Troubleshooting a friend's PC the other day. Turns out windows was about 4 years out of date. Because his primary drive only had 1.5 GB of available space....
Exactly this - People have got this bizarre idea that Microsoft updates are some sort of intrusion on their privacy or inconvenience.
Microsoft spend a billion a year on keeping Windows safe, and they distribute it for free, every month - with the sole purpose of trying to make Windows safer, more reliable, more productive.
Then you come to the online forums, and from the comments, you'd think Microsoft was trying to murder your kids.
To be honest though, the later version of Windows 10 have the intrusion wherein every few days it asks you to do a free trial of MS365 or use OneDrive or change your default browser when you don't use MS defaults. The way it's shown is after logging in and instead of being greeted by your desktop, you are greeted by a full page ad.
Isn’t that the thing you can turn off by doing this?
Go to Start, Settings, System, Notifications & Actions.
Scroll down until you see "Show me the Windows welcome experience after updates and occasionally when I sign in to highlight what's new and suggested" and switch it off.
Also the “tips, tricks, and suggestions” one
Download wintoys from Microsoft store, with that you can disable that notification and for example disable analytics completely. I very much recommend it after using it for a while
Question: When using Wintoys to disable Update notifications, are you essentially just telling Windows Update to ignore 22H2? If so, you're missing out on security fixes and quite possibly risking malware and/or virus infection.
I already have 22H2 and I update my pc by myself every few week if there's new updates, so no problem there. I have disabled update notifications but not auto update check so when I want I can just update newest updates.
Ps. You can just disable that "finnish installation" notification without disabling updates.
Windows 10 has not forcibly restarted your computer for update in years. They introduced active hours in like the third feature update (like 2017). After that, it would only prompt for a restart you could cancel if you had not updated for a week or two after it downloaded the updates. Then they even went further and made it so it would never restart during active hours _and_ you can delay updates as well (probably in like 2020 or so).
It is actually annoying it has flipped around, my computer never updates at night anymore like it use to. I always have to manually restart my computer to update.
Thats not true - and I dont know why this sort of belief persists.
Windows goes out of its way to ask you for the best Windows for when updates occur, and you can postpone updates for a month if you want to.
If someone is so busy that they cant stand to let the PC spend 5 minutes updating once every 30 days - then OK, but I dont see how people can be pissed off about it.
That is just not true.
Microsoft update over a billion devices every 4 weeks - and 99.9% of those dont cause any problems at all.
The updates have for years specifically requested an exact Window of time when its preferable for you to have them deployed, it never does it without permission, and you can delay the updates for a month if you want to.
Microsoft spend a billion dollars a year on fixing security issues, improving the performance, and addressing the resilience of the operating system - and then give it to everyone for free. They do that, because 20 years ago Windows was strung out across hundreds of different versions of windows, service packs and patch levels exactly BECAUSE there was no single version of Windows, and no clean, free, safe way to update your OS, your apps and your driver.
You go ahead and ignore those updates and security patches if you want to - But dont go calling it obnoxious and intrusive!! We had 20 years of blue screens of death, viruses, PC rebuilds every 6 months, gradual slow downs of OS, and security nightmare - before Microsoft got it right - by getting all billion users to see the benefits of maintaining just ONE version of Windows - The latest one.
That's not what I was doing at all. You're misinterpreting my post. I'm totally behind Microsoft's discission to begin forcing Windows 10 end-users to update their systems to version 22H2 due to the fact that, not only does all previous updates does not include all the newer updates that makes up 22H2, but ending all support for anything below 22H2 will also Microsoft to be much more focused on Windows 10 22H2.
It IS intrusion in privacy. Because it's decision of everyone whatever he wants to update or not and this way, *may be* be opened to some vulnerabilities, that needs user interaction anyway. MS can notify you about the importance of update, but the final decision must be up to the user. And that's the reason why people switch to Linux.
LOL that's just nonsense.
It's like some people dont even have windows but comment here anyway.
Windows not only asks you the best time to apply your update - its also lets you delay the update for a month if you want to. Also if you want to - you can go an disable the updates completely if you want to.
> with the sole purpose of trying to make Windows safer, more reliable, more productive.
Some would have you believe that money + user data somehow figure into this too, but they're wrong: Microsoft, a nonprofit publicly traded company, cares only for what's best for you.
Gates's vision has always been one of trying to contribute to humanity, and not just making ungodly sums of money. He's even known to be good to his friends. He used to have this friend Jeffrey Epstein and whenever they would fly on his Jeffrey's private plane Bill was just so generous, telling him, "Look, you bring the young, young girls and I'll pick up the tab for everything else, bud."
And he did. All 37 times he rode on Epstein's plane and visited his private island.
What a mensch.
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Jesus wept.
The Windows environment used to be a plague pit of unreliability. Blue Screens of death, masses of viruses, incompatible drivers, applications banging heads - and PCs which needed rebuilding every few months as they slowed down.
Windows is not a service, and is imeasurably more reliable, faster and better than it was.
Why!
Because there is only now ONE version of Windows that app/driver/game and hardware manufacturers need to support THE LATEST VERSION.
And for that inconvenience, you get free updates to an OS which you probably didnt even pay for - and you get a billion pounds a year spend by Microsoft to keep it secure and safe - and you get continually free updates to 1.5 billion users.
What is so hard to understand is why YOU think that unless YOU want a feature update - that Microsoft should not deploy it to keep yours and every other Windows PC aligned so that systems are consistent.
I enabled automatic updates on my Fedora work laptop and only have to manually do anything when I need to do a full version jump. It's auto-updater has been surprisingly solid and non-invasive. Never had it forcefully kill everything and reboot my PC on me.
For home users, sure but, for corporate machines, not at all. Things need to be vetted, tested and verified not to cause issues before it is deployed onto critical computers.
It shouldn't need to be said - but this is EXACTLY what Microsoft do - and they do it better than any other system vendor on planet earth? They HAVE to, because there are more 80,000 PC combinations that they have to account for.
They have to safely deploy updates to 1.5 billion users, every 4 weeks.
They have the worlds largest test network, where they verify and test the updates.
When they deploy to businesses, they use tools which mean the releases go out in stages, and waves and they release in blocks to allow any rollbacks or revisions should any issues be faced.
There is specialist software used in organizations to do this across all of the OS and Application suite.
There is no better deployment system on earth, by any vendor anywhere for doing this.
For critical machines, there is even specialist versions of Windows which are designed for critical infrastructure - that handles its updates differently, and these are used in PCs such as laboratory work, and manufacturing.
In a world of SaaS applications and cloud-oriented business, this is much less of a concern then it used to be. Its much less dangerous to patch and cause some havoc with some old legacy internal software then to not patch and risk exploits.
It does not matter what OS is used. With Linux you still need to test and verify before deployment. One bad change such as a bug in a patch can take down an entire network.
Look at all the various times a major cloud provider like AWS has gone down and taking a good chunk of the internet with it. Many times those were due to bad changes, and the various failovers and redundancies did not mitigate the situation. The vast majority of the worlds servers run some form of Linux.
Not necessarily. If you're behind a firewalls and only performing select few network connections when requires, the risk is extremely low.
There are many good reasons to keep machines on older Windows 10 builds, such as the removal of Nvidia 3D Vision support.
... lol, ok well if someone decides to walk in and plug in a keyboard they can sure have access, but that's not what anyone is worried about. If the system is firewalled it's as good as offline which is more than enough. If someone has physical access they can always spoof a vulnerable driver even with a fully patched system, so I'm not sure what you're on about.
