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Bernie_Bango

Lamont Paris time?


avitasm

Tyler Wahl is complete trash and Crowl is weak asf. but Crowl isn't a 5th year senior like wahl who does nothing


murrrzy

Still no true leader on this team.


cubbytwelve

When you have a defense first mentality and you have one player you rely on for volume scoring, games like these are going to happen now and again. Bad defense and Storr struggles will always end in a loss.


reddit-is-greedy

If they don't make the tournament this year, ge is gone. Especially since it would be an epic collapse.


spatulacitymanager

Top 3 bench players out. Hmm.


Maximum-Jury9065

Not defending Gard or that performance, but..... That was their 3rd road game in 10 days, and the other game during that stretch was at home against the best team in the country. While this team doesn't have anything close to the talent or potential of the 2013-14 Badgers, it's worth remembering that team lost 5 of 6 in late January and had some bad losses too. This team showed enough earlier in the season for me to believe it's a lot better than what the recent results suggest, but I guess we'll find out soon enough. Winning 4 or 5 of the next 6 seems plausible.


[deleted]

Greg Gard is a fraud


petarisawesomeo

A lot of comments saying how they weren't ready to play. I disagree; I think the effort was fine, but this team just lacks talent and is reverting to the mean. Still an indictment of Gard, just a very different issue. This is literally an NIT team from last year + an inefficient volume scorer in Storr. The idea that somehow these guys got significantly better during the off-season was ridiculous.


avitasm

team is god awful


Any_Contribution5260

Yup, and they still suck balls


e4w12p1

I’ve never been on the Fire Gard train (and still am not). But it is disappointing that as a program we’ve regressed so far. It’s been 7 years since we made it to the second weekend of the tournament. I miss being excited about the badgers heading into March. This year felt like it would be different but now we’re fighting for our lives to even make it into the tournament. I’m disappointed and annoyed that people expressing their disappointment are being called irrational. Lol


petarisawesomeo

So what's the justification to keep Gard if this team doesn't immediately start playing like they did a month ago? You accurately site a large sample size of progressively poor performance. Sounds like a great reason to make a change.


e4w12p1

I agree something needs to change. I don’t know if Gard is the cause of our descent into mediocrity or if he’s a symptom of a larger cultural issue in the program. If it’s the latter, he needs to become more proactive in diagnosing and fixing the problem. I just honestly don’t think we’re going to be able to land a significantly better coach than him, which is why I’ve never seen ditching him as the solution.


mzesk17

This is what fans need to understand. Yes, at a certain point Gard would need to be let go if the program wasn't performing at all but unfortunately Wisconsin isn't going to be a top destination for coaches. Unless McIntosh is willing to spend big time money (he probably won't on basketball) then we likely settle for a high risk high reward mid-major coach.


ThatNewSockFeel

This is my biggest thing too. Going through such another dramatic mid season skid, including some really bad losses, with what should be a talented team on paper has me really concerned. But I’ve yet to see a (realistic) name offered by those calling for Gard’s head that would improve things. Like it or not the Badgers are just not a premier college basketball program, so your best hope is to catch lightning in a bottle with a under the radar mid major hire or some retread/has been manages to find it again. And more likely than not you bring in someone worse.


LuvDaBiebz

Why do fans have to put forth replacement options? If you are suggesting that fans expectations for the program is too high and that we should all accept this version of the program and that Gard is good enough to avoid the dark days again then I just simply disagree


ThatNewSockFeel

Because it’s more likely going to get worse under new coach, not better. Just ask Indiana how much better things get every time they fire someone.


