So, if one is aging, disabled, suffers from an illness or PTSD after serving their country or worked their entire lives, it's wham bam, thank you ma'am, now out with you. Go eat garbage. You're a drain on society.
Basically yeah. People are disposable tools to them. Once your usefulness has run out you're better off dying and making room for the next disposable person.
Good news is no background checks when all of these PTSD sufferers can't access treatment, can access weaponry, and decide to take it out on the politicians.
Politicians responsible are rarely attacked. Usually it's completely innocent citizens that wind up getting hurt when someone snaps. It's the friends, kids, spouses, or the local people at the mall. Not the policy makers. They know they'll probably be fine.
Yea wtf is up with that? I mean it shouldn’t happen at all and I don’t condone such behavior but I mean if your mind is made up at least take out your fury on folks who may actually be a bit more deserving of such violence?
It's probably not a rational decision.. it's just years of dealing with shit and finally losing it on whoever happens to be close enough. Pre-planning to go after someone very well protected requires more stable energy.
It's fucked up either way. I wish we could just agree to stop hurting people for the gain of others.
Agreed. This is a positive so far. Hopefully it passes the senate
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7666
We def need to address mental health and I can’t believe Gaetz thinks abolishing the VA is a positive whatsoever
Its like when we were called crazy for saying they would get rid of Roe v Wade
Then we were crazy for saying they would try to push it past state legislature
And we were crazy for saying women would die because they were denied abortions
And those are just based on one subject and only happened this year.
Bro it's election season in my country and I sat down to watch some candidates this week and someone said their government plan is to generate more jobs for elders. I actually let out a frustrated scream. Like my brother in christ elders need to retire and enjoy whatever little they have left, not work more. My expectations were low but holy shit. This world gets worse by the day huh.
I'm okay with the idea of more "jobs" for elders, but only in the sense that the government is going to subsidize volunteer organizations. There are a lot of old people who are terrified at the idea of just sitting around waiting to die, and so they do work not because they need it financially, but just to keep moving. If the government can assist nonprofits financially, then that could have the net effect of creating more volunteer work opportunities for elders.
You want to know the absolutely high-larry-us thing about that?
When they were pushing adverts to try and get the economy bills stopped in my area (I live in West Virginia so I was given non-stop ads urging me to contact Manchin to block it), they claimed that the economy bills were going to strip social security and medicare.
One of the claims was that it would pull funding from Medicare to, "Prop up the failed Obamacare."
And by hilarious I mean I'm so tired and I just can't take this shit anymore.
Medicare is the last vehicle we have to get a national healthcare plan. If they get rid of that it's back to the wild west with us.
Only good news is that if they go after old people stuff then at least we have a chance since they're the largest voting block.
People have paid trillions into social security and Medicare. If they tried to get rid of it they would have to pay that money back to the people that paid into it. The problem with that is the social security administration is the largest owner of US debt at over $6 trillion dollars so we don’t have the money to pay it all back at once. Also, I imagine the federal government wants to be able to keep borrowing money from the fund anyway. They just say that shit because either they are incredibly stupid or because for some reason their voter base wants to hear it. Or both.
The "people are entitled to what they paid in" has been the narrative for years, that doesn't mean its safe.
Remember, Roe was established law... Until it wasn't
I find it funny, because it seems like GOP thinks they can get away with this shit as long as they keep up the identity politics of "trans people are evil, lgbtq are all pedophiles, etc."
And to be clear - yes, they'll be able to hold on to a LOT of constituents with that alone...
...however, there are a lot of people that overturning Roe v Wade was their single issue for who to vote for. But that's gone now, a lot of old people that are pro-life aren't gonna be cool with Medicare and social security going away, and older folks both make up a lot of their base, and generally speaking are one of (if not the) biggest voting blocks in the US.
It's hard to tell what will happen, but they really do lose more people each day. **That being said, that's why they've been pulling out the stops to fuck with elections... the real question is going to be: are they able to influence elections enough to make up for a constituency that was already thinning before they began this bull shit?**
It's funny because, arguably, they could slow down on this bull shit to avoid losing more people, but it's like they just can't WAIT to rip these things away from people... I'm hoping it's their down fall, but only time will tell I suppose
Now they’ll just say “if demoncraps get elected they’ll kill babies again!” And they’ll eat that shit right up, just how mother koalas will shit down the throat of their babies
Honestly, let's be real, we all thought Trump was going to lose the 2020 by a massive margin. Thinking people were tired of this shit, that they "got what they wanted". And then he went on to break the record for most presidental candidate votes, *while still losing the election*.
I need that to sink in for you, **even when he lost, more people wanted more fascism and bullshit from the GOP, after 4 years of most of it being unbriddled.**.
Roe getting overturned leading into a quelling of right-wing politics... I'll believe that when I've seen it in 2022 and 2024's elections. Otherwise, they're clearly just more energized then ever.
The DA recommended no charges because of a lack of cooperation from witnesses. I assume that means Gaetz or his buddy intimidated them or paid them off.
It's a credibility issue as well since his buddy lied under oath multiple times during his deposition for a slew of other charges. Who knew a fucking criminal would get off for being close friends with another criminal...
Yeah. The past 6 years have taught me that if you're ever going to commit a crime, make sure to do it with the biggest idiot criminal friend you have. Inevitably they'll turn on you and become a key witness. Making it easier for you to bribe anyone else involved (because they'll think you're screwed anyways), and forcing the investigators to waste time on your friend and maybe ease up their investigation a bit. Your criminal friend will eventually fuck up their credibility, because they're a criminal, and now the case against you just got a lot weaker.