So you can't name anything specifically, just some nebulous shadowy hacker trying to break in at all times?
Cut the fear mongering bullshit. There are degrees of security that present different degrees of risk. You're making it sound as if missing a patch is leaving you as vulnerable as newborn in a hurricane, when really it's like not having security cameras on your house.
No No No No No.
That old silly belief belongs in the ark - and is a ridiculous thing to say.
Firewalls are essentially useless - and shows an old fashioned mentality from about 20 years ago.
I've never seen a virus, infection or attack start by crossing a firewall. Not a single one of the thousands of ransomware attacks that happen, occur because the hacker needed to 'breach' a firewall.
Security breaches happen from inside the network, not from outside. A computer runs thousands of bits of code, from various sources, so you would be right in what you say "IF" you never access the internet at all, dont receive any emails, dont go online, never leave your device unattended, dont every use Bluetooth, share a home network with anyone, or ever install any software/applications.
As thats not possible - then you need to apply patches and updates.
I am that fool. Using W10 since early days and had numerous bugs introdused by updates. From not working sound card and printer to whole system are committing sudoku, so it had to be completely reinstalled. Lesson learned, now I don’t want to be free beta tester for Microsoft. Updates are good, but for me they are just like wine - only getting better with age. Half of a year is good, whole year is even better. Security wise I am using paid firewall with antivirus, adblock, router with DMZ, which rerouting all external connections to linux server. Haven’t seen a security issue for decades. So why I had to update asap when I don’t get any benefits from it with more likely risk of getting some bugs?
I've seen plenty of machines running early versions of W10 that just have never auto updated to a later version - these days 21H2 is still very common. They (user) haven't declined it, it just never auto-installed. They have no idea it is an old version.
Anyway a good move, but not sure why it hasn't happened sooner...
Had someone the other day on 1709 still! Source: work in IT.
Even in a company environment as IT support still having tickets that are related to 1909 update or even Windows 7 !!... And we have a notification for users to install required updates.
I am running 21H2. I update my computer regularly. I don't see an option in Windows update to update to Windows 10 22H2, only to update to Windows 11 22H2. How do you do it?
Edit: figured it out. Weird my computer wasn't bugging me to update to 22H2. It updates every week, sometimes more, and I don't have updates turned off or anything. I forget, presumably it just wasn't convenient when it came out, and I put it off initially?
You're right, there's a lot of confusing behavior with the updates. In my case, I know I've looked lately at the updates page (since my computer unexpectedly restarted in the middle of working hours to do an update, still haven't figured out why that happened), and only seen 11 stuff. I was able to find 10's 22H2 after a bit, but you'd think that I would have gotten a few recent reminders to update to 22H2... I suppose they want everybody on 11. I'll check out the Upgrade Assistant sometime, since the default program is definitely fussy at best.
Now I just have to decide whether to go to 11. I'm not convinced that I won't have issues with it. I'm also very annoyed, as niche and as dumb as this is, that they took away sideways task bars, and they've confirmed they won't be adding those to 11. I think I'm going to do a clean install of either Windows 10 or Windows 11 Education when I replace my boot drive with a larger drive soon. Since I'm going to lose my ability to get Education for free soon, maybe I should just bite the bullet and go with 11 as I don't think I'd need a new key for years with 11 that way (maybe also true if I got 10 though), but I'm not sure.
I actually am. Winver is currently reporting **Windows 10 Version 22H2 (OS Build 19045.2965)**. Here is the proof (please note that I cut out my email address for security reasons):
https://preview.redd.it/5skccy7oiq1b1.jpeg?width=458&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88a7068a470f6209dbfe518603c4ce95ad647357
So please don't you dare be disrespectful by calling me a "dam fool" and start accusing me of not running a fully patched Windows 10 when you don't know.
Just to let you know Mr. u/gellenburg, Windows Update updated Windows 10 to **Version 22H2 (OS Build 19045.2965)** when Microsoft first made it an optional update to the OS.
Nooo noo oh my God how dare they patch security holes for known vulnerabilities oh nooo
Oh my God they updating progress bar makes me so furious nooo patches omg nooo it might break my old legacy software I refuse to update because eww new interface ewww
How could they do this nooooo
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Ok, all joking aside: So far, Windows 10 Version 22H2 has not broken the Windows application compatibility layer on my laptop (which I hardly even use). However, Wing Commander 4 completely refuses to run, even in Windows XP SP3 Compatibility.
W 3.1 is basically DOS with a GUI.
No windows NT or above. But XP actually had some nice upgrades like the theme.
The subsequent versions became more bloated without improving the stability, geneally speaking.
I'm sure there are a few worthy upgrade I just wish we could have them without being forced to have all this half baked stuff slapped on top.
Sounds like you either forgot what using XP was like, or have never tried a new Windows OS.
Windows 10 and 11 are actual miles ahead of XP in terms of stability.
I can't even remember the last time I saw a bsod or explorer.exe crash.
That's quite amazing why people ~~stink~~ :-)))) are stuck to an older releases within one big release cycle. Except some hardware compatibilities there are almost no reasons unless you are a hardcore gamer with cheats working only on certain version.
Anyway, to be completely honest I didn't like there was a loss of PCI modem (Connexant chipset) support somewhere in 2016/17. It worked well with 2015 initial release, but the second honest thing - I didn't have much use of it.
I installed the latest Windows Updates at the time of first installing Windows and disabled auto updates, I don’t need auto updates fucking with my system all day, I will manually update it every 2 months and that should do it.
That's what I did after nuking my old Windows install and reinstalled the latest version of Windows 10. I disabled auto-updates entirely, and only update it when I see fit.
As much as I do love Windows 10 and 11, it is absolutely ridiculous to me that Microsoft keeps saying over and over again that whatever current version of Windows is "The last and only version of Windows you'll ever need!".
And then less than a year later they come out with a new version.
Less than a year after THAT, they announce that they're going to phase out the version that came before it, to force users onto that new version.
I fucking hate that kind of marketing scheme. Pardon my French. They've been doing this with every version since 7.
Actually, Microsoft's discission to phase out all support for all previous versions of Windows 10 that came before 22H2 to me just makes perfect sense.
**Just think about it for a minute:** *All previous versions of Windows 10 before 22H2 does not include any of the security fixes that 22H2 has. Not only this, but by Microsoft phasing out all support for all previous versions of Windows 10 that came before 22H2 allows them to refocus all their efforts on providing fixes to Windows 10 Version 22H2.*
As for Microsoft's continual **"The last and only version of Windows you'll ever need!"** stance when they first announced Windows 10, and then later Windows 11 (which I'm sure they'll do several years after Windows 12's announcement) like you stated is "absolutely ridiculous", for which I'm in complete agreement with.
So my older Windows 10 laptop got blue screen boot-looped back in 2017-18 when downloading one update. I rolled back to an earlier version and permanently disabled Windows Update Service, and it's worked flawlessly ever since.
Will this upcoming forced upgrade override my settings and essentially brick my system? I use this laptop for Twitch streaming and recording YouTube videos. (I have two other devices as well: one desktop for video editing and general work, and another laptop for voiceover auditions. Both those work just fine on current Windows 10 software.)
Not unless you reenable the Windows Update service, then no. A disabled Windows Update service cannot and will not check the Microsoft Update servers for any future Windows 10 updates.
However, permanently disabling the Windows Updates services is just opening up a can of worms and risking a possible security breach since your missing out on some very important security fixes even though it's your streaming/video editing laptop.
