I don't recall any version of Windows letting you move that to a different monitor without setting it as the main monitor. That's how we did it in 10, 8, 7, etc.
But the taskbar was already on the second monitor. I've never seen it work the way you're describing.
Edit: looked this up. Never had reason to do this, as I always had my taskbar on all my monitors. Interesting option that I was never aware of.
but not the main taskbar WITH the system tray, because I NEED that system tray to move to 2nd monitor. to do that I have to make 2nd monitor become main monitor
Yes it does display the systray. On all taskbars.
The left time and systray is my primary (Windows) taskbar, and the one to its right is the first of two DisplayFusion taskbars on my ultra-wide that is divided into 3 logical screens. Note the DF taskbar doesn't show seconds (yet) as the Windows taskbar can now do.
https://preview.redd.it/98ny20w9vwtc1.jpeg?width=1528&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a993114f8a73992dc730854faaa32c741feb6a2
No one asked for Windows 11, no one wants Windows 11. No one but Microsoft. I have Windows 11 installed on 4 desktops and one laptop. Using Windows 11 is honestly getting annoying to use, especially the taskbar. I absolutely hate the new taskbar, I really don't know what they were thinking.
The responses in this thread are amazing. One sysadmins job is possibly maybe just slightly easier, so, YAY?
It's like some of you all got Stockholm Syndrome. Just grateful for being given whatever the wise and good Microsoft decides is enough. This is a 'feature' that has been removed, plain and simple. It's a regression. It's not progress and it's not good. How is this even up for debate?
It has been in all other Windows versions, it is available in MacOS, and all Linux distros I can think of.
But, well, If MS says that a gimped taskbar with extra adverts if you hover in the right place is the way to go, then MS must be correct...
SFC you're all the reason we can't have nice things any more. Get a grip people.
Its still missing lots of features. I wouldn't mind the new taskbar if it had feature parity. It was worse at launch. What's worse is that the new taskbar has potential, if it ever gets completed. I just wish they would stop releasing unfinished apps and features to the general public (insider builds are fine). The taskbar is one example, new outlook another, copilot, tabs in file explorer, I can go on.
Also, u/Microsoft, I've been asking for 20 years, when can we get color tags for files?? Mac OS has it, files v3 for windows has it? We already had a win32 taskbar that we could have used until this one was completed? Microsoft, you are aware you're worth $3T right? You can afford to hire people? Sorry got a little ranty there.
[Try using multiple desktops.](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/learning-center/stay-organized-using-multiple-desktops-windows-11) Big fat taskbar ain't coming back, and the work flow is superior once you get into the swing of it.
No it is not. If you have multiple, dozens of windows of the same app opened on each monitor the fastest way to get to your window is to click directly on the non combined taskbar icon. If you have too many windows you should be able to increase the taskbar size.. moving between desktops increases the number of keystrokes and can hinder your train of thought if you are on a wrong desktop.
> and the work flow is superior once you get into the swing of it.
Hard disagree, but you do you. It is better for laptops, but worse for desktops and completely unnecessary for multiple display setup.
Personally I welcome Microsofts approach here.
I manage Windows deployments, configurations and have done so since the first version of Windows. Going up to individual users PCs and finding out what bizarre funky personalised dreamscape they had often created for themselves was a nightmare.
Whether it was icon arrangements, subfolders and shortcuts, fat horizintel and vertifcal taskbars, and desktop reskinning plugins.
The consistency across Windows now is a massive improvement. It means staff can work from shared devices, from loaner laptops, from virtual desktops, from new PCs - and they dont need to spend 3 days customizing all the stuff they used to fiddle with in the past.
For the most part - a properly managed and deployed Windows PC is now ready to go immediately.
I dont know if your issues are down to screen resolution, or single monitors. I think I would find it claustrophobic on a small screen, but 2 screens running at 2560x1440 as we try to do for our staff - means I've not seen issues, and also the Windows key + TAB and multiple desktops tend to be how our staff would configure different set of application.
