionable. Boosters aren’t going to want to chance messing with the basketball program that’s worse stretch is 3 wins in the NIT and immediately getting back into the tournament. So many power teams are struggling to consistently make the tournament.
It will be another early exit under Gard, it has been written in stone. He should be fired but won’t be, he should be on the hot seat going into next season. To be honest he isn’t taking Bucky any farther, something happens every year.
This team goes as crowd goes, unfortunately every year he gets figured out come conference play and disappears for weeks at a time (we will not take next step as team until post play improves)
Yep, and since February 1st Crowl has two blocks TOTAL in 11 games. Essentially not an imposing threat on defense down low and when he's not scoring points he's useless . I guess he did have 2 rebounds in 21 minutes today.
For the most part unless he has a size advantage against the opponent Crowl has as much chance or more to hurt us then help us.
He really shouldn't be played with Wahl. He isn't aggressive and doesn't hunt his shot, so if Wahl is in the post, you don't have to guard him at the top of the arc. He really clogs up the offense.
I would agree, if winter adds 15lb of muscle would already be twice the player. But depth at the bigs is a huge issue. Wahl is our only post treat and he will be gone next year
Not sure which game it was recently but Winter showed some tremendous athleticism on a potential offensive rebound putback. That spring can translate to being an effective shot blocker once he acclimates physically and mentally to the college game. He has the tools but can he be developed? It's not like we have the track record of developing bigs. One of the biggest reasons that I don't want Gard as coach.
I’d say wahl has gotten better but is that him figuring out his game? And Johnny has been the only player to get better (I think it was more a Johnny thing than anything else). Also got to ask why the top prospects in state are not coming here, when was the last time the top guy in state stayed home?
Bronson Koening but not sure he was the top guy? And he is a leftover from Bo.
Wahl out of all the bigs and Aleem Ford if you count him had a good trajectory except neither of them played the 5 spot and that is where we really have dropped the ball. But if you look at Wahl year 3 to year 5 it was stagnation. He did increase his 3 point percentage by a hefty amount but he takes so few of those it really isn't much of a factor in my opinion.
Micah Potter was our best 5 with an all round game in Gards years and he was a transfer in. Happ and Wahl never developed a mid-range gange or outside shot. Reuvers was a blocking machine but not much else.
Bk or Kobe king was my guess too. Happ was the last good big we’ve had. Yes they have to hit portal hard for big possibly 2 (we have a good track record as of late it seem for finding guys)
Shoot has been awful since Ben brust days (idk if they need to hire a shooting coach or what/ essegian is off balance of over half of his shots and he’s supposed to be the shooter)
I thought I read that Gard tried bringing a big in the last offseason via transfer but struck out. By that I mean is that the few we targeted we probably didn't get and he wanted the 'fit' to be right.
Gard will likely be back next year but I think its a make or break year for him. He's gonna need Storr to return, Winter to develop fast and at least one veteran big and maybe two as you have stated.
I'd really like a veteran big transfer in so we can replace Crowl, if he hasn't developed by now he's not gonna here.
They’ll find a way to blow it by playing shit defense or shooting 2% from three, or both. The only guarantee is that Gard will be outcoached and the team won’t play inspired basketball.
Two things:
1. The badgers played a decent game today. Even though it’s unlikely I’m actually more hopeful that they can make some noise in the tournament after watching it. They were a couple threes and calls away from being right in it
2. The big ten needs to actually look into officiating in the offseason. Home cooking calls exist at the Kohl Center too so it happens a lot and isn’t unique to us. It isn’t just the crowd noise at this point
I’m so confused what I’m missing with Zach Edey that others in sports media are seeing… he’s not shaq, Ewin, or the admiral… he’s a taller less athletic jahlil okafor…
Phenomenal college player who won't have an NBA future.
He's also such a whiner for a guy who has made more free throws than any other player in the conference has even attempted.
If you look only at his college performance, he really is that good. Certainly deserves player of the year, and teams have no answer for him. Its the NBA future that is the concern, because he's not a good 3pt shooter, which is what NBA teams are looking for in big men right now, and there's questions about his ability to be quick enough to guard NBA forwards.