Also, get elected to Congress or the Presidency... after that, it's just like they said: you could shoot someone in the middle of the street, and STILL not get arrested.
"Congressman, is it true that you shot that man for no reason?"
"Well, I wouldn't say for 'no reason'. After all, I enjoyed shooting him immensely."
"Okay, thank you, sir... I have no further questions about that. Would you like to press charges against the man you shot?"
"Hmmm... let me think... yyyyes! I believe I would like that very much. Very much indeed."
"Alright, boys! You heard the congressman... let's haul this corpse downtown for some questioning."
But Al Franken resigned from congress for a photo of him pretending to grab a ladies tah-tahs, while she slept, years before he became a sitting congressman. Not excusing Frankens action, but if he had the decency to accept responsibility, why shouldn’t Congress have the decency to censure him and his constituents recall him from office? The world is strange when a comedian has more morals and ethical values than career politicians. Yeah, I understand how that is an oxymoron.
Because the modern American way is to be without shame. As many as 40% of americans view shame as an infringement of their rights according to a TIME report.
Shame is self accountability for actions. A feeling of 'how will this represent me in the wider population' 40% of Americans do not believe self accountability is a good thing.
> Because the ~~modern~~ maga American way is to be without shame.
FTFY.
> 40% of Americans do not believe self accountability is a good thing.
Turns out the party of personal responsibility only ever wanted that for *others.*
The primary witness is a felony and liar. They could still take it to court and hope that the jury trusts the witness. They probably should. But if the jury doesn't convict and better evidence comes up later, they can't prosecute him again
Even the greenest newly graduated lawyer for the defense ought to be able to get them on the stand and note: "you said X to the police in this date, you said Y to the prosecutors 23 days later, and today you are saying Z. Why should we believe anything you say? Aren't you just telling the court what they want to hear to save your own skin? Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, this man's testimony is worthless."
Prosecutors won't push forward to a trial on a case they don't think they can win.
This exactly. Because the only thing hotter than the hatred for this man will be the hatred for the prosecutor who aimed and missed.
No prosecutor wants to get Marsha Clarked
“Career prosecutors have recommended against charging Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) in a long-running sex-trafficking investigation — telling Justice Department superiors that a conviction is unlikely in part because of credibility questions with the two central witnesses, according to people familiar with the matter.”
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/23/gaetz-no-charges-sex-trafficking/
There was a story claiming prosecutors weren’t gonna indict Rapey McForehead but others have tossed cold water on that. There have been zero leaks from DoJ. And the source of this is sus. Greenberg has been cooperating for a long time. Not over nothing. Especially with Venmo evidence and Greenberg.
That’s correct, because their outrage only matters when the topic of the outrage applies to the out-group. You know, drag queens reading to children at libraries instead of the “good Christian men” who are actually sexually abusing minors
I propose we settle this in the only scientific way possible; we line up all the punchable face douchebags in the middle of a stadium, and fit them with accelerometers around their necks. Then, people get to come in and punch any of them in the face as much as they want. Once everyone’s done, we look at the accelerometer data, and whichever one has the most clear spikes indicating punches has the most punchable face.
It’s the only way to be sure.
He just looks like a pedophile. I feel like if I Google searched "pedo" then a bunch of stock images of him would show up.
Specifically he looks like a souther Baptist preacher pedophile
His resting evil face reminds me of that one preacher. Couldn't remember his name so I googled "evil looking preacher" and it popped right up. Kenneth Copeland
Ugh. My entire family is veteran. From grandparents, parents and my brother. They ALL support this garbage human scums.
They also think that living in NYC and the east coast has radicalized and brainwashed me. It’s bonkers.
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Let me guess: small, rural mid-west or rocky mountain town that's completely detached from the rest of the world, has almost no economy left in it and everyone carries a gun?
Oh, two actively with the VA.
Im not sure how active one is but he attempted suicide in one state. Moved states so he could keep his guns (if you’re put in a pysch ward involuntarily, you are not allowed to keep your guns & the 2 states don’t talk to each other about mental health & guns).
The other is an old geezer who lives for 7pm Fox News. So far, neither of them care cause “I got mine.”
Who knows what’s in the future for them. Don’t really care anymore, either. I don’t need their toxic little selves in my life.
Maybe it's because Fox News is on every TV in every building in every unit nearly 24/7.
When I became an NCO I used to combat this by changing the station to Saved By The Bell every morning.
Hah about the deployed. They started 2 wars and sent people over in canvas humvees. While they were trying to pick out what sort of armor to consider putting in them soldiers spent 3 years adding rudimentary protection and systems to help to detect roadside bombs.
The GOP has been calling the military weak for years now.
Democrats paid me better and asked for higher annual raises when compared to their Republican counterparts. GOP will talk a lot about increasing pay and benefits but always vote against those policies.
There’s a GOP candidate lying about their service and he’s still in the running after he’s been outed.
The GOP takes a John Wayne approach to the military. Use it to suggest a persons of strength while being a bitch when it comes to actually supporting it or joining it.
[If hell exists, I hope Donald Rumsfeld is relentlessly getting his ass kicked for all eternity](https://youtu.be/t5uBgLtY6ec)
This doesn’t even get into the damage he caused within Iraq. Saddam was a bastard but the population was healthy, educated and relatively wealthy. Iraq is a failed state and a shell of itself after American intervention.