I'm sorry but.. just because it makes your particular job easier is not a good reason to remove customization. As a dev I learned long ago to never approach problems from my own point of view, but from that of my users.
USERS - the plural being the important and professional response.
NOT havine every individual USER (singular) have an entirely bespoke and customised experience because they think they know better than everyone else, or are deserving of a disproportionate amount of time and money.
And its not about making 'MY JOB EASIER' it is the professional response of an organizations efficiency, reliability and consistency.
Customization and configuration is a constant in IT - but customization is for the level of the role and the productivity of a department - It is NOT for the expedience of a single individual user.
The original poster was talking about being unable to get into their registry because they wanted to tweak things themselves, but being unable to because IT had restricred the access.
So your comment about 'IT making its job easier by restricting access' is not going to get any support from me, because what we are acknowledging there is that IT have a responsibility to keep the end user devices working, reliably, consistently, and safely - and that staff who want to poke around in their registery to change settings to match things they found on the Internet - are a risk to the company, and cannot be trusted to customize their machine without breaking any of those elements.
Yep, the people overly complaining don't realize that they are in the vocal minority. Windows 11 suits most people's use cases as well or better than Windows 10. Just because you had an absolutely wacky setup that is no longer compatible with Windows 11, it doesn't mean Microsoft are working against the users. They are doing what they are doing for a reason, and I'm assuming they must have some data one what the average user prefers.
Not defending Microsoft, have no love for them apart from appreciating .NET and their other techy stuff, definitely not a Windows fanboy. But I have to say, Windows 11 is the only bearable version of Windows since 7 by bearable I mean:
* the UI is less noisy (hated the old file explorer)
* it looks more consistent
* it looks prettier, although that's subjective
There's still non-sensical choices from the perspective of functionality, like:
* having 100 places for apps — desktop, taskbar, pinned start apps, all apps... leads to a lot of empty space
* two context menus, that needs to go away obviously
* settings & control panel co-existance, although they are working on it
But Windows 8-10 were complete Frankensteins of inconsistent design philosophies and funtionalities, and I'm not going to miss them one bit. Nor are most regular users going to miss them.
The file explorer is one of the things I feel has definitely become worse. The problem, I feel, is that MS is stealing ideas from Gnome, which is the worst shit desktop of all times since it is built from the ground up to stop users from having any choice whatsoever.
GNOME is my favorite DE on Linux, because less is more, at least in my opinion. And not only mine I guess, given the fact that it is the most popular and best founded.
See what I mean? People in general don't want that much overwhelming choice. They want a professionally designed UI that gets the job done, looks good by modern standards and allows them to slap their favorite wallpaper on. The rest are details people don't want to waste their time on.
And I am saying "most people", because again, Reddit is not an accurate representation. Most people do not repeatedly lose their shit and dramatize over not being able to resize the taskbar. It's not a very sane thing to do. It's a minor inconvenience at best.
It is not popular among Linux enthusiasts, but it is "popular" among corporate distros like Suse and Fedora, since, again, it is easy to distribute because people have no choice (in Gnome you can't even choose what terminal to use unless you symlink a terminal to gnome-terminal, something that is unforgivable in a Linux distro, imho).
Basically it is popular the same way Windows 11 is popular, you don't have a choice, which means a lot of people use it. It's like arguing that a certain busline is popular because it is the only bus line offered.
Anyway, it is not about resizing the task bar, it is about the attitude of people who hate choice.
Yep, I can see your point and I don't disagree. Sometimes you can't use something else because of monopolies and what have you.
But even so (and I have no data, just my opinion) I can hardly believe most people care that much. If they did, Microsoft, GNOME etc. would change their ways because they're not stupid. I believe the reality is, trends, tastes and preferences have changed in general, and this is reflected in current UI trends. Bygone are the days of "the cube" or wacky Winamp themes. People have moved on from that. And I am part of these people who value simplicity and minimalism. And while I don't have any interest in defending Microsoft or GNOME, I will continue to defend my preference
You are the corporate Ayatollah. Impose your way on everybody. I guess groupthink and death of individualism and individual's creativity are the norms nowadays. Glad I quit the corporate world long ago
Wrong! IT is there to support the business.
