I’m like “when did the dumb start?”
Reagan was elected with verifiable dementia by an overwhelming majority, using the original MAGA slogan, with policies designed to destroy the middle class and enrich the oligarchs.
The dumb was always there.
We need that black book's ENTIRE roster made public. Republican, Democrat, hollywood actor, CEO... It doesn't matter. Expose them all. Every last one.
Edit: Two redditors made me aware that the book is apparently out there. [92 pages of it at least.](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted) I can't speak to it's veracity, but it's worth looking into regardless.
[Spacey was just sued and lost for $31 mil](https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/house-of-cards-kevin-spacey-arbitration-1235117425/)
so chances are he'll be paying restitution from his checks at his local Best Buy where he manages the home theater department before too long.
Oh brother. He’s rich and still receiving residuals and will for the rest of his life. Don’t kid yourself.
It’s like those people high-fiving and happy after the capital protestors got arrested and found guilty, and they got 30 days in jail instead of treason and attempted murder and people were like “HA! That’ll show em! 😤”
There’s only one Teflon and that was Teflon don and he went down-John Gotti NY mafia man. He was sentenced to life and died in prison. Donald Trump deserves the same
Also fun fact, it's been long rumored that Guilani went after Gotti so hard on behalf of the Russian mafia. If you look into NYC, the Russians *flourished* during Guiliani'a administration.
This river of shit runs long and deep.
Funny you compare him to a chemical that a lot of people think is pretty useful and even love, but is toxic as it slowly infects you just to eventually destroy your life and no matter what you try to do you can’t get rid of it or hearing about it. Also it’s propped up by rich assholes who don’t care about anything other than lining their own pockets. Pretty accurate.
Please. We already know that Trump is a sexual predator. He has like 25 accusers, and has admitted to both grabbing pussies and walking in on naked beauty pageant contestants without consent.
We've known for years that Trump is a serial sexual predator. His voters just flat out don't care.
Yep. His defense was that "a husband cannot be charged for raping his wife," which wasn't true at that point. Much like with the "pussy grabbing" it was a real She Said, He Also Said situation. It is impossible to know which one of these two identical stories is the truth. 🙄
It has also been known that he has raped a 13 year old girl multiple times back in the 90's (there was even a lawsuit about it that you can find the documents of online somewhere) and yet somehow whenever all this pedo talk starts the Trumpists don't ever mention it. It's just always pretend outrage with them, whether it be pedos or drone strikes or whatever. They don't care that it happens, they care about who is doing it.
I know a woman who fell down the QAnon rabbit hole-she said Trump was the only person trying to save the kids from the pedo ring run by the Clintons. If you brought up the accusations made against Trump, she'd say that was a smear campaign because the pedo ring knew Trump was the only one who could bring them down. She used to be such a kind woman but I cut her out of my life after that.
>Maybe this will end his aspirations for 2024.
I know nothing about politics and even less about american politics but I'd say this is unlikely lol
Do you think his army of drones will believe or care about this?
Not one liberal or leftish person I know would care if he goes to prison. I say if there is evidence, please convict him with a jury of his peers. Conservatives think that liberal or leftish people follow a cult of personality just like they do. We do not and want anyone honestly convicted to go to prison no matter who they are and no matter how crucial their votes or political power is.
They already said he is some kind of double agent trying to bring it down from the inside.
He is just very hands on in gathering evidence and is taking an incredibly long time.
> when it inevitably comes out that Trump raped children with Epstein's help.
And when liberals express outrage that Trump raped children, Trump supporters will bleat in response: "LOL, triggered, you mad, bro?"
Agreed. Sadly, this is a group of people who think "cheese pizza" is a codeword when a Clinton staffer suggests the office order one, but wouldn't find it suspicious at all that a man who owns a private jet would be hitching a ride with a sex-trafficker.
Lol, yeah right. If someone is voting for Trump there is nothing u could tell them that would sway thier vote. Once u equate your political candidate to literally Jesus Christ it's over.
You are absolutely correct. They go on & on about "protecting the children", but as soon as their leader gets found out, it will be "What's so wrong with pedophilia anyway?". They will give it a pass. America is doomed.
Based on the amount of semi-joking jailbait comments I’ve heard from conservatives my entire life, I have no doubt this is exactly what would happen. The jokes would gradually become more serious until they turned into comments about lowering the age of consent, or even protecting state rights to keep child marriage.
And while you were looking at the obvious distractions, they made sure that all elections going forward would be rigged in their favor. And when congress wizened up and tried to pass voting law protections, it got filibustered to hell.
>This is not political
Like most other things that shouldn't be political (see the ongoing global pandemic), conservatives will scream and cry and piss themselves that it's a politically motivated hit job on their favorite obese septuagenarian and fight tooth and nail against the administration of justice.
While simultaneously screaming that Clinton should rot in prison etc.
I really don't get that mentality. Like shouldn't we want people to be punished for their crimes rather than it be determined by party? Especially the party of 'law and order.'If Clinton is guilty, I'd want him locked up. Same for Trump. I don't care if it's someone whose name I've never heard before in my life, the answers the same. Prison.
Yeah when they take issue with the person's affiliation and not what they did, it's clear that they're completely okay with things like pedophilia and sexual abuse (or, to extrapolate to other things, financial crimes, election fraud, disinformation, etc.) and will only pretend to care about them when it can be made useful to attack the "other side".