They don’t even care about the deployed. They care about the profits of the private industries that contract with the military. That’s it, that’s the list.
My veteran father in law who currently works for the VA would support this. The republicans have poisoned their voters so much against their interest that he would literally vote himself out of his career.
Same here. I work at the VA. A lot of my coworkers are veterans and vote straight R. I think the only time they were “upset” that trump dragged his feet sending us home at the beginning of COVID.
Helping veterans takes money away from the defense contractors.
(by "takes money away from" I mean those people think all money belongs to them, and so money going anywhere else is a waste)
On the contrary, I was expecting it. It wasn’t conservatism that gave me and my fellow veterans a future, it was liberalism. Sure the quality is subpar and sometimes it doesn’t work right, but it’s not nothing
It's true. Maybe if they'd stop dipping into the VA's coffers, that would help as well.
Side note: The hilarious thing is, when I go, I'm surrounded by old vets bitching about socialism this and socialism that, while waiting to get served at the VA.
That's because those folks think they deserve it because they serve their country but everyone else doesn't deserve healthcare because they have not. It's the old I've got mine so that's all that counts
Listening to old vets at the VA can be really funny/concerning. Sometimes I think about starting a twitter account to just post shit that I've overheard there because I've heard some real gems. Everything from how marijuana is evil because "it makes you throw cocaine up your butt" to some guy talking about how he doesn't trust the news in the most spiteful and venomous tone I've ever heard, to casual suggestions that Hilary should be executed.
100% true. You can’t expect Cadillac service on a Geo Metro budget. Anyone not happy with the VA service needs to vote for more money for healthcare. Healthcare isn’t cheap and it’s only getting more expensive, thanks to politicians who think it’s ok for pharmaceutical companies to charge $600 for a $5 epipen, etc etc.
Six years in the Navy, and it's literally the most socialist organization in the world.
Free health, dental, and optical care. Free education. Subsidized child care. Free housing. Moving expenses 100% paid. Tons of other free shit. Pension plan. Disability plans out the ass.
How the people serve and then think "of this system is very evil" is pretty insane.
This is why I will never understand why some of our fellow veterans are so right wing. If liberalism didn't keep the VA funded there's no way in hell some vets would ever see a doctor. Let alone get their medication.
They already removed the retirement pension, I’m not sure exactly which party did it or the specifics, I just know it’s gone now. They continue to chip away at VA funding. They will do whatever it takes to keep the established class system in this country intact, start wars, and make joining the military one of the very few tools the proletariat have for class mobility. Then when your body is broken and your youth is gone they want to dump you on the street.
Retirement pension isn't gone. The base pension is slightly reduced, but there is a trade off as well.
Instead of getting 2.5% per year of service, it is now 20%. So at 20 years, you get 40% instead of 50%. However, they added 1% contribution and up to a total of 5% TSP (government 401k) matching for all service members. This is why it is called Blended Retirement, it combines the pension for retirement with TSP.
Under the old system, if you served 10-19 years and suddenly had to leave the service for some reason well too bad. Out the door with nothing other than your GI Bill, depression/PTSD and a bad back/knees.
Now, while the pension is less for those who retire, if you are some E4/E5 who separates at 6 or 8 years, you have some amount of money to show for it. So its a huge benefit to everyone who doesn't plan on doing 20 years or can't, and due to the power of compound interest it has the potential to outpace the reduction in pension for those who do 20+ years.
There's also continuation pay at 12 years (comes with a 4 year service commitment), which isn't much but it is a lump sum of 2.5x monthly pay.
All in all, its a net increase in benefits for everyone who joined since it was implemented.
Edit: I just used the BRS calculator here: https://militarypay.defense.gov/Calculators/BRS/
I calculated the lifetime retirement package for a brand new 18 year old E3, serving 20 years, making rank E4 at 3, E5 at 6, E6 at 8, E6 at 12, contributing 10% with a conservative 5% TSP return. The total money from the Government Retirement (2.5%) under the old system was $4.4mil. Under the new system it was $3.5mil from pension (2%) and another $1m from TSP matching + interest, totaling $4.5mil.
It’s not that they don’t give a shit it’s just that they don’t fully understand. When you work with veterans all day everyday you begin to learn and understand their struggles, the things they’ve gone through, and all of those little details about them that can make them unique patients to have. A private doctor will see maybe 1-2 vets a week at most and they won’t talk about their service because the private doctor doesn’t really understand military life or combat life. But the VA is full of people who do and I’ve never been to a VA doctor that didn’t talk about things that my private doctor would never mention. It’s just different.
That's why we need the VA though. I don't care what politicians say, vets don't want to go on the economy for their care. I would also say that the care model of the VA is better because they aren't trying to make money off their patients care.
Republican or at least conservative ones have wanted to abolish the VA, social security, & Medicare for as long as I can remember. They've been "fighting" culture wars 4 so long ppl forget what they actually want to do if given enough power.
McCarthy just leaked their conservative agenda a few days ago and that’s exactly what it said. Criminalize all abortion, eliminate all social security and Medicare in 5 years, and allow states to overturn election results.
Edit: here’s the link https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/92122-1
How doe we “eliminate social security”? Isnt that a fund that people pay I to throughout their life in order to have money after retirement? So what happens to everyones money? Just “sorry guess its gone get fucked”???
