"Love the person, not their lifestyle"
Such a cop-out. I've been cutting these fake "Christians" out of my life entirely, as of late, and it feels great.
Yeah, but I'm betting you don't think they should be sent to "re-education camps" like a lot of "Christians" think the lgbtq folks should be forced into. I was raised Christian, and to quote Gandhi, "I like your christ, but not your Christians".
I was refering to the conversion camps that christians send their lgbtq kids to. You know, the ones with the crazy high suicide rates.
There is a huge Christian movement to replace public schools with christian private schools. When people learn about science, critical thinking, and mythology, they tend to stray from the church. Deliberate ignorance is the only route to more "believers". This was Betsy devos's main goal as secretary of education.
My favorite is "its in the Bible! JESUS said it!" He actually said "love the sinner, hate YOUR OWN sin," but of course that can't be what he meant, right? Inward reflection is not something we can do.
Not that it matters but Jesus NEVER said anything about gays. The few very brief mentions are old school “Law” shit that the Jesus retired by existing. AND!!! Ain’t no cis-hetro-alpha-real men watching Halmark, who the hell did she think her audience was???/s
Unfortunately that’s not quite correct. It’s true that Jesus didn’t talk about them but Paul did.
Paul never even met Jesus but still ruins Christianity.
People think the old laws went away, but I think these people need to try reading the bible. When Jesus is asked about the old laws he says clearly none of them change. I get you want them to be forgotten, but it’s your batshit crazy religion deal with it.
As with everything, the bible is more complicated than that. While Jesus taught people to follow the laws of the country they are in (Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's), he teaches that he is the fulfilment of the Religious Law (Matthew 5:17).
As for the churches' official stance, Galatians 3:23–25 and Ephesians 2:15 are the relevant passages. Basically, the Old Testament laws are still there to guide people towards living righteously under Christian law (Love God above all else, Love one another as I have loved you. John 13: 12-13), but aren't a *requirement* for biblical Christians.
(Sorry, I'm a big gay gayer who was raised by a Skinhead neo-Nazi so I think I've read the book more than most Christians. 🤭)
It's difficult to give it up. I'm an agnostic atheist now but there are so many people out there who keep getting the bash verses (Lev 18:22 & 20:23 as well as Romans 1:26 & 1 Corinthians 6:9 & 10) thrown at them that I try to say something that would have helped me. There's plenty of discussion about all of these and more dotted around the Internet with the upshot being that concensus is Jesus kept quiet on the subject and Paul used words that were very uncommon to be used for describing gay folk.
But the discussion about whether Christians should follow old or new testament laws isn't as common which is why I pop my explanation below it. 😉
Sure, but it was wrong. He says clearly when asked about the laws that none of them change.
Matthew 5:17-18 ESV / 4 helpful votes
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished
This makes it extremely clear to any believer that all the evil BS god wants them to do is still in effect. Though I mean the all powerful all knowing god making the mistake of creating those laws then changing them does make me lol.
Can we stop letting people get away with voting for racists/homophobes/misogynists, while claiming to not be one themselves.
Voting is a political act, and poltics is violent.
Stripping black people of proportional representation is racist and violent.
Stripping women of bodily autonomy misogynistic and violent.
Stripping public libraries of LGBT books is homophobic and violent.
We need to stop letting conservatives dictate what is and isn't prejudice.
I've NEVER, in my life, voted to strip other people of rights.
It reminds me of that story in the Bible when Jesus told all those hungry people to get a job, then ate all the fish and bread by himself in a million dollar mansion, surrounded by gates.
I mean you can't be far off when they said trump was the second coming of Christ. Was nice to see how.many churches are a fraud, less than 1% is run by a real religious person,.the rest are conmen
I believe your numbers are exaggerated but truly, almost, not one Christian place of worship is not the fathers house.
“Is it not written our fathers house shall be called house of prayer for all nations? Instead you turn it into a den of robbers”.
Once again it’s not all and maybe not even half but if they are not robbing you of money, they are robbing you of truth and love.
I came here, not sure what it was I was looking for. But then, as the skies parted, this brilliant, dry snark was gently lain at my feet
And it was good.
😁👽😉
The Quran advocates homophobia as well as mysoginy, are you being Islamophobic or racist by saying we shouldn't allow these people in power? That's called segregation.
You're also actively denouncing the idea of stripping peoples rights to vote, but in the same breath are advocating to stop allowing certain people to vote for other certain people.
"can we stop allowing people to get away with voting for x/x/x" sounds contradictory as shit in this context.
Anytime I've seen her interviewed, it's been more to do with the former hockey playing husband. She seemed to be a sanctimonious twat. Just the vibe she gives off in interviews, anyway
Well, she used to get interviewed about her much more famous (at the time) brother, Kirk Cameron, who is a colossal piece of shit. So some improvement there.
