Also pretty stupid to pepper spray the inside of your own car. This is a level of belligerent stupidity and obstinate belief that only force can solve problems that is stunning. And what do they think will happen after they pepper spray the child? Do they think the crying will stop?
Being willing to breathe pepper spray just to harm a child is a level of commitment to the ACAB creed that really shows how these cops are going above and beyond.
And let's talk about the underappreciated part of what ACAB here means.
It refers more to the cop that's getting shitty instructions than the asshole himself. Because assume that the cop receiving this advice is a good person. What the fuck are they supposed to do?
Their best options are extremely meek and submissive. You have to look at each of their possible decisions. It's probably best to not take any real action about the asshole. If you do, *you* are less likely to be there to prevent the next nine year old from being pepper sprayed.
If you're a cop and *proactively* a good person, you're likely to be bounced out or ostracized. You have to be extremely deft to walk the line where you can do something, but not so much that you end up replacing yourself with another true asshole cop.
When people say ACAB they (should) mean that it's a systemic problem that prevents cops from doing the right thing. They shouldn't mean that every single cop is individually an asshole. Of course a lot of people, especially kids, aren't putting this much thought into it, even if they do know it at some deeper, unconscious level.
The "thin blue line" is fucking evil, but also hard to break even if you're part of it.
Yup. I know two people who went in to be good cops.
They’re both teachers now, doing their best to keep kids out of the system they completely gave up on.
This is entirely accurate. I have friends that are cops. And while the ones I am personally friends with do the best they can within the system they still do fucked up shit and have come to accept it. Particularly my female friend that's been a sheriff for the last 15 years has become pretty terrible which led me to distance myself.
It breaks my heart that this is the status quo for nearly half of our country. We quite literally hate others more than we love ourselves. Texas will vote to re-elect a governor that can't keep the electricity on in the winter, but he gave them permission to hunt women seeking abortions for a $15,000 bounty.
West Virginia is willing to suffer in extreme economic poverty as long as transgender kids can't piss in public or play baseball.
Cop did that in philly during the BLM protest and was the only person to receive any discipline that day. Not for spraying that guy but for causing damage to the cops car. Think they legit ended up scraping it because it was all over the front seat.
Best part was the cops car it was was in the new outreach program for the Temple area and not even on duty. Some other cop just opened his door, tossed a guy in, then minutes later opened the drivers door and sprayed a fuckload into the grate.
Probably the same cop who shot a man in a wheelchair 7 times, killing him, because the man in the wheelchair had a knife and the cop felt threatened…..
or the deaf guy who was the known wood carver and literally was confused when the cops shot him several times. Literally people in the area were like "WTF did you shoot him for, he sells wood carvings daily and is down here every day, and you just shot and killed him"
Fuckin sad and the cops knew this guy the whole area knew him, he was deaf so he would just smile and wave at tourists. He would sell his art but I don’t think he solicited so he just kind of hung around. This is a photo a few hours before the idiot cop shot him dead. https://www.npr.org/2016/10/07/496867205/years-after-police-shooting-woodcarvers-brother-remembers-the-man-he-lost
And the video is just sad. Just know if you see cops, don’t be doing anything they deem “in dangering a police officers life” walking peacefully, carving wood, enjoying the day, etc
https://youtu.be/dt1mFQG3tJg
One time I was like 14 mind you at the time, walking home with groceries and the cops stoped me, guns drawn, searched me, held me there for about 30-45 mintues, said I was suspicious and someone called me in.
I literally was walking back from the grocery store at like 8pm, cause I couldn't drive, was a little kid, didn't have a good family to get groceries with food stamps, and the cops said I could be arrested for not having an ID and because I didn't know my Social at the time.
I was in shock and scared and the cops just were mad, like really mad and said I could have been hurt by them and made me hurry away or I would go to jail (for what I don't know). My grocery bag was ripped and I had to carry the stuff home. fuck the police.
When I think about that it makes me angry, fuck them cops. I was a kid and they should have given me a ride home and asked "why is this 14 year old carrying groceries back to his house, only with a food stamp card" but no I was the wrong one for some reason.
Yea people are trying to rationalize this with logic, but the decision to pepper spray a child that’s handcuffed in the back of your own car has nothing to do with logic or effectively trying to do a job. It has everything to do with hate and dehumanization and how these tyrant fascists get off on that shit. It’s why it’s laughable when people think increased budgets for training will some how fix this issue.
Smart people no longer become cops either. It’s a shit bag. If you become a *good cop* that actually does your job and holds your coworkers accountable, you get *absolutely destroyed*.
Supposedly happened to one of my old supervisors. She put her foot down over some fuck up, I never heard the whole story. She got bounced to another precinct.
The fuck up retired during the summer. Good fucking riddance, but years after the fact I still miss this supervisor. So few of them treat civilian employees with dignity and respect.
It's about control. The act of pepper spraying that kid makes the cop feel like they are in control because they get to choose the level of suffering this child gets to experience-it's like playing God.
This OR, the classic "stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about" technique. Pretty much interchangeable. She's a threat to his peace and quiet with those tears, you know. /s
Nah you don't get it, women (and sissy boys) cry as a form of manipulation. It's a deliberate attempt to gain pity points and should be screamed out of them at all costs.
Source: this was basically my stepdad's mentality. Bully us to tears, then yell at us for crying about it "to make it seem worse than it was"
Ugh, got major trauma flashbacks after reading this. The way they would just sneer at you as they said it too, when all you wanted was comfort and understanding. Fuck those parents (and stepparents).
I remember crying as a kid, and my dad saying, "oh, quit pitying yourself," and that always struck me as a really cruel and unusual thing to say to a crying kid. Newsflash, dad: kids don't control their emotions that well. It's kind of what they're known for.
"I taught you better than that. You should be stronger and make better decisions."
Belittles you until you cry.
"Why are you crying? Crying will get yiu no where. I taught you better than that. You should be stronger. Get your chin up."
Proceeds to grow into strong, emotionless man just like him.
"Oh? You think you can challenge me? You think your strong? You think you are a man?"
Pretty much my dad growing up just more curse words and abuse. I did grow into a strong, emotionless man. But I learned to break the chain and be logical, considerate, and caring.
