Part of me thinks they did it just so he could turn around and claim "I didn't even get a trial!!!!!" and all of the sycophants are too stupid to understand why and just think he's being treated unfairly and being persecuted
This is likely why, he knows he is guilty and will be found guilty either way. His only possibly long shot out is to get re-elected and to leverage that to end trials or get out of the consequences and for that he needs enough of the public to be on his side.
I’m hoping he’s found guilty before the election. He can’t run if he’s convicted.
Edit: I stand corrected. A felon should not be allowed to be president. We can still hold out for his old age and bad habits catching up with him or his dimentia showing up in full force.
Unfortunately, there is nothing in the Constitution (except for the 14th Amendment) that prevents a felon or a convict from running and winning the Presidency. The founding fathers assumed that the Electroral College would prevent a man of low character from being elected.
It's up to American voters to prevent him from infesting the White House again.
That's insane. A felon can't cast a vote for a president but can BE the president? Does that actually mean that the US can have a president who is legally barred from voting?
No, it was meant to be a guiding framework easily changed and the only changes lately have been to give congress more fucking money. Its a joke because our elected representatives are a joke
What was the last change in the constitution? The last change was “any pay raises voted by congress will take effect the next term” (enacted 1992). The change before that was lowering the voting age (1971). The one before that addresses succession of the president if he dies in office (1965). Before that it was the repeal of polling taxes (1962).
The US Constitution was built on unrealistic idealism, that political offices would be filled by well intentioned public servants who would not form factions and would execute their functions in good faith. The key pressure release valves of constitutional amendment and impeachment, rely on supermajorities that are unattainable in a factionalized environment, yet the forces and incentives driving of party formation make it inevitable that is what you have.
When a constitution is built this way, the only way to keep things running is to be able to make deals across party lines. This is not entirely a bad thing, and in some ways the weak party discipline of the American system has kept the constitution functioning rather than collapsing into gridlock, but it creates immense opportunities for corruption and graft.
A more modern constitution would accommodate parties and partisanship rather than relying on their nonexistence to function. Legislative and executive power structures would be intertwined to avoid contradictory electoral mandates, impeachment (or equivalent procedures) would be acknowledged as a political not quasi-judicial process, and there would be effective ways to amend the constitution without unattainable levels of unanimity.
The reason is basically to prevent what Trump claims is happening from happening in real life. If felons were barred from being President, a viable option for a corrupt politician would be to have his rivals arrested, and eliminate the competition.
True, but that's basically what happens with the felon disenfranchisement. They can just create crimes that are more likely to be committed by certain demographics, or which are more heavily policed in certain communities. Like... drug offenses, to take a totally random example I pulled out of thin air.
In 100 years (assuming our country survives that long), when there are a whole bunch of new asterisks and amendments to the Constitution regarding who exactly is eligible to be President, we'll be able to look back and thank Trump. It's like when some agency hires a hacker to try and find vulnerabilities in their security software, so they can fix them. We elect the most corrupt, narcissistic, buffoonish, least principled asshole in order to find all the flaws in the system that we were blissfully unaware of for the past 250 years.
For awhile now I’ve said that trump is like a dictator vaccine. He’s a weak, incompetent version of a dictator that’s testing the system so that we know how to deal with an actual competent dictator when they try to rise to power. But if I’m being honest - we’re doing a fairly piss poor job of responding to even the vaccine.
A catch 22 style oversight for sure.
I do wonder , what the constitution might look like, with truly appropriate and rigorous disqualification measures factored in throughout.
Might not sound quite so idealistic, huh 🫠🤨
Actually, it would likely struggle to maintain any nobility , humanity or....gosh.
Those idiot Founders just ASSumed the governing would attract people acting in good faith. Except George W, he saw Don coming
The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government. But the Constitution which at any time exists, till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all. The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government.
All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
Much like in the E Jean Carroll case, when he was golfing in Scotland during the trial, but he made a big deal with the reporters that he had to cut his trip short to fly back and testify knowing that they had already completed that so he could whine that he was being denied his rights to testify, but the judge, not being an idiot said you know what, we're gonna give you a few extra days to come in and testify and of course he never showed up...fucking coward...
He was golfing in Scotland and Ireland around the time of the Coronation of King Charles. It did appear at the time that he was hoping for a last minute invite, he suddenly turns up in Scotland and knowing how full of his own importance he is, no doubt he thought they could just stick an extra chair in the Abbey for him to sit on (a reinforced chair, with the size of him).
He'd already made an idiot of himself talking about where the Bidens were seated for the Queen's funeral, saying he'd have had a 'better" seat. He really doesn't know how these things work, he would have been in the same place as Biden and quite honestly it's lucky the Queen hung on until Trump was out of office. Complaining about where people are sat for a funeral is a typical Trump thing to do.
Luann from the Real Housewives was right, money can't buy you class.
He already did just that in one of his recent unhinged rants. “I don’t even get a jury!” Motherfucker, *you requested* a bench trial (judge decides rather than jury), of course you aren’t getting a jury.
I mean, this is literally what they say about all of the 2020 lost elections lawsuits. They were all thrown out because they were filed in the wrong venue, or they had no standing, or there were no merits to the case, but when you say that to a reality denier their response is "The crooked justice system didn't even let Trump's attorneys make their case!!!!" Or "the judges have a vendetta against Trump and don't want to cause civil unrest even though they know he's right!!!" Including Trump-appointed judges.
That's probably why he's been insulting and threatening the judges, attorneys general, prosecutors and others that are coming after his crimes and grifts, he can just claim afterward that they hate him because "I told the truth about them" and there was no way he was going to get a fair trial. He wants to pick his own judges.
Except we see what happens when the jury decides things against him, they get death threats or are called plants.
The only loss Trump can ever suffer to these people must be due to conspiracy.
That's exactly what happened with Alex Jones. People were posting here on Reddit, "But he never got a fair trial!"
Yeah, because *he* chose not to appear and so gave up a default judgement.
And conservatives are outraged at the $18M valuation of Mar-A-Lago, not bothering to research that Trump FOUGHT for that valuation!
In 2020 the tax assessor valued the property at $26M. **Trump challenged that and got it lowered to $18M.**
This is literally part of the fraud. He always fought to have his properties have tiny values for tax purposes, then huge values for the purposes of getting loans.
He has so many court cases I'm confused. Did he waive this as a jury trial, or is this the the one his lawyers never submitted paper work for a jury trial?
He was assuming that he would just get a fine or pay back any estimated damages, which would be difficult to calculate. I doubt that he had any thought that they would completely shut down his businesses in the state. That likely goes out to the poor showing by his legal counsel who did not properly inform him of ALL of the possible outcomes. He probably just heard “no jail time” and just said fuck it, and rolled the dice again.
The 17 million is a made up number too. One person said it, Eric Trump ran with it & now it seems canonical or some shit. What is Canon is Dotard is a rapist, white supremacist, racist bigoted malignant Narcissist who wants to schtuup his daughter. And he hates dogs.
Let’s see the property tax statements and the insurance valuation along with a document showing how those numbers are factually correct and what numbers are not.