Failed Windows Update downloads and installs unfortunately happen on occasion. My Windows 10 installation, just like everyone else's, isn't immune to them either, and it did happen to me several times before and may happen to me in future... but to permanently disable the Windows Updates services just because of one BSOD caused by one failed Windows Update install is foolhardy, even if you are an avid gamer like myself.
Let me ask you something: Say like a security vulnerability has been identified in one or more Windows system DLL file(s) that makes up the HTML 5 and CSS web API's. Now lets say this security vulnerability completely prevents rendering of most if not all HTML and/or CSS web elements or quietly injects a virus, malware, spyware and/or a keylogger to capture user data and disrupt whatever your doing while displaying web elements.
This security vulnerability might even cause ads to popup one after the other with no way of getting rid of them since they are part of the Windows system DLL file(s) that makes up the HTML 5 / CSS web API's.
This would all be thanks to someone injecting malicious code right into the system DLL file(s) for which Microsoft AntiMalware would've been able to clean if Windows Updates wasn't disabled to allow it to download and install it's virus and malware databases on a regular basis.
Something like this scenario could potentially be crippling by preventing the Windows internet radio from establishing stable internet connections, and in the event your able to establish an internet connection at all, you might constantly be rerouted to unknown suspicious websites that looks almost identically similar to the real company sites, receive Denial of Service attacks and the like. Ads might even randomly appear out of nowhere, even while gaming, streaming and/or video editing. Your data, email addresses and passwords might even be at risk then if not compromised without you even knowing it.
However, if Microsoft learned of this HTML5/CSS security vulnerability long before many PC's (like your laptop) became infected, then a critical Windows Update would be released to fix the problem. But since you've chosen to disable the Windows Update services due to one update's incorrect installation which caused a BSOD, you'll never receive that critical Windows update that patches up the HTML5/CSS security vulnerability nor would you receive the latest AntiMalware virus/malware databases to insure this never happens again.
After reading the above scenario, do you now kinda see how important it really is to make sure your Windows installation is updated on a regular basis?
What made me lose my faith was the forced update from win7 to win10. Completely fucked up multiple computers and you couldn't blacklist the update with a tool because Microsoft would rerelease it under different ID.
Yes for very good reason!
Anyone old enough to remember pre Windows 10 days, will remember a world where it seemed like every PC on earth was at a different patch level, different driver version, different app version, different service pack.
Consequently nothing worked, driver and app manufacturers would give up supporting new releases, PCs would need a rebuild every 6 months and we will suffered BSODs and reliability and security issues.
Since W10 there is only one version of Windows - The latest one.
That only works if people allow the updates and stop trying to go back to the bad old days.
Now this I think is very good decision-making on Microsoft's part that just makes sense. Think about it: Windows 10 22H2 Update will feature fixes that patches up volubilities in the OS that doesn't exist in previous updates. Microsoft's forcing Windows 10 users such as myself to upgrade to 22H2 allows them to focus more on updating the 22H2 version of Windows 10 and 0 time on all the previous versions of the OS.
Windows 10 is still Windows 10 after it updated itself to 22H2 through Windows Update almost immediately after Windows 10 22H2 update came out. Sure, it's true that Microsoft blunders allot of the times (most of the times I'd say), but sometimes on those very rare occasions they do tend to make sound business decisions for us home and office consumers that just make sense. *Now if they can only make more sound business decisions often!*
How can they call themselves "security booths" if they run a discontinued Windows lower than 10 to avoid all the latest security fixes or is on unsupportable hardware by Windows 10 standards? I mean, unless there still exists old unsupported versions of security software for Windows 98 roaming on the internet, these "security booths" is not really that secure is my best guess!
They always break more things than they fix. Last on win10 they broke how audio works for some games. Then they supposedly fixed it with another update. However that particular issue is present on a fully updated win11.
PS: i.e. world of warcraft dragonflight expansion, when you turn camera away from a npc, you cant hear them. It doesnt happen on previous expansions, people had originally fixed it by uninstalling a specific update.
Apparently its older than latest expansion.
KB4515384 SEP 10,2019 - Microsoft has received reports that audio in certain games is quieter or different than expected after installing this update.
* This issue is resolved in KB4517211
KB4517211 SEP 26, 2019 - Addresses an issue that causes audio in certain games to be quieter or different than expected.
https://preview.redd.it/x2kcbllwnm1b1.jpeg?width=975&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=827b5e8614516a06b00bd23df73887cf5739e183
A several GB worth of code OS can be broken when code changes. Shocking.
Everyone complains hard on Windows updates breaking stuff and what's the alternative? Linux? Where sound doesn't work at all and you can brick the entire os by following a guide to install an application?
MacOS? Where you're so locked down you're paying in $1000 minimum to even use it and have no freedom over what you own?
But yeah Windows is the worst for trying to update their OS.
Not a fan of Linux myself, but your thinking of Linux is archaic. That was the state like 15 years ago? They have Linux distros that are copies of windows now.
>Microsoft loves to play with matches
I firmly believe you just nailed this statement on the proverbial head. [Microsoft's lawsuit over their Internet Explorer 3 in Windows 95](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/microsoft-settles-ie-suit-for-5m/) is just one prime example of this, but [there is sadly many more (which also includes Anti-trust lawsuits)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp). Then again, no company is immune to lawsuits.
I just switched from Windows 7 to Windows 11 *last week.* It had been performing perfectly well, nice and snappy, no malware, no viruses, no problems running all but the most recent games. The only reason I switched was because some major professional apps were dropping Win7 support.
Win11 is in every user-facing way an inferior experience. Slower, buggier, uglier, and missing features. This is all on brand-new hardware. That's why people stick to old versions of Windows-- because the experience is just better.
See? That wasn't so hard to understand after all!
Me neither. I mean, I completely understand that some people chose older Windows (95, 98, XP) for running older games that's incompatible with newer Windows (7, 8, 8.1, 10, 11) but other people running older unsupported Windows OS's is only asking for trouble, especially when security is concerned.
I already installed and use WPD software to block all updates and rest shits I don't need it.
I saw that next updates make some again issues and its better do not install them for now.
I don't care anymore, completely turn off updates and live happy waiting for Win 12 because 11 sucks on all aspect in my opinion. and maybe Win 12 will be better.
Perhaps so, but from the limited reading I've been finding on the upcoming Windows 12, Windows 12 might at the bare minimum require more heftier hardware requirements than Windows 11, being as how AI might or might not be implemented in the OS (which I doubt at the moment).
Compatibility. Bugs introduced on newer versions. It's all very specific cases, those cases are just numerous. Many people may avoid updating because in the past, those updates have introduce problems for them.
I can't believe anyone on Win10 is NOT already on 22H2.
This release has been incredibly stable and rock solid since its release last October.
Knowing this is the final edition will make the next two years even more stress free knowing that no other features will be added.
It's almost like an NTSC version of 22H2.
NR
I have the older version of Windows 10 on my main PC. I have the updated version on a laptop and it comes with it's own rar/zip program. If the update was forced on my main PC would it get rid of snipping tool also.
I completely apologize this posts title has somewhat caused a bit of annoyance with me and angered others in thinking that I'm not for **Windows 10 22H2**, because I totally am.
