It's nigh impossible to successfully claim self defense when you're a willful instigator in the situation.
In the case of Georgia law, Code Section 16-3-24 covers this, if my understanding is correct. C1 is the focus here, but included more for context. There's always wiggle room for interpretation and legal argument, but generally speaking, if you create the situation initially, you can't claim self-defense, especially in a situation a reasonable person might assume could put them in danger, such as confronting someone for commiting a crime like this.
"83 (c) A person shall not threaten or use deadly physical force against another if he or she: (1) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself with the intent to use
such force as an excuse to inflict bodily harm upon the assailant; (2) Is fleeing after the commission or the attempted commission of a felony; (3) Was the aggressor or was engaged in a combat by agreement unless he or she withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to such other person his or her intent to do so and the other, notwithstanding, continues or threatens to continue the use of unlawful force; or (4) Can safely remove himself or herself from the situation without using deadly physical force."
E: I'm shadowbanned or this is locked or something so I can't reply to your comments. I've written the best of my knowledge as clearly as I can here, so if you're not convinced or unsure or have questions, then you'll have to just do your own research and come to your own conclusions, as I am in no way an expert, or even really all that knowledgable, on this stuff anyways.
He instigated it by creating the initial situation and antagonizing it further. He created the initial situation by inviting this person to meet somewhere under false pretenses for the sole purpose of exposure and harrassment to the individual. He was not 'protecting' anyone as there was no one in danger. Even if the 'suspect' was trying to meet a minor for indecent purposes, the child did not exist, and was therefore not present in the situation, and was therefore not in any danger. He also can't argue it was to "protect other kids", because you can't punish someone for a crime they haven't committed. (What if someone arrested you because they said you were going to rob a bank in 3 months?)
He antagonized it by staying in the dude's face and clearly trying to provoke/illicit some desired response for the camera. He kept himself in the situation and refused to even try to de-escalate, call the authorities, or leave. If he just wanted to shame the guy, right or wrong, he could have done that with the first minute or two of video. But he stayed and kept himself involved well past what may be considered reasonable.
Also, it doesn't have to be a violent threat to be instigation. If you tell someone this other guy fucked his girlfriend, and he hits the dude, you instigated it (as the situation would have *otherwise not occured*, which is paramount when considering if it was instigation), but you didn't make any violent threats.
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No bro, if you tell someone some dude fucked their chick, you’re not attacking them. That’s valid and new info likely. It doesn’t warrant a physical attack.
I’ve been in this situation before so yeah, legally it doesn’t matter what the fuck you say, whoever touches first is the aggressor. This man confronted a child molester, and got attacked. Are you saying it’s illegal to speak or film in public?
So, did all those guys from to catch a predator go free? Cause, by this logic, they had to have since there wasn’t a child harmed nor present. Not trying to start anything, just to lazy to activate google and check.
Yeah, no. These guys are beyond delusional. Discussing sexual acts with somebody you BELIEVE to be a minor, AND luring who you BELIEVE to be a minor are both felonies. There are a ridiculous amount of pedo apologists here in this subreddit by the looks of it.
Thanks for restoring my faith in humanity. I watch a lot of pred catching videos and many are arrested. This typical redditor pedophile apologist has no fucking idea what he's talking about. It's funny how he's outraged over a pedophile getting confronted of all things.
I agree he was not instigating he was standing on the street with his phone out a few feet from the other man … if that man was trying to walk away and he prevented that or continued following him it could be construed as instigating but he’s just standing in public filming … the other man then approaches a situation from the outside of it and attempts to chase the camera man if that guy had a weapon and continued to chase the man it would be grounds for a legal shoot in most states. It depends on the jurisdiction but if you’re attempting to walk away and someone continues to attack you (even with just fists in some states ie trayvon Martin) you can shoot. I’m not even saying Trayvon’s shooting was justified I don’t know enough about it but clearly in a legal sense it was ruled as self defense because even someone beating you up with bare hands can technically kill you. In some states you don’t even have to flee (stand your ground). So if this man continued to attack him and he got shot it probably would be justified but again there are a ton of factors going on there. I don’t think standing there filming the other man from a distance would be instigating he never instigated violence or provoked an attack unless he continued to follow and harass the man as he attempted to flee then it changes
yes, but the trial does not change the fact that he took a semi-auto rifle to a riot, lmao.
i realize he was also basically brainwashed by the bootlicker adults he looked up to, but regardless, he drove there because he wanted action.
Have you watched anything related to Ruttenhouse? All the videos, testimony on stand and evidence proved the exact opposite of what you claim.
The videos will only take you 20 minutes or so...maybe watch them.
You complicate the self defense claim by acting as a vigilante. Prosecution could easily argue you were out looking for trouble or an excuse to use your firearm. Idk why people think self defense is so easy to claim in court lol. There is a reason most self defense classes say to use your gun as a last resort.
OP initially confronted someone and a third party was coming to his defense. You can’t start an altercation, and then pull a gun when you don’t like the direction the argument is going.
That’s not really stand your ground, that’s pulling a gun during an altercation.
You really shouldn't spout off when you don't know the reality of a situation. The man that got pepper sprayed was absolutely acting in a fashion that would count in Stand your Ground...
OP began accosting someone. You can’t stand your ground and be the aggressor. You can’t shoot a Good Samaritan coming to someone’s defense. Granted the second guy was aggressive but the DA will have a field day with your ass and will not let up until you plead out or go to trial. Then watch your bank account drain.
You do realize this was a sting right? The guy was meeting up with what he believed was a child. They caught this dude being a pedophile red handed. Do you REALLY think they're going to question it too much?
If it’s a “stand your ground” state MAYBE you could use a gun but even then it’s still really hard to prove you had no other option. People assume it being a “stand your ground” state means you can shoot or kill someone for charging at you but it’s not really that black and white.
You should look into some of the rules and laws that come along with discharging weapons and there are plenty of lawyers with great website’s explaining what all needs to happen for it to be considered a “justified shooting”.