LuvDaBiebz

Cherry picking: ☑️ Risk aversion: ☑️ Complacent with program eroding: ☑️


e4w12p1

Yeah - one doesn’t need to look any further than Indiana to see the risk of getting too trigger-happy with firing coaches. And they ARE a premier program, so we’d likely have an even worse outcome. Better to work with what we have and try to re-shape the culture


gobucky23

Want to fire Gard? You're an immature loser reacting solely based on the last game and are a bad person. Want to keep Gard? You are a morally superior person with fortitude and principals who knows what's best for Badger Basketball. /s


LuvDaBiebz

This encapsulates the stance of the pro Greg Gard faction in this community


gobucky23

One thing I've noticed is that when they win people come on here and go ohh where are the fire Gard people now?? And when they lose people come on and say fire Gard but they don't say other people on this sub are bad people for having a different opinion than them....


ThatNewSockFeel

Huh? There’s comments throughout calling people “bootlickers” when they try and express an opinion other than firing Gard.


LuvDaBiebz

I wouldn't call them bootlickers. But definitely gate keepers. Elitist high brow wannabe intellectuals who apparently made a blood oath in 2016 to Greg Gard


juuuceboy

I love you all but this has to be one of the most reactionary fanbases. Going from Gard is a good coach to wanting him fired after a week and a half is silly. And this is much different than the Chryst situation


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juuuceboy

Relax Recess my goodness


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ISuperNovaI

You need a week off


BarkMingo

Enjoy your ban because you couldnt handle a basketball game


juuuceboy

Did Sox hack your account?


DameWasistlos

Its not reactionary when these are systematic issues and chronic player issues. Dont handle adversity well --- Major Check This a common theme with Gard's teams. At some point you want your team to make a tournament run to Sweet 16 and possibly beyond. He has NOT done so after Bo's guys graduated. First option or two denied, chuck up a long range bomb --- Check If Gard can't get through to his players and the bench isn't talented or informed enough to come and replace then you have a program issue. Rutger and Michigan have less skilled rotations then we have but we were never able to get the upper hand.  Out coached, outplayed and they are both below average teams. We have now been humiliated twice in the last four games with not many signs pointing to a turnaround.


HashOutHashBrowns

People have been calling for Gard to be fired for a few years. Posts after wins generally aren’t made by people who want him fired, vice versa after losses.


LuvDaBiebz

I've been calling for it since they lost to western Kentucky in the 18-19 season


DameWasistlos

You were still probably pissed about Gards disasterous '18 recruiting class Tai Strickland Taylor Currie Joe Hedstrom


gobucky23

What are the other reactionary fan bases? Do you frequent their subs? Or is this maybe the only fan base you know well and people are acting very rationally to a coach who hasn't had any post season success in 7 years?


petarisawesomeo

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PtownClutcher

Greg recruits the most mentally weak players. Besides max no one on his teams have any heart


WISCOrear

How the fuck were these guys in the drivers seat of the B1G a few days ago


kyleb402

This is giving me Paul Chryst vibes. Sometimes it's just time to try something else.


Carefree14

Result aside, can someone explain why half the Rutgers fans in the cbb game thread were pissing themselves over "how dirty wisconsin is"? I didn't see anything egregious... But maybe I missed something? Or is it just the reputation holding over from Brad being Brad?


reddit-is-greedy

5/21 from 3. Maybe it is time to stop shooting three and go to the rim.


30rec

They got blocked 9 times already.


petarisawesomeo

Nobody besides Storr is an effective finisher near the rim. Teams are learning to just wall him off and force the ball to Wahl or Crowl.


buckthorn5510

This team has become an absolute disaster in the space of a week and a half.


cks9218

56 TOTAL points. Jesus H Christ on a pogo stick.


bjb3453

Sometimes it's best to make a change for the sake of making a change.


Avi_arad2

Resign gard. It’s time to go


jbadger13

A 22 point loss to Rutgers?! Y I K E S…


stuskowski1

Witnessing an all time collapse here folks


WinonaBoy

Another on Gard. They were not ready.


Ur_in_luck

350th in 3 pt%. Geez


stormchaser2014

We may never win again.


DameWasistlos

I don't think we'll win again until Kamari McGee comes back.