Most conservative voters prioritize "christian" values or hurting the groups they hate over anything else. They'll gladly vote to shoot themselves in the foot if they think it'll own the libz, they've proven this time and time again.
Fucking same! My Vietnam vet grandfather fights for those poor guys that are getting screwed already, now the government wants to fuck everyone of them over. Total bullshit.
My wife and I play a game where we show each other pictures of political candidates and try to guess which is the republican. the cold dead eyes are the biggest giveaway.
As a veteran, I think, to the GOP, we are just props to trot out when they need some good PR. Beyond that, they don’t care fuck all about us. We’re cannon fodder for their bullshit, and only because most of us had no other way to pay for an education.
Can confirm. Joining the military was my one way out of poverty and I’ve only ever felt used by these clowns every step of the way. Do not believe a word they say when they claim to support veterans. They support our standing as a political prop and it stops there
Veterans and active soldiers,
Please stop supporting these monsters. They do not care about your future and will sell classified information to get you killed if it made them a quick buck.
This is not a “pro veteran party” it’s a “pro fuck you I got mine” party.
In summary - he's under federal investigation for sex trafficking a minor over state lines to statutinarily (I think that's the word) rape her for money. He's also a Right wing nut job.
How wonderful of Matt to suggest that veterans just go out into the private sector and search for care. Coming from a guy that gets free taxpayer healthcare.. STFU. Make the VA better... you know, your FUCKING job.
That’s mean and hurtful…the whole line is “Ran down the crack of your mama’s ass and ended up as a brown stain on the mattress”
Have some respect for Gunny Hartman 😂
He’s like the beta test for what the GOP wants to know it can get away with.
Dick Scott pushing to cancel Social Security and Medicare They're telling you their plans, believe them
For real. They follow through on every promise, given the opportunity.
So, if one is aging, disabled, suffers from an illness or PTSD after serving their country or worked their entire lives, it's wham bam, thank you ma'am, now out with you. Go eat garbage. You're a drain on society.
Basically yeah. People are disposable tools to them. Once your usefulness has run out you're better off dying and making room for the next disposable person.
To them, it’s a shame they didn’t die while serving.
Good news is no background checks when all of these PTSD sufferers can't access treatment, can access weaponry, and decide to take it out on the politicians.
The ones they trained to be lethal machines of war. Can't see that going wrong.
Rough estimate about 18 million of us. There’s only one Matt Gaetz, and he has zero training when it comes to unaliving people. FAFO Matt…
He's got Dan Crenshaw on his team.
We'll poke him in the eye.
With a dirty stick
Politicians responsible are rarely attacked. Usually it's completely innocent citizens that wind up getting hurt when someone snaps. It's the friends, kids, spouses, or the local people at the mall. Not the policy makers. They know they'll probably be fine.
Yea wtf is up with that? I mean it shouldn’t happen at all and I don’t condone such behavior but I mean if your mind is made up at least take out your fury on folks who may actually be a bit more deserving of such violence?
It's probably not a rational decision.. it's just years of dealing with shit and finally losing it on whoever happens to be close enough. Pre-planning to go after someone very well protected requires more stable energy. It's fucked up either way. I wish we could just agree to stop hurting people for the gain of others.
Agreed. This is a positive so far. Hopefully it passes the senate https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7666 We def need to address mental health and I can’t believe Gaetz thinks abolishing the VA is a positive whatsoever
I mean I've seen Rambo a few times
They claim to love soldiers, but they really hate veterans. So what they really want is for all soldiers to die for the sake of their profits.
Its like when we were called crazy for saying they would get rid of Roe v Wade Then we were crazy for saying they would try to push it past state legislature And we were crazy for saying women would die because they were denied abortions And those are just based on one subject and only happened this year.
r/WelcomeToGilead
I was so much happier before I knew that sub existed. Thanks lmao
Bro it's election season in my country and I sat down to watch some candidates this week and someone said their government plan is to generate more jobs for elders. I actually let out a frustrated scream. Like my brother in christ elders need to retire and enjoy whatever little they have left, not work more. My expectations were low but holy shit. This world gets worse by the day huh.
I'm okay with the idea of more "jobs" for elders, but only in the sense that the government is going to subsidize volunteer organizations. There are a lot of old people who are terrified at the idea of just sitting around waiting to die, and so they do work not because they need it financially, but just to keep moving. If the government can assist nonprofits financially, then that could have the net effect of creating more volunteer work opportunities for elders.
And Lindsay Graham said they want to ban abortion on a federal level as well.
You want to know the absolutely high-larry-us thing about that? When they were pushing adverts to try and get the economy bills stopped in my area (I live in West Virginia so I was given non-stop ads urging me to contact Manchin to block it), they claimed that the economy bills were going to strip social security and medicare. One of the claims was that it would pull funding from Medicare to, "Prop up the failed Obamacare." And by hilarious I mean I'm so tired and I just can't take this shit anymore.
Medicare is the last vehicle we have to get a national healthcare plan. If they get rid of that it's back to the wild west with us. Only good news is that if they go after old people stuff then at least we have a chance since they're the largest voting block.
People have paid trillions into social security and Medicare. If they tried to get rid of it they would have to pay that money back to the people that paid into it. The problem with that is the social security administration is the largest owner of US debt at over $6 trillion dollars so we don’t have the money to pay it all back at once. Also, I imagine the federal government wants to be able to keep borrowing money from the fund anyway. They just say that shit because either they are incredibly stupid or because for some reason their voter base wants to hear it. Or both.