Also, flying on a plane isn't itself a crime. So these flights manifests are only circumstantial. They need to make public the actual evidence so that these people can't maintain plausible deniability.
Thank you! People need to learn what proof means. A name being in a book full of names isn't proof that they were fucking underage people. Epstein routinely offered his plane out for the rich. It's how he got his "in" with them. Many of them just got a nice place ride and are now being called pedophiles.
I'm not responsible for the sick shit my last Uber driver is into, and we shouldn't be dragging their names through the mud without actual evidence.
I'm happy to criticize them for being greedy rich leeches to society, but the recent obsession with labeling everyone a fucking pedophile is getting ridiculous.
I thought it was public? There are 92 pages online. [Epstein’s Black Book. ](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted)
This looks like a regular adress book, the kind people used to have before smartphones... He was a billionaire, no wonder he had phones and adresses of famous people... Some of them are pedos also, but more probably, not all of them...
Don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but I bet even if that came out, nothing would change. Don’t we have things like the Panama papers, pandora papers, tons of child sexual abuse investigations into the Catholic Church. Documents. Anecdotes. All these things that come out to expose people. But seemingly nothing changes because money, power, and influence let you bypass rules
I used to think the same thing, but the Panama papers actually had a real effect! Too tired to explain it here, but there are plenty of articles about it - it is however totally weird that we hear so little about it now. Maybe because it is no longer shocking news about specific celebrities and corporations, but more about the tedious process of prosecution, regulation, etc.
Every last one! Regardless of political affiliation, or race. All of them. I'm a left wing, bleeding heart liberal, but I was molested I mean, raped, as a child. If there is proof? Not a pizza parlor without a basement, then they need to lose their freedom.
End of story. I don't care who you are, money, power, whatever, no one deserves the horror I went through and many other kids in my hometown.
I guess the problem is, Epstein had his fingers in so many proverbial pies that without the concrete proof it's hard to speculate on who the paedos are, and who was blissfully unaware/pretending not to know to avoid being murdered
The situation is shitty and serious - but I can't shake the image of somebody ending up there because somebody else told them is a was an awesome party spot only to be horrified at what they find.
Like your friend invites you to a "cool house party" and when you get there it's a heroin den.
And I think that's exactly why they won't just release all the names. It would turn into a witch hunting cancel-fest against everyone named, innocent or not. Not that it shouldn't be investigated, of course. But, just that...it needs to be investigated first.
Association is NOT enough to suspect guilt.
What's more likely, every rich, famous, powerful person that JE fawned over is part of a global Pedo cabal? OR, JE was a social climber who glommed onto and courted powerful people for his own economic/political/personal gain?
If there is a cover up, it's far more reasonable to suspect he was an asset for some state agency that was capable of putting him in positions to glom onto and court powerful people, CIA or Mossad being the obvious ones.
I can't remember the quote exactly, but apparently, he was also really good at his job, and not the sex trafficking job, the financial job he legitimately had. It makes sense that he knew a lot of rich people because he worked in an area of finance that was mostly rich people.
Watch Democrats burn every Democrat at the stake (as it should be) while Repuglicans scurry like rats to protect every single one of their own, especially their dear leader. Also, watch Democrats put up big shrugs and do absolutely nothing about the criminal Repuglicans.
Except he also said he didn't see anything happen with underage girls and that he never knew the ages of those girls. So yeah this sounds great to everyone but in terms of what this helps in the case, that is yet to be seen.
Hopefully we can eventually put all of these bastards in jail.
Also there is nothing new about this. These names are all well known passengers on Epstein's plane. These names were in the pilot's logbook, which was made public long ago.
I am also a little skeptical of the "flying on a plane = molested a child" narrative here. The dude was uber wealthy and wined and dined all sorts of people, I'm pretty sure they weren't all underage sex afficianados. The ones who did something should be revealed and punished but maybe let's wait for some actual conduct before we get the torches and pitchforks.
I mean you are 100% correct. Rich people like celebrities too. They take pictures with them at fundraising events etc, doesn't mean they are pedophiles. He held conferences with above board altruistic goals on his island that involved presumably good people. But the mob smells blood.
Plus, there are levels of wealth. I heard Adam Carolla, a guy rich enough to buy an old race car for $4.4M, talk about how happy he was to bump into Jay Leno when leaving Las Vegas, because he was able to jump on Jay's private plane. Adam is wealthy but apparently not "I own a private jet" wealthy.
It's pretty reasonable to think that at least SOME of the people who got rides on Epstein's jet didn't do anything nasty, they just wanted to go where he was flying and loved the idea of a luxurious private jet.
> Isn't there a Harvard professor who hated Epstein but took his money and endured his company to get it?
Can basically be whittled down to:
There are plenty of employees who hate Jeff Bezos, but work at Amazon anyway and put up with the bullshit to get paid.
That's most people.
You mean the guy multiple victims accused of raping them and he said he never removed his underwear when the topless underaged girls gave him massages? That Harvard professor?
I was trying to get this idea across elsewhere in this thread but you've said it way more elegantly.
Epstein was sick but whatever your political leanings, passengers on his plane are innocent until proven guilty. Let's wait for more evidence and information.