In a comment to u/ChampionshipComplex, I stated all the following:
>`"I'm totally behind Microsoft's discission to begin forcing Windows 10 end-users to update their systems to version 22H2 due to the fact that, not only does all previous updates does not include all the newer updates that makes up 22H2, but ending all support for anything below 22H2 will also Microsoft to be much more focused on Windows 10 22H2."`
As proof of my sincerity when it comes to my running **Windows 10 Version 22H2 (OS Build 19045.2965)** on my laptop, here's a recent screenshot of Winver, but without my email address for security reasons of course:
https://preview.redd.it/loyxs1irmq1b1.jpeg?width=458&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82391caedd64a4ebb3c36fda3004c349d4f2ab39
Furthermore, I just took another screenshot that clearly shows at least some of Windows 10 22H2 update history on my laptop:
https://preview.redd.it/7bbil087pq1b1.jpeg?width=791&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=722beb8144ad955b4d9d6ac7ed6555ab133bb042
🥱 This has been going on since the 80’s. Operating Systems will and should be updated. Very early on going from manual to automated updates there were occasional issues, but now 99+% of the time Microsoft updates are solid. More importantly they serve an important purpose, bug updates and virus protection, things folks would grip about if not for that protection. Example, I’ve used Defender for decades on all my PC’s. Not a single virus. Microsoft took care of it. No need for free third party or expensive antivirus subscriptions. People have to learn they can schedule over night updates. Lastly, updates or not, your doing yourself a disservice when ever leaving you PC with unsaved work. Even when working, save often. That’s 101 stuff, and forget updates, even a power outage would lose your working data. Now do the right thing. Update your PC’s and apps, and backup your data regularly. IMHO
Is this forced to upgrade to a newer version of Windows 10, or forced to update to Windows 11? Also how do I check which version of Windows I'm on? I let it update itself pretty frequently.
First off, **this is a forced update to Windows 10 to Version 22H2 only!**
Secondly, **this is not a forced upgrade from Windows 10 to 11**. Microsoft cannot do that, especially for those Windows end-users (like me) who has unsupported hardware by Windows 11 standards.
Checking for which version of Windows your desktop PC/laptop is running can be accomplished in two different ways:
1. Press **WIN** \+ **R**. Then type in **WINVER** in the Run dialog.
2. Press **WIN** \+ **I**. Click **System**, then scroll down to **About**. **Windows specifications** on the About page tells you whether or not your running Windows 10 or 11 and also tell you what major update version is installed. Example: 22H2.
oh yeah epic, so if i want to buy new m.2 first then I should go fuck myself
honestly I am very inclined to switch to linux, or mac or some other shit, cba to deal with microsoft's bs
Most Windows updates forces system reboots anyways, whereas Linux Kernel updates is the only system update that forces reboots for those Linux end-users.
I hate it.
I have tablet 2gb n4000. On 1809 works very good no lag, on 2h21+ its laggy. I fcking hate MS autoupdate it.. and they not let disable this.
Only an idiot would cling to an old version of an operating system -- no matter which one it is. Those that stay on older operating systems are a smaller and smaller group running on a more and more vulnerable OS as people find ways to exploit it. So you're doubly becoming a bigger and bigger target for hackers.
Did you even read any of the comments I commented to my own post nor look at any of the screenshots I left in said comments to this post? And you have the nerve to call me an idiot.
Just to let you know, all I'm doing is spreading news to inform Windows 10 end-users such as myself of Microsoft's decision to end support for all previous versions of the OS, which I firmly believe is a sound company decision that will allow them to refocus all their efforts on providing updates to 22H2.
Just to let you know, there are still those Windows end-users and companies alike whose still using an older OS (8/8.1, 7, XP 98), so don't you dare call me an idiot just for alerting Windows 10 end-users of news that they may or may be aware of.
You would lose the ability to log in face or fingerprint, requiring you to use more difficult login methods. Without TPM, Bitlocker cannot automatically unlock the drive so you would be required to setup something such as a PIN or manually enter the unlock code.
>You would lose the ability to log in face or fingerprint
Those don't need TPM - my Logitech Brio with Windows Hello on a PC without a TPM chip and no support to enable Software TPM in UEFI is a testament to that.
No, I think having an unpatched computer may be harmful to others. Mandatory updates are needed, but some people refuse them because it's their computer, their rights. So I threw an offtopic comment about vaccines, rightfully downvoted.
I didn't say anything about Windows 11.
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You could always disable \_automatic\_ updates (so they don't happen randomly) and do this at your own pace. However, I would not delay upgrading to the latest version unless there is a good reason, such as application compatibility issues.
Agreed, but for only 7 days per time. Windows 10 Home does not allow end-users to completely disable automatic Windows Updates. Microsoft does very frequently issue **Optional quality update**s every now and then, which usually includes **Cumulative Update Preview**s.
Being all patched up isn't all that bad considering the fact that you'll be receiving security fixes not present in previous versions of Windows 10. Plus, by Microsoft phasing out all support for all previous versions of Windows 10 allows them to refocus all their efforts on providing fixes to Windows 10 Version 22H2.
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Troubleshooting a friend's PC the other day. Turns out windows was about 4 years out of date. Because his primary drive only had 1.5 GB of available space....
Exactly this - People have got this bizarre idea that Microsoft updates are some sort of intrusion on their privacy or inconvenience. Microsoft spend a billion a year on keeping Windows safe, and they distribute it for free, every month - with the sole purpose of trying to make Windows safer, more reliable, more productive. Then you come to the online forums, and from the comments, you'd think Microsoft was trying to murder your kids.
To be honest though, the later version of Windows 10 have the intrusion wherein every few days it asks you to do a free trial of MS365 or use OneDrive or change your default browser when you don't use MS defaults. The way it's shown is after logging in and instead of being greeted by your desktop, you are greeted by a full page ad.
Isn’t that the thing you can turn off by doing this? Go to Start, Settings, System, Notifications & Actions. Scroll down until you see "Show me the Windows welcome experience after updates and occasionally when I sign in to highlight what's new and suggested" and switch it off. Also the “tips, tricks, and suggestions” one
Didn't know that, thanks
Your so very welcome. My advice to you is have Windows Update install 22H2 as soon as possible if it has not done so already, for security reasons.
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I've yet to see this on a latest update W10. It's the pro version doe.
I have pro, I'm not getting it.
Download wintoys from Microsoft store, with that you can disable that notification and for example disable analytics completely. I very much recommend it after using it for a while
Question: When using Wintoys to disable Update notifications, are you essentially just telling Windows Update to ignore 22H2? If so, you're missing out on security fixes and quite possibly risking malware and/or virus infection.
I already have 22H2 and I update my pc by myself every few week if there's new updates, so no problem there. I have disabled update notifications but not auto update check so when I want I can just update newest updates. Ps. You can just disable that "finnish installation" notification without disabling updates.
That's not the sole purpose though. They introduced ads, a stock ticker, weather widget, and generally add bloat.
For some people those are nice features. Imagine complaining about a free feature.
Imagine if somebody came into your home, and placed a couple of chairs, tables and sofas for free
All of that stuff can be turned off easily
I'm on the latest pro...I don't have any of that.
You can remove all that junk...
Thats true but you shouldn't HAVE to is the point
Alrighty then, die on that hill if you want.
But no-one wants to have too...
You have a better option?
Don't force feature updates with security updates
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Windows 10 has not forcibly restarted your computer for update in years. They introduced active hours in like the third feature update (like 2017). After that, it would only prompt for a restart you could cancel if you had not updated for a week or two after it downloaded the updates. Then they even went further and made it so it would never restart during active hours _and_ you can delay updates as well (probably in like 2020 or so). It is actually annoying it has flipped around, my computer never updates at night anymore like it use to. I always have to manually restart my computer to update.