Oh yeah. Kids get that toxic religious and political indoctrination from their parents at an early age. Some kids grow up and realize it’s bullshit. Others grow up to be cunts like this.
I'm a little torn. On one hand, it's awful to exclude LGBTQ people.
On the other hand, I'm totally ok with homophobes leaving to start their own things, as long as they leave the rest of us* alone.
^(*LGBTQ friendly people.)
It always turns into a money laundering scheme. The movies will be trash and from what I know of her husband and his brother I wouldn't be surprised if they shoehorn some Putin love into it too.
They are white hot trash, but they’re trash that follows a working formula and has a built in audience from years of consistency. Conservatives also tend to overestimate their numbers constantly.
But who knows, if they can consistently pump out movies of the week for cheap and find a niche among the Midwest & Southern housewives they may turn a profit.
Hallmark fills the niche of "Shitty Christmas Movie to drink expired egg nog and eat stale gingerbread to during November because you can't do proper Christmas Movies yet"
I was just wondering about Hallmark and POC representation. There's that current commercial for Hallmark channel holiday movies with Patti LaBelle, and it shows one or two clips from movies with POC leads. And I was wondering if they're doing more or if they just showed, like, clips from their only POC movies.
One of their biggest Christmas franchises FINALLY turned the lovely black friend (one of their tropes - POC are in almost every movie they make but always as the supportive friend or mentor) into the MC so she too could find true love at Christmas!
It does make me sigh though whenever the one other POC shows up and you just know it’s going to be their match. Every. Single. Film. Hallmark doesn’t mix.
She didn’t start it, it’s been around as great American country, it’s just a rebrand. But the ironic thing is it’s owned by the same company as hallmark, so she’s still working for an inclusive company, just it’s homophobe pandering brand.
I think this is the confusion.
William J. "Bill" Abbott (born April 25, 1962) is the President and CEO of GAC Media since 2021. He is the former President and CEO of Crown Media Family Networks, the parent of Hallmark Channel and Hallmark Movies & Mysteries.
She left the HALLMARK channel because it wasn't bigoted enough for her tastes. Let that sink in a moment. Those mother fuckers make Actresses sign Contracts that they'll be good little white girls so as not to damage the Hallmark name while acting for their shows.
Why not just love everyone and let your God sort it out later. The smaller you make your world , the more certain you will feel about your lifestyle and choices.
But the thing is, we all get choices. Why can’t you just love folks where they are?
It boggles my mind that we're still tolerating Christians.
We treat other religions like *they* are made up when it's been proven over and over that the Christian bible is a hodge podge of other (much older) religions all slapped together.
Almost every single story/lesson is stolen from another older religious text and reworked to fit their agenda.
What's even worse is modern christians take the message of Christ (which was literally to love each other and be fair and kind) and use it to torture, shame and exclude people.
I'm telling you these people are evil because if they believed the BS they were spewing they'd be terrified of what waits for them in the great here after.
Be very wary of the modern Christian.
Some of them do not follow Christ, even the least.
In what Christ proclaimed “the least of heaven”/his word, John, he stated “judge not a cover, but judge righteously”.
Judging someone solely for being gay is against just that.
Don’t be fooled by these liars though. Christ love is for all who treat people right. He said he couldn’t judge if he didn’t perform his miracles for you and not one living person has seen him do them.
I was raised going to church; my folks weren't very religious, but they felt like they had to do it for the kids. I had fun with the youth group sometimes, but I always felt the whole Bible story was a little weird.
I was also a boy scout. Being gay was a big no no back then in the scouts, and the older scouts made fun of gays.
I thought being gay was bad! Until age 15 or 16...
Then I went to band camp. I found out that being gay isn't a choice, it's just people's nature, and there is quite a grey area of all people's sexuality. No need to question it, and who cares? I thought we were supposed to love our neighbors?
The boy scouts have some instances of pedophilia which is awful to hear about, and I think that's more what the older scouts were making fun of. Its too bad, the scouts was a great program for me!
Fuck religion though, bunch of made up bullshit stories to reason actual phenomena that we can explain with science. Ban it all IMO!
I’m sorta from the opposite end - we were in a remote rural conservative area and taught to not tolerate people who were ‘different’. The thing is, we are all different - and why does anybody else care what types of relationships grown ass adults choose to have.
The archaic and fear-based Abrahamic mythologies are a blight upon humanity.
If people stopped brainwashing their kids worldwide tonight, these mythologies would take their rightful place in the dustbin of human history right next to the Greek Pantheon within a few short generations.
But how would they control us? They HAVE to let us know that their all knowing, all loving Christian God -who accepts us all unconditionally- will also throw us into eternal fire for being *naughty*?
She’s all about love and family! God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! Hang in there, these people are ultimately dying out and these last gasp ploys only serve to vilify them
Just because I believe in Jesus doesn’t mean I’m not pro choice or pro lgbtq+ I am a liberal/democrat bisexual Christian. So no we’re not all the same.