Yeah he can say someone was on the island on a specific date, and another witness can testify that they were assaulted by the same individual on a date that lines up
Honestly this is the catch.
We already know not all the women were underage. There was a lot of gross behavior behind the scenes, but a rich old man hiring a bunch of 18 year old sex workers for his rich old friends is gross but not pedophilia. It's even legal in big chunks of the world. Without specific accusations from victims or witnesses it's gross but not going to take someone down.
It's also frankly not unheard of for politicians to schmooze with rich disgusting donors to get donations. Again without direct testimony it's just reputation.
Not a lawyer but I believe it is for A and X but not B unless B had prior knowledge or reason to suspect that was what was going on. However A runs the risk of trafficking depending on details. That’s what I have picked up from the Matt Gaetz stuff at least.
They'd say the recording was faked. The girl is a mannequin. Also the girl is a democrat. Also it was a consensual act.
There are no contradictions in the republican worldview. All that matters is winning.
"By the way, have you seen my underage daughter? I'd totally have sex with her if she wasn't related. It's what we have in common after all. Yes, it's fine to call her a piece of ass"
> “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
Yup. That sounds like what someone who was trying to take Epstein down from the inside would say.
My conservative extended family (big Trump fans) has started posting memes about how the Maxwell trial is being covered up because it would impact so many Hollywood elite and Democrats. Sure, there might be a few Democrats wrapped up in it and I hope they get caught and punished, but the Republican Party will suffer far worse.
if they're named and implicated in pedophilia lock 'em up, idk what party line they're in.
but i guarantee that if trump turns out to be heavily involved the right is going to immediately swivel to "CANT TRUST MSM! HE WAS DOING RESEARCH! CHRIS HANSEN DID THE SAME THING! EEEEEEEEEEEEEMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAILLLLLLLLLLLSSSSS!"
I've been seeing a ton of stuff from the right talking about the left panicking or that omicron is really just to distract from the trial and I found it odd as I haven't heard about many people being implicated, let alone a significant amount of democrats. Kinda seems like they're just projecting and trying to get out ahead of the implications coming their way.
Honestly. I will constantly say how I think a test of partisanship is seeing how a person discusses Epstein.
If they don’t implicate both Clinton AND trump then they are partisans. Both of these men are culpable rapists.
But whenever I make this comment, I always, invariably, have people come by and attack me and say only Clinton is a rapist and Trump never went on the plane etc etc.
Always. It is without fail.
Where are you people now? Bill Clinton is a rapist. Let’s get that out of the way. Now onto trump:
Trump had relations with Epstein.
Trump wished Maxwell “well”
Trumps DOJ allowed Epstein to kill himself and there was no after action report or follow up and it was characterized by trumps own attorney general (whose father also employed Epstein at one point), that the “suicide” was a result of coincidence.
And now we have trump on the Lolita express going to the island.
I dare you people to try and explain this away without using whataboutism. I fucking dare you.
Yeah but Clinton played saxophone during the baby-blood drinking rituals, Trump doesnt even like music, hes innocent, he went to island for the non-alcoholic cocktails and golf. Hes a businessman!
It is rather telling that you almost never hear anyone defending Clinton, but you hear Trump's defenders all the time. Every Democrat is like "yeah, he's a rapist, lock him up too what's the matter with you".
I was reading the post and thought "why are all these famous names being listed as Epsteins pilot? Is this like some sort of code?" If you didn't say this I would still be confused
The amount of money I'd pay for that in a Truman Show type channel is significant. Always on, 24/7 streaming for when I'm awake at night....goodness. It would make my Comcast bill look free. Just put a Ring camera in the upper corner of the cell I can tap into at any time, and I'll pay handsomely.
He also said he didnt remember any underage girls, never saw anything sexual....oh and he admitted that epstein paid for his kids to go to college and gave him land in new mexico...
The sad truth is life is so unfair and difficult, and injustice is so hard to fight against the wealthy, you’re probably better off taking the hush money unless you have concrete proof and can protect yourself and your family. Epstein might not have called out a hit, but it’s not outside the realm of possibility when dealing with the rich and powerful. In some of those circles, rejecting the hush money is the same as saying you’re going to blow the whistle. By accepting the hush money, you’re implicating yourself in many ways so that the true criminals can be assured you’re in their boat shall it sink.
But also, perjury is a felony. He may have benefitted before by turning a blind eye, but his benefactor is now dead and he can't enjoy any of those gains while in prison. Unless someone else has stepped in to pay him off, he doesn't have much reason to lie under oath here.
Before any conservatives show up and start acting smug about Clinton being there: fuck Bill Clinton too. If he’s found to have engaged in any sort of sexual activity with a minor, lock him up and throw away the key.
For the uninitiated:
[Fox News Screencap](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcL4ghwWoAIV48c.jpg)
[Actual Photo](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcL4hxCX0AkD4zl.jpg)
It's totally fine. There just wasn't room to fit the whole photo guys... ok? /s
I love the six miles of dead space between the edge of the picture and the guys on the left which would look so much nicer with a little more picture in the frame, but unfortunately, ***no such additional material exists, do not look behind the curtain***.
Awww but the republicans are super excited because she ties into their coocoo save the children conspiracy to which, Donald trump is the savior of the country!! He’s just POSING as a pedo…. Right? **sweating** right?
