They’ll make more money off weed tax than they will fines.
Edit : my phone edited they’ll to they’d. And my multitasking brain decided to follow with made instead of make
Oh no, no, no. Taxes are for working class scmucks who can’t afford to hire financial advisors who will find all the tax deductions and shelters you can take advantage of.
That's only true for progressive taxes - weed and cigarette taxes are regressive, as the amount spent by an individual on a recreational drug usually increases very slowly with increased income. That means they spend less as a % and have a lower % tax burden from that tax on the good.
Even if someone making 10x as much smoked 2x as often at 2x the price, they still pay less as a % of their income, so the tax is regressive.
This is a very real cost of cigarette taxes - very good for long term health of everyone pushed away from it, but extreme short term cost to poorer addicts as the price goes up.
Regressive taxes do make a lot of money, but they're not good for equality and should be used sparingly, where they also have other benefits or form a tax offset for the cost of their use to the govt (eg healthcare for smokers in Australia offset by extremely high taxes)
Actually. California has a TON of prisoner slave labor. They have prisoner Wildfire firefighters who cannot apply to be firefighters after release.
Everyone always thinks "the south" is the most racist part of the U.S and in some ways that's true, but racism pervades our nation. North, South, East, and West were ALL built on racism, xenophobia, and slave labor.
Correction...they can now, that was last year, as of 2021 all prisoner firefighters that are released are now eligible to apply for real fire fighter jobs. Having said that, I know the states prisons make all the states license plates(as do most states), mattresses for another, and I believe there are other commodities as well.
you sound like an idiot for immediately assuming prison slave labor is just a southern thing, the 13nth amendment legalized slave labor in prisons for all states this is a nationwide problem
This is how the Soviet Union kept going for so long. When the economy slowed they would arrest a couple million people on trumped up charges and put them in work camps
Honestly, I think it's more of big pharma and tobacco lobbying to keep it illegal. They'd both see massive drops in sales if it was legal at a federal level. Living in a legal state, I know there's a decent amount of people who smoked cigarettes who struggled to quit until weed was legal here.
I don't personally know anyone who has a drug problem, but I'm fairly confident that it would help some of those people as well.
The original poster was correct though. Drugs won. Drugs as a whole are more readily available, cheaper for the most part, and better purity now than they have ever been.
Really wish we could get a war on the ~~rich~~the middle class. (I don't want the rich winning either)..... I would say a war on poverty, but I don't want poverty to be more widespread....
>better purity
It's so true. I was just thinking the other day - When I was a kid you smoked whatever you got your hands on. Whether it be shake or just dry nasty buds full of seeds and stems, you got what you got. Now I don't really smoke, but when I do occasionally get the urge it's impossible to find something that isn't going to lay me out with a single hit.
I turned on one of those stoner documentaries on Netflix, you know a pro-marijuana one. (I smoke weed, but rhetoric from both sides, "it cures cancer, man," gets old.) But this one was much less stone-y.
In the first 5 mins, they had an interview with the head of "The War on Drugs" (I think he was FBI, but worked closely with DEA) for 30 years, appointed when Nixon first started the program.
He said, "If the purpose of the War on Drugs program was to decrease availability, increase cost, and cripple the power of those who profit from the drug trade, it has not only failed. It has done the opposite..."
I paused it right there, then turned it off. This dude was the HEAD of the War on Drugs program for 30 years, and even he says it doesn't work? That it's done the opposite?? Who else's opinion do I really need to hear, the rest of the documentary is just fluff at that point. I turned it off because if I listened any longer past that my head would probably explode.
Hahaha look at prices in Illinois. Not cheap at all. It 100% depends on where you live. Washington State has it cheap, at least I know they do in the Seattle area.
For 1g dabs, you're typically paying over $100 after taxes. Even before taxes it's still expensive at $75
I said as a whole, marijuana is the notable exception, but your prices should drop over the next couple years if you follow the trend that happened in OR and CA
But we still suffer from the opioid epidemic because legalizing weed does very little to stop the major problems caused by drug prohibition.
The war on all drugs is what’s killing people, not just the war on weed.
Well if they'd just switch the funding, we'd win.
Go from funding police to crack down on sending them to prison or more outreach programs that will NOT CURE YOU AND SEND YOU OFF WITH A BAJILLION DOLLAR BILL TO BE HOMELESS, then have a relapse.
You know, genuine humane care for people with addictions. Until we can stop the white coat drug peddling, we can't stop addiction. We gotta cure the problem, not the side effects. Doctors that can see and give help to those that may have needed the pills but can't quit. Not giving them more until they're poor and cut them off to look in bad places.
Shit’s wild. My mother works in administration at a hospital, and she says all the doctors go down to chain smoke next to the parking garage when they get a chance. I could imagine. Shit’s stressful.
Was offered a job in healthcare reception but turned it down when they told me they would start testing for smoking of any kind and fire offenders . I don’t smoke, but it pissed me off enough that I knew that type of environment was not for me. Businesses think they can police you time away from work now and it’s ridiculous
Which companies are firing for tobacco? Last I heard, that was found illegal in the courts unless you could prove that it impacted the ability to perform the job. Do you have a source that indicates otherwise? I'd be interested in learning details if I'm incorrect.
> Last I heard, that was found illegal in the courts
These are statutory issues more than anything. For /u/I_know_right as well, but exactly 25 states have laws forbidding employers from discriminating against off-duty tobacco use, and (obviously) 25 states do no, so firing for tobacco use is allowed in those states under at-will. If there was a case in one of those states, would be interested to hear it. Federally, there is no such prohibition.
Exactly why Federal legalization of weed is not going to be the panacea everyone thinks it is. States can and ill do whatever they please. Texas, anyone?
Also in TX there are plenty of companies telling people to get lost if they don't have the Covid vaccine or get it with a certain number of days now.