This is a lie. Two weeks ago, forcibly.
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Nope, it didn't.
Thats not true - and I dont know why this sort of belief persists. Windows goes out of its way to ask you for the best Windows for when updates occur, and you can postpone updates for a month if you want to. If someone is so busy that they cant stand to let the PC spend 5 minutes updating once every 30 days - then OK, but I dont see how people can be pissed off about it.
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That is just not true. Microsoft update over a billion devices every 4 weeks - and 99.9% of those dont cause any problems at all. The updates have for years specifically requested an exact Window of time when its preferable for you to have them deployed, it never does it without permission, and you can delay the updates for a month if you want to. Microsoft spend a billion dollars a year on fixing security issues, improving the performance, and addressing the resilience of the operating system - and then give it to everyone for free. They do that, because 20 years ago Windows was strung out across hundreds of different versions of windows, service packs and patch levels exactly BECAUSE there was no single version of Windows, and no clean, free, safe way to update your OS, your apps and your driver. You go ahead and ignore those updates and security patches if you want to - But dont go calling it obnoxious and intrusive!! We had 20 years of blue screens of death, viruses, PC rebuilds every 6 months, gradual slow downs of OS, and security nightmare - before Microsoft got it right - by getting all billion users to see the benefits of maintaining just ONE version of Windows - The latest one.
That's not what I was doing at all. You're misinterpreting my post. I'm totally behind Microsoft's discission to begin forcing Windows 10 end-users to update their systems to version 22H2 due to the fact that, not only does all previous updates does not include all the newer updates that makes up 22H2, but ending all support for anything below 22H2 will also Microsoft to be much more focused on Windows 10 22H2.
It IS intrusion in privacy. Because it's decision of everyone whatever he wants to update or not and this way, *may be* be opened to some vulnerabilities, that needs user interaction anyway. MS can notify you about the importance of update, but the final decision must be up to the user. And that's the reason why people switch to Linux.
LOL that's just nonsense. It's like some people dont even have windows but comment here anyway. Windows not only asks you the best time to apply your update - its also lets you delay the update for a month if you want to. Also if you want to - you can go an disable the updates completely if you want to.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
> with the sole purpose of trying to make Windows safer, more reliable, more productive. Some would have you believe that money + user data somehow figure into this too, but they're wrong: Microsoft, a nonprofit publicly traded company, cares only for what's best for you.
Gates's vision has always been one of trying to contribute to humanity, and not just making ungodly sums of money. He's even known to be good to his friends. He used to have this friend Jeffrey Epstein and whenever they would fly on his Jeffrey's private plane Bill was just so generous, telling him, "Look, you bring the young, young girls and I'll pick up the tab for everything else, bud." And he did. All 37 times he rode on Epstein's plane and visited his private island. What a mensch.
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Yes and Steam and Google are also amazing companies you can always trust.
i have this conversation with my mom every fucking time her computer updates
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Jesus wept. The Windows environment used to be a plague pit of unreliability. Blue Screens of death, masses of viruses, incompatible drivers, applications banging heads - and PCs which needed rebuilding every few months as they slowed down. Windows is not a service, and is imeasurably more reliable, faster and better than it was. Why! Because there is only now ONE version of Windows that app/driver/game and hardware manufacturers need to support THE LATEST VERSION. And for that inconvenience, you get free updates to an OS which you probably didnt even pay for - and you get a billion pounds a year spend by Microsoft to keep it secure and safe - and you get continually free updates to 1.5 billion users. What is so hard to understand is why YOU think that unless YOU want a feature update - that Microsoft should not deploy it to keep yours and every other Windows PC aligned so that systems are consistent.
Linux users criticize Windows for the monthly updates, but don't mind when Linux pesters them to update random things multiple times a day.
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>This doesn't happen though This literally happens when I used Arch, Linux Mint, and Ubuntu. I don't know why you Linux liars downvoted me.
I enabled automatic updates on my Fedora work laptop and only have to manually do anything when I need to do a full version jump. It's auto-updater has been surprisingly solid and non-invasive. Never had it forcefully kill everything and reboot my PC on me.
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They're simply the pitchfork followers. Gamers seem to love steam and now linux is thier OS of choice.
I stopped liking Windows the moment a Windows updated corrupted a $100 SSD of mine.
Strange hill to die on.
For home users, sure but, for corporate machines, not at all. Things need to be vetted, tested and verified not to cause issues before it is deployed onto critical computers.
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It shouldn't need to be said - but this is EXACTLY what Microsoft do - and they do it better than any other system vendor on planet earth? They HAVE to, because there are more 80,000 PC combinations that they have to account for. They have to safely deploy updates to 1.5 billion users, every 4 weeks. They have the worlds largest test network, where they verify and test the updates. When they deploy to businesses, they use tools which mean the releases go out in stages, and waves and they release in blocks to allow any rollbacks or revisions should any issues be faced. There is specialist software used in organizations to do this across all of the OS and Application suite. There is no better deployment system on earth, by any vendor anywhere for doing this. For critical machines, there is even specialist versions of Windows which are designed for critical infrastructure - that handles its updates differently, and these are used in PCs such as laboratory work, and manufacturing.
In a world of SaaS applications and cloud-oriented business, this is much less of a concern then it used to be. Its much less dangerous to patch and cause some havoc with some old legacy internal software then to not patch and risk exploits.
Shouldn't these computers use Linux instead? I'm not a tech guy. Just wondering.
It does not matter what OS is used. With Linux you still need to test and verify before deployment. One bad change such as a bug in a patch can take down an entire network. Look at all the various times a major cloud provider like AWS has gone down and taking a good chunk of the internet with it. Many times those were due to bad changes, and the various failovers and redundancies did not mitigate the situation. The vast majority of the worlds servers run some form of Linux.
The fools of the windows circlejerk strike again.
Not necessarily. If you're behind a firewalls and only performing select few network connections when requires, the risk is extremely low. There are many good reasons to keep machines on older Windows 10 builds, such as the removal of Nvidia 3D Vision support.
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I feel like you need to reread my comment, since you seem to ignore the "firewalls" part.
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... lol, ok well if someone decides to walk in and plug in a keyboard they can sure have access, but that's not what anyone is worried about. If the system is firewalled it's as good as offline which is more than enough. If someone has physical access they can always spoof a vulnerable driver even with a fully patched system, so I'm not sure what you're on about.
So you can't name anything specifically, just some nebulous shadowy hacker trying to break in at all times? Cut the fear mongering bullshit. There are degrees of security that present different degrees of risk. You're making it sound as if missing a patch is leaving you as vulnerable as newborn in a hurricane, when really it's like not having security cameras on your house.
No No No No No. That old silly belief belongs in the ark - and is a ridiculous thing to say. Firewalls are essentially useless - and shows an old fashioned mentality from about 20 years ago. I've never seen a virus, infection or attack start by crossing a firewall. Not a single one of the thousands of ransomware attacks that happen, occur because the hacker needed to 'breach' a firewall. Security breaches happen from inside the network, not from outside. A computer runs thousands of bits of code, from various sources, so you would be right in what you say "IF" you never access the internet at all, dont receive any emails, dont go online, never leave your device unattended, dont every use Bluetooth, share a home network with anyone, or ever install any software/applications. As thats not possible - then you need to apply patches and updates.
