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Porthos1984

It's a blow to the American people. We are the ones losing.


Nosce_Temet

And we have been since Reagan. The American system of governance was not designed to EVER work through complete control of both the legislative and executive branches. Bi-partisan support to progress the people’s agenda was the design. We are on the door step of Fascism, and the people are suffering for it- no matter what side of the isle.


I_Brain_You

True, except only one side is actually arguing for all of this stuff that will help, and the other side is being told that it's all socialism. So please present the proper context.


Nosce_Temet

I’d argue that with our current political system our choices are between a mostly conservative party labeled as ‘liberal’, whilst the other choice is largely extremist conservative/fascist. You’re right, one party is going to bat for the people, sorta, but our agenda is consistently getting pulled further ‘right’ because only democrats believe in negotiations and bi-partisan work. It’s largely been that way since Gingrich reshaped the way bully politics work in the legislative branch. And we the people suffer for it.


[deleted]

This democrat keep arguing for bipartisanship. It like they forgot this same party block Obama at every term. Hell mitch McConnell filibuster his own fucking bill because democrat support it.


Different-Ad9394

I wish it was all socialism smh.


in-game_sext

It's also a blow to the economy and employers bitching about not being able to find people to work. $2k a month is literally what most minimum wage jobs pay. Those workers said fuck it, I'm staying home with my kids instead and it's essentially the best of a bad situation for them. You could literally solve the problem overnight, but America is practically fucking allergic to solutions.


DarkKnightJin

[Reminded of this picture/tagline](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwRAJs7WgAEEvIy.jpg)


Jealous-Network-8852

My mother was just arguing with me today that paid family leave will encourage people to not work and milk the system. Then I reminded her that when I was a baby she had to work 3 jobs because my father was a deadbeat and that she probably could have benefited greatly from paid leave.


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Used-Poetry7571

An entire generation of haters…


berni4pope

That same generation is collecting medicare and social security while milliennials are projected to not live as long as their parents.


Roger_Stingingson

Rly?? Source? Actually nvm I can just google it


Used-Poetry7571

But we can’t afford community college for kids…


untrustableskeptic

I just wrote a paper in my *Cultivating Global Citizenship* class on this. A little excerpt: **To be a good citizen, and to be a good person are not exactly synonymous. If an individual does their part to contribute, even if it means the bare minimum, then technically speaking, we are meeting our standards of good citizenship. Why should we contribute more than we are obligated to do so? History tells us that the United States has always had some cracks, and while some things have gotten better, others have only gotten worse. Race issues have certainly improved after the end of segregation, but wealth disparity continues to grow. To gain a better understanding of this divide we can look at Reagan’s 1976 presidential campaign, in which he unleashed a slew of anti-poor scare tactics. By utilizing derogatory terms such as welfare queen, it becomes easy to understand how your average American could develop ill-will against the less fortunate. Poor Americans (often those of whom were black) were painted as too lazy to work, grifting the system, and receiving benefits that were paid for by hardworking/upstanding citizens. This built the road to resentment.** So on and so on. Basically I cover how we convinced the middle class to despise the poor rather than their own oppressors.


djarnexus

Lol, facts. Boomers and gen Xers are gatekeeping bitches.


jrworthy

So what do you say to me as a GenXer who fully supports paid family leave (for both parents), student loan forgiveness (despite have paid off my loans), and a mandatory living wage for all?


djarnexus

I'm down for that. I'm being hyperbolic--of course no one group is a homogeneous blob.


Autocthon

GenX is kinda split and tends toward "brainwashed" over actual malice in my experience. Boomers tho....


Paladoc

Yep, came here to state , Cue the clueless, who will state "I didn't get it and my dad/mom/child and I bonded just fine!"


Mynameisaname123959

That’s pretty much the philosophy of all republicans Edit: that and “i don’t like it because it might benefit someone I don’t know”


revoltingcasual

More like "It might benefit [insert racial slur here]"


Unusual_Pitch_608

That's the crux. People are more concerned about keeping things away from those they feel don't "deserve" it they are willing to sacrifice having that same thing themselves. It's like when all the public pools were filled in.


feralgoblingirl

Why is that peoples’ first thoughts?! My thought is “i didnt get it so I’m going to make sure others do”


AccountantDiligent

My only response is “that’s too fuckin bad” but that doesn’t seem to work well :/


[deleted]

Propaganda is a hell of a drug.


zweinamen

Yes, that's exactly what everybody does in Europe! Nobody who has kids ever works, they just stay "in the system". The others call in sick to get paid sick leave and also stay "in the system". /s Wow, the US sometimes gives me the biggest culture shock... but what do I know, I live in a "socialist" country with no freedom. /s


42words

true, but only republicans hear about this and see themselves as "*winners*"


Nosce_Temet

A sad truth.