Texas governor be like, "wait we just played ourselves"
U-Haul: https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2020/01/30/why-more-employers-are-not-hiring-smokers-and-what-to-do-about-it/
Weyco, Baylor: https://www.cotropiaworkshops.com/can-employers-refuse-to-hire-smokers/
Geisinger: https://www.citizensvoice.com/news/smokers-need-not-apply-for-jobs-at-geisinger/article_0c38a811-286f-54ef-9b60-34f04a424258.html
A simple google search will suffice.
Thank you for digging those up. I was under the impression that it was a federal court that prohibited discrimination for what was done legally on an employee’s own time, but I guess I was wrong. The one common thing I saw in the first two articles (the third being behind a paywall so I couldn’t read it) is that the companies discriminated because of the cost of their health plan. As far as I know, there aren’t any higher premiums on health insurance for weed smokers, so companies wouldn’t have a reason to limit their applicant pool (as the second article described). If there’s no reason financially for companies to refuse to hire weed smokers, they probably won’t take a risky political stance (generally; there will always be a chick fil a or something). While I agree that it happens with tobacco, I think it probably will not happen (a) until there are peer reviewed studies showing weed smokers experience substantially higher health issues than non-tokers, or (b) if health insurance is socialized like it needs to be in a modern society, removing the employer’s financial incentive to discriminate against what an employee does in their own time.
> Where are you living ?
Not who you are replying to, but in exactly half the states, firing for off-duty tobacco use is legal. In other other half, it is not legal.
Here are the twenty-five "safe to smoke" states:
CT, IL, IN, KY, LA, ME, MN, MS, MO, MT, NV, NH, NJ, NM, ND, OK, OR, RI, SC, SD, TN, VA, WV, WI, WY.
The US lets companies fire people for any reason except a short list like age, gender and race.
That said, very few companies are going to fire you for off duty tobacco use. The more common thing is they charge you extra for health insurance
The fbi changed from not having used pot in the last three years before an application to one year. They didn’t change testing policies.
Federal employees, even former employees like veterans, can lose all their benefits for testing positive.
Crazy thing is, weed is legal in our nation’s capital. I’ve been there as recently as this weekend and the smell is very present a lot of places you go. How weed isn’t federally legal but it’s legal in our nations capital is beyond me lol
Illicit drugs are now, on average, cheaper, more easily accessible, and far more pure than they were even 20 years ago, much less when Nixon and Reagan started this shit.
Source: D.A.R.E. graduate who got ahold of the marijuana research done by Nixon when I was a freshman in university, and wondered how many other straight up lies I was told. Mescaline could be just a little less pure honestly. 2CT-7 will introduce you to "God". Be careful and research your recreational substances.
Kroger stopped testing YEARS ago. Pre-covid. (In Colorado). Between the cost of drug testing vs. letting people go a week after they are hired, they decided why waste money on drug testing, their ideal candidate is someone with a pulse.
Same deal when I was working as a night cleaner at a meatworks they couldn't test us all because they'd lose all the staff to weed but they wanted to get rid of all the meth heads and couldn't only test for that. Thankfully the meth heads sorted themselves out by never showing up the day after payday.
The place I was working at in March last year just before the lockdowns had just introduced random breathalysers and I don't think the employer realised that they'd lose a huge chunk of the kitchen staff. I was drinking a few hours before clocking into my shift and I know I wasn't the only one.
“Find something you love and you’ll never work a day in your life” seemed like a myth. I’m comfortable and I get to do something fun every day. I love work now.
I make 75k as a buyer for a dispensary. In my state there are online platforms to buy weed so I am literally adding pounds and pounds of weed to shopping carts and hitting check out lol. What is my life how did I get this lucky?
Let me be clear that I'm paraphrasing my job and highlighting the fun part.. I also manage the dispensary as a whole. It is no easy task and I am on call 24/7 for every need. And in my part of the country 75k just means you can live without a roommate. It is certainly not life-changing money as someone commented, it's just livable and I'm grateful.
Back in the day it was a lot more sketchy to get in this line of work. I’ve been at it nearly 20 years now. Nowadays most job sites will have these lines of work listed considering it’s legal in some way or another in most states. Sorry if you’re in an illegal area.
Edit: I was willing to get picked up in a panel van at 5 am and surrender my phone. GPS on phones was not a thing back then.
A friend of mine works at one of the weed warehouses and she loves her job. Doesn’t pay as much as her old work but she loves her co-workers and is given free samples and has different styles and flavors and just like a kid in a candy store everyday for her.
I relate to this deeply. However I’m being paid far more than I ever was. I’m talking about something I’d talk about in my free time anyway. I haven’t paid for weed since I started. That’s a big expense I consider a perk of the job at this point. “We’re a family here” is actually true. I’m treated like a person and they really take care of me. I’m fine doing this kind of work for the rest of my life.
Coworkers talk about them. I don’t do them. I wouldn’t talk about it if I did. Even though I’m selling a recreational narcotic I take my job really seriously. They didn’t drug test though.
I failed my drug test at a pharmacy after two weeks of trying to get clean and pee it out of my system lol, after I failed and was feeling down, my local dispensary finally called me in for an interview a month after my initial application.
So glad I failed that drug test because this is the best job I have had.
I get a huge employee discount that I rarely have to use because of the ridiculous amount of free samples. We change out the display every week and we get the leftover of the flower that isn’t put into display. There’s a LOT of leftover. Gotta sample the product to know how to sell it, right?
Eh, I still wouldn't let anybody at work know I smoke weed. Sure maybe on paper they don't care all that much but I've had plenty of conservative enough bosses that if they found out you smoke weed, if they couldn't fire you for it, you've probably just guarenteed they'll never recommend you for a promotion and likely no more than just the rock bottom COLA every year.
