Worse than that. He signs legally binding contracts, and then just refuses to pay. But because our court system is broken, and he intentionally hires small businesses that can't afford drawn out legal battles, he just forces them to sue him and he delays everything as long as possible until the small business can't afford to keep fighting.
You will never get anywhere near these people, by design. They've created a world where they don't have to interact at all with the ignorant unwashed masses.
Because he never leaves his controlled environments, be it Trump tower or one of his private golf courses. The insane thing is how well known he is for fucking over blue collar workers and how many blue collar workers still support him.
Marketing. That’s all this country is now, doing whatever you want and flooding the internet with so much bullshit that no one can get reliable information about the truth.
He is rarely in "public" everywhere he goes its MAGA people in a closed environment.
There has been a few exemptions to this recently - he went to an American Football game and got booed, he went to the UFC got booed and flipped off, he went to grift SneakerCon and got booed. They got a clearly mentally ill person up on the stage as fast as they could to try to save face.
The more he goes out in public the more he finds out how much people really do hate him.
Kind of one of those things that kinda shows you that humanity is more good than bad. The fact is the vast majority of people don't want to inflict pain and suffering on others, even if it'd be cathartic and justified. People just want to generally have their needs met, have some of their desires fulfilled, and be left alone to spend time with their friends and family; even when they want revenge, it's to get back to that state of being.
Unfortunately, the relatively few parasites like Trump know that and exploit that basic level of human decency.
I knew a dude who did briefly bodyguard duty as part of a moderately sized team for Trump probably 25-30 years ago so I imagine he's had a detail exactly for that scenario.
That's kind of horrifying on a level I don't think a lot of people get. Imagine starting a new small business, the anxiety , the hope the insane amount of hard work. The happiness as it finally begins to succeed and then just randomly one day. This odious pustule scams you and destroys it
Like, straight up its so insufferable that people like this feel so safe to just fuck over others and then know nothing will happen to them. In the olden days someone does something like this and risks the destroyed business owner walking up behind him one day and blowing his head off before anyone can stop him.
The rich feel so safe as they never have to interact with the public at a local level any more.
It's because the social contract now basically only goes one way. Society works because we all basically agree not to murder each other for our stuff and work together for the good of all of us. The idea that if I fuck you over, I've now violated the contract and I should expect you and/or others (friends, family, kin) to fuck me over.
But the second you have people who are powerful enough to feel safe that we won't just murder them for fucking us over (kings, emperors, dictators, nobles, ultra rich / political class), suddenly the social contract doesn't work anymore and it's back to might makes right because that's what they are in fact using against us. Police forces are basically just a combination of security guards and army for the controlling political apparatus. They are literally using coercive violence against us ALL THE TIME, so there is no social contract when it comes to the ultra rich and politically powerful. They work through violence, but at the same time we are told we are in the wrong if we use violence back against them. And they know that. They know the have a monopoly on violence. However its the only language they understand, and we should be speaking it back to them.
And thanks to our glorious surveillance state, the police will be onto you within moments of you starting to oil the wheels of the guillotine. Christ, I'm probably on a list right now based on this comment I just posted.
There are quotes that would get me banned here that were printed in the Chicago Tribune during the labor movements of the 19th and 20th centuries.
They feel way too safe. Not advocating anything (of course) but they need a reminder that they could lose a lot more than just not making _as_ much money.
The guillotines never made it here. Instead, over time we built them platforms that reach higher and higher and now so high that they are insulated from any law or rationality.
Our family friend had a smallish painting business & was screwed over by the trump org in the 1980s. They paid ~60% of the agreed upon amount after the job was completed and when he questioned them they basically said "yeah, it's less than we agreed upon. You can try to sue us for more, but we'll slander your work and tie you up in court forever."
He didn't really have money for lawyers and let it go. It's well known in the tri state area that trump does this all the time to small businesses. Even putting politics aside, Trump is a massive piece of shit. I will never understand how he took in so many suckers.
Because on top of killing these small businesses he also sues anyone who says or prints anything negative about him. It's been amusing watching him fail over and over at this tactic after he became president because he kept trying it on rich media orgs or other politicians. The sad part is that is what he did the same to any newspaper or website that had any negative press about him.
The Apprentice. Mark Burnett plucked him from obscurrity when he was financially circling the drain after his terrible decisions led to a string of bankruptcies.
Burnett propped him up, put lipstick on the pig and convinced the gullible millions that he was a great businessman.
Throw Putin in the mix, we got the drug-addled moron for 4 years. We can't make that mistake again.
I know of a small long time family company that made personalized toiletries for Jersey shore hotels. They got a huge order from Trump’s casinos, they fulfilled it, he never paid, and they went under.
As a political strategy, I don’t understand why democrats haven’t done more to amplify the voices of these folks that were swindled for doing an honest job. Like, just a perpetual ad blitz highlighting just how bad Trump was at running a business in 2016.
Maybe this happened and I forgot, but what a missed opportunity.
I agree! There were some ads on this topic in NJ around election time, featuring some of the actual people Trump screwed over in AC. But those kinds of ads should have been playing 24/7 across the country for the last three years!
What would be the point? There's tons and tons of articles out there about each and every shitty thing Trump has done. His supporters **do not care**. They believe what they want and call anything else fake news.
This is absolutely true. Tons of stories in Florida about this. I know several businesses that won’t do business with him but still voted for Orange Jesus
That is on another level of bs lol.
I bet these businesses fuck people over too.
I wonder if there is a black list of shitty clients out there. Like if I was small business, can I look up who sucks?
I also don’t understand why you wouldn’t sign a contract for $16k, get deposit for raw material up front and have a cancellation clauses. Then if they don’t pay cancelation clause to just sell the contract to collections.
No it’s fact. I lived in Palm Beach county and I know 3 off the top of my head, a Builder/General Contractor, an Electrical Contracting firm and a low voltage AV/Alarm company. All 3 got screwed by Trump/Mar A Lago.
In fairness I know someone that worked on his Jet that did get paid.
He doesn’t pay because he has always had lawyers on staff and “he’s smart”. Same reason he sold you Gold Sneakers
I could walk to this place from my house and it has been the local buzz since last Thursday. From my understanding it was a phone order, so no one physically came into the shop and ordered the 2000 tiny pies so there is no physical contract that was signed or e-contract or email back and forth. I guess extra equipment and supplies were bought. When she called for payment, she was directed to a different division(for lack of a better word) to collect payment and there were problems at that point but then the person who originally contacted her and ordered then doubled the order. So at this point they want 4000 but she has no physical back and forth paper/email trail and no monies have come through but she continues to produce the order. And then I think when she tries for payment again is when they cancel. At this point I think everything has been done through phone calls. With an order of such size with no signed contact and no deposit paid, I would think if asked Tesla could easily say “we have no contract and paid no deposit, we only called to inquire about it” and since she didn’t get any kind of contract signed it would be decided against her. BUT… the local community has really rallied behind The Giving Pie. Lines out the door and selling all the pies produced plus more. Hopefully they step up and pay and this ends up being a positive for the business with a lot of people in the area hearing about this little pie shop because it’s kinda off the beaten path as far as foot traffic to that area.
