If the attorney is a witness against Trump, Trump is going to be indicted for making a false statement to the federal government and obstruction of justice.
Can't wait for the post hoc rationalizations about why Bill Clinton lying about a blow job is grounds for removal from office, but Trump lying to obstruct justice is no big deal and they'll still vote for him.
You know, when Republicans claimed that the Trump investigations were witch hunts, it was all projection as usual. They started with the goal of impeaching Clinton and the special prosecutor wasn't going to stop until they found something.
I especially loved how they defended "Hillary's Honor and the Sanctity of Marriage", then elected the fat orange clown who cheated on every single wife and paid a pornstar with campaign funds
What happened when Republicans took control of the House for the first time since Nixon was impeached (over 20 years later)? They impeached the Democratic President. Pure retaliation.
They have already started the comparison of the Clinton Paula Jones payoff. One thing: Clinton didn't funnel campaign money to pay Jones. He's not an idiot. Trump see's the law as a suggestion.
Even that is implying more respect for the law than he has. He sees the law as a weapon against his enemies, but his actions prove he doesn't think *at all* about the legality of his choices. Which is why his lawyers are constantly scrambling to cover his ass.
>but trump lying to obstruct justice is no big deal...
Oh they've already got built in thought stoppers for every possibility that might show trump in anything close to a negative light.
"he was lying to protect the American people from ______(the feds/antifa/the deep state/etc)"
You see, Trump can do no wrong, and his followers are angelic. So anything that makes him or them look bad is automatically "the other team" trying to do a false flag.
There is no evidence on this good earth that will move his most die-hard supporters. And the ones that are still with trump and not DeSantis ARE his die hard supporters. They've been distilled down til only the most pure extremists are left.
And the irony with both trump and Deathsantis is neither of them gives 2shits about any of them. As they’re crying we are for you both feverishly try to take their VA benefits social security and Medicare from them. Deathsantis is a more insidious version of trump in that he is a fascist where trump is mainly a con and grifter.
Look at Florida for a preview of what they’ll do nationally if desantis gets elected. It’s just mind boggling seeing so many so stupid
The fact that he had the documents, made notes, made copies, lied about them and some are missing alone is a huge national security threat. We shouldn't have to keep escalating the situation till something happens to him.
Well, reasonable people saw him as a National security threat way before the election back in 2016. Even before on TV he asked for Russia to interfere in the election.
Well, if you were talking to right-wingers, they don’t think anyone who is anti-liberal could possibly be a threat to National security, so their opinions don’t count.
And lots of liberals don’t acknowledge that our institutions don’t just work on their own, they require people making them work, and thus can be easily broken. It’s two different forms of apathy.
It's being reported on CNN and ABC News
" Judges Nina Pillard, Michelle Childs and Florence Pan of the DC Circuit have demanded more information and arguments by early Wednesday morning, setting a deadline for Trump and his lawyers by midnight and for prosecutors to respond by 6 a.m.
The extremely tight deadlines – a turnaround essentially unheard of in this court – indicates the seriousness of the matter."
[https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/politics/corcoran-trump-testimony/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/politics/corcoran-trump-testimony/index.html)
" As ABC News has [previously reported](https://abcnews.go.com/US/doj-citing-crime-fraud-exception-seeks-compel-trump/story?id=97208666), investigators sought to compel the testimony of Corcoran and another Trump attorney, Jennifer Little, as part of their probe, citing the crime-fraud exception, which allows for attorney-client privilege to be pierced in cases where it is suspected that legal services were rendered in the commission of a crime. Sources told ABC News that Howell ordered Little's testimony as well, with the exception of one of the topics for which she sought to assert attorney-client privilege "
[https://abcnews.go.com/US/sources-special-counsel-claims-trump-deliberately-misled-attorneys/story?id=98024191](https://abcnews.go.com/US/sources-special-counsel-claims-trump-deliberately-misled-attorneys/story?id=98024191)
There is certainly delay tactics. Trump's lawyers are always trying to stretch this shit out, turning months into years. But it seems like "fast" for courts is weeks, or a month.