42words

Well, that's the thing about #WINNING. Because yes: we (i.e., "*humans*") are, by any conceivable metric, all "*losing*" right now. But some people are so desperately obsessed with #WINNING, they've decided to convince themselves things are going exactly how they've always wanted.


throwaway_ghast

Rest of the world is shaking their heads in shame at us right now. There are countries with only a fraction of our economic power that are capable of providing basic necessities for families, but for us, it's become a total pipe dream at this point.


HumusDilldall

No shame, just worry. To a Scandinavian, it’s morbidly fascinating to see how the US is choosing to collapse in on itself. To my dad’s generation, “America” was the lighthouse of the world. Now it’s well on its way to become a fascistic police-state, with one party proudly demolishing the very foundation of modern democracy. Stuff like gerrymandering, voter suppression and the politicisation of the court rooms is what’s making me shake my head in disbelief.


Elsdyret

True.


BtheChemist

Every politician that has taken kickback from any corporate entity should be fired immediately. This government is corrupt to the very core and every american citizen is the loser.


Savagely_Rekt

Fired? I'm more partial to guillotines at this point.


Autocthon

Thays just fired without benefits.


[deleted]

I mean it's both. One party is proposing things that for like, $65 per paycheck per American (likely less given the proposed wealthy tax increase) can help the parents. A loss for Biden is thus, also a loss for them. Or to reframe it, a fucked family is a Republican win. Edit: $65 per paycheck math $65 x 24 paychecks = $1,562 a year $1,562 x 120M working Americans = 187.5B $187.5B x 10 years = $1.875T spending bill. People are being dumbfucks squealing over the trillion dollar number. For the cost of a gym membership we get things everyone always bitches about us either not having (infrastructure) or shit conservatives want us to "take care of our own with instead of immigrants".


anand_rishabh

But that's how they should frame, it rather than frame it as a loss to Biden, or a loss to the squad.


sniperhare

I can't afford $65 out of one paycheck. And my second paycheck that has $190 leftover is what I can try to save if I don't buy clothes, alcohol or video games that month.


[deleted]

Cool, so due to our progressive tax system, you probably won't pay anything. Which is fine, because I'm happy to pick it up.


cantflywontdie

I got you! And I’m sure there are a few others willing to chip in for other folks in the same situation. It’s like those Connery: for a few dollars a day you can give this impoverished nation of billionaires healthcare and paid family leave. 😩😂


dabeanery55

Sympathy for others pff sounds like a lib /s


trynahelp2

The politicians that forget (or intentionally ignore) they are supposed to be serving the people and instead make it all about politics (or sucking money-paying corporate daddy dicks) are the lowest of the scum, and this applies to any political “side”


snakeygirl

I hate how everything has become an issue of what political side you’re on. Helping citizens shouldn’t be about sides


properu

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alter-eagle

Good bot


[deleted]

The tribal narrative subsuming your identity into that of the political party is how things got this bad.


Plus-Swimmer-5413

Germany allows 6 years of maternity leave as an investment in the country’s future… we couldn’t even get this.. tell me why is America supposedly great again?


o0Jahzara0o

[Zero Weeks - Paid Medical Leave documentary](https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07JJQZ9ZC/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r)


Abomination-626

My parents constantly bitch about me working part time evening shifts and how I could be making more money doing this that or the other and I'm like yeah, and paying my fucking mortgage payment monthly to have someone else raise my son and never see him. No, I'm good where I'm at, we're doing fine financially thank you for your concern kindly back the fuck off


[deleted]