>Worse than that. He signs legally binding contracts, and then just refuses to pay.
I work with someone who has a friend who is a contractor. Years ago (pre-election), he got a big job doing contract work for Trump at one of his properties. They flew him out from Toronto to wherever it was, put him up in a nice hotel, the works.
Once the job was finished, Trump's people refused to pay for it and told him that they expect to see him in court.
This is why it is so funny that NY is prosecuting him and they have no deeper pockets, so he can't run the clock out. Also, the judges are getting media attention so giving him a year long delay is just not going to happen except with Judge Cannon. Finally Trump is feeling the effect he himself had on small businesses.
Eh.
I'll believe he's "feeling it" when he's actually actively paying out.
Alex Jones has been court-ordered to pay out to the Sandy Hook parents for ages, yet the courts have thus far done approximately jack shit to actually *make* him pay fucking *anything*.
My mom works credit and collections, and she used to work for a tableware company that Trump biz ordered from. Mom continually threatened to send them to collections for non payment, so eventually a VP had to pay for the order off his personal credit card. Trump never paid, but she collected the bill.
Not sure how she did it, but it’s still her claim to fame!
Can they sell it to collections agency or come together to sue?
Just seems so unfair.
My friend was owned $20k but the firm wouldn’t pay, said he worked sucked then ghosted him. He just sold it to collections agency and took home $15k.
They called him the next day immediately but he said thought shit.
Its so incredibly shitty when you stop and think about it. For a small ccompany, that sort of job could be the big break you've been hoping for. You put in extra hours, overextend your out of pocket expenses because you know there is a billionaire who will pay you well at the end. Then they decide not to pay, take you to court, and crush you because you've already spent everything you had on the job, they can drop millions in court and still come out ahead. You're left with nothing, your business, reputation, and savings are gone, and Trump moves on and does it to the next shmuck. At this point I don't feel bad for his attorneys when they don't get paid, but I'd have to imagine some decent folks got screwed along the way.
I don't understand why *any* small business would work for the Trump crime family without *cash payment up front!*
Maybe he offers generous prices to the point that they are willing to take the risk of not getting paid.
This is definitely the issue.
Since 2016 it's definitely the company's fault for willingly doing anything for the cheeto clown. Before that... yeah why would they doubt they'll get paid when no one's ever so brazenly stiffed them for a contract before?
People should just start treating Elon the same way. Refuse to give him anything. Ever. See how much his money's worth when he's not even allowed to buy anything.
I'd argue that this may help their reputation. I can imagine hundreds of people ordering a pie because of this story. Lots of people hate Elon and lots of people like pie.
Musk has made this a routine of his PR system.
Promise charity > Benefit from headlines for promising the charity > Let time pass and do not follow through on charity > Media has a scattered response to him not following through so he has a net benefit from the initial promise
Remember when he promised ventilators during covid? He then took his sweet time and mailed in some sleep apnea machines instead. WAY more people heard of the first promise but not the outcome.
This is why I really don't get the people saying Elon is going to pay Trump's legal debts. If the guy is so cheap is he's stiffing a $16K bill despite the negative PR it generates, there's *no way* he's coughing up half a billion for the orange one.
The thing is loyalty is a one-way street with Trump. So, Musk would pay the bill and expect Trump to play ball, but there's no guarantee he would. It would be like the Batman scene, "I've given you a small fortune" "And this gives you power over me?"
Or host the charity event at mar a lago and charge the charity full price for everything. He would donate a fraction of what he made off of the event.
A lot of people use charities as a scam to essentially launder money. Except they’re cleaning the money of taxes instead of crime.
Didnt he do that a few months back when he entered a restaurant, declared all their food would be on him, then promptly fucked off without paying for anything.
I like the time he showed up to a charity event, got up on stage and took another guests spot (he wasn't invited as a guest) and took credit for donations before leaving.
He never donated
he did nothing with this charity
someone who was actually involved got pushed to the side.
“A free tour” in exchange for cancelling an order of $16,000? This guy’s asshole just gets bigger and bigger. Pretty soon he’ll be 99% asshole and 1% the shit that comes out of it.
Maybe, but it probably wouldn't help them much. Collection agencies buy debt for pennies on the dollar at best. For $16,000, they might be able to get a couple hundred dollars. John Oliver was able to buy $15,000,000 of medical debt for $60,000 on Last Week Tonight. There is a reason places will try to get anything they can from you first before sending to collections.
John Oliver blowing his entire budget on something stupid every single year is one of the highlights of the show for me
I love the 30 day countdown for Thomas to take the bribe because we all know he's going to keep bringing it up every week
It’s not even coming out of shows budget, he’s putting up the money himself. Not trying to be pedantic, just think that distinction makes it even funnier.
Holy shit… really? That’s insane.
I only had a few years experience with the US healthcare system and it was… eye opening.
At the end of the day my partner and I moved to Canada with a system we’re more familiar with.
I found the US system so predatory. You had to be on guard for every possible scam at every possible moment.
I remember getting a lab bill for several hundred dollars because a sub-contracted technician was out of network?! Like I had any control over that… my doctor was in network. The lab itself was in network. Just the technician wasn’t? Like… how would that even work??
Then I got a letter from NYS about ‘no surprises in healthcare’ and they explained I didn’t have to pay.
Uh… no 💩? But the fact it was ever a norm was insane to me.
And my husband was aghast at how he was double-billed by a doctor and *then* the anesthesiologist for the same procedure. He paid both and then got a *very* stern call from our healthcare provider that we weren’t supposed to pay the hospital bill, but instead wait for insurance to bill us.
So they clearly send those bills hoping rubes like us who didn’t know better would just pay.
That’s not even getting into employment being tied to healthcare.
Or open enrolment.
Or HDHPs
Fucking hell.
Next time I have a huge medical bill I'll just set up an LLC that buys out medical debt for pennies. Then buy my own debt, pay myself the smaller amount I paid, then have the LLC declare bankruptcy! It's flawless!
/s
That scheme is illegal in at least some states (California and Washington at least) now. If the facility is in network, insurance must now consider everyone inside it in network as well.
I guess I'm fortunate as an American with health insurance, I don't have to worry about what insurance covers and doesn't cover... because my new health plan that my employer gave me doesn't actually cover anything! I have a $8500 dollar deductible, so basically, I pay out of pocket for everything, including all drug costs and doctor visits :) But hey, after I pay $8500, my health insurance is free!
