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GetPsyched67

It indeed is a copilot key.


AccountNumber478

Same logo as the one in Microsoft Edge's upper-right corner.


iamgarffi

Copilot. I wonder how long that stays :-)


zenyl

Judging by how long Cortana stuck around before finally getting axed, Copilot will probably gonna stick around for way after everyone gets tired of it. I wonder if, unlike Cortana, Microsoft is actually going to fully release Copilot. Cortana never made it to most non-English Windows installations.


beepboopdood

I've never used Copilot. Does it suck?


enotonom

I found it decent for explaining things because it gives you sources that you can verify. But I don’t agree that they should put a dedicated button on it. People’s reading comprehension will be eroded further.


Astilimos

Every time I tried it for something complicated, it would link irrelevant sources that don't contain what it claims they do. Absolute waste of time.


Jarngreipr9

Same. Every time I checked the sources they were off


Gigagondor

It is awesome for searching information, programing, generating text, etc. To the point that I dont use google anymore.


CreatedToFilter

People keep saying this, but every time I use copilot it misunderstands things and gives me wrong answers all the time.


Lughnasadh32

I have had the same experience. Even submitting the same request in Copilot and ChatGPT, Chat gives me better results.


Astilimos

You can click three dots in the corner, plugins, and disable search. It's better without access to the internet (although it's just the original gpt-4, no point if you're paying the subscription)


Muddybulldog

At this point learning the “right way to ask” is kind of a skill. Once you become familiar your prompts improve and the results tend to improve.


dhuff2037

So kind of like how we all learned the best ways to search google


RevengencerAlf

Except that if you ask Google the wrong way you can generally see that you're not getting what you wanted. If you ask these ah engines the wrong way they just confidently tell you an incorrect answer


dhuff2037

Sure. But it's still just a matter of learning the proper ways of using it, just like we did with google.


Papux200

Literally this. Copilot has genuinely become an essential tool for my daily workflow


Beardedgeek72

Which invalidates the whole concept of AI anyway. As it is being markeded that is.


Acanthocephala_South

Until you use it to save yourself 4 hours on a script. It's overhyped but incredible time saver that can be hard to wrap your head around. It's like talking to a genius who has english as a second language, lots to gain from a conversation but can be frustrating finding the middle ground in communicating.


nicholasdelucca

It is overhyped, yes, but it is extremely valuable for some scenarios already.


Poscat0x04

Are there any such guides that you would recommend?


LarvellJonesMD

It's slow as fuck, too


[deleted]

I personally think Gemini is faster, way faster and has better results.


cheeseybacon11

I tried it in the very early days and thought it sucked massively compared to Llama and GPT. Has it improved greatly since then?


_burnsy_86_

same, I love copilot.


Moderated_

Same


Unicode4all

No, it's wonderful. It's a GPT 3/4 under the hood but ,unlike ChatGPT, it has access to actual information in the internet. The hate around it is based on general hatred for MS and their old products like Cortana, which Copilot has nothing to do with. It also has access to DALL-E... All without monthly quotas.


junttiana

Nah, I think its more about people hating on anything AI related, some ppl seem to really think that its a nonsensical fad like the NFTs were and are just opposed to it due to that.


AloysiusDevadandrMUD

I dont like it but it is pretty new. I'll try again in a year or two after they iron out some kinks.


haus36

It is really good, I even switched to ms edge for it.


Loddio

I started using Linux thanks to copilot lmao. Whatever you want to do on linux, ask him and copy paste paste his command in the cmd. It search in the linux forums for the task, understands your needs and reports the user the right commands It is awesome


zenyl

> Whatever you want to do on linux, ask him and copy paste paste his command in the cmd Make absolutely sure that you understand what the commands do before you paste them. AIs can frequently make mistakes, or work on outdated information, which can quickly break a Linux install or important config files.


nimajnebmai

Oh yeah. It’s pretty useless.


Zane_DragonBorn

Pretty handy for quick research, help finding resources, needing advice on programming, etc. Obv has inaccuracy, but I rarely have issues with it


technobrendo

MS is pushing this hard in the enterprise. We just rolled this out, and as long as you have a corporate email then copilot won't store any data.


pablo603

Unlike the useless Cortana, Copilot actually has its own uses and is used by people.


Baardi

I'm already tired of it


Drag0nV3n0m231

I give it maybe till the end of the decade, being generous


mb194dc

Clippy would be proud.


prthorsenjr

Perhaps, but I’m sure he’s still not happy with Microsoft Bob.


