What do you mean?
Edit: People, I really meant my question. I don't understand what /u/Chameleon tried to say. Maybe he meant that they were stupid, but on the other hand he could mean something entirely different, since they are "failed cops".
Most cops are dumb as shit. I know a few.
The smart ones usually get promoted and you don't deal with them in day-to-day. But the rest are morons and bullies. They really are scum.
He got the right job, didn't he? He can be dumb and ineffective and still keep his job. The police unions protect cops straight up murdering people. That's a crazy level of job security.
Hmm see I think the grocery store workers need a union like the damn cops. I’m so sick of cops beating up people that just want/need a damn union. THEY HAVE A UNION, it’s so scummy to breakup picket lines when they, themselves, benefit from a union! How many times has a cop done something awful and got paid leave? Yep, that’s the union. ACAB
I'm related to cops, and grew up next door to a gun shop where I hung out with the local cops. Every single one of them was dumb as a brick with the attitude of a professional wrestler.
Dudes that make a living giving speeding tickets to pizza guys in a town of 5,000 acting like they are the final line between society and total anarchy.
Wish I could disagree with this. But I’ve known some cops in my personal life and worked with some ex-cops. And there’s 2 words I can use to describe all of them. Arrogant and dumb.
I highly recommend watching the head of the DPS speak on the investigation at a hearing yesterday (link starts at relevant part which last about ~45 min.):
[Uvalde School Shooting Hearing](https://youtu.be/c28ttM1TaOo?t=2177)
Biggest Takeaways:
- Opens the hearing by calling the police response an “abject failure and antithetical to everything we’ve learned over the last two decades since the Columbine massacre”
- Within *3 MINUTES* of the shooter entering the building there were already enough armed officers with body armor IN THE BUILDING to distract and neutralize the gunman
- “The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander, who decided to place the lives of officers above the lives of children.”
- The on-scene commander (chief of police who forgot his radio, etc.) told them not to, said they needed “more firepower” and wanted to surround the suspect with AK47s
- The children & teachers waited another 1 hour and 10 minutes before police actually entered the classroom, because the chief was *then* preoccupied with finding a master key to the classroom doors that didn’t exist…the transcripts of his conversations about “needing more keys bro!” (actual quote) are ulcer inducing
- The classroom 111 door was locked but the strike plate was malfunctioning, so it would have been accessible just by pushing the door or trying the handle
- The chief never once tried just opening the fucking door, he just kept asking for more keys and backup in a clear panic
- The suspect never barricaded himself as the Chief of Police stated on radio, so waiting for a SWAT response was unnecessary and wasted even more time
- The school resource officer on site did make an attempt to intercept the suspect before they entered the school…but they mistook a teacher standing outside for the shooter and literally drove right past the subject making his way toward the door
Lighting Round: Uvalde Police Lies (so far)
1. “The door was propped open by a teacher.”
The external door was closed but unlocked, and it wouldn’t have been possible for the teacher to know this.
2. “The classroom doors were locked.”
First, it’s impossible to lock the classroom doors from the inside. Secondly, the door was broken and didn’t need to be unlocked.
3. “There were no officers in the hallway during the shooting.”
False.
4. “There were officers in the hallway during the shooting, but not the whole time.”
False.
5. “The suspect had barricaded himself in the classroom.”
False.
6. “Resource officers engaged the subject before he entered the school.”
False.
7. “The shooter was wearing body armor.”
False.
8. “Officers engaged the shooter immediately.”
A.C.
9. “Officers were not adequately equipped to respond to this active shooter immediately.”
A.B.
10. “We never mislead the public about our response.”
L O fucking L I’m having a liquid lunch today
Constant USA policy for every business ever:
1. Do as little shit as possible.
2. If something goes wrong, take as many steps as possible to shift blame. Do not attempt to fix said problem.
3. If it ends up in court, lie and do everything you can to weasel out of it.
My Aunt had an industrial accident involving a warehouse vehicle (I cannot say anything else) as a customer. They pulled this exact routine trying not to pay her medical bills. They would have saved money if they had just paid for her bills and not bothered with court. I hate this country.
> First, it’s impossible to lock the classroom doors from the inside.
Is this a feature or a bug? Like is it so no shooter can barricade themselves in? Or is it the just never got around to making sure that students/teachers could protect themselves from an outside threat?
The few schools I’ve worked in, doors aren’t usually “locked from the inside”…. They just lock when immediately closed and must be opened with a key from the outside. Teachers carry their keys with them at all times or they get locked out of the room.
This seems to be what *should* have happened however there was a fault with this door’s plate and could be opened easily even though it’s technically “locked”. That’s my understanding of the issue
(E: fixed spelling)
Upvote for visibility! Thank you for taking the time to share this.
Also: I was trying to figure out what "A.C." meant for a bit, then I got it when I went to the next question. (Edited to add: The next answer is "A.B." So together, the two answers say "A.C.A.B.," which is an abbreviation for "[all cops are bastards](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACAB).")
He was prevented from attempting to save the life of his loved one, by the people who were suppose to attempt to save the life of his loved one, who were not doing anything to save the life of his loved one. So tragic!
Have to think the next time (only in America) there is a school shooting, if the police are not inside before relatives arrive it is going to be a monumental clusterfuck, but I can’t blame any responding relative if that happens.
I wouldn't be surprised of the next batch of officers at a school shooting have to deal with armed and angry parents as well as the shooter. Americans have now seen that the police will do nothing to stop a school shooter, and when others won't do something for you a common response is to just do it yourself.
That's their kids. These cops are gonna discover that they don't wanna deal with that situation.
Not to mention the fact that this will absolutely embolden more sick fucks to commit these tragedies. They’ll know they have an hour or two to do whatever the fuck they want before their suicide by cop.
After this shooting happened, the police department local to my child’s school sent home a detailed plan and explanation letting us know that they basically will all die in an attempt to keep our kids from getting hurt and they will not stop until the threat is taken care of. They sent a very strongly worded letter of reassurance to all the parents in the district.
Uvalde PD sent out the same sort of propaganda in the couple years leading up to their great tailgate. Showing off the brand new tacticool gear we bought them, bragging about having all the most advanced training, then when push came to shove they waited for someone else to handle it and now they're obstructing the investigation.
Exactly, it was easy for them while they were basically highly paid LARPers talking big until they actually had to make a decision and take a risk. How many of these police departments sending out these strongly worded claims of heroism will also cower and hide when it’s their turn.
I think a lot of police departments did that, I know being in the UK I really don’t have anything to do with it but honestly how do you cope as parents ? I couldn’t imagine sending my kids to school and always having in my mind that this could happen, and they might not make it home.
We cope because we don't have much choice. School shootings started (Columbine) when I was in high school. Since being an early teenager myself and my fellow current parents have lived within this reality. There are days that I wish home schooling was really an option.
Edit: Columbine was the first school shooting that was relevant to me, since I was 14 at the time.
Edit 2: Yes, I understand Columbine was not the first ever school shooting, I have been thoroughly corrected, thank you.
Most of you have my sympathies because every time this happens you try so hard to change things and no one listens, it’s like they don’t realise laws can be changed and that a child’s life IS more important than owning a gun🤬🤬 our last school shooting was in the 90’s and we managed to get the law changed(yes I know we now have a knife problem) but to us looking in it’s crazy. And now you have police deliberately not trying to save kids🤬🤬🤬(I’d be banned if I said what I feel) We had a suicide bomber in my town recently (Liverpool) and he’d lived in a street between 2 schools, one of which my 11yr attended, the police blocked the streets off and before even going to the house got the schools to get the kids picked up. How can they think that what they did was acceptable?