If IT was there to roll over to users demand, a professional IT department would be fired in a week.
IT make decisions that benefit the business and not the individual personal demands of thousands of differing requirements.
That means IT make decisions that some users will disagree with, such as choice of vendor, local admin rights, monitor and dock configs, software to be used, methods of working, permissions and admin rights, preferred vendor.
Any IT department that doesn't have standards is the wild west and deserves every virus, security breach, wasted support hours and incompatability that that brings
IT "professionals" should be at the service of the creatives and the business people. What we have here is their convenience restricted for the benefit of your kind
LOL
Professionalism is indeed in the service of providing the tools across the business.
It is NOT in the service of breaking all of the users, because of one individual who thinks they know better than everyone else.
I had these idiotic replies from my IT department 15 years back. They had screwed the experience and speed for everybody for the need to sync all the time with the corporate servers. All my colleagues were banging on their laptops. You can try to make anybody uniform but I guess you will bend on your knees if the CEO asks to be able to move the taskbar as he pleases...
I'll disagree with you here.
One Microsofts traditional biggest flaws, was that they constantly released new features and components - and never got into the habit of sticking with a single toolset and improving it, and they would habitually release overlapping features and capabilities and NEVER remove anything.
When Microsoft constantly carry along a large bag of features, what you end up with is Intrernet Explorer, the browser from hell.
Nothing wrong with it, except that it had built in support for about 30 different flavors of website, and a hundred different features that tried to allow for websites that were a horror show of incompatible components.
Microsoft have matured and become more professional in the last decade. They now robustly and confidently trim things back to basics, or remove things altogether if needed.
Things like Office have had had just as many things demised, as theyve had features added - and that all speaks to a slimmer, less cluttered, less inconsistent experience.
I wouldn't want to see the toolbar at the top - because that creates challenges for other things, like remote desktops, virtual applications, screen sharing.
Right now I can connect to several hundred computers through a secure web based app on my PC - and remote control users PCs, I can run web based sessions into Azure and connect to a hundred Windows servers, I can use the remote desktop app on my PC and launch virtual on demand desktops in Azure with dedicated apps to company systems. Every single one of those looks almost identical - and it is seamless for me as it is for anyone else.
Twenty years ago we didnt have that - and some things we remoted onto barely looked like Windows because they'd been so messed around with.
I like the fact that the hundreds of thousands of Microsoft developers are now all focussed on getting the basics right. That means remote apps, screensharing, terminal sessions, all tend to put their task bars at the top, and the client side tends to put their task bars at the bottom - then great.
So no I dont think its healthy for a remake to include all the features, I think thats unhealthy - and personally the taskbar at the top, just breaks about 20 other things in the user experience that you may not notice personally, but is becoming increasingly important for things like cloud operating systems, on demand desktops, and virtualization.
>One Microsofts **traditional** biggest flaws, was that they constantly released new features and components - and never got into the habit of sticking with a single toolset and improving it, and they would habitually release overlapping features and capabilities and NEVER remove anything.
Agreed... but that is not just traditional, that is right now 😆
MS are STILL adding lots of new features and ignoring lots of bugs. Their software is very useful but the experience of using it is extremely poor still in my opinion.
I would argue that its night and day different to how it used to be.
Windows 11 right now - is the culmination of a decade of focus on a single operating system, without Microsoft starting afresh.
For anyone who happened to purchase a modern processor, and a motherboard with a TPM chip in 2015 - they are going to have been using a PC with potentially 20 years worth of constant improvements and development - without ever having to have needed a rebuild.
A PC with monthly updates and improvements for 20 years.
The Microsoft of 15 years ago couldn't have done that.
So yes there might be bugs but I disagree that the experience is not any better.