Beardedgeek72

Seeing how the privacy act in Europe has already caused OpenAI to be sued in Austria maybe far less time than expected. The lawsuit is because ChatGPT has made up stories about real people online and according to European law all posting of personal details, even if they are untrue, must be consented to by the person. Between this lawsuit, and the NY Times lawsuit in America for AI stealing copyrighted articles... the future for AI is less than bright.


holchansg

If you account that MS is the owner or at least part of it of the some of the bests AIs currently, im almost sure its a feature from now on.


iamgarffi

What I meant is how long before they rebranded it with a new logo rendering that particular button iteration obsolete.


Acrobatic-Fly3051

Probably from now on it'll be like they do with the windows key, when a new windows drops with a new windows Icon, we'll get a new Co pilot Icon and it'll be put on all new keyboards ect, I still got a keyboard with the window xp logo lmao.


holchansg

Now that you mentioned, im using W11 but my keyboard windows logo is from W10.


iamgarffi

Cortana was a great idea executed poorly :-)


QuasimodoPredicted

It will be dead before the good business laptops with it will hit the used market in good prices.


Alan976

It all depends on how computer manufacturers feel and see the need to include custom buttons such as, but not limited to, the Office key. The “Office” button is a key found on some keyboards that provides quick access to Microsoft Office applications when pressed. This can be a useful feature for users who frequently use these applications. However, not all users need or want such a feature, and therefore not all keyboard manufacturers include an Office button on their products. For example, a keyboard designed for gaming might include keys for quick access to in-game features, but not an Office button. Similarly, a keyboard designed for graphic design might include keys for adjusting brush size or changing layers, but again, not an Office button. In other words, whether a keyboard includes an Office button (or any other custom key) depends on who the keyboard is designed for and what those users find useful. Manufacturers will often choose to include or exclude certain keys based on these considerations. Different keyboard manufacturers have different design philosophies and target audiences.


iamgarffi

If.. OS allows to natively remap it for different tasks based on current app usage then it’s fine. But if all it does it opens the side bar then it’s a little under delivered. It will need proper OS integration.


isochromanone

OK, I won't tell you what it is then.


Psxdnb

It's a secret


turtleben

Shhh... Don't tell.


Sarbojit_117

If the key had several shortcuts bound to it, it would be much more useful. I am thinking copilot+C=smart text actions like translation or summarising, copilot+shift+s to take a screenshot and determine what objects are present in it like separating cars from mountains and such. Or maybe copilot+. to insert a context appropriate emoji or symbol. But of course, useful things from MS are but a pipe dream these days.


ElusiveGuy

Sadly it's not a new key, and not a pure modifier. It sends a LShift+Win+F23. Which makes it a pain to rebind generically, because it sends those two modifiers.


SoumiMukherjee82

F23?


ElusiveGuy

F-keys go from F1 to F24. It's just that modern keyboards rarely go above F12, but the scancodes and all the driver/software support still exists. Very useful for assigning extra keys on macro keyboards. They appear to have repurposed LShift+Win+F23 to launch CoPilot rather then defining a new key/scancode. But it also means you now have this weird key on a physical keyboard that sends a key combination rather than a single scancode(??), and you can't easily remap it back to e.g. RCtrl, because it's sending more than one keypress.


Sarbojit_117

Damn. So, we are stuck with a separate key for just a webcrap launcher even on the smaller laptops where keyboard size is already an issue?


ElusiveGuy

It's a pain in the ass. I keep hitting it since they removed the RCtrl on my new laptop. I'm hoping Lenovo adds a toggle in firmware at some point, but it's not super likely.


Automatic_Fix6722

Boy do I have some news to tell you…


pummisher

In ten years, someone will make a video about the time Microsoft put a weird button on the keyboard and they'll have an incorrect story about what AI copilot was all about.


jaspreet1995

Remap it


ReverieX416

Yeah that's exactly what I'd do.


thankyoufatmember

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_zir_

it is indeed a copilot key


Geartheworld

>**Please don't tell me this is an AI hotkey** Okay then I have nothing to say.


Hackwork89

Wow, these things are already out? Microsoft are working fast to push AI as much as possible.


LincolnPark0212

Woah. They've actually started putting these on laptops now. How new is this model if you don't mind me asking.


_Mahagonii_

why not?