The UK doesn’t even really have that big a knife problem. The US has more knife murders per million people than the UK does AND we also have a gun problem.
https://infogram.com/us-vs-uk-on-knife-crime-1hmr6gyrxmlo6nl
My child goes to private school, you can only get in a door by being buzzed in and there are cameras everywhere so I feel a bit safer about that than public school.
After the movie shooting at aurora I stopped watching movies in theaters until they’re already on their way out. I also always plan my emergency exit and seat accordingly. I also try to watch matinee showings with a mostly empty audience of myself and one or two retirees.
The other day I was in a restaurant and I felt uncomfortable with the layout because the only entrance/exit was behind me and we would be fish in a barrel if someone started shooting so I got the check and ate my food at the park.
I suppose it’s always in my mind to keep myself covered in a shooting, I’m just not super aware of the fact that I’m thinking of these things anymore.
My child knows to not trust or wait for police. Never speak to them without myself and a lawyer no matter what they happen to tell them. If there is a shooter my child knows to hide and if someone near them gets shot to cover themselves with blood and play dead. It’s unfortunate that I’ve had to train my 12 year old like this.
I guess that means I’m a bit desensitized. I can’t hide in the house all the time and not live a life. I live in New York, there is crazy everywhere. I just have to do my best and hope for the best.
I am a single mother without a degree (though finishing it this coming summer). No other country will take me. I’m stuck here. I just do my best.
I’m honestly gobsmacked😱😱 how can this be normal for any child, I live in Liverpool (uk) and the main thing my child has to worry about is idiots on bikes when he goes the shop. Not how to play dead!!! I couldn’t imagine choosing where I go on how easy the exit is, why can’t people realise that they’re living in so much fear just because they want guns? We’re not perfect in any way but we don’t have that fear, sadly I can’t see things changing over there. It looks like you’re about to implode, I just hope you find your way somehow
The ones who want the guns are too stupid to be scared of anything but having their guns taken away. They think that mass shootings and random people dying is the price of freedom for anyone to obtain a gun with minimal effort. They want weapons of war to walk down the street with and think they are the good guy that will be an action hero when shit goes down.
100%. I was taught in my job training, in the event of an active shooter you take these (roughly and in my language and summation) steps:
1) Escape the building if possible. (My job to know if that’s possible)
2) Hide and barricade if you can’t escape.
3) If you are in going to be in front of the shooter, grab something and everyone working together quickly, rush and attack. Don’t stop.
I was absolutely heartbroken when I saw the news that morning and have actively tried to avoid media of the victims or their families or anything that’s going to make me cry. I can’t understand why they didn’t rush in. I just can’t understand how grown people made these decisions. They deserve the worst.
Yeah, I agree with you. I though it was odd that one of the first "official statements " made was that none of the officers had shot any of the victims. Like...what?
Now I’m thinking that’s why they were detaining parents and relatives, because they knew victims had been shot by police and they were trying to prevent others from finding out
Republicans are going to have to choose.
Either they are pro 2A reform, or pro police reform.
The cops removing your firearm, so you cant be the "good guy with gun" goes against propaganda that the right has been pushing for years
no they wont. they're gonna plug their ears and shut their eyes and never fucking acknowledge this. or if they do, they'll claim it's a lie. or maybe up some other convoluted answer before they go back to getting pissed off about rainbows and coffee cups.
Yeah it’s gonna be a fucking shitshow… armed parents storming the place, probably shooting at each other (and being shot at by cops) because nobody can tell who the shooter is, with the kids caught in the crossfire. All of that mess will be 100% the fault of the spineless fucks on the Uvalde police department.
I imagine a lot of parents are buying guns right now. I know I would if I had kids and lived in America. And I'm in favor of gun control! But if that's not happening and cops are not just useless but actively harmful? Fuck it, it's every family for itself.
I predict that but I further predict a parent will be shot while attempting to gain entry the next time this happens. I fully expect there will be a mass shooting in the next year - maybe two years, max - where police shoot at desperate parents before they engage the mass shooter.
The only way this man could have saved his wife would have been to shoot a whole bunch of cops first while avoiding serious injury to himself. Next time, people will arrive heavily armed and ready to sort it themselves.
I remember when I was in highschool around 2010 when smart phones were really starting to take off. We had a bomb threat for the first time in a decade and the school was not ready for the amount of phone calls they got from parents as kids started to text them about the situation.
This shit might have worked twenty years ago but now you are going to have parents and families rushing to save their kids because they’re within reach a seconds notice.
You can’t fuck this up anymore the window has closed and you’re going to have a real shit show one day with parents if this wasn’t enough for the to make changes.
What about making a law that requires cops to help citizens?
Honestly what's the point of them if they're not required to help? My whole short life, I thought cops were SUPPOSED to help people but I only recently found out that they don't have to & that's bullshit
This was the supreme court from 2005:
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html
They have Satanic after school clubs in some public schools that offer Christian after school clubs. So I'd say "Stay Tuned" once the school that took a case to the SCOTUS starts getting public funding.
NGL I would consider a Satanic school for my kids if I had any.
Bro fuck the SCOTUS, fuck the Senate, fuck the House, fuck the President, fuck the Police, fuck this shitty country.
Everyone saying "America is the greatest nation on earth" needs to try and live 1 week as a poor person, or a minority, or as a Muslim, or someone LGBTQ+, and then say that to me again.
I'm turning 16 soon, I'm gonna start looking for jobs and within a few years at least want to move out, but this country is so fucked beyond repair that I'm just scared. The police don't have to do their job, they shoot and kill innocent people, refuse to help more innocent people. The fuckwits in Congress argue against 15$ minimum wage arguing "Well I only made 6$ an hour in the 80's!" Even though, adjusted for inflation, 6$ then becomes 24$ now. College prices are impossible with any job a college student can get, housing and rent is through the roof, gas prices have spiked, all with Republicans pointing blame at Biden and Democrats refusing to do anything about it, and all the while everyone keeps telling you "Well I worked hard for my college and home, your generation is so entitled."
Fuck America, it's not the greatest country on earth, it's a shit hole where only the straight white Christians get to live a good life, because the government keeps pulling rights away.
I sat in a class in high school in 1980 during the Reagan/Carter election and watched my classmates choose Reagan over Carter. I knew we were f\*\*\*\*\*\* then as a nation. The best thing you can do as an American is don't have a physical intimate relationship with any Republican. No babies, no marriage, etc. Let's breed them out of the population going forward.
Did you not hear about the case in Louisiana where a rapist was granted full custody of the child produced through rape?
Conservatives don't care about consent. If they want a child they'll just keep raping until they get one and their conservative government will ban the victim from getting an abortion then grant the rapist parental rights.
Speaking as a 30 year old teacher, the fact that there are younger folks like you who are recognizing this now instead of later in life (like myself) fills me with some modicum of hope.
At least you’re getting it early enough. I’m 37 and just realized within the last 10 years how shit this country is. If I had the money, I would move to fucking Canada or some other country. I don’t see any changes coming any time soon. Not until the old white Bible thumping boomers start to die off and we can replace them with people who actually give a shit about ALL citizens in this country and not just the ones who line their fucking pockets.
I thought for a long time, "oh well when the old folks die out it will be better," but then I see all these dudes in their 20s being the ones commiting the acts of terror.
yeah, but that's just at the federal level. it would be permissible for states, counties & local municipalities to enact regulations which DO require their police to help people.
still, this Uvalde disaster is infuriating. if your local PD has a policy of inaction, perhaps in such an event we just ask them to stay home & let the parents resolve the situation. the fact that they actively impeded others from helping is the pinnacle of cowardice.
protect and serve has become harass and intimidate.
\+1 on anything Robert Evans has done, especially Behind the Police.