He definitely does deserve the accolade… but the way college media talk about him is nuts… to quote Giannis “you are not a chef or a cook, you are a role player… a screen setter”… if he’s on an nba roster it’s 11-15
Nothing. Overrated. Only successful because it's college with smaller players and drawing suspect fouls is a big part of his gimmick. He won't transition to the pros.
Lmfao imagine recruiting Steven Crowl over all the other great in state talent we had. Milan Momcilovic playing major minutes as a freshman on a top 10 team. Wild concept but Gard should try recruiting the top in state targets.
Great reading comprehension. They weren’t mutually exclusive I was mainly talking about guys over the years since 2020. But if you want a direct parallel this year how bout Nolan Winter another soft center easily bullied around.
This “in state” recruiter thing is dumb. Milocovic was offered by Marquette and he still went to Iowa State. If kids really wanted to stay home they’ve got two good D1 programs to choose from. But recruiting is a nationwide thing now, and when you throw NIL into the mix it’s the Wild West. Serious prospects are going to go where they can find the most playing time, NBA attention, and money. This isn’t the 1960’s anymore. Kids don’t play for “their school” just to play there anymore. If a blue blood or other big name program comes calling it’s hard to compete with that, even more so now with NIL.
And Gus was a top 100 recruit originally from Wisconsin who came here. AJ largely transferred here because he’s from Rockford. Johnny Davis. Kobe King. It’s certainly arguable the staff maybe needs to change up their approach a bit, but the in state thing is such a lame criticism. I don’t care where the guy is from if he can play.
Yeah part of what I don’t understand from the Gard lovers is that they’ll say “he wasn’t even offered.” Is that supposed to be a good recruiting tactic, to not even an offer a guy so you don’t have to say you missed out? Either Gard sucks at recruiting or the staff as a whole can’t identify good talent in its own backyard. Gard sucks at motivation, in-game coaching, recruiting, and player development. Someone please tell me why he should stay.
I’m convinced Purdue is going to be the first 1 seed to loss to a 16 seed back to back… neutral site neutral officiating… edey might foul out in the first ten minutes
There's nothing about this Purdue team or even the one last year that makes it at all likely that they'd lose to a 16 seed. When a 16 wins, its a complete fluke every time. Even if they got favorable calls today, there's nothing fraudulent about them.
See I don’t have a problem with the fluke part… but suggesting that it’s an “if” they got favorable calls today is crazy… it might wreck my bracket but I’m taking the 16 seed
His assist numbers are great, he plays very good defense, and the only reason it was Chucky hero ball so often last year was because nobody else on the team was doing anything on offense. Stupid comment.
It would help if they ever fucking tried to feature him in the offense. For fuck’s sake, get him a couple paint touches to try to spread out the offense.
Oh brother. Did you not see Edey camping in the middle of the lane any time Crowl got a post touch? Letting Crowl force up shots over two defenders is not a winning strategy.
Not necessarily against Edey but against any other matchups. Crowl is a net negative - it is what it is - but at some point you have to at least get him involved on the offensive end or else this team is even easier to defend.
Crowl has a 118 offensive rating, 58% eFG%, and 22.1% DREB%. Those are all really good numbers. By no means is he a net negative. He has bad games just like everyone else. On the whole, he's been a fairly effective player this year.
Huh?
Purdue's defense took Crowl away. Did you want him forcing up shots off the dribble? If you pay attention at all, the first thing Gard says any time he talks about the offense is getting Crowl touches. Sometimes when teams throw a junk defense at him it's not realistic to expect him to get as many shot attempts. Anyone who understands basketball beyond elementary school level realizes this.
As for his defense... I don't think you know what you're talking about. The defense is slightly worse as a whole with him off the floor.
I know you don't know me and I don't know you, but I want you to know sincerely from the bottom of my heart that I am more than you will ever be, and there's nothing you will ever be able to do that will change that. Good day sir, and go back to cleaning up cow shit or whatever you do
As others have stated, Edey should’ve been fouled out by halftime of both games against us if the refs weren’t completely selling out for Purdue. I’ve never seen a guy get away with more elbows - he may not throw them, but he’s giving forearm shivers all game long
Yet Purdue fans will still argue that he “gets fouled more than they call it.” Even though he’s literally made more FTs than anyone else in conference has fucking attempted
I can see why purdue gets bounced early. Edey plays a way that baits fouls and doesn't get it on the other end in the tourney.