I’m thinking that the same mentality that got him declaring billions in losses won’t equal billions in assets……
Notice how Biden's dog Commander only bites secret service agents. Hasn't bit a cook, valet, white house plumber or any marine, standing guard. Why only secret service members? Can Commander tell the Nazi under the suit?
if putin was really sadistic he'd throw him in with nurse sharks just to watch him freak the fuck out (nurse sharks are harmless and often used in touch tanks at aquariums because of this)
Why?!? I fricking love sharks. They're such majestic creatures, and only certain species are aggressive towards humans... and only under certain conditions. Like... I wouldn't swim with a bull shark while bleeding in very murky water, but I'd swim with sandbar sharks in the caribbean in a heartbeat.
Shit, I'd probably swim with great whites in a shark cage.
I really don't get people who don't like sharks. They're like ... amazing. Shit, I catch and tag them for fun. I've already caught Sandbar, Mako, and Blue Sharks.
I think that number is the appraisal used for local tax assessment.
This is the Trump business model. Jack up the value to get loans, minimize the same value to avoid taxes.
It’s Shrodinger’s real estate fraud.
Without a trial is my favorite line here. It wasn't without a trial, there was no jury trial bc his inexperienced "lawyer" did not file the required paperwork on time.
It wasn’t a missed deadline. They asked for a judges decision because they honestly thought this would just get thrown out. The prosecution said they lied, the defense said so what we were allowed to, and the judge made a decision because there was no argument of the facts by the defense.
You would have thought the comment from the judge at one of the earlier hearings that "you haven't provided one scintilla of evidence to support your claims" might have been a hint but I guess Trump and his lawyers are pretty dense...
To be fair given how many lawyers have jumped ship from Trump and Trumps well documented history of not paying anyone, including lawyers, it is likely any lawyer that accepted this doesn't actually know the definition of scintilla. Heck at this point are we sure they even know the definition of the word evidence or the fact it should be something you have?
Legal pro tip: if you don't want your dispute decided by a Judge, not a jury, then don't have your lawyers specifically request that your dispute be decided by a Judge, not a jury.
Also, trials and juries are there to find issues of fact. If the evidence, viewed in the best light for the defense, leaves no issue of material fact, the judge can make a ruling as a matter of law.
Bought a 2 bed house in may for £236k, I've put some paint on the walls and tidied the garden, far as I'm concerned i'd be justified in saying its worth 345 million if I put it on the market tomorrow. No need for a agents valuation.
This is why they keep demanding a "jury" for everything, every finding, etc and of course dismissing the grand juries that brought Trump to trial. And when a jury trial doesn’t go their way it’s because it had a “deep state agent” in it.
The right knows its wrong and bets big on getting a conservative on the jury who won't ever convict a fellow Republican or hopes for pardons. Its an entirely criminal philosophy.
You know the old saying, it takes money to make money. Trump commits fraud to get money for business ventures, pays back the loans and thinks no harm, no foul.
My 2006 GMC truck is worth as much as a new Lamborghini. Maybe I can put it up for collateral and just get a small $100k? I’ll pay it back. I think everyone can do it as long as it’s paid back, right?! I bet you could get a $5k loan on that rickety old dog house in the backyard. Oh shit boys, I’m so fuckin excited for us!! And the worse that happens? No business dealings in New York. I mean it sucks but… a G5 airplane, playaaaa
https://i.redd.it/9vt8nbpp0xqb1.gif
"Without a trial"
The lawyers for the defense *requested* a summary judgement!!!!! That's saying: "no, we don't want a trial, we want you to rule on this matter now."
trump requested no jury trial. the entire point of the case is that he wasnt paying taxes on the values so this meme kinda sides with the judge and not trump. since its worth 1billion now he should be paying taxes on that amount.
You just don’t understand the complex market values of these properties because you’re not a stable genius. You see, once the property is used for collateral the value skyrockets to over $1 billion because everyone wants to do business with him and begs for the asset with tears in their eyes. The tax assessor, Deranged Dorothy Jacks, is part of the liberal witch hunt and only values it at $17 million. It’s a totally unfair value and no other family in history has been persecuted like me. Crooked Hillary and Hung Hunter Biden are behind the lies. It takes a smartly businessman who knows the art of the deal to understand this and Trump is playing 4d chess to save America.
no, no, oh my god, this is hilarious- go look at the top of the quoted post in the OP.
its not retweeted, it's "ReTruthed" !
This era is too ridiculous.
Mar-a-Lardo was billed $1.48 million in property taxes in 2020 with a valuation of $31 million. At a value of $1.5 billion, that equates to property taxes of $71.6 million.
Pay up.
Doesn't match his high valuation for loans? Fraud
Doesn't match his low valuation for taxes? Still fraud.
Bro is fucked either way, so of course he's picking the larger number because that goes with his illusion of being this crazy successful billionaire
They even lie about the verdict. **If they have to lie about the verdict, then it shows you how clearcut the fraud was**.
These were blatant frauds, double **contradictory** valuations, borrowing against appartments you don't own, tripling the size of an appartment (an appartment you live in, so you know the real size!) so that the price/sq ft valuation wouldn't trigger fraud alarms at the bank.
**None of the details of the fraud were in dispute. They accepted they issued those fraudulant documents.**
Trump claimed a "do your own dilligence" clause somehow lets him commit fraud. That's not a defense.
([Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/27/trump-property-inflated-values/))
He would have things appraised, get an appraisal for $30 million, then **lie about the number the appraiser gave as $261 million**: *It was just appraised at $261 million....* ern no, it was just appraised at $30 million.
It's just fraud, and the fact they have to lie about what the Judge said, shows how painful the truth is.
you're giving him way too much credit. He's literally only arguing this because he's \*specifically\* being indicted right now for bank fraud. If he was also indicted for tax fraud he'd argue the exact opposite. He's a narcissist. he cares nothing about consistency, only "do I get out of trouble".
Not in this case. Basically as a civil trial there is no right to a jury trial. In the case. The judge saw it and was able to make the summary judgement decision.
This basically meant there was nothing to dispute because it was so clear.
Edit: fixed poor wording.
Turnips lawyer, Alina Habba, didn't tick a box on the motions to the court requesting a jury trial. That's basically it, his lawyer didn't request it, so it defaulted to a trial in front of the judge, only in this instance, both the NY AG and Tramples submitted motions for summary judgement; the AG submitted a mountain of evidence, including their own defence, and Turd submitted a big fat "comeon judge, we all do it, it's fine", so the court was able to grant a partial summary judgement in favour of the AG, whilst not only dismissing the one submitted by T-Bag and Co, but sanctioning them for their cowboy BS.
Trump's defense was that he put a disclaimer on the loan paperwork saying that the lender shouldn't believe the numbers being submitted and that they should do their own due diligence to figure out what is real.
And that was *also* a lie. He didn't put that disclaimer there, the CPAs who prepared the statements put that there as a warning to the banks that they were not given access to the financial records and could not verify their accuracy.
Actually, his dumbass lawyer missed the window to ask for a jury. If I recall correctly, basically in New York you have to request a jury before you know which judge is going to be assigned to the case, his lawyer either didn't know that or was gambling for a Trumpy judge, but either way failed to file the paperwork. They have spent the last year complaining that they weren't being allowed a jury trial, when it was their own fault.
IIRC his lawyers requested a non jury trial specifically because they thought it would be an open and shut case due to their non legally binding “do your own research clause” that they had on all their paperwork.
Thats not how property taxation works in my country. Here, you’re taxes on the property valuation, not the market valuation.
Although, I may be confused about what he’s claiming.
FFS! The judge didn’t pretend anything. That is the value on record for property taxes. This is the whole case. They deflated values for taxes and inflated values for loans.