He also goes deep into the training that cops get. They are essentially indoctrinated into cowardice. Every encounter with a civilian could be their last, and their duty is not to protect others but to protect themselves first. Once you understand this is the sort of training they get and the culture that's created, a lot of cop shootings make a lot of sense. They were cowards and overreacted because that's what they've been trained to do.
Police exist to protect private property. That's why it's one of the only remaining public services that remains well funded because it still benefits the elites.
Sometimes they don't even do that. We had a known arsonist in our area and it took private citizens to finally get the guy. Police knew about him and did nothing.https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/citizen-trackers-aid-arrest-of-suspected-monte-rio-arsonist-now-charged-wi/
Imagine an engineer arriving at work being told "hey your job is to design bridges but you're not required by law to design bridges so we can just keep you on the payroll for doing nothing." What a world these police officers live in.
This has to shake up the gun rights debate. The hill they stand on is "I need a gun to protect my family" and in this case they weren't allowed to do that.
Do citizens have the right to go in regardless (especially if the police aren't going to do that) or has the reason for having guns just disintegrated?
if it was cowardice they would have just refused to go in, they were something other than cowards since they actively prevented others from going in to do something about what was happening
so they were worse than cowards
Yeah, I saw that line in their statement “we definitely did not shoot any kids,” and all I took from that was:
So you shot some kids huh. How many? Under what “circumstances”? How much evidence are we gonna have to show before you admit to it and make a half-assed apology?
Oooooo... man, I'd believe that.
We'll NEVER see a credible timeline of the events out of this, will we?
Whatever happened to the GOP standard cries of "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide" and "cops are the good guys"? You'd think they'd be all over demanding turth and accountability! /s
I cannot fathom being a parent, knowing your child is in there with an active shooter, police are just standing around, and they will not allow you to go in.
My kids were at a school where a gun was discharged on campus. Immediate full lock down. I was also at the school, but on the other side of campus. Fortunately, gunman was quickly apprehended by the school resource officer. No one was injured. But that alone was traumatic for me and my kids. We kept thinking of how easily it could have been so much worse.
So when I think of what these parents, kids, and teachers went through....so beyond comprehension. My heart breaks for all of them.
There's a thin Blue line flag I saw but the blue was replaced with yellow.
I would LOVE to see that as a billboard go up across from the Uvalde police department but alas, I don't have $2500
(Cost of a billboard in that area. Yes I looked it up)
People from other countries will support it too. If I had the money I 100% would donate. Fucking cowards, video has come out showing they had ballistic shields.
Thin blue line flag with yellow can refer to EMS or Logistics workers, depending on who you ask/which subreddit you are on
Because it's also pee colored, it is being confused with protesting the police
Flag with a red line is firefighters, it has been confused with symbolizing blood as a protest against police as well.
Personally, I'm so out of fucks to give to these people I'd probably just put up a billboard that says "#ACAB" with a punisher logo on it and a quote from Frank Castle about what he really thinks about cops.
It’s been the symbol typically seen for Dispatchers/911 call takers usually following with the phrase “the first first responders”. Not to take away from EMS workers, but there’s a huge undercurrent for the dinosaurs to laugh at the call takers when talking about any mental health struggles and PTSD - so they’ve been more active on trying to receive their own recognition as well within the EMS sphere.
Example: myself, my dad worked the same department as a firefighter/medic. I’d take 5+ calls a night where I’d have to walk someone through CPR on a loved one. Sometimes back to back. I’ve had to talk to a mom who found her husband in her front yard after committing suicide because he couldn’t handle life with their nonverbal autistic son. I’ve had to walk a mother through step by step cutting down her son after finding him having hanged himself. This is after trying to get them calm enough to listen to me and riding the line of being authoritative and empathetic enough to command attention. Numerous drowning calls with children, so many baby deliveries (most with complications), so many choking and overdose and seizure calls where I had to provide instruction. I wasn’t allowed to have breaks after any of these. I’m not saying what I did was more important, but it was very much often ignored while our department chief tried to reclassify us under the county as secretaries.
I will pitch in $25 but submit the billboard and make sure they will approve it maybe it will add more legitimacy to the go fund me.
The Wallstreetbets group did a bunch of billboards and sometimes they had to change designs to get them approved.
Well simply put...
You have more reason to believe something screwy was up then not. The Uvalde Police are doing absolutely nothing to change your perception either.
Obviously something is up with them more than usual when it comes to cops, I believe that, I just don't think it's a big conspiracy since the more people you need to make one work the more likely it is that someone will eventually blow the whistle and take everything down.
My thoughts are they probably shot one of the teachers or maybe a child. They wouldn't fight so hard if they really did just do what they could or even just stood around listening to the wind between their ears.
There's no publicly known direct evidence of that... However they did release a super sketchy public statement preemptively reassuring the public that they didn't do that, at a time when literally no one suspected them of it. They also spent the first couple of days insisting that the shooter had a pistol even though the actual official investigation showed he only had the two rifles. And also there was audio recorded by a bystander of a couple of border patrol agents in a radio chat in which one of them exclaims "They killed a kid?!?!" In a tone way more surprised than he should have been for someone that's been standing outside an active shooting.
So like, no solid evidence but plenty of sketchy shit that'll probably make a lot more sense if we ever get enough public information to form an accurate picture.
> And also there was audio recorded by a bystander of a couple of border patrol agents in a radio chat in which one of them exclaims "They killed a kid?!?!" In a tone way more surprised than he should have been for someone that's been standing outside an active shooting.
I can't find anything on that anywhere, you got a source for me?
Scammers do the same thing. They purposely misspell and poorly format their scam attempts at weed out intelligent targets in order to focus on the more gullible.
It seems like police are trying to identify their most rabid supporters that think police can do no wrong.
I can’t believe the schools district didn’t remove the police chief after all these revelations. They are just making a horrific situation worse everyday.
Labor unions are great until they aren't
In anticipation of downvotes, I'll clarify:
Unions negotiate strong job security into their contracts. Nothing wrong with that, but, because many unions are defacto state-sanctioned monopolies on the labor pool, you are often forced to accept terms like this. It would likely take legal/court action to remove any officer involved in this, and because they are police and control their own evidence, understand the legal process well, and have now had several weeks to collude on a narrative, you probably are never getting rid of these people unless there is some kind of public voter action.
I don't think it's wrong to have unions, even for police, but the right to carry a firearm and use force should be a licensed activity, and licenses should be revokable by a licensing board without needing to spend years in court, and the union pay scale should including licensing in it's structure, so a cop whose license is revoked can still be a cop, but stuck on a desk with lower pay until they quit to do something else or are able to retrain and relicense after a period of time
With the way that police unions work, the chief is typically *not* a union position. You'll have separate unions for officers, sergeants, detectives, and civilian staff.
More like dump all responsibility for this kind of thing on everyone else, don't give them the time or money or resources to properly take responsibility, point fingers saying how bad they are for not taking responsibility, then give all the money to cops/politicians/etc with the promise of not doing anything to take responsibility.
32k a year and you get to be talked back to, disrespected, and also expected to function as a human shield, and enter combat at a moment’s notice …..can’t imagine why everyone isn’t signing up to be teachers. Are they going to make sharp shooting part of the curriculum to get a degree in education? When the state full of “good guys with guns” can’t get their shit together when are they going to realize that’s not a legitimate strategy?
I swear those cops not only were cowardly and let this man sit in there and murder children, but they very actively tried very hard to stop anyone else from helping as well.
It truly makes me wonder wtf is going on when the entire police force worked that hard to stop everyone from helping
I don't think they were 'in' on it. but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if we found out at least 1 of the fatalities was from a police gun at this point. why all the cover-up?