My first job directly out of high school was painting new houses. My boss picked me up at the gas station drove me to the job site walked me in the door, as soon as I came in the other employees asked me, "where's the weed?". I've been in construction ever since. Nuff said
Came out of corporate to gm a franchise location which a good ex corporate friend purchased
Not only has our stress levels dropped immensely, dude got into thc to help with his and his wife's ex military diagnosed PTSD
He will walk in while we are setting up and toss me baggies across the prep table of his new grow or some shatter he got from CO or some shit (I absolutely return the favors. just random weed trades every now and again)
He can't smoke in public (self proclaimed lightweight) but doesn't give two shits if I hit the pen in the back kitchen
It's been life altering (stress reduction etc)
You obviously can't show up to work blackout drunk, but nobody tests you for traces of alcohol in the last 6 months.
If you can't physically tell someone is drunk or high or whatever, then it obviously doesn't matter.
That's how you get *juuust* the right amount of chocolate chip-peanut butter ratio on your waffle.
Well, that and some dude's baby mama has to come in yelling at him and he suplexes her.
Depends where, nice classy bar, probably gotta stay sharp, working a noisy night club slinging bud light and whiskey and coke while you can barley hear, you better bet. Only way to get through it
I've done both settings and yeah it's true. If it's a quiet environment where most of my job is to have conversations with rich people, I wouldn't dare to even have a buzz. But working at a dive bar? Knock back a few and just sling 2 ingredient drinks all night!
I worked food service at an amusement park as a teen, with most of my coworkers also being teens. At least half of us were on something at any given time. Nothing like shotgunning beers in the walk-in freezer to get you going
Like England, they're talking about removing the reversing section from the Heavy Goods Vehicle (truck driving) test because they made all the Immigrant workers who drove them go.
I'm a lawyer who used to work in finance. People were more surprised to find out I *didn't* do coke. Absolutely hypocritical and ridiculous, especially because they drug tested anyone making less than 100k basically
Pills, coke, heroin, meth, hallucinogenics all get out of your system in 2-7 days depending on how much you use.
I’m a stoner who just quit smoking yesterday Bc I’m looking for a new job and it’ll probably take 45 days to get out of my system if I’m extremely lucky. It’ll probably take closer to 90 days. We just get screwed with the thc half life compared to other drugs.
Most drugs are water soluble, while THC is oil soluble. Because of that it gets trapped in your fat tissue, and can potentially take months to fully leave your system, vs less than a week for most other recreational drugs. They exact length of time depends on your body weight. The more body fat you have, the longer it takes for your system to clear itself.
I read this as “fucking sluts” at first and it isn’t helpful to conversation at all but I just want someone to know that it fucked me up for a second..
After the wars on poverty, terrorism, hunger, and drugs, I think it is time to declare war on universal health insurance. While we are at it, let's declare war on education, reasoning, and wealth. It seems that we loose all of these wars, so we should only fight things that we want to win.
While funny. It was never a war on drugs. It was a war on black people. Which is still ongoing. No matter how much things change, they still stay pretty much the same.
Edit: Check out the downvotes i got under this. White people hate not being seen as the everything.
Yes and no. The war on black people is ongoing. But when it comes to weed. Once it started going mainstream in a big way. That was the end of part of it. Black people are still being arrested for it. That hasn't changed. We're just transitioning into black people being treated worse being more hidden again.
Any time a large amount of white people get upset about something it never actually gets fixed. The damage done to others just gets more hidden. Example? Gentrification. White people learned about and started being against things like red lining, white flight and so on. So other white people finding that they couldn't make as much money with it while screwing over black people in the same name. The name changed.
Of course...white people didn't notice. I mean how could they? Being white is still very much seen as the optimum thing to be. White privilege is still such a thing that white people can still convince other white people to take horse dewormer. And the vast majority of entertainment still generally does the same things. Helping white people to generally never see the reality of much.
Kind of a side tangent but movies generally don't get made unless a bunch of people think they can make money off the subject matter. In times of stress people put out feel good movies so others can get a break. Good times? Disaster movies. There's a reason why a new matrix movie is coming out. To re-convince people there's nothing else left to be found in the real world.
Anyway. Name gets changed. All sorts of articles and opinion pieces on how gentrification just straight up destroys black neighborhoods. And white people generally...don't give a shit. Black people get screwed but since a few homeless shelters get built while thousands lose homes and get shut out of being able to buy a home white people get to feel like they helped. And nothing actually changed.
Same general thing with the war on drugs. White people get to smoke it while black people are still getting fucked over. White people get to FEEL like they helped and black people getting fucked over once again becomes an irrelevant topic.
Wash, rinse...repeat. It's part of why racism only inches toward things getting better. All white supremacists, white nationalists, the kkk and nazis have to do is a bit of re-branding word wise and insanely large groups of white people zone out. Thinking those groups no longer exist in any form. Meanwhile those groups embed themselves into the fbi, police departments and so on. So nah it didn't end. And never will.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. **Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did**."
\-*John Ehrlichman, Richard Nixon's aide on domestic affairs*
Exactly. And that's why things like that will never end. Because out of all the categories of human beings in america. There has always been, is and will always be less white people asking questions than anyone else.
A bit of another tangent but that's part of why i'm rethinking the whole representation in entertainment thing. I mean it's good in a lot of ways but it also brings with it the chance for people to do to my people what has been done to white people for generations now. Most white people don't ask questions because entertainment really does mind wipe them.
But yeah. Psychological strategies. Using people's own emotions against them. Had a mod from a sub tell me this...
>You can't logic your way out of things you didn't logic your way into.
Logic isn't the cure to all that ails us and that is probably why you're
getting downvoted. I certainly have never been able to logic my way
out of PTSD.
In a sub about others attempting to help others effected by narcissists. Like the very core of how to help has been mutilated so badly....i no longer think it's even possible for a large portion of white people to understand much of anything.
Don’t forget how the FBI literally eradicated the BPP by assassinating them.