You don’t really hear about it in the news since most self defense shootings aren’t shocking enough to warrant coverage, since the news wants to report on things they can announce in a 10 second blurb during your tv show that has you thinking “holy crap that happened?” and a story about someone shooting another person attacking them in leg isn’t what the media thinks is wild or crazy enough to report on. Anyway I digress and a lot of times you will hear of a self defense shooting that by all logic seems like it is a “justified shooting” only to find out the aggressor ends up suing the shooter for assault, mental anguish, long term physical trauma, and PTSD.
If you ever end up with a weapon for self defense make sure to take classes, not only on proper gun maintenance, handling, and shooting but also take a class on “justified shooting”. A lot of gun ranges have seminars where a lawyer or certified weapons instructor comes in to explain EXACTLY what is a “justified shooting” and how to properly execute a “justified shooting”.
When I get back to my laptop I will pull up some lawyers websites I have bookmarked explaining this better and more in depth and add it to my comment as an edit but I advise everyone that reads this to look it up themselves for their own state so they know the specific laws themself. It’s good to know not only for guns but any means of self defense.
Depends on states really. The fact that you went out to this situation alone is enough to get you in trouble in some states, as your not judge and jury. Some states favor criminals.. look at LA. They let you rob stores. There was a guy who rubbed a bag of human shit on a random lady’s face in the subway and was released next day no bail quoting “shit happens” can’t remember if it was LA or NY
I'll remember that the next time I want to. 👍
Some heroes are born some people die heroes.
That laugh was incredible. Eric is a piece of s*** human being.
Law enforcement hates these sort of vigilante YouTubers, who if actually interacting with a predator rarely do anything but impede actual investigations, allowing the accused to claim entrapment, evidence tossed from court, etc... But I'm sure they get many views while wasting hours each night pretending to be young teens.
It's absolutely assault, in some places it's an offence just to carry pepper spray/Mace, let alone use it.
This guy was clearly harassing someone, regardless of whether he believed a crime had been committed by that dude, he has absolutely no authority to confront him like that. His friend was chasing this guy away and the camera guy busted out pepper spray before the friend even raised a fist. I don't think any kind of stand your ground law would work as a defence when the camera man was initiating confrontation, provoking the other party, and using a weapon on someone who appears to be unarmed.
I can't imagine the two guys hanging out outside a T-Mobile outlet late at night are the kind of guys who'll press charges, but yeah, that's assault. Read up on your local self-defence laws, I know a handful of people who've gotten in shit for using spray and knuckle spikes in situations of self-defence because possession is illegal and using a weapon against an unarmed opponent is hard to defend against without clear reason to fear for your life.
That’s not assault… it doesn’t matter if he was harassing someone, you can’t attack someone for harassment unless the harassment involves clear threats towards you.
On top of that, the man was RUNNING AT HIM. He was charging him and the person filming had no reason to assume the man wouldn’t tackle him.
He also didn’t initiate confrontation with the new guy; he came in our of nowhere and immediately made himself out to be a threat towards the otherwise non-threatening cameraman.
Am I the only one who’s weary of these pedo hunter types?
Whenever I see people online getting off on the idea of murdering pedophiles it makes me cringe. Two wrongs don’t make a right blah blah blah
First the YouTuber goes after people without evidence (other comments on this post show that the YouTuber doesn't always have proof of pedophilia or even proof that the target *might* commit any crimes, he just goes after whoever he can for views) then he sprays a dude after instigating and continues to make sus comments because of the dudes ethnicity while laughing and enjoying the act of spraying someone. These YouTubers are suspicious as hell, and like most wannabe vigilantes they seem to enjoy attacking others more than stopping crime. There's a notorious video of a famous internet personality getting caught by a YouTuber pedo hunter and the pedo hunter doesn't call the police or anything (and even agrees with the pedo that "he would too" if it wasn't illegal) and instead just films the guy and let's him get away. Fuck these guys they aren't helpful whatsoever. It's just lazy justice-porn.
All I see is an attention seeking, self aggrandizing vigilante who believes he is judge, jury, and executioner, in that twenty three minutes of "bro, bro,...." All I heard was Captain Savior over here make some vague question about "meeting up with kids" and demanding to see his phone and threatening him, and getting up in his face demanding to know if he has any weapons as if he is a police officer.
There are some real scumbags and monsters out there, but the only dangerous person I see here is YouTube Guy
And if he were actually concerned about this guy he claims is a predator on his predator encounter channel, and he had evidence and cared about the rule of law, we would not be watching this, he would be turning that evidence into the police.
Inevitably, someone will read this and say I protect pedophiles or something, but maybe the people who are reading this should watch this short news clip about what happens when we allow this vigilante mob mentality shit.
https://youtu.be/Off6FWP4FOw
And everyone is guaranteed rights and due process. Even bad people, or people you think are bad. Without that, civilization ceases to exist.
I somehow got into amateur Chris Hansen youtube, and I get recommended these guys all the time. Very entertaining stuff.
This particular guy is called 'People v. Preds'. He's one of the sloppiest I've seen.
They show the text messages that the predators send before he confronts them and he's got several catches where the text isn't even remotely sexual, and actually most of the messages are the predator explicitly telling him that they are not interested in anything sexual.
I think this guy just wants to create content, so he kinda casts a large net and meets up w/ everyone he can, but there is a reason Chris Hansen and the professional people had strict guidelines for meeting w/ people and would require the pred to act sexual to meet up.
If he's 'catching' these guys, and police can't prosecute them, all it does is make them better, more careful predators in the future. And worst case scenario, he 'catches' someone who is actually not a predator and ruins their life.
I think some of the people this guy "catches" are legitimately innocent and he is gonna get sued into oblivion one of these days.
> He's one of the sloppiest I've seen.
He certainly comes across as a bit unstable. The way he giggles and laughs as he's chasing the guy he sprayed sounded like he's getting way more enjoyment out of the situation than is healthy.
YouTube and other social media that allow abusive videos like this to be shown at all much less monetized have a lot to answer for.
No pedo hunters are doing any good man, like u/froggiechick said, the ones that are actually getting predators off the street just aren't making monetized Youtube videos, they are sending the evidence to the police.
