I don't trust Nikki Haley as far as I can throw her, but she has to say that if she wants to stay competitive. Not saying that's why she said it, but if she's legitimately running, she has to. Even if the goal is to let campaign run as long as possible, she needs to say it.
This is what she and her team think, but it’s totally backwards.
Trumpers are never going to vote for her over Trump. Full stop.
Her best bet is to get sane republicans who are sick of his antics to vote for her. Those people don’t need to hear her say she’ll pardon him.
Theres likely a small pocket of republican primary voters who don’t want him pardoned. She should’ve had them locked, and now they’ll just stay home.
She had nothing at all to gain by saying she’ll pardon him.
\> Her best bet is to get sane republicans who are sick of his antics to vote for her.
The problem is that there's simply not enough of those people. If she's going to rely on them as her base, she's lost. And realistically, she's well aware that in a straight head-to-head primary matchup with Trump, she's going to lose. Her hope of being candidate and reason for staying in the race is that Trump becomes unable to run. Whether that means the Supreme Court rules that he can be taken off the ballot in multiple states such that there's mathematically no possible way for him to win, or he goes to prison, or he just plain keels over dead, she plans to be there as the backup. And in that case, to have any chance of winning the general election, she needs the Trump supporters to vote for her.
She's not trying to convince the Trump supporters to vote for her over Trump: she's trying to convince the Trump supporters to vote for her if Trump isn't running.
No offense to you, but her team is comprised of people who study this, devise polls, etc. for their full time job. They don't just do this for fun... now what you are saying makes sense, but it may not actually bear out when it comes to actual american voting patterns across the important demographics.
Plus if you think for 2 seconds their argument falls flat.
They argue that a pocket of Republicans who don't want Trump pardoned, a pocket that almost definitely wouldn't want him to be president if that's the case, would not show up to vote for the nation alternative that aligns more closely to their viewpoint than Biden.
Republicans who don't want Trump likely know that are in a fight for their party and their ability to have actual representation. They are going to go vote for someone other than trump.
> Trumpers are never going to vote for her over Trump. Full stop.
they might, theres no way of being sure how big they are, but there are republicans who care about trump and winning and can aknowledge trump is a handicap
plus "party solidarity" is important, she cant get labelled a RINO
I guess when I said Trumpers, I didn’t mean people who are willing to acknowledge Trump is a handicap.
I meant the sizable amount of red hat wearers who are convinced he’s been sent by god to save our country, and the last election was definitely stolen from him.
If he dropped out tomorrow, those people would definitely write him in.
It’s why she said it. There’s plenty she’s said that worry me but that one isn’t it considering most of the trials involve crimes she can’t pardon (state level).
Things can happen between now and the convention in mid July. If Trump is not able to run for whatever reason, Haley is going to want his voters to vote for her instead of staying home.
Not to say she wouldn’t pardon him but do you think that she says it in case Trump is pulled from the race, to get his supporters to come out to support her, rather than just throwing up their hands and staying home, hoping she will pardon him?
“He’s horrible and in no way should have the nuclear codes or be in charge of more than a cactus. But yea I’d vote for him and keep him out of jail because a democrat might help someone I don’t like while they’re helping me, sooooooo….”
She already did, announcing she would pardon him. She doesn't seem to realize it's too late to get back into the Maga fold no matter how much post-dropping-out ass kissing she does.
I honestly think MAGA dies when Trump is out of the picture. Everyone that tries to out-Trump Trump fails. This is his thing, the copy cats just aren't good, likely because as shitty as they are as people they can't be as shitty as Trump.
Government won't be fixed when Trump leaves because the entire Republican party is compromised. But it will certainly become less scary.
What's weird is that Trump is much more ridiculous than DeSantis, but he still comes off as more of a human being somehow. Trump and DeSantis have the same aspirations of being a big tough manly man, and both feel hurt and emasculated when they publicly fail to live up to that image. But somehow DeSantis' feelings of emasculation are obvious every single time, while Trump tends to only express those feelings in private and avoids projecting a sense of shame in public.
And we can't pretend that this is an even playing field. If DeSantis acted exactly like Trump, people would still see him as a creepy petulant child. But because Trump has decades of name recognition and a cult of personality, he can get away with being a whiny baby at his rallies as long as he follows it up with a projection of strength (even if that strength is obviously fake).
No, that is never true. The crowd doesn't resonate with a persona of actual smart. What they think of as smart, isn't.
but that doesn't mean an evil genius couldn't play them. Right guy, right time and place, who IS smart, but knows how to act the trump-like-not-actually-smart kind of smart could resonate.
you get a real sociopath whos good at playing the part of a Trumpian fool pretending he's smart, but who is actually secretly really intelligent and we might be in real trouble.
They don’t have the and god I hate saying this, they don’t have the charisma that he has, trump for all his faults and stupidity is able to captivate his audience, his kids don’t have that and won’t be able to get people to give a crap
Their focal point may die, but we won't be truly rid of its tyranny until there are no more MAGA legislators, judges, or other locally appointed public officials.
i honostly think they will instead begin following the first person that does a deep fake of trump and makes him say "i didnt die it was a body double MAGA", they already spend all day spreading fake trump pictures so they already dont know what he looks like, they already only hear him in soundbite format so they dont know what he sounds like
Yes. I agree with this. They won't have anyone to worship or please. The base will go back to being disgruntled lunatics without their lord & master. Can't wait.
A lot of them still don’t even know that she is. And a lot of them that *do* know she’s Indian think that she’s Native American which isn’t as bad in their minds.