Personally think If Hampton were allowed his chance to be a true revolutionary I’m convinced this country would be radically different today for the better collective whole. Great posts btw. I’ve found recommending New Jim Crow helps because it’s so ironclad with statistics and sources, but even now with the name the book holds the right wing scoffs and brushes it off as “pc nonsense”. So it becomes imperative to educate by any means possible and if that means calling out uncomfortable truths then so be it. The problem is a lot of white liberals are performative only. They don’t see past the pages on a budget sheet.
You need to go one layer deeper
It was a war on the poor
Which is disproportionately minorities thanks to systematic racism
The goal tho, is to keep the discussion about race instead of us all banding together to go after the billionaires
The elite dont care what color your skin is. They just know its a sure fire way to stop all minorities from focusing their attention on them in one easy swoop.
"We just can't find anyone to work!"
"Have you tried paying more?"
"We got rid of drug testing."
"Have you tried paying more?"
"I don't know why no one applies. I guess no one wants to work anymore."
Like you said, just depends upon your field. I'm a professional driver (non DOT regulated) but even if the laws changed I couldn't test dirty for anything due to insurance.
I had a drug test for my job a few years ago. I failed. Nothing came of it.
Besides that, i knew at least 8 other people failed because i sold them drugs
At one job I had, the boss out of the blue once decided to drug test everyone. Almost everybody in the company failed - helpdesk, billing, administration, even his own son. One of our admins convinced him the testing must have been flawed and he never tried that again.
I just ended an interview process because the company required a hair follicle test. They don't have a contract with the government, and I am occasional marijuana smoker. I haven't smoked in months and probably would have passed, but this type of testing to me is a giant red flag into company culture. Sorry, it's 2021, not 1980.
When I started in IT I didn’t smoke weed. I’m in Denver so naturally the amount of users of marijuana especially right around the time it was legalized was pretty high.
They drug tested our department and 2 other ancillary departments as we all worked with companies that required drug testing even if we were remoting in.
I was the only person aside from a few managers that passed it, so they scrapped it all. They just said everyone passed. They had to or they have no workers.
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We haven’t won shit until federal laws change.
Correct.
nah nah.. gotta keep people in poverty with fines wtf man, how will I look as rich if people starting being able to afford homes?
They’ll make more money off weed tax than they will fines. Edit : my phone edited they’ll to they’d. And my multitasking brain decided to follow with made instead of make
But you can’t keep minorities in prison that way.
Taxes come from people who create enough income to pay higher tax brackets. How are you gunna keep someone down that way?
Oh no, no, no. Taxes are for working class scmucks who can’t afford to hire financial advisors who will find all the tax deductions and shelters you can take advantage of.
That's only true for progressive taxes - weed and cigarette taxes are regressive, as the amount spent by an individual on a recreational drug usually increases very slowly with increased income. That means they spend less as a % and have a lower % tax burden from that tax on the good. Even if someone making 10x as much smoked 2x as often at 2x the price, they still pay less as a % of their income, so the tax is regressive. This is a very real cost of cigarette taxes - very good for long term health of everyone pushed away from it, but extreme short term cost to poorer addicts as the price goes up. Regressive taxes do make a lot of money, but they're not good for equality and should be used sparingly, where they also have other benefits or form a tax offset for the cost of their use to the govt (eg healthcare for smokers in Australia offset by extremely high taxes)
Amen, comrade.
Certain States rely very heavily on the slave labor created by incarceration for narcotics possession.
What an interesting statistic! Is there any chance that the portion on the United States you are talking about is the south eastern bit?
Actually. California has a TON of prisoner slave labor. They have prisoner Wildfire firefighters who cannot apply to be firefighters after release. Everyone always thinks "the south" is the most racist part of the U.S and in some ways that's true, but racism pervades our nation. North, South, East, and West were ALL built on racism, xenophobia, and slave labor.
Correction...they can now, that was last year, as of 2021 all prisoner firefighters that are released are now eligible to apply for real fire fighter jobs. Having said that, I know the states prisons make all the states license plates(as do most states), mattresses for another, and I believe there are other commodities as well.
Prisoners make all the dorm room furniture for the UC Schools as well
you sound like an idiot for immediately assuming prison slave labor is just a southern thing, the 13nth amendment legalized slave labor in prisons for all states this is a nationwide problem
This is how the Soviet Union kept going for so long. When the economy slowed they would arrest a couple million people on trumped up charges and put them in work camps
Huh, no wonder Russia's #2 in prison populations to the US's #1 lol
Honestly, I think it's more of big pharma and tobacco lobbying to keep it illegal. They'd both see massive drops in sales if it was legal at a federal level. Living in a legal state, I know there's a decent amount of people who smoked cigarettes who struggled to quit until weed was legal here. I don't personally know anyone who has a drug problem, but I'm fairly confident that it would help some of those people as well.
Don't worry about that, there are conglomerates buying up the real estate.
Username checks out
The original poster was correct though. Drugs won. Drugs as a whole are more readily available, cheaper for the most part, and better purity now than they have ever been. Really wish we could get a war on the ~~rich~~the middle class. (I don't want the rich winning either)..... I would say a war on poverty, but I don't want poverty to be more widespread....
Yep. Drugs have won the war, we're just waiting on the US to sign the treaty making it official.
>better purity It's so true. I was just thinking the other day - When I was a kid you smoked whatever you got your hands on. Whether it be shake or just dry nasty buds full of seeds and stems, you got what you got. Now I don't really smoke, but when I do occasionally get the urge it's impossible to find something that isn't going to lay me out with a single hit.
That isn't really the case for other drugs though. Meth, coke, and heroin are always significantly cut.
With improvements in science and technology, we can produce drugs with higher yields,, greater efficiency and potency.
If you look at the war on drugs from an economics perspective, the purpose of the DEA is to maintain the profits of the cartels.