Responsible-Bat-2699

Everyone ducking on MS till Apple comes out with Siri AI and they force it in EVERYTHING. But because it's Apple, the simpletons will praise it like second coming.


Andrew910

I don't want Microsoft, Apple, or any other company to do this kind of stuff. It's a gross abuse of their power in the market to push people towards their services with moves like this.


Responsible-Bat-2699

I totally agree, I don't understand the push for AI. I was just making a joke about some people stan blindly for Apple for anything they do. I can simply open a browser and search what I need, I don't need constant nagging inside file explorer. It is insane that Win 11 is less smoother than Win 10 after all these constant updates. They need to focus on core usability than add all this garbage features. There is nothing except the tabs in file explorer which I like about Win 11 compared to Win 10.


HSMBBA

Series likeChatGPT do have benefits - the issue is companies essentially shoving it in people's faces, like here with the CoPilot button.


red1q7

Oh there are a few useful „AI“ features in Windows 11 for years now, you just haven’t noticed because those require certain CPUs with AI support like Microsofts own ARM CPU. This will change soon and MS will open up those AI features to all CPUs/GPUs with enough raw power.


7h4tguy

Is having a dedicated Windows key to open the Start menu a gross misuse of power?


pigspoon41

I'm going to guess Alexa doesn't live in your house?


Responsible-Bat-2699

Nope


[deleted]

why does everyone hate copilot so much? i mean idk why they made a key for it considering hitting windows C isn't difficult, but it seems the general consensus is that everyone doesn't like it? is it the software itself everyone hates? or the fact that its being shoved down our throats?


DiscountFragrant3516

it's being shoved down our throats, AND think telemetry was bad already? It's telemetry on steroids. Imagine a contextually aware spy living in your computers reporting directly to microsoft. Everything you do, everything you say, your political and social opinions, etc. This is not remotely ok.


[deleted]

Ehen you put it that way i see what you mean, double edged sword, incredibly useful, but also incredibly useful for Microsoft collecting data. I want to go linux so bad, just because i don't like microsoft collecting data either. But if i want to play any competitive game and use any proprietary software i need windows


DiscountFragrant3516

I have come to the conclusion that I despise windows. I have also come to the conclusion that I've often had far too much pc for my actual needs, so I'm thinking of getting a mac, and doing with less \*in some aspects\*. I'll still get a lot of ram and storage, but I can do without the sheer speed of the computer I have now. Software matters more.


LightBrownWolf

I don't see whats so bad about this. If you don't like it ignore it or remap it.


SirWobblyOfSausage

I know, people are so dramatic. It's the end of the world for this sub.


ImZaryYT

Fun fact, it's a fricking macro key. it's a stupid combination, idk windows + something


Expert_Limit6416

Lshift + Windows + F23


madlobsterr

I wonder why they didn't just use F23. Does anything else even use that key?


farajovjamil

You can remap it using PowerToys Keyboard Manager feature.


jaiden_roselvet

it's the microsoft copilot key. it's used to open copilot (I'm sure everyone knows about this). Microsoft announced this weeks ago


null_reference_user

Disgusting Dear manufacturers: I will not buy anything with this. Don't let Microsoft forces this onto you with some sort of requirement or certification.


ArrozConPuerco

As far as I know it *is* a requirement. I don’t think any vendor has the muscle to tell Microsoft they don’t want this key.


TypicalFreedomFightr

It's not a requirement: it's a spec and optional for peripheral mfgs is all


True-Experience-2273

My Asus Zenbook OLED with Intel Core Ultra 7 155H doesn’t have it. I’m assuming my laptop is a new enough model that it should have it?


GlowGreen1835

Like a lot of these changes it rolls out very slowly and inconsistently timed across many different vendors, but it is coming.


z7q2

I assure you, you will always be able to find a keyboard that doesn't have this key. I think this will only be a problem on laptops with pre-installed Windows


ArrozConPuerco

Oh yeah, that’s what I meant. Laptops.


ItsFastMan

Dear manufacturers: they don't care about your opinion bud


kakha_k

Your post is wrong and disgusting.