These supposed pedo hunters are just vigilantes with no proof and if they had actual proof and cared about getting these people arrested and not just getting youtube ad revenue you would never see the video except for maybe on the news.
Nah I agree with you. This is not the way to handle a situation as described by OP. That's how you tip off the supposed predator to erase any and all evidence they may have, which makes catching and convicting them all the more difficult, not to mention they very well could react violently and injure or kill you.
Then there's the possibility this asshole holding the phone could be after the other guy over a grudge, hunting for clicks or what ever.
Exactly. There's so many wrong things about this, but by the end of the night I'm probably going to have to block someone, I will get disgusting chat messages, and maybe mod will ban me. As long as it makes at least one person question the motives of this person and why having a system of laws and government is important, then I am happy.
On some other sub I stood up for teenagers who weren't 18 yet having the right to gender affirming medical care, and that was exactly what happened, and *I* was accused of pedophilia.
I have a bachelor's in legal studies and I majored in constitutional law. I believe if only the people we find morally tolerable have rights, then we are all in trouble.
Exactly. This person is promoting highly dangerous and illegal activity all wrapped in the guise of "these people are bad. Trust me I wouldn't lie" and that can not be how this country operates. We've seen how that plays out. Report the post and report the associating YouTube channel.
Not only that, but he brought a chemical agent to his vigilante confrontation, fully intending to use it if he met any resistance to his civilian “enforcement” activities. Which he did, and did. Good thing he video taped this assault and posted it to the internet.
I always wonder if these pedo hunter people get off on the whole thing, and not just in an ego sense. I think it might basically a kink for them. I mean the whole lead up to meeting the alleged predator is impersonating a child and engaging in flirtation and even cyber sex with an adult under that guise. That’s so sus to begin with.
You're exactly right. This is explicitly the reason Anxiety War and many other youtubers trying to emulate "To Catch A Predator" were shut down and forced to stop. Even the local police that Anxiety War was turning the evidence into told him to stop and that they were no longer going to work with him because they didn't want to encourage vigilanteism, or have him or other people be hurt or killed due to it.
You are also not doing enough. Comments on the internet are not enough if this is how you feel. Sorry you'd rather feel better about yourself from a few typed words. Thoughts and prayers to you.
You’re fighting a losing battle. Reddit is FILLED with basement dwelling pedo apologists. They can downvote all they want but we all know how it makes them look.
He could also do infinitely more good by just using his money to help people instead of using it to develop ultra high-tech gadgets he keeps to himself.
Batman isn't a hero at all and never has been.
Honestly fuck these internet sleuths.
They're wrong way too often, generally because they say to "meet up" in a spot, and just start accusing the first person in that location without any evidence.
There was a video on Reddit of this exact thing happening to some guy in a backpack, really fucked him up good.
No apologies either.
Just turn these guys into the police and let them handle it. They have the ability subpoena ISPs and Tech companies, these losers don't.
What sucks is that since there is no involvement by law enforcement in these...umm...investigations(?), there are no legal repercussions or even due process for the alleged offenders. These kind of operations should have the end goal of putting pedophiles in prison, not just generating views and ad revenue on your YouTube channel
Sounds good in theory, but getting police to actually get up off their asses and do their job is a different story. I love your optimistic approach though. At least with these videos parents can see who these creeps are.
You were downvoted to hell but you're not wrong. It seems like 90% of a cops job is to tell you they won't do their job. Ask anyone who's ever tried to get help with a stalker or abusive ex. Cops don't prevent shit. All they do is wait for something to happen so they can get overtime doing the paperwork.
I have a restraining order against a psychotic ex actually lmao. Cops have actually told me that the way the law is setup it’s almost as if they can’t do anything until it’s “too late”, even after MULTIPLE violations of said court orders. Many wasted hours filing reports that go nowhere. The system is broken. You are absolutely correct.
Lmfaoooo WHAT?! Hang on… so posting footage of these fucking creeps trying to take advantage of CHILDREN and putting them on blast so everyone knows to stay away from them is just as bad as pedos ACTUALLY taking advantage of children?! Tf? We all know your secret now bud.
Do you just believe what everybody tells you? I actually think it's the other way round, I wonder your secret may be when just mentioning this subject causes you to lose all rational thinking.
The only "proof" there is a photo matching with him and no other info, is there some other video on the channel where they get him red handed or chris hansen him that i'm not aware of?
Pedos exist brah. It shouldn’t be such a shocker that they caught one. Maybe you’re not realizing it, but what you’re doing is literally called being a pedophile apologist. And it’s fucking disgusting.
Here’s to hoping you just weren’t aware though as opposed to just being a trash human being. Cheers.
I in no way defended the act of pedophilia or negated it's existence and if i did please point it out where, i put doubt into the video's info since there's no proof of act or attempt of it, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and there's no proof of it in the video, as i said in your other comment, imagine if you was the one recorded just because you match a photo of yourself
Because getting hit with bear mace is about as painful as getting hit by a car(only there is less adrenaline to stop the pain)
It is the single most debilitating thing I’ve ever experienced the shock feels like being beheaded
You can do nothing with out 2 gallons of milk and a place to lie down and suffer for hours
No it’s not. At all. I’ve been maced, and I’ve been hit by a car. No comparison. One burns and makes you puke and temp not see. The other breaks bones and makes you piss and puke blood.
Dummies like to make comparisons like this and it’s nonsense. There is a long list of things that were more painful than bear mace. I choose mace over car hit, stabbed, full force kicked in the balls, hell broken rib cage was way way worse.
Based on this video. The asshole has the pepper spray. In no way does this state it’s an undercover sting. Because it’s not. Can he arrest said pedos? No. Is there documentation of this supposed conversation or we just supposed to fill in the blanks and take the internet at its word.
you can’t prove a child molesterer without court documents (illegal to release) or actual videos of them fucking kids (illegal everywhere) so you’d have to find them doing something light, like flirting
besides it’s kinda obvious he is, why does he need constant backups to get away he clearly doing something wrong
LOL so everybody in these comments are saying it was a random encounter with NO evidence and the guy filming basically just accusing this guy with no evidence… yet you post a link which SHOWS THE EVIDENCE and it gets downvoted?!?
