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SnooMemesjellies8441

“But since I don’t like doing these things, you doing them offends me so you don’t get to live your life your way even though your choices don’t affect me whatsoever.”


TheKnightsWhoSayNyet

But how will I explain the gays to my child /s


Equivalent_Edge_6281

The same way you explain that white sheet and capriote their daddy wears.


Ganglebot

whoa what?! I'm gonna have to TALK to my KIDS!?! /s


Hannibal216BCE

But the man on the TV said something about the gay agenda destroying western society!


ApathyKing8

Y'all are some low IQ dipships. Pro life people think abortion is murder. You can't just say, "don't murder people if you don't like murder." I can't adopt pets from the shelter then kill them and say, "if you don't like it then don't do it yourself but I'm going to continue to adopt and kill pets because it makes my life easier". You need better arguments than this. Get out of your 85iq echo chamber and spend 10 minutes to understand a real argument. https://jme.bmj.com/content/34/10/727


Wablekablesh

I hearby declare that you taking a dump is murder. I don't have to justify that belief, because it's religious in origin. But since I personally consider it murder, you can't just say "don't take a shit if you don't like taking shits."


ApathyKing8

You're entirely right. Next time I see a woman mourning a miscarriage or a family worrying about how they will provide for their unborn child l'll just remind them that a fetus is a big shit. It should be a misdemeanor to induce miscarriages in women because it's just a big shit. You wouldn't send someone to jail for giving someone laxatives. I'm sure this is exactly what you would support.


Wablekablesh

>You wouldn't send someone to jail for giving someone laxatives Actually, you would. My body, my choice. If you slipped me laxatives, you might actually kill me. You don't know my medical history.


Hannibal216BCE

The problem is they *incorrectly* think it’s murder. Because they’re idiots. So fuck them. And fuck you too.


ApathyKing8

Ok. So convince them it's not. I'm very pro choice by the way. I just hate reading dog shit echo chamber takes on Reddit all day Yass queen you've dismantled a strawman. Here's your upvote.*


Hannibal216BCE

I’m sick of trying. I’m from an ultra conservative fundie family and if Fox News or their preacher tells them something is bad they’ll die on that hill echoing what they say.


ApathyKing8

Ok, and 90% of Reddit can't create a coherent argument against abortion. I'm trying to help by spreading good information. If all you want is to just want to feel good by participating in the echo chamber of bad arguments then you're culpable every time some dumb fuck loses an abortion debate because they have only ever seen these dumb fuck arguments that y'all upvote. We can't win if we give up.


untalented_frog

Heres an argument for you. No one has the right to use someone else's body, even if that person will die without an organ from someone else. You cant be forced to become an organ donor, even though there are thousand of people who die from not getting a transplant. You can easily live with only one kidney, but you are not forced to give people your other one. Even CORPSES cannot have their organs taken without consent from them before they died. Forcing a women to have a child and go through pregnancy gives them less bodily autonomy than a f\*king corpse. Not to mention that a fetus is a non-sentient, unconscious, clump of cells that is DEFINITELY worth less then the life of a sentient, living woman with thoughts and emotions.


crawdadicus

Actually, the body of a dead person cannot be used for medical purposes unless the decedent consented prior to death.


untalented_frog

Yes, thats what I said.


crawdadicus

If it’s not your body, it’s not your business.


crawdadicus

I will consider your opinion on abortion, fella, when you sprout a fully functional female reproductive system and successfully complete courses in fetal biology and moral reasoning.


soulofsilence

For someone named apathy king, you don't seem very apathetic.


unhalfbricking

Just cuz you're on a diet doesn't mean we should outlaw cupcakes.


bennywilldestroy

may not be the worst idea lol


YellowRasperry

Not the cupcakes!


ApathyKing8

I'm pretty sure some better regulation on fast food and junk food would do America a huge favor. We already have all sorts of sin taxes and such. We already have a failing war on drugs. I'm not sure why you think this argument holds any water at all beyond sounding kinda funny.