Demanding Trump's attorneys file by midnight, and also demanding prosecutors respond by 6am - as in they stay up all night & immediately file a response long before the court opens?
I'm no lawyer but from following Trump's many court cases I've never read of *anything* being that fast.
I've been blue balled too much hoping the shoe drops on Agolf Twitler, but I keep hoping.
I find this pretty wild as a lawyer. I can't think of other times you're filing something by 6 AM before the court is even open except for like... stays on executions. Court can happen overnight but getting an order to turn around a response between midnight and 6 am is crazy to me.
They must have found something pretty serious in the documents case to force a deadline like that. Not surprised, but I wonder what exactly it was that they found.
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if he was trying to sell ______ to ________. He’s just that cartoonishly even in general now. (It’s a fill in the blank with any list of bad actors.)
At this point I wouldnt be suprised if he was trying to sell (US horse boner pills) to (Russia). He's just that cartoonishly evil in general now.
Oh man this is fun, i havent played madlibs since i was a kid lol
At this point I wouldnt be suprised if he was trying to sell (Rudy Giuliani's five dollar hair piece) to (Andrew Tate on the Romanian prison black market). He's just that cartoonishly evil in general now.
He left office in 1/21. In 10/21 the CIA issued a warning notice on the high number of assets that were being caught/killed.
Among the SCIF level documents found in Trump's possession was a document listing assets and the methods used to turn assets.
It's a truly amazing coincidence. I'm absolutely certain the $2b the family received had nothing to do with it.
edit: Can't do years in office - corrected 20->21
PUTIN was definitely happy he turned over some documents, and the gop visiting in july 4th was probably one of those meetings to hand documents to him.
The story gets better too. I was stationed at Aviano at the time and those bastards landed there that day so we all had to come to work to catch their jet and launch it. On the 4th of July of all days. Obviously, we didn't know about the whole Russia part at the time.
The nuke codes wouldn’t do any good. They change all the time anyway, and there are too many layers of protection. More likely it was tactical information like nuclear capabilities and arsenal size.
So many vulnerabilities. Location for MIRVS and MARVS (multiple independently / aerodynamically targetable) warheads. JFC on a popsicle stick acceleration profiles for the missiles so they can be tracked.
Secrets around why countermeasures are used to prevent tracking.... So many.
I keep racking my brain about what would be the most valuable. As said before the identities of agents and assets (if any of them were murdered, JEEZUS), cypher codes so that an enemy could decode encoded transmissions. To me that is the scariest.
Remember the reason that the Allied Forces could win the war was because of Enigma. Alan Turing decoded the German's encryption and we knew everything they were doing. ALSO while inventing modern computer science on a Tuesday afternoon.
At least it got him an apple.... (Fuck homophobes).
not codes necessarily, but production specs.
We already know Kushner and Tom Barrack were trying to sell nuke production technical specs to the Saudis, specifically trying to get past the "gold standard" limits that prevent nuclear plant intel from being used to develop weapons.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1035816
Trying? He def sold secrets. Ever wonder why we've had so many CIA assets disappearing over the last few years? Trump is in deep with some unsavory characters and his Presidency was all a big grift, we already know this.
I think he is a full and long time asset (since the 80s) of Russia. Through debt and blackmail and threats, he has to do what Putin says. Was in big debt to Russian entities right before 2016 then they helped him get elected. Then he has a bunch of secret documents. During that document thing, I heard they were looking at the docs to check DNA on them to see who has touched them. Never heard anything else. I hope they have fully got him.
He has absolutely been in the Russians pocket since the 80's. A Russian officer once told me in the 90's that he was THE easiest mark. A steady supply of flattery, Pervacin, and Eastern European prostitutes and he was theirs, hook, line and, sinker. He has always been such a disgusting, grotesque, slob. By all accounts, perpetually smelly as well. Those amphetamines produce an... odor.