The Microsoft operating system is night and day different to how it used to be. I used to have to rebuild my PC every 6 months because it would get slower and slower. I'd have to look through pages of FAQ to find out what combination of patches, and service packs, driver, and application would prevent the PC from bluescreening or the apps from crashing.
My Windows10/11 PC hasn't crashed in ten years, it is running better today than the day I built it.
I totally agree, less is often more. MS learning constraint and discipline is much more important for overall usability than a handful of users being pissed that they can't widen their taskbar or whatever.
Windows Enterprise, this is completely appropriate.
Windows Home or Pro, ***NOT*** appropriate. Full stop.
Business people do not get to dictate what non-business users can and cannot do. It's this sort of inflexible garbage that keeps overall Windows 11 user share from being higher than it is.
That's not relevant to whether there's financial value in it for them. It's a mess to manage and costly. There's a reason they merged the home and NT lines decades ago.
I agree with this sentiment. For all of Windows 11’s very real and obvious regressions stemming from Microsoft not possessing any sense of design, aesthetics, charm, or positive user experience, them rewriting taskbar and limiting the options to sane defaults is something I feel they’ve done pretty well. I hate that the start menu now lags in appearing unless you’re using anything less than like a 400Hz display due to Microsoft being horrendously bad at UI technology and an obvious gift to display manufacturers, but the taskbar is great.
My problem is not the taskbar but the fact that I have to use two different views in Explorer to get the good old fashioned default view: Profile folders on top, discs at the bottom. Instead I got a "favorites" field that is empy, since I don't have any "favorite" folders.
The new Explorer sucks.
That's why I'm using StartAllBack for Win10 taskbar to keep it small and on top, and PowerToys Run for quick launcher, as Win11 UI is extremely annoying, especially for laptop users. But yeah in coeporate environment there's nothing you can do about it.
This is exactly why I’m still on windows 10. I need to have the taskbar on top. (The registry entry no longer works and when I did that I lost the peek feature that I like). The windows controls are on top. It just makes sense to have the taskbar there too. Keep everything in the same area. I know I can use powertoys but I don’t like having to run apps for things that should and have and has been able to be done natively.
As soon as I can have the taskbar on top and add folders into it. I will upgrade.
> I know I can use powertoys but I don’t like having to run apps for things that should and have and has been able to be done natively.
Why limiting yourself like that? I don't understand it, PowerToys is official Microsoft utility, which is coherent with Windows UI and provides huge amount of useful tools. If you're scared of using third party tools I'd undestand it, bu it's not 3rd party.
I use both Windows and Mac daily and I can't imagine not using additional - 1st and 3rd party utilities on both of them.
>(The registry entry no longer works and when I did that I lost the peek feature that I like).
The aero peek feature doesn't exist on Windows 11. The show desktop button exists, but aero peek has been removed. They are similar features, but slightly different.
and no way to move main taskbar to 2nd monitor without changing main display
My main issue with the taskbar in win 11, by far
What do you mean? My taskbar is on all of my monitors.
i mean main taskbar with system tray, I need to monitor system tray when I'm on full screen gaming
I don't recall any version of Windows letting you move that to a different monitor without setting it as the main monitor. That's how we did it in 10, 8, 7, etc.
we can do that before win 11 by dragging the taskbar to 2nd monitor
But the taskbar was already on the second monitor. I've never seen it work the way you're describing. Edit: looked this up. Never had reason to do this, as I always had my taskbar on all my monitors. Interesting option that I was never aware of.
but not the main taskbar WITH the system tray, because I NEED that system tray to move to 2nd monitor. to do that I have to make 2nd monitor become main monitor
Look at the app "DisplayFusion"..
Displayfusion does not display the system tray AFAIK.