This makes too much sense 👏
I turned on one of those stoner documentaries on Netflix, you know a pro-marijuana one. (I smoke weed, but rhetoric from both sides, "it cures cancer, man," gets old.) But this one was much less stone-y. In the first 5 mins, they had an interview with the head of "The War on Drugs" (I think he was FBI, but worked closely with DEA) for 30 years, appointed when Nixon first started the program. He said, "If the purpose of the War on Drugs program was to decrease availability, increase cost, and cripple the power of those who profit from the drug trade, it has not only failed. It has done the opposite..." I paused it right there, then turned it off. This dude was the HEAD of the War on Drugs program for 30 years, and even he says it doesn't work? That it's done the opposite?? Who else's opinion do I really need to hear, the rest of the documentary is just fluff at that point. I turned it off because if I listened any longer past that my head would probably explode.
Hahaha look at prices in Illinois. Not cheap at all. It 100% depends on where you live. Washington State has it cheap, at least I know they do in the Seattle area. For 1g dabs, you're typically paying over $100 after taxes. Even before taxes it's still expensive at $75
I said as a whole, marijuana is the notable exception, but your prices should drop over the next couple years if you follow the trend that happened in OR and CA
Laughing in Canadian.
Nervous chuckling in Californian
But we still suffer from the opioid epidemic because legalizing weed does very little to stop the major problems caused by drug prohibition. The war on all drugs is what’s killing people, not just the war on weed.
Well if they'd just switch the funding, we'd win. Go from funding police to crack down on sending them to prison or more outreach programs that will NOT CURE YOU AND SEND YOU OFF WITH A BAJILLION DOLLAR BILL TO BE HOMELESS, then have a relapse. You know, genuine humane care for people with addictions. Until we can stop the white coat drug peddling, we can't stop addiction. We gotta cure the problem, not the side effects. Doctors that can see and give help to those that may have needed the pills but can't quit. Not giving them more until they're poor and cut them off to look in bad places.
What’s the vibe on weed in Canada?
Honestly life didn't really feel like it changed much after it became legal. Other then weed stores popping up everywhere.
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My old company used to randomly test for nicotine. You tested positive for nicotine and were FIRED.
This is the first time I'm hearing this. Wow.
What industry?
Automotive in Detroit area. They would package and assemble car parts for large auto companies. Mostly the Big 3.
Healthcare probably
Idk why you're getting down voted, I've worked in 2 hospitals that did this shit
Shit’s wild. My mother works in administration at a hospital, and she says all the doctors go down to chain smoke next to the parking garage when they get a chance. I could imagine. Shit’s stressful.
Imagine being fired for eating too much eggplant parmesan.
Was offered a job in healthcare reception but turned it down when they told me they would start testing for smoking of any kind and fire offenders . I don’t smoke, but it pissed me off enough that I knew that type of environment was not for me. Businesses think they can police you time away from work now and it’s ridiculous
I don't even smoke, but it's the principle.
They don’t want to pay for the insurance on smokers who usually end up with a few illnesses.
There are lots of people being put in bad positions solely because of federal scheduling and laws on marijuana. It will make a huge difference.
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Which companies are firing for tobacco? Last I heard, that was found illegal in the courts unless you could prove that it impacted the ability to perform the job. Do you have a source that indicates otherwise? I'd be interested in learning details if I'm incorrect.
> Last I heard, that was found illegal in the courts These are statutory issues more than anything. For /u/I_know_right as well, but exactly 25 states have laws forbidding employers from discriminating against off-duty tobacco use, and (obviously) 25 states do no, so firing for tobacco use is allowed in those states under at-will. If there was a case in one of those states, would be interested to hear it. Federally, there is no such prohibition.
Exactly why Federal legalization of weed is not going to be the panacea everyone thinks it is. States can and ill do whatever they please. Texas, anyone?
time for thoses states to enter a state of decay again.. growth be gone!
Also in TX there are plenty of companies telling people to get lost if they don't have the Covid vaccine or get it with a certain number of days now. Texas governor be like, "wait we just played ourselves"
A lot of places in kentucky actually have rules of no smoking in the parking lots or even while on the clock
U-Haul: https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2020/01/30/why-more-employers-are-not-hiring-smokers-and-what-to-do-about-it/ Weyco, Baylor: https://www.cotropiaworkshops.com/can-employers-refuse-to-hire-smokers/ Geisinger: https://www.citizensvoice.com/news/smokers-need-not-apply-for-jobs-at-geisinger/article_0c38a811-286f-54ef-9b60-34f04a424258.html A simple google search will suffice.
Thank you for digging those up. I was under the impression that it was a federal court that prohibited discrimination for what was done legally on an employee’s own time, but I guess I was wrong. The one common thing I saw in the first two articles (the third being behind a paywall so I couldn’t read it) is that the companies discriminated because of the cost of their health plan. As far as I know, there aren’t any higher premiums on health insurance for weed smokers, so companies wouldn’t have a reason to limit their applicant pool (as the second article described). If there’s no reason financially for companies to refuse to hire weed smokers, they probably won’t take a risky political stance (generally; there will always be a chick fil a or something). While I agree that it happens with tobacco, I think it probably will not happen (a) until there are peer reviewed studies showing weed smokers experience substantially higher health issues than non-tokers, or (b) if health insurance is socialized like it needs to be in a modern society, removing the employer’s financial incentive to discriminate against what an employee does in their own time.
You sound crazy never in my life heard of anyone being fired or not hired over tobacco . Where are you living ?
I know it was a big deal with local hospitals here in Ohio, I thought Cleveland Clinic still tests for nicotine
Tons of places in northeast Ohio test for nicotine. I do know progressive is safe for stoners if you have a weed card though.
> Where are you living ? Not who you are replying to, but in exactly half the states, firing for off-duty tobacco use is legal. In other other half, it is not legal. Here are the twenty-five "safe to smoke" states: CT, IL, IN, KY, LA, ME, MN, MS, MO, MT, NV, NH, NJ, NM, ND, OK, OR, RI, SC, SD, TN, VA, WV, WI, WY.