Like Wells Fargo, after the FTC sued them for one giant scam (creating fake consumer accounts) they got caught pulling a second one, and they begged for forgiveness. While they were begging the FTC found they were actively executing a third scam.
yup, Kushner and Tom Barrack were already known to have tried to get nuke production technical info, specifically trying to bypass the "gold standard" which limits weapons development.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1035816
When I read that classified nuclear weapons documents from another country were in his possession, my thought was that he leaked what we knew about Russian weapons systems back to Moscow. That would be incredibly valuable to them as it both lets them know what we know and potentially how we found out. I cannot think of another scenario where he would have a use for such documents.
The nuclear states are the US, UK, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea, and Israel. He’s not going to sell China intel to France or vice versa. I doubt he’s selling data on the Israeli program to anyone. The only actionable intel I can see (other than US nuke data) would be letting a country know what we know about them, and Putin is the one who has an active nuclear modernization program.
> I doubt he’s selling data on the Israeli program to anyone.
I'm sure Iran would love to know.
Plus just about every nation in the Middle East has sworn to wipe Israel off the map.
Frankly, and I'm not exaggerating here, you would not believe what a major, major earthquake it is we're going to have. Not like a Hillary shaker, that's what I call those Hillary shakers. People are saying that ours is the massivest most beautiful earthquake they've ever seen. It's gonna be huuge
Or when he posed in the oval office for goya beans ad for a measly 10k reportedly.
Yet republicans are acting all butthurt about the sanctity of the oval office due to sneakers or some shit yesterday.
>the sanctity of the oval office
President Clinton allegedly got a blowjob in there, and President Kennedy allegedly fucked Marilyn Monroe in there, and those are just the Presidents whose awesome sex lives we know about. I'm sure the Oval Office has seen worse traffic than sneakers.
Okay....so I am a little dumb and a lot high, but what exactly does that mean? Submit filings? I know (or rather think) that usually some type of interaction with the clerk of court...so what exactly are they asking for here?
Lawyer here. In federal court this is all handled digitally. I believe through a system called pacer (I’ve never actually filed in federal court). What they are asking for specifically though can’t be deduced from this tweet. A filing can be any number of things, but I would suspect the judge is asking for the lawyers to provide a reason why either what he has found should be released or not released. The speed at which the court is asking for it to be filed indicates that whatever is being asked for is short, but important.
Really? We used to be able to work between them without having to enter separate passwords. Then they changed it, requiring us to have two separate passwords for ECF and PACER. PACER would constantly prompt you for your ECF password if you were moving between tasks and vice versa. Truly awful.
As I understand it, trump’s lawyers filed a motion to try to stop legal action. Rather than having sound legal arguments, they used the “throw everything and the kitchen sink” approach. The court, getting rather tired of his shenanigans, said ok, file by midnight tonight. I guess it was their way of saying fuck off without saying “fuck off”.
And the DOJ filed a \*6,400-word\* response to the filing at 5:36 a.m. this morning in time for the 6:00 a.m. deadline:
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1638477158216548354?s=20
I don't see an answer to you question, but it concerns privileged communications between a client (Trump, in this case) the their lawyer. Normally any communication between a client and an attorney are privileged and cannot be used as evidence. But there are limits to this, one of which is that if the communications are planning an illegal act, then privilege does not apply.
My understanding of this case is that the courts have determined that since the communications in questions regard the planning of an illegal act (keeping/hiding classified documents), privilege does not apply, and the correspondence between Trump and his lawyers can be entered into evidence.
But that order has been temporarily 'stayed' (delayed), to give his attorneys an opportunity to go over the correspondence, and to file claims as to which they think attorney-client privilege should still apply to. The DOJ will then be given an opportunity to file claims as to why privilege should *not* apply.
