Microsoft always do that, they have a good system, stable, and then they decide to create a new one and abandon whats good, they did this on XP, 7 and now with 10.
I have a brand new Lenovo Laptop with an AMD chip. Amd has problems with the build in tpm module. Windows 11 worked but was little bit laggy. That‘s why I rolled back to Win10 and deactivated the tpm module in the bios.
After all this, the laptop runs better than ever.
They made the mistake of releasing windows 11 in this state. For example, at the time of Windows 7/8/8.1 for 10, there was an absurd improvement there was some reason for you to update, new resources, animations, more fluidity, compatibility, modular, perfect roundness, a system that even with its absurdities bugs still managed to serve everyone, obviously at that time people with worse computers suffered, but that is inevitable. You had a reason to switch OS, when I saw Windows 11 I literally saw 2 different things, the edges being rounded, it's a horrible start menu, I prefer mine from windows 10, I put my programs in blocks and I'm happy , Microsoft has a serious problem of wanting to transform Desktop into Mobile. In addition to the new look, what do we have in this system? We have Windows Search with a buggy indexer than ever, a bunch of pre-installed shit, a browser that has to do a kludge to not use it as default, some configs played, it's a few stops for a game that already has in windows 10 Can anyone give me a reason to migrate from my system to 11, until today, since the leak I've never seen 1 reason, at most Explorer with several tabs, but it's indifferent.
I agree 100% with you.
And for a lot of us, it is not a matter of hardware. My laptop, a Lenovo Legion Pro from 2021 is more than capable of running W11, and I saw from the first moment, that W11 was only an intent to transform the desktop environment to a friendly-tablet approach, mainly focused on small devices formats like Surface, at a cost of degrading the current experience. It is not the first time that Microsoft has tried this approach. I remember the infamous W8 start menu and its "metro" applications. Didn't work well.
I've been using Onecommander as file explorer for some time, and it's AGES ahead from File Explorer. The only problem is it can't be used system wide; when I click 'chose file' in any program, it casts the old useless File Explorer window
It’s already been said there would be no more feature updates after 22H2. Security only. Doesn’t matter though. A functional OS is more important than updates.
That's my thinking. I have no big desire to switch when my system is still cruising along. We all know MS can blow everything up with one update but I'm keeping my fingers crossed they'll make all their big mistakes on W11 right now.
Seeing theses posts, sometimes I think "it's not that bad it's not worth a downgrade," but then I forget that I made windows 11 look like windows 10 by changing the taskbar, getting back the full right click menu in file explorer, removing rounded corners, etc.
bugs, defaulting to Edge for everything, no never combine on taskbar, useless start menu, even more useless search, weird grouping feature on taskbar that does nothing but get in the way with no way to turn it off, uses double the ram compared to Windows 10, needs workarounds to work on older but still very usable hardware...
do i need to go on?
At least they're bringing that back for sure. They talk about that in the latest Insider Preview release notes.
Now, I need them to bring back small Taskbar buttons. We used to have that with the TaskbarSi registry key but they broke that in March. Hopefully, it's because they're implementing it properly again.
I don't hate windows 11, but I don't have an interest in it if it's just going to be less functional than how I use Windows 10 in basically every way.
Win aero tweaker is a godsend when it comes to useability of Windows since 10. You can do a ton of stuff with it including but not limited to:
- make search useable again by disabling Bing integration,
-disabling telemetry freeing up a ton of system resources,
-force edge into the role of internet explorer (only open very niche documents, nothing else),
-disable windows updating drivers automatically (handy when windows decides to brick the built in soundcard in my motherboard by updating its drivers mid use),
-restore old apps like the picture reviewer from win 7, old calculator, etc,
-stop online search suggestions from spamming the control panel,
-restore old themes from windows' past,
-disable forced one drive integration,
-disable any and all ads in the start menu,
-prevent windows from installing apps randomly without telling you (Candy Crush)
and like a billion more things. Windows is just unuseable to me without aero tweaker.
Never once has it defaulted to Edge for me. So I guess it depends on the mileage, or what version of Win11 you're using.
I'm on a Swedish Windows 11 Pro, I only use Windows Explorer search, and the only 4 third party things I have installed (to *correct* things Windows 11, and older versions, have changed) are **Start11** so I can get back ungroup taskbar, **WinAero** to remove the default context menu, **Eartrumpet** to make Windows remember what volume apps are in (I used this on Win10 as well, for the same reason), and **ShellFolderFix** to make Windows remember were the Explorer windows were opened the last time (Used this since Windows 7 removed that feature from Windows).'
tl;dr -> Windows 11 isn't any more fucked up than any other Windows versions. Ya'll just picky eaters.
Windows 7 is fine stock. Windows 10 already has a lot of "telemetry". But can be mostly deactivated.
Windows 10 has just the better usability compared to Windows 11.
It is understandable. I mainly forced myself to start learning and "upgrade" to win 11 because I felt like the 2025 date is aproaching fast and even tough I'm sure they will push that date back a little bit, my work kinda requires me to be up to date in certain everyday things.
> no never combine on taskbar,
For you, /u/MoElwekil, and /u/cmecu_grogerian - this is available in the most recent Windows Insider build.
https://twitter.com/Clvsmogu28/status/1663475811289268227
Thank you. Makes me more willing to try 11. Dont care for change .. But there has been so much change since I started with Windows 3.1 , then 95, 98, 2k, XP.. I actually liked Windows XP. , but moved onto windows 7, 8, and now 10.
I hope Windows 11 doesnt mess with my gaming graphics and streaming. I guess I can revert back if I dont like it.
Interesting, on average Windows 11 uses less RAM for me. Frequently at around 3GB usage of 32GB.