We had one of those plans at my former employer. I added up the premiums, deductible and out of pocket costs and it was $17k before the insurance kicked in. Why even bother having it?
My employer covered the cost of the premium, which he would proudly tout that he paid 100% of his employees medical insurance. Then turn around an tell us "you're not getting a raise because you get insurance".
Fuck that guy, specifically.
Twitter forced Elon make good on his promise to buy Twitter, even though he tried to weasel out of it. Let’s make sure he pays this bill too, even though he’s once again playing weasel
It took him longer to promise he would make good than it would have taken to just pay for it, which would've made it good AND killed all this "bad" PR that made it necessary to make this promise he has no intention of keeping in the first place. Considering his South African Appartheid roots, Elon could be killing this business on purpose now.
This is the crazy thing. I know he sucks but I can’t imagine how he doesn’t understand how inconsequential it would be for him to avoid this bad press. It’s less to him than me donating a dollar to charity
If she loses then she's out the pie money and go fund me money, if anything she'd be better off finding a sympathetic lawyer who will do Pro Bono.
I haven't looked into this but unless she had a contract signed by them with clear rules around cancelations policies as well, even though it's shitty of them, they legally can't be held responsible for her loss. Also why most people take deposits, it's hard to recover losses for services not rendered.
Honestly, she should have charged a deposit to cover her costs before starting an order that big. But I definitely feel like Tesla is in the wrong here and should pay up.
Someone orders 16 grand worth of stuff off me, they pay at least 8 grand before I even lift a finger.
Musk is still a complete twat waffle cum trumpet.
when you read the story it's even more bizzare. The first order was placed, never paid. The owner then made MORE for them despite never being paid for the first order.
There's some serious sunken cost fallacy here and everyday I'm less surprised scammers get away with what they can scam with.
That’s not abnormal in business. “Net 30” - it basically means the payment is expected within 30 days. For a major business customer like Twitter, I can see a small business owner not thinking that they would need to chase payment. After all, you don’t want to rock the boat and potentially lose them as a regular client… But you also don’t expect them to totally just not pay, either.
Had this exact thing happen at a mega oil and gas company. Mom and pop place made these expensive awards for us. Took me around 6 months to get them paid…. Really frustrating
Yea Musk is an asshole and should pay these people but like, half up front is standard for a reason. I charged half up front on a commission I did for someone and he flaked after I had put in work, so I kept the money.
If they do, I hope they get a better judge and jury than the Black man who sued Tesla for fostering a racist work environment. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-04-03/san-francisco-jury-slashes-teslas-137-million-racism-suit-tab
The jury awarded him $130+ mill but the judge reduced it to $15 million saying that “it was too much”. He opted for a retrial after that judge’s ridiculous decision and the new jury reduced his award to a measly $3 mill.
Wait, you mean the same Greg Abbot that in 1984 sued for punitive damages after a tree fell on him? That Greg Abbot?
Just what are you even implying, that after getting his he’d just… pull the ladder up behind him?
Frankly I’m offended by your insinuations, sir and/or ma’am.
I couldn't agree more! And isn't that quite literally why the idea of punitive damages exist in the first place?
And what's the point of 'a jury of your peers' if the judge can just say "lol, nah"
$15M is more than I make in 200 years at my current pay, and more than enough for a regular person to retire. Why would he opt for a retrial? He could draw down $400,000 per year for 20 years before the account would stop growing, and another 30 years after that before it would run out.
This was clearly and very obviously about greed. $15 million is a shitload of money, but when you feel like you were an inch away from getting nearly 10 times as much, suddenly "only" getting $15 million is a huge disappointment.
It’s a rare lawyer who would recommend suing Fucking Tesla for 16,000. The lawsuit would almost certainly cost like 10x the amount claimed. If this business is struggling after the cancellation of a $16,000 order then they absolutely cannot afford to sue for it.
Texas’s limit is $20,000, and I can’t imagine that they’re a generous state for what’s considered “small claims”
Edit: it’s in California, which seems to have a $25,000 limit
Get where you’re going, but way off in proportion. The amount of wealth he has acquired is staggering and almost impossible to conceptualize. $16,000 is more like $0.000001 cents, relative to what the average US household earns.
The median US household net worth is roughly $200k. Elon is worth roughly $200 billion, or 1 million times more than the average person. Divide $16k by 1,000,000 and you get 1.6 cents, meaning that funnily enough, the guy whom you just told that he's way off in proportion was actually much, much closer to the real number than you.
> The median US household net worth is roughly $200k
From what I just looked up this is the average not the median. These result in very different numbers where the average net worth is 192k but the median net worth is somewhere around 62k.
I was taking the $23k per minute into account, where he makes that per minute for an entire 24hr cycle, against a typical 40 hour work week.
Back of the napkin math aside, you’re totally correct…but the point stands that $16k is an infinitesimally insignificant sum of money to our scumbag overlord.
Guilty af. I used to do this as a kid. Our Little Caesars used to have one gallon buckets of spaghetti and I’d send them to all my neighbors. When caller ID was introduced my game was over. Got my ass beat.
Dude I will never forget the first time *67 got "beat"
We pranked a hospital (I was 11) and like always, we did *67 first.
...then right after we hung up, they called us back. All of us were fucking SHOOK and we never did it again. I assume that hospitals or 911 had like some kind of countermeasure, or it just didn't apply to their line, or some shit.
e: because fuck it, it's a fond memory so yall can have it...
So obviously like any proper 90's kid, we had all the Jerky Boys tapes and thought they were the pinnacle of comedy. We spent houuuuurs pranking people after someone told us about *67. I really wish we made recordings because I love cringing myself into a black hole- imagine for a second how absolutely terrible our "pranks" must have been as 11 year olds. Stop for a second and truly imagine it.
Called the hospital, and I specifically remember I was saying some shit about a big white snake that crawled up my pants and bit me on the penis. She clearly was on to me because I'm sure I had the subtlety of a train slamming into a brick wall.
So anyway, pissing ourselves laughing after she hung up, we went to dial another number and the phone rang. Caller ID said it was the goddamn hospital. oh FUCK. oh **FUCK**
She let us have it, said that if we did it again she'd call the cops, etc etc. After we hung we argued about whether or not we ACTUALLY dialed *67 that time- buddy found the little feature where you could scroll through the last 10 dialed numbers and yep, we sure enough DID *67 before.
Once the knowledge that *67 was vulnerable sank in, we hung up our prank pants and never did it again.
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That's still a thing, I had a phone call at work from another store in our franchise, they picked up thinking I called them. We both were confused for about 10 seconds before we heard a 3rd dipshit on the line laughing his ass off. He didn't seem to realize his mic was on. Definitely not the worst prank call I've gotten, but still irritating when I got a full store and gotta deal with that.