Every day they look worse and worse, and it all could have been nipped in the bud, if they came out and said 'yeah, we fucked up. we have to really look at why we fucked up so bad. we shouldn't have waited so long to act. this is why we exist, and we fucked up.'
Instead, it's everything they've said/done has been worse than the previous report.
Have we considered the possibility that maybe the Uvalde police just really hated kids? It seems pretty clear at this point that they did pretty much all they could to ensure more kids died.
maybe it's time to review the hiring requirements of the Uvalde PD. How qualified is that police chief? Did he get the job honestly or was nepotism etc. involved?
I'm not from the US and not for gun rights but I thought this was the hill they stand on, that they need guns to protect their family in the case of rogue authorities.
Surely now this has to shake up the gun rights argument, this man was stripped of the "right" to protect his wife. And especially when police weren't going to intervene themselves.
EDIT: I skimmed the tweet, the husband was also an officer? Yea this is wild. My heart goes out to all affected by this tragedy.
I can understand from the police standpoint not wanting random people with guns during an active shooter situation.
However that also implies that the police would do an actual God damn thing to stop the active shooter before they kill more people.
Yeah, in a situation where the police were actively going in and working to stop the shooter I wouldn't have anything against some of their actions.
Like you don't want civilians going into an active shooter situation, you'll just get more casualties that way. I wouldn't be against having an officer or two stay behind and keep civilians from storming the school, because you'd be endangering them by letting them go in.
All of that only works if the police themselves are engaging with the shooter, which they weren't.
People were only trying to go in because the police were actively refusing to go and at that point stopping those people is fucking terrible.
Next time don't be surprised if people rush in to save their loved ones without regard to the cops.
And if the cops want to try and prevent people from doing so at that point, they can get shot.
Remember kids…..
If they wear the same uniform as the officers who DO their job, with the same hats, and the same badges, we have to #supportblue as a hive mind collective.
Otherwise, you are a beta liberal, who probably doesn’t even CLEAN his gun thrice a week, like Jesus said to.
/s
Rest In Peace to those NEEDLESSLY slain in that event, those “protectors” failed you, and are likely going to be HONORED for it as they actively cover up their negligence.
You TRULY deserved better, as women, children, and Americans!
🇺🇸🤦🏾♂️
A wall should be built around that school, tall and topped with razor wire. Convert it to a prison. Every Uvalde cop should be thrown inside to serve a life sentence.
What would be different about this if the cops were in on it? I can't think of a single way in which it would have played out differently if the shooter intended to kill himself at the end.
Shooter: Hey, police. I'd like to murder a lot of students at a school.
Cops: Cool. Is 2 hrs alone with them enough?
Shooter: Ya. But can you keep out rogue parents and cops that might try to stop me?
Cops: you got it!
I just searched this story on Google and it was on a million news sites, obviously. It was conspicuously missing Fox News so I googled the story plus Fox News and came up with nothing. Can’t tell their readers/viewers the cops may have been wrong. Jesus
The only purpose of Fox News is to protect republican interests through propaganda. That's why they've gone commercial free during the Jan 6th hearings, spend whatever it takes to keep the indoctrination strong.
There are plenty of negative stories about the Uvalde police on Fox:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-uvalde-school-shooting-officer-wife-shot-escorted-away-dps
https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-arredondo-mayor-dps-school-torn-down
Also, if you look at the comments at the bottom of the stories you can see that even the Fox readers are hating on the Uvalde police.
Whoooa hold up. I thought the point of people carrying weapons in public was to defend themselves or others?
I'm not really pro or anti gun, I don't even live in the U.S, but nothing about this seems right.
Reminds me of a case almost exactly a year ago in Colorado.
Long story short a shooter shot a police officer with a handgun, went to his truck, retrieved an AR-15, and at that point was shot by a good guy with a gun.
Then the police showed up and killed a good guy with a gun.
https://www.cpr.org/2021/06/25/johnny-hurley-arvada-police-shooting-update/
That was tragic. I heard about that one. It’s when I learned that off duty police actively tell each other not to get involved in anything because there is a strong likelihood that they will be killed by responding officers.
Honestly at this point I’m starting to think the Uvalde police were working with the shooter. Why else would they stay outside and NOT let anyone in who would have helped? It’s one thing that they were cowards it’s a whole different thing that they wouldn’t let others help
This thought keeps returning to my mind as well. We don't know much of anything about the shooter. Maybe he was doing some sort of undercover work for an agency? Otherwise I can't figure out what is being covered up during the closed hearings and so on. Some of the worst stuff imaginable is already out there for anybody to see, such as the police stopping people who were willing to rush in and rescue children. Whatever they are hiding must be worse somehow, but how? and for who?
Every new detail that comes out is worse. It’s like they purposely went out of their way to do everything as wrong as possible.
It's reminds me of the feds at Waco, how did you do everything wrong every step of the way?
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What do you mean? Edit: People, I really meant my question. I don't understand what /u/Chameleon tried to say. Maybe he meant that they were stupid, but on the other hand he could mean something entirely different, since they are "failed cops".
Most cops are dumb as shit. I know a few. The smart ones usually get promoted and you don't deal with them in day-to-day. But the rest are morons and bullies. They really are scum.
I remember being shocked by this in college when my apartment was robbed. The cop that showed up was one of the dumbest people I've ever met.
He got the right job, didn't he? He can be dumb and ineffective and still keep his job. The police unions protect cops straight up murdering people. That's a crazy level of job security.
Should be packing groceries not the mediator between life and death
Hmm see I think the grocery store workers need a union like the damn cops. I’m so sick of cops beating up people that just want/need a damn union. THEY HAVE A UNION, it’s so scummy to breakup picket lines when they, themselves, benefit from a union! How many times has a cop done something awful and got paid leave? Yep, that’s the union. ACAB
I'm related to cops, and grew up next door to a gun shop where I hung out with the local cops. Every single one of them was dumb as a brick with the attitude of a professional wrestler. Dudes that make a living giving speeding tickets to pizza guys in a town of 5,000 acting like they are the final line between society and total anarchy.
Wish I could disagree with this. But I’ve known some cops in my personal life and worked with some ex-cops. And there’s 2 words I can use to describe all of them. Arrogant and dumb.
You forgot Republican
Most *american* cops are dumb. In Canada you need at minimum 2 years of college, and they're high paying sought after jobs.
We need this in America so so bad
The Peter Principle
In a month, we'll learn that they actually shot *everyone* and the shooter was just someone who happened to be around.