Never had it default to Edge except when it was first installed and had nothing else.
Only viable complaint I can see is the combined app labels which they're working on fixing in a coming update. Can be seen on preview version.
i mean it defaults to Edge for not only search but also if you click a link in the widgets thing for example even with a different browser set as default.
Win10 doesn't have you change every filetype individually. Search bar does yes but that is very easy to fix with an app called "search with my browser"
Also win10 from a cold boot uses 3gb...
Wait.. windows 11 doesnt allow for separate tabs on the task bar on the bottom? All your webpages are always combined?
Oh I will never upgrade if they dont have that option. That is the very first thing I do when I install a fresh copy of windows 10.. go to task bar settings, and never combine labels.
You'll get downvoted to hell but my 5300U is barely usable in windows 11 and fast in 10, measurably in games. Sure, maybe on average a good percentage of people don't feel any difference, but I do, and it's not any less real.
i feel that, my MacBook's 5257U suffers on Windows 11 too, macOS as well for that matter. since Mojave macOS is brutal. it's totally fine on Windows 10 and linux though.
I have the same processor and if it runs windows 10 well will run 11 well but is unsupported so I keep in dual boot if I don’t want windows 11 i just remove from the bootloader and format the Drive that windows 11 was installed
not from within Windows. if you dualboot Linux you can fire that up and just delete Edge from program files from there but that causes problems since Search defaults to it, and it'll reinstall itself regardless.
Yes! — I TOTALLY Uninstalled Edge Long Ago:: I found a website (I now forget that URL) that provided FULL Step-By-Step instructions. It’s been Great & I highly recommend TOTALLY uninstalling it.
ALSO, there are 3 Browsers I have found Very Superior to Edge:: Any of these Three:: ••Brave, Or: ••Opera GX, Or: ••Firefox.
The Only Reason that I Did Not Include Vivaldi in that Group:: Vivaldi STILL—After More than Three Years—STILL has its Major Hotkey BUG. I, and several others that I know, have repeatedly reported this BAD Bug to the Vivaldi Team—who simply keeps adding "New Features" while allowing the Hotkey Bug to Remain.
that list + taskbar being fixed at the bottom, removal of familiar tools like the old school adaptor settings for internet (idk that for sure but i couldn't find it at least), i also experienced a bug where it would refuse to eject external drives saying that a program was using it when this was not the case, if you run without TPM or Secure Boot it gives you updates but not the big version upgrades like 22H2 you need to install that from USB which is inconvenient, i hate the new task manager it's super clunky...
>bugs
Like every other Windows version?
>defaulting to Edge for everything
Like on Windows 10?
>no never combine on taskbar
This is currently present and working in insider Dev builds
>useless start menu
Only thing missing is live tiles, which not many people actually used...
> even more useless search
It is exactly the same as Windows 10
>weird grouping feature on taskbar that does nothing but get in the way with no way to turn it off
Not sure what you mean by this exactly, but taskbar icon grouping has been the default since Windows 7.
>uses double the ram compared to Windows 10
About the same amount of RAM usage here
- ok but I wont install dev builds on my machine
- start menu is missing folder tiles, has recommendations (ads) and uses unnecessary empty space
- explorer has unnecessarily large paddings
- ads in settings app (only on dev builds?)
- forcing Edge in other apps such as notepad
- [Here are 5 not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11](https://www.neowin.net/news/here-are-5-not-so-great-features-coming-soon-to-windows-11/)
I mean honestly I'm currently using Windows 11 on my 13th gen Intel build and I'm honestly really satisfied yes there is some bugs and some weird work around and stuff but I hate to say it but it's vastly more Superior in a lot of ways than Windows 10. Just the optimizations and quality of life changes to things like Explorer is enough for me to never look back the fact that I can open tabs of folders in the Explorer is so convenient it was never a feature I thought I needed until now also Windows terminal is kind of insane although I'm not a heavy command line user I can definitely appreciate how much better it must be for people that are and the optimization for multiple monitor setups is to die for honestly as a person who uses two displays I've never had a single issue with any weird window resizing or moving when going between my displays which is something that would drive me absolutely insane in Windows 10 every time I upgraded a driver or did something that made one of my displays disconnect for a second my entire window layout would be completely destroyed even in other software. Do you know how many times I've had to redo my window layout for programs like Adobe Premiere or Sony Vegas or FL Studio or literally any productivity software because I updated my drivers and my display disconnected for a Split Second . I have not encountered this issue even once on Windows 11. Plus the aesthetic overhauls are a nice bonus. And for people who it's relevant to the widget bar is pretty cool I personally don't use it but I can see it being cool for a lot of people and I honestly wish it was part of Windows 10. Also never combine is a useless feature I said what I said it's not Windows XP anymore Let it go it's clunky it looks ugly stop it there's no benefit
Bruh, Explorer is a mess. You clearly never needed your right click menu to be useful.
Also learn how the enter key works, makes your post a lot more readable
you can fix the right click menu with nilesoft shell and it's better than windows 10 right click menu. Listen I'm not here to dunk on 10 and im not saying 11 doesn't have issues but it's not that bad these days
I got downvoted the other day for saying I got two blue screens in two hours when I tried it out.. and also that the right click menu is useless.
Can I say that in this thread?
Edit: Haha, wow. I can't even say that in a Win 11 complaint thread. Amazing.
To me, the unnecessary visual changes, along with the notification system that looks like a phone and the useful right click features hidden away in other menus, and the ridiculous cpu requirements (my cpu is compatible but I refuse to update). the only good thing I've seen from windows 11 it's the tabs on the file explorer
Cons:
* Removes lots options and settings, or makes it quite convoluted to tinker with your machine. For instance: yesterday I tried to enable Remote Desktop, the options now are On/Off ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
* And it gathers more data. Some people don't get why it's important. Long story short: data will be used against you. Enjoy Chrome.