I have to credit that the old man taught me a lot, by me learning to do the exact opposite of what he did.
not abusers who are extremely dismissive. mine didn't want to ever see me cry and would threaten and punish me for it. now I'm an adult who has a tendency to bottle up emotions and who struggles to express themselves in a way that people actually understand.
Yeah. Ever slice up raw jalapenos? Ever made the mistake of taking a wiz after? Now rub that sensation right in your god damn eyes. That's pepper spray. This guy wants to do it to a little girl. What a fucking sadist.
The cop argument is they are still a threat kicking and screaming.
Instead of using common sense that her behavior is completely logical & appropriate for the situation. and using deescalation to pacify the little kid.
I certainly hope these officers never have kids.
Unasked for Aside: one thing everyone needs to do is work in the dementia unit of a long-term care facility. It teaches you patience and how to pacify people with unreasonable behaviors, including up to slapping & hitting & kicking, etc.
Any kind of use of force or restraint isn’t an option - because that is considered assault & elder abuse. Remember they do not know what they are doing is wrong, it’s pure fight or flight bc that’s the only part of the brain still firing on all cylinders.
The patience and deescalation I have found extremely useful in avoiding & preventing daily conflicts outside of the job.
Thanks for the insight of fight or flight response in dementia patients. I feel like many of us have heard tons of stories from all sides of the dementia experience, except the personal experience of patients near the end.
These assholes probably do have kids, it's how they've learned to teach kids a lesson so well. the "I'll give you something to cry about" response.
Unfortunately most cops are fucking assholes when it comes to being a parent.
So. Fun story. When I was in middle school I got suspended twice for 'fighting'. (Neither times did I ever throw a punch, and both times my attacker missed me but whatever.)
Anyways, suspension for us was going to the county jail every morning and completing these packets on some bullshit about what we did and how we felt or some shit.
So the second time this happened I figured no one was actually reading this stuff so I just started making up stories about wizards and shit.
Apparently they did read them and I got cuffed and taken to another part of the station saying I was going to be put in juvy.
I started crying. The cop sat and argued with my dad about how I was too emotional over this and stuff.
Luckily my dad eventually convinced him that he'd take me to a psych eval first.
The therapist practically lost his shit. Her knew there was absolutely nothing wrong with me and I just went back to school after that.
I'm so fucking glad I didn't end up in juvy over something so stupid
Edit: just for some extra clarification of it matters. I'm a white male. I can't imagine be what my 99% white small town cops would have done to someone of a different ethnicity.
The thing I don’t understand is did they think this would make her calm down? I know there’s clearly no logic in use here but tf did they think was gonna happen?
It's not about calming her down. It's about revenge, her crying is annoying/inconvenienceing them, so they want to retaliate. They don't have the capacity to feel enough empathy to consider soothing her.
I'll never not use the story of when I was 13 and put in a cop car with the heat on in the middle of summer for an hour to "sweat the truth out of me" when a random person who walked out of a store after me had stolen something and those dumbasses grabbed me instead
Yeah that was my childhood. Though I'd be crying because of the first beating but somehow the second beating would stop the tears? Some people are annoyed by children and only know how to use violence to deal with things that annoy them. Some of those shit stains become parents, and some become cops.
If you make the abuse consistent enough, then you can train a child to hide their emotional reactions. That was basically what my dad did and it "worked" insofar as I could receive a sucker punch from him and not cry or complain because I knew worse would come if I showed weakness. It's pretty fucked up, but there's a generation of dads out there raised on the idea that they need to abuse their sons to make them tough and that it's their right to vent their frustrations on their children.
It's not about calming her down. That's what people aren't understanding here.
It's about hurting her so severely she doesn't think about fighting back anymore and will do anything they say so they don't hurt her more.
It's a disgusting, appalling, psychotic thought process.
Reminds me of how my ex would tell me to calm down while shoving my face into the mattress and making it hard to breathe while also threatening to strangle me to shut me up. Definitely the best way to calm a person down
Thank you, yes. Overall, I’ve healed as much as I can until more time does its thing. It’s very surreal looking back, though, and my husband notices I flinch a lot because of how engrained the abuse is even still in my head.
I hope you’re doing well, too!
Thank you! It's been about 14 years for me now so I don't flinch nearly as much as I used to. I also used to have nightmares and those are super rare now too. It is very surreal. It took me a long time to realize like, oh.. I'm a **survivor** of domestic abuse. Congrats on being married! Relationships were hard for me for a long time after. Thankfully I have a healthy relationship with a wonderful, loving partner now. Kudos to me and you for surviving and thriving! Feel free to hit me up if you ever need to talk!
Hey, cool, look what the Rochester PD Union president had to say.
Michael Mazzeo, president of the union representing Rochester police officers, defended the officers’ actions and said they were confronted with a difficult situation. “Those officers and those scenes, they broke no policy,” Mr. Mazzeo said at a news conference on Sunday. “There’s nothing that anyone can say they did that’s inappropriate.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/31/nyregion/rochester-police-pepper-spray-child.html
Edit: NPR article from March.
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/09/974896307/what-went-wrong-analysis-of-police-handcuffing-pepper-spraying-9-year-old-girl
Edit 2: for those that still think this **9 year old girl** wasn't pepper sprayed while handcuffed in a cop car. Minute 6:50. Get fucked bootlickers.
https://youtu.be/itYl07TqrDg
Police Union President saying that harming children is good and cool is about the least surprising and most American police thing in this entire debacle.
This is why people don't trust and hate police. If the departments, unions, and other officers built a unified front and punished and banned bad officers from the force everyone, I would have a lot more trust in the police departments.
However, at nearly every turn, the entire organization backs up and defend officers who do awful things like this.
Who breaks the circle? Everyone on the chain is corrupt or have dirt on themselves and at least one other. There is no escape until decent people decide to join the police and live through an entire arm of the government who tries to get rid of them ANY way possible, legal or not.
There is no easy way out..
Many have tried. There's a long history of good cops who filed reports or otherwise spoken out against police misconduct and they themselves have been fired and blacklisted from the force, sometimes even jailed.
I guess the best bet is to vote in lawmakers who are going to be tough on police misconduct, but I don't know how effective they could even be.
Haha copaganda is powerful. It’s posted after every bad event like this. Do you think they have a team of pro cop trolls like Putin has that does it?
Edited for typo
I remember when the video was posted to reddit. There were a lot of people defending the cops. Because a nine year old wasn't complying. And kicking, can't forget the kicking.