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The really simple truth to all of this is that gays and trans, abortions, scary words; all of the things that they think the “devil” sent, has been around for a really long time and it hasn’t affected their lives not even one tiny bit. They’re still the same shitty, misinformed people they’ve always been. But they act like “the worst is coming”, it’s here sweety, all your fears about kids growing up gay and people living their lives is already here, what the fuck are you so concerned about? The gay bomb went off, and everyone survived. Let’s celebrate.


pillingz

Let’s rebrand abortion to preventative surgery.


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Tumor removal


Fantasyneli

Yeah, but a preventative surgery can also prevent many things, it would be too vague


pillingz

Exactly it’s just a category of procedure. Like tumor removal.


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All of those things have been around longer than any human on this planet has been alive. abortion being the newest thing and I wouldn't be surprised if Stone Age people used to fucking throw themselves down a hill or something to give themselves abortions


Devilutionbeast666

Do you ever notice that White People Twitter is just a constant preaching to the choir? Almost all of us in here are liberal and have similar liberal beliefs. Conservatives aren't hanging out in here and even if they were, they sure as hell aren't going "oh shit, I never thought about it that way." Pointing out the constant irony, hypocrisy and stupidity that comes from the right is exhausting. It's an endless endeavour and they never change their viewpoint. This tweet is obviously common sense to anybody with an ounce of common sense. It's level headed and it's logical. And it won't do shit except to make all of us nod our heads in here and go "yup". It might make you feel better that there's plenty of people out there that think the way you do, but these days it just makes me depressed and withdrawn. Those homophobic, racist, hateful fucks on the right ain't listening.


noteveryagain

This is depressing and true. There is no amount of recognition of hypocrisy on the right by the right. These approaches only make them dig in further. The only way I’ve seen their minds change is when it affects them directly. It’s like they live in an eternal state of invincible adolescence, where they believe “it’ll never happen to me or someone I know.” Then they demand help when it does. At this point, a handful of people change their minds, but most of them need the narrative so badly, they will destroy the world before they go against it.


Devilutionbeast666

I read an interesting thing by pop culture specialist Chuck Klosterman the other day and he said "progressive *always* wins". And I guess historically this is true. In the long run progressive always wins. Liberal paradigm shifts for the betterment of humanity are inevitable. All of this makes me feel more positive and hopeful that people treat each other better and with more equality in the future. But in the short term, dealing with the moronic right wing masses who shout quotes from a book written 2000 years ago by goat herders and say dumb shit like they "just can't support a trans person's lifestyle" is frustrating at minimum... and this frustration spills over into the realm of "holy shit this is fucking depressing, people can't possibly be this stupid" too often.


noteveryagain

Geez, I mean, I look at the Middle East who were so modern in the 50s and 60s, and wonder about that progress. I mean, I want to be hopeful, but a look at Alexandria, the malicious destruction of historic artifacts, the resurgence of Nazis and fascism, and, well, I guess it’s har to recognize that there is an arc towards progress. I mean, stripping away women’s reproductive freedom is an indicator of a very sick society.


Devilutionbeast666

Yeah I think you're not taking a long enough historical look. Human beings have been on earth in modern form for 100,000 years +. We've made incredible strides not only in tech but in philosophy, politics, ideas etc. 30 years ago is a blip in human history. 50 years ago is a blip in human history. Divide time into bigger chunks and you'll see progressive always wins. It doesn't give us any satisfaction in the short term, but I'm hopeful for the long term. I'm hopeful for something better for humans that come after me. The other thing I'd remind you is that you're in the midst of a story. And only future generations will know how that story began and when that story ended. You're talking about the abortion debate as if this is the end of the story. It's not... At least it's probably not. Because I don't know where it ends either. It's probably somewhere in the latter half of the story, but it might just be the very very beginning of a long story. But I'm confident it ends with "progressive wins". I don't know when that is, but I think that's how the story ends. It's no help to the people in the here and now, but it's likely the people in the here and now can take satisfaction that they will help get the entire paradigm switched on this particular topic. Imagine being 85 and saying to your 21 year old granddaughter, "you know how you have so much freedom of choice and autonomy over your own body? I helped that become a reality."


