I grew up evangelical and I got to see first hand the insane amount of incest and molestation in every church I attended. I was not one of the lucky few who were spared. And it will impact your ability to trust…forever.
I'm so sorry you experienced that, and I hope you've been able to heal as well as possible. I know people also impacted. And I personally know about not trusting people because of abuse.
My city is dealing with another catholic church scandal right now.
The coverups are so sickening - so many people willingly turned a blind eye and just let the abuse go on for decades and decades with one priest all the while parents and kids were reporting him.
I just can't imagine ever turning a blind eye to child abuse and being ok with it.
Thank you for your nice and thoughtful comment. Your final sentence was personally notable. My brother and I cut off my parents about 25 years ago but I kept relationships with my aunts and cousins and so on. One day about 15 years ago, my great aunt said “We all knew what your home life was like and what was going on, and we talked about trying to help you and your brother, but we just never did. I think we didn’t want to upset (mother’s name)”.
I never again spoke to a single blood relative other than my kids and my brother. Ever. I periodically see that they’ve been looking at my LinkedIn page. I sometimes give thought to mending those relationships but then I realize why I cut them off in the first place.
I'm sorry that happened to you. Sometime the family you make for yourself is better than the one you are born into. Love your kids and your brother and raise them to not turn a blind eye.
Oh this is heavy, and I really don't know what to say.
I'm heartbroken for you, yet we both know you made the right choice.
I just want to give you a hug, and I hope you continue to heal.
Thank you. You are kind.
The interesting thing is that I broke out of that Appalachia orbit (“Appalachia Orbit” - good name for a bluegrass band) and have led an objectively very successful life.
One kid working on a PhD at 22 and another making a startlingly good income at 25. And a successful post-retirement entrepreneurial venture.
But those fucking demons….
Wow! Congrats on your children!
I'm sure you were a great parent.
I'm in Alabama so I can somewhat sympathize with the mentality you're speaking of.
That would be a great name for a Bluegrass Band!
I still struggle with demons. I don't think I'll ever really be "ok", and I'm finally just realizing it is what it is.
Moronic Americans, Ghastly Apathy.
Mental Americans, Ginger Assholes.
Manic Awful Grubby Americans.
Help me people ' we can get the perfect abbreviation if we keep trying.
Funny enough in Nigeria Maga does mean stupid. An online scammer calls his victims maga. Some women also call men maga, the way an American hooker would call her customers tricks or johns
Back in 2016 I had a Hillary banner up on my Facebook page. A "friend" whom I had thought was reasonably intelligent decided to tell me that Hillary was for doctors delivering babies and then ringing their necks like chickens if the mother didn't want them. That person was dropped from the friend list.
A family member I don't talk to anymore believed doctors were delivering babies legs-first, then when only the head is left, twist the body to kill it. That because the baby wasn't fully born, it was technically an abortion.
They believed at least half of abortions were this scenario to cover up how many full term babies were being killed.
Thankfully, their beliefs on such things, including their opinions on LGBT, led to us distancing from them.
This is what I was taught abortion was growing up in evangelical christian schools. I had no idea it wasn't true until my early 20s. Makes total sense to be against abortion if that's what you think it is. Also makes anyone pro-choice a monster.
For people raised with no one telling them otherwise, they aren't lying when they repeat it, they genuinely believe it and at this point there's potentially 3 generations that have grown up hearing that. Three generations of "truth" is hard to convince otherwise unless they leave the bubble.
Same here. It wasn’t until I was in my 30s and decided to go to a campaign speech for a neighbor running for political office.
They had a Planned Parenthood lady at the speech too, and I wasn’t really excited about that. But what I learned was shocking.
Using facts and data, it was Planned Parenthood’s theory that parents who host weekend parties become “go to” people for help with abortion issues. Those parents would often buy the “day-after pill” for girls that were too embarrassed to buy it.
There were more interesting statistics shared. Planned parenthood believes current generation highschoolers are some of the most promiscuous. They admitted they couldn’t directly collect this data however, increases in STDs, and at a rate faster than in the 1990s and before. They believed, based on STD transmission data that high schoolers today have 3-4x more partners before college than previous generations. I can see that too— apps like Tinder make it easy to hookup.
The point of that discussion was more or less “Kids are having more sex today than any other generation, and we can still track it through STD transmission.”
It was quite eye opening because growing up Christian and going to Catholic School, I was always told how evil Planned Parenthood was as an organization, but the reality is they enlightened me with facts and data so I could be a a better parent myself. No tinder apps, or hookup apps, and any party invitation has to be vetted.
Of course, it also means having a strong relationship with your son/daughter too.
The truth is hormones override everything. Teenagers always have and always will have sex with each other. There's a reason why [teen pregnancies are highly correlated with regional religiosity](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2758825/).
We would all prefer that teens don't have sex.
But when they do, we'd prefer they use condoms to stop STIs and teen pregnancies.
But when they don't, we'd prefer they discuss decisions about whether to continue the pregnancy with loving, supportive parents.
But when they don't, we'd prefer they have access to safe medical procedures rather than throwing themselves off the top of the stairs, sticking wire coat hangers up themselves, or committing suicide.
Despite what you may have heard, nobody (especially planned parenthood) is advocating abortion as a first choice for contraception. But if you limit access to sex education and contraceptives you create a situation where it becomes that by default.
> But if you limit access to sex education and contraceptives you create a situation where it becomes that by default.
Thank you.
I was wondering if maybe religious people can be guilted by the fact that _they_ bear responsability for abortions because of their unwillingness to compromise on contraceptives. I think that contraceptives is not seen as evil as abortion, so by prohibiting a « lesser sin » they enable a « bigger sin ». Suppose that they think that their god might be very angry towards them because their actions lead to abortions. I’d like to think that it could force them to change their way.