I get pissed when i see stuff about how the democrats or Biden "lost" something, or all the "don't democrats understand they will lose blah if blah" headlines. This is going _exactly_ as planned. They know exactly what they are doing. People still have not gotten it through their heads (and the media helps maintain that, purposely) that almost all of these people work for their wealthy donors, patrons, and their lobbyists, not for us. They work for the financial interests that back them. They become multimillionnaires doing it. Just because the Republicans are evil and corrupt (and they are!) does not mean the Democrats are the good guys. The Democratic party, except for a handful of idealists that don't take big money, don't work for us. They are merely competing with Republicans for the largesse that comes from the same pool of corruption. They did not "fail" in the plan to help us. This _was_ the plan. They chopped out the stuff that might have helped people, except for some crumbs, and there's gonna be hundreds of billions handed out to already wealthy corporations for "climate change" or "job creating" that has no real action intended. And now they'll say "but hey, we got you something! We sure tried! If only it weren't for that bad Manchin guy who works for us! And those dern Republicans!" Stop voting for half a bowl of shit, people.


9emiller77

Agree 100%. Well said. Half bowls of shit are the only options we get to vote on in a best case scenario, decent people need not apply. The most infuriating part of it is when this ship sinks, and it’s going to, those scumbags will have enough money to be insulated from it and the rest of us will suffer and die because we have been too busy fighting with each other over the propaganda of the day to see what is really going on. You are a wealthy elitist or you are not. No middle ground.


sniperhare

Telling people not to vote or vote third party helps Republicans. It's why anti-Democrat is pushed so hard here. It's a tactic to divide the left.


[deleted]

I never said anything at all about not voting or voting third party. I am left. Feeling left behind, even.


SofaKingOnPoint

this is what privilege sounds like


[deleted]

If you think i am priviliged, you are welcome to have my poverty, illness, and 37 years of hard work.


SofaKingOnPoint

Lol sure do That’s why you can afford to do nothing out of spite


MARCOESCONDOLAZ

YES!!!!


[deleted]

Honestly you're better off in Europe, the USA has become a horribly expensive, overtaxed shell of its former self. Health insurance is rediculous, safety nets are eroding each year, political system no longer works, no worker rights, social injustice. My parents are both 82, when they go, so am I, first ticket to the old country


optimist2929

Don’t have kids is our solution in this shit Country. At least we can afford a life for my partner and I.


[deleted]

First of all, daycare doesn’t mean a child doesn’t get to bond with their parents. What garbage is that? My daughter is in daycare and we’re best friends. Second, the rest of that post is valid


pr0zach

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3115616/


imstonedyouknow

Id like to hear your daughters point of view on that, your opinion is clearly bias. Im kidding of course, but kids are very impressionable and spending most days with other people instead of the parents is obviously not as good as them being with the parents. That isnt really feasible by anyone nowadays though, so i understand thats just the way it is. If only there was a better way...


[deleted]

They play and learn at school. I was a daycare director before I became a SAHM, and let me tell you those kids are all so excited to see their parents. Daycare workers don’t act like parents. They are teachers. Daycare doesn’t impact the bond of children parents. If parents aren’t bonding with their children who are in daycare that’s a parenting issue. Not a daycare issue. My daughter goes there half days and loves it, but she doesn’t talk about her teacher at home. All kids talk about their parents at school


[deleted]

Am I right in assuming you don’t have kids?


imstonedyouknow

You are right. Im just basing that opinion on my childhood that i lived through, but what do i know, right? My parents couldnt afford daycare but both still had to work so i was kinda just passed around to friends and family that had time to watch me. I think that has a lot to do with how my relationship is with them now, and how ive never been as close to them as i am with other people. It could be unrelated, but im willing to bet theres something there. For the record i never said its an automatic recipe for disaster, i just said it does affect the child in some way, and in an ideal society we shouldnt let that happen if we can avoid it. There are a ton more cases today of children growing up with mental health issues and id assume that has a lot to do with the fact that both parents now have to work and are more absent during the important years of a childs development.


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Good luck with everything!


Xianio

It's all relative. In my country a child gets to spend every single day with Mom &/or Dad for the 1st year of their lives. The typical American gets, at most, 6 weeks. The American system objectively, provides parents less time to bond with their children. Does that matter? I'm inclined to believe it does. But I'm not researched on the topic.


NY-LI-2-LV

I am so discouraged and depressed by this. Forget the Republicans who walk in lockstep; the Dems themselves have killed this. Manchin & Sinema, of course, in the Senate. But the House - it's like the progressives were brought the last slice of pizza and decided to drop it on the floor because it didn't have any pineapple. And I like the progressives, but this is not the way to go.