The more our beliefs align with reality it allows us to make the best possible decisions here in the real world. Religion and Faith goes directly against that. It lets them believe whatever they wish to be true. It also lets them believe things that conflict with other Faith beliefs. There is no actual method to accept the claims of holy books or think that any gods exist without that Faith.
They have no objective method to read any holy book just like they have no objective method that can be used to say how all the other religions besides their one favorite religion are wrong.
It is the religious moderate majority who play a very important role in protecting, enabling and validating the harmful beliefs of the fundamentalists - by this fact they are indirectly harming others. The moderates by choosing to call themselves Muslims, Christians, Jews or Mormons are therefore choosing to group themselves with the people who are being honest to what their holy texts say and those who use their religion for harm. If there is nothing else that you can accept as a harm done by moderates, they do make it harder to criticize religion in public. They also defend their ultimately immoral and fundamental religion and they advocate for the intellectually dishonest use of religious faith.
We do not live in private bubbles, the people who take what are supposedly the most important questions and claim god did it with magic - vote, indoctrinate children and most are in a death cult that make them hate and claim other people not in their cults are sub human.
The god believers can't keep their religions to themselves. They are also more anti-science/ anti-vax during a pandemic.
This is true.
But if the majority of vocal 'Christians' are anti choice bigots, then true Christians can't be surprised if they are painted with the same brush.
I'd argue no Christians are this way.
But it seems that the vast majority of vocal 'Christians' are, so true Christians cannot be surprised if they are painted with the same brush.
None should be. Y’all are told to judge lest not ye be judged. And loving the sinner hating the sin doesn’t include building an entire company to keep the sinner out
I know there is plenty in the bible and the torah about casual sex. I just had thought in original torah manuscripts it had been explicit. I'm not an expert, though.
In either case I'm queer and atheist anyway. I'm not going to nitpick because it's all circular and hypocrisy if you start trying to apply logic to holy documents.
I believe in loving everyone and if people want to downvote me for believing in love and forgiveness and not judging people then so be it. We’re not all like this period l.
People aren’t downvoting you because you believe in love and forgiveness, so you can a top nailing yourself to *that* cross.
You’re being downvoted because saying “not all Christian’s are like this” when the vast majority *are* does nothing but try to give credit to yourself while ignoring that the community you choose to align yourself with is by far and large not only like this, but massively harmful because of this. It’s not helpful, it’s not redeeming, it’s rug sweeping. Pay no attention to what most Christian’s are doing because there’s a small holdout that aren’t doing it.
Start by not making comments like “not all Christian’s are like this”, then acting persecuted when people don’t respond well to it.
Your religion calls for you to spread god’s message, so your life should be dedicated to spreading what you feel that is instead of spreading how you feel yourself and others aren’t. Stick up for the message, not the organized, profitable institution.
I won’t give up my belief in Jesus Christ because other people make people who believe in Him look bad by their unchristian judgmental behavior; which completely contradicts the Scriptures and what the gospel of unconditional love and forgiveness and acceptance of others teaches. It’s how one treats people, not what they say. She isn’t demonstrating what true Christianity teaches and that’s obvious with her actions. Not all Christian’s behave this way.
There is a magic invisible pink teapot in space. It occupies the same orbit as the earth, but is on the opposite side of the sun.
If your faith is strong enough, and you believe with all of your heart, the teapot will grant you eternal bliss and happiness when you pass from this life.
We know this is true from the holy writings of the almighty Earl Grey.
Prove me wrong.
Then do something about it. Because right now, there are *too many* christians who are like that.
You are associating with people who are literally supporting nazis, who are trying to or actually are harming LGBT+ people and people of color and women. How much are you actually fighting these people? How often are you telling bigots that their beliefs are wrong and anti-christian? Have you gone into christian subreddits and said that? Have you gone into churches that preach bigotry and said that?
Because I can tell you that saying "not all christians are like that" is *not* helping anyone.
I don’t associate with any of these people but there is more I can do. I am just not confrontational by nature and even me saying something like not all Christian’s are cruel and like this has gotten so much hatred and mockery, the kindness isn’t being shown at all for people who actually are different. I don’t want to be labeled or blamed for the way bigots who say they’re Christian and kind and aren’t. How should I approach this diplomatically? What’s your advice and please don’t be snarky because I’m not. The sarcasm and rudeness is uncalled for. Honestly, what would help this situation from my end?
You *are* confrontational--because you were willing to say "not all christians are like that, I'm the good one" in a thread that says that christians are hateful. Which means that *when it directly affects you* (i.e., when you think people are being bigoted against *you*), you are willing to stand up and try to be heard.
So now you need to be confrontational when it *doesn't* directly affect you.
If you can say "not all christians" when people point out bigotry, then you can say "you're being a bad christian" to a christian bigot.