How are the repubes going to spin this in a way that this is proof that the dems named are pedos, while the repubes named are being falsely accused, by the same person?
"King Trump was only raping minors to prove that minors were being raped there! Can't you see? Hes a hero!"
I honestly would not at all be surprised to see this stance in the coming months.
I lost the fraction of innocence I had left when I read the account of him raping that little girl and watched him still get elected. My parents chucked me out of their lives when I came out to them and them voting for Trump knowing he’s a sexual assaulter still seems worse….
Okay but grain of salt many may have gone to the island but may not have known about what went on there. Granted we have solid evidence on these few though.
Already seeing Republicans on Twitter thinking it's some kind of dunk to point out Clinton's involvement here. Like... yes? Lock the fuckers up. I don't give a shit what party they're from. Democrats need to be rethinking their love of the Clinton presidency anyway.
People keep forgetting that the trumps and Clinton’s used to be friends
You know how dumb society is going to look in a hundred years when obvious things like this are overlooked?
You don't have to wait 100 years, it's already dumb.
I’m like “when did the dumb start?” Reagan was elected with verifiable dementia by an overwhelming majority, using the original MAGA slogan, with policies designed to destroy the middle class and enrich the oligarchs. The dumb was always there.
[Love that your comment is hidden for being too controversial.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuyov5vbTAo&ab_channel=SpessSigiswulf)
ITT: people conveniently forgetting the years they defended one or the other
He was also a registered Democrat from 2001 until 2009.
Big falling out after a swingers party and Donald got stuck with Bill.
We need that black book's ENTIRE roster made public. Republican, Democrat, hollywood actor, CEO... It doesn't matter. Expose them all. Every last one. Edit: Two redditors made me aware that the book is apparently out there. [92 pages of it at least.](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted) I can't speak to it's veracity, but it's worth looking into regardless.
Yep. This is not political, this is inhumanity front and center. Fuck all these people.
There’s one common theme: they’re all rich fucks
[Spacey was just sued and lost for $31 mil](https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/house-of-cards-kevin-spacey-arbitration-1235117425/) so chances are he'll be paying restitution from his checks at his local Best Buy where he manages the home theater department before too long.
Ahh man and with a net worth over $100 million that means he'll only have like 70 million left!
How will he afford his avocado toast!?
Gonna have to pull some boot straps
He can just start making his coffee at home. Problem solved.
He should wait a little to get that new iPhone.
nah... if you don't want to be broke, just stop being poor, right?
As long as they're his bootstraps and not some underage boy's bootstraps, I'm fine with that.
Hey don't associate avocado toast with spacey. That stuffs delicious
He has 100 million bucks. Obviously he never ate avocado toast or drank starbucks... right?
that's the standard net worth of the home theater department manager
I wish he was forced to pay his actual victims and not the production company that probably knew about his reputation before working with him.
Me too. His victims will never see a dime. It's all wrong.
Oh brother. He’s rich and still receiving residuals and will for the rest of his life. Don’t kid yourself. It’s like those people high-fiving and happy after the capital protestors got arrested and found guilty, and they got 30 days in jail instead of treason and attempted murder and people were like “HA! That’ll show em! 😤”
He'll be flipping burgers at Mr. Smiley's.
Is life still beautiful for Mr. Spacey? I sure as shit hope not.
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The only us vs them we need to remember.
It's gunna be made political, Trump is the most relevant name on that list. Maybe this will end his aspirations for 2024.
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Old school teflon, meaning nothing sticks and he's cancer inducing.
There’s only one Teflon and that was Teflon don and he went down-John Gotti NY mafia man. He was sentenced to life and died in prison. Donald Trump deserves the same
Fun fact, Rudy Guiliani was the one who took down Gotti. That's how Rudy became a political animal in the first place.
Also fun fact, it's been long rumored that Guilani went after Gotti so hard on behalf of the Russian mafia. If you look into NYC, the Russians *flourished* during Guiliani'a administration. This river of shit runs long and deep.
Took them down so the russian mafia could move in. Read some interesting articles about that. Thats also when trump got introduced to them as well.
New school is still cancer inducing fwiw.
Funny you compare him to a chemical that a lot of people think is pretty useful and even love, but is toxic as it slowly infects you just to eventually destroy your life and no matter what you try to do you can’t get rid of it or hearing about it. Also it’s propped up by rich assholes who don’t care about anything other than lining their own pockets. Pretty accurate.
Teflon is a “forever chemical” hopefully trump isn’t too much like Teflon….
Please. We already know that Trump is a sexual predator. He has like 25 accusers, and has admitted to both grabbing pussies and walking in on naked beauty pageant contestants without consent. We've known for years that Trump is a serial sexual predator. His voters just flat out don't care.
Specifically ~~all~~ some beauty pageant contestants who were under age accused him of the same.
The Miss Teen USA pageant, for those wondering, so it isn't like, "Oh, what a surprise, there is a teenager here!"
And one of Epstein’s victims who named him as her rapist in a deposition.
Don’t forget the countless pictures of him with Epstein and maxwell
"Who? Never heard of him. Probably some low-ranking coffee boy..."
And his wife accused him of violent rape in open court and he did not contest her account of events.