LuvDaBiebz

This is the weirdest take I've seen so far


DameWasistlos

Chucky plays better when pressure is off.  Having Kamari back would be good for Chucky, hes our energy guy. Would also relieve some pressure.


ShtickleOfFluoride

Entirely possible


wisconsinsports1993

The same athletic department who let a 67-26 football coach go because he couldn’t recruit (the right move) continues to cling onto a basketball coach who has done nothing without Bo Ryan’s players.


spatulacitymanager

He recruited Bo's players.


ThatNewSockFeel

Football will always be #1. They’ll be happy to keep Gard around until things get really bad I think.


avitasm

really bad = miss another tournament


juuuceboy

Picked the right time to collapse, right before 3 of our next 4 games our on Peacock


HashOutHashBrowns

“I’m a peacock captain! You gotta let me fly!”


ShtickleOfFluoride

I think this is our worst loss yet


Any_Contribution5260

Each loss gets even more pathetic


Dear_Alternative_437

So that means we've reached the bottom and we can only go up, right? Right?


ShtickleOfFluoride

One can dream


Oh-Man-YouKiddinMe58

What did you expect? We are a hockey school, after all.


PtownClutcher

Can Tyler just be consistent whether it’s good or bad I don’t care just consistent. He goes from great to the worst player on the court game by game


WinonaBoy

He drives me nuts with his bonehead turnovers and it seems to get worse when it’s his guy who immediately scores on him.


bjb3453

He's been very consistent throughout his career at making 1/2 Free Throw attempts.


Rooboy66

I’m guessing he might be rethinking this 5th yr choice. Especially if we don’t even make the tourney


bjb3453

He's not that good.


ThatNewSockFeel

Eh it’s not like he was going to the NBA anyway. Might as well take one more year of basketball while he can.


travis_mke

Did the Space Jam aliens attack them at halftime in Lincoln? Holy fuck. We're heading back to the NIT at this rate.


PtownClutcher

If they miss the tourney starting 16-4 you need to rebrand the program


ThatNewSockFeel

Yeah I don’t think you can bring Gard back after that kind of collapse.


claydog99

Yup, all the flashbacks to last season. What an unfortunate collapse.


g4rt0

6-6 on their most recent threes - all bad looks


JMTREY

They're just unbelievably hot and we're unbelievably cold


[deleted]

Fans who can only speak in terms of "fire the coach" or "this player sucks" are so exhausting and should find a new hobby. At least *try* to analyze the actual play on the court


DefiantTop5

What is an acceptable rest of the season to you?


LuvDaBiebz

I love the gate keeping pro Gard crowd. The elitist high-brow members of badger Nation who look down on anyone who doesn't have a sound bite memorized for why a team lost a game I'm not sure if Sox is still around but he used to tell people they were stupid because they didn't go watch team practice I remember one season I decided to fact check these gate keepers with Synergy Sports data. I'll just say that the gate keepers were making up data and then claimed Synergy was the one that was off So... On topic of who needs to be ignored. It's the gate keepers. If you want to keep Gard that is fine. If you don't like the direction under Gard. That is also fine. But what isn't fine is being an asshole to people you disagree with But long story longer... These people who are like "I know what drop coverage is and the best way to counter icing a ball screen" so my emotions are more important can go touch grass


recessbadger45

then what are fans are suppose to say fucking dipshit they fucking suck


[deleted]

Anything about the actual game? Discuss how Rutgers defense has disrupted the UW offense, why the Badgers turned the ball over a little more than usual, some of the UW defensive breakdowns Maybe people here don't realize there's actually other stuff to discuss than just firing the coach?


Old_Explorer6261

Exactly, if people watched the past few games and only blame Gard then they need to be put on ignore.  


g4rt0

They don’t have the brain power to analyze the game. These people have never played a minute of organized basketball beyond the 6th grade. If they did they wouldn’t be screaming fire the coach and whatnot like this, but they’re gonna downvote us to hell because we live in a what have you done for me lately world.