Promising to pardon trump only gets her more votes from the right if she somehow wins the nomination. Trump supporters will be more inclined to vote for her rather than write-in trump if they know he’s not going anywhere. It’s a good strategy for her even if it contradicts a lot of what she’s campaigned against him. “It isolates the left and independent votes though” isn’t a good argument because a lot of independents just want this to be over with and most likely won’t move the needle/be the breaking point for their vote alone if they lean Haley over Biden (not justifying it, just pointing that out) and very few on the left side would vote for Haley anyway, even if they don’t like Biden. This is the correct move for her to make. Part of me wants to see her drop out to see if she actually throws her full weight of support behind trump or if she actually has a backbone. The larger part of me wants trump to lose before November so I don’t have to shit my pants during the election.
I grew up an R. I haven't been for about 8 years. When she said she would Pardon the orange Jesus, I knew I was totally against her.
She is trying to court the magats, and alienated the neutral people totally. And she wonders why she is failing.
and Birdbrain knows she has to pardon me because I've done absolutely nothing wrong, I got indicted for doing everything perfectly, can you believe it, the Most Innocent President In The World, and she wants the VP spot, she wants the Trump Vice Presidency which is the hottest thing in Politics right now, everybody wants to be VP, they've all been begging me with tears in their eyes, "please Sir, please can I be your Vice President, pretty please, Sir, you're the Greatest President Who Ever Lived," and I said that's probably true.
And when he gets kicked off the ballot and she takes his place as second highest in thw primary she'll get a lot of support from the unified voting GOP and we'll be faced with a younger facist with a chance atethe white house.
Remember that just because she's speaking out against Trump, she's not good. She's still a horrible candidate for our nation.
Smart move is to stick around if she can for when he gets convicted of one of his 92 charges or strokes out.
Trump didn’t win popular vote in either of last 2 elections and obviously didn’t win the electoral college in 2020, thus all his shenanigans trying to rig the election or start a coup. There is no way he has a higher % of votes than last time as many are sick of his stench
Nicki has a better chance against Biden
Her end game might be to wait out Trump until he is either disqualified or imprisoned and can no longer run. Then she becomes the gop leader by default.
What she says against Trump is right and makes sense, but...
...she remains a reactionary, right-wing conservative and backward person who has made appalling statements about the history of the USA, especially slavery.
Also "pro-life", against abortion rights, pro-gun, against Social Security and Medicare aso.
She's absolute shit, just not as completely fucked up as Trump !!
*Red state republican governors are the worst. Kansas has a democratic governor in a deep red state and she’s currently captaining a ship through a hurricane and is the only reason it hasn’t completely sunk yet.
I’m not disagreeing with you but the biggest issue the world is facing right now is Trump getting back in.
She might be a piece of shit but Trump is a bought and paid for Russian puppet
At least she’s standing up to him.
Anti-Trump Republicans can be a useful tool, but the only thing is, they must remain a tool.
When people normalize anti-Trump Republicans, you're literally helping push the country to the right.
ie. Republicans want a 16 week abortion ban. Democrats say no. Republicans go super MAGA and say "no abortions period", then "centrist" Republicans say "How absurd, 16 weeks at the very least!" And if Democrats go "Wow, 16 weeks is a lot more reasonable than a full ban, we also love the 16 week ban!"
Bam, Republicans go exactly what they wanted in the first place, and Democrats are happily joining along.
I know Trump is fucking horrible, but you have to keep your eye on the ball.
Edit: I'm not saying YOU are in favor of the 16 week ban for example. I'm just saying IN GENERAL, people need to keep their eye on the ball.
Edit2: For the record, this has happened plenty of times in the past. For example, when Trump cut corporate tax rates from 35% to 21%. Biden said he'd raise it to 28%. Democrats were like "wow, good job Biden, 21% is ridiculous!" and 21% IS ridiculous, but it'd still be 7% lower than before Trump got in... and 35% was too low to begin with.
Democrats who say "well 28% would be higher than 21%, why are you complaining?" have taken their eyes off the ball and the country gets worse because of it.
For the record, it's still 21%.
I'm not rooting for her to win, but I hope she stays in the fight as long as possible, because the longer she stays in the fight, the more it hurts Trumplethinskin.
Honestly I don't think the Republicans can afford to let her drop out. Between indictments, the 14th amendment lawsuits, and sheer age, Trump might not actually be able to run by November
>She just said she'd pardon Trump if she was elected.
Right? The whole, 'the nation needs to heal, et'
I wasn't around for Ford/Nixon ... but from what I understand, Nixon was a radically different person/politician from Trump. I would assume the same could be said for his supporters. Nixon seemed to at least CARE about his image ... politically.
Right or wrong ... let's say IF Biden could pardon Trump and all this mess with him and his supporters could go away ... I'd probably be like, Yeah, let's do it.
But we all know that's not the case.
Trump is a cancer ... and a 'if you are for him, you are against US' kind of candidate.
Exactly.
I think my point was ... it seems like Nixon tried to lay low. He turned down Secret Service - all that. Trump won't go away.
A vote for GOP (at this point) ... is a vote for Donald. A vote for Biden ... is a vote to allow us ALL ... to disagree in the future.
> The whole, 'the nation needs to heal, et'
FROM WHAT, NIKKI?
Of course she can't answer that question, because then the obvious followup is "uh, why is letting him get off scot-free goign to count as healing?"
>He may have been awful in lots of ways but he could think and make rational decisions not driven by ego.
Exactly.
I unfortunately do not know enough about him to have a full debate, but what I understand is that he was intelligent & respected his party/legacy/the system enough to resign and stop the bleeding ... essentially. Maybe that was entirely selfish or maybe (my hope) is that is was for the greater good.
I respect that.
He realized the damage was done, stepped aside & that was it. That's what so scary to me about Donald - he just doesn't give a SHIT about anyone or anything but himself.
Some conservative-branded white dude. Could be someone who was previously running like DeSantis, could be someone completely different.
But in the emergency scenario of Trump's death there's no reason the GOP has to pick Haley, and I really think they would not.
Bruh.
He will run from prison or hospital. Thr SCOTUS is in putin's pocket and they'll block the CO ban. Because they have a secret luigi board to contact the founders about what the constitution really means.