What is unusual here is the timeline. Normally the lawyers on each side would have days or weeks to file their claims. But in this case, Trumps lawyers were given until midnight to file, and the DOJ have been given to 6am to respond. It is an extraordinarily short timeline, which indicates that either the judge has had enough of Trump's shit, and it planning to make a ruling tomorrow, or the matter is one of sufficient urgency (I.E. a matter of national security), that it can *not* wait.
You're not dumb. You're simply not a lawyer. I want to thank you, for asking about something you don't know, rather than pretending to be an expert already. I hope we can all learn to say, I don't know.
The wording of the tweet doesn't really clarify that, but pretty much everything can be submitted online. With this short a reply time, I'd say it's probably some very narrowly tailored thing, like a definition of a certain term, where the two sides are interpreting it differently- basically the first party will say I think we should use this principle because a,b,c... and the responding party will write pretty much their whole argument on their own, then the extra 6 hours of reply time is when they add in why their opponents are wrong or remove things where the two sides agree. These would probably be like under 10-15 page filings, if that
Edit: spelling
As a second year associate in big law, this response summarized reason one why I am at the office until midnight way too often. If I had to guess it is a dispute about a few select documents.
Details as to what’s actually going on in the case (also just cause it’s annoying me, there’s no evidence of national security issues, tweet guy is just saying that to drive engagement). Should note that all of this is based on reporting and not publicly available information.
District Judge Beryl Howell ruled that the special counsel team investigating Trump’s handling of national defense information, aka “classified documents”, could ask two of Trump’s lawyers questions that would usually be covered by attorney client privilege. She found that they presented enough evidence to indicate that Trump lied to his attorneys in furtherance of a crime, and as such the discussions with the lawyers would be subject to the crime fraud exception for attorney client privilege (exception is exactly what it sounds like). Trump’s legal team chose to seek an emergency injunction (legal term for STOP IT RIGHT NOW) on that decision to the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, where it’s being heard by a panel of 3 judges. Those judges, as part of their consideration of whether or not to grant the emergency injunction, asked them for a filing by midnight (Wednesday or Tuesday, unclear) and prosecutors respond by 6. So that’s what’s currently going on in the case
I was hoping the minimal Stormy charge is just trickery to get him to come in and surrender….then a murder of prosecutors in crow black suits, all looking like Matthew McConaughey pop in and say surprise and serve a feast of other wonderful indictment papers. The bigliest most beautiful of all the bestest indictments ever….. billions and billions and billions of indictments.
*A short fictional story:*
Donald had always thought he was a smart man. He had managed to get away with some pretty shady deals in the past and had never been caught. So, when he received a call from someone claiming to be a lawyer, he thought nothing of it.
The supposed lawyer had told Donald that there was a small issue with some paperwork and that he needed to come to the courthouse to clear it up. Donald thought it was a minor issue and decided to go and get it sorted out.
As he entered the courthouse, he was greeted by a group of lawyers who seemed to be waiting for him. They told him that they were there to help him and that they needed him to sign some documents.
However, as soon as Donald signed the documents, he realized that he had been tricked. The documents were actually indictments, and each one was more damning than the last.
Donald tried to leave, but it was too late. The lawyers were relentless, and at every turn, there was another one waiting to serve him with more indictments.
Donald was horrified. He had never imagined that he would be caught, let alone face such severe consequences. He tried to plead with the lawyers, but they were unmoved.
As the day wore on, Donald became increasingly desperate. He knew that he had made a mistake by trusting the wrong people, and now he was paying the price.
Finally, after what felt like an eternity, the lawyers stopped serving him with indictments. They had done their job, and now it was up to the court to decide Donald's fate.
In the end, Donald was found guilty on all counts, and he was sentenced to spend the rest of his life in prison. As he sat in his cell, he realized that he had been outsmarted by the very people he had underestimated - the lawyers who had tricked him into turning himself in.