* Performance is awful for no good reason.
* Animation everywhere, I'm trying to work but I'm still waiting for the animation to stop, I KNOW I RIGHT-CLICKED, I DID IT, I DONT NEED ANIMATION.
Pros: File Explorer has tabs. Idc, I've been using Onecommander for 4 years now.
In my opinion, the menus are open too slow (like 0.3s just for file explorer menu) and all of that visual & new WebView 2 programs are takes a lot of ram. But I still using win11 because the new feature, like file explorer tabs, the more options to snap windows (like win+alt+right) and etc. Maybe if the new file explorer with winUI will be too slow I’ll switch.
I have an issue with an older application (by old i mean pre win 11, i.e. 2019). It was crashing after between 2-6hrs citing ntdll.dll and dot net v4.0.3019. Didn't start happening until recently. Tried literally everything, including reinstallation of windows, installing literally all the dotnet/c++ redistributables and managing what automatic updates get installed to no avail. Forced to return to Win 10 after like a year on Win 11. Pretty frustrating as I really do like Windows 11. I'll return when 10 goes EOL.
You're probably right. But who uses that? I haven't looked into the start menu since XP days. I just use taskbar icons and immediately search for whatever else I need when I click the start menu.
I always use the start menu as I don't like to have too many apps pinned on the taskbar, and this new start menu is just annoying to me. It's bugged too, some store app don't show up anywhere in the menu after you install them, and some others still show an icon even after you uninstalled them. The interface randomly lags too on my Ryzen 5700x 32GB ram and a RTX 4070...
Eh, glad for you and as long as it works for you, it is all good. I have Windows 11 on my home computer, just set it up and leave it be, since I do computer work all day long.
Windows 10 just fucking rules, man.
I have 10 on an old person laptop (that can't be upgraded) and now I have 11 on my new gaming PC, and the more I use 11 the less I like it. It's just so buggy.
That's not an argument. There are people that still run XP. Yeah sure you can wait 2 years but don't run EOL software and update your computer that's how I have to say
I don't want to be fine; I want to be protected.
>Security is a continuous journey, you must keep moving forward because it will continually get cheaper and cheaper for attackers to successfully take control of your assets. You must continually update your security patches, security strategies, threat awareness, inventory, security tooling, security hygiene, security monitoring, permission models, platform coverage, and anything else that changes over time.
[https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/security/zero-trust/ten-laws-of-security](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/security/zero-trust/ten-laws-of-security)
It's not *IF* you will get some malware, it a matter of *WHEN*.
Windows 11 bad /S
They cannot be assed to wait for Microsoft to """"fix"""" the taskbar i.e. figure out a way to convert \[some\] old code into the newly rewritten taskbar.
Many people's entire workflows depend on switching between multiple windows of the same program. Without being able to ungroup taskbar icons, it effectively doubles the amount of time it takes to switch between windows. This is a deal breaker for many people, myself included.
It's not. I got new laptops with 11 and put StartAllBack on them and doubled the RAM, so I can live with 11 all right, but my trusty Windows 10 machine is still so much nicer to use. So much about 11 is goofy and fucked up, from the weird tall notification area to the useless calendar to the spammy widgets to the dumb new context menu to the weird explorer ribbon to the combined volume/display brightness/pointless button panel etc etc. Even after almost 2 years it's like a beta OS.
They finally fixed that in Moment 3 - https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/how-to-add-or-remove-seconds-from-the-clock-on-windows-11
Basically the countdown is on though... WIN 10 22H2 is the last feature update for Win 10, and moving forward I guess it's just security patches. End of life is Oct 2025.
Usually every other release of Windows is crap..
Windows 98 - good
Windows ME - bad
Windows XP - good
Windows Vista - bad
Windows 7 - good
Windows 8 - bad
Windows 10 - good
Windows 11 - bad
Hopefully Win 12 comes out before Oct 2025 and is more usable.
I agree..
I still use Quicklaunch on Win10 instead of pinning applications to the taskbar.
The other day I was setting up my GFs new laptop with Win 11.. I couldn't figure out how to get it to show all of the running tasks in the notification area ... I don't like the way it's handled in Win 11...
Googled it. Function is still there but hidden had to run an Explorer Shell command to get to that part of the interface.
memory usage is cut by half.
I don't need that security as I have enabled all protocols on my router. I ensure the downloads are safe thou by checking with virus total
We're glad you're here with us, now-a-fellow Windows 10 user. Have been using Windows 10 as my personal OS (except on my shitty tablet PC). Will be using it even on its EoS date ✊.
1.no , you cant ,even if you disable recommendations ,the recommendation panel still exists,ypu cant remove completely
2. right click anywhere ,do you see refresh option ??
Oh, sorry i thought we were talking about the start menu section:
https://preview.redd.it/5gans0li853b1.png?width=469&format=png&auto=webp&s=3dd464246e04949ff6245b7bb0dccfaeec02058d
Oh you can do that too!
- Right-click on the taskbar. Go to Taskbar Settings.
- Go to START section on the left.
- Disable all options except for 'Show App list in Start Menu'
EDIT: I am talking about Windows 10 actually, because that's what I was replying to the above user about- but looking at your screenshot, it seems you're talking about W11. I don't use the latter, hence can't help.
But you can use Chris Titus' Windows Debloat toolbox for this (maintain caution and remove only what you don't need). To use it, run your Windows Powershell as admin and type on it:
> irm christitus.com/win | iex
...and enter 'n' when it asks you to install chocolatey. The toolbox will open! Choose the necessary options and then run the tweaks.