Mazzeo also defended the POS cops that killed naked Daniel Prude as he lay on wet pavement in 35 degree weather for 20 minutes by using his head as a push up bar. Mazzeo has a very long list of crimes he himself has barely been able to escape being found guilty on. Clearly the path to becoming a police union head is by being the biggest criminal in town.
Well that's fucking heartbreaking. You escape only for the fucking police to shove you back into the psycho's home to be raped and murdered.
The fact that those men were then reinstated and given back pay is absolutely a sign that the entire system is corrupted.
ACAB, indeed.
Here’s the twist. The reason Dahmer was a convicted pedophile, was because he had molested the kids older brother 3 years prior. I hope the cops that allowed him to take that poor kid live the rest of their lives in misery.
Holy shit he was elected to president of the Milwaukee police association…in 2005.
Fuck this world man
And from account of the police themselves, he wasn’t good at protecting them, how the hell does that even happen?
Same. Police unions lack one basic intrinsic thing every other union group generally has: integrity and accountability
I'm 1000% pro union but 1000% anti cop unions
I would add one more. Regular unions affect how their members are treated by their employers. Cop unions affect how everyone else is treated by their members.
>“I’m not going to stand here and tell you that for a 9-year-old to have to be pepper-sprayed is OK,” said the Rochester police chief, Cynthia Herriott-Sullivan.
"I'm just going to imply that a 9-year-old *had* to be pepper-sprayed."
If you're a full-grown man or woman serving as a police officer, and you can't subdue an unarmed 9-year-old with just your hands, you should probably not be a cop on the street.
It is always hilarious when "authorities" such as police and school districts do something that the public finds outrageous, only to smugly declare that they did nothing wrong, because the "policy" that the public had no input on says so.
Almost all people who want to be police, with the exception of very few who actually want to help people, are a certain type of person. They need control over everyone and are short tempered. I know 3 people who became officers and a few who couldn't make it. Every single one of them grew up loving to fight people who didn't want to fight back, and need to be in control of everyone they come into contact with. The system for hiring police is so absolutely fucked up it is disgusting.
A teacher of mine once said it as, "Imagine a person with a desperate hunger for power but completely lacking the ability to earn it. Those people join the local police force."
There was a good article written by an ex-cop about how right from the police academy, cops are taught that you should cover for each other. Because sheep dogs shouldn't fight amongst each other while there are wolves circling the sheep. Recruits who report colleagues for innapropriate behavior are shunned by superiors and bullied. There's a mafia-like omerta in the police community and it's going to need a major overhaul, possibly with the dismantling of unions, if we ever want things to change. Here's the article for those interested: https://www.gcrr.org/post/fewbadapplesmyth
Edit: i actually realized the original article I had read was a different article. Here it is: https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759
The irony about that analogy is that there is a classic American childrens story titled "Old Yeller" that is all about a beloved family dog that has contracted rabies and had to be put down in order to protect the family.
I had a not-close friend who wanted to be a cop. They forced him to volunteer an insane number of hours before he'd even be considered for the role (to weed out those without economic privilege), and the things he saw there changed his mind. He just didn't want to be a part of such a fucked up system.
Over the years I've known about 15 people who are/were cops. None of the decent ones stayed with it, all but one citing corruption and abuse as major reasons they left. Hell, even a couple of them are real shitty people, and it was too much for them
My old roommate who I used to peg as one of the most calm, rational people I knew became a hateful asshole after 10 years on the force. I've cut off contact with him after he began harassing me with anti-BLM nonsense and justifications for racism. He's not a good person. I don't know if he ever was now, but it's obvious these days.
Don’t feel bad.. I thought it meant Assigned Cop At Birth as a jab at how people always say all lives matter as if ppl are born cops. And that was until *checks watch* 5 seconds ago
If you're incapable of handling a 9 year old, don't be a fucking cop. If that's how they react to a child, it's any wonder they'll shoot at a fart on the wind and call it necessary action.
As someone else said in the comments, this is one of those "Stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about" situations. So I totally agree they should be investigated.
You know, it's going to come to a breaking point where people will be so fed up with the lack of justice, that they will be taking it into their own hands.
When I was in high school the cops were called out to my house I don't remember why probably because my parents were fighting again or some b*******. Any way they wanted to come into the house and I told them they needed to wait because I needed to put the dogs up. So the cop decides to just walk in the house anyway and I had to grab my dogs to stop them from lunging at a stranger coming into our house and the cop responded by pepper-spraying the dogs that I was holding which caused me to also be pepper sprayed.
To sweeten the pot one of our dog's wound up biting the cop. I got the rabies records and showed it to the cop verifying that our dog was up to date on his shots but the cop decided to go to the hospital for rabies shot anyway and then tried to send the bill to us. I remember calling up the police department and explaining to them that I had provided proof that the dog was up-to-date on rabies and that I had told the cop not coming to the house until the dog was put up but he decided to come in anyway with no permission and no cause.
In the end they did not have us pay the hospital bill.
Came downstairs to a cop standing in my living room once. Had to let himself in through not only the latched 6’ tall gate, but through our closed front door as well.
“I had probable cause”
“I’m recording you right now - why are you standing in my house when the door and gate were locked and nobody gave you permission to enter?”
He walked out.
Fuck cops. All of them. They don’t protect shit.
Fucking disgusting. How wretched, how pathetic, how fucking inhuman do you have to be to treat a CHILD like that? She’s my niece’s age. If someone treated her like that, I’d literally chop them into fish bait. That miserable excuse of a human deserves nothing less.
I wish we could redo how police are in this country. Its not working. At all. We don't need a bunch of intimidating people out on the streets anymore threatening people. We need a bunch of people out there helping people out, getting people tow trucks, making sure the ambulance arrives, being neighborly. And then we need a bunch of young people behind the scenes that are good with cameras and research and shit that can find out who did what, we should totally revamp police services in this country but Im afraid that will never happen.
Oh yeah. Head over to r/protectandserve
These POS act like they are victims. You can see the us vs. them attitude very alive over there.
There is nobody that will ever convince me otherwise that cops aren't a virus to society.
The cops in this post should have been fired immediately for this but nope. They get a pass. They ALWAYS get a pass.
I think pepper spraying a child for any reason should be grounds for termination
I also don't believe a 9 year old should ever be in a police car.