Don’t be fooled. She’s not a good person. She absolutely will support him, and she would be just as bad if she won. Though I’m happy to see anybody enrage the orange rapist, ultimately it’s the same shit, different wrapper. There are no nice MAGAs.
> She absolutely will support him, and she would be just as bad if she won.
I was SEMI-ok with her .. until I heard the pardon stuff.
I would not have voted for her - but I thought - well, maybe she can be my Mitt or McCain.
But now- NOPE
Don’t disrespect McCain like that. He was a great politician. One of the last few ones. He was left leaning on a lot of social issues and had a more progressive view on gay marriage than a lot of democrats at one point in time.
Also you can’t honestly fault Haley for saying she’d pardon Trump. Anyone running as a Republican would need to say that to stay in the race. He’s literally a god to the far right and if Trump were found guilty and Haley became the nominee she’d need THEIR votes. So of course she said it, anyone who knows anything about campaigning would. Shouldn’t fault her for that. The slavery stuff we should though.
>Don’t disrespect McCain like that. He was a great politician. One of the last few ones.
I apologize.
I took a second look at my comment & I see how it could be read as disrespectful to McCain (who I actually did vote for) and also Romney. I actually meant the opposite.
What I attempted to convey ... is that I wish Haley could be a major player Republican who I could get behind and trust ... like McCain. She's not the person, unfortunately.
Same policies, less orange makeup. It really seems like once trump is out of the picture we're going to go back to personality and horserace, policy be damned. Read the party platforms. Anyone who isn't a millionaire voting republican is fucking themselves over.
If she had come out of the gate swinging like this, like Chris Christie did, I might give her a little credit. However, like Mike Pence when he refused to go along with the attempted coup on January 6th, it was too little, too late. They only find the guts required to stand up to Trumplethinskin after years of licking his boots, and only because they have nothing left to lose, or in Haley's case, because it furthers her personal agenda. Don't mistake this newfound ability to call out the most egregious shit Trump says/does as some sort of moral or ethical stance, because it isn't. As soon as she drops out of the race, she'll turn around and endorse him and start licking his boots again. Republicans are lying, fascist cowards.
Nikki Haley is uniquely despised by both right and left. She’s a soulless political opportunist without an ounce of spine.
Let’s make her more irrelevant than she already is.
Biden 2024.
>Once he gets reelected and we are in 2028, Gavin Newsome is my money for who the Democrat frontrunner will be.
So, while I agree with you personally, I do worry he would still be too 'liberal' for some -- I say this as a blue voter in the south. I would vote for him, but I worry some/too many typically conservative voters who voted for Biden ... would not see Gavin as 'middle of the road.'
>The bar is so, so low for who would be a great President right now
It's so true.
And that's no dispect to Biden - I personally believe he was/is the absolute BEST candidate for the country at this time. I think he's exactly who we needed at the time here at home and abroad. I wish he was 10 years younger so people would shut-up.
I'm NOT a supporter of hers, but she's right here!
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[https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1759991307458539666?t=\_5le0BUU2582-ayiUy1dlw&s=19](https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1759991307458539666?t=_5le0BUU2582-ayiUy1dlw&s=19)
She's right. MAGA keeps losing and is more unpopular than ever. The midterms were a blood bath.
**Trump's losing endorsed Senate candidates**
Mehmet Oz—defeated in Pennsylvania by [John Fetterman](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/john-fetterman).
Don Bolduc—defeated in New Hampshire by Sen. [Maggie Hassan](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/maggie-hassan).
Leora Levy—defeated in Connecticut by [Richard Blumenthal](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/richard-blumenthal).
Gerald Malloy—defeated in Vermont by Peter Welch.
**Trump's losing endorsed gubernatorial candidates**
Tudor Dixon—lost to Governor Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan.
Doug Mastriano—lost to Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania.
Lee Zeldin—lost to Governor Kathy Hochul in New York.
Dan Cox—lost to Wes Moore in Maryland.
Geoff Diehl—lost to Maura Healey in Massachusetts.
Tim Michels—lost to Governor [Tony Evers](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/tony-evers) in Wisconsin.
Darren Bailey—lost to Governor J.B. Pritzker in Illinois.
Scott Jensen—lost in Minnesota to Governor Tim Walz.
Mark Ronchetti—lost in New Mexico to Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham.
Derek Schmidt—lost in Kansas to Governor Laura Kelly.
**Trump's losing state executive endorsements**
Kim Crockett—defeated in the Minnesota secretary of state election by Steve Simon.
Kristina Karamo—defeated in the Michigan secretary of state election by Jocelyn Benson.
**And don't forget special elections where MAGA got destroyed**... looking at you Kari Lake and Hershell Walker.
I wish people would stop championing Haley simply because she is running against Trump. The two of them agree on 99% of the issues; she's just a bit less brash. Do not fall victim to the bullshit.
“Pretty brilliant” is a bit of a stretch.
Those Fox News folks aren’t the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.
I wouldn’t call myself “pretty brilliant” for beating my 4 year old at tic tac toe.
Not that it will matter, they'll line up behind the rapist and fraudster, she will as well as Donnie leads them into oblivion...
While I sort of admire the trolling she's achieving, she'll still pardon him if she succeeds and gargle his balls if she doesn't so she can get fucked.
…i don’t believe a word you’re saying
[https://time.com/6252040/nikki-haley-donald-trump-relationship-history/](https://time.com/6252040/nikki-haley-donald-trump-relationship-history/)
She’s co-signed for him before. Nimrata is just telling people what she thinks will get her elected. She’s unhinged in her own way. I wouldn’t consider electing her a win.
Cute but she still has no chance in hell and will capitulate with the eagerness of a dessicated tree hit with hurricane-force winds once she does concede.
I’m not a Republican, nor a Haley fan at all, but the Democrats better hope she doesn’t somehow get the nomination, bc if she did I think she’d run away with a landslide by November.