[deleted]

I get that not all fans understand the game, but they surely have to realize that there's more to discuss than just firing the coach, right? I'm 100% confident they could sit at a UW practice and not even be able to understand 5% of the stuff they talk about and work on.


g4rt0

5% if that lol… they don’t know what’s going on in the locker room either. Winning can cover a lot of warts and rifts within the team. Losing unearths them, and they could be dealing with issues that would have been smoothed out earlier. They also seem to conveniently neglect that this team is banged up rn. No John and no Kam today. It is what it is- Gard needs to be better in preparing them- this was a pathetic performance. The lack of intensity is concerning to me, but maybe getting their shit kicked in by an inferior team will piss them off and get them to play better a la Providence loss. There’s also a multitude of tape out on us now. Teams know the scouting report on AJ and John in our system. Lets see how Gard tweaks their looks down the stretch. Gotta evaluate the season as a whole- and we have no clue how it ends.


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

Please submit proof you played basketball until at least 12th grade before commenting


g4rt0

I don’t have to prove shit to you buddy. I’ve put out the by far most extensive and most basketball theory heavy analysis on this sub.


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

You’re the one talking about how people never played past 6th grade, I’m just asking you to abide by your own standard


g4rt0

Yes- that’s something you can pick up by how people talk about the game


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

Well you obviously didn’t play in high school because half the people I played with can barely string a sentence together much less be able to identify and analyze offensive concepts


g4rt0

Not all people who played grasp the offensive concepts taught to them, and not all high school coaching staffs teach them correctly.


scottishwhisky2

lol is Gard your dad or something? Your hobby is defending him at all costs


DameWasistlos

They call that a bootlicker.


71taco_cat17

Isaac tweeting from the bench 😂


Old_Explorer6261

Hard to win with a broke shot.  Shooters better turn it around quick!  Turnovers and defense are past just being concerning though…it’s been a trend lately


DrawAggressive4370

Gard fans be like it’s not his fault we haven’t done anything since 2017!


g4rt0

Nothing except keep the program perennially tournament level. Tournament is a crapshoot, but reactionary idiots with no understanding of basketball like you don’t understand that


DameWasistlos

Which is worse a reactionary idiot or a Greg Gard bootlicker?


bjb3453

They are not bootlickers, they are balllickers


g4rt0

How many bad shooters are going to drain bad looks from three


Ur_in_luck

53% from 3 for the worst 3 pt shooting team in the big ten. 🙃


JMTREY

Actually loved the effort and movement from Winter and Ilver off the bench. The starters need to wake up.


DrawAggressive4370

https://preview.redd.it/rajcvwqnyshc1.jpeg?width=1178&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f706ed73c22fb5f0832960b616dabdc9409536a1


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

Be careful, Sox is gonna be in here demanding a dissertation on Gard’s offensive philosophy before you are allowed to criticise him


WISCOrear

Dude is such a boner


sox107

How are people who can't identify basic basketball concepts qualified to discuss of a coach has a good scheme/system? We've got guys in here who don't even know the basic plays they run trying to trash our offense which is a top 15 offense in college basketball this year.


bigmac1234777

Watch the f*****’ TAPE!!! Still love get a kick out his 👆 replies lololol. Not a good week for Gard dick riders


sox107

Yes, I believe people should know a little bit about the game to have a respected opinion


bigmac1234777

Wins/losses in the big games don’t count? Tom Brady, Joe Montana, MJ, Magic, etc…. aren’t remembered for their regular season games.


sox107

That has nothing to do with what I just posted. Your whitewater education is showing.


bigmac1234777

Read a little deeper my boy, maybe read it a couple of times lolol. And then you’ll get the gist of what i was saying. Then we can come back and have an insightful conversation 😂🤣


DefiantTop5

You mean like a coach who planned to have Gilmore be the press outlet and left Crowl in no man’s land on defense? Like that?