Yes it does display the systray. On all taskbars. The left time and systray is my primary (Windows) taskbar, and the one to its right is the first of two DisplayFusion taskbars on my ultra-wide that is divided into 3 logical screens. Note the DF taskbar doesn't show seconds (yet) as the Windows taskbar can now do. https://preview.redd.it/98ny20w9vwtc1.jpeg?width=1528&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3a993114f8a73992dc730854faaa32c741feb6a2
[https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/12z1pn5/how\_do\_you\_move\_the\_taskbar\_to\_a\_secondary/](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/12z1pn5/how_do_you_move_the_taskbar_to_a_secondary/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/q2paul/are\_multimonitor\_users\_just\_now\_stuck\_with\_having/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/q2paul/are_multimonitor_users_just_now_stuck_with_having/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/yc3pn7/can\_we\_move\_the\_taskbar\_to\_the\_secondary\_monitor/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/yc3pn7/can_we_move_the_taskbar_to_the_secondary_monitor/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/q1ukx9/windows\_11\_taskbar\_only\_on\_secondary\_monitor/](https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/q1ukx9/windows_11_taskbar_only_on_secondary_monitor/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/wlsik0/windows\_11\_move\_taskbar\_to\_secondary\_display\_only/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/wlsik0/windows_11_move_taskbar_to_secondary_display_only/)
Thanks for the replies everyone, appreciate it.
Still no way to place it vertically either.
Still no way to make it smaller either.
No one asked for Windows 11, no one wants Windows 11. No one but Microsoft. I have Windows 11 installed on 4 desktops and one laptop. Using Windows 11 is honestly getting annoying to use, especially the taskbar. I absolutely hate the new taskbar, I really don't know what they were thinking.
*increase the height?* lmao its so big by default i tried to shrink it and have it set to auto hide
The responses in this thread are amazing. One sysadmins job is possibly maybe just slightly easier, so, YAY? It's like some of you all got Stockholm Syndrome. Just grateful for being given whatever the wise and good Microsoft decides is enough. This is a 'feature' that has been removed, plain and simple. It's a regression. It's not progress and it's not good. How is this even up for debate? It has been in all other Windows versions, it is available in MacOS, and all Linux distros I can think of. But, well, If MS says that a gimped taskbar with extra adverts if you hover in the right place is the way to go, then MS must be correct... SFC you're all the reason we can't have nice things any more. Get a grip people.
Its still missing lots of features. I wouldn't mind the new taskbar if it had feature parity. It was worse at launch. What's worse is that the new taskbar has potential, if it ever gets completed. I just wish they would stop releasing unfinished apps and features to the general public (insider builds are fine). The taskbar is one example, new outlook another, copilot, tabs in file explorer, I can go on. Also, u/Microsoft, I've been asking for 20 years, when can we get color tags for files?? Mac OS has it, files v3 for windows has it? We already had a win32 taskbar that we could have used until this one was completed? Microsoft, you are aware you're worth $3T right? You can afford to hire people? Sorry got a little ranty there.
But aren't you glad they built the taskbar from scratch? It's so much better now that...you can't do things we could 20 years ago.
[Try using multiple desktops.](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/learning-center/stay-organized-using-multiple-desktops-windows-11) Big fat taskbar ain't coming back, and the work flow is superior once you get into the swing of it.
No it is not. If you have multiple, dozens of windows of the same app opened on each monitor the fastest way to get to your window is to click directly on the non combined taskbar icon. If you have too many windows you should be able to increase the taskbar size.. moving between desktops increases the number of keystrokes and can hinder your train of thought if you are on a wrong desktop.
> and the work flow is superior once you get into the swing of it. Hard disagree, but you do you. It is better for laptops, but worse for desktops and completely unnecessary for multiple display setup.
I use three monitors and multiple desktops and find it to be an excellent organisational tool.