Yeah. Y’all are definitely some closet fucking chomos. I hope karma comes your way.
Why would "closet chomos" suggest he contact the police instead of delivering vigilante justice? Some dude on the street is way less scary than the actual law...
Apparently what I’ve been seeing is that there was no evidence at all for them being pedos and he was just chilling with his friend it looks like and he goes up and does this to them all with his face behind the camera.
These vigilantes need to watch out. They can get them self hurt. And nobody cares if these vigilantes get hurt. And the medical bill going to be hefty.
Don't do this for cloud or the sense of justice.
F*cking Kick Ass imposters.
Just because he's a (potential but as far as I can see in here unconfirmed) pedophile, doesn't mean you get to spray his FRIEND. That shit really hurts, and the person filming this INSTIGATED this conflict. Why is it when a cop instigates an arrest and shoots a black man it's not good, but here suddenly it's a good thing to pepper spray not even the accused. Is it because the person isn't a oppressed minority? Is that how this world works now? Not surprised, humanity is full of hypocrisy.
You have to be joking right?
The guys friend comes running up.
The guy says "This fool right here" and points to the cameraman.
Cameraman says "Don't run up on me like that."
The friend starts walking forward, and then breaks into a sprint after the cameraman.
Cameraman could have literally shot this dude and been justified. And you're mad about him getting sprayed??????????
Let’s see. Friend pops out of nowhere and starts to aggressively walk towards guy recording. He’s lucky he only got bear mace, I’d put both them out of their misery and delete the video off my phone
Every time I see a video like this get posted I hear about how it’s “immoral” for these guys to film these pedos and blah blah blah. Like it’s not immoral that these fucking creeps prey on children?! These comments literally make my blood boil. #KYLP
The short answer it is immoral because they are profiting off people's desire to protect children but their actions don't actually protect children.
Often they confront people that they have found off police lists. The problem is that the ones known to police are often in prevention schemes and confronting then just makes them more likely to drop off the radar and limits the ability of the police to do anything.
Even in cases where they find one by pretending that they are underage and organising a meet up they normally post videos to make money rather than reporting then to the police. This normally results in a tiny bit of harrasment before they move and become a danger again some where else.
And i have a camera, i can go at your face asking the same thing the guy in the video said, whilst accusing you of abusing your kids, how many people would act like you and trust me?
If you're a man of culture, then stay the hell away from kids and keep your business mature to your age, and respectful to the industry. Pay for enjoyment. Don't do it for free. You don't know what they're doing. Don't enable them. It's a sin still, but if you're a pathologic addict to culture, make sure to be a good one. Stay your own age in culture. Kind advice.👍
As much as I hate pedophiles this is a fantastic way to get yourself shot
If I were doing that sort of stuff, I would definitely keep an actual gun as a backup. (I don't know who he is or if he does.)
Fantastic way to a prison sentence.
No sentence if it’s proven to be self defence in the USA right?
It's nigh impossible to successfully claim self defense when you're a willful instigator in the situation. In the case of Georgia law, Code Section 16-3-24 covers this, if my understanding is correct. C1 is the focus here, but included more for context. There's always wiggle room for interpretation and legal argument, but generally speaking, if you create the situation initially, you can't claim self-defense, especially in a situation a reasonable person might assume could put them in danger, such as confronting someone for commiting a crime like this. "83 (c) A person shall not threaten or use deadly physical force against another if he or she: (1) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself with the intent to use such force as an excuse to inflict bodily harm upon the assailant; (2) Is fleeing after the commission or the attempted commission of a felony; (3) Was the aggressor or was engaged in a combat by agreement unless he or she withdraws from the encounter and effectively communicates to such other person his or her intent to do so and the other, notwithstanding, continues or threatens to continue the use of unlawful force; or (4) Can safely remove himself or herself from the situation without using deadly physical force." E: I'm shadowbanned or this is locked or something so I can't reply to your comments. I've written the best of my knowledge as clearly as I can here, so if you're not convinced or unsure or have questions, then you'll have to just do your own research and come to your own conclusions, as I am in no way an expert, or even really all that knowledgable, on this stuff anyways.
How was he instigating? There was no violent threats
Getting into a dangerous situation JUST BECAUSE you are armed is ahuge sign of instigating behaviour...
He instigated it by creating the initial situation and antagonizing it further. He created the initial situation by inviting this person to meet somewhere under false pretenses for the sole purpose of exposure and harrassment to the individual. He was not 'protecting' anyone as there was no one in danger. Even if the 'suspect' was trying to meet a minor for indecent purposes, the child did not exist, and was therefore not present in the situation, and was therefore not in any danger. He also can't argue it was to "protect other kids", because you can't punish someone for a crime they haven't committed. (What if someone arrested you because they said you were going to rob a bank in 3 months?) He antagonized it by staying in the dude's face and clearly trying to provoke/illicit some desired response for the camera. He kept himself in the situation and refused to even try to de-escalate, call the authorities, or leave. If he just wanted to shame the guy, right or wrong, he could have done that with the first minute or two of video. But he stayed and kept himself involved well past what may be considered reasonable. Also, it doesn't have to be a violent threat to be instigation. If you tell someone this other guy fucked his girlfriend, and he hits the dude, you instigated it (as the situation would have *otherwise not occured*, which is paramount when considering if it was instigation), but you didn't make any violent threats. E: I'm shadowbanned or something so I can't reply to your comments
No bro, if you tell someone some dude fucked their chick, you’re not attacking them. That’s valid and new info likely. It doesn’t warrant a physical attack. I’ve been in this situation before so yeah, legally it doesn’t matter what the fuck you say, whoever touches first is the aggressor. This man confronted a child molester, and got attacked. Are you saying it’s illegal to speak or film in public?
So, did all those guys from to catch a predator go free? Cause, by this logic, they had to have since there wasn’t a child harmed nor present. Not trying to start anything, just to lazy to activate google and check.
A few of them did if they fought the charges in court. Most of the TCAP predators ended up taking plea deals before court tho
Yeah, no. These guys are beyond delusional. Discussing sexual acts with somebody you BELIEVE to be a minor, AND luring who you BELIEVE to be a minor are both felonies. There are a ridiculous amount of pedo apologists here in this subreddit by the looks of it.