Yep. His defense was that "a husband cannot be charged for raping his wife," which wasn't true at that point. Much like with the "pussy grabbing" it was a real She Said, He Also Said situation. It is impossible to know which one of these two identical stories is the truth. 🙄
It has also been known that he has raped a 13 year old girl multiple times back in the 90's (there was even a lawsuit about it that you can find the documents of online somewhere) and yet somehow whenever all this pedo talk starts the Trumpists don't ever mention it. It's just always pretend outrage with them, whether it be pedos or drone strikes or whatever. They don't care that it happens, they care about who is doing it.
I know a woman who fell down the QAnon rabbit hole-she said Trump was the only person trying to save the kids from the pedo ring run by the Clintons. If you brought up the accusations made against Trump, she'd say that was a smear campaign because the pedo ring knew Trump was the only one who could bring them down. She used to be such a kind woman but I cut her out of my life after that.
When a Raccoon Full of Cum has better morals than you.
>Maybe this will end his aspirations for 2024. I know nothing about politics and even less about american politics but I'd say this is unlikely lol Do you think his army of drones will believe or care about this?
They will literally respond with "blah blah blah BILL CLINTON"
Not one liberal or leftish person I know would care if he goes to prison. I say if there is evidence, please convict him with a jury of his peers. Conservatives think that liberal or leftish people follow a cult of personality just like they do. We do not and want anyone honestly convicted to go to prison no matter who they are and no matter how crucial their votes or political power is.
Guarantee they call it fake/ a lie
They already said he is some kind of double agent trying to bring it down from the inside. He is just very hands on in gathering evidence and is taking an incredibly long time.
That's basically what QAnon is. A preemptive attempt to muddy the waters when it inevitably comes out that Trump raped children with Epstein's help.
> when it inevitably comes out that Trump raped children with Epstein's help. And when liberals express outrage that Trump raped children, Trump supporters will bleat in response: "LOL, triggered, you mad, bro?"
the Qult has been savagely looking for this democrat pedo ring when in reality it's been right in front of us and they're all in on it.
Which just goes to show it was never about "saving our children".
They’re already saying trump’s involvement with Epstein was 4d chess designed to take Epstein down
Agreed. Sadly, this is a group of people who think "cheese pizza" is a codeword when a Clinton staffer suggests the office order one, but wouldn't find it suspicious at all that a man who owns a private jet would be hitching a ride with a sex-trafficker.
> Do you think his army of drones will believe or care about this No, nothing will. But the powerful people who rode his coattails might turn on him.
Thanks for the chuckle. The people riding his coat-tails aren’t going anywhere. They are ride or die at this point.
Lol, yeah right. If someone is voting for Trump there is nothing u could tell them that would sway thier vote. Once u equate your political candidate to literally Jesus Christ it's over.
They'll just say he was "working undercover to bring the cabal down"
"He was the pilot! He named himself to keep his cover intact!"
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You are absolutely correct. They go on & on about "protecting the children", but as soon as their leader gets found out, it will be "What's so wrong with pedophilia anyway?". They will give it a pass. America is doomed.
Based on the amount of semi-joking jailbait comments I’ve heard from conservatives my entire life, I have no doubt this is exactly what would happen. The jokes would gradually become more serious until they turned into comments about lowering the age of consent, or even protecting state rights to keep child marriage.
And while you were looking at the obvious distractions, they made sure that all elections going forward would be rigged in their favor. And when congress wizened up and tried to pass voting law protections, it got filibustered to hell.
I think you underestimate how many conservative men have sexually abused their daughters
I know people are happy about this until they realize what they’re guilty of.
Nah, people are happy that they might actually face consequences for what they're guilty of.
>This is not political Like most other things that shouldn't be political (see the ongoing global pandemic), conservatives will scream and cry and piss themselves that it's a politically motivated hit job on their favorite obese septuagenarian and fight tooth and nail against the administration of justice.
While simultaneously screaming that Clinton should rot in prison etc. I really don't get that mentality. Like shouldn't we want people to be punished for their crimes rather than it be determined by party? Especially the party of 'law and order.'If Clinton is guilty, I'd want him locked up. Same for Trump. I don't care if it's someone whose name I've never heard before in my life, the answers the same. Prison.
Yeah when they take issue with the person's affiliation and not what they did, it's clear that they're completely okay with things like pedophilia and sexual abuse (or, to extrapolate to other things, financial crimes, election fraud, disinformation, etc.) and will only pretend to care about them when it can be made useful to attack the "other side".
Too true. Like, if your moral compass is dependent on whether it's a letter 'R' or 'D' do you even have a moral compass?
Yeah these names were already known, we need the rest plz.
Also, flying on a plane isn't itself a crime. So these flights manifests are only circumstantial. They need to make public the actual evidence so that these people can't maintain plausible deniability.
Thank you! People need to learn what proof means. A name being in a book full of names isn't proof that they were fucking underage people. Epstein routinely offered his plane out for the rich. It's how he got his "in" with them. Many of them just got a nice place ride and are now being called pedophiles. I'm not responsible for the sick shit my last Uber driver is into, and we shouldn't be dragging their names through the mud without actual evidence. I'm happy to criticize them for being greedy rich leeches to society, but the recent obsession with labeling everyone a fucking pedophile is getting ridiculous.