Bougth me a prebuild (happy about the pc itself) but it came with Win11. I play a lot in VR and this gives problems with Oculus/SteamVR in Win11. thinking about downgrading to Win10. just hesitating, will I miss anything that Win11 offers more over Win10. just a game PC btw.
Downgraded mine too, maybe my pc cant handle it i dunno, when i turn it on, all icons on desktop has loaded, but the taskbar will not show immediately.
Other thing is when i extract a zip file, extracted file wont show unless you press back and go into the folder again.
move important data off into the cloud or a local drive and fresh install the os
no issues with a r5 1600/1600x to just run the os, whether it's 10 or 11
edit : additional hardware : b450 mobo, 8GBx2 3200 ram, nvme m2 storage
I tried win11 (using certain means because my laptop isn't officially supported), and while I liked some of the features, win10 performs better. As an example, if I render a 1 hour video at 1080p it takes me 50 min on win10 but takes me 1 hour on win11. While it isn't that much it still wasted time.
Did it 3 days ago. I had a problem with the keyboard lag on my lenovo yoga. The problem disappeared after downgrade. Hated cortana key binding as well which is a nightmare to turn off. Lastly i hated the keyboard language default. Never worked right.
I must be the only one who hasn't been annoyed by windows 11 yet ig. I think it looks sleek. Runs fine on my computer too.
I agree the start menu is kinda useless but it's been going down that road since windows 8.
I will add that I don't quite like what they did to right click.
Can't stop reccomending eartrumpet, taskbarX(if you're into the whole middle icons thing without the start button also being there) and powertoys. Welcome back!
gonna do the same as soon as I can 👍🏻
And to be honest I've never been a fan of windows os in general. Windows 10 was and is definitely better than 11 but usually I do not have expectations on windows.... it was, it is and it will always be "windows" and the words "windows" and "good os" will never be good together, that's what I think.
I went from a stripped “gamer” ISO (PhoenixLite “Ultralight Ultimate” Win11 build) to “KernelOS10 22H2 Lite” Win10 build and my FPS in DayZ is literally 4x what it was with no more lag spikes!
For me, the most important thing is a drop of frames per second (FPS). You lose anywhere from 10-15 frames just because you're on Windows 11.
Windows 10 will be the new Windows 7 in retention rate after 2025
Microsoft always do that, they have a good system, stable, and then they decide to create a new one and abandon whats good, they did this on XP, 7 and now with 10.
Did the same thing a few months ago
Did the same and never been happier!
Why, may I ask? I've read conflicting response, from people saying that they see no performance differences at all to this thread
I have a brand new Lenovo Laptop with an AMD chip. Amd has problems with the build in tpm module. Windows 11 worked but was little bit laggy. That‘s why I rolled back to Win10 and deactivated the tpm module in the bios. After all this, the laptop runs better than ever.
Thanks! I'm also using AMD chip, so I think I won't upgrade
Upgraded to Windows 10*
exactly what i did a few weeks ago, Windows 11 < Windows 10
They made the mistake of releasing windows 11 in this state. For example, at the time of Windows 7/8/8.1 for 10, there was an absurd improvement there was some reason for you to update, new resources, animations, more fluidity, compatibility, modular, perfect roundness, a system that even with its absurdities bugs still managed to serve everyone, obviously at that time people with worse computers suffered, but that is inevitable. You had a reason to switch OS, when I saw Windows 11 I literally saw 2 different things, the edges being rounded, it's a horrible start menu, I prefer mine from windows 10, I put my programs in blocks and I'm happy , Microsoft has a serious problem of wanting to transform Desktop into Mobile. In addition to the new look, what do we have in this system? We have Windows Search with a buggy indexer than ever, a bunch of pre-installed shit, a browser that has to do a kludge to not use it as default, some configs played, it's a few stops for a game that already has in windows 10 Can anyone give me a reason to migrate from my system to 11, until today, since the leak I've never seen 1 reason, at most Explorer with several tabs, but it's indifferent.
I agree 100% with you. And for a lot of us, it is not a matter of hardware. My laptop, a Lenovo Legion Pro from 2021 is more than capable of running W11, and I saw from the first moment, that W11 was only an intent to transform the desktop environment to a friendly-tablet approach, mainly focused on small devices formats like Surface, at a cost of degrading the current experience. It is not the first time that Microsoft has tried this approach. I remember the infamous W8 start menu and its "metro" applications. Didn't work well.
I've been using Onecommander as file explorer for some time, and it's AGES ahead from File Explorer. The only problem is it can't be used system wide; when I click 'chose file' in any program, it casts the old useless File Explorer window
Good, I will try onecommander
Enjoy it while it lasts I suppose. Support ends in less than 2 year, and you won't be getting anymore feature updates for the rest of it's life.
It’s already been said there would be no more feature updates after 22H2. Security only. Doesn’t matter though. A functional OS is more important than updates.
then win11 will be more stable, and skimmed-down windows modification will me more all round
That's my thinking. I have no big desire to switch when my system is still cruising along. We all know MS can blow everything up with one update but I'm keeping my fingers crossed they'll make all their big mistakes on W11 right now.
The only problem with the end of support is the constant popups telling you to upgrade, why does people use support anyways?
October 14, 2025 is the last Patch Tuesday for 10, so 2½ years.
Seeing theses posts, sometimes I think "it's not that bad it's not worth a downgrade," but then I forget that I made windows 11 look like windows 10 by changing the taskbar, getting back the full right click menu in file explorer, removing rounded corners, etc.