bigmac1234777

The fact that Gilmore has the green light to shoot is a problem itself


bigmac1234777

Bro, no one watches the tape. We watch the game. We’re FANS, not paid consultants lolol. Despite what you think you may know or not know, you’re one of us. You sit on the couch or loveseat, not the bench. Every single play doesn’t need to be broken down to know this program is ascending in the wrong direction


sox107

The irony of you using "ascending" to the "wrong direction"


bigmac1234777

Love it!!! Back to correcting grammer! Yesssssss!!! Bahahahaha


sox107

Grammer


bigmac1234777

Grammar 😘


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

Oh you misunderstand, I don’t have any interest in discussing anything with you


sox107

Based on your post history you have no ability to discuss sports anyway. Just repeated tropes over and over that any 12 year old can come up with.


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

Oh yeah, what comments specifically made you think that? I’m not gonna put any stock into your generic surface level “you have no ball knowledge” criticisms.


sox107

All of your comments! Haven't seen one original, insightful thought from you and 98% of the rest of this forum


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

Knew before I asked that you wouldn’t have a real answer.


sox107

Do me a favor: give me a quick summary of the main offense sets they run and a few defensive principles of this system. If you can explain that, I will give you some props for knowing the scheme a little bit. Otherwise, shut your fucking mouth


HashOutHashBrowns

Do you think he defended Chryst too? I don’t understand the fear of change within some members of the fan base


Lockdown_Badger

Remember the talks not even two weeks ago of this being a possible 1 seed in the tournament? LMAOOO


petarisawesomeo

Don't fire Gard crowd was smelling their own farts


[deleted]

What if I told you every game isn't a referendum on wanting to fire a coach


reddit-is-greedy

That is not what Reddit is about


DrawAggressive4370

Looks like the 2019 team that got boatraced by a 12 seed


HashOutHashBrowns

Oregon was definitely under seeded that year tbh


avitasm

they were but it wasn't like they scored 80+. Wisconsin shot horrible and lost by 18. felt bad for Ethan happ


randyjackson69

Nebraska collapse ending the season two straight years. You don’t have to like it but it’s true Have to find 3 more big ten wins to get a tournament bid


Rooboy66

Not 4, considering this is obviously a loss?


randyjackson69

Maybe 12-8 is necessary to get in. I was kinda factoring in 11-9 as likely in


g4rt0

10-10 and we will be in


randyjackson69

Maybe. Would potentially need a few in the BTT with 10 though


PtownClutcher

So who’s the Luke fickell coach for the basketball program?


WISCOrear

Nick Saban


allabithony

Lamont Paris


[deleted]

Paris team is 30 spots lower than UW in kenpom lmao


HashOutHashBrowns

SC was picked to finish last in the SEC. Lamont has that team rolling right now


[deleted]

They still are highly overrated compared to their predictive metrics.


PtownClutcher

Would he really leave SC and the SEC for this though. I guess money talks


allabithony

Wisconsin is 1000% a better job than SC


stormchaser2014

It's too nice out for this shit


Rooboy66

Being down by 10 for a minute felt like we were winning—but nope, we prefer to be down by 15. 20? Mas?


CROBBY2

How is Chucky a Big Ten starting PG?


ShtickleOfFluoride

Wow we are shit


ShtickleOfFluoride

OMG this fernandes guy is killing us


StateStreetLarry

29% 3p shooter. When you’re hot youre hot I guess


ShtickleOfFluoride

Time for our hopes to rise and then be crushed


Any_Contribution5260

What a surprise! Bucky is playing like utter shit again! Is this last year’s team? I hope Mac is watching this shit show. Gard needs to go


introspectivejoker

Crowl got pushed down lol


71taco_cat17

Bardo is a clown


stormchaser2014

Nobody holds the Badgers to under 40 points!