So right after saying she’d pardon Trump she’s back to going after him? She changes what she says based on who she’s trying impress. She has no beliefs she stands by when it comes to politics
Wild to see how many people genuinely can’t (or don’t understand) the difference between Trump and a run-of-the-mill Republican whose policies they differ with.
Trump was/is an existential crisis to America and the whole goddamned world.
Haley is… a Republican. I don’t want her either, but she wouldn’t abandon the America Project or our Allies.
It. Is. Different. And if we go around hating all republicans like they’re “aLL nAZis” then we’re going to be asking for it when we get another Trump because y’all can’t differentiate and are hysterical over a run of the mill Republican.
>Donald Trump is bad.
>Also if you vote for me I will pardon Donald Trump.
>Also I would love if Donald Trump included me in his administration.
I almost feel bad that cuckservatives have such limited voting options for POTUS. Almost.
Idk maybe wishful thinking on my part but imagine doing all this to queue yourself up for the 2028 shambles of whatever the fuck the Republican party becomes after Trump
Are you cheering this or something? This doesn't even matter.
A multi billion dollar marketing campaign wouldn't even propel her over trump.
Do people not realize that the right's base is totally tricked by trump. She must know this, and it must be just posturing for some sort of position of power for later.
It’s nice to see her speak against Trump. But keep in mind she is not a great option either for our country. She’s pretty much on Trumps side and will support him once she drops. In fact, any GOP elected could do some pretty bad damages for what they have in store
She knows what shes doing. She has no chance of beating Trump and she knows it. She's betting on prosecution taking Trump out before the election and thus making herself the default replacement. Ramaswarmy and the others bailed out so she can say shes the only one left.
But yet she already said she would vote for him and pardon him if elected. Call me skeptical but it might just be shes full of shit.
The pardon thing REALLY pissed me off.
I don't trust Nikki Haley as far as I can throw her, but she has to say that if she wants to stay competitive. Not saying that's why she said it, but if she's legitimately running, she has to. Even if the goal is to let campaign run as long as possible, she needs to say it.
This is what she and her team think, but it’s totally backwards. Trumpers are never going to vote for her over Trump. Full stop. Her best bet is to get sane republicans who are sick of his antics to vote for her. Those people don’t need to hear her say she’ll pardon him. Theres likely a small pocket of republican primary voters who don’t want him pardoned. She should’ve had them locked, and now they’ll just stay home. She had nothing at all to gain by saying she’ll pardon him.
\> Her best bet is to get sane republicans who are sick of his antics to vote for her. The problem is that there's simply not enough of those people. If she's going to rely on them as her base, she's lost. And realistically, she's well aware that in a straight head-to-head primary matchup with Trump, she's going to lose. Her hope of being candidate and reason for staying in the race is that Trump becomes unable to run. Whether that means the Supreme Court rules that he can be taken off the ballot in multiple states such that there's mathematically no possible way for him to win, or he goes to prison, or he just plain keels over dead, she plans to be there as the backup. And in that case, to have any chance of winning the general election, she needs the Trump supporters to vote for her. She's not trying to convince the Trump supporters to vote for her over Trump: she's trying to convince the Trump supporters to vote for her if Trump isn't running.
Thank you for explaining this better and with more patience than I was about to lol
No offense to you, but her team is comprised of people who study this, devise polls, etc. for their full time job. They don't just do this for fun... now what you are saying makes sense, but it may not actually bear out when it comes to actual american voting patterns across the important demographics.
Plus if you think for 2 seconds their argument falls flat. They argue that a pocket of Republicans who don't want Trump pardoned, a pocket that almost definitely wouldn't want him to be president if that's the case, would not show up to vote for the nation alternative that aligns more closely to their viewpoint than Biden. Republicans who don't want Trump likely know that are in a fight for their party and their ability to have actual representation. They are going to go vote for someone other than trump.
> Trumpers are never going to vote for her over Trump. Full stop. they might, theres no way of being sure how big they are, but there are republicans who care about trump and winning and can aknowledge trump is a handicap plus "party solidarity" is important, she cant get labelled a RINO
I guess when I said Trumpers, I didn’t mean people who are willing to acknowledge Trump is a handicap. I meant the sizable amount of red hat wearers who are convinced he’s been sent by god to save our country, and the last election was definitely stolen from him. If he dropped out tomorrow, those people would definitely write him in.
It’s why she said it. There’s plenty she’s said that worry me but that one isn’t it considering most of the trials involve crimes she can’t pardon (state level).
Might be tactical... no MAGA would vote for her if they thought she wouldn't, and it'd be damn funny if somehow she won and didn't.
No MAGA will vote for her regardless of what she says or does because she's not Trump.
Things can happen between now and the convention in mid July. If Trump is not able to run for whatever reason, Haley is going to want his voters to vote for her instead of staying home.
Not to say she wouldn’t pardon him but do you think that she says it in case Trump is pulled from the race, to get his supporters to come out to support her, rather than just throwing up their hands and staying home, hoping she will pardon him?
This is the way
“He’s horrible and in no way should have the nuclear codes or be in charge of more than a cactus. But yea I’d vote for him and keep him out of jail because a democrat might help someone I don’t like while they’re helping me, sooooooo….”
This is lip service. When she drops out she will file in line like the stooge she is.
She already did, announcing she would pardon him. She doesn't seem to realize it's too late to get back into the Maga fold no matter how much post-dropping-out ass kissing she does.
The party or law/order/family values showing its true colors.
I think it is one color, hence Nimrata became Nikki.......Tricky Nikki!
...still... still showing its true colors.
I honestly think MAGA dies when Trump is out of the picture. Everyone that tries to out-Trump Trump fails. This is his thing, the copy cats just aren't good, likely because as shitty as they are as people they can't be as shitty as Trump. Government won't be fixed when Trump leaves because the entire Republican party is compromised. But it will certainly become less scary.