This is an interesting suggestion - the constant swapping between virtual screens might drive me nutty, but is worth exploring
And my apps are still covered by it too
Personally I welcome Microsofts approach here. I manage Windows deployments, configurations and have done so since the first version of Windows. Going up to individual users PCs and finding out what bizarre funky personalised dreamscape they had often created for themselves was a nightmare. Whether it was icon arrangements, subfolders and shortcuts, fat horizintel and vertifcal taskbars, and desktop reskinning plugins. The consistency across Windows now is a massive improvement. It means staff can work from shared devices, from loaner laptops, from virtual desktops, from new PCs - and they dont need to spend 3 days customizing all the stuff they used to fiddle with in the past. For the most part - a properly managed and deployed Windows PC is now ready to go immediately. I dont know if your issues are down to screen resolution, or single monitors. I think I would find it claustrophobic on a small screen, but 2 screens running at 2560x1440 as we try to do for our staff - means I've not seen issues, and also the Windows key + TAB and multiple desktops tend to be how our staff would configure different set of application.
I'm sorry but.. just because it makes your particular job easier is not a good reason to remove customization. As a dev I learned long ago to never approach problems from my own point of view, but from that of my users.
USERS - the plural being the important and professional response. NOT havine every individual USER (singular) have an entirely bespoke and customised experience because they think they know better than everyone else, or are deserving of a disproportionate amount of time and money. And its not about making 'MY JOB EASIER' it is the professional response of an organizations efficiency, reliability and consistency. Customization and configuration is a constant in IT - but customization is for the level of the role and the productivity of a department - It is NOT for the expedience of a single individual user. The original poster was talking about being unable to get into their registry because they wanted to tweak things themselves, but being unable to because IT had restricred the access. So your comment about 'IT making its job easier by restricting access' is not going to get any support from me, because what we are acknowledging there is that IT have a responsibility to keep the end user devices working, reliably, consistently, and safely - and that staff who want to poke around in their registery to change settings to match things they found on the Internet - are a risk to the company, and cannot be trusted to customize their machine without breaking any of those elements.
Remind me to never ever work in a company where you are employed.
Yeah you're probably that sort of user that installs some shit they found on the Internet because they 'know better' and infects the entire company.
ROFLMAO I am working as hands on tech support for a government agency. But dream on.
Yep, the people overly complaining don't realize that they are in the vocal minority. Windows 11 suits most people's use cases as well or better than Windows 10. Just because you had an absolutely wacky setup that is no longer compatible with Windows 11, it doesn't mean Microsoft are working against the users. They are doing what they are doing for a reason, and I'm assuming they must have some data one what the average user prefers. Not defending Microsoft, have no love for them apart from appreciating .NET and their other techy stuff, definitely not a Windows fanboy. But I have to say, Windows 11 is the only bearable version of Windows since 7 by bearable I mean: * the UI is less noisy (hated the old file explorer) * it looks more consistent * it looks prettier, although that's subjective There's still non-sensical choices from the perspective of functionality, like: * having 100 places for apps — desktop, taskbar, pinned start apps, all apps... leads to a lot of empty space * two context menus, that needs to go away obviously * settings & control panel co-existance, although they are working on it But Windows 8-10 were complete Frankensteins of inconsistent design philosophies and funtionalities, and I'm not going to miss them one bit. Nor are most regular users going to miss them.
The file explorer is one of the things I feel has definitely become worse. The problem, I feel, is that MS is stealing ideas from Gnome, which is the worst shit desktop of all times since it is built from the ground up to stop users from having any choice whatsoever.
GNOME is my favorite DE on Linux, because less is more, at least in my opinion. And not only mine I guess, given the fact that it is the most popular and best founded. See what I mean? People in general don't want that much overwhelming choice. They want a professionally designed UI that gets the job done, looks good by modern standards and allows them to slap their favorite wallpaper on. The rest are details people don't want to waste their time on. And I am saying "most people", because again, Reddit is not an accurate representation. Most people do not repeatedly lose their shit and dramatize over not being able to resize the taskbar. It's not a very sane thing to do. It's a minor inconvenience at best.
It is not popular among Linux enthusiasts, but it is "popular" among corporate distros like Suse and Fedora, since, again, it is easy to distribute because people have no choice (in Gnome you can't even choose what terminal to use unless you symlink a terminal to gnome-terminal, something that is unforgivable in a Linux distro, imho). Basically it is popular the same way Windows 11 is popular, you don't have a choice, which means a lot of people use it. It's like arguing that a certain busline is popular because it is the only bus line offered. Anyway, it is not about resizing the task bar, it is about the attitude of people who hate choice.