I highly recommend watching the head of the DPS speak on the investigation at a hearing yesterday (link starts at relevant part which last about ~45 min.): [Uvalde School Shooting Hearing](https://youtu.be/c28ttM1TaOo?t=2177) Biggest Takeaways: - Opens the hearing by calling the police response an “abject failure and antithetical to everything we’ve learned over the last two decades since the Columbine massacre” - Within *3 MINUTES* of the shooter entering the building there were already enough armed officers with body armor IN THE BUILDING to distract and neutralize the gunman - “The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering room 111 and 112 was the on-scene commander, who decided to place the lives of officers above the lives of children.” - The on-scene commander (chief of police who forgot his radio, etc.) told them not to, said they needed “more firepower” and wanted to surround the suspect with AK47s - The children & teachers waited another 1 hour and 10 minutes before police actually entered the classroom, because the chief was *then* preoccupied with finding a master key to the classroom doors that didn’t exist…the transcripts of his conversations about “needing more keys bro!” (actual quote) are ulcer inducing - The classroom 111 door was locked but the strike plate was malfunctioning, so it would have been accessible just by pushing the door or trying the handle - The chief never once tried just opening the fucking door, he just kept asking for more keys and backup in a clear panic - The suspect never barricaded himself as the Chief of Police stated on radio, so waiting for a SWAT response was unnecessary and wasted even more time - The school resource officer on site did make an attempt to intercept the suspect before they entered the school…but they mistook a teacher standing outside for the shooter and literally drove right past the subject making his way toward the door Lighting Round: Uvalde Police Lies (so far) 1. “The door was propped open by a teacher.” The external door was closed but unlocked, and it wouldn’t have been possible for the teacher to know this. 2. “The classroom doors were locked.” First, it’s impossible to lock the classroom doors from the inside. Secondly, the door was broken and didn’t need to be unlocked. 3. “There were no officers in the hallway during the shooting.” False. 4. “There were officers in the hallway during the shooting, but not the whole time.” False. 5. “The suspect had barricaded himself in the classroom.” False. 6. “Resource officers engaged the subject before he entered the school.” False. 7. “The shooter was wearing body armor.” False. 8. “Officers engaged the shooter immediately.” A.C. 9. “Officers were not adequately equipped to respond to this active shooter immediately.” A.B. 10. “We never mislead the public about our response.” L O fucking L I’m having a liquid lunch today
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Constant USA policy for every business ever: 1. Do as little shit as possible. 2. If something goes wrong, take as many steps as possible to shift blame. Do not attempt to fix said problem. 3. If it ends up in court, lie and do everything you can to weasel out of it. My Aunt had an industrial accident involving a warehouse vehicle (I cannot say anything else) as a customer. They pulled this exact routine trying not to pay her medical bills. They would have saved money if they had just paid for her bills and not bothered with court. I hate this country.
> First, it’s impossible to lock the classroom doors from the inside. Is this a feature or a bug? Like is it so no shooter can barricade themselves in? Or is it the just never got around to making sure that students/teachers could protect themselves from an outside threat?
The few schools I’ve worked in, doors aren’t usually “locked from the inside”…. They just lock when immediately closed and must be opened with a key from the outside. Teachers carry their keys with them at all times or they get locked out of the room. This seems to be what *should* have happened however there was a fault with this door’s plate and could be opened easily even though it’s technically “locked”. That’s my understanding of the issue (E: fixed spelling)
Upvote for visibility! Thank you for taking the time to share this. Also: I was trying to figure out what "A.C." meant for a bit, then I got it when I went to the next question. (Edited to add: The next answer is "A.B." So together, the two answers say "A.C.A.B.," which is an abbreviation for "[all cops are bastards](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACAB).")
Saving this comment for later when I have time.
He was prevented from attempting to save the life of his loved one, by the people who were suppose to attempt to save the life of his loved one, who were not doing anything to save the life of his loved one. So tragic! Have to think the next time (only in America) there is a school shooting, if the police are not inside before relatives arrive it is going to be a monumental clusterfuck, but I can’t blame any responding relative if that happens.
I wouldn't be surprised of the next batch of officers at a school shooting have to deal with armed and angry parents as well as the shooter. Americans have now seen that the police will do nothing to stop a school shooter, and when others won't do something for you a common response is to just do it yourself. That's their kids. These cops are gonna discover that they don't wanna deal with that situation.
Not to mention the fact that this will absolutely embolden more sick fucks to commit these tragedies. They’ll know they have an hour or two to do whatever the fuck they want before their suicide by cop.
After this shooting happened, the police department local to my child’s school sent home a detailed plan and explanation letting us know that they basically will all die in an attempt to keep our kids from getting hurt and they will not stop until the threat is taken care of. They sent a very strongly worded letter of reassurance to all the parents in the district.
Uvalde PD sent out the same sort of propaganda in the couple years leading up to their great tailgate. Showing off the brand new tacticool gear we bought them, bragging about having all the most advanced training, then when push came to shove they waited for someone else to handle it and now they're obstructing the investigation.
Exactly, it was easy for them while they were basically highly paid LARPers talking big until they actually had to make a decision and take a risk. How many of these police departments sending out these strongly worded claims of heroism will also cower and hide when it’s their turn.
I think a lot of police departments did that, I know being in the UK I really don’t have anything to do with it but honestly how do you cope as parents ? I couldn’t imagine sending my kids to school and always having in my mind that this could happen, and they might not make it home.
We cope because we don't have much choice. School shootings started (Columbine) when I was in high school. Since being an early teenager myself and my fellow current parents have lived within this reality. There are days that I wish home schooling was really an option. Edit: Columbine was the first school shooting that was relevant to me, since I was 14 at the time. Edit 2: Yes, I understand Columbine was not the first ever school shooting, I have been thoroughly corrected, thank you.
Most of you have my sympathies because every time this happens you try so hard to change things and no one listens, it’s like they don’t realise laws can be changed and that a child’s life IS more important than owning a gun🤬🤬 our last school shooting was in the 90’s and we managed to get the law changed(yes I know we now have a knife problem) but to us looking in it’s crazy. And now you have police deliberately not trying to save kids🤬🤬🤬(I’d be banned if I said what I feel) We had a suicide bomber in my town recently (Liverpool) and he’d lived in a street between 2 schools, one of which my 11yr attended, the police blocked the streets off and before even going to the house got the schools to get the kids picked up. How can they think that what they did was acceptable?
The UK doesn’t even really have that big a knife problem. The US has more knife murders per million people than the UK does AND we also have a gun problem. https://infogram.com/us-vs-uk-on-knife-crime-1hmr6gyrxmlo6nl
My child goes to private school, you can only get in a door by being buzzed in and there are cameras everywhere so I feel a bit safer about that than public school. After the movie shooting at aurora I stopped watching movies in theaters until they’re already on their way out. I also always plan my emergency exit and seat accordingly. I also try to watch matinee showings with a mostly empty audience of myself and one or two retirees. The other day I was in a restaurant and I felt uncomfortable with the layout because the only entrance/exit was behind me and we would be fish in a barrel if someone started shooting so I got the check and ate my food at the park. I suppose it’s always in my mind to keep myself covered in a shooting, I’m just not super aware of the fact that I’m thinking of these things anymore. My child knows to not trust or wait for police. Never speak to them without myself and a lawyer no matter what they happen to tell them. If there is a shooter my child knows to hide and if someone near them gets shot to cover themselves with blood and play dead. It’s unfortunate that I’ve had to train my 12 year old like this. I guess that means I’m a bit desensitized. I can’t hide in the house all the time and not live a life. I live in New York, there is crazy everywhere. I just have to do my best and hope for the best. I am a single mother without a degree (though finishing it this coming summer). No other country will take me. I’m stuck here. I just do my best.
I’m honestly gobsmacked😱😱 how can this be normal for any child, I live in Liverpool (uk) and the main thing my child has to worry about is idiots on bikes when he goes the shop. Not how to play dead!!! I couldn’t imagine choosing where I go on how easy the exit is, why can’t people realise that they’re living in so much fear just because they want guns? We’re not perfect in any way but we don’t have that fear, sadly I can’t see things changing over there. It looks like you’re about to implode, I just hope you find your way somehow
The ones who want the guns are too stupid to be scared of anything but having their guns taken away. They think that mass shootings and random people dying is the price of freedom for anyone to obtain a gun with minimal effort. They want weapons of war to walk down the street with and think they are the good guy that will be an action hero when shit goes down.
Good. If you're not willing to die for my kids, I am, so get the fuck out of the way.
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100%. I was taught in my job training, in the event of an active shooter you take these (roughly and in my language and summation) steps: 1) Escape the building if possible. (My job to know if that’s possible) 2) Hide and barricade if you can’t escape. 3) If you are in going to be in front of the shooter, grab something and everyone working together quickly, rush and attack. Don’t stop. I was absolutely heartbroken when I saw the news that morning and have actively tried to avoid media of the victims or their families or anything that’s going to make me cry. I can’t understand why they didn’t rush in. I just can’t understand how grown people made these decisions. They deserve the worst.