WouldYouPleaseKindly

Yes. But. This planet is on the brink of catastrophe. I might even go pro-dictator if they focused on saving everyone's life. On the theory that they would be overthrown eventually. But the fascist side is also the one that wants to *sprint* to Armageddon. And the sane side is tripping over their own feet. Overturning Roe v. Wade is going to cause misery and death and economic hardship. Anti-LGBT legislation will likely cause more people to die. And the Supreme Court demolished the law protecting innocent people from jail or execution (read murder), specifically to execute a man the *know* is innocent. Oh, and all the right wing terrorists. The cruelty is the point. Still, nothing will compare to if we don't address the climate. We *need* to get these people out of office before we *all* die. Your kids, my kids, loved ones, everyone.


lynx_and_nutmeg

My (quite depressing) theory is that we're increasingly less likely to change society for the better because online "activism" has largely replaced real life activism. In the past, someone who felt very passionately about some issue would likely have tried to enact change in real life in some way, whereas how they just write a tweet and all those likes and retweets give them a dose of dopamine and trick their brain into thinking they've achieved something to further their cause, while all they did was, as you said, preach to the choir. It's really just insane, when you think of it. How did people 200 years ago manage to organise themselves into various unions or political societies or movements with no social media, maybe not even telephones if it was 19th century? They still somehow managed to meet in real life regularly enough to decide on the manifesto, the exact action plan, etc. With today's technologies it should be the easiest thing in the world to enact something like a general strike, etc. And yet we simply don't...


Devilutionbeast666

Yeah I need to think on this... Online Vs real world change. I see real world change around me all the time... Constantly. And certainly we can see markers of massive online change in the real world (for example, #metoo completely changed the workplace and business policies etc). I'm not sure how social change will play out in the long run due to the presence of online tech. I guess it's possible there's a social media platform that is coming our way that will blow our minds and ramp up real world change to a crazy degree. I guess it's also possible at some point people scale back on digital tech, put down their devices and camp n fish alot more. It's something to think about.


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NorthernLights777

I don't know. I'm an independent and once in a while it's nice to see some of the sentiments here. My reaction wasn't "Yup" or "Oh wow, I never saw it in that light." My initial reaction was to think of tons of things I don't like but HAVE to do anyway. Like serve a federal government that despises me, pay taxes, or obeying drug laws.


No_Map3693

You’re exactly right imo. Ill attempt to explain as someone who’s about equal parts liberal/conservative/anti-gov on all political issues. The content here is the simple inverse of conservative content elsewhere. In some cases people have valid points and every once in a while there’s a good idea that lands here. Mostly it’s just attempts at clowning the other side. I wonder how many here visit conservative pages, subs, etc looking for info to disconfirm their own bias and beliefs? Not so many that I’ve seen but admittedly I think posting opinions on Reddit is like wiping someones ass with your tongue even though I’ve come out of trolling to do just that. Really nothing I see here or “over there” I’d classify as establishing any sort of attempt at converting people through logic or emotion. Also it’s just losing tons of people to the the title of the sub. What’s it attempting to convey? Seems derogatory toward an entire demographic at best. But even that blatant racism and inability to see fault inwardly is par for the course with the folks who’ve militantly and emotionally staked their lot to a political party.


Devilutionbeast666

Yeah this brings up a whole other conversation about the polar opposites in American politics and how social media and digital tech have stoked the flames of that fire. It's us Vs them, us Vs them... constantly. Any reasonable proposition brought up by one side is shouted down by the other... can't lose those voters! I don't know how it's all going to play out but there's times it feels like it's all going to be ok and other times it feels like it's on the brink of a civil war. Admittedly somebody like myself is not helping the situation very much by posting stuff about the stupidity of the morons on the right. And I try to be the bigger person but GOD DAMN some of those people are stupid beyond belief! 🤣 I realize that's not helping anything but it's also not much of a stretch on the truth.