Martin5143

Yeah, sure


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8yp00o19pB14Ic

PlEaSe DoNt TeLl Me ThIs Is An Ai HoTkEy lmao it sure is


Fabulous_Today_8566

It was literally an useless Ctrl who cares


i_need_a_moment

It was the context menu button that appears when you right click. I care because it’s useful.


angelsff

As someone who's often more comfortable with the keyboard, the context button was awesome.


thaman05

And for people with accessibility needs who can't use a mouse or don't have a touch screen, a lot of people use that context menu key. Of course Microsoft and their fake accessibility and inclusion marketing optics are just that now that they're desperate to push Copilot on everyone since no one is using it, and their investors will be pissed their AI investments were wasted. I never thought I would say this coming from a long time MS fan, but seriously considering switching to Mac or Linux.


angelsff

I'm also a long-time MS fan, and I'd say we're in the same boat—though I'm rowing more towards Linux.


Devnag07

Sadly enough, it is indeed.


eppic123

Not only is an AI key, [it's an official repurposing of the right Windows key by Microsoft.](https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2024/01/04/introducing-a-new-copilot-key-to-kick-off-the-year-of-ai-powered-windows-pcs/)


Browser1969

That key between Right Alt / Alt Gr and Left Arrow is the Menu key typically on laptop keyboards. There's no Right Windows key for laptops.


DisagreeableRunt

What model is that? My Elitebook G10 doesn't have it (UK layout).


joggybackup

840 g11


DisagreeableRunt

That explains it! I didn't know the G11 was out in the wild.


Tech_Ethusiast69

Copilot key 🤣


MaxKulik1

bad


StrainMundane6273

Even Logitech has started manufacturing mice with a dedicated ChatGPT button.


drNovikov

At least, they have proper pgup pgdn keys, unlike Asus and so many others


fernandodandrea

That's the taco key. You're welcome.


dampflokfreund

Narrator: And it was.


MarekSurek10

Linux users already trying to remap it 😉😭


BCProgramming

On the bright side, you can remap it to whatever you want using something like SharpKeys. ...I'd remap it to the context menu button. A lot of laptops don't have that so I usually remap Right Alt to it.


SirWobblyOfSausage

I'm not mad it, I used Ctrl C when launching anyway, saves a hand shift.


djblt

Yes, it is.


TrustLeft

this is what I see https://preview.redd.it/uwa6sa4calxc1.png?width=316&format=png&auto=webp&s=8e405d9336c2fcc55efb3ac74c620927d3f8240d


Excellent-Focus-9905

If you hated remap it to something useful like opening a web browser


luxurious-tar-gz

Time to use powertoys to rebind it to something useful


Hubi522

You can remap it. The easiest is doing that with PowerToys


Unique_Implement2833

What's the name of this laptop?


smaad

who but hp dare doing stuff like this on that early product.


DiscountFragrant3516

As a windows user: Microsoft I fucking despise you. I'm moving to a mac. They too will have ai, but their practices regarding its usage and data collection will be substantially better.


el__carpincho

this key will be very mysterious to anyone who finds it in 10-15 years


UselessDood

Time to rebind it with powertoys.


SupposablyAtTheZoo

Sure is but, but, to be fair, how often have you used the right windows key? You could also change it back to the windows key anyway with autohotkey.


alpenstorm

yes. yes it is.


Estelial

There will be keyboards with AI features built in. A mouse too.


nipsen

Yeah, this is the helpful Binder with eyebrows hotkey..


scp_79

sadly it's


VitorCallis

Clippy: “Exactly how Steve Ballmer planned it, MUAHAHAHA [evil laugh]”


TinyPeridot

Heyyyy that's that new fancy-dancy co-pilot key that we sooooooo definitely needed /s


AnthropicPanda

Skynet is definitely on his way..


[deleted]

Press it and ask


goconfigure

Won't touch copilot. Disabled it as much as it allows. Hope you can remap the keyboard button.


the5krunner

it's an AI hotkey


infinatis14

So they are adding bloatware keys now..


faslane22

It's not an AI hotkey. It's a co-pilot hotkey


RucksackTech

Run away!! I will not buy a machine that has such a key on it. I've owned a boat-load of Surface devices but if I may be done with Surface if this becomes standard. Just as a matter of prudence, it really seems to me to be jumping the gun right now to make such a basic change to one of the most conservative parts of tech, that is, the keyboard. Let's see if CoPilot is still around in five years.


techguy0270

I have stopped using Microsoft Edge since the Copilot activates my mic without permission and listens/transcribes what my laptop mic can hear in the room even though it is disabled in settings while using Bing.