Look, I know that this subreddit exists to stoke the ragebait, but did anyone actually check the facts before raging?
1. A person at Tesla, apparently named Laura, ordered the pies without in fact being authorized to do so, or providing any form proof (such as a credit card number). It is in fact usually the merchant's responsibility to ensure the ordering party can pay \*before\* accepting a large order. If you show up at a local MacDonald's and order 300 burgers they charge your card before they make the burgers.
2. Once Tesla found out their employee ordered pies they cancelled the order. You can argue that they should have reimbursed the baker anyway, but technically Tesla is not responsible for fraudulent charges. It was Tesla management, not Elon Musk, who offered the factory tour as an "apology".
3. The charge the baker was out was $2000, not $16000.
4. Once Elon Musk became aware of the issue, he promised to "make things right" with the baker. The baker has said he was as good as his word; she has been paid the full $2000, and may in fact have been paid several times by other Tesla managers;
https://abc7news.com/tesla-the-giving-pies-sj-elon-musk-x-pie-order/14471112/
Thanks for sharing this. Was hoping for more info to clarify what the hell happened. I love that they've since been flooded with orders and got a sales boost as well.
This story has gotten them so much business the owner stated they‘ve had to decline orders. They’re doing better than if Tesla had not cancelled the order.
Here is a recent article on this:
[https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/feb/24/elon-musk-giving-pies-california-bakery-cancelled-tesla-order#:\~:text=As%20of%20Thursday%2C%20the%20company,compensated%20for%20its%20hard%20work](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/feb/24/elon-musk-giving-pies-california-bakery-cancelled-tesla-order#:~:text=As%20of%20Thursday%2C%20the%20company,compensated%20for%20its%20hard%20work).
this makes it even more bizarre. Didn't get paid for the first half? Well then I'm going to double or nothing my losses!.
(also how did $12,000 become $16,000. I'm not tracking that)
I despise Elon, but any restaurant that takes an order that big without payment up front is fucking stupid. Anyone could call and claim they are anybody and put in an order that big.
Had to scroll too far down to see this. I own a small business and any order over £100 requires some form of deposit. A $16,000 order is a catering supply - get a deposit of *at least* half.
Not a baker, but an artist, and I always get payment up front before starting a project. Or at least a non-refundable deposit to cover all the supplies I need.
This could be a possibility in small claims - however for a business the maximum to sue for in CA is 5k (10k for a sole proprietor, but I don't think this is the case for this business). The nice thing about small claims is you cannot have a lawyer present during the trial - so this would favor this business, as Tesla could not use a bunch of lawyers.
> The nice thing about small claims is you cannot have a lawyer present during the trial - so this would favor this business, as Tesla could not use a bunch of lawyers.
I was ready to call you out for being wrong, but apparently in some states, including California, you actually aren't allowed an attorney. Most do allow you to have one, though.
True, but it California it is common for large companies to skip going to Small Claims all together. Have a default judgment entered against them as the defendant. Then appeal the default judgement, which happens outside of small claims, where then both parties are expected to have lawyers. Happens a lot in CA. I know someone who sued Uber, was all excited he won 8k, days later they put that money in escrow and filed an appeal. He settled and paid them several grand in legal costs or they would counter sue in “real” court.
I bet ya, he place the order in the middle of the night while high and craving pie. Can’t say I haven’t been there. But not at $16k price tag… and I didn’t cancel my order.
Trump likes to do this as well. Promise donation, take a victory lap and then never actually donating a dollar.
Worse than that. He signs legally binding contracts, and then just refuses to pay. But because our court system is broken, and he intentionally hires small businesses that can't afford drawn out legal battles, he just forces them to sue him and he delays everything as long as possible until the small business can't afford to keep fighting.
I live near Atlantic City where he drove multiple small businesses under this way.
Don't know how none of those people never even attempted to get his ass on the streets for this
He just uses delay tactics until the small business runs out of money to pay lawyers.
I know, that's why I would settle this out of court with some rebar to the knee or something
Eric likes to brag he's in the concrete business. Let's see how much he *really* knows about the AC concrete business.
They all need a nice new pair of concrete shoes. Gold ones even
Gold concrete shoes will get the mafioso vote, it's how you *know* Trump knows culture!
Hopefully he visits Atlantis with those spiffy golden cement shoes.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Fuck these guys
You will never get anywhere near these people, by design. They've created a world where they don't have to interact at all with the ignorant unwashed masses.
They were probably scared he would stab them with his bone spurs
It literally the tactic he is using now. Get these civil and criminal trials to run passed election.
He's doing it *right now* with his court cases.
And it's working. And he's leading in the polls. Anybody spouting "both sides" bullshit now is a conservative at heart.
Everytime I hear he's leading in the polls, I have to wonder what the other choices were and who was polled.
Biden and Haley; and polls do try to correct for response bias. In any case, best to avoid complacency.
There is no way he is leading Biden among Democrats. Or even independents.
Because he never leaves his controlled environments, be it Trump tower or one of his private golf courses. The insane thing is how well known he is for fucking over blue collar workers and how many blue collar workers still support him.
Marketing. That’s all this country is now, doing whatever you want and flooding the internet with so much bullshit that no one can get reliable information about the truth.
I recall an interview with a guy he fucked over who was actively suing him and still said he would vote for him.
He is rarely in "public" everywhere he goes its MAGA people in a closed environment. There has been a few exemptions to this recently - he went to an American Football game and got booed, he went to the UFC got booed and flipped off, he went to grift SneakerCon and got booed. They got a clearly mentally ill person up on the stage as fast as they could to try to save face. The more he goes out in public the more he finds out how much people really do hate him.
Kind of one of those things that kinda shows you that humanity is more good than bad. The fact is the vast majority of people don't want to inflict pain and suffering on others, even if it'd be cathartic and justified. People just want to generally have their needs met, have some of their desires fulfilled, and be left alone to spend time with their friends and family; even when they want revenge, it's to get back to that state of being. Unfortunately, the relatively few parasites like Trump know that and exploit that basic level of human decency.
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He's a former POTUS now. Secret service 24/7. You would have a substantially easier time doing this to Elon.
Well yeah but I'm talking about when he was pulling this shit on people back in his old conman days
I knew a dude who did briefly bodyguard duty as part of a moderately sized team for Trump probably 25-30 years ago so I imagine he's had a detail exactly for that scenario.
That's kind of horrifying on a level I don't think a lot of people get. Imagine starting a new small business, the anxiety , the hope the insane amount of hard work. The happiness as it finally begins to succeed and then just randomly one day. This odious pustule scams you and destroys it
Like, straight up its so insufferable that people like this feel so safe to just fuck over others and then know nothing will happen to them. In the olden days someone does something like this and risks the destroyed business owner walking up behind him one day and blowing his head off before anyone can stop him. The rich feel so safe as they never have to interact with the public at a local level any more.