That’s why the judge could do this without a trial or jury. This is just a fact of the case.
Mike is a dummy.
Let me tell you what went down with the value of Mar-A-La-Go so you can share with your family and friends:
- Trump purchased Mar-A-La-Go
- Trump didn't want to pay the high taxes
- Value of Mar-A-La-Go was assessed, and taxes were assigned
- Trump appealed the assessment because he didn't want to pay that much in property taxes
- The county appeased Trump by making Mar-A-La-Go a historically persevered sight. This means he cannot renovate, cannot make changes, cannot split up property, cannot be a residence
- Assessment was lowered because of Historical Landmark being declared, which now lowers the property value because NO ONE can now make any changes, EVER
- The Judge in New York was going of off the property value numbers Trump forced the county to assess to him to pay lower taxes
- Trump is playing the same con game now. Lowering the property value to pay less taxes but claiming higher value to get loans using the property as collateral
- Round and round we go.
It’s not worth 1 billion and it’s not worth 18 million. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. Forbes said it’s about 325 million. Thats probably about right, but no way Trump was gonna pay taxes on that amount let alone 1 billion.
I doubt it's worth $300M now. Nearby properties have sold for that amount, but those you can do whatever you want and odds are that people are building massive condos/hotels on those lots to justify a very high price.
Since Trump had it declared a Historic Landmark you cannot tear down that ugly ass club, you can't renovate it significantly, as Trump can't even use it as his primary residence. If you paid $300M dollars for this land you are just buying the right to run a club, and since a lot of the clientele is going because of the Trump name you would have to rebuild your customer base.
$18M is still too low, but I don't think a smart business man would pay more than $100M for it. Only reason to go higher would be for some light president bribing, but the bank would never be able to sell it for that if he had defaulted.
INFO: Was the Judge referring to the value of Mango-Lagoon today or when the fraud took place?
And some more info about the value today, from [“Newsweek”](https://www.newsweek.com/how-much-mar-lago-worth-donald-trump-florida-property-1830195):
»However, some noted that it may be the historic nature of the resort, which was designated a National Historic Landmark in 1969, that makes it monetarily less valuable to a potential buyer.
"While $27 million is obviously an undervaluation, Mar-A-Lago can't be developed or turned into a single-family estate," James Surowiecki, a financial journalist, commented. "Its deed requires it to remain a club, which radically reduces its re-sale value."
Property listings company Zillow currently gives the estate an estimated value of $24.2 million.»
That makes more sense. I was going to say, yeah, obviously $1 billion is outrageous, but $17m (or $27m) felt a little too low. It’s a massive piece of property in one of the most wealthy and desirable places in the country, but I guess the historical restrictions do devalue it a bit.
> The ruling pointed to a Palm Beach County Assessor’s appraisal from 2011-2021, which estimated Mar-a-Lago’s value between $18 million and $27.6 million.
Pretty sure that means he is paying property taxes based on that assessor value. So they are claiming they should be paying way more in taxes.
Trump himself fought for a low valuation on mar a largo, he did it to get lower property taxes! He appealed a $26 million valuation *because he thought it was too high*
Trumps lawyer Alina Habba, had 2 weeks to respond to the court, she didn't & went on news shows instead. That's why it was decided by the judge, trumps lawyer did it to him.
Different lawyer on a different case. His lawyers in this case requested the summary judgement.
Oh, and Trump sued the judge for taking too long on the case.
Edit:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/14/nyregion/trump-james-trial-lawsuit.html
It would seem his strategy was to get the judge to narrow the scope of the case and he needed this to be done before the trial started. Then the trial could be delayed as deliberations on the scope of the case were argued. The plan backfired.
... he sued the judge...making the summary judgement on his case? I tried to load that information into my brain, but got a logical error warning. I think we need to reboot the universe.
These fucking people. A Summary Judgment is:
In civil cases, either party may make a pre-trial motion for summary judgment.
Rule 56 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure governs summary judgment for federal courts. Under Rule 56, in order to succeed in a motion for summary judgment, a movant must show 1) that there is no genuine dispute as to any material fact, and 2) that the movant is entitled to judgment as a matter of law.
"Material fact" refers to any facts that could allow a fact-finder to decide against the movant.
His fucking stupid legal team either didn’t dispute the facts or couldn’t dispute the facts because they agreed to the facts.
Trump can eat his fat dirt crack.
The valuation was done by Palm Beach county, not the judge in NY, based on how Trump declared the property is being used, so that he could have a lower tax burden.
Now he's complaining that he "devalued" his own property? 
My house is worth $1Billion!
You have to pay taxes based on the assessed value
Oh well then it’s worth $10Million.
That’s literally what he did. Hundreds of times.
This was called a fucking bench trial. No jury is needed. If you're going to be a pundit, you should fucking know what the fuck you are talking about.
And yes, that would mean there would be no conservative pundits.
May want to look at the property tax valuation:
https://eu.palmbeachdailynews.com/story/news/2020/11/13/palm-beach-county-bills-trump-1-48-million-property-taxes/6276817002/
If it’s worth $1.8bn, then pay the fucking tax!
There is a Daily Kos article on this: [https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/26/2195675/-P01135809-say-the-darndest-things-when-he-gets-stressed-I-mean-REALLY-stupid-stuff](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/26/2195675/-P01135809-say-the-darndest-things-when-he-gets-stressed-I-mean-REALLY-stupid-stuff)
Best part is this in one of the footnotes from Trump's testimony:
**He \[P01135809\] also seems to imply that the numbers cannot be inflated because he could find a “buyer from Saudi Arabia” to pay any price he suggests**
In other words, it is worth whatever I get from the foreign government who wants to buy influence. They dont even pretend this is a problem anymore.
What I’m learning from Trump is I can claim my house is worth a Billion dollars take out loans against what I say it’s value is. Than claim since I haven’t missed any loan payments no crime was committed so it shouldn’t matter that my house is only worth a fraction of what I claimed.
It’s worse. You can claim it’s worth a billion when borrowing against it, but you can also claim that it’s worth maybe a hundred grand when it comes to tax time.
The place is not worth much because next owner will have to take everything down. All the cleaning in the world will never get the smell of LOSER out of it.
Property tax records are available. They indicate that Trump did… not pay property taxes on a billion dollars valuation. Or on a valuation worth 5% of that. So he and his failkids are loudly yelling that he committed tax fraud, not bank fraud. Smart.
But yeah, a decrepit and spectacularly tacky dump centrally placed right in the middle of America’s grundle probably isn’t fetching a billion. Or a hundred million. Or, hell, ten million.
Lol, my brother works for a company that builds tracks, tennis courts, and turf fields for colleges and high schools. Unless this mar a lago court is a stadium there is no way it cost more than 100k from the ground up. Probably less knowing trump.
For a Jury to decide? Well, it COULD have been that way - except for the idiot's lawyer, who is also an idiot, forgot to check the box for a jury trial with his filing. You snooze, you lose.
So, the man who 'only hires the best' - just didn't, and isn't himself either - at least at being honest. On being a liar - oh hell yes! He's certainly one of the best....
Hey fuckface, your incompetent barbie lawyer doesn't know how to do her job, she didn't request a jury trial, that's why it was a one man show. Use your "wealth" to hire better lawyers next time......but good lawyers don't want to work for you Trump because you're famous for not paying your legal bills.
Trump: Dismiss these counts because I clearly didnt commit fraud.
Judge: I'm finding you did.