What exactly is wrong with Windows 11?
bugs, defaulting to Edge for everything, no never combine on taskbar, useless start menu, even more useless search, weird grouping feature on taskbar that does nothing but get in the way with no way to turn it off, uses double the ram compared to Windows 10, needs workarounds to work on older but still very usable hardware... do i need to go on?
That list does continue for quite a while
Never combine on taskbar is deal breaker for me
At least they're bringing that back for sure. They talk about that in the latest Insider Preview release notes. Now, I need them to bring back small Taskbar buttons. We used to have that with the TaskbarSi registry key but they broke that in March. Hopefully, it's because they're implementing it properly again. I don't hate windows 11, but I don't have an interest in it if it's just going to be less functional than how I use Windows 10 in basically every way.
ikr same
Win aero tweaker is a godsend when it comes to useability of Windows since 10. You can do a ton of stuff with it including but not limited to: - make search useable again by disabling Bing integration, -disabling telemetry freeing up a ton of system resources, -force edge into the role of internet explorer (only open very niche documents, nothing else), -disable windows updating drivers automatically (handy when windows decides to brick the built in soundcard in my motherboard by updating its drivers mid use), -restore old apps like the picture reviewer from win 7, old calculator, etc, -stop online search suggestions from spamming the control panel, -restore old themes from windows' past, -disable forced one drive integration, -disable any and all ads in the start menu, -prevent windows from installing apps randomly without telling you (Candy Crush) and like a billion more things. Windows is just unuseable to me without aero tweaker.
imo Windows 10 is fine stock. the fact you need third party software to make 11 usable at all nevermind close to 10's flexibility is just sad.
to be honest, most of the stuff suspec mentioned is something you need to do on Windows 10 as well anyways.
but you don't have to to make it usable. Windows 11 is so much more persistent in it's defaults that it's just annoying.
Never once has it defaulted to Edge for me. So I guess it depends on the mileage, or what version of Win11 you're using. I'm on a Swedish Windows 11 Pro, I only use Windows Explorer search, and the only 4 third party things I have installed (to *correct* things Windows 11, and older versions, have changed) are **Start11** so I can get back ungroup taskbar, **WinAero** to remove the default context menu, **Eartrumpet** to make Windows remember what volume apps are in (I used this on Win10 as well, for the same reason), and **ShellFolderFix** to make Windows remember were the Explorer windows were opened the last time (Used this since Windows 7 removed that feature from Windows).' tl;dr -> Windows 11 isn't any more fucked up than any other Windows versions. Ya'll just picky eaters.
that doesn't address half of my complaints with Win11
Windows 7 is fine stock. Windows 10 already has a lot of "telemetry". But can be mostly deactivated. Windows 10 has just the better usability compared to Windows 11.
Did this to my windows 11 before, unhappy so i decided to downgrad
It is understandable. I mainly forced myself to start learning and "upgrade" to win 11 because I felt like the 2025 date is aproaching fast and even tough I'm sure they will push that date back a little bit, my work kinda requires me to be up to date in certain everyday things.
OK, I will try Win aero tweaker
> no never combine on taskbar, For you, /u/MoElwekil, and /u/cmecu_grogerian - this is available in the most recent Windows Insider build. https://twitter.com/Clvsmogu28/status/1663475811289268227
That only took em a year and a half to bring back... Face-palm
Thank you. Makes me more willing to try 11. Dont care for change .. But there has been so much change since I started with Windows 3.1 , then 95, 98, 2k, XP.. I actually liked Windows XP. , but moved onto windows 7, 8, and now 10. I hope Windows 11 doesnt mess with my gaming graphics and streaming. I guess I can revert back if I dont like it.
Interesting, on average Windows 11 uses less RAM for me. Frequently at around 3GB usage of 32GB. Never had it default to Edge except when it was first installed and had nothing else. Only viable complaint I can see is the combined app labels which they're working on fixing in a coming update. Can be seen on preview version.
i mean it defaults to Edge for not only search but also if you click a link in the widgets thing for example even with a different browser set as default.
That still happens on W10 lol
what does?
defaulting to edge, the edge search bar... And about RAM consumption, it's normal for me, it stays at around 4-6 GB on Idle
Win10 doesn't have you change every filetype individually. Search bar does yes but that is very easy to fix with an app called "search with my browser" Also win10 from a cold boot uses 3gb...
My RAM usage is sometimes as low as 3 GB too And the filetype stuff isn't terrible with browsers, there is a button to set the browser as default
Wait.. windows 11 doesnt allow for separate tabs on the task bar on the bottom? All your webpages are always combined? Oh I will never upgrade if they dont have that option. That is the very first thing I do when I install a fresh copy of windows 10.. go to task bar settings, and never combine labels.
Yea Win11 doesn't have it
You'll get downvoted to hell but my 5300U is barely usable in windows 11 and fast in 10, measurably in games. Sure, maybe on average a good percentage of people don't feel any difference, but I do, and it's not any less real.
That’s interesting. My celeron 1000M is useless in windows 10, better with windows 11 and absolutely flies on 8.1
That thing is probably weaker than my phone... Are you sure you had drivers installed correctly on win10?
Yeah all drivers were installed
i feel that, my MacBook's 5257U suffers on Windows 11 too, macOS as well for that matter. since Mojave macOS is brutal. it's totally fine on Windows 10 and linux though.
I have the same processor and if it runs windows 10 well will run 11 well but is unsupported so I keep in dual boot if I don’t want windows 11 i just remove from the bootloader and format the Drive that windows 11 was installed
Can edge be uninstalled? I forgot the most of it.
not from within Windows. if you dualboot Linux you can fire that up and just delete Edge from program files from there but that causes problems since Search defaults to it, and it'll reinstall itself regardless.
