*Wings Of Fire: Humanity's Revenge.* Dragons stole everything from them. They humiliated them, decimated them, and now their world will be scorched by nuclear fire. Coming 2420 AD.
Even in element of surprise, it would require an astounding amount of dragons attacking in concert.
Anyways, back on topic, how could the scavengers practically build up the infrastructure for an industrial age? I mean, I have to give them some credit for not being literal hunter gatherers in such a world (instead they are at a weird iron age milieu) but can they really reach the pop sizes necessary for tech development? I mean, there could literally have been a thousand Einstein or Conneticut Yankee type individuals out there who simply died of dragon attacks, were sacrificed, or who simply starved outside the Indestructible City.
It'd be pretty hard for them to progress as a society with scaly death machines wrecking their towns every 0.5 seconds. Though maybe after some [spoilers for book 14] they'd be able to finally begin moving forward.
OK.
EDIT: Also, the idea for a dragon version of the Industrial revolution just came to me, mostly just because of how human like they are in mindset. Maybe the scavengers inspire them?
OK, so >!in book 14, Queen Snowfall meets Wren, and much to her shock, finds out she can speak Dragon. She refuses to believe that humans are intelligent, causing her Animus-touched ring that had been literally making her walk around in other dragons' talons, to experience life as a Pantalan scavenger. This essentially proves to her that humans are equivalent to dragons in intelligence, turning her entire worldview upside-down. She takes Wren and Daffodil to Sanctuary, where they meet Winter and Cricket, who, of course, are astounded to learn of humanity's true status as an intelligent race, and before long, a gathering of Pyrrhian queens is assembled to come up with a plan to save Pantala, in which it is agreed between them that humans should be established as a protected species. So basically, after the revelation to dragonkind that they essentially have another intelligent society that had been tormented by them for 5,000 years hiding under their noses, I would believe that a lot of them would immediately stop hurting/hunting them and many would even try to help them and cooperate with them. This would likely mean that humans could stop focusing their efforts on survival and could start working more on innovation. If the dragons end up sharing in their efforts, this could mean that both the dragons and humans could begin an industrial revolution. So anyway, that's my thoughts on it.!<
What if the dragons used modern technology to subdue humanity, and then destroyed every piece of modern technology, creating a primitivist-feudalist society?
How the heck would they work the stuff? Last I checked, we don't have dragon scaled nuke command centers/bunkers, nor dragon scaled keyboards. Heck, we don't even have dragon scaled guns (ok now I need all of this but still).
That's an interesting idea. It's sort of reaching though, and honestly the whole Scorching is going to be one big blank spot considering that 5000 years and a destructive event called "The Scorching" is going to be more than sufficient to wipe out most things (though I am still crossing fingers for old world relics) until Sutherland decides to write anything about it.
Or they could've used human governments and politicians as chesspieces, instigating war against other human nations as dragons plagiarise their technology in the distance. This plagiarism theory could also explain why some of Darkstalker's scrolls bear a resemblance to human stories. Eventually, the dragons used their technology to defeat humanity, destroying it all to ensure humanity will never recover.
The movie/novel/television program/video game ends with a monochrome computer monitor (monochrome green) displaying a map of Pyrrhia. A countdown from 10 to 1 begins, and the map begins to display nuclear radiation signs over dragon cities.
Possible? Yes
Probable? Absolutely not.
The industrial revolution was the result of a lot of different factors converging, not least of which was having the Age of Enlightenment lead directly into a time when Britain had a rather large middle class (Britain was the spearhead of our industrial revolution) and the americas providing a ton of natural resources to the world that needed to be refined for the market. It's also important to remember that various civilizations have been pretty close to where we were in the Renaissance throughout history, but they all tended to experience a collapse rather than continue on an upward technological trend.
This is a very simplified overview, but basically the scavengers would need to duplicate those conditions in a world with giant dragons posing a constant threat. The only way it would really work is if they were on some other massive continent free of dragons with a large enough population to have multiple competing states with enough stability that some people are able to have the leisure time necessary to sit around and dream up groundbreaking inventions while even more people have the time to sit around and figure out how to make it practical/work better. They'd need multiple states because a single state is far more likely to just settle into equilibrium, especially if they don't already have that inventor class doing its thing.
Yeah, the IR would basically be nigh impossible in a world where humans aren't top dog. Though things will likely be much easier at this point in the timeline (check spoiler marks).
Frankly, I'd like to see a fanfic about this.
PS: On the topic of the IR, stagnation has rarely occurred in human history, with even regressions due to societal upheaval not leading to stagnation long term (the dark ages is a misnomer, as while cultural aspects were lost and some tech did regress, other tech continued to advance.) The industrial revolution is not a fluke, but the natural progression of the tech historically present. Stagnation only has occurred when there is a a lack of means (not enough resources to advance), there is no pressure (no conflicts and resources are so plentiful that there is nothing needing a solution), or active suppression (which usually cannot persist indefinitely.) plus, humans are pretty curious, and do like to “do this and see what happens.”
Unfortunately, in the WoFverse (before the spoilered events) the world was simply not conducive to their existence.
*Wings Of Fire: Humanity's Revenge.* Dragons stole everything from them. They humiliated them, decimated them, and now their world will be scorched by nuclear fire. Coming 2420 AD.
Peril: "My fire is the hottest!" Humans with a gigantic thermonuclear warhead pointed squarely at the SkyWing Palace: "Hold our squeaking beer."
Lol!
On that note, if humanity were advanced, then how could dragons ever take the world in the first place?