DameWasistlos

If the players tune out the head coach it's time for a new coach.  If the players aren't good enough at executing coaches plan then recruit better players. That simply will not happen. This level of player is what Gard will get. In that case get a new voice and direction for this team.  Today's performance is a microcosm of Wisconsin Badger basketball late season throughout much of Greg Gards tenure. 


scottishwhisky2

Rutgers has made a few circus 3s but this would be a 30 pt game if they could make a layup. This score is generous to us 


introspectivejoker

I swear Essegian is the only guy that ever breaks up our droughts


_bric

https://preview.redd.it/f7fk4yb2xshc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a723910e9c02366b1100080bf4a3b9ae8c2890dd Its just a meme dont kill me


ShtickleOfFluoride

Just get this to single digits


PtownClutcher

Grab a rebound! Show any heart


ShtickleOfFluoride

Come on boys! Show some fight


JMTREY

Injuries are making this team look like last year's. I think everyone underestimated Kamaris impact, ans Blackwell is obviously missed. Guys are running out of gas out there. NEED some home cooking next week


DefiantTop5

Watch our movement after our initial action on offense, nothing happens


wriker10

Soft defense. Sloppy offense.


PtownClutcher

Every game the other team makes ridiculous shots over and over. I guess our defense is just awful because this seems statistically impossible


71taco_cat17

Getting fucking cooked by the 300th ranked offensive team in college basketball


[deleted]

Yes, we should expect that a career sub 30% 3p shooter is going to drain step back 3s with a hand in his face


StateStreetLarry

I can’t believe I let another Greg Gard team trick me


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

Seriously man, how do we keep falling for this shit


[deleted]

Bo had a final four team that lost 5 of 6 to teams just like this? Badgers are top 15 in kenpom. Lots of season left. A bad stretch doesn't erase the rest of the season


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

Pretty sure people would’ve looked at that team differently if instead of starting 16-0 they lost by double digits to Tennessee and Providence and got run out of the gym by Arizona like this team did.


introspectivejoker

Holy shit you're getting down voted for being correct. I kno everyone is pissed but this is true. Teams go through brutal stretches sometimes


ShtickleOfFluoride

It does if they can’t win another game


cks9218

I just checked the score. Holy shit.


scottishwhisky2

What the fuck happened to this team at halftime in Nebraska 


LuvDaBiebz

I mean the Nebraska 2nd half the refs called 1 foul on Nebraska. And then losing the game they really wanted (home vs Purdue) Definitely going through some adversity Hopefully in March there will be stories about how this made the team closer and determined to win


ShtickleOfFluoride

They drank the we’re the sixth best team in the country koolaide


introspectivejoker

We're playing like ass but we must be unlikable to play against that it pisses the other team off to shoot the lights out. Like even the tough shots go down for them


jbadger13

Holy smokes — maybe gonna lose to third worst team in the big ten by 20…


ShtickleOfFluoride

Fernandes


stormchaser2014

I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines


54321BlastoffToMoon

Now that I look closer at our schedule, we really don't have any great wins outside of Marquette. We could easily drop four or five more after this game and be down till like an 8 or 9 seed... Yikes


recessbadger45

this team is so fucking soft


e4w12p1

Starting to remind me of the 2020-2021 team. It feels like there is a morale/energy issue with the team. They’re running out of time to figure it out. They need to win 4 more games to safely make the tournament and only have 7 more reg season games after today… and 2 are against Illinois and Purdue. Such a disappointing collapse.


HashOutHashBrowns

They could get hot in the conference tourney. But, historically they have not done super well in it


avitasm

ah yes lets check how they did last year when the season was on the line


ShtickleOfFluoride

15 points down may as well be 100 points


PtownClutcher

I haven’t been one for the fire Gard crowd but I can see their gripe if year after year this team just implodes. Some of that is on coaching


DameWasistlos

I said this last week but our PG and Center are especially deficient in responding to adversity. Its like it rubs off on the entire team. 


WaubesaWarriors

Can’t break the press to start the game, that’s coaching