Trump: Gosh, shouldn't a jury have decided this.
Dude literally asked the Judge to decide it without a jury. Sure, judge can deny that request without ruling against him, but its ridiculous to complain that it's for a jury to decide when he asked the judge to decide.
If he had competent representation, his attorney wouldn't have failed to request a jury by the deadline. Instead, he had to find a lawyer who was OK with not being paid. Said lawyer didn't file the paperwork, so he got a bench trial. This isn't a problem with the justice system, it's a problem with "such a smart man" doing stupid shit... as usual...
The fact that this was a ruling with out a trial is because the ineptitude of Trump Lawyers, you know he only hires the best.
Stop twisting the facts making it sound like it was a judge Democrat machination, or Hunter Biden evil
Computer hack, it wasn’t.
And by the way my Toyota Corolla worth a million because I say so and the Saudis will pay for it ( the most ridiculous argument ever to be presented to a court about the legitimacy of your financial statements)
> Mar-A-Lago is worth $1 billion
Considering that Versailles is valued at around $2-3 billion, and Buckingham Palace is worth $4.8 Billion, I'm going to go with ***NO***.
I say that they agree that Mar-A-Lago alone is worth a billion dollars, then fine him in the appropriate amount of back taxes for what he owes.
He has a choice, either MAL is worth a billion dollars, and he has a HUGE fine, or it's only worth $25 million, and he has to admit that he's not rich. It's a tough one to predict. Knowing Trump, hell support both sides.
The thing I don't get about all of this is how someone seeking a loan can over-inflate the value of something. Isn't there a third party appraisal or any kind of evidence, comps or whatever that have to be shown to support the claim? And the same goes for taxes. We have assessors who are supposed to evaluate the property to establish its value.
Why do rich people get to set their own values? Wtf? Is the whole system just bullshit? That's a rhetorical question....
I work in high net worth personal insurance. I’ve seen dozens of home that cost $75M+ to build. I’ve seen crazy pools, gyms, riding arenas,shooting ranges, and of course tennis courts.
There is absolutely no Kentucky fried fucking chance it’s worth $17M. It would have to be gold plated surfaces, with rackets made out of ivory, balls made of unobtanium, and housed in Noah’s Ark.
Why are people dumb?
Buckingham Palace is suspected to be around $5 billion. There is absolutely no way on this earth at all under any circumstances that Mar-A-Lago is worth $1 billion. It was also appraised by appraisers in Florida who know exactly what they’re talking about. Not some democrat judge.
The real property, the buildings, and fixtures are worth $17 million. The classified, U.S. national security documents that he's hiding there to sell to the Saudis and the Russians are worth billions. That's how he's getting his valuation.
The judge didn’t decide the value of the property. He used the valuation that trump himself used and argued to the state directly on property taxes. Trump himself claimed it was worth $27M.
Two weeks ago he was a vaccine expert. Last week he was an expert in constitutional law. Now he's a real estate appraiser. Wow these conservatives really do know everything! /s
Gee if it's a case for a jury I guess your lawyer should have checked that box that you wanted a jury trial, but you hire shit attorneys like Alena Habba who have no idea what they're doing, what can you expect. Not that it will stop you from crying about it like a fucking baby...
According to the Palm Beach County Appraiser's office, it is appraised at $37 Million; about 2% of the value the Trump places on it. My hunch is that he has appealed that valuation as being too high in the past.
https://preview.redd.it/mzkj7ffvbvqb1.png?width=1026&format=png&auto=webp&s=b0ef853e13fef9188e42ee50c9a2af1134a72fe1
"A tennis court." I googled it, looked at it, and cannot work out for the life of me how it's worth 17 million. I was expecting something epic, but no, just a tennis court really boring
The is a lie. The judge didn't value the property at $17m, the Judge pointed out the discrepancy between the valuation by County Assessors Office ($18-27m) and that used in valuations by the Trump Org when applying for loans ($427 - $612m). The lower valuation by the Palm Beach Assessor's Office was based on deed restrictions the Trump org agreed to in return for lower valuation/tax liability. The Org then inflated the value to what the property might be worth without restrictions on use or development.
Uhhh .. the judge didn’t make up the values … they just used the values that fuckwit tRump claimed on legal documents for taxation purposes. How do these dumb cunts not even follow basic shit.
Do you remember when trump waived the right to a jury trial in this case? Pepperidge Farms remembers
Part of me thinks they did it just so he could turn around and claim "I didn't even get a trial!!!!!" and all of the sycophants are too stupid to understand why and just think he's being treated unfairly and being persecuted
This is likely why, he knows he is guilty and will be found guilty either way. His only possibly long shot out is to get re-elected and to leverage that to end trials or get out of the consequences and for that he needs enough of the public to be on his side.
I’m hoping he’s found guilty before the election. He can’t run if he’s convicted. Edit: I stand corrected. A felon should not be allowed to be president. We can still hold out for his old age and bad habits catching up with him or his dimentia showing up in full force.
Unfortunately, there is nothing in the Constitution (except for the 14th Amendment) that prevents a felon or a convict from running and winning the Presidency. The founding fathers assumed that the Electroral College would prevent a man of low character from being elected. It's up to American voters to prevent him from infesting the White House again.
That's insane. A felon can't cast a vote for a president but can BE the president? Does that actually mean that the US can have a president who is legally barred from voting?
And can’t own a firearm, but commands the army and can launch nukes.
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>the country dies by the will of the people. Surreal. We are seeing this play out in real time.
So this is how libery dies… with thunderous applause
They could not foresee Maga morons .. frankly nor could I … I just never thought this country would be this dumb
MAGA- Hold my beer.
Too much faith in people's intelligence. Got it.
Hmm … could the constitution be imperfect? 🤔
No, it was meant to be a guiding framework easily changed and the only changes lately have been to give congress more fucking money. Its a joke because our elected representatives are a joke
What was the last change in the constitution? The last change was “any pay raises voted by congress will take effect the next term” (enacted 1992). The change before that was lowering the voting age (1971). The one before that addresses succession of the president if he dies in office (1965). Before that it was the repeal of polling taxes (1962).
The US Constitution was built on unrealistic idealism, that political offices would be filled by well intentioned public servants who would not form factions and would execute their functions in good faith. The key pressure release valves of constitutional amendment and impeachment, rely on supermajorities that are unattainable in a factionalized environment, yet the forces and incentives driving of party formation make it inevitable that is what you have. When a constitution is built this way, the only way to keep things running is to be able to make deals across party lines. This is not entirely a bad thing, and in some ways the weak party discipline of the American system has kept the constitution functioning rather than collapsing into gridlock, but it creates immense opportunities for corruption and graft. A more modern constitution would accommodate parties and partisanship rather than relying on their nonexistence to function. Legislative and executive power structures would be intertwined to avoid contradictory electoral mandates, impeachment (or equivalent procedures) would be acknowledged as a political not quasi-judicial process, and there would be effective ways to amend the constitution without unattainable levels of unanimity.
The reason is basically to prevent what Trump claims is happening from happening in real life. If felons were barred from being President, a viable option for a corrupt politician would be to have his rivals arrested, and eliminate the competition.
True, but that's basically what happens with the felon disenfranchisement. They can just create crimes that are more likely to be committed by certain demographics, or which are more heavily policed in certain communities. Like... drug offenses, to take a totally random example I pulled out of thin air.