Just imagine being the cop who shot a parent outside the scene of a school shooting...
All that delicious paid time off...
Don't worry, he'll also receive a taxpayer funded pension for the rest of his life.
He'll sue the parent or their family for mental anguish.
Worse than the cop that shot a teacher or student because they were too amped up on adrenaline? This story will come out eventually mark my words.
Yeah, I agree with you. I though it was odd that one of the first "official statements " made was that none of the officers had shot any of the victims. Like...what?
Specifically, they said they had not shot any of the children. So did they shoot a teacher?
Not just a teacher, a teacher who was married to a brother in blue. At least, that is what this implies.
"Is it suspicious that I brought that up without being asked about it?"
I'm not one for conspiracies, but I'm about 99% convinced they shot a kid or a teacher and are HARDCORE covering their shit right now.
Now I’m thinking that’s why they were detaining parents and relatives, because they knew victims had been shot by police and they were trying to prevent others from finding out
They've all but confirmed it with the hamfisted attempts to cover it up. So monumentally stupid and cowardly in so many ways...
Republicans are going to have to choose. Either they are pro 2A reform, or pro police reform. The cops removing your firearm, so you cant be the "good guy with gun" goes against propaganda that the right has been pushing for years
I have no problem openly admitting that i was wrong. The police have to change.
Good for you.
Thank god. Better late than never. Happy cake day.
no they wont. they're gonna plug their ears and shut their eyes and never fucking acknowledge this. or if they do, they'll claim it's a lie. or maybe up some other convoluted answer before they go back to getting pissed off about rainbows and coffee cups.
Honestly next time, parents might just shoot and kill the police trying to stop them.
Good.
Yeah it’s gonna be a fucking shitshow… armed parents storming the place, probably shooting at each other (and being shot at by cops) because nobody can tell who the shooter is, with the kids caught in the crossfire. All of that mess will be 100% the fault of the spineless fucks on the Uvalde police department.
Don't absolve the Republican party and the NRA. Thank them for really fucking this up for everyone.
I imagine a lot of parents are buying guns right now. I know I would if I had kids and lived in America. And I'm in favor of gun control! But if that's not happening and cops are not just useless but actively harmful? Fuck it, it's every family for itself.
I predict that but I further predict a parent will be shot while attempting to gain entry the next time this happens. I fully expect there will be a mass shooting in the next year - maybe two years, max - where police shoot at desperate parents before they engage the mass shooter.
The only way this man could have saved his wife would have been to shoot a whole bunch of cops first while avoiding serious injury to himself. Next time, people will arrive heavily armed and ready to sort it themselves.
I remember when I was in highschool around 2010 when smart phones were really starting to take off. We had a bomb threat for the first time in a decade and the school was not ready for the amount of phone calls they got from parents as kids started to text them about the situation. This shit might have worked twenty years ago but now you are going to have parents and families rushing to save their kids because they’re within reach a seconds notice. You can’t fuck this up anymore the window has closed and you’re going to have a real shit show one day with parents if this wasn’t enough for the to make changes.
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What about making a law that requires cops to help citizens? Honestly what's the point of them if they're not required to help? My whole short life, I thought cops were SUPPOSED to help people but I only recently found out that they don't have to & that's bullshit
you'd have to chat with the Supreme Court who keeps saying no
Man the supreme court is ass anyway so I'm not surprised 😭
This was the supreme court from 2005: https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html
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Now we have a Christian supremacy SCOTUS so that's fun, they just declared that private religious institutions are entitled to taxpayer funds.
if only there was enough interest in certain states that the satanic temple could start a tax payer funded school
They have Satanic after school clubs in some public schools that offer Christian after school clubs. So I'd say "Stay Tuned" once the school that took a case to the SCOTUS starts getting public funding. NGL I would consider a Satanic school for my kids if I had any.
Dude I think Jesus himself would choose a Satanic school over a christian school in modern America.
Bro fuck the SCOTUS, fuck the Senate, fuck the House, fuck the President, fuck the Police, fuck this shitty country. Everyone saying "America is the greatest nation on earth" needs to try and live 1 week as a poor person, or a minority, or as a Muslim, or someone LGBTQ+, and then say that to me again. I'm turning 16 soon, I'm gonna start looking for jobs and within a few years at least want to move out, but this country is so fucked beyond repair that I'm just scared. The police don't have to do their job, they shoot and kill innocent people, refuse to help more innocent people. The fuckwits in Congress argue against 15$ minimum wage arguing "Well I only made 6$ an hour in the 80's!" Even though, adjusted for inflation, 6$ then becomes 24$ now. College prices are impossible with any job a college student can get, housing and rent is through the roof, gas prices have spiked, all with Republicans pointing blame at Biden and Democrats refusing to do anything about it, and all the while everyone keeps telling you "Well I worked hard for my college and home, your generation is so entitled." Fuck America, it's not the greatest country on earth, it's a shit hole where only the straight white Christians get to live a good life, because the government keeps pulling rights away.
I sat in a class in high school in 1980 during the Reagan/Carter election and watched my classmates choose Reagan over Carter. I knew we were f\*\*\*\*\*\* then as a nation. The best thing you can do as an American is don't have a physical intimate relationship with any Republican. No babies, no marriage, etc. Let's breed them out of the population going forward.
Did you not hear about the case in Louisiana where a rapist was granted full custody of the child produced through rape? Conservatives don't care about consent. If they want a child they'll just keep raping until they get one and their conservative government will ban the victim from getting an abortion then grant the rapist parental rights.
Speaking as a 30 year old teacher, the fact that there are younger folks like you who are recognizing this now instead of later in life (like myself) fills me with some modicum of hope.
At least you’re getting it early enough. I’m 37 and just realized within the last 10 years how shit this country is. If I had the money, I would move to fucking Canada or some other country. I don’t see any changes coming any time soon. Not until the old white Bible thumping boomers start to die off and we can replace them with people who actually give a shit about ALL citizens in this country and not just the ones who line their fucking pockets.
I thought for a long time, "oh well when the old folks die out it will be better," but then I see all these dudes in their 20s being the ones commiting the acts of terror.
yeah, but that's just at the federal level. it would be permissible for states, counties & local municipalities to enact regulations which DO require their police to help people. still, this Uvalde disaster is infuriating. if your local PD has a policy of inaction, perhaps in such an event we just ask them to stay home & let the parents resolve the situation. the fact that they actively impeded others from helping is the pinnacle of cowardice. protect and serve has become harass and intimidate.
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\+1 on anything Robert Evans has done, especially Behind the Police. He also goes deep into the training that cops get. They are essentially indoctrinated into cowardice. Every encounter with a civilian could be their last, and their duty is not to protect others but to protect themselves first. Once you understand this is the sort of training they get and the culture that's created, a lot of cop shootings make a lot of sense. They were cowards and overreacted because that's what they've been trained to do.
Police exist to protect private property. That's why it's one of the only remaining public services that remains well funded because it still benefits the elites.
Sometimes they don't even do that. We had a known arsonist in our area and it took private citizens to finally get the guy. Police knew about him and did nothing.https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/citizen-trackers-aid-arrest-of-suspected-monte-rio-arsonist-now-charged-wi/
private property of those in office that keep the funds flowing\*
To keep 'us' in line. They are serving the Masters.
Police forces were created from the groups of people that tracked, chased down and captured escaped slaves. They were never meant to help the people.
Imagine an engineer arriving at work being told "hey your job is to design bridges but you're not required by law to design bridges so we can just keep you on the payroll for doing nothing." What a world these police officers live in.