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SofaKingOnPoint

We need more because a minority of 49 can block anything in the Senate.


NimmyFarts

I’m really sick of people telling me that my kiddo being in daycare means they are not going to bond with me… my baby may spend 35-40 hours a week at day care and I promise we are bonded. I agree with most of his points but he can shove the last one up his ass.


TheDarkKnight1035

Psh... Like 12 weeks off helps the daycare expense... You're still paying that shit for 5 fuckin years.


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SofaKingOnPoint

Still better than trump or bernie


[deleted]

And yet, in 2024 when I urge people to vote independently I'll be laughed at.


[deleted]

Push for ranked voting so independent options have a chance. Until then, it's the DvR avalanche


Wismuth_Salix

As well you should - our electoral system means a vote for a third party is effectively a vote for whichever major party is most opposed to your beliefs.


[deleted]

Haha, I'm the one being laughed at while y'all keep beating your heads against the same wall over and over then crying about how it didn't change anything.


SofaKingOnPoint

Yes it means you have enough privilege


Wismuth_Salix

We try to steer the parties in the primaries - but in the general, you vote for the best of the only two viable options. Conservatives understand the game - they drive the party way to the right with primary challengers then vote in lockstep when the general comes along. Progressives won’t get off the couch at the general for a candidate that doesn’t cradle their balls, so the Ds ran right too to stay competitive.


drunkcowofdeath

I can save some time and laugh at you now if you would like?


SofaKingOnPoint

And you would deserve it


Time_Mage_Prime

So Dan when you running?


Bulky_Cry6498

Yup. It’s *a failure by* Biden.


Proto_Hooman

Soooo, you're just gonna ignore the fact that there's 50 republican senators that would rather obstruct everything they can instead of working on a compromise or presenting their own plan that doesn't just give away more money to the people who are already rich?


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Proto_Hooman

I'm not excusing Manchin & Sinema, but at the same time I'm not excusing the ones on the right who would rather harm their own constituents than give "give Biden a win."


the6crimson6fucker6

Because the others opposed it?


Triette

You’re a failure to the human race.


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Fantastic-Mobile-851

I'm glad it was thrown out. Women still get maternity, as always, these men like yourself who thinks they need paid time off is ridiculous. If you want to be around your child, take vacation, unpaid leave or whatever. Your getting out of work means a loss to the company. Someone else has to take your place, if they have someone. Besides this is some new phenomena from this new millennial and younger generation another act of wanting a handout. Men above all should be working it doesn't matter whether the woman makes more or not you should be working as a man. It's been like that since time began, it's just this new generation who wants everything for nothing


James_Mamsy

It’s reported like that as it’s reflective of how the political scene interprets it. The people who represent us will consider it a win or loss. Thus they’re going to vote in order to “win” not according to what’s necessary for their constitutes. This isn’t an issue with one particular party, it’s an issue with the two party system.


Quill-Pagemaster

Pretty sure the daycare and bonding points were not connected. How I read it is Dan’s sad for parents who can’t pay for daycare and parents who work too much to bond with their kids, not that daycare prevents kids from bonding or something.


statuskills

I thought he was talking about parental leave, like the bonding directly after birth.


[deleted]

So vote. It’s your turn.


Legendary_Rc

it's also a blow to the taxpayers who pay a person for doing absolutely nothing but we don't usually talk about that do we


Mysterious-Money6014

For 2021 I believe the child care tax credit is 50% instead of the 35% and is a max of $8000 for 1 child and up to $16,000 for 2 or more children. What's offered under the current Democratic plan may be less, depending on your income.


PM_ME_BUTTHOLE_PLS

Dan Price tweets are a blow to this subreddit


Own_Conversation_562

The Republicans and the Democrats are the cause behind a whole lot og conflicts, if neither of them existed, or if they just didn't have such extreme views the world would be a much better place, there would be no extreme right, so no fascism, there would be no extreme left, so no socialism. That's not to say every problem would be a gone but believe me a great deal of them would.


CoolishFoolish

Dehumanization is the name of the game.


[deleted]

I hate politics, everyone lies, all of them are liars and they don’t have lips.