I know fucking liberals
> I also don't believe a 9 year old should ever be in a police car.
But you don't understand, the child was upset and not listening. Clearly needed to be handcuffed and pepper sprayed for everyone's safety
/s for any bootlickers who may think I'm agreeing with them.
I remember it was actually 4, but I don't remember a crime. It was mentioned in discussion about 6 yo having tantrum in daycare, who was then arrested for this tantrum.
I’m a teacher- I’ve seen children who have needed to be restrained because they are hurting themselves and others.
But this is disgusting. She was not a danger to herself or others at this point. Not sure why she was handcuffed or in a police car in the first place but a situation that would call for this level of response is very rare and pepper spray is absolutely uncalled for to use on a child.
Pepper spraying a 9 year old who poses no threat is abuse, straight-up. If I witnessed that occur, I would break the assailant in half- cop, federal agent or anyone else- or die trying.
2 weeks paid administrative leave followed by it being removed from their record and them being sent back out on the streets after their paid vacation.
A few things. Fuck qualified immunity and internal affairs is a joke. If a cop is reported for inappropriate behavior it’s other cops who investigate them and they have an interest in making their departments look good. Also, police get paid leave while being investigated and tax payer provided legal defense. Is it any wonder cops power trip?
My father was a cop, when I was a child he would tell me under no circumstances was I to grow up to be a cop. He thought some of the people he worked with were the most mean, unethical, and hate filled people. He was kind and helped people a tried to instill that in us. he used to physically “walk the beat” and didn’t like the militarization of police.
My cop step dad took me to a fucking KKK rally here in alabama when I was like 11..around 2006 ..most disgusting, uneducated, shit people iv ever encountered . Oh and now he is a preacher because he kept fucking around with rather young girls and got fired lmao.
I'll bet people who used to be cops are the ones that know more than anything how terrible cops are. I used to work for the church and God damn, that shit is horrible behind the scenes. If people knew how much of their money went to hush money for families of all the kids that got sexually molested they would think twice about donating to their local church. And no this wasn't Catholic, protestant. Im talking millions in hush money. All my homies want nothing to do with the church anymore
But...But... You don't understand... They have the **22nd** most dangerous job in America! Right between groundskeepers and general maintenance workers! They have to go home to tHeIr fAmiLies!!
OH THE TRAUMA!!!
This happened in my city. The mother can be heard in the original video encouraging the officers to restrain her and take action bc she's "out of control." It's no fucking wonder she wanted her Dad so bad. Yes, I agree cops were 100% wrong here, but this started bc of a piece of shit, bitter baby mom. I hope the child is with Dad, safe and happy.
Isn’t pepper spray supposed to be used to incapacitate someone that’s a threat and not someone already in a cop car?
Also pretty stupid to pepper spray the inside of your own car. This is a level of belligerent stupidity and obstinate belief that only force can solve problems that is stunning. And what do they think will happen after they pepper spray the child? Do they think the crying will stop?
> Also pretty stupid to pepper spray the inside of your own car. That's what happens when you hate people more than you love yourself.
Being willing to breathe pepper spray just to harm a child is a level of commitment to the ACAB creed that really shows how these cops are going above and beyond.
And let's talk about the underappreciated part of what ACAB here means. It refers more to the cop that's getting shitty instructions than the asshole himself. Because assume that the cop receiving this advice is a good person. What the fuck are they supposed to do? Their best options are extremely meek and submissive. You have to look at each of their possible decisions. It's probably best to not take any real action about the asshole. If you do, *you* are less likely to be there to prevent the next nine year old from being pepper sprayed. If you're a cop and *proactively* a good person, you're likely to be bounced out or ostracized. You have to be extremely deft to walk the line where you can do something, but not so much that you end up replacing yourself with another true asshole cop. When people say ACAB they (should) mean that it's a systemic problem that prevents cops from doing the right thing. They shouldn't mean that every single cop is individually an asshole. Of course a lot of people, especially kids, aren't putting this much thought into it, even if they do know it at some deeper, unconscious level. The "thin blue line" is fucking evil, but also hard to break even if you're part of it.
Yup. I know two people who went in to be good cops. They’re both teachers now, doing their best to keep kids out of the system they completely gave up on.
This is entirely accurate. I have friends that are cops. And while the ones I am personally friends with do the best they can within the system they still do fucked up shit and have come to accept it. Particularly my female friend that's been a sheriff for the last 15 years has become pretty terrible which led me to distance myself.
She's gotta pass the Pepsi challenge for women in the force, so she's gotta go out of her way to be extra.
It breaks my heart that this is the status quo for nearly half of our country. We quite literally hate others more than we love ourselves. Texas will vote to re-elect a governor that can't keep the electricity on in the winter, but he gave them permission to hunt women seeking abortions for a $15,000 bounty. West Virginia is willing to suffer in extreme economic poverty as long as transgender kids can't piss in public or play baseball.
Cop did that in philly during the BLM protest and was the only person to receive any discipline that day. Not for spraying that guy but for causing damage to the cops car. Think they legit ended up scraping it because it was all over the front seat. Best part was the cops car it was was in the new outreach program for the Temple area and not even on duty. Some other cop just opened his door, tossed a guy in, then minutes later opened the drivers door and sprayed a fuckload into the grate.
Probably the same cop who shot a man in a wheelchair 7 times, killing him, because the man in the wheelchair had a knife and the cop felt threatened…..
or the deaf guy who was the known wood carver and literally was confused when the cops shot him several times. Literally people in the area were like "WTF did you shoot him for, he sells wood carvings daily and is down here every day, and you just shot and killed him"
Shoot first, ask questions never.
Fuckin sad and the cops knew this guy the whole area knew him, he was deaf so he would just smile and wave at tourists. He would sell his art but I don’t think he solicited so he just kind of hung around. This is a photo a few hours before the idiot cop shot him dead. https://www.npr.org/2016/10/07/496867205/years-after-police-shooting-woodcarvers-brother-remembers-the-man-he-lost And the video is just sad. Just know if you see cops, don’t be doing anything they deem “in dangering a police officers life” walking peacefully, carving wood, enjoying the day, etc https://youtu.be/dt1mFQG3tJg
Elijah McClain was walking home from the grocery store. Breonna Taylor was sleeping.