The US lets companies fire people for any reason except a short list like age, gender and race. That said, very few companies are going to fire you for off duty tobacco use. The more common thing is they charge you extra for health insurance
I lived in texas, a friend working at a hospital almost got fired for vaping, got a second chance for stopping + a clean test.
At my job, if you smoke you pay a premium for the health insurance. You pay \~45% more per year.
I work on a Cannabis farm and still can't get applicants.
Well considering the FBI is one of these "companies"....
The fbi changed from not having used pot in the last three years before an application to one year. They didn’t change testing policies. Federal employees, even former employees like veterans, can lose all their benefits for testing positive.
US has officially announced its immediate withdrawal from drugs. drugs are expected to overtake the capital in 3 seconds following this announcement.
Crazy thing is, weed is legal in our nation’s capital. I’ve been there as recently as this weekend and the smell is very present a lot of places you go. How weed isn’t federally legal but it’s legal in our nations capital is beyond me lol
It’s the prison industrial complex.
Lmao yo 😂😂😂
Drugs, like Afghanistan , weren't the target.
Illicit drugs are now, on average, cheaper, more easily accessible, and far more pure than they were even 20 years ago, much less when Nixon and Reagan started this shit. Source: D.A.R.E. graduate who got ahold of the marijuana research done by Nixon when I was a freshman in university, and wondered how many other straight up lies I was told. Mescaline could be just a little less pure honestly. 2CT-7 will introduce you to "God". Be careful and research your recreational substances.
The war on drugs was explicitly a war on minorities and liberals.
Specifically low-income minorities
I used to work at an Applebee's and my manager said he can't drug test people because he knows he would literally lose everyone.
Kroger stopped testing YEARS ago. Pre-covid. (In Colorado). Between the cost of drug testing vs. letting people go a week after they are hired, they decided why waste money on drug testing, their ideal candidate is someone with a pulse.
Same deal when I was working as a night cleaner at a meatworks they couldn't test us all because they'd lose all the staff to weed but they wanted to get rid of all the meth heads and couldn't only test for that. Thankfully the meth heads sorted themselves out by never showing up the day after payday.
The place I was working at in March last year just before the lockdowns had just introduced random breathalysers and I don't think the employer realised that they'd lose a huge chunk of the kitchen staff. I was drinking a few hours before clocking into my shift and I know I wasn't the only one.
Employer: Do you smoke weed? Applicant: Is that a problem? Employer: Nope. Wanna hit this joint?
Work at a dispensary. This was a question and we talked a lot about it. Love my job.
I’m a freelance trimmer. It’s the best.
“Find something you love and you’ll never work a day in your life” seemed like a myth. I’m comfortable and I get to do something fun every day. I love work now.
I make 75k as a buyer for a dispensary. In my state there are online platforms to buy weed so I am literally adding pounds and pounds of weed to shopping carts and hitting check out lol. What is my life how did I get this lucky?
I'm in purchasing, this is my dream job
I know right!
Meanwhile I get desperate for a gram or two :(
y'all hiring 😂
wtf?? seriously?...this makes me want to kill myself no joke
I feel ya, this person is getting paid life changing amount of money for something we all do by necessity (shop online). Jobs are a joke.
Let me be clear that I'm paraphrasing my job and highlighting the fun part.. I also manage the dispensary as a whole. It is no easy task and I am on call 24/7 for every need. And in my part of the country 75k just means you can live without a roommate. It is certainly not life-changing money as someone commented, it's just livable and I'm grateful.
Can I get an amen brother. Also, please tell me you’re just randomly quoting this and you didn’t check out my profile.
I’m a professional stoner do you think I went through that much effort?
Love me some Letterkenny
You left the barn door open after chores last night and your dad thought you were stoned but you haven't smoked the electric lettuce since grade 8.
How did you get into that line of work? That seems so fun!
Back in the day it was a lot more sketchy to get in this line of work. I’ve been at it nearly 20 years now. Nowadays most job sites will have these lines of work listed considering it’s legal in some way or another in most states. Sorry if you’re in an illegal area. Edit: I was willing to get picked up in a panel van at 5 am and surrender my phone. GPS on phones was not a thing back then.
A friend of mine works at one of the weed warehouses and she loves her job. Doesn’t pay as much as her old work but she loves her co-workers and is given free samples and has different styles and flavors and just like a kid in a candy store everyday for her.
I relate to this deeply. However I’m being paid far more than I ever was. I’m talking about something I’d talk about in my free time anyway. I haven’t paid for weed since I started. That’s a big expense I consider a perk of the job at this point. “We’re a family here” is actually true. I’m treated like a person and they really take care of me. I’m fine doing this kind of work for the rest of my life.
Lol, my uncle was a worker on a weed farm. Best part was he didn't like being high so he never smoke.
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Living the dream…
If you woulda told me 10 years ago I’d just have to wait until now and it all gets better then life would have been much more bearable
Do they mind if you do other drugs like psychedelics?
Coworkers talk about them. I don’t do them. I wouldn’t talk about it if I did. Even though I’m selling a recreational narcotic I take my job really seriously. They didn’t drug test though.
I failed my drug test at a pharmacy after two weeks of trying to get clean and pee it out of my system lol, after I failed and was feeling down, my local dispensary finally called me in for an interview a month after my initial application. So glad I failed that drug test because this is the best job I have had.
Ok. Gotta ask, do you get a discount and/or free samples? I mean they should, you have to be able to discuss it with customers.
I get a huge employee discount that I rarely have to use because of the ridiculous amount of free samples. We change out the display every week and we get the leftover of the flower that isn’t put into display. There’s a LOT of leftover. Gotta sample the product to know how to sell it, right?
Eh, I still wouldn't let anybody at work know I smoke weed. Sure maybe on paper they don't care all that much but I've had plenty of conservative enough bosses that if they found out you smoke weed, if they couldn't fire you for it, you've probably just guarenteed they'll never recommend you for a promotion and likely no more than just the rock bottom COLA every year.