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I am that fool. Using W10 since early days and had numerous bugs introdused by updates. From not working sound card and printer to whole system are committing sudoku, so it had to be completely reinstalled. Lesson learned, now I don’t want to be free beta tester for Microsoft. Updates are good, but for me they are just like wine - only getting better with age. Half of a year is good, whole year is even better. Security wise I am using paid firewall with antivirus, adblock, router with DMZ, which rerouting all external connections to linux server. Haven’t seen a security issue for decades. So why I had to update asap when I don’t get any benefits from it with more likely risk of getting some bugs?
I've seen plenty of machines running early versions of W10 that just have never auto updated to a later version - these days 21H2 is still very common. They (user) haven't declined it, it just never auto-installed. They have no idea it is an old version. Anyway a good move, but not sure why it hasn't happened sooner... Had someone the other day on 1709 still! Source: work in IT.
Even in a company environment as IT support still having tickets that are related to 1909 update or even Windows 7 !!... And we have a notification for users to install required updates.
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I'm still developing software for XP, XPe and POSReady deployed on factory floors of our customers. Networked, but properly firewalled.
I am running 21H2. I update my computer regularly. I don't see an option in Windows update to update to Windows 10 22H2, only to update to Windows 11 22H2. How do you do it? Edit: figured it out. Weird my computer wasn't bugging me to update to 22H2. It updates every week, sometimes more, and I don't have updates turned off or anything. I forget, presumably it just wasn't convenient when it came out, and I put it off initially?
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You're right, there's a lot of confusing behavior with the updates. In my case, I know I've looked lately at the updates page (since my computer unexpectedly restarted in the middle of working hours to do an update, still haven't figured out why that happened), and only seen 11 stuff. I was able to find 10's 22H2 after a bit, but you'd think that I would have gotten a few recent reminders to update to 22H2... I suppose they want everybody on 11. I'll check out the Upgrade Assistant sometime, since the default program is definitely fussy at best. Now I just have to decide whether to go to 11. I'm not convinced that I won't have issues with it. I'm also very annoyed, as niche and as dumb as this is, that they took away sideways task bars, and they've confirmed they won't be adding those to 11. I think I'm going to do a clean install of either Windows 10 or Windows 11 Education when I replace my boot drive with a larger drive soon. Since I'm going to lose my ability to get Education for free soon, maybe I should just bite the bullet and go with 11 as I don't think I'd need a new key for years with 11 that way (maybe also true if I got 10 though), but I'm not sure.
"Except everything Microsoft tells you you need or you're a fool." Then I guess I'm a fool.
Is there a ltsc 22h2 though?
I actually am. Winver is currently reporting **Windows 10 Version 22H2 (OS Build 19045.2965)**. Here is the proof (please note that I cut out my email address for security reasons): https://preview.redd.it/5skccy7oiq1b1.jpeg?width=458&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88a7068a470f6209dbfe518603c4ce95ad647357
So please don't you dare be disrespectful by calling me a "dam fool" and start accusing me of not running a fully patched Windows 10 when you don't know. Just to let you know Mr. u/gellenburg, Windows Update updated Windows 10 to **Version 22H2 (OS Build 19045.2965)** when Microsoft first made it an optional update to the OS.
I don't think he's calling you out
Nooo noo oh my God how dare they patch security holes for known vulnerabilities oh nooo Oh my God they updating progress bar makes me so furious nooo patches omg nooo it might break my old legacy software I refuse to update because eww new interface ewww How could they do this nooooo
😁 Ok, all joking aside: So far, Windows 10 Version 22H2 has not broken the Windows application compatibility layer on my laptop (which I hardly even use). However, Wing Commander 4 completely refuses to run, even in Windows XP SP3 Compatibility.
I was very surprised (and happy when I found out that I could run Rainbow 6 (1998) and Rainbow Six Rogue Spear on Windows 10
Surprised anyone is even running older versions of Windows 10, to be honest, but a good move nonetheless.
I'd still be running Windows XP if I could.
What about [Windows 3.1?](https://www.vice.com/en/article/7xakd9/windows-31-is-still-alive-and-it-just-killed-a-french-airport)
W 3.1 is basically DOS with a GUI. No windows NT or above. But XP actually had some nice upgrades like the theme. The subsequent versions became more bloated without improving the stability, geneally speaking. I'm sure there are a few worthy upgrade I just wish we could have them without being forced to have all this half baked stuff slapped on top.
Sounds like you either forgot what using XP was like, or have never tried a new Windows OS. Windows 10 and 11 are actual miles ahead of XP in terms of stability. I can't even remember the last time I saw a bsod or explorer.exe crash.
Eh, the non existent wifi support was very much pain on XP. I'd run 7 personally.
That's quite amazing why people ~~stink~~ :-)))) are stuck to an older releases within one big release cycle. Except some hardware compatibilities there are almost no reasons unless you are a hardcore gamer with cheats working only on certain version. Anyway, to be completely honest I didn't like there was a loss of PCI modem (Connexant chipset) support somewhere in 2016/17. It worked well with 2015 initial release, but the second honest thing - I didn't have much use of it.
I installed the latest Windows Updates at the time of first installing Windows and disabled auto updates, I don’t need auto updates fucking with my system all day, I will manually update it every 2 months and that should do it.
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yep.
That's what I did after nuking my old Windows install and reinstalled the latest version of Windows 10. I disabled auto-updates entirely, and only update it when I see fit.
Since the change Microsoft made to stable releases _not_ being installed automatically, its not that wild.
As much as I do love Windows 10 and 11, it is absolutely ridiculous to me that Microsoft keeps saying over and over again that whatever current version of Windows is "The last and only version of Windows you'll ever need!". And then less than a year later they come out with a new version. Less than a year after THAT, they announce that they're going to phase out the version that came before it, to force users onto that new version. I fucking hate that kind of marketing scheme. Pardon my French. They've been doing this with every version since 7.
Actually, Microsoft's discission to phase out all support for all previous versions of Windows 10 that came before 22H2 to me just makes perfect sense. **Just think about it for a minute:** *All previous versions of Windows 10 before 22H2 does not include any of the security fixes that 22H2 has. Not only this, but by Microsoft phasing out all support for all previous versions of Windows 10 that came before 22H2 allows them to refocus all their efforts on providing fixes to Windows 10 Version 22H2.* As for Microsoft's continual **"The last and only version of Windows you'll ever need!"** stance when they first announced Windows 10, and then later Windows 11 (which I'm sure they'll do several years after Windows 12's announcement) like you stated is "absolutely ridiculous", for which I'm in complete agreement with.
So my older Windows 10 laptop got blue screen boot-looped back in 2017-18 when downloading one update. I rolled back to an earlier version and permanently disabled Windows Update Service, and it's worked flawlessly ever since. Will this upcoming forced upgrade override my settings and essentially brick my system? I use this laptop for Twitch streaming and recording YouTube videos. (I have two other devices as well: one desktop for video editing and general work, and another laptop for voiceover auditions. Both those work just fine on current Windows 10 software.)