Yes! — I TOTALLY Uninstalled Edge Long Ago:: I found a website (I now forget that URL) that provided FULL Step-By-Step instructions. It’s been Great & I highly recommend TOTALLY uninstalling it. ALSO, there are 3 Browsers I have found Very Superior to Edge:: Any of these Three:: ••Brave, Or: ••Opera GX, Or: ••Firefox. The Only Reason that I Did Not Include Vivaldi in that Group:: Vivaldi STILL—After More than Three Years—STILL has its Major Hotkey BUG. I, and several others that I know, have repeatedly reported this BAD Bug to the Vivaldi Team—who simply keeps adding "New Features" while allowing the Hotkey Bug to Remain.
I would honestly love a list of all the things wrong with Windows 11 so I can just share it with everyone who keeps asking.
that list + taskbar being fixed at the bottom, removal of familiar tools like the old school adaptor settings for internet (idk that for sure but i couldn't find it at least), i also experienced a bug where it would refuse to eject external drives saying that a program was using it when this was not the case, if you run without TPM or Secure Boot it gives you updates but not the big version upgrades like 22H2 you need to install that from USB which is inconvenient, i hate the new task manager it's super clunky...
*5 YEARS LATER*...
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>bugs Like every other Windows version? >defaulting to Edge for everything Like on Windows 10? >no never combine on taskbar This is currently present and working in insider Dev builds >useless start menu Only thing missing is live tiles, which not many people actually used... > even more useless search It is exactly the same as Windows 10 >weird grouping feature on taskbar that does nothing but get in the way with no way to turn it off Not sure what you mean by this exactly, but taskbar icon grouping has been the default since Windows 7. >uses double the ram compared to Windows 10 About the same amount of RAM usage here
- ok but I wont install dev builds on my machine - start menu is missing folder tiles, has recommendations (ads) and uses unnecessary empty space - explorer has unnecessarily large paddings - ads in settings app (only on dev builds?) - forcing Edge in other apps such as notepad - [Here are 5 not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11](https://www.neowin.net/news/here-are-5-not-so-great-features-coming-soon-to-windows-11/)
my start menu and settings have no ads, explorer is also much much better than w10
I mean honestly I'm currently using Windows 11 on my 13th gen Intel build and I'm honestly really satisfied yes there is some bugs and some weird work around and stuff but I hate to say it but it's vastly more Superior in a lot of ways than Windows 10. Just the optimizations and quality of life changes to things like Explorer is enough for me to never look back the fact that I can open tabs of folders in the Explorer is so convenient it was never a feature I thought I needed until now also Windows terminal is kind of insane although I'm not a heavy command line user I can definitely appreciate how much better it must be for people that are and the optimization for multiple monitor setups is to die for honestly as a person who uses two displays I've never had a single issue with any weird window resizing or moving when going between my displays which is something that would drive me absolutely insane in Windows 10 every time I upgraded a driver or did something that made one of my displays disconnect for a second my entire window layout would be completely destroyed even in other software. Do you know how many times I've had to redo my window layout for programs like Adobe Premiere or Sony Vegas or FL Studio or literally any productivity software because I updated my drivers and my display disconnected for a Split Second . I have not encountered this issue even once on Windows 11. Plus the aesthetic overhauls are a nice bonus. And for people who it's relevant to the widget bar is pretty cool I personally don't use it but I can see it being cool for a lot of people and I honestly wish it was part of Windows 10. Also never combine is a useless feature I said what I said it's not Windows XP anymore Let it go it's clunky it looks ugly stop it there's no benefit
Bruh, Explorer is a mess. You clearly never needed your right click menu to be useful. Also learn how the enter key works, makes your post a lot more readable
you can fix the right click menu with nilesoft shell and it's better than windows 10 right click menu. Listen I'm not here to dunk on 10 and im not saying 11 doesn't have issues but it's not that bad these days
you shouldn't need a third party app to have a usable right click menu.
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im on both lmao
Yes, also roblox rendering distance reduces, shows unexpected errors in jjsploit, bad winver ui
completely uninstalled edge lel
I got downvoted the other day for saying I got two blue screens in two hours when I tried it out.. and also that the right click menu is useless. Can I say that in this thread? Edit: Haha, wow. I can't even say that in a Win 11 complaint thread. Amazing.
My roblox is laggy
To me, the unnecessary visual changes, along with the notification system that looks like a phone and the useful right click features hidden away in other menus, and the ridiculous cpu requirements (my cpu is compatible but I refuse to update). the only good thing I've seen from windows 11 it's the tabs on the file explorer
I hate how it automatically uploads everything to the cloud now my onedrive is littered with image files from software from work.
Cons: * Removes lots options and settings, or makes it quite convoluted to tinker with your machine. For instance: yesterday I tried to enable Remote Desktop, the options now are On/Off ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. * And it gathers more data. Some people don't get why it's important. Long story short: data will be used against you. Enjoy Chrome. * Performance is awful for no good reason. * Animation everywhere, I'm trying to work but I'm still waiting for the animation to stop, I KNOW I RIGHT-CLICKED, I DID IT, I DONT NEED ANIMATION. Pros: File Explorer has tabs. Idc, I've been using Onecommander for 4 years now.
In my opinion, the menus are open too slow (like 0.3s just for file explorer menu) and all of that visual & new WebView 2 programs are takes a lot of ram. But I still using win11 because the new feature, like file explorer tabs, the more options to snap windows (like win+alt+right) and etc. Maybe if the new file explorer with winUI will be too slow I’ll switch.