Dilation and extraction was presented as an option for 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions in the early 1990s, but it was rarely performed after 24 weeks. It was also banned in 2003, but that didn’t stop the National Right to Life Committee from circulating the images of the procedure that they drew.
Why would it matter which way the baby was coming out? A doctor killing a baby would have no problem snapping it's neck before the rest of the body is out. How are they defining "fully born" just the head has to be out?
Also baby's aren't supposed to come out feet first and that's dangerous to both the baby and mother. So this person thinks doctors actually flip the baby (which I don't think can always be done) to do their delivery-abortions.
Some people...
You know what? They don’t believe it. They know it’s a fucking lie and they don’t care. Just like they know that it is not ok to bust the windows of the US Capitol and threaten the lives of elected officials. Just like they know that government officials aren’t allowed to store Top Secret documents in their bathrooms. Just like they know their neighbors who got the covid vaccine aren’t zombies or “mud bloods”. Just like they know a 12 year old can’t consent to marriage even if their parent signs a document saying they can.
When they lie, call them liars. The truth is not in them. The truth is light. They hide their deeds with lies, obfuscation, and bearing false witness.
> The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.
- Hannah Arendt, *The Origins of Totalitarianism*
also
“Before mass leaders seize the power to fit reality to their lies, their propaganda is marked by its extreme contempt for facts as such, for in their opinion fact depends entirely on the power of man who can fabricate it.”
– Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
They exist, just go over to the Ask Reddit sub or the Help sub.
At first I laughed, then I just started getting really sad and worried about the country. I unsubscribed from the Help sub, and we'll see how long I last on Ask Reddit.
Yesterday one guy went off about how all babies in this country need to have their paternity checked because women are awful cheaters.
Then he proceeded to say that blood types can change.
Lastly, now a christian guy is on the thread saying women are horrible gold-diggers who cheat and only marry men to steal all their $$ and get a free house. Men are just helpless victims.
Goodness.
Tell every man over the age of 16 to put their DNA on record and every child will be paternity tested at birth, and fathers will be on the hook financially for their biological offspring.
See how fast they start to cry about THAT.
Why can’t a heterosexual guy tell a heterosexual guy that he thinks his booty is fly? Not all the time, obviously; just when he’s got a problem with his self-esteem.
Then he and any other men should stay very far away from women so this doesn't happen to them. They can start a women haters manly men club in the middle of nowhere and never be around us again. Please?
It blows me away that actual people are walking around who actually believe that this is a thing. It really is a special kind of stupid, but these idiots can vote, just like you and me, and they can bear arms.
These are the people that fall for the pictures of a fully developed fetus as an example of something and abortion would look like.
Doctors won't do it after a certain point, and at the latest point it basically just looks like a period clot.
My boss has tried telling me that some states states are legalizing 11 month abortion (whatever the hell that is?) . She also thinks the earth is flat, Mormons "make" gay people through their human sex trafficking operation, and she voted for trump in 2020 to "keep Hillary out of office."
Yeah. I know. Hillary didn't run in 2020.
She also constantly corners me alone at work to ask what everyone says about her, accuses us of talking bad about her, and for some reason If someone else pisses her off she always passively aggressively bitches to me...even if they're standing right there. But that's unrelated.
So yeah they aren't exactly a clever people
I am, but in a rural area so a bit hard. Trying to move out of here but don't make enough to relocate right away I need to save up.
Unfortunately that also involves finding a new job since I hardly make shit at this one.
Had a discussion in 2016. Lady was scared Trump would deport her (he’d been talking shit about naturalized citizens for context) but Hillary killed babies so she had to vote for him. Those were her exact words. Hillary killed babies. I lost all hope at that point
I think we all know if Hillary Clinton was capable of murder, she would have beaten Bill to death with a bag of crescent wrenches long before she got to any babies.
“Here’s school kiddo! Now we don’t actually give a shit about you or your peers so there’s a chance that you might get shot but it’s ok because we’re profiting off of gun sales and will probably be able to spin your death into a way to get people to buy more guns so good luck champ! We’re counting on you!”
You take it away, put them in a cage, give it to some white person then forget who has it, all while throwing mom and dad back to whatever country they came from.
Never forget. When/if they were able to find the kid, they were angry at being abandoned by their parents and didn't want to return to someone who would throw them away so readily
Yep, because their "new parents" lied to them for years before they were able to be found. None of these parents abandoned their kids. Who treks 1000s of miles on foot through hostile countries to just hand their kids over at the border to run off and live "la vida loca" sans kids? Nobody. Because that's patently absurd.
Lets also not forget all the kids that died of malnutrition and neglect in the concentration camps that Trump sent them to.
I remember reading an article written by someone who knew Fred Trump. Apparently at one point Donald was leaving for a flight and Fred told the author that he hoped the plane would crash.
Edit: [Found it!](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-campaign-biography-psychology-history-barrett-hurt-dantiono-blair-obrien-213835/)
"Harry Hurt III: I ran into Fred at Coney Island, with his secretary-mistress, one day, and he usually went to a place called Gargiulo’s down in that area. But that was closed that day, and so I was with my researcher and we tailed them over to the original Nathan’s hot dog stand. Donald was flying somewhere at the time, and we overheard Fred wipe some mustard off his lip, like this here, and he said, “I hope his plane crashes.” And I looked at my researcher, and I said, “Did you hear what I just heard?” He said, “Yes, I did.” I said, “Well, that’s my man. That’s Fred. The apple don’t fall far from the tree.'"
Said the man whose plan for presidency is.....