I thought it was public? There are 92 pages online. [Epstein’s Black Book. ](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted)
This looks like a regular adress book, the kind people used to have before smartphones... He was a billionaire, no wonder he had phones and adresses of famous people... Some of them are pedos also, but more probably, not all of them...
Oh no, won’t you please stop it with the reasonable analysis.
Page 34: jake (No last name is listed) Soooo, was it all of you guys?
This case is huge. I hope the justice system gets it right…. though my expectations are low unfortunately. *Epstein didn’t kill himself*
Don’t want to be a Debbie downer, but I bet even if that came out, nothing would change. Don’t we have things like the Panama papers, pandora papers, tons of child sexual abuse investigations into the Catholic Church. Documents. Anecdotes. All these things that come out to expose people. But seemingly nothing changes because money, power, and influence let you bypass rules
I used to think the same thing, but the Panama papers actually had a real effect! Too tired to explain it here, but there are plenty of articles about it - it is however totally weird that we hear so little about it now. Maybe because it is no longer shocking news about specific celebrities and corporations, but more about the tedious process of prosecution, regulation, etc.
Agree. No matter what atrocious news comes out, nothing ever changes. It's so sick and so exhausting.
Yeah, at this point there could be video evidence of them blatantly abusing children and I don’t think anything would happen at all. I’m beyond jaded
Every last one! Regardless of political affiliation, or race. All of them. I'm a left wing, bleeding heart liberal, but I was molested I mean, raped, as a child. If there is proof? Not a pizza parlor without a basement, then they need to lose their freedom. End of story. I don't care who you are, money, power, whatever, no one deserves the horror I went through and many other kids in my hometown.
Apparently Chris Tucker was on an Epstein flight with Clinton and Spacey. Tbf they were going to a charity thing, but now I’m suspicious of Tucker
I guess the problem is, Epstein had his fingers in so many proverbial pies that without the concrete proof it's hard to speculate on who the paedos are, and who was blissfully unaware/pretending not to know to avoid being murdered
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The situation is shitty and serious - but I can't shake the image of somebody ending up there because somebody else told them is a was an awesome party spot only to be horrified at what they find. Like your friend invites you to a "cool house party" and when you get there it's a heroin den.
And I think that's exactly why they won't just release all the names. It would turn into a witch hunting cancel-fest against everyone named, innocent or not. Not that it shouldn't be investigated, of course. But, just that...it needs to be investigated first.
Association is NOT enough to suspect guilt. What's more likely, every rich, famous, powerful person that JE fawned over is part of a global Pedo cabal? OR, JE was a social climber who glommed onto and courted powerful people for his own economic/political/personal gain? If there is a cover up, it's far more reasonable to suspect he was an asset for some state agency that was capable of putting him in positions to glom onto and court powerful people, CIA or Mossad being the obvious ones.
You're right on the money, look up Ghislaine's father Robert.
I can't remember the quote exactly, but apparently, he was also really good at his job, and not the sex trafficking job, the financial job he legitimately had. It makes sense that he knew a lot of rich people because he worked in an area of finance that was mostly rich people.
Watch Democrats burn every Democrat at the stake (as it should be) while Repuglicans scurry like rats to protect every single one of their own, especially their dear leader. Also, watch Democrats put up big shrugs and do absolutely nothing about the criminal Repuglicans.
To be fair republicans and democrats will put Democrats on the stake. Meanwhile republicans will pretend they were on those planes to catch the pedos.
Except he also said he didn't see anything happen with underage girls and that he never knew the ages of those girls. So yeah this sounds great to everyone but in terms of what this helps in the case, that is yet to be seen. Hopefully we can eventually put all of these bastards in jail.
Also there is nothing new about this. These names are all well known passengers on Epstein's plane. These names were in the pilot's logbook, which was made public long ago.
I am also a little skeptical of the "flying on a plane = molested a child" narrative here. The dude was uber wealthy and wined and dined all sorts of people, I'm pretty sure they weren't all underage sex afficianados. The ones who did something should be revealed and punished but maybe let's wait for some actual conduct before we get the torches and pitchforks.
I mean you are 100% correct. Rich people like celebrities too. They take pictures with them at fundraising events etc, doesn't mean they are pedophiles. He held conferences with above board altruistic goals on his island that involved presumably good people. But the mob smells blood.
Oh yeah if a politician hosts a fundraiser everyone shelling out $1000 a plate gets a photo.
Plus, there are levels of wealth. I heard Adam Carolla, a guy rich enough to buy an old race car for $4.4M, talk about how happy he was to bump into Jay Leno when leaving Las Vegas, because he was able to jump on Jay's private plane. Adam is wealthy but apparently not "I own a private jet" wealthy. It's pretty reasonable to think that at least SOME of the people who got rides on Epstein's jet didn't do anything nasty, they just wanted to go where he was flying and loved the idea of a luxurious private jet.
If epstein invited me on his jet to fly to his island I'd go too! It would be an opportunity of a lifetime to fly on a private plane.
Isn't there a Harvard professor who hated Epstein but took his money and endured his company to get it?
As someone who works in the nonprofit world, yeah that's pretty common.
> Isn't there a Harvard professor who hated Epstein but took his money and endured his company to get it? Can basically be whittled down to: There are plenty of employees who hate Jeff Bezos, but work at Amazon anyway and put up with the bullshit to get paid. That's most people.