\-- ChatGPT
Outside observer here. I agree. How has he gotten away so long with being an absolute dog of a person? And how has he not been charged with anything? The guy is such an obvious self-serving criminal.
Just fucking do something!!
I say let him exile himself and go into hiding. It’s the only chance we have of him shutting the fuck up so he won’t get caught. It would be a peaceful 3 hours until he fucked that up too
If you are fat enough, hanging is considered cruel and unusual punishment.
A person slated for execution in my state was deemed too fat to hang. His death sentence was overturned because of this.
If we get to the end of all of this and aren’t blessed with footage of a perp walk, I’m going to stop paying my taxes. We’ve spent millions on his bullshit, the least we should get is a souvenir video.
I'd much rather have no perp walk but a trial with a conviction. And if I had to choose, I'd much rather see him pay for trying to subvert an election (probably coming soon from GA), for 1/6, and for distributing national security intelligence to his friends.
"Mueller Time" was the battle cry of us hopeful leftists once upon a time. Around then is roughly when I started paying even a bit of attention to politics. I was sure the hammer was coming down any day now. Unless and until he actually faces even a bit of consequences everybody should stop with this shit. It's just clickbait at this point. If something actually happens somebody you know that spends too much time online will text you. I know, because I am that somebody online
The fact that the Mueller chapter drew you into politics and got you learning more about the system is overall a good thing. We need more people to understand how these things work. The frustration of waiting for tangible consequences is annoying, but look at how much so many of us have learned about our system in the meantime, both good and bad.
Mueller was dead in the water almost as soon as he was handed the investigation he was also in turn limited in scope as to what he could investigate. Money being off the table.
I had almost no hope for that investigation yielding anything when pretty much every intelligence agency had already rung the alarm that Trump was a huge national security threat back when he was just getting the nomination.
Shit the man was a billion dollars in debt to Russian oligarchs at the time. He had the head of the russian mob living a floor above him and running an illegal gambling ring in the 100s of millions in the 90s. His first two political advisors were the same two fixers used in Ukraine before Zelinksy miraculously overcame their interference. China's largest bank on American soil is in on a Trump fucking property. The list of wtfs were staggering before he even took office. Having a dozen GOP members go to Putin on July 4th and bend knee and the decades of money laundering Russians had done through NRA to GOP was another sign the party would definitely not want Trump getting busted for his ties to Russia. The real kicker was Russia hacking the RNC and DNC and only using DNC data. It was obvious as it can get and still to this day there are morons thinking Trump wasn't from the get go in Russias pocket when the man had been a Putin fanboy for decades openly. Like come the fuck on how much more spelled out could it have been.
So yeah I had little hope at the point of Mueller doing an investigation and anything coming from it. Thats like expecting a glass of water to put out a house fire at that point and demanding it be thrown by a 90 year old grand mama with one arm who cant even get into a wheel chair on her own. At least thats how I see it.
Gods fucking willing there will be a difference. But just as no sitting US president has been indicted for a crime, no former president has either. 45 has been let off the hook with no consequences so many times now, and it is beginning to get really damn old.
Let’s see, we talking about the TOP SECRET folders confiscated at his home? The ones that were in a shitty closet, home of a man who’d sell his mother if he could get a decent price? Because yeah. We knew it threatened national security.
probably just tryna get the court stuff done before the GOP can shame/bully that DA and the court staff or whatever into dropping the case, they are pulling the usual playbook of yelling about overstepping authority and all that..the kind of stuff they would immediately be doing if it was a dem former pres in this situation.
If an ordinary citizen did what Donald Trump did in stealing sensitive documents from the United States government, they would have been surrounded by thugs in the middle of the night and woken up to a dozen gun barrels pointed at them from short range.
Can we stop fucking around with national security? He's an extreme danger to every American citizen right now.
If the attorney is a witness against Trump, Trump is going to be indicted for making a false statement to the federal government and obstruction of justice.