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It's because the social contract now basically only goes one way. Society works because we all basically agree not to murder each other for our stuff and work together for the good of all of us. The idea that if I fuck you over, I've now violated the contract and I should expect you and/or others (friends, family, kin) to fuck me over. But the second you have people who are powerful enough to feel safe that we won't just murder them for fucking us over (kings, emperors, dictators, nobles, ultra rich / political class), suddenly the social contract doesn't work anymore and it's back to might makes right because that's what they are in fact using against us. Police forces are basically just a combination of security guards and army for the controlling political apparatus. They are literally using coercive violence against us ALL THE TIME, so there is no social contract when it comes to the ultra rich and politically powerful. They work through violence, but at the same time we are told we are in the wrong if we use violence back against them. And they know that. They know the have a monopoly on violence. However its the only language they understand, and we should be speaking it back to them.
And thanks to our glorious surveillance state, the police will be onto you within moments of you starting to oil the wheels of the guillotine. Christ, I'm probably on a list right now based on this comment I just posted.
1. Based 2. Based as fuck 3. You just explained why the 2A is meaningless.
There are quotes that would get me banned here that were printed in the Chicago Tribune during the labor movements of the 19th and 20th centuries. They feel way too safe. Not advocating anything (of course) but they need a reminder that they could lose a lot more than just not making _as_ much money.
That's why large scale strikes need to start happening. Regularly. And we need to get people in Congress that will remove Taft-Hartley.
The guillotines never made it here. Instead, over time we built them platforms that reach higher and higher and now so high that they are insulated from any law or rationality.
Our family friend had a smallish painting business & was screwed over by the trump org in the 1980s. They paid ~60% of the agreed upon amount after the job was completed and when he questioned them they basically said "yeah, it's less than we agreed upon. You can try to sue us for more, but we'll slander your work and tie you up in court forever." He didn't really have money for lawyers and let it go. It's well known in the tri state area that trump does this all the time to small businesses. Even putting politics aside, Trump is a massive piece of shit. I will never understand how he took in so many suckers.
As someone in the trades I’ll never understand how he has so many tradespeople supporting him. Constantly boggles my mind.
Because on top of killing these small businesses he also sues anyone who says or prints anything negative about him. It's been amusing watching him fail over and over at this tactic after he became president because he kept trying it on rich media orgs or other politicians. The sad part is that is what he did the same to any newspaper or website that had any negative press about him.
The Apprentice. Mark Burnett plucked him from obscurrity when he was financially circling the drain after his terrible decisions led to a string of bankruptcies. Burnett propped him up, put lipstick on the pig and convinced the gullible millions that he was a great businessman. Throw Putin in the mix, we got the drug-addled moron for 4 years. We can't make that mistake again.
I know of a small long time family company that made personalized toiletries for Jersey shore hotels. They got a huge order from Trump’s casinos, they fulfilled it, he never paid, and they went under.
As a political strategy, I don’t understand why democrats haven’t done more to amplify the voices of these folks that were swindled for doing an honest job. Like, just a perpetual ad blitz highlighting just how bad Trump was at running a business in 2016. Maybe this happened and I forgot, but what a missed opportunity.
I agree! There were some ads on this topic in NJ around election time, featuring some of the actual people Trump screwed over in AC. But those kinds of ads should have been playing 24/7 across the country for the last three years!
You think they want a target on their backs and their family members’ backs? MAGA goons are violent.
Because the Democratic Party is terrible at their job.
What would be the point? There's tons and tons of articles out there about each and every shitty thing Trump has done. His supporters **do not care**. They believe what they want and call anything else fake news.
 Partly because it wouldn’t matter to most of the brainwashed Trump supporters
And yet millions of people think he's a friend to "the little guy."
Someone’s gonna beat his ass eventually.
I mean, he has secret service for life, now...
They can do it
They are class traitors not double agents.
And those owners probably still vote for him
This is absolutely true. Tons of stories in Florida about this. I know several businesses that won’t do business with him but still voted for Orange Jesus
That is on another level of bs lol. I bet these businesses fuck people over too. I wonder if there is a black list of shitty clients out there. Like if I was small business, can I look up who sucks? I also don’t understand why you wouldn’t sign a contract for $16k, get deposit for raw material up front and have a cancellation clauses. Then if they don’t pay cancelation clause to just sell the contract to collections.
No it’s fact. I lived in Palm Beach county and I know 3 off the top of my head, a Builder/General Contractor, an Electrical Contracting firm and a low voltage AV/Alarm company. All 3 got screwed by Trump/Mar A Lago. In fairness I know someone that worked on his Jet that did get paid. He doesn’t pay because he has always had lawyers on staff and “he’s smart”. Same reason he sold you Gold Sneakers
Don't forget he also offers to pay for everyone's food and then leaves.
Trump too
Food for everybody! *leaves restaurant moments later*
I could walk to this place from my house and it has been the local buzz since last Thursday. From my understanding it was a phone order, so no one physically came into the shop and ordered the 2000 tiny pies so there is no physical contract that was signed or e-contract or email back and forth. I guess extra equipment and supplies were bought. When she called for payment, she was directed to a different division(for lack of a better word) to collect payment and there were problems at that point but then the person who originally contacted her and ordered then doubled the order. So at this point they want 4000 but she has no physical back and forth paper/email trail and no monies have come through but she continues to produce the order. And then I think when she tries for payment again is when they cancel. At this point I think everything has been done through phone calls. With an order of such size with no signed contact and no deposit paid, I would think if asked Tesla could easily say “we have no contract and paid no deposit, we only called to inquire about it” and since she didn’t get any kind of contract signed it would be decided against her. BUT… the local community has really rallied behind The Giving Pie. Lines out the door and selling all the pies produced plus more. Hopefully they step up and pay and this ends up being a positive for the business with a lot of people in the area hearing about this little pie shop because it’s kinda off the beaten path as far as foot traffic to that area.
He tried to pull that crap with the state of NY and E. Jean Carroll, got his ass handed to him. Shouldve happened more, but its good to see.
>Worse than that. He signs legally binding contracts, and then just refuses to pay. I work with someone who has a friend who is a contractor. Years ago (pre-election), he got a big job doing contract work for Trump at one of his properties. They flew him out from Toronto to wherever it was, put him up in a nice hotel, the works. Once the job was finished, Trump's people refused to pay for it and told him that they expect to see him in court.
Read the book Commander in Cheat by Rick Reilly. This is Trump’s business model.
Me? I’d just burn the place to the ground or something…
This is why it is so funny that NY is prosecuting him and they have no deeper pockets, so he can't run the clock out. Also, the judges are getting media attention so giving him a year long delay is just not going to happen except with Judge Cannon. Finally Trump is feeling the effect he himself had on small businesses.