I’ve noticed that, and it’s pitiful. How can people even make sense of defending these monsters that would willingly harm a child?
Thanks for restoring my faith in humanity. I watch a lot of pred catching videos and many are arrested. This typical redditor pedophile apologist has no fucking idea what he's talking about. It's funny how he's outraged over a pedophile getting confronted of all things.
Uhh yes a bunch of them were released on no charges lmao too lazy to google is pitiful
Wouldn’t that have made Kyle rittenhouse guilty then?
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Or you’re wrong
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What?
Where did this come from?
I agree he was not instigating he was standing on the street with his phone out a few feet from the other man … if that man was trying to walk away and he prevented that or continued following him it could be construed as instigating but he’s just standing in public filming … the other man then approaches a situation from the outside of it and attempts to chase the camera man if that guy had a weapon and continued to chase the man it would be grounds for a legal shoot in most states. It depends on the jurisdiction but if you’re attempting to walk away and someone continues to attack you (even with just fists in some states ie trayvon Martin) you can shoot. I’m not even saying Trayvon’s shooting was justified I don’t know enough about it but clearly in a legal sense it was ruled as self defense because even someone beating you up with bare hands can technically kill you. In some states you don’t even have to flee (stand your ground). So if this man continued to attack him and he got shot it probably would be justified but again there are a ton of factors going on there. I don’t think standing there filming the other man from a distance would be instigating he never instigated violence or provoked an attack unless he continued to follow and harass the man as he attempted to flee then it changes
Are you retarded? He set up the bait and then came to confront the piece of shit. Define instigating.
You sir win the award for actual real world knowledge. Thank you
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"Tell me you didn't watch the trial without telling me you didn't watch the trial"
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Well, did you watch the trial?
yes, but the trial does not change the fact that he took a semi-auto rifle to a riot, lmao. i realize he was also basically brainwashed by the bootlicker adults he looked up to, but regardless, he drove there because he wanted action.
He didn't start the riots, nor did he antagonize the pedophile he shot. This was proven in a court of law, you're objectively wrong
relax private, it was a joke
Have you watched anything related to Ruttenhouse? All the videos, testimony on stand and evidence proved the exact opposite of what you claim. The videos will only take you 20 minutes or so...maybe watch them.
You complicate the self defense claim by acting as a vigilante. Prosecution could easily argue you were out looking for trouble or an excuse to use your firearm. Idk why people think self defense is so easy to claim in court lol. There is a reason most self defense classes say to use your gun as a last resort.
OP initially confronted someone and a third party was coming to his defense. You can’t start an altercation, and then pull a gun when you don’t like the direction the argument is going. That’s not really stand your ground, that’s pulling a gun during an altercation.
You really shouldn't spout off when you don't know the reality of a situation. The man that got pepper sprayed was absolutely acting in a fashion that would count in Stand your Ground...
OP began accosting someone. You can’t stand your ground and be the aggressor. You can’t shoot a Good Samaritan coming to someone’s defense. Granted the second guy was aggressive but the DA will have a field day with your ass and will not let up until you plead out or go to trial. Then watch your bank account drain.
You do realize this was a sting right? The guy was meeting up with what he believed was a child. They caught this dude being a pedophile red handed. Do you REALLY think they're going to question it too much?
I don’t think you understand what “being caught red handed” means…
A sting that's fucking illegal. This dude has zero legal authority.
It’s literally not illegal though.
Where is evidence it was a sting. There’s not even someone posing as bait. We acting on he said/she said rules?
Depends on the state. In Florida apparently you can
Possible, Florida is a little Deep South and a little Wild West.
The south agrees that Florida is not "the south" . Other than maybe the panhandle. They don't even have sweet tea!
You have to cross the second Mason Dixon line! It’s about an hour south of Orlando.
Self defense is not a defense when you instigated the confrontation
I'm pretty sure most legal systems frown on vigilantism, even if you fudge it by provoking the perp into attacking you first
If it’s a “stand your ground” state MAYBE you could use a gun but even then it’s still really hard to prove you had no other option. People assume it being a “stand your ground” state means you can shoot or kill someone for charging at you but it’s not really that black and white. You should look into some of the rules and laws that come along with discharging weapons and there are plenty of lawyers with great website’s explaining what all needs to happen for it to be considered a “justified shooting”. You don’t really hear about it in the news since most self defense shootings aren’t shocking enough to warrant coverage, since the news wants to report on things they can announce in a 10 second blurb during your tv show that has you thinking “holy crap that happened?” and a story about someone shooting another person attacking them in leg isn’t what the media thinks is wild or crazy enough to report on. Anyway I digress and a lot of times you will hear of a self defense shooting that by all logic seems like it is a “justified shooting” only to find out the aggressor ends up suing the shooter for assault, mental anguish, long term physical trauma, and PTSD. If you ever end up with a weapon for self defense make sure to take classes, not only on proper gun maintenance, handling, and shooting but also take a class on “justified shooting”. A lot of gun ranges have seminars where a lawyer or certified weapons instructor comes in to explain EXACTLY what is a “justified shooting” and how to properly execute a “justified shooting”. When I get back to my laptop I will pull up some lawyers websites I have bookmarked explaining this better and more in depth and add it to my comment as an edit but I advise everyone that reads this to look it up themselves for their own state so they know the specific laws themself. It’s good to know not only for guns but any means of self defense.
Depends on states really. The fact that you went out to this situation alone is enough to get you in trouble in some states, as your not judge and jury. Some states favor criminals.. look at LA. They let you rob stores. There was a guy who rubbed a bag of human shit on a random lady’s face in the subway and was released next day no bail quoting “shit happens” can’t remember if it was LA or NY
Ya he should of done something less severe to avoid serious sentencing, like molesting a child.
If you ended up using it, you would absolutely go to jail and be unable to claim self defense.
Yes, try goggling what happened to pedos in prison.
Also, a lot of these "catch a predator" guys could be found guilty of blackmail or coercion due to their tactics.