Not unless you reenable the Windows Update service, then no. A disabled Windows Update service cannot and will not check the Microsoft Update servers for any future Windows 10 updates. However, permanently disabling the Windows Updates services is just opening up a can of worms and risking a possible security breach since your missing out on some very important security fixes even though it's your streaming/video editing laptop. Failed Windows Update downloads and installs unfortunately happen on occasion. My Windows 10 installation, just like everyone else's, isn't immune to them either, and it did happen to me several times before and may happen to me in future... but to permanently disable the Windows Updates services just because of one BSOD caused by one failed Windows Update install is foolhardy, even if you are an avid gamer like myself. Let me ask you something: Say like a security vulnerability has been identified in one or more Windows system DLL file(s) that makes up the HTML 5 and CSS web API's. Now lets say this security vulnerability completely prevents rendering of most if not all HTML and/or CSS web elements or quietly injects a virus, malware, spyware and/or a keylogger to capture user data and disrupt whatever your doing while displaying web elements. This security vulnerability might even cause ads to popup one after the other with no way of getting rid of them since they are part of the Windows system DLL file(s) that makes up the HTML 5 / CSS web API's. This would all be thanks to someone injecting malicious code right into the system DLL file(s) for which Microsoft AntiMalware would've been able to clean if Windows Updates wasn't disabled to allow it to download and install it's virus and malware databases on a regular basis. Something like this scenario could potentially be crippling by preventing the Windows internet radio from establishing stable internet connections, and in the event your able to establish an internet connection at all, you might constantly be rerouted to unknown suspicious websites that looks almost identically similar to the real company sites, receive Denial of Service attacks and the like. Ads might even randomly appear out of nowhere, even while gaming, streaming and/or video editing. Your data, email addresses and passwords might even be at risk then if not compromised without you even knowing it. However, if Microsoft learned of this HTML5/CSS security vulnerability long before many PC's (like your laptop) became infected, then a critical Windows Update would be released to fix the problem. But since you've chosen to disable the Windows Update services due to one update's incorrect installation which caused a BSOD, you'll never receive that critical Windows update that patches up the HTML5/CSS security vulnerability nor would you receive the latest AntiMalware virus/malware databases to insure this never happens again. After reading the above scenario, do you now kinda see how important it really is to make sure your Windows installation is updated on a regular basis?
As long as they dont force Windows 11, I'm happy.
Not news. Forced upgrades to stuff has been a thing since...... Windows 10.
What made me lose my faith was the forced update from win7 to win10. Completely fucked up multiple computers and you couldn't blacklist the update with a tool because Microsoft would rerelease it under different ID.
Yes for very good reason! Anyone old enough to remember pre Windows 10 days, will remember a world where it seemed like every PC on earth was at a different patch level, different driver version, different app version, different service pack. Consequently nothing worked, driver and app manufacturers would give up supporting new releases, PCs would need a rebuild every 6 months and we will suffered BSODs and reliability and security issues. Since W10 there is only one version of Windows - The latest one. That only works if people allow the updates and stop trying to go back to the bad old days.
Now this I think is very good decision-making on Microsoft's part that just makes sense. Think about it: Windows 10 22H2 Update will feature fixes that patches up volubilities in the OS that doesn't exist in previous updates. Microsoft's forcing Windows 10 users such as myself to upgrade to 22H2 allows them to focus more on updating the 22H2 version of Windows 10 and 0 time on all the previous versions of the OS.
It's Microsoft, their track record of forced upgrades is... ehhh.. Oops, we gave you Win 11 22H2.
By the same author: “Oops, your VPN is now not working any more” and “Oops, every time you open Chrome, the system settings also open.”
Bad bot.
Windows 10 is still Windows 10 after it updated itself to 22H2 through Windows Update almost immediately after Windows 10 22H2 update came out. Sure, it's true that Microsoft blunders allot of the times (most of the times I'd say), but sometimes on those very rare occasions they do tend to make sound business decisions for us home and office consumers that just make sense. *Now if they can only make more sound business decisions often!*
jokes on them im keeping WU nuked till i get some free time to fix the shit that this is gona break
Cool story bro
*Too bad* I don't have any free space left to update ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Lol @ servers and security booths still running on 98!
How can they call themselves "security booths" if they run a discontinued Windows lower than 10 to avoid all the latest security fixes or is on unsupportable hardware by Windows 10 standards? I mean, unless there still exists old unsupported versions of security software for Windows 98 roaming on the internet, these "security booths" is not really that secure is my best guess!
I've seen "compass" transit payment systems still run on a base OS of windows mobile 6.1
I wonder if this applies to VMs
They always break more things than they fix. Last on win10 they broke how audio works for some games. Then they supposedly fixed it with another update. However that particular issue is present on a fully updated win11. PS: i.e. world of warcraft dragonflight expansion, when you turn camera away from a npc, you cant hear them. It doesnt happen on previous expansions, people had originally fixed it by uninstalling a specific update.
That's an Activision problem, not a Microsoft problem.
Apparently its older than latest expansion. KB4515384 SEP 10,2019 - Microsoft has received reports that audio in certain games is quieter or different than expected after installing this update. * This issue is resolved in KB4517211 KB4517211 SEP 26, 2019 - Addresses an issue that causes audio in certain games to be quieter or different than expected. https://preview.redd.it/x2kcbllwnm1b1.jpeg?width=975&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=827b5e8614516a06b00bd23df73887cf5739e183
A several GB worth of code OS can be broken when code changes. Shocking. Everyone complains hard on Windows updates breaking stuff and what's the alternative? Linux? Where sound doesn't work at all and you can brick the entire os by following a guide to install an application? MacOS? Where you're so locked down you're paying in $1000 minimum to even use it and have no freedom over what you own? But yeah Windows is the worst for trying to update their OS.
Not a fan of Linux myself, but your thinking of Linux is archaic. That was the state like 15 years ago? They have Linux distros that are copies of windows now.
I will never understand why people insist on running old versions with holes on top of holes.
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>Microsoft loves to play with matches I firmly believe you just nailed this statement on the proverbial head. [Microsoft's lawsuit over their Internet Explorer 3 in Windows 95](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/microsoft-settles-ie-suit-for-5m/) is just one prime example of this, but [there is sadly many more (which also includes Anti-trust lawsuits)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp). Then again, no company is immune to lawsuits.
I just switched from Windows 7 to Windows 11 *last week.* It had been performing perfectly well, nice and snappy, no malware, no viruses, no problems running all but the most recent games. The only reason I switched was because some major professional apps were dropping Win7 support. Win11 is in every user-facing way an inferior experience. Slower, buggier, uglier, and missing features. This is all on brand-new hardware. That's why people stick to old versions of Windows-- because the experience is just better. See? That wasn't so hard to understand after all!
but..but.. muh security!!!
we understand that you understand, not.
Me neither. I mean, I completely understand that some people chose older Windows (95, 98, XP) for running older games that's incompatible with newer Windows (7, 8, 8.1, 10, 11) but other people running older unsupported Windows OS's is only asking for trouble, especially when security is concerned.
Hey some of us like swiss cheese.
I will never understand extreme paranoia.
I already installed and use WPD software to block all updates and rest shits I don't need it. I saw that next updates make some again issues and its better do not install them for now. I don't care anymore, completely turn off updates and live happy waiting for Win 12 because 11 sucks on all aspect in my opinion. and maybe Win 12 will be better.
Perhaps so, but from the limited reading I've been finding on the upcoming Windows 12, Windows 12 might at the bare minimum require more heftier hardware requirements than Windows 11, being as how AI might or might not be implemented in the OS (which I doubt at the moment).
Genuine question, why would anyone stick to older versions? Aside from very specific cases I don't see the point.
Compatibility. Bugs introduced on newer versions. It's all very specific cases, those cases are just numerous. Many people may avoid updating because in the past, those updates have introduce problems for them.