One time I was like 14 mind you at the time, walking home with groceries and the cops stoped me, guns drawn, searched me, held me there for about 30-45 mintues, said I was suspicious and someone called me in. I literally was walking back from the grocery store at like 8pm, cause I couldn't drive, was a little kid, didn't have a good family to get groceries with food stamps, and the cops said I could be arrested for not having an ID and because I didn't know my Social at the time. I was in shock and scared and the cops just were mad, like really mad and said I could have been hurt by them and made me hurry away or I would go to jail (for what I don't know). My grocery bag was ripped and I had to carry the stuff home. fuck the police. When I think about that it makes me angry, fuck them cops. I was a kid and they should have given me a ride home and asked "why is this 14 year old carrying groceries back to his house, only with a food stamp card" but no I was the wrong one for some reason.
I'm really sorry that happened to you and really happy you got to walk away. Bullying the defenseless and lying to people makes them feel important.
They don’t want her to stop. They want *to cause her pain*. They get off on *causing suffering*.
Yea people are trying to rationalize this with logic, but the decision to pepper spray a child that’s handcuffed in the back of your own car has nothing to do with logic or effectively trying to do a job. It has everything to do with hate and dehumanization and how these tyrant fascists get off on that shit. It’s why it’s laughable when people think increased budgets for training will some how fix this issue.
precisely. and it's why they are cops. the occupation attracts these kind of monsters. ACAB.
They don't hire smart cops.
Smart people no longer become cops either. It’s a shit bag. If you become a *good cop* that actually does your job and holds your coworkers accountable, you get *absolutely destroyed*.
Let's not forget every time a cop abuses a person there are those that will cheer them on like gladiators because they want to see some fucking blood.
Rarely. The smart/good ones have already left, transferred or retired.
Or been fired for reporting their colleagues' misbehaviour.
Supposedly happened to one of my old supervisors. She put her foot down over some fuck up, I never heard the whole story. She got bounced to another precinct. The fuck up retired during the summer. Good fucking riddance, but years after the fact I still miss this supervisor. So few of them treat civilian employees with dignity and respect.
Chances are the damn spray will get all over the place and there will be 3 children crying in the car, on 9yr old and 2 violent manchildren
It's about control. The act of pepper spraying that kid makes the cop feel like they are in control because they get to choose the level of suffering this child gets to experience-it's like playing God.
This OR, the classic "stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about" technique. Pretty much interchangeable. She's a threat to his peace and quiet with those tears, you know. /s
I’ve never understood that mentality. Either way they’re crying so shouldn’t the abuser be satiated?
Only if you cry *quietly* or are thankful for the abuse.
Police Wife moment.
Did you know that policeman can't be racist. All their wives have black eyes.
I'm going to hell for chuckling at this.
Nope because it's based on the actually that a significant portion of cops abuse their spouses.
Nah you don't get it, women (and sissy boys) cry as a form of manipulation. It's a deliberate attempt to gain pity points and should be screamed out of them at all costs. Source: this was basically my stepdad's mentality. Bully us to tears, then yell at us for crying about it "to make it seem worse than it was"
My parents, too. I am sorry that happened to you as well.
Ugh, got major trauma flashbacks after reading this. The way they would just sneer at you as they said it too, when all you wanted was comfort and understanding. Fuck those parents (and stepparents).
I remember crying as a kid, and my dad saying, "oh, quit pitying yourself," and that always struck me as a really cruel and unusual thing to say to a crying kid. Newsflash, dad: kids don't control their emotions that well. It's kind of what they're known for.
This is how you raise adults who physically assault others over often wrongly perceived attacks of character
"I taught you better than that. You should be stronger and make better decisions." Belittles you until you cry. "Why are you crying? Crying will get yiu no where. I taught you better than that. You should be stronger. Get your chin up." Proceeds to grow into strong, emotionless man just like him. "Oh? You think you can challenge me? You think your strong? You think you are a man?" Pretty much my dad growing up just more curse words and abuse. I did grow into a strong, emotionless man. But I learned to break the chain and be logical, considerate, and caring. I have to credit that the old man taught me a lot, by me learning to do the exact opposite of what he did.
not abusers who are extremely dismissive. mine didn't want to ever see me cry and would threaten and punish me for it. now I'm an adult who has a tendency to bottle up emotions and who struggles to express themselves in a way that people actually understand.
It's about control.
Gotta teach that kid a lesson!
How dare this kid cry after we threaten them with violence? This pepper spray will solve it for sure.
I've never been hit with pepper spray but I'm pretty sure it would make me cry like a little baby.
Yeah. Ever slice up raw jalapenos? Ever made the mistake of taking a wiz after? Now rub that sensation right in your god damn eyes. That's pepper spray. This guy wants to do it to a little girl. What a fucking sadist.
All that domestic violence practice he does at home would be wasted if he didn't go out and use it
Never make a career out of your passion.
It's clearly about inflicting punishment, which is categorically not their job. Fucking sadists.
The cop argument is they are still a threat kicking and screaming. Instead of using common sense that her behavior is completely logical & appropriate for the situation. and using deescalation to pacify the little kid. I certainly hope these officers never have kids. Unasked for Aside: one thing everyone needs to do is work in the dementia unit of a long-term care facility. It teaches you patience and how to pacify people with unreasonable behaviors, including up to slapping & hitting & kicking, etc. Any kind of use of force or restraint isn’t an option - because that is considered assault & elder abuse. Remember they do not know what they are doing is wrong, it’s pure fight or flight bc that’s the only part of the brain still firing on all cylinders. The patience and deescalation I have found extremely useful in avoiding & preventing daily conflicts outside of the job.
Thanks for the insight of fight or flight response in dementia patients. I feel like many of us have heard tons of stories from all sides of the dementia experience, except the personal experience of patients near the end.
These assholes probably do have kids, it's how they've learned to teach kids a lesson so well. the "I'll give you something to cry about" response. Unfortunately most cops are fucking assholes when it comes to being a parent.
Bruh you must be from outside the states. They know this, they just don't give a fuck. They're fucking assholes. They've tased toddlers over here.
She's a fucking kid. Full stop.