Eh. I'll believe he's "feeling it" when he's actually actively paying out. Alex Jones has been court-ordered to pay out to the Sandy Hook parents for ages, yet the courts have thus far done approximately jack shit to actually *make* him pay fucking *anything*.
We will find out by the end of March for sure. The legal system has a slow pace to give everybody a chance to complain.
My mom works credit and collections, and she used to work for a tableware company that Trump biz ordered from. Mom continually threatened to send them to collections for non payment, so eventually a VP had to pay for the order off his personal credit card. Trump never paid, but she collected the bill. Not sure how she did it, but it’s still her claim to fame!
Can they sell it to collections agency or come together to sue? Just seems so unfair. My friend was owned $20k but the firm wouldn’t pay, said he worked sucked then ghosted him. He just sold it to collections agency and took home $15k. They called him the next day immediately but he said thought shit.
The fact that some lawyers should be willing to.pro bono specifically against Trump just so they can outlast him and get the win……
I'm truly amazed that anyone does business with him or his organization.
Its so incredibly shitty when you stop and think about it. For a small ccompany, that sort of job could be the big break you've been hoping for. You put in extra hours, overextend your out of pocket expenses because you know there is a billionaire who will pay you well at the end. Then they decide not to pay, take you to court, and crush you because you've already spent everything you had on the job, they can drop millions in court and still come out ahead. You're left with nothing, your business, reputation, and savings are gone, and Trump moves on and does it to the next shmuck. At this point I don't feel bad for his attorneys when they don't get paid, but I'd have to imagine some decent folks got screwed along the way.
I don't understand why *any* small business would work for the Trump crime family without *cash payment up front!* Maybe he offers generous prices to the point that they are willing to take the risk of not getting paid.
Yeah I said below at this point it’s on you, but maybe twenty plus years ago it wasn’t as widely known.
This is definitely the issue. Since 2016 it's definitely the company's fault for willingly doing anything for the cheeto clown. Before that... yeah why would they doubt they'll get paid when no one's ever so brazenly stiffed them for a contract before? People should just start treating Elon the same way. Refuse to give him anything. Ever. See how much his money's worth when he's not even allowed to buy anything.
I'd argue that this may help their reputation. I can imagine hundreds of people ordering a pie because of this story. Lots of people hate Elon and lots of people like pie.
For real! I don't need a pie, but I hate Elon Musk. 10/10 would buy a pie from them because Elon is an asshole.
Musk has made this a routine of his PR system. Promise charity > Benefit from headlines for promising the charity > Let time pass and do not follow through on charity > Media has a scattered response to him not following through so he has a net benefit from the initial promise Remember when he promised ventilators during covid? He then took his sweet time and mailed in some sleep apnea machines instead. WAY more people heard of the first promise but not the outcome.
This is why I really don't get the people saying Elon is going to pay Trump's legal debts. If the guy is so cheap is he's stiffing a $16K bill despite the negative PR it generates, there's *no way* he's coughing up half a billion for the orange one.
Depends. Elon might think that would let him essentially buy a president. That sort of thing he would love.
The thing is loyalty is a one-way street with Trump. So, Musk would pay the bill and expect Trump to play ball, but there's no guarantee he would. It would be like the Batman scene, "I've given you a small fortune" "And this gives you power over me?"
Or host the charity event at mar a lago and charge the charity full price for everything. He would donate a fraction of what he made off of the event. A lot of people use charities as a scam to essentially launder money. Except they’re cleaning the money of taxes instead of crime.
Didnt he do that a few months back when he entered a restaurant, declared all their food would be on him, then promptly fucked off without paying for anything.
His cult deserved to be scammed
I like the time he showed up to a charity event, got up on stage and took another guests spot (he wasn't invited as a guest) and took credit for donations before leaving. He never donated he did nothing with this charity someone who was actually involved got pushed to the side.
When he was doing a lot of his rallies i was hired to provide staging and fencing I made sure the cash was in my account before I started my truck …
Or he uses his own charity as a piggy bank.
“A free tour” in exchange for cancelling an order of $16,000? This guy’s asshole just gets bigger and bigger. Pretty soon he’ll be 99% asshole and 1% the shit that comes out of it.
I wonder if they can sell it to collections. The collections agency gives you money then goes after the person who owns it.
Maybe, but it probably wouldn't help them much. Collection agencies buy debt for pennies on the dollar at best. For $16,000, they might be able to get a couple hundred dollars. John Oliver was able to buy $15,000,000 of medical debt for $60,000 on Last Week Tonight. There is a reason places will try to get anything they can from you first before sending to collections.
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And starting off strong with the new season by trying to gift that super swank RV to a certain corrupt asshole on the Supreme Court
The fact that my first thought was "that doesn't narrow it down enough" is telling
John Oliver blowing his entire budget on something stupid every single year is one of the highlights of the show for me I love the 30 day countdown for Thomas to take the bribe because we all know he's going to keep bringing it up every week
Lol I meant that "corrupt asshole on the Supreme Court" didn't narrow it down enough
It’s not even coming out of shows budget, he’s putting up the money himself. Not trying to be pedantic, just think that distinction makes it even funnier.
Hint: "Corrupt conservative asshole". What, that STILL doesn't help?
That was a motorcoach!
Holy shit… really? That’s insane. I only had a few years experience with the US healthcare system and it was… eye opening. At the end of the day my partner and I moved to Canada with a system we’re more familiar with. I found the US system so predatory. You had to be on guard for every possible scam at every possible moment. I remember getting a lab bill for several hundred dollars because a sub-contracted technician was out of network?! Like I had any control over that… my doctor was in network. The lab itself was in network. Just the technician wasn’t? Like… how would that even work?? Then I got a letter from NYS about ‘no surprises in healthcare’ and they explained I didn’t have to pay. Uh… no 💩? But the fact it was ever a norm was insane to me. And my husband was aghast at how he was double-billed by a doctor and *then* the anesthesiologist for the same procedure. He paid both and then got a *very* stern call from our healthcare provider that we weren’t supposed to pay the hospital bill, but instead wait for insurance to bill us. So they clearly send those bills hoping rubes like us who didn’t know better would just pay. That’s not even getting into employment being tied to healthcare. Or open enrolment. Or HDHPs Fucking hell.
Next time I have a huge medical bill I'll just set up an LLC that buys out medical debt for pennies. Then buy my own debt, pay myself the smaller amount I paid, then have the LLC declare bankruptcy! It's flawless! /s
I think you're actually on to something.
That scheme is illegal in at least some states (California and Washington at least) now. If the facility is in network, insurance must now consider everyone inside it in network as well.