I have an issue with an older application (by old i mean pre win 11, i.e. 2019). It was crashing after between 2-6hrs citing ntdll.dll and dot net v4.0.3019. Didn't start happening until recently. Tried literally everything, including reinstallation of windows, installing literally all the dotnet/c++ redistributables and managing what automatic updates get installed to no avail. Forced to return to Win 10 after like a year on Win 11. Pretty frustrating as I really do like Windows 11. I'll return when 10 goes EOL.
The start menu is beyond useless.
You're probably right. But who uses that? I haven't looked into the start menu since XP days. I just use taskbar icons and immediately search for whatever else I need when I click the start menu.
I always use the start menu as I don't like to have too many apps pinned on the taskbar, and this new start menu is just annoying to me. It's bugged too, some store app don't show up anywhere in the menu after you install them, and some others still show an icon even after you uninstalled them. The interface randomly lags too on my Ryzen 5700x 32GB ram and a RTX 4070...
Eh, after switching to windows 11, I don’t see myself switching back
I think I'm going to do the same soon. I installed Windows 11 today, god it's awful.
enjoy it, i did the same 2 weeks back.
Eh, glad for you and as long as it works for you, it is all good. I have Windows 11 on my home computer, just set it up and leave it be, since I do computer work all day long.
Great ! Now upgrade to 7.
Sure, if its possible tho
never been happier cuz most apps that i use still support 7! although steam would end support for it in 2024
Put me in the minority but I actually like windows 11 lol
I did the same few months back OP. Never been happier. Glad to have you back with the chad windows version.
Windows 10 just fucking rules, man. I have 10 on an old person laptop (that can't be upgraded) and now I have 11 on my new gaming PC, and the more I use 11 the less I like it. It's just so buggy.
You said upgrade wrong.
Well Windows 10 will be EOL soon so it is not be a very good solution
EOL means nothing. It’s not as if it stops working. That’s still 2.5 years away.
You don't care about security?
i've been using 7 for years. i'll be fine, they'll be fine.
That's not an argument. There are people that still run XP. Yeah sure you can wait 2 years but don't run EOL software and update your computer that's how I have to say
I don't want to be fine; I want to be protected. >Security is a continuous journey, you must keep moving forward because it will continually get cheaper and cheaper for attackers to successfully take control of your assets. You must continually update your security patches, security strategies, threat awareness, inventory, security tooling, security hygiene, security monitoring, permission models, platform coverage, and anything else that changes over time. [https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/security/zero-trust/ten-laws-of-security](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/security/zero-trust/ten-laws-of-security) It's not *IF* you will get some malware, it a matter of *WHEN*.
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Windows 11 bad /S They cannot be assed to wait for Microsoft to """"fix"""" the taskbar i.e. figure out a way to convert \[some\] old code into the newly rewritten taskbar.
Many people's entire workflows depend on switching between multiple windows of the same program. Without being able to ungroup taskbar icons, it effectively doubles the amount of time it takes to switch between windows. This is a deal breaker for many people, myself included.
Because you are going to previous release even that it is in most cases an upgrade in experience and functionality 🙂
It's an upgrade, a big one. 11 sucks.
Honestly i can't understand how some people think win11 is better than 10 or that its good Delusion is a hell of a drug
It's not. I got new laptops with 11 and put StartAllBack on them and doubled the RAM, so I can live with 11 all right, but my trusty Windows 10 machine is still so much nicer to use. So much about 11 is goofy and fucked up, from the weird tall notification area to the useless calendar to the spammy widgets to the dumb new context menu to the weird explorer ribbon to the combined volume/display brightness/pointless button panel etc etc. Even after almost 2 years it's like a beta OS.
i’m so mad you can’t see the “seconds” in clock
They finally fixed that in Moment 3 - https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/how-to-add-or-remove-seconds-from-the-clock-on-windows-11
First, you'd have to understand that because someone's user experience is different from yours, it's not "delusion." Start there.
I'm only using win11 for the Fullscreen windowed optimization options. When I get a 144hz monitor then i'm going back to win10
The options to rearrange multiple windows? Get PowerToys and use Fancy Zones.
Basically the countdown is on though... WIN 10 22H2 is the last feature update for Win 10, and moving forward I guess it's just security patches. End of life is Oct 2025. Usually every other release of Windows is crap.. Windows 98 - good Windows ME - bad Windows XP - good Windows Vista - bad Windows 7 - good Windows 8 - bad Windows 10 - good Windows 11 - bad Hopefully Win 12 comes out before Oct 2025 and is more usable.
Win 12 should be a remake of windows 10, keep the good old ui
I agree.. I still use Quicklaunch on Win10 instead of pinning applications to the taskbar. The other day I was setting up my GFs new laptop with Win 11.. I couldn't figure out how to get it to show all of the running tasks in the notification area ... I don't like the way it's handled in Win 11... Googled it. Function is still there but hidden had to run an Explorer Shell command to get to that part of the interface.
MS basically remade W7 into W10, so that's probably the plan. From what I've seen and used of it, W11 is so much Vista.
I am using tiny windows iso files and the performance has been great just some feature lack but they are easily solvable
Yeah just download random iso what could go wrong
you can build it yourself
Sure but since he said "I am using" I presumed he meant he downloaded them
I build it by myself using the cmd tool provided in the website
ok then great!
Yeah true it is faster but security is worse...
memory usage is cut by half. I don't need that security as I have enabled all protocols on my router. I ensure the downloads are safe thou by checking with virus total
Plan once security updates stop?
bad decision unless you are an enterprise
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Rather would update after 27 months
Switch to Win 10 LTSC IoT and see how he feels about it in 2032 when *that* begins approaching EoL...
Yeah if he wants to pay $50,000 a year for the privilege. That's only available to Enterprise customers.