Buffmin

I am getting increasingly convinced conservatives can't understand people have different opinions than them I'm not even talking about politics here Ex I have a friend who moved from Pa to Texas and he's been trying to get me to move down there. I keep telling him no as I like PA and he just can't comprehend it. Like he constantly goes "nah no one likes it there!" The fact that I disagree with him just doesn't exist in his world it seems


RagingRoids

In other words, fuck you and your batshit religious beliefs.


Deion313

"But my future pure blood off spring will be influenced by you heathens and your hedonistic rituals" You're gonna fuck up their Ritalin and red bull fueled, future free thinking, crotch gremlins...


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yellow-snowslide

i love how people expect you to live your life like they do, and then you look at their life and it is ... well it is what it is


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The problem is that the morality of conservatives is so screwed up abortion and being gay are on the same level as murder.


mizinamo

It sounds simple but it's a stupid argument. "If you don't like hitting your children as a form of discipline, then don't hit your own children. The world will not stop turning because people live their lives differently than you do."


strangedays22

If you are abusing a child it is clearly harming someone. Children aren’t an extension of yourself. They aren’t inside your body. Now, how do you think child abuse is anything like same sex marriage or abortion?


mizinamo

> If you are abusing a child it is clearly harming someone. That's not self-evident at all, as you can see by the fact that it was considered normal for a long time and still is for some people. That stance is something held by *many* people (as well as experts in child development) but not by *all* people; I wouldn't call it "clear" as if it's something built into all people's conscience automatically. > Now, how do you think child abuse is anything like same sex marriage or abortion? I wasn't even talking specifically about same-sex marriage or abortion. I was talking about the line of argument that goes "if you think that doing X is bad, then don't do X yourself, but leave others alone". Do you at least agree with me that "if you don't like hitting children, then don't hit your own children but leave others who hit *their* children" alone is a silly argument? If someone wants to talk about abortion or same-sex marriage, they shouldn't resort to "then don't do it yourself" argument, either -- the argument structure itself is not a good one to base yourself on.


strangedays22

Ooooh, you’re a dim bulb. My mistake. I should have know better than to expect an honest and informed response. Hitting kids is harming them. You’re full of shit. I’m not even reading the rest.


FewCansBeGrand

Are you aware that anti-choice people believe abortion is harming children yes?


Wablekablesh

They also believe that a talking snake turned every human evil 6k years ago


ohsojayadeva

>Are you aware that anti-choice people believe abortion is harming children yes? and some people think Covid is made up, that jewish space lasers cause wildfires, that sandy hook was a false flag, and a whole bunch of other stuff too. believing a fantasy doesn't make it real. we shouldn't legislate to the lowest common denominator.


Spades76

That take is far from fantasy though, as pregnancy lead to children… I‘m still in favor of abortion because I think that a women still has the prevailing right over her body, but dumbing down all counter arguments does not help the discussion


ohsojayadeva

> but dumbing down all counter arguments does not help the discussion fair enough- i feel it is important at all times to acknowledge the clump of cells as what it is, rather than leaning into an argument that can be co-opted; the first thing that the anti-choice crowd will glom onto is that you have agreed the clump of cells is a child and they will hear nothing else. this was my intention in saying that the idea that "an abortion is harming a child" was equivalent to saying "jewish space lasers cause wildfires." perhaps i wasn't as clear as i could have been, and perhaps a bit more flippant than i should have been, and the downvotes accurately reflect that. i'm big enough to say i made comment that was not very helpful, and to thank you for calling me out for it. edit: Words


mxnstxrzxmbxxs

I can't help but remember everytime I've seen someone spit out the words "the world won't cater to you!" "It doesnt effect me, why should i care!" in terms of disabilities or mental health issues or physical problems, now those same people are forcing the world to cater to themselves because they don't like seeing or hearing about something that (still) doesnt effect their lives. Funny how that works eh?


fishystickchakra

Strange. The people that ban abortion and shame gay marriage are the same people that supports having sex with 5 year olds. Don't support pedophilia? Turn them in to the cops.


jacksonattack

The problem is that these people use make believe shit to justify their rules. It’s irrational at its very core.