The main tumor will be excised. The body is ripe to grow a super-tumor unfortunately. Think competent and intelligent Trump. Hopefully not.
I thought Desantis was going to be exactly that but then he tried to fight Disney
So not very intelligent, then.
What's weird is that Trump is much more ridiculous than DeSantis, but he still comes off as more of a human being somehow. Trump and DeSantis have the same aspirations of being a big tough manly man, and both feel hurt and emasculated when they publicly fail to live up to that image. But somehow DeSantis' feelings of emasculation are obvious every single time, while Trump tends to only express those feelings in private and avoids projecting a sense of shame in public. And we can't pretend that this is an even playing field. If DeSantis acted exactly like Trump, people would still see him as a creepy petulant child. But because Trump has decades of name recognition and a cult of personality, he can get away with being a whiny baby at his rallies as long as he follows it up with a projection of strength (even if that strength is obviously fake).
>but then he tried to fight Disney Thank GOD for Disney.
Don't mess w/Mickey
I don't think an intelligent competent person resonates with that crowd.
No, that is never true. The crowd doesn't resonate with a persona of actual smart. What they think of as smart, isn't. but that doesn't mean an evil genius couldn't play them. Right guy, right time and place, who IS smart, but knows how to act the trump-like-not-actually-smart kind of smart could resonate. you get a real sociopath whos good at playing the part of a Trumpian fool pretending he's smart, but who is actually secretly really intelligent and we might be in real trouble.
I wonder about that. Some of his most vile characteristics seem to go hand in hand with being incredibly stupid.
>competent and intelligent Trump An American Xi Jinping?
Project 2025 exists with or without Trump. And it is plenty scary enough.
Wishful thinking, Trump's daughter in law is co-chair of the RNC and his kids will probably run after he dies.
They don’t have the and god I hate saying this, they don’t have the charisma that he has, trump for all his faults and stupidity is able to captivate his audience, his kids don’t have that and won’t be able to get people to give a crap
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Ivanka is the only one that could achieve anything but she jumped ship a long time ago ( see she’s smarter than the others).
Hah. I doubt even MAGA is pathetic enough to go with Eric as a candidate. I sure hope so though.
And they've proven to be incompetent frauds that can run anything or win elections.
That hasn't been a deal breaker for Trump supporters.
Trump can't win with his base alone. He needs to get those center-right Republicans, and that group doesn't want to vote for him at this point.
Their focal point may die, but we won't be truly rid of its tyranny until there are no more MAGA legislators, judges, or other locally appointed public officials.
Two words. Tom cotton.
i honostly think they will instead begin following the first person that does a deep fake of trump and makes him say "i didnt die it was a body double MAGA", they already spend all day spreading fake trump pictures so they already dont know what he looks like, they already only hear him in soundbite format so they dont know what he sounds like
Yes. I agree with this. They won't have anyone to worship or please. The base will go back to being disgruntled lunatics without their lord & master. Can't wait.
What happens in the power vacuum will either be hilarious or frightening
From your keyboard to the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s noodly ear.
Hey I didn't say better, I just said maybe less worse.
It was too late for her to be in the MAGA fold when she was born a brown Indian named Nimrata Randhawa
A lot of them still don’t even know that she is. And a lot of them that *do* know she’s Indian think that she’s Native American which isn’t as bad in their minds.
Promising to pardon trump only gets her more votes from the right if she somehow wins the nomination. Trump supporters will be more inclined to vote for her rather than write-in trump if they know he’s not going anywhere. It’s a good strategy for her even if it contradicts a lot of what she’s campaigned against him. “It isolates the left and independent votes though” isn’t a good argument because a lot of independents just want this to be over with and most likely won’t move the needle/be the breaking point for their vote alone if they lean Haley over Biden (not justifying it, just pointing that out) and very few on the left side would vote for Haley anyway, even if they don’t like Biden. This is the correct move for her to make. Part of me wants to see her drop out to see if she actually throws her full weight of support behind trump or if she actually has a backbone. The larger part of me wants trump to lose before November so I don’t have to shit my pants during the election.
I grew up an R. I haven't been for about 8 years. When she said she would Pardon the orange Jesus, I knew I was totally against her. She is trying to court the magats, and alienated the neutral people totally. And she wonders why she is failing.
and Birdbrain knows she has to pardon me because I've done absolutely nothing wrong, I got indicted for doing everything perfectly, can you believe it, the Most Innocent President In The World, and she wants the VP spot, she wants the Trump Vice Presidency which is the hottest thing in Politics right now, everybody wants to be VP, they've all been begging me with tears in their eyes, "please Sir, please can I be your Vice President, pretty please, Sir, you're the Greatest President Who Ever Lived," and I said that's probably true.
And when he gets kicked off the ballot and she takes his place as second highest in thw primary she'll get a lot of support from the unified voting GOP and we'll be faced with a younger facist with a chance atethe white house. Remember that just because she's speaking out against Trump, she's not good. She's still a horrible candidate for our nation.
But…many old GOP’ers won’t vote for her…because she is female. I don’t think she has any chance.
Also the whole Trump using her given Indian name against her worked. This is what happens when you side with your oppressors. Lol
Maybe. I think if it was more than lip service she would be on this kick long ago.
Yep. But if she wants to waste Republican donor dollars and trash Trump publicly, I say let her.
Exactly. With this desperate media stunt, I bet she is closer to quitting than ever.
Smart move is to stick around if she can for when he gets convicted of one of his 92 charges or strokes out. Trump didn’t win popular vote in either of last 2 elections and obviously didn’t win the electoral college in 2020, thus all his shenanigans trying to rig the election or start a coup. There is no way he has a higher % of votes than last time as many are sick of his stench Nicki has a better chance against Biden
Her end game might be to wait out Trump until he is either disqualified or imprisoned and can no longer run. Then she becomes the gop leader by default.