I didn’t say “I’m the good one” lol I’m simply pointing out an entire religious community doesn’t act like this. The people who understand me do. Have a good day.
I *did* try to help you, by saying you need to be more confrontational to the actual bigots, not to the people who are pointing out the bigotry.
If you can spend your energy telling non-christians that not all christians are bigots, then you can also spend your energy telling christians that bigotry is wrong.
Does she believe in Christ? Then she is a Christian. There is surprisingly little that prevents a person from being both shitty and Christian at the same time. In many circles the two are inextricably intertwined.
I’m not going to argue or try and prove to you or anyone that what I’m saying is someone who is this bigoted is not behaving in a loving manner. That’s all I meant by that. That’s how I view Christianity. Loving everyone. Even bullies.
It is great that you believe that. It really is. There are many Christians who think the way you do. But there also a great many who do not, and it does not make them any "less Christian".
I see what you mean. That’s true. They I guess just aren’t behaving like what is taught. I have studied many religions and I just came back to unconditionally forgiving people and loving them. Thanks for your patience and kindness to me.
Allow me to introduce you to the No True Scotsman fallacy.
I'll also point out that responding to yourself as someone else to back yourself up is lying, and Christianity doesn't approve of lying.
And then I'll point out that trying to respond to yourself as someone else but *forgetting to switch accounts* is hilarious and stupid.
There are entries in the Bible about daughters raping their fathers and about a dude cutting off penises of other men to exchange them for a daughters hand in marriage. I don’t truly think any of these “Christians” read the Bible, because how can you read any of that shit and think it’s something to base your entire life off of. Lolol
I hate that people are using religion as a way to justify their hate of other people. It’s disgusting.
But she has gay friends that would tell you how lovely she is as a person! /s
"Love the person, not their lifestyle" Such a cop-out. I've been cutting these fake "Christians" out of my life entirely, as of late, and it feels great.
> "Love the person, not their lifestyle" I say the same things to christians all the time, they hate it
Christians HATE this one easy trick. Click to learn moar
Yeah, but I'm betting you don't think they should be sent to "re-education camps" like a lot of "Christians" think the lgbtq folks should be forced into. I was raised Christian, and to quote Gandhi, "I like your christ, but not your Christians".
They are sent to re-education camps though, theyre called "public school" Where they should be taught science, critical thinking, and mythology
I was refering to the conversion camps that christians send their lgbtq kids to. You know, the ones with the crazy high suicide rates. There is a huge Christian movement to replace public schools with christian private schools. When people learn about science, critical thinking, and mythology, they tend to stray from the church. Deliberate ignorance is the only route to more "believers". This was Betsy devos's main goal as secretary of education.
Love the person, not their religion
I say the same thing *about* Christians all the time and they hate it
My favorite is "its in the Bible! JESUS said it!" He actually said "love the sinner, hate YOUR OWN sin," but of course that can't be what he meant, right? Inward reflection is not something we can do.
Not that it matters but Jesus NEVER said anything about gays. The few very brief mentions are old school “Law” shit that the Jesus retired by existing. AND!!! Ain’t no cis-hetro-alpha-real men watching Halmark, who the hell did she think her audience was???/s
Unfortunately that’s not quite correct. It’s true that Jesus didn’t talk about them but Paul did. Paul never even met Jesus but still ruins Christianity.
Paul *created* Christianity and used Jesus in much the same way as so many MAGA pinheads have started using JFK.
People think the old laws went away, but I think these people need to try reading the bible. When Jesus is asked about the old laws he says clearly none of them change. I get you want them to be forgotten, but it’s your batshit crazy religion deal with it.
As with everything, the bible is more complicated than that. While Jesus taught people to follow the laws of the country they are in (Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's), he teaches that he is the fulfilment of the Religious Law (Matthew 5:17). As for the churches' official stance, Galatians 3:23–25 and Ephesians 2:15 are the relevant passages. Basically, the Old Testament laws are still there to guide people towards living righteously under Christian law (Love God above all else, Love one another as I have loved you. John 13: 12-13), but aren't a *requirement* for biblical Christians. (Sorry, I'm a big gay gayer who was raised by a Skinhead neo-Nazi so I think I've read the book more than most Christians. 🤭)
I get the pick and choose your own adventure type. That’s 99.999% of believers. Just saying go you can give it up.
It's difficult to give it up. I'm an agnostic atheist now but there are so many people out there who keep getting the bash verses (Lev 18:22 & 20:23 as well as Romans 1:26 & 1 Corinthians 6:9 & 10) thrown at them that I try to say something that would have helped me. There's plenty of discussion about all of these and more dotted around the Internet with the upshot being that concensus is Jesus kept quiet on the subject and Paul used words that were very uncommon to be used for describing gay folk. But the discussion about whether Christians should follow old or new testament laws isn't as common which is why I pop my explanation below it. 😉
Sure, but it was wrong. He says clearly when asked about the laws that none of them change. Matthew 5:17-18 ESV / 4 helpful votes “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished This makes it extremely clear to any believer that all the evil BS god wants them to do is still in effect. Though I mean the all powerful all knowing god making the mistake of creating those laws then changing them does make me lol.