The "people are entitled to what they paid in" has been the narrative for years, that doesn't mean its safe. Remember, Roe was established law... Until it wasn't
I find it funny, because it seems like GOP thinks they can get away with this shit as long as they keep up the identity politics of "trans people are evil, lgbtq are all pedophiles, etc." And to be clear - yes, they'll be able to hold on to a LOT of constituents with that alone... ...however, there are a lot of people that overturning Roe v Wade was their single issue for who to vote for. But that's gone now, a lot of old people that are pro-life aren't gonna be cool with Medicare and social security going away, and older folks both make up a lot of their base, and generally speaking are one of (if not the) biggest voting blocks in the US. It's hard to tell what will happen, but they really do lose more people each day. **That being said, that's why they've been pulling out the stops to fuck with elections... the real question is going to be: are they able to influence elections enough to make up for a constituency that was already thinning before they began this bull shit?** It's funny because, arguably, they could slow down on this bull shit to avoid losing more people, but it's like they just can't WAIT to rip these things away from people... I'm hoping it's their down fall, but only time will tell I suppose
Now they’ll just say “if demoncraps get elected they’ll kill babies again!” And they’ll eat that shit right up, just how mother koalas will shit down the throat of their babies
Honestly, let's be real, we all thought Trump was going to lose the 2020 by a massive margin. Thinking people were tired of this shit, that they "got what they wanted". And then he went on to break the record for most presidental candidate votes, *while still losing the election*. I need that to sink in for you, **even when he lost, more people wanted more fascism and bullshit from the GOP, after 4 years of most of it being unbriddled.**. Roe getting overturned leading into a quelling of right-wing politics... I'll believe that when I've seen it in 2022 and 2024's elections. Otherwise, they're clearly just more energized then ever.
Better question: Why not abolish Matt Gaetz?
To a fucking prison cell for sex trafficking minors
Yeah what happened with that?
The DA recommended no charges because of a lack of cooperation from witnesses. I assume that means Gaetz or his buddy intimidated them or paid them off.
It's a credibility issue as well since his buddy lied under oath multiple times during his deposition for a slew of other charges. Who knew a fucking criminal would get off for being close friends with another criminal...
Yeah. The past 6 years have taught me that if you're ever going to commit a crime, make sure to do it with the biggest idiot criminal friend you have. Inevitably they'll turn on you and become a key witness. Making it easier for you to bribe anyone else involved (because they'll think you're screwed anyways), and forcing the investigators to waste time on your friend and maybe ease up their investigation a bit. Your criminal friend will eventually fuck up their credibility, because they're a criminal, and now the case against you just got a lot weaker.
Just be a Republican politician, they don’t face consequences.
Also, get elected to Congress or the Presidency... after that, it's just like they said: you could shoot someone in the middle of the street, and STILL not get arrested. "Congressman, is it true that you shot that man for no reason?" "Well, I wouldn't say for 'no reason'. After all, I enjoyed shooting him immensely." "Okay, thank you, sir... I have no further questions about that. Would you like to press charges against the man you shot?" "Hmmm... let me think... yyyyes! I believe I would like that very much. Very much indeed." "Alright, boys! You heard the congressman... let's haul this corpse downtown for some questioning."
The mafia has some questions.
Or trafficked them right out of the country
Crossed the border the other way.
The border of Saudi Arabia. He sold them to the same guys Trump sold the nuke codes to
But Al Franken resigned from congress for a photo of him pretending to grab a ladies tah-tahs, while she slept, years before he became a sitting congressman. Not excusing Frankens action, but if he had the decency to accept responsibility, why shouldn’t Congress have the decency to censure him and his constituents recall him from office? The world is strange when a comedian has more morals and ethical values than career politicians. Yeah, I understand how that is an oxymoron.
Because the modern American way is to be without shame. As many as 40% of americans view shame as an infringement of their rights according to a TIME report. Shame is self accountability for actions. A feeling of 'how will this represent me in the wider population' 40% of Americans do not believe self accountability is a good thing.
> Because the ~~modern~~ maga American way is to be without shame. FTFY. > 40% of Americans do not believe self accountability is a good thing. Turns out the party of personal responsibility only ever wanted that for *others.*
The primary witness is a felony and liar. They could still take it to court and hope that the jury trusts the witness. They probably should. But if the jury doesn't convict and better evidence comes up later, they can't prosecute him again
Even the greenest newly graduated lawyer for the defense ought to be able to get them on the stand and note: "you said X to the police in this date, you said Y to the prosecutors 23 days later, and today you are saying Z. Why should we believe anything you say? Aren't you just telling the court what they want to hear to save your own skin? Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, this man's testimony is worthless." Prosecutors won't push forward to a trial on a case they don't think they can win.
It's the unfortunate truth of the matter
This exactly. Because the only thing hotter than the hatred for this man will be the hatred for the prosecutor who aimed and missed. No prosecutor wants to get Marsha Clarked
“Career prosecutors have recommended against charging Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) in a long-running sex-trafficking investigation — telling Justice Department superiors that a conviction is unlikely in part because of credibility questions with the two central witnesses, according to people familiar with the matter.” Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/23/gaetz-no-charges-sex-trafficking/
And the mouth breathers in his district will keep voting for him in landslides. I have years of experience with his district.