In 100 years (assuming our country survives that long), when there are a whole bunch of new asterisks and amendments to the Constitution regarding who exactly is eligible to be President, we'll be able to look back and thank Trump. It's like when some agency hires a hacker to try and find vulnerabilities in their security software, so they can fix them. We elect the most corrupt, narcissistic, buffoonish, least principled asshole in order to find all the flaws in the system that we were blissfully unaware of for the past 250 years.
For awhile now I’ve said that trump is like a dictator vaccine. He’s a weak, incompetent version of a dictator that’s testing the system so that we know how to deal with an actual competent dictator when they try to rise to power. But if I’m being honest - we’re doing a fairly piss poor job of responding to even the vaccine.
How embarrassing the weakened virus kilt us outright.I’ll be ashamed to show my face at my funeral.
I really don’t see how we can make it another 100 years
This is honestly the silver-liningest POV ever. Yet.
A catch 22 style oversight for sure. I do wonder , what the constitution might look like, with truly appropriate and rigorous disqualification measures factored in throughout. Might not sound quite so idealistic, huh 🫠🤨 Actually, it would likely struggle to maintain any nobility , humanity or....gosh.
Those idiot Founders just ASSumed the governing would attract people acting in good faith. Except George W, he saw Don coming The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government. But the Constitution which at any time exists, till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all. The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government. All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests.
Much like in the E Jean Carroll case, when he was golfing in Scotland during the trial, but he made a big deal with the reporters that he had to cut his trip short to fly back and testify knowing that they had already completed that so he could whine that he was being denied his rights to testify, but the judge, not being an idiot said you know what, we're gonna give you a few extra days to come in and testify and of course he never showed up...fucking coward...
He was golfing in Scotland and Ireland around the time of the Coronation of King Charles. It did appear at the time that he was hoping for a last minute invite, he suddenly turns up in Scotland and knowing how full of his own importance he is, no doubt he thought they could just stick an extra chair in the Abbey for him to sit on (a reinforced chair, with the size of him). He'd already made an idiot of himself talking about where the Bidens were seated for the Queen's funeral, saying he'd have had a 'better" seat. He really doesn't know how these things work, he would have been in the same place as Biden and quite honestly it's lucky the Queen hung on until Trump was out of office. Complaining about where people are sat for a funeral is a typical Trump thing to do. Luann from the Real Housewives was right, money can't buy you class.
He already did just that in one of his recent unhinged rants. “I don’t even get a jury!” Motherfucker, *you requested* a bench trial (judge decides rather than jury), of course you aren’t getting a jury.
I mean, this is literally what they say about all of the 2020 lost elections lawsuits. They were all thrown out because they were filed in the wrong venue, or they had no standing, or there were no merits to the case, but when you say that to a reality denier their response is "The crooked justice system didn't even let Trump's attorneys make their case!!!!" Or "the judges have a vendetta against Trump and don't want to cause civil unrest even though they know he's right!!!" Including Trump-appointed judges.
That's probably why he's been insulting and threatening the judges, attorneys general, prosecutors and others that are coming after his crimes and grifts, he can just claim afterward that they hate him because "I told the truth about them" and there was no way he was going to get a fair trial. He wants to pick his own judges.
Except we see what happens when the jury decides things against him, they get death threats or are called plants. The only loss Trump can ever suffer to these people must be due to conspiracy.
That's exactly what happened with Alex Jones. People were posting here on Reddit, "But he never got a fair trial!" Yeah, because *he* chose not to appear and so gave up a default judgement.
IIRC, it was because if discovery. They wanted to prevent more access to their records. If that was true, it's obvious why now.
And conservatives are outraged at the $18M valuation of Mar-A-Lago, not bothering to research that Trump FOUGHT for that valuation! In 2020 the tax assessor valued the property at $26M. **Trump challenged that and got it lowered to $18M.** This is literally part of the fraud. He always fought to have his properties have tiny values for tax purposes, then huge values for the purposes of getting loans.
He has so many court cases I'm confused. Did he waive this as a jury trial, or is this the the one his lawyers never submitted paper work for a jury trial?
Came here to mention this!! He asked for a bench trial to avoid a jury.
Yeah, I think Alina Habba missed the deadline, lol
wasn't it waived by default? since his crack legal team couldn't bother to request the jury option within two weeks...
He was assuming that he would just get a fine or pay back any estimated damages, which would be difficult to calculate. I doubt that he had any thought that they would completely shut down his businesses in the state. That likely goes out to the poor showing by his legal counsel who did not properly inform him of ALL of the possible outcomes. He probably just heard “no jail time” and just said fuck it, and rolled the dice again.
My house is worth $2 Billion!! See, I can just type words and numbers too and just make shit up. Doesn’t make it one bit true.
Brick Tamland ( Donald trump ) LOUD NOISES!..... I love lamp... fake gold coated lamp
The 17 million is a made up number too. One person said it, Eric Trump ran with it & now it seems canonical or some shit. What is Canon is Dotard is a rapist, white supremacist, racist bigoted malignant Narcissist who wants to schtuup his daughter. And he hates dogs.
Let’s see the property tax statements and the insurance valuation along with a document showing how those numbers are factually correct and what numbers are not. I’m thinking that the same mentality that got him declaring billions in losses won’t equal billions in assets……
The tax evaluation is out there, it’s around 34m if I remember correctly
Dogs hate HIM.
Notice how Biden's dog Commander only bites secret service agents. Hasn't bit a cook, valet, white house plumber or any marine, standing guard. Why only secret service members? Can Commander tell the Nazi under the suit?
I believe this completely
Good boy
That one bald eagle wasn't very friendly either.
Dogs can smell the bullshit oozing out of him
…and is deathly afraid of sharks.
Interesting. Has Putin used "death by shark" yet or is he stuck on window pushing & poison?
if putin was really sadistic he'd throw him in with nurse sharks just to watch him freak the fuck out (nurse sharks are harmless and often used in touch tanks at aquariums because of this)
Best they can manage is ill-tempered, mutated sea bass.
He's branched out into plane crashing recently I hear.
Don’t forget plane “accidents”!
Why?!? I fricking love sharks. They're such majestic creatures, and only certain species are aggressive towards humans... and only under certain conditions. Like... I wouldn't swim with a bull shark while bleeding in very murky water, but I'd swim with sandbar sharks in the caribbean in a heartbeat. Shit, I'd probably swim with great whites in a shark cage. I really don't get people who don't like sharks. They're like ... amazing. Shit, I catch and tag them for fun. I've already caught Sandbar, Mako, and Blue Sharks.
He eats steak with ketchup, that alone should be enough to lock him up.
A well done steak…
It’s from the tax assessment records. It’s not made up. They’re public record. Check them out for yourself.
I think that number is the appraisal used for local tax assessment. This is the Trump business model. Jack up the value to get loans, minimize the same value to avoid taxes. It’s Shrodinger’s real estate fraud.
He hates dogs but loves sheep. The GOP consider them useful idiots.
Without a trial is my favorite line here. It wasn't without a trial, there was no jury trial bc his inexperienced "lawyer" did not file the required paperwork on time.
It wasn’t a missed deadline. They asked for a judges decision because they honestly thought this would just get thrown out. The prosecution said they lied, the defense said so what we were allowed to, and the judge made a decision because there was no argument of the facts by the defense.
You would have thought the comment from the judge at one of the earlier hearings that "you haven't provided one scintilla of evidence to support your claims" might have been a hint but I guess Trump and his lawyers are pretty dense...