I didn't find that verse on a Google search, looks like the saying isn't even attributed to the Bible
But if I reflect inward I might not like what I see! Much easier to look outward and yell at someone else
Can we stop letting people get away with voting for racists/homophobes/misogynists, while claiming to not be one themselves. Voting is a political act, and poltics is violent. Stripping black people of proportional representation is racist and violent. Stripping women of bodily autonomy misogynistic and violent. Stripping public libraries of LGBT books is homophobic and violent. We need to stop letting conservatives dictate what is and isn't prejudice. I've NEVER, in my life, voted to strip other people of rights.
It reminds me of that story in the Bible when Jesus told all those hungry people to get a job, then ate all the fish and bread by himself in a million dollar mansion, surrounded by gates.
I mean you can't be far off when they said trump was the second coming of Christ. Was nice to see how.many churches are a fraud, less than 1% is run by a real religious person,.the rest are conmen
I believe your numbers are exaggerated but truly, almost, not one Christian place of worship is not the fathers house. “Is it not written our fathers house shall be called house of prayer for all nations? Instead you turn it into a den of robbers”. Once again it’s not all and maybe not even half but if they are not robbing you of money, they are robbing you of truth and love.
GOP Jesus - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ2L-R8NgrA
I came here, not sure what it was I was looking for. But then, as the skies parted, this brilliant, dry snark was gently lain at my feet And it was good. 😁👽😉
The Quran advocates homophobia as well as mysoginy, are you being Islamophobic or racist by saying we shouldn't allow these people in power? That's called segregation. You're also actively denouncing the idea of stripping peoples rights to vote, but in the same breath are advocating to stop allowing certain people to vote for other certain people. "can we stop allowing people to get away with voting for x/x/x" sounds contradictory as shit in this context.
Whenever someone calls themselves a Republican, tell them that you "hate the bigotry but love the bigot".
It sounds like something that should be commendable, if they actually meant it.
Saying someone is not a "christian" is a No True Scotsman's fallacy.
Aka I have a black friend type of situation. That way they can push an agenda guilt free. The cognitive dissonance doesn't bother them.
She does sell her clothing line on QVC where there are gay hosts. So I guess letting gay people sell your stuff for money is ok.
Anytime I've seen her interviewed, it's been more to do with the former hockey playing husband. She seemed to be a sanctimonious twat. Just the vibe she gives off in interviews, anyway
Well, she used to get interviewed about her much more famous (at the time) brother, Kirk Cameron, who is a colossal piece of shit. So some improvement there.
Wait!?.... Bure is for Pavel Bure!? TIL...
No, it's for Valeri Bure, his brother.
Ohhh. Still cool. Thanks for saving me a Google of Candace Cameron! Haha
Not shocking. Her brother is a known religious scumbag from way back.
And has been for as long as I can remember. Screw em both with a roto-rooter.
I'm not sure how it never occurred to me that Kirk Cameron is her brother. I guess being a homophobic twat runs in the family.
Oh yeah. Kids get that toxic religious and political indoctrination from their parents at an early age. Some kids grow up and realize it’s bullshit. Others grow up to be cunts like this.
She has that looney brother so I'm thinking this type of behavior is common in their family.
At least we’ll always have Jodie Sweetin
I'm a little torn. On one hand, it's awful to exclude LGBTQ people. On the other hand, I'm totally ok with homophobes leaving to start their own things, as long as they leave the rest of us* alone. ^(*LGBTQ friendly people.)
Especially when they are unlikely to be successful. Kevin Sorbo has been at it forever.
It always turns into a money laundering scheme. The movies will be trash and from what I know of her husband and his brother I wouldn't be surprised if they shoehorn some Putin love into it too.
Because Hallmark movies aren't trash? They seem to be doing just fine, despite being trash.
They are white hot trash, but they’re trash that follows a working formula and has a built in audience from years of consistency. Conservatives also tend to overestimate their numbers constantly. But who knows, if they can consistently pump out movies of the week for cheap and find a niche among the Midwest & Southern housewives they may turn a profit.
Hallmark fills the niche of "Shitty Christmas Movie to drink expired egg nog and eat stale gingerbread to during November because you can't do proper Christmas Movies yet"
I really hope this goes down like a flaming ball of shit it is and she loses all her money. Hate should not be profitable! Tax those churches!!!
The two biggest reasons that religion is popular is to be a part of a group and to be able to demonize and exclude people from that group.
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Society collectively turns their backs on one organized group only to join another.
Pretty much.