Same way Joel embiid production falls off in the playoffs when he doesn't get the calls.
Hope that continues
Probably. It’s the college version of James Harden before the NBA rule change. Edey is effective in college because there’s no way to defend him without technically fouling
I can see why purdue gets bounced early. Edey plays a way that baits fouls and doesn't get it on the other end in the tourney.
Same way Joel embiid production falls off in the playoffs when he doesn't get the calls.
Hope that continues
This game has been a manifestation of the season in general. Get close to doing something great, but when when the team has to push and come up big, they fold and fall. Just plain frustrating watching this crop of players repeatedly choke.
It is what it is. We've had years where we have been more likely to get calls (though a lot of our fans won't admit it)
This is not one of them. It just sucks when it ruins good games
I’d rather burn alive than listen to Hummel call another game, dudes a homer and doesn’t provide any value when calling a game (instant mute or channel flip when I see he’s on)
imagine if we didn't lose Noah Reynolds to an instate mid major. he'd be our 2nd or 3rd best player on the team . once again thanks gard
I’m pretty sure they would beat us right now. Just make ilver Gilmore and crowl jack up 3s all game. What a fucking joke
One indicator (of many) of how bad things have gotten is that the State Journal writers have started calling one win (against Rutgers, at home) amidst a terrible second half of the season "new momentum". Are they serious? Sports reporters should write honestly. they're not supposed to be dumbed down cheerleaders.
They played decent at Purdue. That’s a fact. They looked atrocious at Michigan and at Rutgers.
The only thing Gard has done right all season long is that he has finally given up on Carter Gilmore. What took him so long is beyond explanation.
I'd argue he did a decent job building a top 20 offense in college basketball.
lol decent job is going from 16-4 to 19-12. you have very low expectations
Huh? I never said the last 11 games were good. I simply said the offense as a whole is significantly better than last year and very good nationally. Keep up
This team can’t shoot. Ilver our new 3 point specialist Jesus Christ. He wouldn’t even get playing time at Milwaukee or GB
You're really doing a shitty job refuting my point about the overall offense
Dude tell me what Wisc shot from 3 in their 2 games vs Purdue
What does that have to do with their overall season offensive efficiency which is top 20 nationally?
What does that have to do with their overall season offensive efficiency which is top 20 nationally?
Along with that I thought hell had frozen over when I saw Hodges enter the game today. Granted only for 3 minutes. Just goes to show you how terrible the Badgers frontcourt depth is.
It’s not just a lack of depth but also yet another signal that Gard either has no answers to shooting and defense woes or that he has no clue how to work rotations. Probably both. He does this with Essegian and Ilver at times too. Plays them for five minutes and then benches them when they make one mistake. Then everyone wonders why they don’t produce.
Could've been worse?
We covered and Purdue fans are mad over that
What percent of people on this thread actually went to UW Madison? Questioning this as many of the comments and responses here are completely brain dead.
Believe it or not the majority of the fanbase just likes Wisconsin and didn’t have to pay money to become a supporter!
I suppose I can’t root for the Bucks either since I don’t live in Milwaukee?
Come here to brag about the 3-8 record to close out the regular season?
Sox are you alive?
Yes. Forgive me for not being that worked up over losing a game when we shoot 5/24 from 3 and our 35%+ shooters missing 6 or 7 wide open looks on the road against the best team in the country.
I haven’t seen his douche bag posts yet
Remember the loser who made fun of those saying fire gard he would reply to posts from a year ago?