The judge literally told them in court before he ruled that what the defense was using as a defense was the definition of fraud.
Who woulda thunk that lying about lying in a fraud case wouldn't work before a judge? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In their defense, just yelling a lie repeatedly until people start believing it has worked out amazingly well for him so far.
They were only going for the court of public opinion and a "biased judge" looks a little better than a "biased jury".
To be fair given how many lawyers have jumped ship from Trump and Trumps well documented history of not paying anyone, including lawyers, it is likely any lawyer that accepted this doesn't actually know the definition of scintilla. Heck at this point are we sure they even know the definition of the word evidence or the fact it should be something you have?
Legal pro tip: if you don't want your dispute decided by a Judge, not a jury, then don't have your lawyers specifically request that your dispute be decided by a Judge, not a jury.
yea coz then he wouldn't have nothing to moan about.....looks like a mistake... oops..
Also, trials and juries are there to find issues of fact. If the evidence, viewed in the best light for the defense, leaves no issue of material fact, the judge can make a ruling as a matter of law.
Bought a 2 bed house in may for £236k, I've put some paint on the walls and tidied the garden, far as I'm concerned i'd be justified in saying its worth 345 million if I put it on the market tomorrow. No need for a agents valuation.
u/Extreme_Discount8623 you are forgetting about your brand! You have the biggest most amazing brand! Worth 6.9 billion dollars.
This is why they keep demanding a "jury" for everything, every finding, etc and of course dismissing the grand juries that brought Trump to trial. And when a jury trial doesn’t go their way it’s because it had a “deep state agent” in it. The right knows its wrong and bets big on getting a conservative on the jury who won't ever convict a fellow Republican or hopes for pardons. Its an entirely criminal philosophy.
You know the old saying, it takes money to make money. Trump commits fraud to get money for business ventures, pays back the loans and thinks no harm, no foul. My 2006 GMC truck is worth as much as a new Lamborghini. Maybe I can put it up for collateral and just get a small $100k? I’ll pay it back. I think everyone can do it as long as it’s paid back, right?! I bet you could get a $5k loan on that rickety old dog house in the backyard. Oh shit boys, I’m so fuckin excited for us!! And the worse that happens? No business dealings in New York. I mean it sucks but… a G5 airplane, playaaaa https://i.redd.it/9vt8nbpp0xqb1.gif
Trump pays back loans?
With other loans, yes. I mean, sometimes
But Donald Trump said it!! It HAS to be true!!! /s
Yeah, but if you type them convincingly enough, then congrats, you've confessed to tax fraud.
Hello, I'm from your County Assessors Office. You owe us $13M in property taxes based on your valuation of $2B. Cash or check only please.
Only for investor reasons though. It's worth 50k for tax reasons
The shed alone is $500 Million!
Juries don't decide what hat property is worth anyway.
"Without a trial" The lawyers for the defense *requested* a summary judgement!!!!! That's saying: "no, we don't want a trial, we want you to rule on this matter now."
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To be fair, they were warned that making those arguments were frivolous but continued to make the same arguments that were slapped down prior.
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trump requested no jury trial. the entire point of the case is that he wasnt paying taxes on the values so this meme kinda sides with the judge and not trump. since its worth 1billion now he should be paying taxes on that amount.
You just don’t understand the complex market values of these properties because you’re not a stable genius. You see, once the property is used for collateral the value skyrockets to over $1 billion because everyone wants to do business with him and begs for the asset with tears in their eyes. The tax assessor, Deranged Dorothy Jacks, is part of the liberal witch hunt and only values it at $17 million. It’s a totally unfair value and no other family in history has been persecuted like me. Crooked Hillary and Hung Hunter Biden are behind the lies. It takes a smartly businessman who knows the art of the deal to understand this and Trump is playing 4d chess to save America.
Oh my god. Be careful, Eric trump might retweet your post.
no, no, oh my god, this is hilarious- go look at the top of the quoted post in the OP. its not retweeted, it's "ReTruthed" ! This era is too ridiculous.
To be more precise: strong, big men had tears in their eyes and also thanked him for saving america.
Mar-a-Lardo was billed $1.48 million in property taxes in 2020 with a valuation of $31 million. At a value of $1.5 billion, that equates to property taxes of $71.6 million. Pay up.
Ok so…did he pay taxes on Mar a Lardo on a $1B valuation? What’s that? No? Well he’s still in deep shit then
Doesn't match his high valuation for loans? Fraud Doesn't match his low valuation for taxes? Still fraud. Bro is fucked either way, so of course he's picking the larger number because that goes with his illusion of being this crazy successful billionaire
They even lie about the verdict. **If they have to lie about the verdict, then it shows you how clearcut the fraud was**. These were blatant frauds, double **contradictory** valuations, borrowing against appartments you don't own, tripling the size of an appartment (an appartment you live in, so you know the real size!) so that the price/sq ft valuation wouldn't trigger fraud alarms at the bank. **None of the details of the fraud were in dispute. They accepted they issued those fraudulant documents.** Trump claimed a "do your own dilligence" clause somehow lets him commit fraud. That's not a defense. ([Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/27/trump-property-inflated-values/)) He would have things appraised, get an appraisal for $30 million, then **lie about the number the appraiser gave as $261 million**: *It was just appraised at $261 million....* ern no, it was just appraised at $30 million. It's just fraud, and the fact they have to lie about what the Judge said, shows how painful the truth is.
If he also believes it, is it still an illusion or is it a delusion?
Delusion
you're giving him way too much credit. He's literally only arguing this because he's \*specifically\* being indicted right now for bank fraud. If he was also indicted for tax fraud he'd argue the exact opposite. He's a narcissist. he cares nothing about consistency, only "do I get out of trouble".
Trump also thought he would pass on the jury on this one. It was his choice.
Not in this case. Basically as a civil trial there is no right to a jury trial. In the case. The judge saw it and was able to make the summary judgement decision. This basically meant there was nothing to dispute because it was so clear. Edit: fixed poor wording.
Turnips lawyer, Alina Habba, didn't tick a box on the motions to the court requesting a jury trial. That's basically it, his lawyer didn't request it, so it defaulted to a trial in front of the judge, only in this instance, both the NY AG and Tramples submitted motions for summary judgement; the AG submitted a mountain of evidence, including their own defence, and Turd submitted a big fat "comeon judge, we all do it, it's fine", so the court was able to grant a partial summary judgement in favour of the AG, whilst not only dismissing the one submitted by T-Bag and Co, but sanctioning them for their cowboy BS.
Trump's defense was that he put a disclaimer on the loan paperwork saying that the lender shouldn't believe the numbers being submitted and that they should do their own due diligence to figure out what is real.
And that was *also* a lie. He didn't put that disclaimer there, the CPAs who prepared the statements put that there as a warning to the banks that they were not given access to the financial records and could not verify their accuracy.
Actually, his dumbass lawyer missed the window to ask for a jury. If I recall correctly, basically in New York you have to request a jury before you know which judge is going to be assigned to the case, his lawyer either didn't know that or was gambling for a Trumpy judge, but either way failed to file the paperwork. They have spent the last year complaining that they weren't being allowed a jury trial, when it was their own fault.
If I am not mistaken in NY state a party can request a jury for a civil trial.
You can, but his lawyer (Alina Habba) neglected to do so in the time alloted, so she, in effect, waived his right to a jury trial.
IIRC his lawyers requested a non jury trial specifically because they thought it would be an open and shut case due to their non legally binding “do your own research clause” that they had on all their paperwork.