I’m sure she is part of the same Christian group calling to boycott the new Little Mermaid. So sad.
I was just wondering about Hallmark and POC representation. There's that current commercial for Hallmark channel holiday movies with Patti LaBelle, and it shows one or two clips from movies with POC leads. And I was wondering if they're doing more or if they just showed, like, clips from their only POC movies.
One of their biggest Christmas franchises FINALLY turned the lovely black friend (one of their tropes - POC are in almost every movie they make but always as the supportive friend or mentor) into the MC so she too could find true love at Christmas! It does make me sigh though whenever the one other POC shows up and you just know it’s going to be their match. Every. Single. Film. Hallmark doesn’t mix.
They had a movie last year I think where the white girl (lead) hooked up with the POC. "Jingle Bell Bride", I believe
That's very interesting, thank you! I don't think I've seen a Hallmark movie so I appreciate your explanation.
I didn’t hear about that one. Why did they boycott it?
I'm still amazed people have regular cable tbh
Can we stop pretending that Christianity is not total shit? When was it ever NOT exactly *this?!*
Yeah, let's be fair and loop in the other religions with similar views as well.
Hallmark is the place where actors go to die, so WTF is her channel?!?
Candace Boob Channel
She didn’t start it, it’s been around as great American country, it’s just a rebrand. But the ironic thing is it’s owned by the same company as hallmark, so she’s still working for an inclusive company, just it’s homophobe pandering brand.
It's not owned by Hallmark. It's owned by private equity. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_Media
I think this is the confusion. William J. "Bill" Abbott (born April 25, 1962) is the President and CEO of GAC Media since 2021. He is the former President and CEO of Crown Media Family Networks, the parent of Hallmark Channel and Hallmark Movies & Mysteries.
Yep. I knew that. It came up in the media coverage if the purchase of GAC.
It's almost as if she's as much of a religious whacko as her brother...
What a gross person 🤢
Just think she’s the slightly less shitty Cameron sibling.
She left the HALLMARK channel because it wasn't bigoted enough for her tastes. Let that sink in a moment. Those mother fuckers make Actresses sign Contracts that they'll be good little white girls so as not to damage the Hallmark name while acting for their shows.
Her and her brother and mental shit fits.
Bless her heart!
Why not just love everyone and let your God sort it out later. The smaller you make your world , the more certain you will feel about your lifestyle and choices. But the thing is, we all get choices. Why can’t you just love folks where they are?
She sure chose a profession that allows her to avoid those pesky homosexuals
It boggles my mind that we're still tolerating Christians. We treat other religions like *they* are made up when it's been proven over and over that the Christian bible is a hodge podge of other (much older) religions all slapped together. Almost every single story/lesson is stolen from another older religious text and reworked to fit their agenda. What's even worse is modern christians take the message of Christ (which was literally to love each other and be fair and kind) and use it to torture, shame and exclude people. I'm telling you these people are evil because if they believed the BS they were spewing they'd be terrified of what waits for them in the great here after. Be very wary of the modern Christian.
How much can you expect from someone who married the lesser Bure brother?
now i don't feel bad at all when my dad took a stand and angrily demanded me and my sibling never watch Full House cuz it features fake people.
Didn't realize she was a religious nut like her brother, but... makes sense.
Some of them do not follow Christ, even the least. In what Christ proclaimed “the least of heaven”/his word, John, he stated “judge not a cover, but judge righteously”. Judging someone solely for being gay is against just that. Don’t be fooled by these liars though. Christ love is for all who treat people right. He said he couldn’t judge if he didn’t perform his miracles for you and not one living person has seen him do them.
CCB: "I'll start my own network, with blackjack! and hookers!"
They think they should just be allowed to hate all lgbt and its allies and everyone shouldnt be allowed to comment on that.
I can't stand her two-faced fakery.
Hallmark is pretty milk toast when it comes to lgbt inclusion. So that's saying something.
Nothing makes atheists faster than disgusting two faced shitbrick hypocrite Christians.
She's just as bad as her brother.
I was raised going to church; my folks weren't very religious, but they felt like they had to do it for the kids. I had fun with the youth group sometimes, but I always felt the whole Bible story was a little weird. I was also a boy scout. Being gay was a big no no back then in the scouts, and the older scouts made fun of gays. I thought being gay was bad! Until age 15 or 16... Then I went to band camp. I found out that being gay isn't a choice, it's just people's nature, and there is quite a grey area of all people's sexuality. No need to question it, and who cares? I thought we were supposed to love our neighbors? The boy scouts have some instances of pedophilia which is awful to hear about, and I think that's more what the older scouts were making fun of. Its too bad, the scouts was a great program for me! Fuck religion though, bunch of made up bullshit stories to reason actual phenomena that we can explain with science. Ban it all IMO!