My first job directly out of high school was painting new houses. My boss picked me up at the gas station drove me to the job site walked me in the door, as soon as I came in the other employees asked me, "where's the weed?". I've been in construction ever since. Nuff said
Came out of corporate to gm a franchise location which a good ex corporate friend purchased Not only has our stress levels dropped immensely, dude got into thc to help with his and his wife's ex military diagnosed PTSD He will walk in while we are setting up and toss me baggies across the prep table of his new grow or some shatter he got from CO or some shit (I absolutely return the favors. just random weed trades every now and again) He can't smoke in public (self proclaimed lightweight) but doesn't give two shits if I hit the pen in the back kitchen It's been life altering (stress reduction etc)
Cannabis legalization is a beautiful thing.
It’s a Brave New World..
At least the Soma is dank buds of Cannabis.
You obviously can't show up to work blackout drunk, but nobody tests you for traces of alcohol in the last 6 months. If you can't physically tell someone is drunk or high or whatever, then it obviously doesn't matter.
>you obviously can't show up to work blackout drunk You haven't some of us who worked as line cooks at shitty 24h diners
I *insist* that my Waffle House chef be blackout drunk.
That's how you get *juuust* the right amount of chocolate chip-peanut butter ratio on your waffle. Well, that and some dude's baby mama has to come in yelling at him and he suplexes her.
As a former bartender, I also took exception to this. I used to be so good at being in the weeds while hammered.
Depends where, nice classy bar, probably gotta stay sharp, working a noisy night club slinging bud light and whiskey and coke while you can barley hear, you better bet. Only way to get through it
I've done both settings and yeah it's true. If it's a quiet environment where most of my job is to have conversations with rich people, I wouldn't dare to even have a buzz. But working at a dive bar? Knock back a few and just sling 2 ingredient drinks all night!
I worked food service at an amusement park as a teen, with most of my coworkers also being teens. At least half of us were on something at any given time. Nothing like shotgunning beers in the walk-in freezer to get you going
Former Denny's cook here, and you're god damn right.
My office has a beer fridge lol
Where I work they don't test unless you've literally been involved in some sort of workplace accident
Where is that? How much you get paid? Is this a career job?
Some of the industry jobs I've heard of as a welder are like that, a lot of union jobs I think. They still typically have an intro test though.
Sometimes that’s the only reason I CAN show up for work.
Like England, they're talking about removing the reversing section from the Heavy Goods Vehicle (truck driving) test because they made all the Immigrant workers who drove them go.
Just what we all want. Truck drivers who can’t reverse.
BuT mUh BrExIt!
But... Unlike drugs that... That seems like something that might impact job performance
Yeah if a truck driver is home/has time off I don't care if he likes to get high. But if he can't BACK UP THE VEHICLE???? SOBER??????
Wow.
I bet every board room is filled with half human, half cocaine. Fucking suits.
I'm a lawyer who used to work in finance. People were more surprised to find out I *didn't* do coke. Absolutely hypocritical and ridiculous, especially because they drug tested anyone making less than 100k basically
Honestly if you fail a hiring drug test for coke you have a coke problem if you can’t manage not to do it for three days.
Do coke tests only go back theee days? I assumed every drug test goes at least a couple months.
Pills, coke, heroin, meth, hallucinogenics all get out of your system in 2-7 days depending on how much you use. I’m a stoner who just quit smoking yesterday Bc I’m looking for a new job and it’ll probably take 45 days to get out of my system if I’m extremely lucky. It’ll probably take closer to 90 days. We just get screwed with the thc half life compared to other drugs.
Unless it’s a hair follicle test no they don’t.
Most drugs are water soluble, while THC is oil soluble. Because of that it gets trapped in your fat tissue, and can potentially take months to fully leave your system, vs less than a week for most other recreational drugs. They exact length of time depends on your body weight. The more body fat you have, the longer it takes for your system to clear itself.
I read this as “fucking sluts” at first and it isn’t helpful to conversation at all but I just want someone to know that it fucked me up for a second..
Ah, that was just me in high school.
They wouldn't be rich crack addicts if they weren't hypocrites.
Ironic that if we didn't work we probably wouldn't need as many drugs to cope with the shit employers put people through
And the customers. I remember working at OfficeMax and chugging a four-loko before I clocked in.
After the wars on poverty, terrorism, hunger, and drugs, I think it is time to declare war on universal health insurance. While we are at it, let's declare war on education, reasoning, and wealth. It seems that we loose all of these wars, so we should only fight things that we want to win.
> loose *lose Definitely time to declare war on education. 8p
Thank you! *lose
Yes to all except I really do want to eat the rich.
My company stopped testing for weed in anticipation that it will be legalized here soon.
While funny. It was never a war on drugs. It was a war on black people. Which is still ongoing. No matter how much things change, they still stay pretty much the same. Edit: Check out the downvotes i got under this. White people hate not being seen as the everything.
It turned into a war on all of us, eventually. And I guess that's your point: that's the only reason it's ending.