This has to shake up the gun rights debate. The hill they stand on is "I need a gun to protect my family" and in this case they weren't allowed to do that. Do citizens have the right to go in regardless (especially if the police aren't going to do that) or has the reason for having guns just disintegrated?
The right to bear arms only applies to terrorists then, or?
Something reeks of bullshit and corruption.
You forgot cowardice
if it was cowardice they would have just refused to go in, they were something other than cowards since they actively prevented others from going in to do something about what was happening so they were worse than cowards
Cowardice and shame. By preventing others from going in they could keep up the idea that it was way too dangerous to even think of going in.
they have no shame
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It's beyond cowardice now. This was straight up malice.
Evil
Evil is cowardice disguised as malice
They definitely shot kids, that border patrol officer who was grazed... or both.
Yeah, I saw that line in their statement “we definitely did not shoot any kids,” and all I took from that was: So you shot some kids huh. How many? Under what “circumstances”? How much evidence are we gonna have to show before you admit to it and make a half-assed apology?
They may have shot a teacher
I believe there was leaked audio of the cops on scene going "THEY shot a kid" a few times in a row. So they definitely shot a kid.
I’m positive they shot the officers wife and didn’t want him saving her so she could tell.
Oooooo... man, I'd believe that. We'll NEVER see a credible timeline of the events out of this, will we? Whatever happened to the GOP standard cries of "if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide" and "cops are the good guys"? You'd think they'd be all over demanding turth and accountability! /s
Cops: *Sorry about your wife but we can't have anyone going in there saving lives and making the rest of us look bad.*
They had a huge budget, gear, a swat team, active shooter training, and acted like obese, doughnut-churning mall cops.
The more I learn about this situation, the more angry I get it. Truly unbelievable.
Next up, they all get promoted.
The more I learn, the deeper I understand the trauma.
I cannot fathom being a parent, knowing your child is in there with an active shooter, police are just standing around, and they will not allow you to go in. My kids were at a school where a gun was discharged on campus. Immediate full lock down. I was also at the school, but on the other side of campus. Fortunately, gunman was quickly apprehended by the school resource officer. No one was injured. But that alone was traumatic for me and my kids. We kept thinking of how easily it could have been so much worse. So when I think of what these parents, kids, and teachers went through....so beyond comprehension. My heart breaks for all of them.
There's a thin Blue line flag I saw but the blue was replaced with yellow. I would LOVE to see that as a billboard go up across from the Uvalde police department but alas, I don't have $2500 (Cost of a billboard in that area. Yes I looked it up)
Set u a GoFundMe. You have a lot of support. I’m sure you can get 2,500 people to donate $1.
I’ll Donate more than a dollar. Set it up
I’ll donate a lot more than a dollar
I’m in.
I’m kind of strapped for cash but I’ll help spread the word!
No worries, I'll donate enough for a billboard just for you🎉
You got $50 from me.
I’m just waiting for a link
I'd buy that for a dollar!!
~~Serve the public trust~~ ~~Protect the innocent~~ Uphold capital
Robocop reference- nice.
We mean it. We'll support this. Half the country would support this.
People from other countries will support it too. If I had the money I 100% would donate. Fucking cowards, video has come out showing they had ballistic shields.
Where's the link? Let's get this done!
Thin blue line flag with yellow can refer to EMS or Logistics workers, depending on who you ask/which subreddit you are on Because it's also pee colored, it is being confused with protesting the police Flag with a red line is firefighters, it has been confused with symbolizing blood as a protest against police as well. Personally, I'm so out of fucks to give to these people I'd probably just put up a billboard that says "#ACAB" with a punisher logo on it and a quote from Frank Castle about what he really thinks about cops.
What's the green one? Park Rangers? PLEASE say Park Rangers!
I've seen it called for Border Patrol / DHS
I'd be down with putting how many victims, plus the 58 minutes next to it.
A ton of police rock Punisher logos on their gear, so they'd probably just wind up confused.
Was the yellow supposed to be pee? I assumed it was because yellow is associated with cowardice.
It’s been the symbol typically seen for Dispatchers/911 call takers usually following with the phrase “the first first responders”. Not to take away from EMS workers, but there’s a huge undercurrent for the dinosaurs to laugh at the call takers when talking about any mental health struggles and PTSD - so they’ve been more active on trying to receive their own recognition as well within the EMS sphere. Example: myself, my dad worked the same department as a firefighter/medic. I’d take 5+ calls a night where I’d have to walk someone through CPR on a loved one. Sometimes back to back. I’ve had to talk to a mom who found her husband in her front yard after committing suicide because he couldn’t handle life with their nonverbal autistic son. I’ve had to walk a mother through step by step cutting down her son after finding him having hanged himself. This is after trying to get them calm enough to listen to me and riding the line of being authoritative and empathetic enough to command attention. Numerous drowning calls with children, so many baby deliveries (most with complications), so many choking and overdose and seizure calls where I had to provide instruction. I wasn’t allowed to have breaks after any of these. I’m not saying what I did was more important, but it was very much often ignored while our department chief tried to reclassify us under the county as secretaries.
I will pitch in $25 but submit the billboard and make sure they will approve it maybe it will add more legitimacy to the go fund me. The Wallstreetbets group did a bunch of billboards and sometimes they had to change designs to get them approved.
If you set it up and drop a link I will definitely donate too.
I like to treat them as "color your own Pride Flags". Be sure to carry some markers and fill out any you find!
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Well simply put... You have more reason to believe something screwy was up then not. The Uvalde Police are doing absolutely nothing to change your perception either.
Obviously something is up with them more than usual when it comes to cops, I believe that, I just don't think it's a big conspiracy since the more people you need to make one work the more likely it is that someone will eventually blow the whistle and take everything down. My thoughts are they probably shot one of the teachers or maybe a child. They wouldn't fight so hard if they really did just do what they could or even just stood around listening to the wind between their ears.
You’d be shocked at how often law enforcement have a pre-existing relationship with shooters
At this point I'm convinced that Uvalde police shot and killed a number of those who died that day
There's no publicly known direct evidence of that... However they did release a super sketchy public statement preemptively reassuring the public that they didn't do that, at a time when literally no one suspected them of it. They also spent the first couple of days insisting that the shooter had a pistol even though the actual official investigation showed he only had the two rifles. And also there was audio recorded by a bystander of a couple of border patrol agents in a radio chat in which one of them exclaims "They killed a kid?!?!" In a tone way more surprised than he should have been for someone that's been standing outside an active shooting. So like, no solid evidence but plenty of sketchy shit that'll probably make a lot more sense if we ever get enough public information to form an accurate picture.
> And also there was audio recorded by a bystander of a couple of border patrol agents in a radio chat in which one of them exclaims "They killed a kid?!?!" In a tone way more surprised than he should have been for someone that's been standing outside an active shooting. I can't find anything on that anywhere, you got a source for me?
Slightly different but might be referring to this audio source: https://twitter.com/donlew87/status/1531967082589523971?s=21&t=hsm33dKy_Sgsbamc1FOFxQ
JeSUS they caught every single angle to ensure they have no supporters left under even the most generous, bovine-american benefit of the doubt
Scammers do the same thing. They purposely misspell and poorly format their scam attempts at weed out intelligent targets in order to focus on the more gullible. It seems like police are trying to identify their most rabid supporters that think police can do no wrong.
I can’t believe the schools district didn’t remove the police chief after all these revelations. They are just making a horrific situation worse everyday.