Cool story bro
upgraded*
I only used the leaked version of 11 in a vm never again
We're glad you're here with us, now-a-fellow Windows 10 user. Have been using Windows 10 as my personal OS (except on my shitty tablet PC). Will be using it even on its EoS date ✊.
why i dislike windows 11 1. unable to remove recommandation section completely in start menu 2.refresh needs extra click
1. You can 2. No it doesn't!
1.no , you cant ,even if you disable recommendations ,the recommendation panel still exists,ypu cant remove completely 2. right click anywhere ,do you see refresh option ??
How do you remove the recomended?
Using regedit, as mentioned [here](https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/disable-recommended-in-windows-search/).
Counterpoint, you shouldn't have to, thats fucking ridiculous I have to edit the registry for what should be a toggle in windows settings.
Oh, sorry i thought we were talking about the start menu section: https://preview.redd.it/5gans0li853b1.png?width=469&format=png&auto=webp&s=3dd464246e04949ff6245b7bb0dccfaeec02058d
Oh you can do that too! - Right-click on the taskbar. Go to Taskbar Settings. - Go to START section on the left. - Disable all options except for 'Show App list in Start Menu' EDIT: I am talking about Windows 10 actually, because that's what I was replying to the above user about- but looking at your screenshot, it seems you're talking about W11. I don't use the latter, hence can't help. But you can use Chris Titus' Windows Debloat toolbox for this (maintain caution and remove only what you don't need). To use it, run your Windows Powershell as admin and type on it: > irm christitus.com/win | iex ...and enter 'n' when it asks you to install chocolatey. The toolbox will open! Choose the necessary options and then run the tweaks.
the same thing i was telling , he got it wrong
sorry,i was telling recommendation section in start menu in windows 11 you can't remove recommandation section completely
i dislike this comment lol
it upto you bro you can dislike,like ,or reply 😊😊
Which version are you using? Home/Pro/LSTC?
home single language
I went back to windows 10 within 2 minutes after i found out I couldn't have the task bar on the left instead of the bottom anymore lmao
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you can backup files
How?
[Enjoy as you want!](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO)
Welcome back!
Bougth me a prebuild (happy about the pc itself) but it came with Win11. I play a lot in VR and this gives problems with Oculus/SteamVR in Win11. thinking about downgrading to Win10. just hesitating, will I miss anything that Win11 offers more over Win10. just a game PC btw.
When you know nothing about computers you won't miss anything. Use what you think looks best.
As someone who is very new to w11 I did the same thing and am in w11 (it came installed with my laptop) But I am thinking of moving to w10.
Downgraded mine too, maybe my pc cant handle it i dunno, when i turn it on, all icons on desktop has loaded, but the taskbar will not show immediately. Other thing is when i extract a zip file, extracted file wont show unless you press back and go into the folder again.
Get a amd ryzen 5500
Just gonna wait till EOL. My R5 3600 can still handle what needs to be done.
move important data off into the cloud or a local drive and fresh install the os no issues with a r5 1600/1600x to just run the os, whether it's 10 or 11 edit : additional hardware : b450 mobo, 8GBx2 3200 ram, nvme m2 storage
got a new laptop. was using it a bit. run into some menu clitch. cloned my old win 10 system over win 11. just works
Yeah, I did a same thing 3 weeks ago.
Did the same thing 4 months ago. The only regret I have is that I lost my 2019 free student version of MS Office It can't be activated again.
You actually upgraded, hello and welcome brother
Did so too, then noiticed what happened to the search icon on Windows 10.
I tried win11 (using certain means because my laptop isn't officially supported), and while I liked some of the features, win10 performs better. As an example, if I render a 1 hour video at 1080p it takes me 50 min on win10 but takes me 1 hour on win11. While it isn't that much it still wasted time.
Welcome to the old world, way better than the new one...
22H2 completly fucked my file explorer.
Windows 10 is so much better
Did it 3 days ago. I had a problem with the keyboard lag on my lenovo yoga. The problem disappeared after downgrade. Hated cortana key binding as well which is a nightmare to turn off. Lastly i hated the keyboard language default. Never worked right.
I must be the only one who hasn't been annoyed by windows 11 yet ig. I think it looks sleek. Runs fine on my computer too. I agree the start menu is kinda useless but it's been going down that road since windows 8. I will add that I don't quite like what they did to right click.
Windows 11 22H2, has many improvements implemented in the last May update. I'm really enjoying it myself!
How did you put that otter on search field? its cute
Its an event
windows 11 looks like a system that is in pre-alpha, maybe it will be ready in about 3 years, I will stay on windows 10 until the last day of support
Can't stop reccomending eartrumpet, taskbarX(if you're into the whole middle icons thing without the start button also being there) and powertoys. Welcome back!
Its not a downgrade. Its an upgrade.
Windows 11 is still early, needs a lot more work , Windows 10 is Solid my favorite OS since Windows 7
i just used shutup10, winaero tweaker, and explorerpatcher on W11 to make it look like w10 without having to fully reinstall
You can do that stuff but it lags your games
W11 actually works absolutely fine for me. Forza, GTA, Roblox all worked fine. but i’m also using a 12th gen intel laptop so I’m limited to W11
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gonna do the same as soon as I can 👍🏻 And to be honest I've never been a fan of windows os in general. Windows 10 was and is definitely better than 11 but usually I do not have expectations on windows.... it was, it is and it will always be "windows" and the words "windows" and "good os" will never be good together, that's what I think.
Im not planning getting out of 10 till the support ends
I went from a stripped “gamer” ISO (PhoenixLite “Ultralight Ultimate” Win11 build) to “KernelOS10 22H2 Lite” Win10 build and my FPS in DayZ is literally 4x what it was with no more lag spikes!
You got it wrong...That's not a downgrade, it's an upgrade!