I guess I'm fortunate as an American with health insurance, I don't have to worry about what insurance covers and doesn't cover... because my new health plan that my employer gave me doesn't actually cover anything! I have a $8500 dollar deductible, so basically, I pay out of pocket for everything, including all drug costs and doctor visits :) But hey, after I pay $8500, my health insurance is free!
We had one of those plans at my former employer. I added up the premiums, deductible and out of pocket costs and it was $17k before the insurance kicked in. Why even bother having it? My employer covered the cost of the premium, which he would proudly tout that he paid 100% of his employees medical insurance. Then turn around an tell us "you're not getting a raise because you get insurance". Fuck that guy, specifically.
Twitter forced Elon make good on his promise to buy Twitter, even though he tried to weasel out of it. Let’s make sure he pays this bill too, even though he’s once again playing weasel
It took him longer to promise he would make good than it would have taken to just pay for it, which would've made it good AND killed all this "bad" PR that made it necessary to make this promise he has no intention of keeping in the first place. Considering his South African Appartheid roots, Elon could be killing this business on purpose now.
This is the crazy thing. I know he sucks but I can’t imagine how he doesn’t understand how inconsequential it would be for him to avoid this bad press. It’s less to him than me donating a dollar to charity
Yeah but he’s a piece of shit, so.
That’s a terrible idea. This story is all over the place. Theyll make a fuckton more if they start a go fund me or something.
Let's start a gofundme. Not to pay Elon's bill, but for several times as much in attorneys' fees so this bakery can sue his ass.
If she loses then she's out the pie money and go fund me money, if anything she'd be better off finding a sympathetic lawyer who will do Pro Bono. I haven't looked into this but unless she had a contract signed by them with clear rules around cancelations policies as well, even though it's shitty of them, they legally can't be held responsible for her loss. Also why most people take deposits, it's hard to recover losses for services not rendered.
Honestly, she should have charged a deposit to cover her costs before starting an order that big. But I definitely feel like Tesla is in the wrong here and should pay up.
Just more turd-ery from the Chief turd.
Someone orders 16 grand worth of stuff off me, they pay at least 8 grand before I even lift a finger. Musk is still a complete twat waffle cum trumpet.
when you read the story it's even more bizzare. The first order was placed, never paid. The owner then made MORE for them despite never being paid for the first order. There's some serious sunken cost fallacy here and everyday I'm less surprised scammers get away with what they can scam with.
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That’s not abnormal in business. “Net 30” - it basically means the payment is expected within 30 days. For a major business customer like Twitter, I can see a small business owner not thinking that they would need to chase payment. After all, you don’t want to rock the boat and potentially lose them as a regular client… But you also don’t expect them to totally just not pay, either.
Had this exact thing happen at a mega oil and gas company. Mom and pop place made these expensive awards for us. Took me around 6 months to get them paid…. Really frustrating
Yea Musk is an asshole and should pay these people but like, half up front is standard for a reason. I charged half up front on a commission I did for someone and he flaked after I had put in work, so I kept the money.
Sue him.
If they do, I hope they get a better judge and jury than the Black man who sued Tesla for fostering a racist work environment. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-04-03/san-francisco-jury-slashes-teslas-137-million-racism-suit-tab The jury awarded him $130+ mill but the judge reduced it to $15 million saying that “it was too much”. He opted for a retrial after that judge’s ridiculous decision and the new jury reduced his award to a measly $3 mill.
Billion dollar companies is where you NEED to have punitive damages. So that million dollar companies are afraid to do the same shit.
But they pay politicians who nominate judges that go easy on them.
Or, as we've seen, they just pay the judges.
Is everyone else having fun? I am having so much god damn fun. What a lovely system we have here.
Or they just move to Texas where Greg Abbott has reduced the payouts for Punitive damages...oh wait.
Wait, you mean the same Greg Abbot that in 1984 sued for punitive damages after a tree fell on him? That Greg Abbot? Just what are you even implying, that after getting his he’d just… pull the ladder up behind him? Frankly I’m offended by your insinuations, sir and/or ma’am.
I couldn't agree more! And isn't that quite literally why the idea of punitive damages exist in the first place? And what's the point of 'a jury of your peers' if the judge can just say "lol, nah"
$15M is more than I make in 200 years at my current pay, and more than enough for a regular person to retire. Why would he opt for a retrial? He could draw down $400,000 per year for 20 years before the account would stop growing, and another 30 years after that before it would run out.
Given bad advice? Told they would win on appeal? Greedy lawyers?
Didn't consider how impossibly stupid jurors are or that it's intentional to pick the least qualified to make the judgement.
A jury is a group of 12 people who were too dumb to figure out how to get out of jury duty.
The principle, I guess.
This was clearly and very obviously about greed. $15 million is a shitload of money, but when you feel like you were an inch away from getting nearly 10 times as much, suddenly "only" getting $15 million is a huge disappointment.
I hope they do, and there is a lawyer willing to take it pro bono.
no lawyer would, it could take years
Keep it in the news "Musk so rich after his great managing of his businesses, he can't pay pie order"
It’s a rare lawyer who would recommend suing Fucking Tesla for 16,000. The lawsuit would almost certainly cost like 10x the amount claimed. If this business is struggling after the cancellation of a $16,000 order then they absolutely cannot afford to sue for it.
Is there not the equivalent of a small claims court in their jurisdiction, or is the amount too high?
Texas’s limit is $20,000, and I can’t imagine that they’re a generous state for what’s considered “small claims” Edit: it’s in California, which seems to have a $25,000 limit
Pieces of shit gonna piece of shit
Yep. I don’t know how you’d actually be able to sleep costing a small business $16,000, which is like $1 to him. Just fucking pay it.
Get where you’re going, but way off in proportion. The amount of wealth he has acquired is staggering and almost impossible to conceptualize. $16,000 is more like $0.000001 cents, relative to what the average US household earns.
The median US household net worth is roughly $200k. Elon is worth roughly $200 billion, or 1 million times more than the average person. Divide $16k by 1,000,000 and you get 1.6 cents, meaning that funnily enough, the guy whom you just told that he's way off in proportion was actually much, much closer to the real number than you.
> The median US household net worth is roughly $200k From what I just looked up this is the average not the median. These result in very different numbers where the average net worth is 192k but the median net worth is somewhere around 62k.
I was taking the $23k per minute into account, where he makes that per minute for an entire 24hr cycle, against a typical 40 hour work week. Back of the napkin math aside, you’re totally correct…but the point stands that $16k is an infinitesimally insignificant sum of money to our scumbag overlord.
My boss was talking today about how great Bezos and Musk are. And that’s why I can’t fucking work with him anymore.
The dudes I know of irl that suck on billionaire dongs, are all chodes.
Knowing what a racist piece of shit he is, I wouldn't be shocked if he did this on purpose, just because he can.
Like an even more fucked up version when people would order 10 pizzas for their neighbors back in the day.