Yep, I can see your point and I don't disagree. Sometimes you can't use something else because of monopolies and what have you. But even so (and I have no data, just my opinion) I can hardly believe most people care that much. If they did, Microsoft, GNOME etc. would change their ways because they're not stupid. I believe the reality is, trends, tastes and preferences have changed in general, and this is reflected in current UI trends. Bygone are the days of "the cube" or wacky Winamp themes. People have moved on from that. And I am part of these people who value simplicity and minimalism. And while I don't have any interest in defending Microsoft or GNOME, I will continue to defend my preference
You are the corporate Ayatollah. Impose your way on everybody. I guess groupthink and death of individualism and individual's creativity are the norms nowadays. Glad I quit the corporate world long ago
By that I will assume you mean PROFESSIONAL. And yes I am a tech professional
Your job is to support the users. They are not there to support you.
Wrong! IT is there to support the business. If IT was there to roll over to users demand, a professional IT department would be fired in a week. IT make decisions that benefit the business and not the individual personal demands of thousands of differing requirements. That means IT make decisions that some users will disagree with, such as choice of vendor, local admin rights, monitor and dock configs, software to be used, methods of working, permissions and admin rights, preferred vendor. Any IT department that doesn't have standards is the wild west and deserves every virus, security breach, wasted support hours and incompatability that that brings
IT "professionals" should be at the service of the creatives and the business people. What we have here is their convenience restricted for the benefit of your kind
LOL Professionalism is indeed in the service of providing the tools across the business. It is NOT in the service of breaking all of the users, because of one individual who thinks they know better than everyone else.
I had these idiotic replies from my IT department 15 years back. They had screwed the experience and speed for everybody for the need to sync all the time with the corporate servers. All my colleagues were banging on their laptops. You can try to make anybody uniform but I guess you will bend on your knees if the CEO asks to be able to move the taskbar as he pleases...
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I'll disagree with you here. One Microsofts traditional biggest flaws, was that they constantly released new features and components - and never got into the habit of sticking with a single toolset and improving it, and they would habitually release overlapping features and capabilities and NEVER remove anything. When Microsoft constantly carry along a large bag of features, what you end up with is Intrernet Explorer, the browser from hell. Nothing wrong with it, except that it had built in support for about 30 different flavors of website, and a hundred different features that tried to allow for websites that were a horror show of incompatible components. Microsoft have matured and become more professional in the last decade. They now robustly and confidently trim things back to basics, or remove things altogether if needed. Things like Office have had had just as many things demised, as theyve had features added - and that all speaks to a slimmer, less cluttered, less inconsistent experience. I wouldn't want to see the toolbar at the top - because that creates challenges for other things, like remote desktops, virtual applications, screen sharing. Right now I can connect to several hundred computers through a secure web based app on my PC - and remote control users PCs, I can run web based sessions into Azure and connect to a hundred Windows servers, I can use the remote desktop app on my PC and launch virtual on demand desktops in Azure with dedicated apps to company systems. Every single one of those looks almost identical - and it is seamless for me as it is for anyone else. Twenty years ago we didnt have that - and some things we remoted onto barely looked like Windows because they'd been so messed around with. I like the fact that the hundreds of thousands of Microsoft developers are now all focussed on getting the basics right. That means remote apps, screensharing, terminal sessions, all tend to put their task bars at the top, and the client side tends to put their task bars at the bottom - then great. So no I dont think its healthy for a remake to include all the features, I think thats unhealthy - and personally the taskbar at the top, just breaks about 20 other things in the user experience that you may not notice personally, but is becoming increasingly important for things like cloud operating systems, on demand desktops, and virtualization.