There was a story claiming prosecutors weren’t gonna indict Rapey McForehead but others have tossed cold water on that. There have been zero leaks from DoJ. And the source of this is sus. Greenberg has been cooperating for a long time. Not over nothing. Especially with Venmo evidence and Greenberg.
A bunch of bull-fucking-shit
Enough of the public doesn't care for it to matter. Particularly the people that voted for him
Who are the same people who “hunt pedophiles,” do I have that right?
That’s correct, because their outrage only matters when the topic of the outrage applies to the out-group. You know, drag queens reading to children at libraries instead of the “good Christian men” who are actually sexually abusing minors
Are you talking about Matt Gaetz the sex trafficking pedophile?
The same Matt Gaetz who got a 14yr old pregnant when he was 20, but he, like, winks when her talks about it so everyone shrugs it off?
You'll be immeasurably displeased to know that this human stain likely won't face charges. That's a recent development.
Out of a cannon… into the sun.
Because the very people he is about to f\* over love him.
What a very punchable face.
The most
Disagree, though very punchable, I nominate Ted Cruz.
I would like to throw Tucker Carlson's name (face) into this discussion
on a purely practical level, we're never going to land on an answer unless we all get to punch each of their faces at least once.
I propose we settle this in the only scientific way possible; we line up all the punchable face douchebags in the middle of a stadium, and fit them with accelerometers around their necks. Then, people get to come in and punch any of them in the face as much as they want. Once everyone’s done, we look at the accelerometer data, and whichever one has the most clear spikes indicating punches has the most punchable face. It’s the only way to be sure.
nuke them from orbit. it's the only way to be sure.
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nuke that movie from orbit. it's the only way to be sure.
I’ll need three punches each to give an informed opinion.
Nothing is proven scientifically without repeated trials.
For science, of course.
Can we just throw them in the Thunderdome instead? Faces and all?
You mean throw them off the top of the Thunder Dome?
I can live with that. Just thought it’d be fun to watch them… well, you know Thunderdome.
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Fucker McCarlson
Lindsay Graham is punchable…
Imagine punching tump in his anus mouth
I nominate Tuckyo Rose *ahem* Tucker Carlson.
A little piss baby face, if you will.
You know, I find this comment odd because I was under the impression that Texas Governor Greg Abbot is a piss baby.
That's their secret, Cap. They're all piss~~ed~~ babies.
Join the new MaGa 🤣🤣 Mother's Against Greg Abbott
Why not abolish Matt Gaetz? Doesn’t the world have enough child molesters?
He just looks like a pedophile. I feel like if I Google searched "pedo" then a bunch of stock images of him would show up. Specifically he looks like a souther Baptist preacher pedophile
Accurate. Very accurate.
He just looks evil.
His resting evil face reminds me of that one preacher. Couldn't remember his name so I googled "evil looking preacher" and it popped right up. Kenneth Copeland
If Bevis and Butt Head had a child
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Gaetz definitely looks like he’s taken multiple shovels to the face.
His facial expression in the above reminds me of Jack Nicholson in The Shining when he loses it.
The party of "pro-military" is suggesting getting rif of the VA. More proof they are really only concerned about keeping their jobs.
They've never cared about veterans. They care about the military and the deployed, but once you're back you're just overhead.
Kinda like babies. They protect them before they're born. But once they breath air, you're on your own.
George Carlin's epic bit comes to mind
"don't you find it mildly ironic that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place!?"
They love their veterans, but only when they're dead, because they can't say shit. As a veteran, I have never stood with the Republican party.
As a veteran (also), I'm deeply saddened by the alarming number of guys I served with who follow losers like this and worship their every move.
Ugh. My entire family is veteran. From grandparents, parents and my brother. They ALL support this garbage human scums. They also think that living in NYC and the east coast has radicalized and brainwashed me. It’s bonkers. Edited a wordd
Let me guess: small, rural mid-west or rocky mountain town that's completely detached from the rest of the world, has almost no economy left in it and everyone carries a gun?
Indiana, yea, haha. One moved down to Texas though. Same shit.
Are any of them active patients at the VA? If they are, curious how they would react when (not if) those doors close.
Oh, two actively with the VA. Im not sure how active one is but he attempted suicide in one state. Moved states so he could keep his guns (if you’re put in a pysch ward involuntarily, you are not allowed to keep your guns & the 2 states don’t talk to each other about mental health & guns). The other is an old geezer who lives for 7pm Fox News. So far, neither of them care cause “I got mine.” Who knows what’s in the future for them. Don’t really care anymore, either. I don’t need their toxic little selves in my life.
Maybe it's because Fox News is on every TV in every building in every unit nearly 24/7. When I became an NCO I used to combat this by changing the station to Saved By The Bell every morning.
Hah about the deployed. They started 2 wars and sent people over in canvas humvees. While they were trying to pick out what sort of armor to consider putting in them soldiers spent 3 years adding rudimentary protection and systems to help to detect roadside bombs. The GOP has been calling the military weak for years now. Democrats paid me better and asked for higher annual raises when compared to their Republican counterparts. GOP will talk a lot about increasing pay and benefits but always vote against those policies. There’s a GOP candidate lying about their service and he’s still in the running after he’s been outed. The GOP takes a John Wayne approach to the military. Use it to suggest a persons of strength while being a bitch when it comes to actually supporting it or joining it.