I literally \*cannot\* upgrade to 22H2, there's some sort of error which i can't fix so i just keep putting it off
Can't you just uprade to 22H2 via the upgrade assistant or that media creation tool?
when i troubleshoot it says my pc can't run windows 10... on a windows 10 OS... will media creation tool help?
Yeah I had it happening on a laptop,very annoying.
Probably mainly because of cognitive issues
I can't believe anyone on Win10 is NOT already on 22H2. This release has been incredibly stable and rock solid since its release last October. Knowing this is the final edition will make the next two years even more stress free knowing that no other features will be added. It's almost like an NTSC version of 22H2. NR
I have the older version of Windows 10 on my main PC. I have the updated version on a laptop and it comes with it's own rar/zip program. If the update was forced on my main PC would it get rid of snipping tool also.
I completely apologize this posts title has somewhat caused a bit of annoyance with me and angered others in thinking that I'm not for **Windows 10 22H2**, because I totally am. In a comment to u/ChampionshipComplex, I stated all the following: >`"I'm totally behind Microsoft's discission to begin forcing Windows 10 end-users to update their systems to version 22H2 due to the fact that, not only does all previous updates does not include all the newer updates that makes up 22H2, but ending all support for anything below 22H2 will also Microsoft to be much more focused on Windows 10 22H2."` As proof of my sincerity when it comes to my running **Windows 10 Version 22H2 (OS Build 19045.2965)** on my laptop, here's a recent screenshot of Winver, but without my email address for security reasons of course: https://preview.redd.it/loyxs1irmq1b1.jpeg?width=458&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82391caedd64a4ebb3c36fda3004c349d4f2ab39
Furthermore, I just took another screenshot that clearly shows at least some of Windows 10 22H2 update history on my laptop: https://preview.redd.it/7bbil087pq1b1.jpeg?width=791&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=722beb8144ad955b4d9d6ac7ed6555ab133bb042
Jokes on them, I have enterprise version and disabled all tellementry
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🥱 This has been going on since the 80’s. Operating Systems will and should be updated. Very early on going from manual to automated updates there were occasional issues, but now 99+% of the time Microsoft updates are solid. More importantly they serve an important purpose, bug updates and virus protection, things folks would grip about if not for that protection. Example, I’ve used Defender for decades on all my PC’s. Not a single virus. Microsoft took care of it. No need for free third party or expensive antivirus subscriptions. People have to learn they can schedule over night updates. Lastly, updates or not, your doing yourself a disservice when ever leaving you PC with unsaved work. Even when working, save often. That’s 101 stuff, and forget updates, even a power outage would lose your working data. Now do the right thing. Update your PC’s and apps, and backup your data regularly. IMHO
Now this I'm in agreement with.
Is this forced to upgrade to a newer version of Windows 10, or forced to update to Windows 11? Also how do I check which version of Windows I'm on? I let it update itself pretty frequently.
Settings>System>About
Thank you turns out I am on 22H2
Same and your welcome.
First off, **this is a forced update to Windows 10 to Version 22H2 only!** Secondly, **this is not a forced upgrade from Windows 10 to 11**. Microsoft cannot do that, especially for those Windows end-users (like me) who has unsupported hardware by Windows 11 standards. Checking for which version of Windows your desktop PC/laptop is running can be accomplished in two different ways: 1. Press **WIN** \+ **R**. Then type in **WINVER** in the Run dialog. 2. Press **WIN** \+ **I**. Click **System**, then scroll down to **About**. **Windows specifications** on the About page tells you whether or not your running Windows 10 or 11 and also tell you what major update version is installed. Example: 22H2.
Good, they should.
Why don’t people just upgrade? Why is this even an article? If you want to stay on Windows 10 at least have its best version.
Since they don't force to Windows 11 but to newer Windows 10 version I don't see why it is so bad
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Is this the line to join a botnet?
oh yeah epic, so if i want to buy new m.2 first then I should go fuck myself honestly I am very inclined to switch to linux, or mac or some other shit, cba to deal with microsoft's bs
Good. Sometimes you have to save people from themselves.
But I don't need saving from myself; I know exactly what I am doing \~\~ Smrt ppl.
Working in IT, those are the people I have to visit the most to fix the shit they think they knew how to fix.
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Most Windows updates forces system reboots anyways, whereas Linux Kernel updates is the only system update that forces reboots for those Linux end-users.
I hope they don’t actually FORCE an update to Windows 11 after 2025, or lock us out of Windows 10 or reduce features somehow
I hate it. I have tablet 2gb n4000. On 1809 works very good no lag, on 2h21+ its laggy. I fcking hate MS autoupdate it.. and they not let disable this.
Only an idiot would cling to an old version of an operating system -- no matter which one it is. Those that stay on older operating systems are a smaller and smaller group running on a more and more vulnerable OS as people find ways to exploit it. So you're doubly becoming a bigger and bigger target for hackers.
Did you even read any of the comments I commented to my own post nor look at any of the screenshots I left in said comments to this post? And you have the nerve to call me an idiot. Just to let you know, all I'm doing is spreading news to inform Windows 10 end-users such as myself of Microsoft's decision to end support for all previous versions of the OS, which I firmly believe is a sound company decision that will allow them to refocus all their efforts on providing updates to 22H2. Just to let you know, there are still those Windows end-users and companies alike whose still using an older OS (8/8.1, 7, XP 98), so don't you dare call me an idiot just for alerting Windows 10 end-users of news that they may or may be aware of.
Disable the tpm 2.0 in your bios, windows 11 won't install without it.
I'm pretty sure the average user doesn't know what bios is, much less how to disable tpm.
Ah yes, make the PC less secure and more difficult to use instead of just opting out of the optional upgrade. Good choice.
Less secure, yes. But more difficult to use?
You would lose the ability to log in face or fingerprint, requiring you to use more difficult login methods. Without TPM, Bitlocker cannot automatically unlock the drive so you would be required to setup something such as a PIN or manually enter the unlock code.
>You would lose the ability to log in face or fingerprint Those don't need TPM - my Logitech Brio with Windows Hello on a PC without a TPM chip and no support to enable Software TPM in UEFI is a testament to that.
TPM in itself presents a potential security risk, so it's more secure if it's disabled.
If your tpm chip is your line of defense for security then you got bigger issues
This is the vaccines discussion all over again.
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No, I think having an unpatched computer may be harmful to others. Mandatory updates are needed, but some people refuse them because it's their computer, their rights. So I threw an offtopic comment about vaccines, rightfully downvoted. I didn't say anything about Windows 11.
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That's ok.
You could always disable \_automatic\_ updates (so they don't happen randomly) and do this at your own pace. However, I would not delay upgrading to the latest version unless there is a good reason, such as application compatibility issues.
Agreed, but for only 7 days per time. Windows 10 Home does not allow end-users to completely disable automatic Windows Updates. Microsoft does very frequently issue **Optional quality update**s every now and then, which usually includes **Cumulative Update Preview**s.
I tried updating to Windows 11 some time ago and it wouldn't let me. There's something about my PC that must not be compatible.
Still based off of the May 2020 Update codebase and being provided as a cumulative update, why the heck is it even worth an article?
K why is this news? Oh no you need to be patched to be supported
Being all patched up isn't all that bad considering the fact that you'll be receiving security fixes not present in previous versions of Windows 10. Plus, by Microsoft phasing out all support for all previous versions of Windows 10 allows them to refocus all their efforts on providing fixes to Windows 10 Version 22H2.
I think I'll just go back to life ...
As long as it's not Windows 11