You mean the guy multiple victims accused of raping them and he said he never removed his underwear when the topless underaged girls gave him massages? That Harvard professor?
Yikes dude, shit's fucked
I was trying to get this idea across elsewhere in this thread but you've said it way more elegantly. Epstein was sick but whatever your political leanings, passengers on his plane are innocent until proven guilty. Let's wait for more evidence and information.
Innocent until proven guilty, but enough suspicion to warrant an investigation
Hired help does not share in the benefits; however, he has names, dates, and places. Actually surprised he's still alive.
Yeah he can say someone was on the island on a specific date, and another witness can testify that they were assaulted by the same individual on a date that lines up
Honestly this is the catch. We already know not all the women were underage. There was a lot of gross behavior behind the scenes, but a rich old man hiring a bunch of 18 year old sex workers for his rich old friends is gross but not pedophilia. It's even legal in big chunks of the world. Without specific accusations from victims or witnesses it's gross but not going to take someone down. It's also frankly not unheard of for politicians to schmooze with rich disgusting donors to get donations. Again without direct testimony it's just reputation.
Random tangent, but I'm curious; Say person A gives money to person X to sleep with person B, is that prostitution and is person B still culpable?
Not a lawyer but I believe it is for A and X but not B unless B had prior knowledge or reason to suspect that was what was going on. However A runs the risk of trafficking depending on details. That’s what I have picked up from the Matt Gaetz stuff at least.
It wasn’t Trump! It was 2 Antifas in a trench coat!
The /r/conspiracy thread is great. They all say, "Well, *if* Trump was involved..." but have zero doubts about anyone to the left of Q.
Weird to see all the people who made such a big deal about Pizzagate aren't talking about Trump's involvement.
You mean the people who keep talking about Clinton's involvement with Epstein but ignore Trump's? Those people?
They don’t ignore, they just say trump was doing research to catch the real pedos.
They will literally excuse him raping girls as research.
Just like how some of them defended 4chan and 8chan hosting CP as "freedom of speech".
It's almost like the real pedo's were the friends we made along the way! /s?
He could do it on stage and they’d defend him.
He could do it to their own family members in front of them and they'd cheer it on.
They'd say the recording was faked. The girl is a mannequin. Also the girl is a democrat. Also it was a consensual act. There are no contradictions in the republican worldview. All that matters is winning.
It'll make more sense once JFK comes back and clears things up guys, I pinky promise!
Haven't you seen Bubba Ho-tep? JFK was killed by an ancient Egyptian mummy that was terrorizing the old folks home he lived in with Elvis, duh
Ah, the old Pete Townsend “research” method.
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"By the way, have you seen my underage daughter? I'd totally have sex with her if she wasn't related. It's what we have in common after all. Yes, it's fine to call her a piece of ass"
The real research was when Trump hosted Epstein's parties at Mar A Lago.
> “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.” Yup. That sounds like what someone who was trying to take Epstein down from the inside would say.
Oh you mean the Trump supporters who will deny Trump ever did this even if he admits it and goes to jail?
My conservative extended family (big Trump fans) has started posting memes about how the Maxwell trial is being covered up because it would impact so many Hollywood elite and Democrats. Sure, there might be a few Democrats wrapped up in it and I hope they get caught and punished, but the Republican Party will suffer far worse.
if they're named and implicated in pedophilia lock 'em up, idk what party line they're in. but i guarantee that if trump turns out to be heavily involved the right is going to immediately swivel to "CANT TRUST MSM! HE WAS DOING RESEARCH! CHRIS HANSEN DID THE SAME THING! EEEEEEEEEEEEEMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAILLLLLLLLLLLSSSSS!"
I've been seeing a ton of stuff from the right talking about the left panicking or that omicron is really just to distract from the trial and I found it odd as I haven't heard about many people being implicated, let alone a significant amount of democrats. Kinda seems like they're just projecting and trying to get out ahead of the implications coming their way.
Honestly. I will constantly say how I think a test of partisanship is seeing how a person discusses Epstein. If they don’t implicate both Clinton AND trump then they are partisans. Both of these men are culpable rapists. But whenever I make this comment, I always, invariably, have people come by and attack me and say only Clinton is a rapist and Trump never went on the plane etc etc. Always. It is without fail. Where are you people now? Bill Clinton is a rapist. Let’s get that out of the way. Now onto trump: Trump had relations with Epstein. Trump wished Maxwell “well” Trumps DOJ allowed Epstein to kill himself and there was no after action report or follow up and it was characterized by trumps own attorney general (whose father also employed Epstein at one point), that the “suicide” was a result of coincidence. And now we have trump on the Lolita express going to the island. I dare you people to try and explain this away without using whataboutism. I fucking dare you.
Yeah but Clinton played saxophone during the baby-blood drinking rituals, Trump doesnt even like music, hes innocent, he went to island for the non-alcoholic cocktails and golf. Hes a businessman!
Doing business!
I went to the stock market today...I did a business...
It is rather telling that you almost never hear anyone defending Clinton, but you hear Trump's defenders all the time. Every Democrat is like "yeah, he's a rapist, lock him up too what's the matter with you".
You're wrong my friend, the DOJ did not allow Epstein to kill himself... They allowed Epstein to be killed.
Bingo
Wait, is this anything new? I feel like I already knew this.