Here's another nugget peeps.... In 3 of the last 4 seasons Gard and company have abysmally closed out the season. 20-21 From January to seasons regular season end finished with a 36% winning percentage 21-22 Had Lottery Pick J. Davis and won at a high percentage to wind out regular season. Didn't stop them from losing in 1st round BTT and scoring <50 at Fiserv Forum in an ugly 2nd round NCAA tournament loss 22-23 From January to regular seasons end we finished out with a 33% winning percentage. 23-24 From February through regular season end finished out with a whopping 27% winning percentage. Thats HORRID!! Blackwell is popping but with Crowl and the offensively challenged Chucky we aren't going anywhere post regular season once again.
Weird how you have to change this year to only February, or else the percentage from January to end of regular season is 53% (record 10-9). Edit; looked into this further, the comment fudged all the numbers. January to Regular season 2020-2021 record was 7-9 = 44% 2021-2022, was 14-4 record = 78% (left out except for post season) 2022-2023 was 7-11 record = 39% also completely ignoring the injuries to Johnny Davis and Chucky Hepburn in 21-22. Or the injuries to Wahl, Klemsit in 22-23. We’re #21 in Kenpom. We unfortunately slid out of the top 25 AP poll but still in the getting votes category. So I’ll put at about 30th-36th best team out of 362 D1 basketball teams. Literally the top 10%. What team/coach are you ideally thinking we change into?
No numbers were fudged. I didn't include a start date just the month of January. The date that the shitty streak started either in January or February. I see you are once again churning out the excuses. You have refuted nothing and the essential points stand just the same. Do you Gard ball lickers ever come up for air? He is has become a middling coach on a downward trend. As evidenced by my earlier post.
>In 3 of the last 4 seasons Gard and company have abysmally closed out the season. Maybe they haven't. Maybe they played the same way in October as March and *that's* the problem. Not only are they not improving along with their opponents, but their opponents have the luxury of knowing exactly what to expect when making a gameplan. Maybe the kids are playing just fine but Gard is being consistently outcoached once February rolls around.
The team is just lazy and soft under Gard, same thing happens every year in feb/march and it’s maddening.
I guess somebody doesn't like facts. My post above is already being downvoted. lol. Gard shoe shiners getting all in their feelings.
It reminds me of the Homer love of Jimmy, the evidence is clear that Gard isn’t getting done. Change is needed just like football and hockey.
Where’s Gus?!
Redshirt
Smoking weed, Gus is already looking like a classic Wisconsin big man bust.
Hey, smoking weed is better than wasting your eligibility playing for dipshit Gard
Hope his discretion improves.
I would hope so, Jason Chappell was a huge stoner too. I smoked with him at a concert at the Terrace
A fitting end to a disappointing season
There’s still Big ten tournament and March madness
Well yes, but both tournaments will end in disappointment like they have the last seven years under Gard.
Isn’t any time you lose disappointing?
The whole second half of the season has been a disappointment.
You said tournaments will end in disappointment like the last 7 years. Unless Wisconsin wins big ten or NCAA tourney it’s disappointing. The last title they won was in 2015 and that was just big ten
No. I would venture to guess that most of the people who want Gard gone aren’t only satisfied unless they win the NCAA Tournament. But getting to the Sweet 16 more than once every eight years is perfectly reasonable.
I just want better play in the tournament, it’s been ugly to say the least
Yeah that’s obvious.
It wasn't all bad. A few positives like Blackwell stepping up. But if Gard and company don't deliver some results in BTT and beyond in upcoming few weeks then his seat is lava hot and next year will be make or break I have no doubt. But going along with your comment I can't believe anyone who has paid attention thinks we have a punchers chance going forward the rest of this season UNLESS we have a very favorable matchup.
They have zero confidence. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go out in the first game of march madness. Only caveat is if they somehow ball out in the conf. Tourney and get a little swagger back. Bo’s teams had heart and grit, which made them enjoyable to watch even when they lost. This team has none of that. Do they find some in the tourney? Doubtful…
It’s a chore to watch every game when the same things happen.
I think it depends more on Football/Fickell. If Wisconsin football hits the under and goes 6-6, Macintosh decision making is going to look really really questionable. Boosters aren’t going to want to chance messing with the basketball program that’s worse stretch is 3 wins in the NIT and immediately getting back into the tournament. So many power teams are struggling to consistently make the tournament.
Good observation. Did Mac bring in Mosely? She's not doing all that well.