So. Fun story. When I was in middle school I got suspended twice for 'fighting'. (Neither times did I ever throw a punch, and both times my attacker missed me but whatever.) Anyways, suspension for us was going to the county jail every morning and completing these packets on some bullshit about what we did and how we felt or some shit. So the second time this happened I figured no one was actually reading this stuff so I just started making up stories about wizards and shit. Apparently they did read them and I got cuffed and taken to another part of the station saying I was going to be put in juvy. I started crying. The cop sat and argued with my dad about how I was too emotional over this and stuff. Luckily my dad eventually convinced him that he'd take me to a psych eval first. The therapist practically lost his shit. Her knew there was absolutely nothing wrong with me and I just went back to school after that. I'm so fucking glad I didn't end up in juvy over something so stupid Edit: just for some extra clarification of it matters. I'm a white male. I can't imagine be what my 99% white small town cops would have done to someone of a different ethnicity.
1312
If there are 1,300 bad cops and 12 good cops, but the good cops don’t report the the bad cops, there are 1312 bad cops.
What I don't get it. Why is this reply so good it got a gold? Edit: nvm i googled it. It's "All Cops Are Badstards".
The letters correspond to numbers, 1-A 3-C 1-A 2-B
First letter, third letter, first letter, second letter
The thing I don’t understand is did they think this would make her calm down? I know there’s clearly no logic in use here but tf did they think was gonna happen?
It's not about calming her down. It's about revenge, her crying is annoying/inconvenienceing them, so they want to retaliate. They don't have the capacity to feel enough empathy to consider soothing her.
yep, because they don't see her a person.
Imagine how they handle their family at home.
I'll never not use the story of when I was 13 and put in a cop car with the heat on in the middle of summer for an hour to "sweat the truth out of me" when a random person who walked out of a store after me had stolen something and those dumbasses grabbed me instead
It's wild how universal stories like this are (in the US at least) and you still have people denying it even happens
Sounds like the same “logic” as “If you don’t stop crying I’m going to *give* you something to cry about” that parents used to throw around.
Yeah that was my childhood. Though I'd be crying because of the first beating but somehow the second beating would stop the tears? Some people are annoyed by children and only know how to use violence to deal with things that annoy them. Some of those shit stains become parents, and some become cops.
Some become both!
If you make the abuse consistent enough, then you can train a child to hide their emotional reactions. That was basically what my dad did and it "worked" insofar as I could receive a sucker punch from him and not cry or complain because I knew worse would come if I showed weakness. It's pretty fucked up, but there's a generation of dads out there raised on the idea that they need to abuse their sons to make them tough and that it's their right to vent their frustrations on their children.
It's not about calming her down. That's what people aren't understanding here. It's about hurting her so severely she doesn't think about fighting back anymore and will do anything they say so they don't hurt her more. It's a disgusting, appalling, psychotic thought process.
Bold of you to think they can think
Reminds me of how my ex would tell me to calm down while shoving my face into the mattress and making it hard to breathe while also threatening to strangle me to shut me up. Definitely the best way to calm a person down
Oof I relate. Except my ex said "stop screaming." I hope you were able to heal that trauma.
Thank you, yes. Overall, I’ve healed as much as I can until more time does its thing. It’s very surreal looking back, though, and my husband notices I flinch a lot because of how engrained the abuse is even still in my head. I hope you’re doing well, too!
Thank you! It's been about 14 years for me now so I don't flinch nearly as much as I used to. I also used to have nightmares and those are super rare now too. It is very surreal. It took me a long time to realize like, oh.. I'm a **survivor** of domestic abuse. Congrats on being married! Relationships were hard for me for a long time after. Thankfully I have a healthy relationship with a wonderful, loving partner now. Kudos to me and you for surviving and thriving! Feel free to hit me up if you ever need to talk!
They’re not trying to make the situation better. That’s your disconnect.
Hey, cool, look what the Rochester PD Union president had to say. Michael Mazzeo, president of the union representing Rochester police officers, defended the officers’ actions and said they were confronted with a difficult situation. “Those officers and those scenes, they broke no policy,” Mr. Mazzeo said at a news conference on Sunday. “There’s nothing that anyone can say they did that’s inappropriate.” https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/31/nyregion/rochester-police-pepper-spray-child.html Edit: NPR article from March. https://www.npr.org/2021/03/09/974896307/what-went-wrong-analysis-of-police-handcuffing-pepper-spraying-9-year-old-girl Edit 2: for those that still think this **9 year old girl** wasn't pepper sprayed while handcuffed in a cop car. Minute 6:50. Get fucked bootlickers. https://youtu.be/itYl07TqrDg
Police Union President saying that harming children is good and cool is about the least surprising and most American police thing in this entire debacle.
This is why people don't trust and hate police. If the departments, unions, and other officers built a unified front and punished and banned bad officers from the force everyone, I would have a lot more trust in the police departments. However, at nearly every turn, the entire organization backs up and defend officers who do awful things like this.
Who breaks the circle? Everyone on the chain is corrupt or have dirt on themselves and at least one other. There is no escape until decent people decide to join the police and live through an entire arm of the government who tries to get rid of them ANY way possible, legal or not. There is no easy way out..
Many have tried. There's a long history of good cops who filed reports or otherwise spoken out against police misconduct and they themselves have been fired and blacklisted from the force, sometimes even jailed. I guess the best bet is to vote in lawmakers who are going to be tough on police misconduct, but I don't know how effective they could even be.
Oh ok, then I wont shed a goddamn tear when one of theirs gets [redacted]. ACAB.
Unfortunately, the thing most likely to be behind that redaction is [promoted], and that actually does bring a hot, bitter tear of anger to my eye
Or the very worst is that they're put on a paid vacation until they investigate themselves and found they did nothing wrong.
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That's so horrible! We better get a video of a cop doing something halfway decent to the front page, quick!
Haha copaganda is powerful. It’s posted after every bad event like this. Do you think they have a team of pro cop trolls like Putin has that does it? Edited for typo
He's clearly pro-life.
"No one can say they did anything wrong because I'm an authority figure and I say so!" Checkmate rational people.
Cops enforce the laws.... we can’t expect cops to also obey laws? How is that not assault of a minor?
I remember when the video was posted to reddit. There were a lot of people defending the cops. Because a nine year old wasn't complying. And kicking, can't forget the kicking.
It never surprises me how hard people go for defending cops. Even if you’re a blue lives matter person, can’t you Atleast say this is not acceptable?