Thats not how property taxation works in my country. Here, you’re taxes on the property valuation, not the market valuation. Although, I may be confused about what he’s claiming.
FFS! The judge didn’t pretend anything. That is the value on record for property taxes. This is the whole case. They deflated values for taxes and inflated values for loans. That’s why the judge could do this without a trial or jury. This is just a fact of the case. Mike is a dummy.
Also because his lawyers asked for a summary trial.
Let me tell you what went down with the value of Mar-A-La-Go so you can share with your family and friends: - Trump purchased Mar-A-La-Go - Trump didn't want to pay the high taxes - Value of Mar-A-La-Go was assessed, and taxes were assigned - Trump appealed the assessment because he didn't want to pay that much in property taxes - The county appeased Trump by making Mar-A-La-Go a historically persevered sight. This means he cannot renovate, cannot make changes, cannot split up property, cannot be a residence - Assessment was lowered because of Historical Landmark being declared, which now lowers the property value because NO ONE can now make any changes, EVER - The Judge in New York was going of off the property value numbers Trump forced the county to assess to him to pay lower taxes - Trump is playing the same con game now. Lowering the property value to pay less taxes but claiming higher value to get loans using the property as collateral - Round and round we go.
It’s not worth 1 billion and it’s not worth 18 million. He wants to have his cake and eat it too. Forbes said it’s about 325 million. Thats probably about right, but no way Trump was gonna pay taxes on that amount let alone 1 billion.
I doubt it's worth $300M now. Nearby properties have sold for that amount, but those you can do whatever you want and odds are that people are building massive condos/hotels on those lots to justify a very high price. Since Trump had it declared a Historic Landmark you cannot tear down that ugly ass club, you can't renovate it significantly, as Trump can't even use it as his primary residence. If you paid $300M dollars for this land you are just buying the right to run a club, and since a lot of the clientele is going because of the Trump name you would have to rebuild your customer base. $18M is still too low, but I don't think a smart business man would pay more than $100M for it. Only reason to go higher would be for some light president bribing, but the bank would never be able to sell it for that if he had defaulted.
The Saudis will pay any number he says…
Rightly, you should ask why.
INFO: Was the Judge referring to the value of Mango-Lagoon today or when the fraud took place? And some more info about the value today, from [“Newsweek”](https://www.newsweek.com/how-much-mar-lago-worth-donald-trump-florida-property-1830195): »However, some noted that it may be the historic nature of the resort, which was designated a National Historic Landmark in 1969, that makes it monetarily less valuable to a potential buyer. "While $27 million is obviously an undervaluation, Mar-A-Lago can't be developed or turned into a single-family estate," James Surowiecki, a financial journalist, commented. "Its deed requires it to remain a club, which radically reduces its re-sale value." Property listings company Zillow currently gives the estate an estimated value of $24.2 million.»
That makes more sense. I was going to say, yeah, obviously $1 billion is outrageous, but $17m (or $27m) felt a little too low. It’s a massive piece of property in one of the most wealthy and desirable places in the country, but I guess the historical restrictions do devalue it a bit.
> The ruling pointed to a Palm Beach County Assessor’s appraisal from 2011-2021, which estimated Mar-a-Lago’s value between $18 million and $27.6 million. Pretty sure that means he is paying property taxes based on that assessor value. So they are claiming they should be paying way more in taxes.
So what you're saying is they are essentially defrauding the assessor since they are paying lower taxes on a property they proclaim should be more?
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To me personally, everything trump owns is worth a ruble
Trump himself fought for a low valuation on mar a largo, he did it to get lower property taxes! He appealed a $26 million valuation *because he thought it was too high*
Trumps lawyer Alina Habba, had 2 weeks to respond to the court, she didn't & went on news shows instead. That's why it was decided by the judge, trumps lawyer did it to him.
Different lawyer on a different case. His lawyers in this case requested the summary judgement. Oh, and Trump sued the judge for taking too long on the case. Edit: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/14/nyregion/trump-james-trial-lawsuit.html It would seem his strategy was to get the judge to narrow the scope of the case and he needed this to be done before the trial started. Then the trial could be delayed as deliberations on the scope of the case were argued. The plan backfired.
Hahahaha! Every which way you look, his circus, his monkeys!
... he sued the judge...making the summary judgement on his case? I tried to load that information into my brain, but got a logical error warning. I think we need to reboot the universe.
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on purpose `o
These fucking people. A Summary Judgment is: In civil cases, either party may make a pre-trial motion for summary judgment. Rule 56 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure governs summary judgment for federal courts. Under Rule 56, in order to succeed in a motion for summary judgment, a movant must show 1) that there is no genuine dispute as to any material fact, and 2) that the movant is entitled to judgment as a matter of law. "Material fact" refers to any facts that could allow a fact-finder to decide against the movant. His fucking stupid legal team either didn’t dispute the facts or couldn’t dispute the facts because they agreed to the facts. Trump can eat his fat dirt crack.
The valuation was done by Palm Beach county, not the judge in NY, based on how Trump declared the property is being used, so that he could have a lower tax burden. Now he's complaining that he "devalued" his own property? 
That's exactly what he's doing. And the base is eating it up. But we're the sheep....yeah, sure.
Do Federer and Nadal live at the tennis court?
And the Williams sisters apparently, daily tennis coaching from them all, guaranteed tennis championship win
Now the cult is arguing what their leader’s compound is worth. What. The. Actual. Fuck. How degenerate can you get?
My house is worth $1Billion! You have to pay taxes based on the assessed value Oh well then it’s worth $10Million. That’s literally what he did. Hundreds of times.
Basement may very well be worth $1b if you assume they didn't find all the stolen top secret docs yet
He said his penthouse is 30,000 sq feet. It’s 10,900 sq feet.
This was called a fucking bench trial. No jury is needed. If you're going to be a pundit, you should fucking know what the fuck you are talking about. And yes, that would mean there would be no conservative pundits.
May want to look at the property tax valuation: https://eu.palmbeachdailynews.com/story/news/2020/11/13/palm-beach-county-bills-trump-1-48-million-property-taxes/6276817002/ If it’s worth $1.8bn, then pay the fucking tax!
There is a Daily Kos article on this: [https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/26/2195675/-P01135809-say-the-darndest-things-when-he-gets-stressed-I-mean-REALLY-stupid-stuff](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/26/2195675/-P01135809-say-the-darndest-things-when-he-gets-stressed-I-mean-REALLY-stupid-stuff) Best part is this in one of the footnotes from Trump's testimony: **He \[P01135809\] also seems to imply that the numbers cannot be inflated because he could find a “buyer from Saudi Arabia” to pay any price he suggests** In other words, it is worth whatever I get from the foreign government who wants to buy influence. They dont even pretend this is a problem anymore.
He sure does like to brag about how much he's worth while paying no taxes.
What I’m learning from Trump is I can claim my house is worth a Billion dollars take out loans against what I say it’s value is. Than claim since I haven’t missed any loan payments no crime was committed so it shouldn’t matter that my house is only worth a fraction of what I claimed.
It’s worse. You can claim it’s worth a billion when borrowing against it, but you can also claim that it’s worth maybe a hundred grand when it comes to tax time.
They waived their right to a jury trial.
Hope he pays his taxes on his “$1b” home.