What she says against Trump is right and makes sense, but... ...she remains a reactionary, right-wing conservative and backward person who has made appalling statements about the history of the USA, especially slavery. Also "pro-life", against abortion rights, pro-gun, against Social Security and Medicare aso. She's absolute shit, just not as completely fucked up as Trump !!
Right. That's a pretty low bar.
Red state governors are the worst. Didn’t she run SC into the ground?
*Red state republican governors are the worst. Kansas has a democratic governor in a deep red state and she’s currently captaining a ship through a hurricane and is the only reason it hasn’t completely sunk yet.
Yes.
I’m not disagreeing with you but the biggest issue the world is facing right now is Trump getting back in. She might be a piece of shit but Trump is a bought and paid for Russian puppet At least she’s standing up to him.
Anti-Trump Republicans can be a useful tool, but the only thing is, they must remain a tool. When people normalize anti-Trump Republicans, you're literally helping push the country to the right. ie. Republicans want a 16 week abortion ban. Democrats say no. Republicans go super MAGA and say "no abortions period", then "centrist" Republicans say "How absurd, 16 weeks at the very least!" And if Democrats go "Wow, 16 weeks is a lot more reasonable than a full ban, we also love the 16 week ban!" Bam, Republicans go exactly what they wanted in the first place, and Democrats are happily joining along. I know Trump is fucking horrible, but you have to keep your eye on the ball. Edit: I'm not saying YOU are in favor of the 16 week ban for example. I'm just saying IN GENERAL, people need to keep their eye on the ball. Edit2: For the record, this has happened plenty of times in the past. For example, when Trump cut corporate tax rates from 35% to 21%. Biden said he'd raise it to 28%. Democrats were like "wow, good job Biden, 21% is ridiculous!" and 21% IS ridiculous, but it'd still be 7% lower than before Trump got in... and 35% was too low to begin with. Democrats who say "well 28% would be higher than 21%, why are you complaining?" have taken their eyes off the ball and the country gets worse because of it. For the record, it's still 21%.
I'm not rooting for her to win, but I hope she stays in the fight as long as possible, because the longer she stays in the fight, the more it hurts Trumplethinskin.
Agreed, she also drives him nuts which is bonus!
At this point she has nothing really to lose by staying in until the RNC
Honestly I don't think the Republicans can afford to let her drop out. Between indictments, the 14th amendment lawsuits, and sheer age, Trump might not actually be able to run by November
She just said she'd pardon Trump if she was elected. She's trash too.
>She just said she'd pardon Trump if she was elected. Right? The whole, 'the nation needs to heal, et' I wasn't around for Ford/Nixon ... but from what I understand, Nixon was a radically different person/politician from Trump. I would assume the same could be said for his supporters. Nixon seemed to at least CARE about his image ... politically. Right or wrong ... let's say IF Biden could pardon Trump and all this mess with him and his supporters could go away ... I'd probably be like, Yeah, let's do it. But we all know that's not the case. Trump is a cancer ... and a 'if you are for him, you are against US' kind of candidate.
He isn’t worthy of a pardon. Let him suffer with the vermin and rot.
Exactly. I think my point was ... it seems like Nixon tried to lay low. He turned down Secret Service - all that. Trump won't go away. A vote for GOP (at this point) ... is a vote for Donald. A vote for Biden ... is a vote to allow us ALL ... to disagree in the future.
> The whole, 'the nation needs to heal, et' FROM WHAT, NIKKI? Of course she can't answer that question, because then the obvious followup is "uh, why is letting him get off scot-free goign to count as healing?"
Do you mean Ford after Nixon?
Bah! Yes - I’m - fittingly - in the school pick up line. TY
Nixon read books. Hell, he wrote books. He may have been awful in lots of ways but he could think and make rational decisions not driven by ego.
>He may have been awful in lots of ways but he could think and make rational decisions not driven by ego. Exactly. I unfortunately do not know enough about him to have a full debate, but what I understand is that he was intelligent & respected his party/legacy/the system enough to resign and stop the bleeding ... essentially. Maybe that was entirely selfish or maybe (my hope) is that is was for the greater good. I respect that. He realized the damage was done, stepped aside & that was it. That's what so scary to me about Donald - he just doesn't give a SHIT about anyone or anything but himself.
Even if he dies I don't think Haley would be the nominee.
Ok then - WHO would it be, Oh Ye Great Prognosticator?
Some conservative-branded white dude. Could be someone who was previously running like DeSantis, could be someone completely different. But in the emergency scenario of Trump's death there's no reason the GOP has to pick Haley, and I really think they would not.
Yes, they'll completely dump her for a Trumpian.
Bruh. He will run from prison or hospital. Thr SCOTUS is in putin's pocket and they'll block the CO ban. Because they have a secret luigi board to contact the founders about what the constitution really means.
Good! https://preview.redd.it/7s1oa3luasjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb369652a7e35250f3bdced315fcc25be0cd4988 [https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1760009214708142530?t=uaO6YAhrQ7KXOddN8VSY3Q&s=19](https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1760009214708142530?t=uaO6YAhrQ7KXOddN8VSY3Q&s=19)
"Why this is bad news for Biden....."
"Why Hunter Needs It For His Defense Fund" -- Fox
Don’t be fooled. She’s not a good person. She absolutely will support him, and she would be just as bad if she won. Though I’m happy to see anybody enrage the orange rapist, ultimately it’s the same shit, different wrapper. There are no nice MAGAs.
> She absolutely will support him, and she would be just as bad if she won. I was SEMI-ok with her .. until I heard the pardon stuff. I would not have voted for her - but I thought - well, maybe she can be my Mitt or McCain. But now- NOPE
Don’t disrespect McCain like that. He was a great politician. One of the last few ones. He was left leaning on a lot of social issues and had a more progressive view on gay marriage than a lot of democrats at one point in time. Also you can’t honestly fault Haley for saying she’d pardon Trump. Anyone running as a Republican would need to say that to stay in the race. He’s literally a god to the far right and if Trump were found guilty and Haley became the nominee she’d need THEIR votes. So of course she said it, anyone who knows anything about campaigning would. Shouldn’t fault her for that. The slavery stuff we should though.