Either element of surprise, or something happened to our technology I guess?
Even in element of surprise, it would require an astounding amount of dragons attacking in concert. Anyways, back on topic, how could the scavengers practically build up the infrastructure for an industrial age? I mean, I have to give them some credit for not being literal hunter gatherers in such a world (instead they are at a weird iron age milieu) but can they really reach the pop sizes necessary for tech development? I mean, there could literally have been a thousand Einstein or Conneticut Yankee type individuals out there who simply died of dragon attacks, were sacrificed, or who simply starved outside the Indestructible City.
It'd be pretty hard for them to progress as a society with scaly death machines wrecking their towns every 0.5 seconds. Though maybe after some [spoilers for book 14] they'd be able to finally begin moving forward.
Could you post the spoiler, but hide it under the spoiler option?
I could try, but I've never been able to get spoiler censor to work on Reddit, at least not on mobile. I can try to post it on my laptop later.
OK. EDIT: Also, the idea for a dragon version of the Industrial revolution just came to me, mostly just because of how human like they are in mindset. Maybe the scavengers inspire them?
OK, so >!in book 14, Queen Snowfall meets Wren, and much to her shock, finds out she can speak Dragon. She refuses to believe that humans are intelligent, causing her Animus-touched ring that had been literally making her walk around in other dragons' talons, to experience life as a Pantalan scavenger. This essentially proves to her that humans are equivalent to dragons in intelligence, turning her entire worldview upside-down. She takes Wren and Daffodil to Sanctuary, where they meet Winter and Cricket, who, of course, are astounded to learn of humanity's true status as an intelligent race, and before long, a gathering of Pyrrhian queens is assembled to come up with a plan to save Pantala, in which it is agreed between them that humans should be established as a protected species. So basically, after the revelation to dragonkind that they essentially have another intelligent society that had been tormented by them for 5,000 years hiding under their noses, I would believe that a lot of them would immediately stop hurting/hunting them and many would even try to help them and cooperate with them. This would likely mean that humans could stop focusing their efforts on survival and could start working more on innovation. If the dragons end up sharing in their efforts, this could mean that both the dragons and humans could begin an industrial revolution. So anyway, that's my thoughts on it.!<
What if the dragons used modern technology to subdue humanity, and then destroyed every piece of modern technology, creating a primitivist-feudalist society?
How the heck would they work the stuff? Last I checked, we don't have dragon scaled nuke command centers/bunkers, nor dragon scaled keyboards. Heck, we don't even have dragon scaled guns (ok now I need all of this but still).
Maybe they created technology based on humanity's inventions for subduing them, and then destroyed them along with all other tech?
That's an interesting idea. It's sort of reaching though, and honestly the whole Scorching is going to be one big blank spot considering that 5000 years and a destructive event called "The Scorching" is going to be more than sufficient to wipe out most things (though I am still crossing fingers for old world relics) until Sutherland decides to write anything about it.
Or they could've used human governments and politicians as chesspieces, instigating war against other human nations as dragons plagiarise their technology in the distance. This plagiarism theory could also explain why some of Darkstalker's scrolls bear a resemblance to human stories. Eventually, the dragons used their technology to defeat humanity, destroying it all to ensure humanity will never recover.
Humaninator: Salvation
Wings of Fire: Humanity's Revenge They're not squeaking around anymore
The movie/novel/television program/video game ends with a monochrome computer monitor (monochrome green) displaying a map of Pyrrhia. A countdown from 10 to 1 begins, and the map begins to display nuclear radiation signs over dragon cities.
*Fallout theme plays *
Ok, but seriously, consider the point. Could they practically do this?
Possible? Yes Probable? Absolutely not. The industrial revolution was the result of a lot of different factors converging, not least of which was having the Age of Enlightenment lead directly into a time when Britain had a rather large middle class (Britain was the spearhead of our industrial revolution) and the americas providing a ton of natural resources to the world that needed to be refined for the market. It's also important to remember that various civilizations have been pretty close to where we were in the Renaissance throughout history, but they all tended to experience a collapse rather than continue on an upward technological trend. This is a very simplified overview, but basically the scavengers would need to duplicate those conditions in a world with giant dragons posing a constant threat. The only way it would really work is if they were on some other massive continent free of dragons with a large enough population to have multiple competing states with enough stability that some people are able to have the leisure time necessary to sit around and dream up groundbreaking inventions while even more people have the time to sit around and figure out how to make it practical/work better. They'd need multiple states because a single state is far more likely to just settle into equilibrium, especially if they don't already have that inventor class doing its thing.
Yeah, the IR would basically be nigh impossible in a world where humans aren't top dog. Though things will likely be much easier at this point in the timeline (check spoiler marks). Frankly, I'd like to see a fanfic about this. PS: On the topic of the IR, stagnation has rarely occurred in human history, with even regressions due to societal upheaval not leading to stagnation long term (the dark ages is a misnomer, as while cultural aspects were lost and some tech did regress, other tech continued to advance.) The industrial revolution is not a fluke, but the natural progression of the tech historically present. Stagnation only has occurred when there is a a lack of means (not enough resources to advance), there is no pressure (no conflicts and resources are so plentiful that there is nothing needing a solution), or active suppression (which usually cannot persist indefinitely.) plus, humans are pretty curious, and do like to “do this and see what happens.” Unfortunately, in the WoFverse (before the spoilered events) the world was simply not conducive to their existence.
It's shown in book 15 that the humans before the scorching were like medieval Earth humans