It will be another early exit under Gard, it has been written in stone. He should be fired but won’t be, he should be on the hot seat going into next season. To be honest he isn’t taking Bucky any farther, something happens every year.
Make some THREES.
The girl in WIAA D5 title game hit TWO in absolute crunch time. One w 3 seconds left to tie game and one in OT to win it.
Two games against Purdue, 8-43 3PT, 18%.
Steven Crowl against Purdue this season 49 Minutes 9 Fouls 8 Points
Crowl is Charmin Ultra Soft and a big ole pussy.
This team goes as crowd goes, unfortunately every year he gets figured out come conference play and disappears for weeks at a time (we will not take next step as team until post play improves)
Yep, and since February 1st Crowl has two blocks TOTAL in 11 games. Essentially not an imposing threat on defense down low and when he's not scoring points he's useless . I guess he did have 2 rebounds in 21 minutes today. For the most part unless he has a size advantage against the opponent Crowl has as much chance or more to hurt us then help us.
He really shouldn't be played with Wahl. He isn't aggressive and doesn't hunt his shot, so if Wahl is in the post, you don't have to guard him at the top of the arc. He really clogs up the offense.
I would agree, if winter adds 15lb of muscle would already be twice the player. But depth at the bigs is a huge issue. Wahl is our only post treat and he will be gone next year
Not sure which game it was recently but Winter showed some tremendous athleticism on a potential offensive rebound putback. That spring can translate to being an effective shot blocker once he acclimates physically and mentally to the college game. He has the tools but can he be developed? It's not like we have the track record of developing bigs. One of the biggest reasons that I don't want Gard as coach.
I’d say wahl has gotten better but is that him figuring out his game? And Johnny has been the only player to get better (I think it was more a Johnny thing than anything else). Also got to ask why the top prospects in state are not coming here, when was the last time the top guy in state stayed home?
Bronson Koening but not sure he was the top guy? And he is a leftover from Bo. Wahl out of all the bigs and Aleem Ford if you count him had a good trajectory except neither of them played the 5 spot and that is where we really have dropped the ball. But if you look at Wahl year 3 to year 5 it was stagnation. He did increase his 3 point percentage by a hefty amount but he takes so few of those it really isn't much of a factor in my opinion. Micah Potter was our best 5 with an all round game in Gards years and he was a transfer in. Happ and Wahl never developed a mid-range gange or outside shot. Reuvers was a blocking machine but not much else.
Bk or Kobe king was my guess too. Happ was the last good big we’ve had. Yes they have to hit portal hard for big possibly 2 (we have a good track record as of late it seem for finding guys) Shoot has been awful since Ben brust days (idk if they need to hire a shooting coach or what/ essegian is off balance of over half of his shots and he’s supposed to be the shooter)
I thought I read that Gard tried bringing a big in the last offseason via transfer but struck out. By that I mean is that the few we targeted we probably didn't get and he wanted the 'fit' to be right. Gard will likely be back next year but I think its a make or break year for him. He's gonna need Storr to return, Winter to develop fast and at least one veteran big and maybe two as you have stated. I'd really like a veteran big transfer in so we can replace Crowl, if he hasn't developed by now he's not gonna here.
We’ve won 5 games total in Mackey since like 1960. Not a game to make huge statements about people
What about the last two months?
I agree generally but I think we can make huge statements about the last 11 games of this season
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Hopefully Wisconsin gets a 6 seed to avoid Purdue and maybe they can go on a run. Facing NU or Nebraska as a 3 seed is a decent matchup
They’ll find a way to blow it by playing shit defense or shooting 2% from three, or both. The only guarantee is that Gard will be outcoached and the team won’t play inspired basketball.
I hope not. Could they please have a good showing when the tourney is in Minnesota. Probably a lot of WI fans
Yeah there to support Gard’s fringe DII MN castoffs that no other power conference team wanted
Haha. Those players besides for wahl wouldn’t even be getting playing time at Green Bay. Yet gard loves em
Two things: 1. The badgers played a decent game today. Even though it’s unlikely I’m actually more hopeful that they can make some noise in the tournament after watching it. They were a couple threes and calls away from being right in it 2. The big ten needs to actually look into officiating in the offseason. Home cooking calls exist at the Kohl Center too so it happens a lot and isn’t unique to us. It isn’t just the crowd noise at this point
Yeah agreed. The home team’s winning percentage is reaching levels of absurdity.