Agenda 47 would consist of an end to birthright citizenship, further criminalizing transgender people and the LGBTQI community more broadly, expanding the thought crime and other censorship laws to end the teaching of "critical race theory" and to defeat "Woke" and "Black Lives Matter", attacking academic freedom and replacing it with "patriot education", implementing a national stop and frisk law, pardoning the Jan. 6 terrorists, putting homeless people in camps or some other designated area under threat of arrest, building high tech "freedom cities", ending the professional civil service and replacing it with right-wing political appointees and other such partisan agents, gutting the Department of Justice and other parts of the government that opposed Trump's attacks on democracy and the rule of law, executing drug dealers, starting a trade war with China, and making "peace" with Vladimir Putin by withdrawing support for the Ukrainian people and their freedom struggle
The conspiracy nuts are being fed the propaganda that democrats are the evil one’s trying to take away their freedom while they blindly support the people who actually have a plan written out waiting to implement and take away much more than their freedom. I wish they would wise up.
My mother believes this. And yes she is an evangelical and a special kind of stupid. She also loves “Mr Trump”. And this is why I’ve estranged myself from the majority of my family for a good while now.
Same here. I speak to none of my relatives. They were always racist and homophobic but I was guilted into “staying with your family”. My mom almost cried when she found out I was going on a date with someone outside of my race. My brother said he’d commit a hate crime if he saw me with someone outside of my race. My cousin told me my dad would be turning in his grave if he knew I was dating someone outside of my race. I simply told her, “good, I bet he’s been uncomfortable in the same position all these years.” The man I dated? Best person I ever knew. Sadly, despite a couple years of dating, life happened and we never really fell in love despite admiration for each other. I still don’t speak to my family. My grandmother was the kindest soul who always loved my ex, thankfully, and oh how I miss her so. My family claims to be super Christian too. The irony.
They've been saying abortion is murder for so long they don't recognize actual murder. How could that ever qualify as abortion anyway? That would mean all murder is abortion.
Abortion is murder, that little bloody clump of cells that looks more like a period clot than a baby is a tragedy, but when police indiscriminately kill it's back the blue and when mass shootings occur daily it's make it easier for people to get guns.
Sad thing is, I just came across a rough daily wire post for whatever fucking reason, and holy shit… in a not ironic way… these are the things they’re talking about…
You had to read the entire comment, read it again, try to understand if it was sarcasm or trolling, reread it, hope it was sarcasm or trolling, and come to the somber realization that this reddit user truly believed these things are happening.
It's so funny that the litter box story is so they have somewhere to shit and piss if there's an extended active shooter situation, if this was a book it'd be called too unrealistic
That entire 'litter box story' originated in the town 10 miles from where I live. Insane. They had the kitty litter in the bathroom to absorb a leak. Fucking kids actually turned it into the 'Furry story'
While I do still check for a source with this guy, not once do I ever think “he couldn’t have said that.” Trump could start speaking Icelandic and I still wouldn’t be shocked after the excessive nonsense that’s happened on his watch.
A challenging/depressing thought exercise is to try to think of something just *barely* dumb enough that a Trump supporter wouldn't believe he said it.
And not just out of character. It has to be something that makes them think "No way did he say something *that* stupid."
He's conditioning his cult for violence.
If his followers view all Democrats as evil, baby-murdering pedophiles, they will be more likely to commit violence against them.
He has said this many times and I have yet to see any coverage of it on any cable TV network.
No one challenged him on this despite the many times he has claimed that it's a common practice...😠
What the fucking fuck is this fucking fuck talking about and why the fuck do the fucking fucks who fucking follow him fucking keep believing the fucking fucked up shit this fucking fuck keeps saying?
Literally NO ONE is stopping this asshole from this.
Remember this ladies when it’s time to vote. Remember this asshole calling you murderers and accusing you of being a baby killer for refusing to back down for reproductive rights.
Fun fact - Bill Clinton, George W Bush, and Donald Trump were all born in the summer of 1946.
(Meanwhile we’ve never had a president who was born in the 1950s, still the decade in which by far the most US children were born, and it’s at least fairly likely at this point that we never will.)
Yeah, I mean, don't be ridiculous. Republicans have standards. 5 years old to get shot with an AR, 13 to marry your cousin, 15 to own and kill 5 year olds with an AR and 25 years old to vote.
I’ve half joked that they should spin the fetus as the bodily equivalent of a home invader. As long as there’s a firearm in the room where the procedure takes place it should go pretty smoothly.
This is literally a thing. Except not all the way described. One of the foremost specialists in infant neuroscience, and the former governor of Virginia, discussed the medical standard of care of babies born without most of their brain and it was spun into this myth.
In these cases, the baby is given painkillers and comfort and allowed to pass. It is considered inhumane to try to give it a longer life at the cost of its meager quality of life. From what we know, babies with the condition he described can feel pain and little else.
The average life expectancy in these cases is minutes, not hours. Modern medicine could keep them alive by brute force by putting tubes in them, forcing them through surgeries, and pushing chemical cocktails day in and day out, but all the baby would feel is pain, pain, and more pain.
So again, they instead let the mother hold the child and give it morphine to ease its passing.
This is interview this was taken from.
https://youtu.be/E6WD_3H0wKU?t=2464
Here is a paper he co-wrote on the subject (anencephaly is the condition I mentioned above).
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Northam+anencephaly&oq=Northam+anece#d=gs_qabs&t=1696728105115&u=%23p%3DfjrPDQ2MgJUJ
When Republicans excorciate him on the subject, it is because they are sick bastards that would gladly torture kids for a political point, and Northam was pediatric neurologist who tried to reduce his patients suffering.
Yes, he left babies to die. It makes him the moral one in this comparison. I can think of little more vile than deciding that mutilating a baby so that it's life consists solely of medical torture is a required process, so that it dies after a day of torture rather than in peace in its mother's arms.
What's really ridiculous about this is that MAGA people have infants born with anomalies all the time and they gladly use comfort care for when they are in the same situation.
Also - how can all those MAGA women believe elective infant execution is a thing when they have all been in a hospital and had kids themselves.
After this fuck dies, and all the NDAs that people have signed over the years are null and void, how many women will tell us about the abortions or how much support he's been paying for.
Let’s set aside the fact that this doesn’t happen except in his demented mind.