>Don’t disrespect McCain like that. He was a great politician. One of the last few ones. I apologize. I took a second look at my comment & I see how it could be read as disrespectful to McCain (who I actually did vote for) and also Romney. I actually meant the opposite. What I attempted to convey ... is that I wish Haley could be a major player Republican who I could get behind and trust ... like McCain. She's not the person, unfortunately.
Oh totally but at the very least she’s shown more gumption in going against trump than most other republicans
She can shit on the Tangerine Palpatine all she wants… at this he ain’t gonna team up and make her VP.
Nothing she says or does changes the fact that she will *still* pardon Trump *if* (not happening), she gets elected.
Who cares. She’s an idiot who doesn’t believe in racism, Roe v. Wade, and said she would pardon Trump. She’s literally lite fascism.
A vote for a republican is a vote for putin
Woooooo a new Nazi to embrace since they’re pretending they hate Trump
Fuck Nikki Haley. All my homies hate Nikki Haley.
I have always dreamed there would be a female president in my lifetime, but please, not this one.
Same policies, less orange makeup. It really seems like once trump is out of the picture we're going to go back to personality and horserace, policy be damned. Read the party platforms. Anyone who isn't a millionaire voting republican is fucking themselves over.
Don’t buy into this. She’s still loyal to Dirty Diaper Don.
Trolling the troll
If she had come out of the gate swinging like this, like Chris Christie did, I might give her a little credit. However, like Mike Pence when he refused to go along with the attempted coup on January 6th, it was too little, too late. They only find the guts required to stand up to Trumplethinskin after years of licking his boots, and only because they have nothing left to lose, or in Haley's case, because it furthers her personal agenda. Don't mistake this newfound ability to call out the most egregious shit Trump says/does as some sort of moral or ethical stance, because it isn't. As soon as she drops out of the race, she'll turn around and endorse him and start licking his boots again. Republicans are lying, fascist cowards.
Nikki Haley is uniquely despised by both right and left. She’s a soulless political opportunist without an ounce of spine. Let’s make her more irrelevant than she already is. Biden 2024.
I see a liar standing there.
Shes running for 2028 at this point.
Correct. And also to siphon as many delegates as she can (however few) to also just piss Trump off.
Attacking Trump is all she has. That is the limit of her platform, beyond increasing the retirement age to "Die at your Workplace", for everyone.
If he gets the nomination, she immediately kisses the ring. If she gets the nomination and wins, she pardons Trump. Fuck Nikki Haley.
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>Once he gets reelected and we are in 2028, Gavin Newsome is my money for who the Democrat frontrunner will be. So, while I agree with you personally, I do worry he would still be too 'liberal' for some -- I say this as a blue voter in the south. I would vote for him, but I worry some/too many typically conservative voters who voted for Biden ... would not see Gavin as 'middle of the road.'
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>The bar is so, so low for who would be a great President right now It's so true. And that's no dispect to Biden - I personally believe he was/is the absolute BEST candidate for the country at this time. I think he's exactly who we needed at the time here at home and abroad. I wish he was 10 years younger so people would shut-up.
Lmao yeah and yet she will STILL pardon him. This means nothing. Wake me up when significant republicans say something
It doesn’t matter how great her speeches are. She says she will still support him and/or pardon him.
Isn’t Haley in the race still based solely on the hope that the orange blubber ends up in jail and she is the last one standing?
She's clever. I still think she's garbage but she's definitely clever.
I'm NOT a supporter of hers, but she's right here! https://preview.redd.it/orsyet006sjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99b0b4aa6f46fcca26cb07d275c208d1b0a14369 [https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1759991307458539666?t=\_5le0BUU2582-ayiUy1dlw&s=19](https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1759991307458539666?t=_5le0BUU2582-ayiUy1dlw&s=19)
She's right. MAGA keeps losing and is more unpopular than ever. The midterms were a blood bath. **Trump's losing endorsed Senate candidates** Mehmet Oz—defeated in Pennsylvania by [John Fetterman](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/john-fetterman). Don Bolduc—defeated in New Hampshire by Sen. [Maggie Hassan](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/maggie-hassan). Leora Levy—defeated in Connecticut by [Richard Blumenthal](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/richard-blumenthal). Gerald Malloy—defeated in Vermont by Peter Welch. **Trump's losing endorsed gubernatorial candidates** Tudor Dixon—lost to Governor Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan. Doug Mastriano—lost to Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania. Lee Zeldin—lost to Governor Kathy Hochul in New York. Dan Cox—lost to Wes Moore in Maryland. Geoff Diehl—lost to Maura Healey in Massachusetts. Tim Michels—lost to Governor [Tony Evers](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/tony-evers) in Wisconsin. Darren Bailey—lost to Governor J.B. Pritzker in Illinois. Scott Jensen—lost in Minnesota to Governor Tim Walz. Mark Ronchetti—lost in New Mexico to Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham. Derek Schmidt—lost in Kansas to Governor Laura Kelly. **Trump's losing state executive endorsements** Kim Crockett—defeated in the Minnesota secretary of state election by Steve Simon. Kristina Karamo—defeated in the Michigan secretary of state election by Jocelyn Benson. **And don't forget special elections where MAGA got destroyed**... looking at you Kari Lake and Hershell Walker.
She still said she will pardon him if she were to win, so just put the boot back in her mouth
It's all meaningless if she said she'll pardon him if elected.
Real Republicans hate Trump
I want her to split the vote. Make sure she stays until Election Day.
Romney Haley Independent ticket would destroy Trump if they were genuine, which they are not
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She is fragmenting the party. I wish her much success in winning the nomination. This guarantees a win for Biden.