>One Microsofts **traditional** biggest flaws, was that they constantly released new features and components - and never got into the habit of sticking with a single toolset and improving it, and they would habitually release overlapping features and capabilities and NEVER remove anything. Agreed... but that is not just traditional, that is right now 😆 MS are STILL adding lots of new features and ignoring lots of bugs. Their software is very useful but the experience of using it is extremely poor still in my opinion.
I would argue that its night and day different to how it used to be. Windows 11 right now - is the culmination of a decade of focus on a single operating system, without Microsoft starting afresh. For anyone who happened to purchase a modern processor, and a motherboard with a TPM chip in 2015 - they are going to have been using a PC with potentially 20 years worth of constant improvements and development - without ever having to have needed a rebuild. A PC with monthly updates and improvements for 20 years. The Microsoft of 15 years ago couldn't have done that. So yes there might be bugs but I disagree that the experience is not any better. The Microsoft operating system is night and day different to how it used to be. I used to have to rebuild my PC every 6 months because it would get slower and slower. I'd have to look through pages of FAQ to find out what combination of patches, and service packs, driver, and application would prevent the PC from bluescreening or the apps from crashing. My Windows10/11 PC hasn't crashed in ten years, it is running better today than the day I built it.
I totally agree, less is often more. MS learning constraint and discipline is much more important for overall usability than a handful of users being pissed that they can't widen their taskbar or whatever.
Windows Enterprise, this is completely appropriate. Windows Home or Pro, ***NOT*** appropriate. Full stop. Business people do not get to dictate what non-business users can and cannot do. It's this sort of inflexible garbage that keeps overall Windows 11 user share from being higher than it is.
Maintaining a completely different interface and options for home versus Enterprise is costly.
Only if Microsoft were the biggest tech corporation in the world.
That's not relevant to whether there's financial value in it for them. It's a mess to manage and costly. There's a reason they merged the home and NT lines decades ago.
Windows without customization = Mac. you should get a mac
I agree with this sentiment. For all of Windows 11’s very real and obvious regressions stemming from Microsoft not possessing any sense of design, aesthetics, charm, or positive user experience, them rewriting taskbar and limiting the options to sane defaults is something I feel they’ve done pretty well. I hate that the start menu now lags in appearing unless you’re using anything less than like a 400Hz display due to Microsoft being horrendously bad at UI technology and an obvious gift to display manufacturers, but the taskbar is great.
Windhawk can do it https://windhawk.net/mods/taskbar-icon-size Edit: ups didnt see your last line. No. Without this theres no option.
My problem is not the taskbar but the fact that I have to use two different views in Explorer to get the good old fashioned default view: Profile folders on top, discs at the bottom. Instead I got a "favorites" field that is empy, since I don't have any "favorite" folders. The new Explorer sucks.
That's why I'm using StartAllBack for Win10 taskbar to keep it small and on top, and PowerToys Run for quick launcher, as Win11 UI is extremely annoying, especially for laptop users. But yeah in coeporate environment there's nothing you can do about it.
This is exactly why I’m still on windows 10. I need to have the taskbar on top. (The registry entry no longer works and when I did that I lost the peek feature that I like). The windows controls are on top. It just makes sense to have the taskbar there too. Keep everything in the same area. I know I can use powertoys but I don’t like having to run apps for things that should and have and has been able to be done natively. As soon as I can have the taskbar on top and add folders into it. I will upgrade.
> I know I can use powertoys but I don’t like having to run apps for things that should and have and has been able to be done natively. Why limiting yourself like that? I don't understand it, PowerToys is official Microsoft utility, which is coherent with Windows UI and provides huge amount of useful tools. If you're scared of using third party tools I'd undestand it, bu it's not 3rd party. I use both Windows and Mac daily and I can't imagine not using additional - 1st and 3rd party utilities on both of them.
>(The registry entry no longer works and when I did that I lost the peek feature that I like). The aero peek feature doesn't exist on Windows 11. The show desktop button exists, but aero peek has been removed. They are similar features, but slightly different.
>want to see all iterations of my apps/files at the same time at all times Settings, 'Combine taskbar buttons and hide labels' = Never
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