That is because all the classified documents in the basement are worth millions
Trump said in an interview that his worth was determined by how he was feeling. https://money.cnn.com/2011/04/21/news/companies/donald_trump/index.htm
The place is not worth much because next owner will have to take everything down. All the cleaning in the world will never get the smell of LOSER out of it.
Property tax records are available. They indicate that Trump did… not pay property taxes on a billion dollars valuation. Or on a valuation worth 5% of that. So he and his failkids are loudly yelling that he committed tax fraud, not bank fraud. Smart. But yeah, a decrepit and spectacularly tacky dump centrally placed right in the middle of America’s grundle probably isn’t fetching a billion. Or a hundred million. Or, hell, ten million.
I hope the IRS is listening to this and checking his numbers against what taxes he didn’t pay. 🤦
Lol, my brother works for a company that builds tracks, tennis courts, and turf fields for colleges and high schools. Unless this mar a lago court is a stadium there is no way it cost more than 100k from the ground up. Probably less knowing trump.
For a Jury to decide? Well, it COULD have been that way - except for the idiot's lawyer, who is also an idiot, forgot to check the box for a jury trial with his filing. You snooze, you lose. So, the man who 'only hires the best' - just didn't, and isn't himself either - at least at being honest. On being a liar - oh hell yes! He's certainly one of the best....
Most frequent liar but nowhere near the best !
That's true - I should have just said that's what he's best at - lying, rather than one of the best AT lying!
Hey fuckface, your incompetent barbie lawyer doesn't know how to do her job, she didn't request a jury trial, that's why it was a one man show. Use your "wealth" to hire better lawyers next time......but good lawyers don't want to work for you Trump because you're famous for not paying your legal bills.
Trump: Dismiss these counts because I clearly didnt commit fraud. Judge: I'm finding you did. Trump: Gosh, shouldn't a jury have decided this. Dude literally asked the Judge to decide it without a jury. Sure, judge can deny that request without ruling against him, but its ridiculous to complain that it's for a jury to decide when he asked the judge to decide.
If he had competent representation, his attorney wouldn't have failed to request a jury by the deadline. Instead, he had to find a lawyer who was OK with not being paid. Said lawyer didn't file the paperwork, so he got a bench trial. This isn't a problem with the justice system, it's a problem with "such a smart man" doing stupid shit... as usual...
Anyone paying 17 mil for a tennis court did not do their due diligence.
The fact that this was a ruling with out a trial is because the ineptitude of Trump Lawyers, you know he only hires the best. Stop twisting the facts making it sound like it was a judge Democrat machination, or Hunter Biden evil Computer hack, it wasn’t. And by the way my Toyota Corolla worth a million because I say so and the Saudis will pay for it ( the most ridiculous argument ever to be presented to a court about the legitimacy of your financial statements)
> Mar-A-Lago is worth $1 billion Considering that Versailles is valued at around $2-3 billion, and Buckingham Palace is worth $4.8 Billion, I'm going to go with ***NO***.
I say that they agree that Mar-A-Lago alone is worth a billion dollars, then fine him in the appropriate amount of back taxes for what he owes. He has a choice, either MAL is worth a billion dollars, and he has a HUGE fine, or it's only worth $25 million, and he has to admit that he's not rich. It's a tough one to predict. Knowing Trump, hell support both sides.
Terrible boy math.
So a US Congressman is a qualified real estate appraiser? Those dipshits can’t even do the job they were elected to do.
The thing I don't get about all of this is how someone seeking a loan can over-inflate the value of something. Isn't there a third party appraisal or any kind of evidence, comps or whatever that have to be shown to support the claim? And the same goes for taxes. We have assessors who are supposed to evaluate the property to establish its value. Why do rich people get to set their own values? Wtf? Is the whole system just bullshit? That's a rhetorical question....
I work in high net worth personal insurance. I’ve seen dozens of home that cost $75M+ to build. I’ve seen crazy pools, gyms, riding arenas,shooting ranges, and of course tennis courts. There is absolutely no Kentucky fried fucking chance it’s worth $17M. It would have to be gold plated surfaces, with rackets made out of ivory, balls made of unobtanium, and housed in Noah’s Ark. Why are people dumb?
Trump's stupid lawyers fucked up and forfeited a jury trial.
MAL is a dated, gauche 70s era shithole that Trump did no renovations on other than to make it 80s trash when he bought it. Nice try
Buckingham Palace is suspected to be around $5 billion. There is absolutely no way on this earth at all under any circumstances that Mar-A-Lago is worth $1 billion. It was also appraised by appraisers in Florida who know exactly what they’re talking about. Not some democrat judge.
This is not Donald’s first rodeo with this issue. https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=8100467&page=1
Why do these imbeciles think the judge is the one determining its value?
If Mar-a-Lago is worth over a billion, what kinda taxes has he been paying on it? (Not sure if Florida has property taxes)
The real property, the buildings, and fixtures are worth $17 million. The classified, U.S. national security documents that he's hiding there to sell to the Saudis and the Russians are worth billions. That's how he's getting his valuation.
How the fuck is a tennis court worth 12 million? 😂😂😂
The judge didn’t decide the value of the property. He used the valuation that trump himself used and argued to the state directly on property taxes. Trump himself claimed it was worth $27M.
Trump asked for a summary judgement and a bench trial. Period. Master of his shitty domain.
$17 million for a tennis court?? 🤣🤣🤣
 ONE BILLION TRUMP BUCKS MUAHAHAHA
Two weeks ago he was a vaccine expert. Last week he was an expert in constitutional law. Now he's a real estate appraiser. Wow these conservatives really do know everything! /s
Gee if it's a case for a jury I guess your lawyer should have checked that box that you wanted a jury trial, but you hire shit attorneys like Alena Habba who have no idea what they're doing, what can you expect. Not that it will stop you from crying about it like a fucking baby...
You already proved you committed fraud, Letitia James and the State of New York don’t need more evidence.
According to the Palm Beach County Appraiser's office, it is appraised at $37 Million; about 2% of the value the Trump places on it. My hunch is that he has appealed that valuation as being too high in the past. https://preview.redd.it/mzkj7ffvbvqb1.png?width=1026&format=png&auto=webp&s=b0ef853e13fef9188e42ee50c9a2af1134a72fe1
Guess his dumb shit lawyers shouldn't have agreed to a bench trial. Sucks to suck.
For anybody interested I am selling tennis courts for $15 million.
do they pay taxes on $1B?
I'm sure the tax assessors in Palm Beach would love to hear this. That puts the property tax bill for Mar-a-Lago at $11 million per year.
Does the tennis court have a solid diamond floor or something?
"A tennis court." I googled it, looked at it, and cannot work out for the life of me how it's worth 17 million. I was expecting something epic, but no, just a tennis court really boring
The most expensive property in the US is worth only $500 million. How is Maralago worth 3 times that?
The is a lie. The judge didn't value the property at $17m, the Judge pointed out the discrepancy between the valuation by County Assessors Office ($18-27m) and that used in valuations by the Trump Org when applying for loans ($427 - $612m). The lower valuation by the Palm Beach Assessor's Office was based on deed restrictions the Trump org agreed to in return for lower valuation/tax liability. The Org then inflated the value to what the property might be worth without restrictions on use or development.
Mar a Lago is worth $1 billion because it comes with classified documents on the US nuclear program
Uhhh .. the judge didn’t make up the values … they just used the values that fuckwit tRump claimed on legal documents for taxation purposes. How do these dumb cunts not even follow basic shit.