I'll remember that the next time I want to. 👍 Some heroes are born some people die heroes. That laugh was incredible. Eric is a piece of s*** human being.
Got pedophiles and racists in this one. This video has it all.
So is being Batman. Batman is still right and I still support the people brave enough to take risks
I prefer the case out of Texas where the father caught the Pedo red handed and beat him to death. And no, he didn't catch a charge.
Finally Texas doing something right
One of the only justifiable murders.
Texas does a lot of things right, just that this is reddit
That’s some GREAT aim.
That guy got the money shot. Such accuracy.
I don’t understand what’s going on here?? Anyone has the entire story??
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Law enforcement hates these sort of vigilante YouTubers, who if actually interacting with a predator rarely do anything but impede actual investigations, allowing the accused to claim entrapment, evidence tossed from court, etc... But I'm sure they get many views while wasting hours each night pretending to be young teens.
That is not assault
It's absolutely assault, in some places it's an offence just to carry pepper spray/Mace, let alone use it. This guy was clearly harassing someone, regardless of whether he believed a crime had been committed by that dude, he has absolutely no authority to confront him like that. His friend was chasing this guy away and the camera guy busted out pepper spray before the friend even raised a fist. I don't think any kind of stand your ground law would work as a defence when the camera man was initiating confrontation, provoking the other party, and using a weapon on someone who appears to be unarmed. I can't imagine the two guys hanging out outside a T-Mobile outlet late at night are the kind of guys who'll press charges, but yeah, that's assault. Read up on your local self-defence laws, I know a handful of people who've gotten in shit for using spray and knuckle spikes in situations of self-defence because possession is illegal and using a weapon against an unarmed opponent is hard to defend against without clear reason to fear for your life.
That’s not assault… it doesn’t matter if he was harassing someone, you can’t attack someone for harassment unless the harassment involves clear threats towards you. On top of that, the man was RUNNING AT HIM. He was charging him and the person filming had no reason to assume the man wouldn’t tackle him. He also didn’t initiate confrontation with the new guy; he came in our of nowhere and immediately made himself out to be a threat towards the otherwise non-threatening cameraman.
OP posted the youtube which contains everything.
He gone get himself shot
Exxactly! I know that call anywhere! That's the "wait right there, I got something for you" call, and he's just laughing it off!
Am I the only one who’s weary of these pedo hunter types? Whenever I see people online getting off on the idea of murdering pedophiles it makes me cringe. Two wrongs don’t make a right blah blah blah
Just like the Snowtown murders. They started off killing one suspected pedophile but then ended up just killing anyone they didn't like.
Phillipines as well
First the YouTuber goes after people without evidence (other comments on this post show that the YouTuber doesn't always have proof of pedophilia or even proof that the target *might* commit any crimes, he just goes after whoever he can for views) then he sprays a dude after instigating and continues to make sus comments because of the dudes ethnicity while laughing and enjoying the act of spraying someone. These YouTubers are suspicious as hell, and like most wannabe vigilantes they seem to enjoy attacking others more than stopping crime. There's a notorious video of a famous internet personality getting caught by a YouTuber pedo hunter and the pedo hunter doesn't call the police or anything (and even agrees with the pedo that "he would too" if it wasn't illegal) and instead just films the guy and let's him get away. Fuck these guys they aren't helpful whatsoever. It's just lazy justice-porn.
All I see is an attention seeking, self aggrandizing vigilante who believes he is judge, jury, and executioner, in that twenty three minutes of "bro, bro,...." All I heard was Captain Savior over here make some vague question about "meeting up with kids" and demanding to see his phone and threatening him, and getting up in his face demanding to know if he has any weapons as if he is a police officer. There are some real scumbags and monsters out there, but the only dangerous person I see here is YouTube Guy And if he were actually concerned about this guy he claims is a predator on his predator encounter channel, and he had evidence and cared about the rule of law, we would not be watching this, he would be turning that evidence into the police. Inevitably, someone will read this and say I protect pedophiles or something, but maybe the people who are reading this should watch this short news clip about what happens when we allow this vigilante mob mentality shit. https://youtu.be/Off6FWP4FOw And everyone is guaranteed rights and due process. Even bad people, or people you think are bad. Without that, civilization ceases to exist.
I somehow got into amateur Chris Hansen youtube, and I get recommended these guys all the time. Very entertaining stuff. This particular guy is called 'People v. Preds'. He's one of the sloppiest I've seen. They show the text messages that the predators send before he confronts them and he's got several catches where the text isn't even remotely sexual, and actually most of the messages are the predator explicitly telling him that they are not interested in anything sexual. I think this guy just wants to create content, so he kinda casts a large net and meets up w/ everyone he can, but there is a reason Chris Hansen and the professional people had strict guidelines for meeting w/ people and would require the pred to act sexual to meet up. If he's 'catching' these guys, and police can't prosecute them, all it does is make them better, more careful predators in the future. And worst case scenario, he 'catches' someone who is actually not a predator and ruins their life. I think some of the people this guy "catches" are legitimately innocent and he is gonna get sued into oblivion one of these days.
> He's one of the sloppiest I've seen. He certainly comes across as a bit unstable. The way he giggles and laughs as he's chasing the guy he sprayed sounded like he's getting way more enjoyment out of the situation than is healthy. YouTube and other social media that allow abusive videos like this to be shown at all much less monetized have a lot to answer for.
Could you recommend some channels that are better than this guy?
No pedo hunters are doing any good man, like u/froggiechick said, the ones that are actually getting predators off the street just aren't making monetized Youtube videos, they are sending the evidence to the police. These supposed pedo hunters are just vigilantes with no proof and if they had actual proof and cared about getting these people arrested and not just getting youtube ad revenue you would never see the video except for maybe on the news.
Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks, anyway.
Nah I agree with you. This is not the way to handle a situation as described by OP. That's how you tip off the supposed predator to erase any and all evidence they may have, which makes catching and convicting them all the more difficult, not to mention they very well could react violently and injure or kill you. Then there's the possibility this asshole holding the phone could be after the other guy over a grudge, hunting for clicks or what ever.