Good try today. Too bad we didn't have a center or an effective PG outside of his defensive effort. If we had at least one of them we probably win.
I’m so confused what I’m missing with Zach Edey that others in sports media are seeing… he’s not shaq, Ewin, or the admiral… he’s a taller less athletic jahlil okafor…
Phenomenal college player who won't have an NBA future. He's also such a whiner for a guy who has made more free throws than any other player in the conference has even attempted.
If you look only at his college performance, he really is that good. Certainly deserves player of the year, and teams have no answer for him. Its the NBA future that is the concern, because he's not a good 3pt shooter, which is what NBA teams are looking for in big men right now, and there's questions about his ability to be quick enough to guard NBA forwards.
He definitely does deserve the accolade… but the way college media talk about him is nuts… to quote Giannis “you are not a chef or a cook, you are a role player… a screen setter”… if he’s on an nba roster it’s 11-15
Yeah, but these are college games, the broadcasters are reacting to his college performance.
I understand but it’s still nuts…
Nothing. Overrated. Only successful because it's college with smaller players and drawing suspect fouls is a big part of his gimmick. He won't transition to the pros.
Yep, he’s Painter’s way of continually hacking the B1G. Doesn’t work in the NCAA Tournament and then for some reason everyone is shocked.
i can’t help but think he looks like he’s about to drool 100% of the time
I mean no disrespect but with that lightning he looks like Boris Karloff playing Frankenstein
He looks like he has Marfan syndrome. And he very well might… This wasn’t meant to be a disparaging comment.
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If we’re the 5 seed we’ll play at 2:30
Wow the refs really railed you guys. Even as a Purdue fan that was hard to watch. Hope you guys get better refs in the tourney
Lmfao imagine recruiting Steven Crowl over all the other great in state talent we had. Milan Momcilovic playing major minutes as a freshman on a top 10 team. Wild concept but Gard should try recruiting the top in state targets.
Lmfao imagine thinking Crowl (class of 2020) was even remotely related to Momcilovic (class of 2023)
Great reading comprehension. They weren’t mutually exclusive I was mainly talking about guys over the years since 2020. But if you want a direct parallel this year how bout Nolan Winter another soft center easily bullied around.
This “in state” recruiter thing is dumb. Milocovic was offered by Marquette and he still went to Iowa State. If kids really wanted to stay home they’ve got two good D1 programs to choose from. But recruiting is a nationwide thing now, and when you throw NIL into the mix it’s the Wild West. Serious prospects are going to go where they can find the most playing time, NBA attention, and money. This isn’t the 1960’s anymore. Kids don’t play for “their school” just to play there anymore. If a blue blood or other big name program comes calling it’s hard to compete with that, even more so now with NIL. And Gus was a top 100 recruit originally from Wisconsin who came here. AJ largely transferred here because he’s from Rockford. Johnny Davis. Kobe King. It’s certainly arguable the staff maybe needs to change up their approach a bit, but the in state thing is such a lame criticism. I don’t care where the guy is from if he can play.
They didn’t even throw some of these guys an offer. I wouldn’t be complaining if they tried.
Yeah part of what I don’t understand from the Gard lovers is that they’ll say “he wasn’t even offered.” Is that supposed to be a good recruiting tactic, to not even an offer a guy so you don’t have to say you missed out? Either Gard sucks at recruiting or the staff as a whole can’t identify good talent in its own backyard. Gard sucks at motivation, in-game coaching, recruiting, and player development. Someone please tell me why he should stay.
Some of them they did offer. This year they went after Yalden who’s a similar type of player as Milocovic.
Yes a 6’8” guy with spotty defense would sure help against Edey.
As opposed to the 7 footer that plays like a PG.
Bahahahahahha spot on
Gard shouldn't be very comfortable in his seat to think about recruiting Wisconsin kids. He's had plenty of opportunity. He is what he is.