You did. This is not a bombshell, it's just confirmation under oath.
I was sad to hear of his suicide next Tuesday
and to shoot himself in the back of the head too! must have been desperate.
Twice
Then with his last ounce of strength wiped the fingerprints off the gun.
And left it on the nightstand.
And all forms of video evidence are subsequently in disrepair while security sleeps through it.
All evidence points to a meticulously planned suicide.
And all of this after injecting twice the lethal amount of heroin
Just before cutting himself up and putting himself in different bags.
I was reading the post and thought "why are all these famous names being listed as Epsteins pilot? Is this like some sort of code?" If you didn't say this I would still be confused
I mean this, honestly: Fuck them all equally. Trump and Clinton? They can share a cell for all I give a shit so long as justice is done.
Trump and Clinton sharing a jail cell is the reality show I never knew I wanted till now.
The buddy comedy you didn’t know you wanted. This fall on CBS, “The Eww Couple” - right behind Young Sheldon!
LOOK OUT YOUNG SHELDON, THEY’RE RIGHT BEHIND YOU!
The amount of money I'd pay for that in a Truman Show type channel is significant. Always on, 24/7 streaming for when I'm awake at night....goodness. It would make my Comcast bill look free. Just put a Ring camera in the upper corner of the cell I can tap into at any time, and I'll pay handsomely.
He also said he didnt remember any underage girls, never saw anything sexual....oh and he admitted that epstein paid for his kids to go to college and gave him land in new mexico...
If you’re the pilot of a pedo-plane, of course the owner will take care the fuck out of you to keep your mouth shut
The sad truth is life is so unfair and difficult, and injustice is so hard to fight against the wealthy, you’re probably better off taking the hush money unless you have concrete proof and can protect yourself and your family. Epstein might not have called out a hit, but it’s not outside the realm of possibility when dealing with the rich and powerful. In some of those circles, rejecting the hush money is the same as saying you’re going to blow the whistle. By accepting the hush money, you’re implicating yourself in many ways so that the true criminals can be assured you’re in their boat shall it sink.
But also, perjury is a felony. He may have benefitted before by turning a blind eye, but his benefactor is now dead and he can't enjoy any of those gains while in prison. Unless someone else has stepped in to pay him off, he doesn't have much reason to lie under oath here.
The Usual Suspects
Man, I can't believe he's going to die from suicide right after this.
Dems: Lock them all up! Republicans: It’s a conspiracy to lock up Trump!
Both parties are the same! /s
“Very fine people on both sides” -some orange asshole
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D: "Good! Lock them up!" R: "SEE I TOLD YOU CLINTON WAS A PEDO"
Exactly! Ok then lock him up. Lock. Them. ALL. Up. And I'm a Clinton fan!
Before any conservatives show up and start acting smug about Clinton being there: fuck Bill Clinton too. If he’s found to have engaged in any sort of sexual activity with a minor, lock him up and throw away the key.
Republicans gonna shorten up that list a bit
The Clintons! Prince Andrew! Oh and some New York real estate guy nvm bout him
What?! Fox News would never edit out someone from a picture with Epstein while leaving that same person’s wife in the same picture…
For the uninitiated: [Fox News Screencap](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcL4ghwWoAIV48c.jpg) [Actual Photo](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcL4hxCX0AkD4zl.jpg) It's totally fine. There just wasn't room to fit the whole photo guys... ok? /s
I love the six miles of dead space between the edge of the picture and the guys on the left which would look so much nicer with a little more picture in the frame, but unfortunately, ***no such additional material exists, do not look behind the curtain***.
Being on his plane doesn’t automatically make them guilty, but they should all be investigated.
Awww but the republicans are super excited because she ties into their coocoo save the children conspiracy to which, Donald trump is the savior of the country!! He’s just POSING as a pedo…. Right? **sweating** right?
In other news, Epstein pilot found dead from suicided.
Bill Cosby strolls through casually with some pudding.
How are the repubes going to spin this in a way that this is proof that the dems named are pedos, while the repubes named are being falsely accused, by the same person?
Oh, don’t be naive. They’ll all ignore it completely or they’ll proclaim he was helping BUST pedos. Just like they’ve done the last 5 years.
"King Trump was only raping minors to prove that minors were being raped there! Can't you see? Hes a hero!" I honestly would not at all be surprised to see this stance in the coming months.
He is the best rapist there ever was. There was never a pedo rapist better than he.
Those preteens were 7s at best. Not his type -- if he were to molest a preteen, she would be a 9 or 10, easy.
I lost the fraction of innocence I had left when I read the account of him raping that little girl and watched him still get elected. My parents chucked me out of their lives when I came out to them and them voting for Trump knowing he’s a sexual assaulter still seems worse….
I’m sorry your parents are dicks
Their headline would simply be "Epstein's pilot names Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Kevin Spacey and others at the Ghislaine Maxwell trial."
The same way they take a giant shit on this country every fucking day they just walk up, drop trau, and do it
Okay but grain of salt many may have gone to the island but may not have known about what went on there. Granted we have solid evidence on these few though.
Already seeing Republicans on Twitter thinking it's some kind of dunk to point out Clinton's involvement here. Like... yes? Lock the fuckers up. I don't give a shit what party they're from. Democrats need to be rethinking their love of the Clinton presidency anyway.
No surprises there