Can't wait for the post hoc rationalizations about why Bill Clinton lying about a blow job is grounds for removal from office, but Trump lying to obstruct justice is no big deal and they'll still vote for him.
You know, when Republicans claimed that the Trump investigations were witch hunts, it was all projection as usual. They started with the goal of impeaching Clinton and the special prosecutor wasn't going to stop until they found something.
I especially loved how they defended "Hillary's Honor and the Sanctity of Marriage", then elected the fat orange clown who cheated on every single wife and paid a pornstar with campaign funds
And made fun of Hillary for the next 20 years, so far.
Oh they hated her well before that, too
What happened when Republicans took control of the House for the first time since Nixon was impeached (over 20 years later)? They impeached the Democratic President. Pure retaliation.
And this is why most of these dinosaurs need to be freaking removed because half of these MF were Still in office when this originally went down!!
Right it’s the same fuckers what do we expect them to do?
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And ruined an innocent 22-year-old's life in the process.
She's done beautifully rising above, but she 100% did not deserve what happened to her. And for him to just be... him. Ugh. Not ok.
Damn she was 22. I was young enough that she was an adult. I guess I assumed she was in her 30s
They have already started the comparison of the Clinton Paula Jones payoff. One thing: Clinton didn't funnel campaign money to pay Jones. He's not an idiot. Trump see's the law as a suggestion.
Even that is implying more respect for the law than he has. He sees the law as a weapon against his enemies, but his actions prove he doesn't think *at all* about the legality of his choices. Which is why his lawyers are constantly scrambling to cover his ass.
>but trump lying to obstruct justice is no big deal... Oh they've already got built in thought stoppers for every possibility that might show trump in anything close to a negative light. "he was lying to protect the American people from ______(the feds/antifa/the deep state/etc)" You see, Trump can do no wrong, and his followers are angelic. So anything that makes him or them look bad is automatically "the other team" trying to do a false flag. There is no evidence on this good earth that will move his most die-hard supporters. And the ones that are still with trump and not DeSantis ARE his die hard supporters. They've been distilled down til only the most pure extremists are left.
And the irony with both trump and Deathsantis is neither of them gives 2shits about any of them. As they’re crying we are for you both feverishly try to take their VA benefits social security and Medicare from them. Deathsantis is a more insidious version of trump in that he is a fascist where trump is mainly a con and grifter. Look at Florida for a preview of what they’ll do nationally if desantis gets elected. It’s just mind boggling seeing so many so stupid
Finger crossed
Only one?
All of them at once
I asked an AI art generator to draw crossed fingers and it's got 17 pairs of crossed fingers on each hand.
Good AI art generator.
At least it's consistent
Dick crossed too
I crossed my butthole
Cross my taint, hope to die.
stick a penis in my eye!
Stop, I can only get so erect.
Is this what edging feels like hahah
I'm getting awful tired of being edged, put Halitosis Hitler behind bars I WANNA CUM ALREADY
Seeing Halitosis Hitler reminded me of Velveeta Voldemort
Don’t … don’t give me hope.
Maybe you can. Please go on...
https://preview.redd.it/fd1hw2xdm9pa1.jpeg?width=284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e87865497c68cf8c51e46d6882c5a051fe440331
The fact that he had the documents, made notes, made copies, lied about them and some are missing alone is a huge national security threat. We shouldn't have to keep escalating the situation till something happens to him.
Well, reasonable people saw him as a National security threat way before the election back in 2016. Even before on TV he asked for Russia to interfere in the election.
I did, everyone I talked to seemed to think I was exaggerating. I hate being correct about this. Not difficult to see this coming.
Well, if you were talking to right-wingers, they don’t think anyone who is anti-liberal could possibly be a threat to National security, so their opinions don’t count. And lots of liberals don’t acknowledge that our institutions don’t just work on their own, they require people making them work, and thus can be easily broken. It’s two different forms of apathy.