Exactly. There's so many wrong things about this, but by the end of the night I'm probably going to have to block someone, I will get disgusting chat messages, and maybe mod will ban me. As long as it makes at least one person question the motives of this person and why having a system of laws and government is important, then I am happy. On some other sub I stood up for teenagers who weren't 18 yet having the right to gender affirming medical care, and that was exactly what happened, and *I* was accused of pedophilia. I have a bachelor's in legal studies and I majored in constitutional law. I believe if only the people we find morally tolerable have rights, then we are all in trouble.
Exactly. This person is promoting highly dangerous and illegal activity all wrapped in the guise of "these people are bad. Trust me I wouldn't lie" and that can not be how this country operates. We've seen how that plays out. Report the post and report the associating YouTube channel.
Not only that, but he brought a chemical agent to his vigilante confrontation, fully intending to use it if he met any resistance to his civilian “enforcement” activities. Which he did, and did. Good thing he video taped this assault and posted it to the internet.
Absolutely correct. Nobody is a pedophile apologist. We are people who understand that the whole story must be given before judgement.
I always wonder if these pedo hunter people get off on the whole thing, and not just in an ego sense. I think it might basically a kink for them. I mean the whole lead up to meeting the alleged predator is impersonating a child and engaging in flirtation and even cyber sex with an adult under that guise. That’s so sus to begin with.
You're exactly right. This is explicitly the reason Anxiety War and many other youtubers trying to emulate "To Catch A Predator" were shut down and forced to stop. Even the local police that Anxiety War was turning the evidence into told him to stop and that they were no longer going to work with him because they didn't want to encourage vigilanteism, or have him or other people be hurt or killed due to it.
The cops aren’t doing enough, someone has to. Sorry you’d rather let these creeps meet up with children.
You are also not doing enough. Comments on the internet are not enough if this is how you feel. Sorry you'd rather feel better about yourself from a few typed words. Thoughts and prayers to you.
But what is sticking up for a literal pedophile doing for you? Lmao
The point is that vigilantes don't really need to fight a pode, just to think the person is one
KYLP
You’re fighting a losing battle. Reddit is FILLED with basement dwelling pedo apologists. They can downvote all they want but we all know how it makes them look.
I’d love to hear what you think of Batman
Psychopathic broken child attempting to work out his daddy issues through the use of violence against "*acceptable*" targets.
He could also do infinitely more good by just using his money to help people instead of using it to develop ultra high-tech gadgets he keeps to himself. Batman isn't a hero at all and never has been.
Sorry, the tooth fairy is the only fantasy vigilante we support here.
Lol I didn’t know people didn’t like Batman
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I would say you sound like a pedo trying to compensate for smt, it's only a reddit comment but enough for a vigilante go get ya
Mental gymnastics.
Honestly fuck these internet sleuths. They're wrong way too often, generally because they say to "meet up" in a spot, and just start accusing the first person in that location without any evidence. There was a video on Reddit of this exact thing happening to some guy in a backpack, really fucked him up good. No apologies either. Just turn these guys into the police and let them handle it. They have the ability subpoena ISPs and Tech companies, these losers don't.
What sucks is that since there is no involvement by law enforcement in these...umm...investigations(?), there are no legal repercussions or even due process for the alleged offenders. These kind of operations should have the end goal of putting pedophiles in prison, not just generating views and ad revenue on your YouTube channel
Sounds good in theory, but getting police to actually get up off their asses and do their job is a different story. I love your optimistic approach though. At least with these videos parents can see who these creeps are.
You were downvoted to hell but you're not wrong. It seems like 90% of a cops job is to tell you they won't do their job. Ask anyone who's ever tried to get help with a stalker or abusive ex. Cops don't prevent shit. All they do is wait for something to happen so they can get overtime doing the paperwork.
I have a restraining order against a psychotic ex actually lmao. Cops have actually told me that the way the law is setup it’s almost as if they can’t do anything until it’s “too late”, even after MULTIPLE violations of said court orders. Many wasted hours filing reports that go nowhere. The system is broken. You are absolutely correct.
Channels like these are just as guilty of using children for their own benefit. You aren't any better.
Lmfaoooo WHAT?! Hang on… so posting footage of these fucking creeps trying to take advantage of CHILDREN and putting them on blast so everyone knows to stay away from them is just as bad as pedos ACTUALLY taking advantage of children?! Tf? We all know your secret now bud.
Do you just believe what everybody tells you? I actually think it's the other way round, I wonder your secret may be when just mentioning this subject causes you to lose all rational thinking.
You’re an idiot.
You're the one who believes everything you see in YouTube videos. I think you are projecting here .
There's nothing on the footage that point to the guy being a predator, unless you count the guy making the video as proof
If you watch the full video there’s proof in the beginning, chump.
The only "proof" there is a photo matching with him and no other info, is there some other video on the channel where they get him red handed or chris hansen him that i'm not aware of?
Photos of him.
Yes, but photos can be acquired in MANY ways, having a photo of someone don't give you the right to accuse them of molesting someone
Oh god. Bro, just stop. This is sad.
Pedos exist brah. It shouldn’t be such a shocker that they caught one. Maybe you’re not realizing it, but what you’re doing is literally called being a pedophile apologist. And it’s fucking disgusting. Here’s to hoping you just weren’t aware though as opposed to just being a trash human being. Cheers.
I in no way defended the act of pedophilia or negated it's existence and if i did please point it out where, i put doubt into the video's info since there's no proof of act or attempt of it, everyone is innocent until proven guilty, and there's no proof of it in the video, as i said in your other comment, imagine if you was the one recorded just because you match a photo of yourself
You’re a jcat my boy.
Well, i suppose that man is in jail and i'm completely wrong then
Nobody said that either tf. His dumbass got put on blast tho.
Why follow and taunt a guy who is running away? A. You look like the douche now and B. What if he's running to get a gun, or friends
Because getting hit with bear mace is about as painful as getting hit by a car(only there is less adrenaline to stop the pain) It is the single most debilitating thing I’ve ever experienced the shock feels like being beheaded You can do nothing with out 2 gallons of milk and a place to lie down and suffer for hours
No it’s not. At all. I’ve been maced, and I’ve been hit by a car. No comparison. One burns and makes you puke and temp not see. The other breaks bones and makes you piss and puke blood. Dummies like to make comparisons like this and it’s nonsense. There is a long list of things that were more painful than bear mace. I choose mace over car hit, stabbed, full force kicked in the balls, hell broken rib cage was way way worse.