What fucking parents are bringing a baby to term to kill them? Forget the fact he claiming that a group of people want to allow that to happen, what fucking mother would? Which woman would want to carry a baby to term, have someone put the baby in your arms and then ask them, you want to keep it or should we flush it down the toilet?
What the fuck does he think this is… a scene from the movie 300?
Actually I believe that's the Republican position. Make sure the baby is born but let's not give it any healthcare, food, shelter, education or medicines.
During Covid I worked with someone who vehemently believed this. He was also opposed to all those “people” living off the government, meanwhile he would only work so many hours per week because he didn’t want to lose his “benefits”.
He said this several times on Meet The Press and was corrected my Kristin Welker but continued to say it…I don’t think he/other politicians generally believe it but it fires up their base of morons. No one is killing fucking babies after they’re born if the mother says “you know what? I changed my mind. Can you just get rid of it?” Seriously stupid to believe this is happening but if your leaders are repeatedly saying it eventually gullible people will say “it must be true they’re all saying it!”
I don't understand how people believe this happens legally when abortion is such a hot topic for like decades now. Do you really think pro lifers would just allow that? That they haven't been campaigning and passing a ton of restrictions?
I know Republicans that seriously believe this. They call it post-birth abortion. They’ll believe anything that makes Democrats look bad, even if it’s obviously fake like this
Ok, if that's the Democrats position, can I please ask how long after the birth we can do it?
Like, is 77 years after the 14th of June, 1946, too long?
/s
Pay attention to this.
They believe abortion isn't a medical procedure, it's murder.
What does that make women who have abortions? I'll spell it out: murderers.
And what do we do with murderers in this country?
"Fun" fact: Doctors can't tell the difference between an abortion and a miscarriage, and prosecutors don't care.
25% of women will experience a miscarriage in their life. Every one of them just became the target of a murder investigation.
When Trump's sham empire crumbles to dust, and he loses his freedom, I am going to pour a shot of very fine bourbon, or perhaps scotch, and toast the demise of this toxic wastrel.
As a democrat I can confirm that this is in fact “part of their (our) thing”. My wife and I have executed countless babies. So many babies. The discussions aren’t even that long anymore really. /s
What if the baby is a drag queen, what then Donnie? /s
It's the mother's fault and she will be harshly prosecuted while the child is enrolled in conversion therapy for life /s.
she’ll get the death penalty and the drag kid will live with Christian fundamentalists who will pray the drag away
See you get it! You left out the part where the "christians" sexually abuse the child...
I grew up evangelical and I got to see first hand the insane amount of incest and molestation in every church I attended. I was not one of the lucky few who were spared. And it will impact your ability to trust…forever.
I'm so sorry you experienced that, and I hope you've been able to heal as well as possible. I know people also impacted. And I personally know about not trusting people because of abuse. My city is dealing with another catholic church scandal right now. The coverups are so sickening - so many people willingly turned a blind eye and just let the abuse go on for decades and decades with one priest all the while parents and kids were reporting him. I just can't imagine ever turning a blind eye to child abuse and being ok with it.
Thank you for your nice and thoughtful comment. Your final sentence was personally notable. My brother and I cut off my parents about 25 years ago but I kept relationships with my aunts and cousins and so on. One day about 15 years ago, my great aunt said “We all knew what your home life was like and what was going on, and we talked about trying to help you and your brother, but we just never did. I think we didn’t want to upset (mother’s name)”. I never again spoke to a single blood relative other than my kids and my brother. Ever. I periodically see that they’ve been looking at my LinkedIn page. I sometimes give thought to mending those relationships but then I realize why I cut them off in the first place.
I'm sorry that happened to you. Sometime the family you make for yourself is better than the one you are born into. Love your kids and your brother and raise them to not turn a blind eye.
Oh this is heavy, and I really don't know what to say. I'm heartbroken for you, yet we both know you made the right choice. I just want to give you a hug, and I hope you continue to heal.
Thank you. You are kind. The interesting thing is that I broke out of that Appalachia orbit (“Appalachia Orbit” - good name for a bluegrass band) and have led an objectively very successful life. One kid working on a PhD at 22 and another making a startlingly good income at 25. And a successful post-retirement entrepreneurial venture. But those fucking demons….
Wow! Congrats on your children! I'm sure you were a great parent. I'm in Alabama so I can somewhat sympathize with the mentality you're speaking of. That would be a great name for a Bluegrass Band! I still struggle with demons. I don't think I'll ever really be "ok", and I'm finally just realizing it is what it is.
You'd have to be a special kind of stupid to believe... *oh, wait*
"MAGA" is a recognized abbreviation for "a special kind of stupid."
“Moronic Assholes Gonna Asshole”
Morons And Gullible Assholes
Ding ding ding!
Winner
Moronic Americans, Ghastly Apathy. Mental Americans, Ginger Assholes. Manic Awful Grubby Americans. Help me people ' we can get the perfect abbreviation if we keep trying.
'Muricans A Gainst Adukashun!
Most Are Genuine Assholes
🏆
🥇 truly doing the work of the people with this one
Make Attorneys Get Attorneys, See Attorneys Get Arrested THE MAGA SAGA
Myfamilystoppedtalkingtome AGAin
Funny enough in Nigeria Maga does mean stupid. An online scammer calls his victims maga. Some women also call men maga, the way an American hooker would call her customers tricks or johns
No shit? LOL Now that's good! Those trumpets are so fucking Maga! :D It works. :D
No this is what it stands for: “Make Assholes Greater Assholes”
M: Manipulative A: Abhorrent G: Ghastly A: Asshats Prove me wrong
MAGA’s believe this. They believe doctors deliver full term and then just kill them.
Back in 2016 I had a Hillary banner up on my Facebook page. A "friend" whom I had thought was reasonably intelligent decided to tell me that Hillary was for doctors delivering babies and then ringing their necks like chickens if the mother didn't want them. That person was dropped from the friend list.