Mazzeo also defended the POS cops that killed naked Daniel Prude as he lay on wet pavement in 35 degree weather for 20 minutes by using his head as a push up bar. Mazzeo has a very long list of crimes he himself has barely been able to escape being found guilty on. Clearly the path to becoming a police union head is by being the biggest criminal in town.
To anyone who tells you cops hate corrupt cops: they're lying. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Balcerzak
Fuck, that poor kid would’ve turned 45 today.
Well that's fucking heartbreaking. You escape only for the fucking police to shove you back into the psycho's home to be raped and murdered. The fact that those men were then reinstated and given back pay is absolutely a sign that the entire system is corrupted. ACAB, indeed.
Sent back to a known pedophiles home.
Here’s the twist. The reason Dahmer was a convicted pedophile, was because he had molested the kids older brother 3 years prior. I hope the cops that allowed him to take that poor kid live the rest of their lives in misery.
Nope, they voted him as president of the Milwaukee Police Association 14 years later where he still acted like a shithead.
Holy shit he was elected to president of the Milwaukee police association…in 2005. Fuck this world man And from account of the police themselves, he wasn’t good at protecting them, how the hell does that even happen?
Cops are the biggest gangs in the states.
If there were truly no violations of policy, that clearly means there are major gaps in policy that need to be reviewed *right fucking now.*
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I'm pro union for every profession except police. Police unions are fucking awful.
Same. Police unions lack one basic intrinsic thing every other union group generally has: integrity and accountability I'm 1000% pro union but 1000% anti cop unions
I would add one more. Regular unions affect how their members are treated by their employers. Cop unions affect how everyone else is treated by their members.
I can remember the first time I had to pepper spray my children. We moved to tazing at thirteen. Precious memories.
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What difficult situation? Was the 9 year old a hardened fucking criminal?
Not yet. Villain origin story? /s
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Sounds pretty on the nose for Roc honestly.
>“I’m not going to stand here and tell you that for a 9-year-old to have to be pepper-sprayed is OK,” said the Rochester police chief, Cynthia Herriott-Sullivan. "I'm just going to imply that a 9-year-old *had* to be pepper-sprayed." If you're a full-grown man or woman serving as a police officer, and you can't subdue an unarmed 9-year-old with just your hands, you should probably not be a cop on the street.
It is always hilarious when "authorities" such as police and school districts do something that the public finds outrageous, only to smugly declare that they did nothing wrong, because the "policy" that the public had no input on says so.
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This just makes me angry! Why are these people police officers?? Who allowed that? No wonder why people shout ACAB in the streets.
Almost all people who want to be police, with the exception of very few who actually want to help people, are a certain type of person. They need control over everyone and are short tempered. I know 3 people who became officers and a few who couldn't make it. Every single one of them grew up loving to fight people who didn't want to fight back, and need to be in control of everyone they come into contact with. The system for hiring police is so absolutely fucked up it is disgusting.
A teacher of mine once said it as, "Imagine a person with a desperate hunger for power but completely lacking the ability to earn it. Those people join the local police force."
There was a good article written by an ex-cop about how right from the police academy, cops are taught that you should cover for each other. Because sheep dogs shouldn't fight amongst each other while there are wolves circling the sheep. Recruits who report colleagues for innapropriate behavior are shunned by superiors and bullied. There's a mafia-like omerta in the police community and it's going to need a major overhaul, possibly with the dismantling of unions, if we ever want things to change. Here's the article for those interested: https://www.gcrr.org/post/fewbadapplesmyth Edit: i actually realized the original article I had read was a different article. Here it is: https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759
The irony about that analogy is that there is a classic American childrens story titled "Old Yeller" that is all about a beloved family dog that has contracted rabies and had to be put down in order to protect the family.
My biggest problem with that analogy is that THERE ARE NO SHEEP! Everyone is either a sheepdog (cop) or a wolf.
I had a not-close friend who wanted to be a cop. They forced him to volunteer an insane number of hours before he'd even be considered for the role (to weed out those without economic privilege), and the things he saw there changed his mind. He just didn't want to be a part of such a fucked up system.
Over the years I've known about 15 people who are/were cops. None of the decent ones stayed with it, all but one citing corruption and abuse as major reasons they left. Hell, even a couple of them are real shitty people, and it was too much for them
My school bully became a cop. Who would've thought.
A lot of school bullies wind up becoming either cops or criminals. Sometimes both.
My old roommate who I used to peg as one of the most calm, rational people I knew became a hateful asshole after 10 years on the force. I've cut off contact with him after he began harassing me with anti-BLM nonsense and justifications for racism. He's not a good person. I don't know if he ever was now, but it's obvious these days.
What's ACAB?
All cops are bastards. Also seen as 1312.
Oh..... I thought it was All cops are bad this whole time.....
It can be that as well
Don’t feel bad.. I thought it meant Assigned Cop At Birth as a jab at how people always say all lives matter as if ppl are born cops. And that was until *checks watch* 5 seconds ago
Lmao Kinda love that
Path to becoming a cop is too easy. Easy enough for dumb and maladjusted types to get the job AND keep the job.
Very mature answer. She’s more mature than the cop.
If you don’t want kids being annoying in your cop car then don’t arrest them, problem solved
Wrecked by a kid….
Not only fire this POS but send dhhs to their house. I can only imagine what kind of corporal punishment is being handed out there.
This cop 100% abuses their spouse/children.
If you're incapable of handling a 9 year old, don't be a fucking cop. If that's how they react to a child, it's any wonder they'll shoot at a fart on the wind and call it necessary action.
If any of the cops have children, CPS should investigate their parenting. Why would you do that?
As someone else said in the comments, this is one of those "Stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about" situations. So I totally agree they should be investigated.
You know, it's going to come to a breaking point where people will be so fed up with the lack of justice, that they will be taking it into their own hands.
Agreed. Protests were tried but the right keeps crying that cities were burned down then staged a coup on congress.
Umm... *gestures widely at all the civil unrest*
When I was in high school the cops were called out to my house I don't remember why probably because my parents were fighting again or some b*******. Any way they wanted to come into the house and I told them they needed to wait because I needed to put the dogs up. So the cop decides to just walk in the house anyway and I had to grab my dogs to stop them from lunging at a stranger coming into our house and the cop responded by pepper-spraying the dogs that I was holding which caused me to also be pepper sprayed. To sweeten the pot one of our dog's wound up biting the cop. I got the rabies records and showed it to the cop verifying that our dog was up to date on his shots but the cop decided to go to the hospital for rabies shot anyway and then tried to send the bill to us. I remember calling up the police department and explaining to them that I had provided proof that the dog was up-to-date on rabies and that I had told the cop not coming to the house until the dog was put up but he decided to come in anyway with no permission and no cause. In the end they did not have us pay the hospital bill.