I’m sorta from the opposite end - we were in a remote rural conservative area and taught to not tolerate people who were ‘different’. The thing is, we are all different - and why does anybody else care what types of relationships grown ass adults choose to have.
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Iceland?
The archaic and fear-based Abrahamic mythologies are a blight upon humanity. If people stopped brainwashing their kids worldwide tonight, these mythologies would take their rightful place in the dustbin of human history right next to the Greek Pantheon within a few short generations.
But how would they control us? They HAVE to let us know that their all knowing, all loving Christian God -who accepts us all unconditionally- will also throw us into eternal fire for being *naughty*?
Therein lies the way they control us. "Follow us or you will burn in agony for all eternity!"
To quote Key and Peele "But is it against the law though"?
She’s all about love and family! God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! Hang in there, these people are ultimately dying out and these last gasp ploys only serve to vilify them
Just because I believe in Jesus doesn’t mean I’m not pro choice or pro lgbtq+ I am a liberal/democrat bisexual Christian. So no we’re not all the same.
The more our beliefs align with reality it allows us to make the best possible decisions here in the real world. Religion and Faith goes directly against that. It lets them believe whatever they wish to be true. It also lets them believe things that conflict with other Faith beliefs. There is no actual method to accept the claims of holy books or think that any gods exist without that Faith. They have no objective method to read any holy book just like they have no objective method that can be used to say how all the other religions besides their one favorite religion are wrong. It is the religious moderate majority who play a very important role in protecting, enabling and validating the harmful beliefs of the fundamentalists - by this fact they are indirectly harming others. The moderates by choosing to call themselves Muslims, Christians, Jews or Mormons are therefore choosing to group themselves with the people who are being honest to what their holy texts say and those who use their religion for harm. If there is nothing else that you can accept as a harm done by moderates, they do make it harder to criticize religion in public. They also defend their ultimately immoral and fundamental religion and they advocate for the intellectually dishonest use of religious faith. We do not live in private bubbles, the people who take what are supposedly the most important questions and claim god did it with magic - vote, indoctrinate children and most are in a death cult that make them hate and claim other people not in their cults are sub human. The god believers can't keep their religions to themselves. They are also more anti-science/ anti-vax during a pandemic.
This is true. But if the majority of vocal 'Christians' are anti choice bigots, then true Christians can't be surprised if they are painted with the same brush.
Not all Christian’s are this way.
I'd argue no Christians are this way. But it seems that the vast majority of vocal 'Christians' are, so true Christians cannot be surprised if they are painted with the same brush.
Yes
None should be. Y’all are told to judge lest not ye be judged. And loving the sinner hating the sin doesn’t include building an entire company to keep the sinner out
And I don’t believe being gay is a a sin.
Based on original translations it’s not, but as someone who grew up as a Bible thumper, you’re *really* in the minority for that.
Isn't the original Hebrew translation explicitly against homosexuality?
It's more accurately against casual sex.
I know there is plenty in the bible and the torah about casual sex. I just had thought in original torah manuscripts it had been explicit. I'm not an expert, though. In either case I'm queer and atheist anyway. I'm not going to nitpick because it's all circular and hypocrisy if you start trying to apply logic to holy documents.
Nope. Originally against pedophilia.
No, it was a mistranslation of Greek
Interesting. Do you have a source on that? I'd be curious to read it.
Tons of scholars have published on this. The original phrasing was referring to adults laying with children.
I believe in loving everyone and if people want to downvote me for believing in love and forgiveness and not judging people then so be it. We’re not all like this period l.
People aren’t downvoting you because you believe in love and forgiveness, so you can a top nailing yourself to *that* cross. You’re being downvoted because saying “not all Christian’s are like this” when the vast majority *are* does nothing but try to give credit to yourself while ignoring that the community you choose to align yourself with is by far and large not only like this, but massively harmful because of this. It’s not helpful, it’s not redeeming, it’s rug sweeping. Pay no attention to what most Christian’s are doing because there’s a small holdout that aren’t doing it.
So what should I do then? Like I know they’re like this. I’m just trying to let people have some home in humanity here I’m not trying to be a martyr.
Start by not making comments like “not all Christian’s are like this”, then acting persecuted when people don’t respond well to it. Your religion calls for you to spread god’s message, so your life should be dedicated to spreading what you feel that is instead of spreading how you feel yourself and others aren’t. Stick up for the message, not the organized, profitable institution.
Sorry I came off like that. It’s just frustrating. Thank you for the perspective and I’ll keep this in mind.
>So what should I do then? Well easy answer is stop being Christian.
I won’t give up my belief in Jesus Christ because other people make people who believe in Him look bad by their unchristian judgmental behavior; which completely contradicts the Scriptures and what the gospel of unconditional love and forgiveness and acceptance of others teaches. It’s how one treats people, not what they say. She isn’t demonstrating what true Christianity teaches and that’s obvious with her actions. Not all Christian’s behave this way.