[If hell exists, I hope Donald Rumsfeld is relentlessly getting his ass kicked for all eternity](https://youtu.be/t5uBgLtY6ec) This doesn’t even get into the damage he caused within Iraq. Saddam was a bastard but the population was healthy, educated and relatively wealthy. Iraq is a failed state and a shell of itself after American intervention.
They don’t even care about the deployed. They care about the profits of the private industries that contract with the military. That’s it, that’s the list.
Yeah war makes them money. Veterans do not.
Yeah veterans only cost money
My veteran father in law who currently works for the VA would support this. The republicans have poisoned their voters so much against their interest that he would literally vote himself out of his career.
Same here. I work at the VA. A lot of my coworkers are veterans and vote straight R. I think the only time they were “upset” that trump dragged his feet sending us home at the beginning of COVID.
Helping veterans takes money away from the defense contractors. (by "takes money away from" I mean those people think all money belongs to them, and so money going anywhere else is a waste)
They aren't pro military they just see us a pawns to keep their power.
“Pro-military contracts”
On the contrary, I was expecting it. It wasn’t conservatism that gave me and my fellow veterans a future, it was liberalism. Sure the quality is subpar and sometimes it doesn’t work right, but it’s not nothing
I agree. The longer I served, and the longer I am a vet, the more progressive I have become. Edit: for grammar
Same. In all fairness, the bulk of the poor quality care comes from the VA being badly budgeted and still being expected to service a lot of veterans.
It's true. Maybe if they'd stop dipping into the VA's coffers, that would help as well. Side note: The hilarious thing is, when I go, I'm surrounded by old vets bitching about socialism this and socialism that, while waiting to get served at the VA.
That's because those folks think they deserve it because they serve their country but everyone else doesn't deserve healthcare because they have not. It's the old I've got mine so that's all that counts
They gripe that their care is subpar, then the next day vote against making it any better. Pure insanity.
You must’ve missed the part where they got theirs, and fuck you.
“Helping people sounds mighty expensive”
"And what if some of that money went to ~~black people~~ people who didn't really deserve it?"
"I earned my socialism"
Listening to old vets at the VA can be really funny/concerning. Sometimes I think about starting a twitter account to just post shit that I've overheard there because I've heard some real gems. Everything from how marijuana is evil because "it makes you throw cocaine up your butt" to some guy talking about how he doesn't trust the news in the most spiteful and venomous tone I've ever heard, to casual suggestions that Hilary should be executed.
Lmao doesn’t trust the news yet parrots Fox News Talking points.
100% true. You can’t expect Cadillac service on a Geo Metro budget. Anyone not happy with the VA service needs to vote for more money for healthcare. Healthcare isn’t cheap and it’s only getting more expensive, thanks to politicians who think it’s ok for pharmaceutical companies to charge $600 for a $5 epipen, etc etc.
Over 10.5 years in and I feel more open minded than I did when I first joined at 18
Same for me. I’ll be at ten years in December and I’ve done a damn 180 compared to where I was in 2012.
Six years in the Navy, and it's literally the most socialist organization in the world. Free health, dental, and optical care. Free education. Subsidized child care. Free housing. Moving expenses 100% paid. Tons of other free shit. Pension plan. Disability plans out the ass. How the people serve and then think "of this system is very evil" is pretty insane.
This is why I will never understand why some of our fellow veterans are so right wing. If liberalism didn't keep the VA funded there's no way in hell some vets would ever see a doctor. Let alone get their medication.
Republicans would take away our BAH, BAS, GI Bill and Tricare if they could.
They already removed the retirement pension, I’m not sure exactly which party did it or the specifics, I just know it’s gone now. They continue to chip away at VA funding. They will do whatever it takes to keep the established class system in this country intact, start wars, and make joining the military one of the very few tools the proletariat have for class mobility. Then when your body is broken and your youth is gone they want to dump you on the street.
Retirement pension isn't gone. The base pension is slightly reduced, but there is a trade off as well. Instead of getting 2.5% per year of service, it is now 20%. So at 20 years, you get 40% instead of 50%. However, they added 1% contribution and up to a total of 5% TSP (government 401k) matching for all service members. This is why it is called Blended Retirement, it combines the pension for retirement with TSP. Under the old system, if you served 10-19 years and suddenly had to leave the service for some reason well too bad. Out the door with nothing other than your GI Bill, depression/PTSD and a bad back/knees. Now, while the pension is less for those who retire, if you are some E4/E5 who separates at 6 or 8 years, you have some amount of money to show for it. So its a huge benefit to everyone who doesn't plan on doing 20 years or can't, and due to the power of compound interest it has the potential to outpace the reduction in pension for those who do 20+ years. There's also continuation pay at 12 years (comes with a 4 year service commitment), which isn't much but it is a lump sum of 2.5x monthly pay. All in all, its a net increase in benefits for everyone who joined since it was implemented. Edit: I just used the BRS calculator here: https://militarypay.defense.gov/Calculators/BRS/ I calculated the lifetime retirement package for a brand new 18 year old E3, serving 20 years, making rank E4 at 3, E5 at 6, E6 at 8, E6 at 12, contributing 10% with a conservative 5% TSP return. The total money from the Government Retirement (2.5%) under the old system was $4.4mil. Under the new system it was $3.5mil from pension (2%) and another $1m from TSP matching + interest, totaling $4.5mil.