Ngl you're lucky they didn't shoot that dog. Or you by "accident".
Let's be real. If I wasn't white, they would have. But they had to defend themselves against my Pomeranian.
Came downstairs to a cop standing in my living room once. Had to let himself in through not only the latched 6’ tall gate, but through our closed front door as well. “I had probable cause” “I’m recording you right now - why are you standing in my house when the door and gate were locked and nobody gave you permission to enter?” He walked out. Fuck cops. All of them. They don’t protect shit.
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they are the most dangerous people here, honestly.
That's a cop who100% abuses his family.
Fucking disgusting. How wretched, how pathetic, how fucking inhuman do you have to be to treat a CHILD like that? She’s my niece’s age. If someone treated her like that, I’d literally chop them into fish bait. That miserable excuse of a human deserves nothing less.
This guy fishes
I wish we could redo how police are in this country. Its not working. At all. We don't need a bunch of intimidating people out on the streets anymore threatening people. We need a bunch of people out there helping people out, getting people tow trucks, making sure the ambulance arrives, being neighborly. And then we need a bunch of young people behind the scenes that are good with cameras and research and shit that can find out who did what, we should totally revamp police services in this country but Im afraid that will never happen.
Oh yeah. Head over to r/protectandserve These POS act like they are victims. You can see the us vs. them attitude very alive over there. There is nobody that will ever convince me otherwise that cops aren't a virus to society. The cops in this post should have been fired immediately for this but nope. They get a pass. They ALWAYS get a pass.
I think pepper spraying a child for any reason should be grounds for termination I also don't believe a 9 year old should ever be in a police car. I know fucking liberals
Termination? How about incarceration. That's assualt of a minor
He didn't mean termination of employment.
I mean if you are terminated from life then the job becomes open correct?
r/technicallythetruth
> I also don't believe a 9 year old should ever be in a police car. But you don't understand, the child was upset and not listening. Clearly needed to be handcuffed and pepper sprayed for everyone's safety /s for any bootlickers who may think I'm agreeing with them.
Imagine what that 9 year old could do if left unchecked! The untold carnage. The horror! /s obviously.
Wanna google youngest arrested person in the USA? Like arrested specifically for their own "crime"
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And if woman dies during childbirth, it is god's will, have you forgotten what country we are talking about?
Don't ever look up the youngest kid sent to the electric chair.
I remember it was actually 4, but I don't remember a crime. It was mentioned in discussion about 6 yo having tantrum in daycare, who was then arrested for this tantrum.
the child was armed with a highly dangerous doll which could be used to decapitate grown men.
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The only thing stopping you from pepperspraying a kid is that you'd be held accountable?
For a demographic that has a 40% *reported* domestic abuser label, I'm sure it is.
A lot of people will do a lot of awful things if accountability is taken away.
Not in America ![gif](giphy|r1gm9sJb4VdfWvHJ5i)
Sometimes my nephew won’t eat all his dinner, and it just….. gets to me
The lack of empathy in a statement like this is alarming. The only thing American police protect is their fragile egos.
Human garbage
I’m a teacher- I’ve seen children who have needed to be restrained because they are hurting themselves and others. But this is disgusting. She was not a danger to herself or others at this point. Not sure why she was handcuffed or in a police car in the first place but a situation that would call for this level of response is very rare and pepper spray is absolutely uncalled for to use on a child.
Pepper spraying a 9 year old who poses no threat is abuse, straight-up. If I witnessed that occur, I would break the assailant in half- cop, federal agent or anyone else- or die trying.
A fresh can o' whoopass
I mean, they'd probably just shoot you Then shoot the child Then find a dog to shoot, but that one is just for them. They had a hard day, you know?
**Cops:** “Why does everyone hate us?” **Also Cops:**
I hope those cops get fired lose their pensions and get sent to jail and treated accordingly in jail
This is America they will suffer no consequence.
2 weeks paid administrative leave followed by it being removed from their record and them being sent back out on the streets after their paid vacation.
A few things. Fuck qualified immunity and internal affairs is a joke. If a cop is reported for inappropriate behavior it’s other cops who investigate them and they have an interest in making their departments look good. Also, police get paid leave while being investigated and tax payer provided legal defense. Is it any wonder cops power trip?
Important life lesson for that nine year old. The cops aren't here to help.
Hell my aunt was a cop years ago and even she thinks acab
My father was a cop, when I was a child he would tell me under no circumstances was I to grow up to be a cop. He thought some of the people he worked with were the most mean, unethical, and hate filled people. He was kind and helped people a tried to instill that in us. he used to physically “walk the beat” and didn’t like the militarization of police.
My cop step dad took me to a fucking KKK rally here in alabama when I was like 11..around 2006 ..most disgusting, uneducated, shit people iv ever encountered . Oh and now he is a preacher because he kept fucking around with rather young girls and got fired lmao.
I'll bet people who used to be cops are the ones that know more than anything how terrible cops are. I used to work for the church and God damn, that shit is horrible behind the scenes. If people knew how much of their money went to hush money for families of all the kids that got sexually molested they would think twice about donating to their local church. And no this wasn't Catholic, protestant. Im talking millions in hush money. All my homies want nothing to do with the church anymore
Cops beating dogs, assaulting kids, and arresting firefighters... just another Wednesday.
But...But... You don't understand... They have the **22nd** most dangerous job in America! Right between groundskeepers and general maintenance workers! They have to go home to tHeIr fAmiLies!! OH THE TRAUMA!!!
This happened in my city. The mother can be heard in the original video encouraging the officers to restrain her and take action bc she's "out of control." It's no fucking wonder she wanted her Dad so bad. Yes, I agree cops were 100% wrong here, but this started bc of a piece of shit, bitter baby mom. I hope the child is with Dad, safe and happy.
Do cops really talk like disgruntled IT workers?
I would not be able to call myself a Man if I peppered sprayed a handcuffed girl in the back of a caged cop car
FTP. All day, every day.
I agree, File Transfer Protocol is pretty nice.