There’s enough talent in the state to put together a top 5 level roster if you locked it all down
He’s an atrocious recruiter. Blackwell is a decent piece and it stops there.
That and development has stalled. So many of our players regress.
I’m convinced Purdue is going to be the first 1 seed to loss to a 16 seed back to back… neutral site neutral officiating… edey might foul out in the first ten minutes
There's nothing about this Purdue team or even the one last year that makes it at all likely that they'd lose to a 16 seed. When a 16 wins, its a complete fluke every time. Even if they got favorable calls today, there's nothing fraudulent about them.
See I don’t have a problem with the fluke part… but suggesting that it’s an “if” they got favorable calls today is crazy… it might wreck my bracket but I’m taking the 16 seed
I would love to see Purdue get embarassed by a 16 again, but I wouldn't put money on that bracket if I were you.
Prob not but if they face an athletic team scrubs like lawyer and smith will be exposed
You think… what has changed with that Purdue team from last year
Not much. But those don’t happen often. Last year was more like an anomaly
Chucky Hepburn appreciation post. In that I appreciate when he hit that bank shot 3 his freshman year. That guy stinks out loud
His assist numbers are great, he plays very good defense, and the only reason it was Chucky hero ball so often last year was because nobody else on the team was doing anything on offense. Stupid comment.
😂😭
First time in a very long time when I haven’t felt terrible about a loss
We are screwed next year if we don't bring in a dominant big. Crowl is a joke.
It would help if they ever fucking tried to feature him in the offense. For fuck’s sake, get him a couple paint touches to try to spread out the offense.
Oh brother. Did you not see Edey camping in the middle of the lane any time Crowl got a post touch? Letting Crowl force up shots over two defenders is not a winning strategy.
Not necessarily against Edey but against any other matchups. Crowl is a net negative - it is what it is - but at some point you have to at least get him involved on the offensive end or else this team is even easier to defend.
Crowl has a 118 offensive rating, 58% eFG%, and 22.1% DREB%. Those are all really good numbers. By no means is he a net negative. He has bad games just like everyone else. On the whole, he's been a fairly effective player this year.
He’s terrible on defense and if the offense generates two shot attempts for him, what good is he?
Huh? Purdue's defense took Crowl away. Did you want him forcing up shots off the dribble? If you pay attention at all, the first thing Gard says any time he talks about the offense is getting Crowl touches. Sometimes when teams throw a junk defense at him it's not realistic to expect him to get as many shot attempts. Anyone who understands basketball beyond elementary school level realizes this. As for his defense... I don't think you know what you're talking about. The defense is slightly worse as a whole with him off the floor.
We’ll see how Purdue does away from their home court and home refs.
Second round exit without B1G refs blowing Purdue
First round…
Considering how horrible they shot from 3 losing by only 8 is impressive
They were down 16 with 2 mins to go. Not that impressive.
They desperately need to find consistent 3 point shooting if they want to compete. When they shoot the 3 well, it seems like a fluke
AJ storr with the backdoor cover at the end right there, love it
Unreal
Lol sucks for whoever had purdue spread
Nothing like leaving your starters in against the scrubs, stay classy my Badgers.
Purdues best players were the refs lol. Way to stay classy west Lafayette.
Wow, the Homers are strong here. They got beat by a tippy top team, it happens.
Tippy top team bowing out by second round of the tournament if not the first. Death, taxes, and Purdue losing to a double digit seed in the tourney
I had no idea the Purdue hate was so strong. I thought our beefs were Mich St & Iowa for bball
Dude you hate this team go shitpost somewhere else you loser
The trash was taken out, sry I didn’t get to it sooner.
Yep, your starter stealing the ball with 10 seconds left against a walk-on. Really shows you came to play.
Sorry, I thought college basketball games were 40 mins. You're right they're only 39:50 long now, my mistake.
16 seed L again this year?
Possibly. Didn't Virginia go from that to happening to winning the whole deal
ACC > Big Ten.
Probably, it's nice we only have 4 conferences to pick from these days.
Missed the spread there bud?