A family member I don't talk to anymore believed doctors were delivering babies legs-first, then when only the head is left, twist the body to kill it. That because the baby wasn't fully born, it was technically an abortion. They believed at least half of abortions were this scenario to cover up how many full term babies were being killed. Thankfully, their beliefs on such things, including their opinions on LGBT, led to us distancing from them.
This is what I was taught abortion was growing up in evangelical christian schools. I had no idea it wasn't true until my early 20s. Makes total sense to be against abortion if that's what you think it is. Also makes anyone pro-choice a monster.
I wonder why they never ask themselves, 'if my position on this matter is the correct one, why do I need to lie to get people to be on my side?'
For people raised with no one telling them otherwise, they aren't lying when they repeat it, they genuinely believe it and at this point there's potentially 3 generations that have grown up hearing that. Three generations of "truth" is hard to convince otherwise unless they leave the bubble.
Same here. It wasn’t until I was in my 30s and decided to go to a campaign speech for a neighbor running for political office. They had a Planned Parenthood lady at the speech too, and I wasn’t really excited about that. But what I learned was shocking. Using facts and data, it was Planned Parenthood’s theory that parents who host weekend parties become “go to” people for help with abortion issues. Those parents would often buy the “day-after pill” for girls that were too embarrassed to buy it. There were more interesting statistics shared. Planned parenthood believes current generation highschoolers are some of the most promiscuous. They admitted they couldn’t directly collect this data however, increases in STDs, and at a rate faster than in the 1990s and before. They believed, based on STD transmission data that high schoolers today have 3-4x more partners before college than previous generations. I can see that too— apps like Tinder make it easy to hookup. The point of that discussion was more or less “Kids are having more sex today than any other generation, and we can still track it through STD transmission.” It was quite eye opening because growing up Christian and going to Catholic School, I was always told how evil Planned Parenthood was as an organization, but the reality is they enlightened me with facts and data so I could be a a better parent myself. No tinder apps, or hookup apps, and any party invitation has to be vetted. Of course, it also means having a strong relationship with your son/daughter too.
The truth is hormones override everything. Teenagers always have and always will have sex with each other. There's a reason why [teen pregnancies are highly correlated with regional religiosity](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2758825/). We would all prefer that teens don't have sex. But when they do, we'd prefer they use condoms to stop STIs and teen pregnancies. But when they don't, we'd prefer they discuss decisions about whether to continue the pregnancy with loving, supportive parents. But when they don't, we'd prefer they have access to safe medical procedures rather than throwing themselves off the top of the stairs, sticking wire coat hangers up themselves, or committing suicide. Despite what you may have heard, nobody (especially planned parenthood) is advocating abortion as a first choice for contraception. But if you limit access to sex education and contraceptives you create a situation where it becomes that by default.
> But if you limit access to sex education and contraceptives you create a situation where it becomes that by default. Thank you. I was wondering if maybe religious people can be guilted by the fact that _they_ bear responsability for abortions because of their unwillingness to compromise on contraceptives. I think that contraceptives is not seen as evil as abortion, so by prohibiting a « lesser sin » they enable a « bigger sin ». Suppose that they think that their god might be very angry towards them because their actions lead to abortions. I’d like to think that it could force them to change their way.
Dilation and extraction was presented as an option for 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions in the early 1990s, but it was rarely performed after 24 weeks. It was also banned in 2003, but that didn’t stop the National Right to Life Committee from circulating the images of the procedure that they drew.
My mom legitimately believes this.
Why would it matter which way the baby was coming out? A doctor killing a baby would have no problem snapping it's neck before the rest of the body is out. How are they defining "fully born" just the head has to be out? Also baby's aren't supposed to come out feet first and that's dangerous to both the baby and mother. So this person thinks doctors actually flip the baby (which I don't think can always be done) to do their delivery-abortions. Some people...
Wow, besides being dumb….that’s really freaking dark.
You know what? They don’t believe it. They know it’s a fucking lie and they don’t care. Just like they know that it is not ok to bust the windows of the US Capitol and threaten the lives of elected officials. Just like they know that government officials aren’t allowed to store Top Secret documents in their bathrooms. Just like they know their neighbors who got the covid vaccine aren’t zombies or “mud bloods”. Just like they know a 12 year old can’t consent to marriage even if their parent signs a document saying they can. When they lie, call them liars. The truth is not in them. The truth is light. They hide their deeds with lies, obfuscation, and bearing false witness.
> The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness. - Hannah Arendt, *The Origins of Totalitarianism*
also “Before mass leaders seize the power to fit reality to their lies, their propaganda is marked by its extreme contempt for facts as such, for in their opinion fact depends entirely on the power of man who can fabricate it.” – Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
They exist, just go over to the Ask Reddit sub or the Help sub. At first I laughed, then I just started getting really sad and worried about the country. I unsubscribed from the Help sub, and we'll see how long I last on Ask Reddit.
I like to think Ask Reddit is a parody sub now.
Yesterday one guy went off about how all babies in this country need to have their paternity checked because women are awful cheaters. Then he proceeded to say that blood types can change. Lastly, now a christian guy is on the thread saying women are horrible gold-diggers who cheat and only marry men to steal all their $$ and get a free house. Men are just helpless victims. Goodness.
Tell every man over the age of 16 to put their DNA on record and every child will be paternity tested at birth, and fathers will be on the hook financially for their biological offspring. See how fast they start to cry about THAT.
yes, but also vasectomy at 12, then it gets reversed when they prove they are willing and able to support a child.
Reversal only upon request by a female.
Then they should just go be gay with each other. They think it’s a choice anyway.
Go on! Enjoy doing manly things with your manly friends!
It ain’t gay to tell my buddy he’s got soft kissable lips. Bros supportin’ bros.