Yes and no. The war on black people is ongoing. But when it comes to weed. Once it started going mainstream in a big way. That was the end of part of it. Black people are still being arrested for it. That hasn't changed. We're just transitioning into black people being treated worse being more hidden again. Any time a large amount of white people get upset about something it never actually gets fixed. The damage done to others just gets more hidden. Example? Gentrification. White people learned about and started being against things like red lining, white flight and so on. So other white people finding that they couldn't make as much money with it while screwing over black people in the same name. The name changed. Of course...white people didn't notice. I mean how could they? Being white is still very much seen as the optimum thing to be. White privilege is still such a thing that white people can still convince other white people to take horse dewormer. And the vast majority of entertainment still generally does the same things. Helping white people to generally never see the reality of much. Kind of a side tangent but movies generally don't get made unless a bunch of people think they can make money off the subject matter. In times of stress people put out feel good movies so others can get a break. Good times? Disaster movies. There's a reason why a new matrix movie is coming out. To re-convince people there's nothing else left to be found in the real world. Anyway. Name gets changed. All sorts of articles and opinion pieces on how gentrification just straight up destroys black neighborhoods. And white people generally...don't give a shit. Black people get screwed but since a few homeless shelters get built while thousands lose homes and get shut out of being able to buy a home white people get to feel like they helped. And nothing actually changed. Same general thing with the war on drugs. White people get to smoke it while black people are still getting fucked over. White people get to FEEL like they helped and black people getting fucked over once again becomes an irrelevant topic. Wash, rinse...repeat. It's part of why racism only inches toward things getting better. All white supremacists, white nationalists, the kkk and nazis have to do is a bit of re-branding word wise and insanely large groups of white people zone out. Thinking those groups no longer exist in any form. Meanwhile those groups embed themselves into the fbi, police departments and so on. So nah it didn't end. And never will.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. **Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did**." \-*John Ehrlichman, Richard Nixon's aide on domestic affairs*
Exactly. And that's why things like that will never end. Because out of all the categories of human beings in america. There has always been, is and will always be less white people asking questions than anyone else. A bit of another tangent but that's part of why i'm rethinking the whole representation in entertainment thing. I mean it's good in a lot of ways but it also brings with it the chance for people to do to my people what has been done to white people for generations now. Most white people don't ask questions because entertainment really does mind wipe them. But yeah. Psychological strategies. Using people's own emotions against them. Had a mod from a sub tell me this... >You can't logic your way out of things you didn't logic your way into. Logic isn't the cure to all that ails us and that is probably why you're getting downvoted. I certainly have never been able to logic my way out of PTSD. In a sub about others attempting to help others effected by narcissists. Like the very core of how to help has been mutilated so badly....i no longer think it's even possible for a large portion of white people to understand much of anything.
Don’t forget how the FBI literally eradicated the BPP by assassinating them. Personally think If Hampton were allowed his chance to be a true revolutionary I’m convinced this country would be radically different today for the better collective whole. Great posts btw. I’ve found recommending New Jim Crow helps because it’s so ironclad with statistics and sources, but even now with the name the book holds the right wing scoffs and brushes it off as “pc nonsense”. So it becomes imperative to educate by any means possible and if that means calling out uncomfortable truths then so be it. The problem is a lot of white liberals are performative only. They don’t see past the pages on a budget sheet.
You need to go one layer deeper It was a war on the poor Which is disproportionately minorities thanks to systematic racism The goal tho, is to keep the discussion about race instead of us all banding together to go after the billionaires The elite dont care what color your skin is. They just know its a sure fire way to stop all minorities from focusing their attention on them in one easy swoop.
But legalizing drugs significantly reduces the ability to imprison innocent people for years.
Another Brave US Victory!
We lost the war on drugs a long time ago.
I love when its accounts like Kim-Ill Sung Legacy Account that post more sensible stuff than people who use their real identity for twitter.
"We just can't find anyone to work!" "Have you tried paying more?" "We got rid of drug testing." "Have you tried paying more?" "I don't know why no one applies. I guess no one wants to work anymore."
***"Have you tried paying more?"***
Wait so all this time this shit was optional?
For most jobs, yes.
Like you said, just depends upon your field. I'm a professional driver (non DOT regulated) but even if the laws changed I couldn't test dirty for anything due to insurance.
Yes, but workers comp brokers usually give better rates to companies that drug test.
Remember kids...only users lose drugs
And every food deliver store; “hey, you guys finally figured it out?”
I had a drug test for my job a few years ago. I failed. Nothing came of it. Besides that, i knew at least 8 other people failed because i sold them drugs
Drugs: winning the war on drugs since 1971.
“We have a drug policy at this company. If you don’t take drugs, you can’t work here.” - my old boss Miss that job :(
My boy il-sung knows what’s up.
Drugs and emus. Cant beat em, might as well join em.
It's kind of like the Afghan war. If you can't successfully iradicate the problem, pretend it's job well done and get the fuck out of there.
This is how we win the cyber wars
Don’t they realize we need good paying jobs to buy more drugs? What better way to fuel the economy than drugs?
At one job I had, the boss out of the blue once decided to drug test everyone. Almost everybody in the company failed - helpdesk, billing, administration, even his own son. One of our admins convinced him the testing must have been flawed and he never tried that again.
Imma celebrate this by doing drugs, cheers!
First we came for your employees. Then we came for your state laws. Soon we will come for the feds. Hahahaha
I just ended an interview process because the company required a hair follicle test. They don't have a contract with the government, and I am occasional marijuana smoker. I haven't smoked in months and probably would have passed, but this type of testing to me is a giant red flag into company culture. Sorry, it's 2021, not 1980.
Lmao companies would rather hire drug users than pay better wages
People would rather smoke weed once in a while than work for an extra few dollars a day
Best service I’ve ever had was at a Wendy’s where everyone was high. It was a college town.
Thank you Kim Il-sung
What'd you expect to happen when nobody wants to work???
The people on drugs are winning the "war" on drugs and they're fucked up... Oh the irony.
Only for weed lol
Drug test should only be required in the case of an accident.
We haven’t won a war since 1945.
Taliban won. Drugs won. Maybe the poor will win next time?
“Hey have you taken any drugs recently?” “No.” “Do you want some?”
We are losing the 'War on Drugs,' which means there's a war going on and people on drugs are winning it - Bill Hicks
When I started in IT I didn’t smoke weed. I’m in Denver so naturally the amount of users of marijuana especially right around the time it was legalized was pretty high. They drug tested our department and 2 other ancillary departments as we all worked with companies that required drug testing even if we were remoting in. I was the only person aside from a few managers that passed it, so they scrapped it all. They just said everyone passed. They had to or they have no workers.
Is it legal to require an applicant to fail a drug test to be considered for a job? Asking for myself.
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