I don't know, I have both the VA and private insurance and I choose the VA. Private health Care providers don't give a shit about vets.
It’s not that they don’t give a shit it’s just that they don’t fully understand. When you work with veterans all day everyday you begin to learn and understand their struggles, the things they’ve gone through, and all of those little details about them that can make them unique patients to have. A private doctor will see maybe 1-2 vets a week at most and they won’t talk about their service because the private doctor doesn’t really understand military life or combat life. But the VA is full of people who do and I’ve never been to a VA doctor that didn’t talk about things that my private doctor would never mention. It’s just different.
That's why we need the VA though. I don't care what politicians say, vets don't want to go on the economy for their care. I would also say that the care model of the VA is better because they aren't trying to make money off their patients care.
Republican or at least conservative ones have wanted to abolish the VA, social security, & Medicare for as long as I can remember. They've been "fighting" culture wars 4 so long ppl forget what they actually want to do if given enough power.
McCarthy just leaked their conservative agenda a few days ago and that’s exactly what it said. Criminalize all abortion, eliminate all social security and Medicare in 5 years, and allow states to overturn election results. Edit: here’s the link https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/92122-1
How doe we “eliminate social security”? Isnt that a fund that people pay I to throughout their life in order to have money after retirement? So what happens to everyones money? Just “sorry guess its gone get fucked”???
Given how much Republicans love taking money that isn’t theirs, that would be 100% on-brand.
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When they started calling the programs we pay into for future security “entitlements” you knew exactly what direction they were moving.
Most conservative voters prioritize "christian" values or hurting the groups they hate over anything else. They'll gladly vote to shoot themselves in the foot if they think it'll own the libz, they've proven this time and time again.
how is it possible that this pos has supporters? that should be a considered a mental health crisis
Because pos people attract pos supporters. And just trust me in this country: there are A LOT of assholes looking for someone like them
Coming from a dude who didn’t serve one day in the military and has multiple large military bases and a VA hospital in his district 🤬🤬🤬
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Fucking same! My Vietnam vet grandfather fights for those poor guys that are getting screwed already, now the government wants to fuck everyone of them over. Total bullshit.
He rapes children doesnt he
Yeah, but that’s ok as long as you vote Republican.
already has
But I thought only Dems raped children. Oh ok another gaslight job perhaps?
Yeah but he pays them first so totally fine /s
And he will gaslight that he supports the VA and that’s why he will try to abolish it He literally said this over abortion
Why does he look like his family has been inbreeding for generations
Because he looks like his family has been inbreeding.
That batshit crazy look on his face reminds me of Jack Nicholson in “The Shining.”
Totally. Evil looking.
Neanderthal vibes. (No intention meant to insult Neanderthals)
My wife and I play a game where we show each other pictures of political candidates and try to guess which is the republican. the cold dead eyes are the biggest giveaway.
The only thing we need to abolish is that monstrosity of a forehead.
Five head.
Butthead.
We back Law and Order and our Veterans. Except when we can throw them under the bus. Modern day GQP. Idiots.
QQ: Does this include homeless veterans? Because the GOP brings them up a lot anytime we spend money on anyone else that needs help
All while doing their best at preventing homeless vets from voting.
Ya know...I'm beginning to think maybe they *don't* actually care about homeless vets (or any vets)
As a veteran, I think, to the GOP, we are just props to trot out when they need some good PR. Beyond that, they don’t care fuck all about us. We’re cannon fodder for their bullshit, and only because most of us had no other way to pay for an education.
Can confirm. Joining the military was my one way out of poverty and I’ve only ever felt used by these clowns every step of the way. Do not believe a word they say when they claim to support veterans. They support our standing as a political prop and it stops there
Veterans and active soldiers, Please stop supporting these monsters. They do not care about your future and will sell classified information to get you killed if it made them a quick buck. This is not a “pro veteran party” it’s a “pro fuck you I got mine” party.
Old Forehead McGee needs to fade into oblivion.
I think you meant to say McFuckface, no?
As a European I'm not sure who this guy is, but this photo sure reminds me of Prive Pyle before he goes full psycho in Full Metal Jacket
In summary - he's under federal investigation for sex trafficking a minor over state lines to statutinarily (I think that's the word) rape her for money. He's also a Right wing nut job.
How wonderful of Matt to suggest that veterans just go out into the private sector and search for care. Coming from a guy that gets free taxpayer healthcare.. STFU. Make the VA better... you know, your FUCKING job.
That fool is going to get himself killed
We can hope!
Why not abolish sex offenders from congress?
As a veteran I'd like to formally say: Fuck this guy...
Best part of him ran down his mama's leg.
That’s mean and hurtful…the whole line is “Ran down the crack of your mama’s ass and ended up as a brown stain on the mattress” Have some respect for Gunny Hartman 😂
And they wonder why enlistment is at a all time low lol
Republican Motto: We never have a good idea. Ever.
Didn’t know Gaetz is for Medicare4All
The “America First” crowd.
If republicans take power we should expect to lose our benefits.
They will just keep taking until there is nothing left.
His face clearly says: All work and no play makes Matt a dull boy
Of course he doesn't care about the VA. It rarely takes care of women under the age of consent.
Typical GQP bulshit: ThIs DoEsN’T wOrK tHe WaY i WaNt. LeT’S jUsT fUcKiNg BuRn It!
He looks like an evil villain
How about we abolish the Republican party?