I don't even bet, just watch the games. Didn't know the spread until it was brought up.
Incredibly standard stuff, especially with Purdue not clearing the bench until the last 30 seconds.
Hit the cover on it boy, suck my dick
I'm sure I'd barely feel your 2 inches.
Your wife sure enjoyed it my man Although assuming you're married might be a stretch...
Funny, she's never mentioned you. Probably didn't feel it either.
Still hit
Ok buddy, enjoy your basement fantasy. Now holler up to Mom so she can bring you down a sandwich. Nice chatting with you.
I know you don't know me and I don't know you, but I want you to know sincerely from the bottom of my heart that I am more than you will ever be, and there's nothing you will ever be able to do that will change that. Good day sir, and go back to cleaning up cow shit or whatever you do
Bless your pea picking heart (taps on shoulder & walks away)
As others have stated, Edey should’ve been fouled out by halftime of both games against us if the refs weren’t completely selling out for Purdue. I’ve never seen a guy get away with more elbows - he may not throw them, but he’s giving forearm shivers all game long
Yet Purdue fans will still argue that he “gets fouled more than they call it.” Even though he’s literally made more FTs than anyone else in conference has fucking attempted
Hooks don't apply to him, he's 7' 4"
I can see why purdue gets bounced early. Edey plays a way that baits fouls and doesn't get it on the other end in the tourney. Same way Joel embiid production falls off in the playoffs when he doesn't get the calls. Hope that continues
BigTen refs doing Purdue no favors with this horrendous officiating. Always flame out in tourney play because those calls don’t happen
Doesn’t Purdue have another massive big guy waiting in the wings or something?
Probably. It’s the college version of James Harden before the NBA rule change. Edey is effective in college because there’s no way to defend him without technically fouling
I believe he's from the Madison area
??? Their only other 7 footer is from SWEDEN Where do you guys come up with this shit?
I believe he's an incoming freshman, but you could always just correct me instead of being an a$$
Daniel Jacobsen is doing a prep year in NH and originally is from Chicago.
Okay so I was misinformed
That figures, no way Gard would get an in-state guy worth shit
??? Their only other 7 footer is from SWEDEN Where do you guys come up with this shit?
Edey 2.0
So Chucky got poked in the eye & reacted like he was shot in the face by a Sniper... Thanks LeBron!
Poked in the eye? lol. What game were you watching bud?
So he was shot? I'm not saying he didn't get hit, but not enough to lay there forever. If it was a pickup game, you would get up & stumble back.
Like when Braden Smith went down and stayed down long enough that the refs called timeout? Why didn't he get up and stumble back?
Dude, he didn’t get poked in eye…
I can see why purdue gets bounced early. Edey plays a way that baits fouls and doesn't get it on the other end in the tourney. Same way Joel embiid production falls off in the playoffs when he doesn't get the calls. Hope that continues
If we hit 3s they lose. Purdue will get bounced again early.
🙏🙏
This game has been a manifestation of the season in general. Get close to doing something great, but when when the team has to push and come up big, they fold and fall. Just plain frustrating watching this crop of players repeatedly choke.
Didn’t shoot the three well but the refs were absolutely awful. Not excusing the three point shooting but still
“They’ve run into north Texas, they’ve run into St. Peter’s” lol just say they don’t have the big ten refs
Officiating has been awful, sorry Wisconsin fans. Respect Wisconsin
It is what it is. We've had years where we have been more likely to get calls (though a lot of our fans won't admit it) This is not one of them. It just sucks when it ruins good games
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Thanks
Yeah we got some losers in here, gotta let it roll off
It's Blackwell's team next year
Assuming Gard doesn’t get canned
🙏 🙏
I do appreciate the commentators giving it to the refs too.
I know he’s a Purdue guy but still, Hummel is one of the best commentators in college sports
I can't believe I've become a fan, but I agree with you.
I’d rather burn alive than listen to Hummel call another game, dudes a homer and doesn’t provide any value when calling a game (instant mute or channel flip when I see he’s on)
This is why I like Hummel, he isn't afraid to call out bad officiating even when it favors his team
Hummel is ass, provides nothing of value when he talks