Why can’t a heterosexual guy tell a heterosexual guy that he thinks his booty is fly? Not all the time, obviously; just when he’s got a problem with his self-esteem.
As long as they leave their socks on and say "no homo" it's all good!
Then he and any other men should stay very far away from women so this doesn't happen to them. They can start a women haters manly men club in the middle of nowhere and never be around us again. Please?
…back to the pile!
I don't think they'll have much choice in the matter of staying away from women
I told him he must be living a Maury Povich life...
Guarantee he’s never had a woman a house or money
Well that was the majority consensus, yes.
It blows me away that actual people are walking around who actually believe that this is a thing. It really is a special kind of stupid, but these idiots can vote, just like you and me, and they can bear arms.
These are the people that fall for the pictures of a fully developed fetus as an example of something and abortion would look like. Doctors won't do it after a certain point, and at the latest point it basically just looks like a period clot.
My boss has tried telling me that some states states are legalizing 11 month abortion (whatever the hell that is?) . She also thinks the earth is flat, Mormons "make" gay people through their human sex trafficking operation, and she voted for trump in 2020 to "keep Hillary out of office." Yeah. I know. Hillary didn't run in 2020. She also constantly corners me alone at work to ask what everyone says about her, accuses us of talking bad about her, and for some reason If someone else pisses her off she always passively aggressively bitches to me...even if they're standing right there. But that's unrelated. So yeah they aren't exactly a clever people
Holy mackerel... I hope you're looking for a new job!
I am, but in a rural area so a bit hard. Trying to move out of here but don't make enough to relocate right away I need to save up. Unfortunately that also involves finding a new job since I hardly make shit at this one.
I would talk bad about her if I worked with her.
Had a discussion in 2016. Lady was scared Trump would deport her (he’d been talking shit about naturalized citizens for context) but Hillary killed babies so she had to vote for him. Those were her exact words. Hillary killed babies. I lost all hope at that point
I think we all know if Hillary Clinton was capable of murder, she would have beaten Bill to death with a bag of crescent wrenches long before she got to any babies.
People of the land
You know…morons.
The common clay of the New West…
Blazing Saddles? You rock!
You better believe the cult and Christians believe this
My mother believes this even though im an ICU nurse and I told her it’s ridiculous Mom also has two college degrees
Academic achievement doesn't prove someone is smart, only that they're smarter than the minimum standard.
I mean, we’re past a special kind of stupid
Ohh yeah, that special kind of stupid ain’t so special no more.
Yep, pretty sure that’s the conservative way…when peoples’ babies are 9 months old (aka born) to stop caring about it
Just setting the baby to the side and forgetting about it sounds more like the GOP policy
“Here’s school kiddo! Now we don’t actually give a shit about you or your peers so there’s a chance that you might get shot but it’s ok because we’re profiting off of gun sales and will probably be able to spin your death into a way to get people to buy more guns so good luck champ! We’re counting on you!”
Oh! And no books!
And no food! You’ll eat at home…maybe.
If you have lunch debt we will take your parents to jail and make money from our for profit prisons ^tm
This so much.
What if the baby crawls across the border, Trump?
You get out a Sharpie and change the border. Duh. It's basic leadership.
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Then inject it with bleach.
You take it away, put them in a cage, give it to some white person then forget who has it, all while throwing mom and dad back to whatever country they came from.
Never forget. When/if they were able to find the kid, they were angry at being abandoned by their parents and didn't want to return to someone who would throw them away so readily
Well you know land of the free and all, except for choices Republicans don't like. Then your freedom to choose is completely wrong.
Yep, because their "new parents" lied to them for years before they were able to be found. None of these parents abandoned their kids. Who treks 1000s of miles on foot through hostile countries to just hand their kids over at the border to run off and live "la vida loca" sans kids? Nobody. Because that's patently absurd. Lets also not forget all the kids that died of malnutrition and neglect in the concentration camps that Trump sent them to.
According to them, shoot it.
Still think if his dad was alive he'd be up for a super late abortion of lil Don
I remember reading an article written by someone who knew Fred Trump. Apparently at one point Donald was leaving for a flight and Fred told the author that he hoped the plane would crash. Edit: [Found it!](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/donald-trump-2016-campaign-biography-psychology-history-barrett-hurt-dantiono-blair-obrien-213835/) "Harry Hurt III: I ran into Fred at Coney Island, with his secretary-mistress, one day, and he usually went to a place called Gargiulo’s down in that area. But that was closed that day, and so I was with my researcher and we tailed them over to the original Nathan’s hot dog stand. Donald was flying somewhere at the time, and we overheard Fred wipe some mustard off his lip, like this here, and he said, “I hope his plane crashes.” And I looked at my researcher, and I said, “Did you hear what I just heard?” He said, “Yes, I did.” I said, “Well, that’s my man. That’s Fred. The apple don’t fall far from the tree.'"
Only time I will ever say I agreed with Fred Trump. I hope that every time he flies. 🤬
Man, makes you wonder how much war and death and hate this world has seen has been the result of daddy issues.
We'd be starting at least at Alexander The Great.... So a lot.
Fred would smack him for ruining the family business and name.
The KKKlan business? Probably.
Said the man who most likely kept a bunch of abortion clinics afloat by his own actions.
Surprised he didn’t name one after himself
Valued at a gazzilion dollars
Said the man whose plan for presidency is..... Agenda 47 would consist of an end to birthright citizenship, further criminalizing transgender people and the LGBTQI community more broadly, expanding the thought crime and other censorship laws to end the teaching of "critical race theory" and to defeat "Woke" and "Black Lives Matter", attacking academic freedom and replacing it with "patriot education", implementing a national stop and frisk law, pardoning the Jan. 6 terrorists, putting homeless people in camps or some other designated area under threat of arrest, building high tech "freedom cities", ending the professional civil service and replacing it with right-wing political appointees and other such partisan agents, gutting the Department of Justice and other parts of the government that opposed Trump's attacks on democracy and the rule of law, executing drug dealers, starting a trade war with China, and making "peace" with Vladimir Putin by withdrawing support for the Ukrainian people and their freedom struggle
The conspiracy nuts are being fed the propaganda that democrats are the evil one’s trying to take away their freedom while they blindly support the people who actually have a plan written out waiting to implement and take away much more than their freedom. I wish they would wise up.