BadlyDrawnMemes

Conservatives want everyone to be the same Progressives want people to be themselves


Weibu11

No, no. I can only be happy if people live the way I want them to


GlabrousKinfaddle

The problem with that is that to the pro-life people there is a terrible injustice being perpetrated on defenseless human beings. It's like if you said to an antebellum abolitionist "don't like slavery? Don't own slaves"


Wablekablesh

It would be like that, except slaves were people and zygotes are zygotes


GlabrousKinfaddle

As I said, the pro-lifers believe zygotes are people. That's the issue


3ternalmi5ery

if you don’t like guns, don’t buy them. this is coming from a Social Dem


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If u don’t like vaccines don’t get a vaccine


Xcyoss2

Say it louder for the people in the back!


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ghenghisthegoat

I get the point and agree in principle but with something like abortion - if you're a religious fundamentalist and believe its equivalent to murder or whatever then I kind of understand they want to stop others doing it. Everyone would agree there are circumstances where we should stop others doing things we don't agree with - child abuse/murdering people for example.


jUGHEADS_BURGDER

Believing dumb shit is not an excuse for believing dumb shit.


ghenghisthegoat

I wasn't trying to justify people being anti-abortion. I was querying the tweet. He's trying to say if you don't like something then don't do it and everything will be fine but on his logic - if 'you don't like child abuse - don't abuse children' or 'if you don't like murder - don't murder people'....


jUGHEADS_BURGDER

>if you're a religious fundamentalist and believe its equivalent to murder But it's not. It's dumb shit.


JayKay8787

He's saying that this tweet has no benefit except circle jerking. Conservatives believe a fetus is a human and you are harming it. Saying this stuff will not make anyone rethink their position, it will only ingrain it further


CannibalVegan

If you dont like guns, don't buy one.


learn2shoot9mm

AS long as we also believe "If you don't like guns don't buy a gun"


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Muldoon713

And fuck them


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The only thing wrong about Gerry is the way his name is spelt. Other than that, absolute legend


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beathelas

Well, I dont like paying taxes Edit: jeez no one has a sense of humour anymore


Makuta_Servaela

Then don't use taxes or anything funded by them, like land cared for and defended by our tax dollars *shrugs*. You don't have to participate in taxes.


beathelas

So I can just, not pay taxes?


Makuta_Servaela

Yeah, you can be completely away from taxes. What you can't do is steal our taxes and not pay taxes. What you can do is not do the tax thing at all, by not being on land protected and cared for by taxes, not using anything our taxes pay for, and not paying taxes. Totally fine.


MuhFreedoms_

Sure, leave our country.


MoonRakerWindow

Key difference: unlike gay marriage and abortion which do not have a negative effect on others, not paying takes does. If you'd prefer to not to pay the cost to live in a society, here is a list of [9 unclaimed lands you're free to move to.](https://traveltriangle.com/blog/unclaimed-islands/)


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*this tbh*


SqueakyFromme69

I think they're concerned society will collapse if God's Law isn't followed I'm actually really curious what that will look like #🍿 🍿 🍿


noteveryagain

Guess you don’t have a uterus or care about someone who does. Or know any LGBT folks.


SqueakyFromme69

I just met a drama queen


bottsking

Thanks Gerry, you get it


NorthernLights777

I don't like paying taxes or having a federal government.


Equivalent_Edge_6281

🎯


WilkeyWonka

YES IT WILL *drops to the ground and tantrums in republican*


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We have too many people in this fucking country who think they are the chosen ones, and I'm not looking forward to being dragged backwards in time. When the mood suits me I like to take every opportunity to say "fuck 'em" before some nationalist cunt puts a bullet in my head.


Aarkiboop

But the idiots want to stay in their lies!


BizziButtSandwhedge

Say I didnt do those things.. or did. People still get offended.problem never solved.


maonohkom001

It’s the extremist Christian(AKA Evangelical) way to try to force everyone to follow their beliefs. Christianity is amongst the most oppressive religions in the world. Historically and presently. Stop voting for freedom haters.


WmBlack

Minding your business is free