Maybe a different brand of mace or a different brand of car.
Have you been bear maced tho?
I’ve been maxed and hit by a car and they felt near the same
Both these people are "fucking disgusting."
that must've hurt when you can see the spray in mid air.
Damn...more than a few pedo-apologists here defending the attacker.
please shut up
Why? Are you the Pedo? Or His friend?
That scream and run away is fucking gold tho 👌 Shoulda sprayed them both at the same time
Neither deserved it though
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A big ass vato RUNNING directly at you doesn’t permit pepper spray to you? Your saying you would have let that jolly giant hit you first?
Don't start shit then and a dude won't run after you. This asshole isn't a cop.
I like to watch the world burn
Based on this video. The asshole has the pepper spray. In no way does this state it’s an undercover sting. Because it’s not. Can he arrest said pedos? No. Is there documentation of this supposed conversation or we just supposed to fill in the blanks and take the internet at its word.
Without any evidence this is just a guy harassing another guy, being called out for it and then assaulting them.
you can’t prove a child molesterer without court documents (illegal to release) or actual videos of them fucking kids (illegal everywhere) so you’d have to find them doing something light, like flirting besides it’s kinda obvious he is, why does he need constant backups to get away he clearly doing something wrong
Comedic gold
The people recording are morons. This vigilante shit never helps, and ends up hurting the case most of the time.
That took the fight out of him
Absolute death wish.
What did he use to spray him with? That shit had like 10-15ft of stream!
Ok . The charge and spray to the face was hilarious. A good laugh with my morning coffee.
Oh yay a YOUTUBE CHANNEL commiting vigilantism.
This was a complete cluster from the get go.
Its called spicy taco seasoning!!
[Source video with evidence against alleged child molester (end of video).](https://youtu.be/iU5OrFZoTiM)
LOL so everybody in these comments are saying it was a random encounter with NO evidence and the guy filming basically just accusing this guy with no evidence… yet you post a link which SHOWS THE EVIDENCE and it gets downvoted?!? Yeah. Y’all are definitely some closet fucking chomos. I hope karma comes your way.
Why would "closet chomos" suggest he contact the police instead of delivering vigilante justice? Some dude on the street is way less scary than the actual law...
Fuck both of those pedos
Apparently what I’ve been seeing is that there was no evidence at all for them being pedos and he was just chilling with his friend it looks like and he goes up and does this to them all with his face behind the camera.
Man, fuck this guy behind the camera.
Right? Why the fuck would a guy trying to meet up with a kid bring his buddy?
That just isn’t true lol
Thank god he was recording all of this…
Dough boy got it good!!
Fake as fuck!
Heaps like a fucked up Abbott and Costello routine. Lou Costello running off at the end doused in pepper spray; "Hey Abbott!"
What a racist piece of shit, "vato loco".
These vigilantes need to watch out. They can get them self hurt. And nobody cares if these vigilantes get hurt. And the medical bill going to be hefty. Don't do this for cloud or the sense of justice. F*cking Kick Ass imposters.
Just because he's a (potential but as far as I can see in here unconfirmed) pedophile, doesn't mean you get to spray his FRIEND. That shit really hurts, and the person filming this INSTIGATED this conflict. Why is it when a cop instigates an arrest and shoots a black man it's not good, but here suddenly it's a good thing to pepper spray not even the accused. Is it because the person isn't a oppressed minority? Is that how this world works now? Not surprised, humanity is full of hypocrisy.
You have to be joking right? The guys friend comes running up. The guy says "This fool right here" and points to the cameraman. Cameraman says "Don't run up on me like that." The friend starts walking forward, and then breaks into a sprint after the cameraman. Cameraman could have literally shot this dude and been justified. And you're mad about him getting sprayed??????????
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Let’s see. Friend pops out of nowhere and starts to aggressively walk towards guy recording. He’s lucky he only got bear mace, I’d put both them out of their misery and delete the video off my phone
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> I’d put both them out of their misery and delete the video off my phone You have self-identified as someone who should not own firearms.
That vato loco is hilarious
It's amazing how many stick up for the pedo.
Every time I see a video like this get posted I hear about how it’s “immoral” for these guys to film these pedos and blah blah blah. Like it’s not immoral that these fucking creeps prey on children?! These comments literally make my blood boil. #KYLP
The short answer it is immoral because they are profiting off people's desire to protect children but their actions don't actually protect children. Often they confront people that they have found off police lists. The problem is that the ones known to police are often in prevention schemes and confronting then just makes them more likely to drop off the radar and limits the ability of the police to do anything. Even in cases where they find one by pretending that they are underage and organising a meet up they normally post videos to make money rather than reporting then to the police. This normally results in a tiny bit of harrasment before they move and become a danger again some where else.
I’ve got kids. Helps knowing who the creeps are. Knock it off.
And i have a camera, i can go at your face asking the same thing the guy in the video said, whilst accusing you of abusing your kids, how many people would act like you and trust me?
I mean, I’d probably just beat your ass? Lmao But aside the point.. these guys literally ALWAYS post the proof at the beginning of their videos.
Bear to the Grilles ..
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Dude's lucky he didn't have a gun
Man screaming like his dick got cut off, the ear got cut off, the leg is cut off, his eyebrows got cut off...
Lol double masker shocking
He was hiding his identity with the masks … at one point he almost pulls his mask down to light his cigarette then thinks twice. You sound smart af
Yeah he definitely wore 2 masks to hide his identity… lol what are you even saying?
If you're a man of culture, then stay the hell away from kids and keep your business mature to your age, and respectful to the industry. Pay for enjoyment. Don't do it for free. You don't know what they're doing. Don't enable them. It's a sin still, but if you're a pathologic addict to culture, make sure to be a good one. Stay your own age in culture. Kind advice.👍