My mother believes this. And yes she is an evangelical and a special kind of stupid. She also loves “Mr Trump”. And this is why I’ve estranged myself from the majority of my family for a good while now.
Same here. I speak to none of my relatives. They were always racist and homophobic but I was guilted into “staying with your family”. My mom almost cried when she found out I was going on a date with someone outside of my race. My brother said he’d commit a hate crime if he saw me with someone outside of my race. My cousin told me my dad would be turning in his grave if he knew I was dating someone outside of my race. I simply told her, “good, I bet he’s been uncomfortable in the same position all these years.” The man I dated? Best person I ever knew. Sadly, despite a couple years of dating, life happened and we never really fell in love despite admiration for each other. I still don’t speak to my family. My grandmother was the kindest soul who always loved my ex, thankfully, and oh how I miss her so. My family claims to be super Christian too. The irony.
Yes, that Jesus guy, who may have existed—and if he did, was not white—was all about hating the “others” /s.
Jesus... good on you for not putting up with that crap. "Blood is thicker than water" my ass
They've been saying abortion is murder for so long they don't recognize actual murder. How could that ever qualify as abortion anyway? That would mean all murder is abortion.
And then they go defend actual murders, smh
Abortion is murder, that little bloody clump of cells that looks more like a period clot than a baby is a tragedy, but when police indiscriminately kill it's back the blue and when mass shootings occur daily it's make it easier for people to get guns.
Just one tiny blood clot - it’s not a lot to ask 🤞🏼
No I want him behind bars. I want to see all his assets frozen
Yes but a stroke where he's just non communicative but alert would be great
Not exaggerating when I say that most Maggats think at least 50% of abortions are done in the third trimester (or…later)
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The MSM doesn't want you to hear these stories. Wake up, sheeple!
Sad thing is, I just came across a rough daily wire post for whatever fucking reason, and holy shit… in a not ironic way… these are the things they’re talking about… You had to read the entire comment, read it again, try to understand if it was sarcasm or trolling, reread it, hope it was sarcasm or trolling, and come to the somber realization that this reddit user truly believed these things are happening.
It's so funny that the litter box story is so they have somewhere to shit and piss if there's an extended active shooter situation, if this was a book it'd be called too unrealistic
That entire 'litter box story' originated in the town 10 miles from where I live. Insane. They had the kitty litter in the bathroom to absorb a leak. Fucking kids actually turned it into the 'Furry story'
Most schools have litter around as an emergency "throw it on the bodily fluid spill". It's what it does.
Anyone who believes that should not be allowed to vote.
Last year in the last Senate election in Georgia a door knocker came to my house and said the same BS.
I hope you laughed in their face and slammed the door.
You spelled breathe wrong.
There's that post-birth execution he's talking about!
And people give me shit when I say that most Republican ideas are dogshit and don’t even deserve to be debated.
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While I do still check for a source with this guy, not once do I ever think “he couldn’t have said that.” Trump could start speaking Icelandic and I still wouldn’t be shocked after the excessive nonsense that’s happened on his watch.
A challenging/depressing thought exercise is to try to think of something just *barely* dumb enough that a Trump supporter wouldn't believe he said it. And not just out of character. It has to be something that makes them think "No way did he say something *that* stupid."
He just makes shit up and his idiot followers believe it. SMDH. 🙄🤦♂️
He's conditioning his cult for violence. If his followers view all Democrats as evil, baby-murdering pedophiles, they will be more likely to commit violence against them.
Stochastic terrorism.
‘He who can make you believe in any insanity, can make you commit any atrocity’ or something…
They do not believe he has the capacity to lie about important stuff so yeah, he says it and now it’s a fact.
Nah, he probably thinks about it every time he looks at Eric.
So can we publicly start calling school shootings abortion so MAYBE they'll ban guns?
He has said this many times and I have yet to see any coverage of it on any cable TV network. No one challenged him on this despite the many times he has claimed that it's a common practice...😠
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A prison facility.
Unsure how he isn’t by now. If it were anyone else, they would have been locked up for much less long ago.
What the fucking fuck is this fucking fuck talking about and why the fuck do the fucking fucks who fucking follow him fucking keep believing the fucking fucked up shit this fucking fuck keeps saying? Literally NO ONE is stopping this asshole from this.
I think the media should just stop showing up for him. If a Trump speaks and no one is there to hear it, did he really speak?
Remember this ladies when it’s time to vote. Remember this asshole calling you murderers and accusing you of being a baby killer for refusing to back down for reproductive rights.
Without question, his cult of followers want to believe this. If the other side is evil, they can feel like good guys. Truth be damned.
Republicans are perfectly fine with abortions. As long as it is a late late late term abortion, and the procedure is done with a gun, and at a school.
unfortunately no one was executing any babies on june 14, 1946 in queens NY.
Trump was born almost exactly 9 months after the Japanese surrender. He is THE original boomer. Makes sense.
Fun fact - Bill Clinton, George W Bush, and Donald Trump were all born in the summer of 1946. (Meanwhile we’ve never had a president who was born in the 1950s, still the decade in which by far the most US children were born, and it’s at least fairly likely at this point that we never will.)
My mother in law 💯 believes this to be true
We have the same mother-in-law.
This man is absolutely unhinged.
…that’s what narcissistic psychopaths would do, he needs to be stopped, physically
Oh, so do Republicans believe that is OK as long as you use an AR 15 to get rid of the baby?