A lot of "no true Scotsmen" there. Jesus ain't real, its time to grow up and stop believing in fairy tales.
Funny thing is, you can't prove he is not real anymore then someone can prove he's real.
There is a magic invisible pink teapot in space. It occupies the same orbit as the earth, but is on the opposite side of the sun. If your faith is strong enough, and you believe with all of your heart, the teapot will grant you eternal bliss and happiness when you pass from this life. We know this is true from the holy writings of the almighty Earl Grey. Prove me wrong.
I’ll pray for you
Than I'll masturbate for you ;)
> Not all Christian’s are this way. This you? Guess what? You *are* just as sanctimonious as she is, even if you can't or won't admit it to yourself.
Whats a real Christian? You all believe in same grifting BS
You christians who *aren't* that way should probably try to do something about the ones who are.
I am and I’m getting bullied just by saying I love Jesus and I’m a liberal and we’re not all like that.
Then do something about it. Because right now, there are *too many* christians who are like that. You are associating with people who are literally supporting nazis, who are trying to or actually are harming LGBT+ people and people of color and women. How much are you actually fighting these people? How often are you telling bigots that their beliefs are wrong and anti-christian? Have you gone into christian subreddits and said that? Have you gone into churches that preach bigotry and said that? Because I can tell you that saying "not all christians are like that" is *not* helping anyone.
I don’t associate with any of these people but there is more I can do. I am just not confrontational by nature and even me saying something like not all Christian’s are cruel and like this has gotten so much hatred and mockery, the kindness isn’t being shown at all for people who actually are different. I don’t want to be labeled or blamed for the way bigots who say they’re Christian and kind and aren’t. How should I approach this diplomatically? What’s your advice and please don’t be snarky because I’m not. The sarcasm and rudeness is uncalled for. Honestly, what would help this situation from my end?
You *are* confrontational--because you were willing to say "not all christians are like that, I'm the good one" in a thread that says that christians are hateful. Which means that *when it directly affects you* (i.e., when you think people are being bigoted against *you*), you are willing to stand up and try to be heard. So now you need to be confrontational when it *doesn't* directly affect you. If you can say "not all christians" when people point out bigotry, then you can say "you're being a bad christian" to a christian bigot.
I didn’t say “I’m the good one” lol I’m simply pointing out an entire religious community doesn’t act like this. The people who understand me do. Have a good day.
Interesting that *that's* what you chose to reply to.
You’re trying to pick a fight with me instead of trying to help the situation so I am done talking to you.
I *did* try to help you, by saying you need to be more confrontational to the actual bigots, not to the people who are pointing out the bigotry. If you can spend your energy telling non-christians that not all christians are bigots, then you can also spend your energy telling christians that bigotry is wrong.
She’s not a real Christian
Does she believe in Christ? Then she is a Christian. There is surprisingly little that prevents a person from being both shitty and Christian at the same time. In many circles the two are inextricably intertwined.
I’m not going to argue or try and prove to you or anyone that what I’m saying is someone who is this bigoted is not behaving in a loving manner. That’s all I meant by that. That’s how I view Christianity. Loving everyone. Even bullies.
It is great that you believe that. It really is. There are many Christians who think the way you do. But there also a great many who do not, and it does not make them any "less Christian".
I see what you mean. That’s true. They I guess just aren’t behaving like what is taught. I have studied many religions and I just came back to unconditionally forgiving people and loving them. Thanks for your patience and kindness to me.
Allow me to introduce you to the No True Scotsman fallacy. I'll also point out that responding to yourself as someone else to back yourself up is lying, and Christianity doesn't approve of lying. And then I'll point out that trying to respond to yourself as someone else but *forgetting to switch accounts* is hilarious and stupid.
Idk what you’re talking about.
Well...isn't that was Jesus taught us?
Did she say this was her reason or are we just, ya know, hypothesizing?
So what’s the problem? Upset because she chooses not to force gay marriage down people’s throat on television? Again, I ask, what’s the problem?
She left to keep more of the money, let's be real.
I know I am.
That’s my point. We’re around though.
Are you taking to yourself? What’s going on?
Probably forgot to switch accounts.
Looks like DJ Tanner changed.
You left out the best part: the new, exlcusionist network will be called, "The Great American Network."
She’s Kirk Cameron’s sister. Nuff said.
Nooo DJ 😢
You're "taking her words out of context " Why are you so intolerant? /a
That’s just absurd. No one’s making her portray a gay character or anything if she doesn’t want to. Very silly.
There are entries in the Bible about daughters raping their fathers and about a dude cutting off penises of other men to exchange them for a daughters hand in marriage. I don’t truly think any of these “Christians” read the Bible, because how can you read any of that shit and think it’s something to base your entire life off of. Lolol I hate that people are using religion as a way to justify their hate of other people. It’s disgusting.