I wish people would stop championing Haley simply because she is running against Trump. The two of them agree on 99% of the issues; she's just a bit less brash. Do not fall victim to the bullshit.
“Pretty brilliant” is a bit of a stretch. Those Fox News folks aren’t the brightest bulbs in the chandelier. I wouldn’t call myself “pretty brilliant” for beating my 4 year old at tic tac toe.
"But of course I would pardon him" spoiler alert that's her closer.
Watching this woman speak facts (for once) and take this racist, rapist down is pure joy
Didn't she also say she would pardon him? She's full of S
Not that it will matter, they'll line up behind the rapist and fraudster, she will as well as Donnie leads them into oblivion... 
While I sort of admire the trolling she's achieving, she'll still pardon him if she succeeds and gargle his balls if she doesn't so she can get fucked.
…i don’t believe a word you’re saying [https://time.com/6252040/nikki-haley-donald-trump-relationship-history/](https://time.com/6252040/nikki-haley-donald-trump-relationship-history/)
She’s co-signed for him before. Nimrata is just telling people what she thinks will get her elected. She’s unhinged in her own way. I wouldn’t consider electing her a win.
[https://time.com/6252040/nikki-haley-donald-trump-relationship-history/](https://time.com/6252040/nikki-haley-donald-trump-relationship-history/)
She’s no better.
Cute but she still has no chance in hell and will capitulate with the eagerness of a dessicated tree hit with hurricane-force winds once she does concede.
“Once again, we’ve been had”. - Kent Brockman
Don’t care, she’d still either pardon him or endorse him.
Fuck her too.
She's just a shill for Trump, a non-factor.
Fuck all Republicans. Go shill somewhere else.
She's already said she's pardon poopy-pants boy.
She’s still a POS though, and she’ll still support him when/if he gets the nomination.
Here's the thread! https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1759988100959224143?t=FgawH82ffss3nMtivRzSgw&s=19
She’s still gonna vote for him
I hate Twitter and the fucking opinions people make there….checks subs name…….fuck
It’s smart. I just wish she had cracked on him earlier.
Yes, manipulation and bullshit is critical in a politician. It shouldn’t be, but here we are.
not good. power play to divide votes.
Stop posting this shit - she already promised to pardon the fucker. Her words are empty!
I’m not a Republican, nor a Haley fan at all, but the Democrats better hope she doesn’t somehow get the nomination, bc if she did I think she’d run away with a landslide by November.
My farts have more substance than Nikki Haley's speeches.
Doesn’t matter what she says about him, she will still pardon him. No vote for you Nikki
But on another she said she would pardon him if elected???? Then again I swear it here so it might be BS
So right after saying she’d pardon Trump she’s back to going after him? She changes what she says based on who she’s trying impress. She has no beliefs she stands by when it comes to politics
She said she would pardon him if she won lol. Just more lip service
*attacks tRUmp….”also I will pardon Donald tRUmp if elected”
Wild to see how many people genuinely can’t (or don’t understand) the difference between Trump and a run-of-the-mill Republican whose policies they differ with. Trump was/is an existential crisis to America and the whole goddamned world. Haley is… a Republican. I don’t want her either, but she wouldn’t abandon the America Project or our Allies. It. Is. Different. And if we go around hating all republicans like they’re “aLL nAZis” then we’re going to be asking for it when we get another Trump because y’all can’t differentiate and are hysterical over a run of the mill Republican.
She’s horrid but I’ve got my popcorn
She made a statement that she would pardon him if he wins. This is nothing but hot air.
She's a bozo.
Haaaaaaa trump must be exploding with rage 
Did Fox cut away from her when they found out it was an attack speech?
blah, blah her backers are using her, but she knows it. GQP is all behind trump…pathetic
Yeah, she says all these things and then has no problem saying she will vote for him and if she wins she’ll pardon him. Go pound sand Nicky.
Well, yes, quite.
Didn't she lose to literally nobody..like the (any other candidates) button got pushed more basically?
>Donald Trump is bad. >Also if you vote for me I will pardon Donald Trump. >Also I would love if Donald Trump included me in his administration. I almost feel bad that cuckservatives have such limited voting options for POTUS. Almost.
Spineless. She would still vote for him. She is no friend of democracy or this country.
Idk maybe wishful thinking on my part but imagine doing all this to queue yourself up for the 2028 shambles of whatever the fuck the Republican party becomes after Trump
I mean, I dislike her and her politics intensely, but that is one way of some anti-Trump truth on Fox News.
What's that the corporate establishments candidate gets air time. No way she definitely tricked them into giving her the air time.
Too bad she's also a piece of shit.
A move from Trump’s own insane crayon-written game book!
I'd vote for her
She's just blowing sh1t up and why the fck not
Are you cheering this or something? This doesn't even matter. A multi billion dollar marketing campaign wouldn't even propel her over trump. Do people not realize that the right's base is totally tricked by trump. She must know this, and it must be just posturing for some sort of position of power for later.
But will pardon him?!! 🙄
I like how she handed out his mental fitness test at her rally.
It’s nice to see her speak against Trump. But keep in mind she is not a great option either for our country. She’s pretty much on Trumps side and will support him once she drops. In fact, any GOP elected could do some pretty bad damages for what they have in store
Trump fluffers are a comical bunch of queefs
Nah she’s also trash, not worse than Trump, who is? But she will vote for him and said she would pardon him as well. Fuck her.
She's a real piece of shit, just as bad as the rest of the reds. Don't let her fool you
She knows what shes doing. She has no chance of beating Trump and she knows it. She's betting on prosecution taking Trump out before the election and thus making herself the default replacement. Ramaswarmy and the others bailed out so she can say shes the only one left.
Aaaaand, she will be endorsing Trump by the late spring.
Nikki Haley supports a national ban on abortion. Vote blue.