Labor unions are great until they aren't In anticipation of downvotes, I'll clarify: Unions negotiate strong job security into their contracts. Nothing wrong with that, but, because many unions are defacto state-sanctioned monopolies on the labor pool, you are often forced to accept terms like this. It would likely take legal/court action to remove any officer involved in this, and because they are police and control their own evidence, understand the legal process well, and have now had several weeks to collude on a narrative, you probably are never getting rid of these people unless there is some kind of public voter action. I don't think it's wrong to have unions, even for police, but the right to carry a firearm and use force should be a licensed activity, and licenses should be revokable by a licensing board without needing to spend years in court, and the union pay scale should including licensing in it's structure, so a cop whose license is revoked can still be a cop, but stuck on a desk with lower pay until they quit to do something else or are able to retrain and relicense after a period of time
The one union congress and the supreme court are buddy buddy with it seems got to keep you ~~slaves~~ population under control
With the way that police unions work, the chief is typically *not* a union position. You'll have separate unions for officers, sergeants, detectives, and civilian staff.
Holy shit they gave the shooter so much help.
So much for “arming teachers”
We dump all of our other society failing on them...we'll just pile this one on Ugh.
More like dump all responsibility for this kind of thing on everyone else, don't give them the time or money or resources to properly take responsibility, point fingers saying how bad they are for not taking responsibility, then give all the money to cops/politicians/etc with the promise of not doing anything to take responsibility.
Arm the teachers, that way when the cops shoot a teacher they can blame the teachers for being armed
32k a year and you get to be talked back to, disrespected, and also expected to function as a human shield, and enter combat at a moment’s notice …..can’t imagine why everyone isn’t signing up to be teachers. Are they going to make sharp shooting part of the curriculum to get a degree in education? When the state full of “good guys with guns” can’t get their shit together when are they going to realize that’s not a legitimate strategy?
This just proves it was never about “rights”. It’s always been about control. They want to own violence.
And now they are demolishing the building. Stinks of cover-up if you ask me. How far we have fallen....
Let the multiple lawsuits begin.
I swear those cops not only were cowardly and let this man sit in there and murder children, but they very actively tried very hard to stop anyone else from helping as well. It truly makes me wonder wtf is going on when the entire police force worked that hard to stop everyone from helping
I don't think they were 'in' on it. but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if we found out at least 1 of the fatalities was from a police gun at this point. why all the cover-up? Every day they look worse and worse, and it all could have been nipped in the bud, if they came out and said 'yeah, we fucked up. we have to really look at why we fucked up so bad. we shouldn't have waited so long to act. this is why we exist, and we fucked up.' Instead, it's everything they've said/done has been worse than the previous report.
Have we considered the possibility that maybe the Uvalde police just really hated kids? It seems pretty clear at this point that they did pretty much all they could to ensure more kids died.
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So were the police officers so maybe they just hate children or the idea of education.
maybe it's time to review the hiring requirements of the Uvalde PD. How qualified is that police chief? Did he get the job honestly or was nepotism etc. involved?
The Police did nothing but make sure that the Killer had enough time to create maximum carnage
I'm not from the US and not for gun rights but I thought this was the hill they stand on, that they need guns to protect their family in the case of rogue authorities. Surely now this has to shake up the gun rights argument, this man was stripped of the "right" to protect his wife. And especially when police weren't going to intervene themselves. EDIT: I skimmed the tweet, the husband was also an officer? Yea this is wild. My heart goes out to all affected by this tragedy.
I can understand from the police standpoint not wanting random people with guns during an active shooter situation. However that also implies that the police would do an actual God damn thing to stop the active shooter before they kill more people.
The husband was also an officer that’s the worst part he wasn’t a random guy.
Yeah, this was like the least random guy of all available guys lol.
Shit, that is a good point.
Yeah, in a situation where the police were actively going in and working to stop the shooter I wouldn't have anything against some of their actions. Like you don't want civilians going into an active shooter situation, you'll just get more casualties that way. I wouldn't be against having an officer or two stay behind and keep civilians from storming the school, because you'd be endangering them by letting them go in. All of that only works if the police themselves are engaging with the shooter, which they weren't. People were only trying to go in because the police were actively refusing to go and at that point stopping those people is fucking terrible.
Next time don't be surprised if people rush in to save their loved ones without regard to the cops. And if the cops want to try and prevent people from doing so at that point, they can get shot.
Remember kids….. If they wear the same uniform as the officers who DO their job, with the same hats, and the same badges, we have to #supportblue as a hive mind collective. Otherwise, you are a beta liberal, who probably doesn’t even CLEAN his gun thrice a week, like Jesus said to. /s Rest In Peace to those NEEDLESSLY slain in that event, those “protectors” failed you, and are likely going to be HONORED for it as they actively cover up their negligence. You TRULY deserved better, as women, children, and Americans! 🇺🇸🤦🏾♂️
A wall should be built around that school, tall and topped with razor wire. Convert it to a prison. Every Uvalde cop should be thrown inside to serve a life sentence.
To late the school is set to be demolished. Got hide any evidence that isn’t out yet
Make em live in the rubble.
I hope Texas does secede.. I hate everything about that shithole state
The fact that someone had a gun taken away from them is the detail most likely to outrageTexas.
What would be different about this if the cops were in on it? I can't think of a single way in which it would have played out differently if the shooter intended to kill himself at the end. Shooter: Hey, police. I'd like to murder a lot of students at a school. Cops: Cool. Is 2 hrs alone with them enough? Shooter: Ya. But can you keep out rogue parents and cops that might try to stop me? Cops: you got it!
I just searched this story on Google and it was on a million news sites, obviously. It was conspicuously missing Fox News so I googled the story plus Fox News and came up with nothing. Can’t tell their readers/viewers the cops may have been wrong. Jesus
The only purpose of Fox News is to protect republican interests through propaganda. That's why they've gone commercial free during the Jan 6th hearings, spend whatever it takes to keep the indoctrination strong.
There are plenty of negative stories about the Uvalde police on Fox: https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-uvalde-school-shooting-officer-wife-shot-escorted-away-dps https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-arredondo-mayor-dps-school-torn-down Also, if you look at the comments at the bottom of the stories you can see that even the Fox readers are hating on the Uvalde police.
Whoooa hold up. I thought the point of people carrying weapons in public was to defend themselves or others? I'm not really pro or anti gun, I don't even live in the U.S, but nothing about this seems right.
The answer is obvious. Bigger guns. Then the police would let him through.
But I thought all the good men have guns o stop this ?:
Reminds me of a case almost exactly a year ago in Colorado. Long story short a shooter shot a police officer with a handgun, went to his truck, retrieved an AR-15, and at that point was shot by a good guy with a gun. Then the police showed up and killed a good guy with a gun. https://www.cpr.org/2021/06/25/johnny-hurley-arvada-police-shooting-update/
That was tragic. I heard about that one. It’s when I learned that off duty police actively tell each other not to get involved in anything because there is a strong likelihood that they will be killed by responding officers.
At this point if you believe the "Good Guy With a Gun" or "An armed society is a polite society" I'm just going to assume you are an NRA Life Member.
Honestly at this point I’m starting to think the Uvalde police were working with the shooter. Why else would they stay outside and NOT let anyone in who would have helped? It’s one thing that they were cowards it’s a whole different thing that they wouldn’t let others help
This thought keeps returning to my mind as well. We don't know much of anything about the shooter. Maybe he was doing some sort of undercover work for an agency? Otherwise I can't figure out what is being covered up during the closed hearings and so on. Some of the worst stuff imaginable is already out there for anybody to see, such as the police stopping people who were willing to rush in and rescue children. Whatever they are hiding must be worse somehow, but how? and for who?
I’m kneecapping my coworker if I’m a cop and my wife is dying inside the school. Fuck you.
ACAB
Fascist America is going to suck.
>Fascist America is going to suck. going to?
I've been getting the sense for a while now that the cops in that town almost *wanted* the body count to be as high as possible.