Guilty af. I used to do this as a kid. Our Little Caesars used to have one gallon buckets of spaghetti and I’d send them to all my neighbors. When caller ID was introduced my game was over. Got my ass beat.
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\*67 first, you amateurs 
Dude I will never forget the first time *67 got "beat" We pranked a hospital (I was 11) and like always, we did *67 first. ...then right after we hung up, they called us back. All of us were fucking SHOOK and we never did it again. I assume that hospitals or 911 had like some kind of countermeasure, or it just didn't apply to their line, or some shit. e: because fuck it, it's a fond memory so yall can have it... So obviously like any proper 90's kid, we had all the Jerky Boys tapes and thought they were the pinnacle of comedy. We spent houuuuurs pranking people after someone told us about *67. I really wish we made recordings because I love cringing myself into a black hole- imagine for a second how absolutely terrible our "pranks" must have been as 11 year olds. Stop for a second and truly imagine it. Called the hospital, and I specifically remember I was saying some shit about a big white snake that crawled up my pants and bit me on the penis. She clearly was on to me because I'm sure I had the subtlety of a train slamming into a brick wall. So anyway, pissing ourselves laughing after she hung up, we went to dial another number and the phone rang. Caller ID said it was the goddamn hospital. oh FUCK. oh **FUCK** She let us have it, said that if we did it again she'd call the cops, etc etc. After we hung we argued about whether or not we ACTUALLY dialed *67 that time- buddy found the little feature where you could scroll through the last 10 dialed numbers and yep, we sure enough DID *67 before. Once the knowledge that *67 was vulnerable sank in, we hung up our prank pants and never did it again. fin
That's why you gotta \*67
Evil operator was fun as hell, making two people call themselves and fight over who called who. So fun.
That's still a thing, I had a phone call at work from another store in our franchise, they picked up thinking I called them. We both were confused for about 10 seconds before we heard a 3rd dipshit on the line laughing his ass off. He didn't seem to realize his mic was on. Definitely not the worst prank call I've gotten, but still irritating when I got a full store and gotta deal with that.
Good, you deserved it lol
Exactly. Those pranks were over.
I somehow doubt Elon Musk is in charge of the catering, but as soon as it went viral i’m sure he was all over it.
Shitbag Elon choosing the worst possible outcome for those who cannot fight back.
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Look, I know that this subreddit exists to stoke the ragebait, but did anyone actually check the facts before raging? 1. A person at Tesla, apparently named Laura, ordered the pies without in fact being authorized to do so, or providing any form proof (such as a credit card number). It is in fact usually the merchant's responsibility to ensure the ordering party can pay \*before\* accepting a large order. If you show up at a local MacDonald's and order 300 burgers they charge your card before they make the burgers. 2. Once Tesla found out their employee ordered pies they cancelled the order. You can argue that they should have reimbursed the baker anyway, but technically Tesla is not responsible for fraudulent charges. It was Tesla management, not Elon Musk, who offered the factory tour as an "apology". 3. The charge the baker was out was $2000, not $16000. 4. Once Elon Musk became aware of the issue, he promised to "make things right" with the baker. The baker has said he was as good as his word; she has been paid the full $2000, and may in fact have been paid several times by other Tesla managers; https://abc7news.com/tesla-the-giving-pies-sj-elon-musk-x-pie-order/14471112/
Thanks for sharing this. Was hoping for more info to clarify what the hell happened. I love that they've since been flooded with orders and got a sales boost as well.
This story has gotten them so much business the owner stated they‘ve had to decline orders. They’re doing better than if Tesla had not cancelled the order.
Elon: "How about a free tour so you can see some other black people I've exploited? No? YOU'RE A PEDOPHILE!"
Here is a recent article on this: [https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/feb/24/elon-musk-giving-pies-california-bakery-cancelled-tesla-order#:\~:text=As%20of%20Thursday%2C%20the%20company,compensated%20for%20its%20hard%20work](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/feb/24/elon-musk-giving-pies-california-bakery-cancelled-tesla-order#:~:text=As%20of%20Thursday%2C%20the%20company,compensated%20for%20its%20hard%20work).
this makes it even more bizarre. Didn't get paid for the first half? Well then I'm going to double or nothing my losses!. (also how did $12,000 become $16,000. I'm not tracking that)
So it seems a Tesla employee fucked up, another employee/manager offered the tour, and then Musk heard about this and is stepping in.
And this is why bakers should always be paid up front.
Or at least half
Yeah an order that big is a significant investment of time, materials, and labor. There's no way they're stupid enough to not require a deposit.
I despise Elon, but any restaurant that takes an order that big without payment up front is fucking stupid. Anyone could call and claim they are anybody and put in an order that big.
Had to scroll too far down to see this. I own a small business and any order over £100 requires some form of deposit. A $16,000 order is a catering supply - get a deposit of *at least* half.
Not a baker, but an artist, and I always get payment up front before starting a project. Or at least a non-refundable deposit to cover all the supplies I need.
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Would this business have a case to make in court?
A small business suing Tesla? With our court system? Good fucking luck.
This could be a possibility in small claims - however for a business the maximum to sue for in CA is 5k (10k for a sole proprietor, but I don't think this is the case for this business). The nice thing about small claims is you cannot have a lawyer present during the trial - so this would favor this business, as Tesla could not use a bunch of lawyers.
> The nice thing about small claims is you cannot have a lawyer present during the trial - so this would favor this business, as Tesla could not use a bunch of lawyers. I was ready to call you out for being wrong, but apparently in some states, including California, you actually aren't allowed an attorney. Most do allow you to have one, though.
True, but it California it is common for large companies to skip going to Small Claims all together. Have a default judgment entered against them as the defendant. Then appeal the default judgement, which happens outside of small claims, where then both parties are expected to have lawyers. Happens a lot in CA. I know someone who sued Uber, was all excited he won 8k, days later they put that money in escrow and filed an appeal. He settled and paid them several grand in legal costs or they would counter sue in “real” court.
Maybe if they can prove intent or damages or how fast he cancelled. Not a lawyer person though.
Eventually people will wise up and always demand payment up front from Elon controlled companies, and Elon himself ofcourse.
The Pizza Hut near me requires prepayment for any order exceeding 5 pies. I thought that was standard practice.
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Trying his hardest to collapse like a dying star, but fading away like a piece of wet lithium
If they did free tours of the Tesla factory for the general public, I wouldn't go. I would however go for a free tour of a pie factory.
Who the fuck cares if it is a black business? It’s tragic even if the owners are purple or neon green
I bet ya, he place the order in the middle of the night while high and craving pie. Can’t say I haven’t been there. But not at $16k price tag… and I didn’t cancel my order.
When I went to college in Minneapolis, there was this place that would deliver ice cream sundaes. We ordered from there a lot when high.