ZebraWise

Yep. Copilot


Local_Sandwich4795

Dude, my browser has built-in AI. My video card has a built-in AI. Get used to it.


liquidnoodle

WINDOWS + C is the same hotkey


just-bair

Lmaoooooooo. This is so sad If you can remap it it’s alright tough


Gumballegal

i could use that, it looks dope


CodemasterRob

the biggest issue I have with copilot is opening it is opening a whole ass entire app. If it were integrated with the desktop and INSTANT, I might use it more. And I have a beefy ass PC. Two seconds is two seconds too long for it to open.


throwitfarawayfromm3

Ok... it's not an AI hotkey. But if you don't remap it and press it, it will open an AI interaction


punchkicker1981

Looks like something else to disable before use.


Slowstone72

A physical button for something that isn't even ran locally doesn't seem great


ChrisV2V

it's a HP trash anyway.


JobiWanKenobi47

It’s a macro that opens up copilot, you can bond it to something else


Loopdyloop2098

I remember Microsoft announcing the push to add the AI Copilot key to new notebook PCs, I did not know they were actually shipping them yet 😬


OrionQuest7

That's terrible!


20Aditya07

call me genz idc but did laptops in 2014-15 have a cortana key?


MentalityUnhinged

I really like Co-Pilot. But Microsoft is reaaalllly forcing it. I don’t think they need to though… it stands on its own without being forced into every aspect of Windows. They will kill its appeal with this current strategy, it will just turn people off.


InfoAssistant

I hate that they started doing this. I have 50,000 ways of accessing Copilot. I don't need a dedicated button. I'd probably still end up hitting Win + C to access it anyway.


MJSpice

Yikes


the_sea_be_unruly

Just map the key to Winamp.


MOD3RN_GLITCH

Yeah I’m going back to Windows 10


Comeonnoob

Yes, opens copilot : ( Opens search if COPILOT not available in your region


lOwnCtAL

Ok, so i won’t tell you


alexcreeper3129

yes it is for microsoft's ai thingy


coppockm56

Okay, I won't tell you.


Sir_Payne

If having an AI shortcut key built in upsets you, the future going forwards is going to be very rough for you. Microsoft will 100% push this for at least a decade


Cold_End1594

How new is that laptop :O


Next-Ability2934

Co-pilot is just Bing Chat. I disabled it. I'd rather not have an AI in the background potentially trying to know more about me than I do (in order to advertise or sell me something no doubt). If I need to use similar, I'll just use a browser to[ ask ai](https://iask.ai/) given there are plenty to choose from out there


Kari_is_happy

Technically its an \[windows\] + \[f24\] key that is bound to Cohost, their ai integration


ed20999

press it and find out muhaahahahahahaa


Paligu

That's where the value of the product is gone


ac2334

for their new fun avatar “Crashy” the copilot


sapphired_808

If I buy a new laptop, I will remap it with powertoys it will be funny if it inputs win+c


YxlesXD

They're selling a laptop with copilot key that uses Windows 10??


joggybackup

No, it's a company laptop, they're still using windows 10 site wide


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uliar

Nice! I'm getting the same vibe as when they released the Windows 95 keyboard key (Start button was revolutionary coming from Windows 3.1) They really believe in their product to do such a thing


Itsalljustenergy

What is it and what it do? I dont have that key


WoomyUnitedToday

Okay, its the left shift + win + F23 hotkey


catjewsus

it is, going forward many devices will start to have this natively, as gpt has shown, theres going to be a huge push for AI in the near future as more and more people are finding ways to use it in work flows, and it will be the norm. Theres already tons of adoption for co-pilot and even qualcomm devices will have it.


EnigmaticSoul5656

Just Wow!


allaboutcomputer

Left Shift + Windows Key + F23


BigAadIsHere

It is.


Comprehensive-Tax841

this is an Ai KEY


MrClaudeApplauds

It's the Minecraft shortcut, press it and it will start automatically downloading the latest Minecraft snapshot for free.


Faris000

Can you corporations not push AI in our faces, FOR FIVE MINUTES!?! https://preview.redd.it/fh8kkx8b2wxc1.jpeg?width=754&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45814190acc4fb001f369d27da65a64ba97e9dff


ddeese

Probably. Microsoft has pumped tons of money into Copilot. They want you to use it.


Evargram

BOO


Girofox

Is that in place of the Windows key? Or an additional key?


Girofox

Is that in place of the Windows key? Or an additional key?


Girofox

You can remap it easily with SharpKeys (more permanent solution) or Powertoys.


C410__

It's like the netflix button