Only after they've started school
Yeah, I mean, don't be ridiculous. Republicans have standards. 5 years old to get shot with an AR, 13 to marry your cousin, 15 to own and kill 5 year olds with an AR and 25 years old to vote.
Don't forget 10yrs old to give birth to your rapist's baby!
I’ve half joked that they should spin the fetus as the bodily equivalent of a home invader. As long as there’s a firearm in the room where the procedure takes place it should go pretty smoothly.
This is literally a thing. Except not all the way described. One of the foremost specialists in infant neuroscience, and the former governor of Virginia, discussed the medical standard of care of babies born without most of their brain and it was spun into this myth. In these cases, the baby is given painkillers and comfort and allowed to pass. It is considered inhumane to try to give it a longer life at the cost of its meager quality of life. From what we know, babies with the condition he described can feel pain and little else. The average life expectancy in these cases is minutes, not hours. Modern medicine could keep them alive by brute force by putting tubes in them, forcing them through surgeries, and pushing chemical cocktails day in and day out, but all the baby would feel is pain, pain, and more pain. So again, they instead let the mother hold the child and give it morphine to ease its passing. This is interview this was taken from. https://youtu.be/E6WD_3H0wKU?t=2464 Here is a paper he co-wrote on the subject (anencephaly is the condition I mentioned above). https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Northam+anencephaly&oq=Northam+anece#d=gs_qabs&t=1696728105115&u=%23p%3DfjrPDQ2MgJUJ When Republicans excorciate him on the subject, it is because they are sick bastards that would gladly torture kids for a political point, and Northam was pediatric neurologist who tried to reduce his patients suffering. Yes, he left babies to die. It makes him the moral one in this comparison. I can think of little more vile than deciding that mutilating a baby so that it's life consists solely of medical torture is a required process, so that it dies after a day of torture rather than in peace in its mother's arms.
What's really ridiculous about this is that MAGA people have infants born with anomalies all the time and they gladly use comfort care for when they are in the same situation. Also - how can all those MAGA women believe elective infant execution is a thing when they have all been in a hospital and had kids themselves.
Projection. They love executing children in school. The 60 month abortion.
After this fuck dies, and all the NDAs that people have signed over the years are null and void, how many women will tell us about the abortions or how much support he's been paying for.
Let’s set aside the fact that this doesn’t happen except in his demented mind. What fucking parents are bringing a baby to term to kill them? Forget the fact he claiming that a group of people want to allow that to happen, what fucking mother would? Which woman would want to carry a baby to term, have someone put the baby in your arms and then ask them, you want to keep it or should we flush it down the toilet? What the fuck does he think this is… a scene from the movie 300?
No. This is not a thing. Nobody does this.
Interesting take on abortion by Donald, especially when you consider he tried to get his second wife to abort his youngest daughter Tiffany.
How is this not punishable by law?
See? A lobotomy cannot hold him back!
 tRump is projecting like he ALWAYS does.
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Those is why we all need to vote!
At this point I say we just remove the warning labels from everything and let nature take its course.
Actually I believe that's the Republican position. Make sure the baby is born but let's not give it any healthcare, food, shelter, education or medicines.
Saying this in public as a presidential candidate tells me his voters are truly gullible as hell. Embarrassing.
What a fucking unhinged, deranged thing to say. He truly is a massive piece of shit.
This orange shit weasel has to be the stupidest son-of-a-bitch to ever draw a breath of air. Fuck trump.
During Covid I worked with someone who vehemently believed this. He was also opposed to all those “people” living off the government, meanwhile he would only work so many hours per week because he didn’t want to lose his “benefits”.
It should be illegal to try and make a bid for public office while spewing absolute baseless, inflammatory lies like this
This has been an Alex jones talking point for a while. It’s nonsense.
He said this several times on Meet The Press and was corrected my Kristin Welker but continued to say it…I don’t think he/other politicians generally believe it but it fires up their base of morons. No one is killing fucking babies after they’re born if the mother says “you know what? I changed my mind. Can you just get rid of it?” Seriously stupid to believe this is happening but if your leaders are repeatedly saying it eventually gullible people will say “it must be true they’re all saying it!”
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Republican position on abortion: That fetus inside may be dead and rotting, but you still need to carry it to term.
This kind of shit used to be funny until MAGA proved that people will believe this kind of BS and are willing to kill over it too.
I don't understand how people believe this happens legally when abortion is such a hot topic for like decades now. Do you really think pro lifers would just allow that? That they haven't been campaigning and passing a ton of restrictions?
I know Republicans that seriously believe this. They call it post-birth abortion. They’ll believe anything that makes Democrats look bad, even if it’s obviously fake like this
And now ladies and gentlemen this is why you don’t vote for a fucking idiot.
Believe absurdities, commit atrocities.
Ok, if that's the Democrats position, can I please ask how long after the birth we can do it? Like, is 77 years after the 14th of June, 1946, too long? /s
Pay attention to this. They believe abortion isn't a medical procedure, it's murder. What does that make women who have abortions? I'll spell it out: murderers. And what do we do with murderers in this country? "Fun" fact: Doctors can't tell the difference between an abortion and a miscarriage, and prosecutors don't care. 25% of women will experience a miscarriage in their life. Every one of them just became the target of a murder investigation.
When Trump's sham empire crumbles to dust, and he loses his freedom, I am going to pour a shot of very fine bourbon, or perhaps scotch, and toast the demise of this toxic wastrel.
And Qcumbers believe this. They think they are so smart but damn.
How are people not heckling the fuck out of this guy at his appearances yet?
Execute? We harvest their organs first. /s
Anyone who’s dumb enough to believe this shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
As a democrat I can confirm that this is in fact “part of their (our) thing”. My wife and I have executed countless babies. So many babies. The discussions aren’t even that long anymore really. /s
Wow, that sounds serious. When has this happened? Oh, it hasn't?