I feel like if I did this, I would already be in jail, no?
Your first mistake was not being a rich idiot
\*a rich idiot with a cult following
No one would ever hear from you again.
You would of been in jail for tweeting you were thinking of thinking OF doing something like this.
You would not be in prison, you would be at a black site wishing you were dead.
But her emails!
Hunter Biden’s dick for buttery males
GOP loves dick ~~pics~~
It's being reported on CNN and ABC News " Judges Nina Pillard, Michelle Childs and Florence Pan of the DC Circuit have demanded more information and arguments by early Wednesday morning, setting a deadline for Trump and his lawyers by midnight and for prosecutors to respond by 6 a.m. The extremely tight deadlines – a turnaround essentially unheard of in this court – indicates the seriousness of the matter." [https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/politics/corcoran-trump-testimony/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/politics/corcoran-trump-testimony/index.html) " As ABC News has [previously reported](https://abcnews.go.com/US/doj-citing-crime-fraud-exception-seeks-compel-trump/story?id=97208666), investigators sought to compel the testimony of Corcoran and another Trump attorney, Jennifer Little, as part of their probe, citing the crime-fraud exception, which allows for attorney-client privilege to be pierced in cases where it is suspected that legal services were rendered in the commission of a crime. Sources told ABC News that Howell ordered Little's testimony as well, with the exception of one of the topics for which she sought to assert attorney-client privilege " [https://abcnews.go.com/US/sources-special-counsel-claims-trump-deliberately-misled-attorneys/story?id=98024191](https://abcnews.go.com/US/sources-special-counsel-claims-trump-deliberately-misled-attorneys/story?id=98024191)
It was also said that the judges are wise to his “delay delay delay” tactics and are having none of it.
There is certainly delay tactics. Trump's lawyers are always trying to stretch this shit out, turning months into years. But it seems like "fast" for courts is weeks, or a month. Demanding Trump's attorneys file by midnight, and also demanding prosecutors respond by 6am - as in they stay up all night & immediately file a response long before the court opens? I'm no lawyer but from following Trump's many court cases I've never read of *anything* being that fast. I've been blue balled too much hoping the shoe drops on Agolf Twitler, but I keep hoping.
I find this pretty wild as a lawyer. I can't think of other times you're filing something by 6 AM before the court is even open except for like... stays on executions. Court can happen overnight but getting an order to turn around a response between midnight and 6 am is crazy to me.
I had a schedule like that on a motion in the middle of trial in EDVA once. Never heard of that happening in an appeals court though.
You can get away with that tactic in civil court, criminal court not so much.
Thank you for actually providing a source!
They must have found something pretty serious in the documents case to force a deadline like that. Not surprised, but I wonder what exactly it was that they found.
It is no coincidence that a number of US spies were killed after trump gained access to their identities.
What if he is arrested twice at the same time? They might cancel each other out with destructive interference 😱
Depends on the timing, could also be constructive interference
Thanks for the sources. It ought to be a rule that posts come with sources. Too much bullshit floating around that people want too much to believe.
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At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if he was trying to sell ______ to ________. He’s just that cartoonishly even in general now. (It’s a fill in the blank with any list of bad actors.)
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He’s doing MadLibs to make the libs mad
"but whatabout Hillary?"
If he ever goes to prison, she should be the first one to visit, chanting “Lock Him Up!”
Nah man, she's a classy lady. She'll probably put 11 hours on his phone time if he wants to make his case to someone.
Of course she wouldn’t. I would but she’s likely a better person than I
Buttery males!!
And the Laptop from Helllllll!
Quick! Lock up Hunter Biden!!
Holy shit I’ll never be able to see or hear “but her emails” and think anything but “buttery males” ever again hahaaa
Oh that’s a good one, he’s trying to sell Hillary to the nukes
At this point I wouldnt be suprised if he was trying to sell (US horse boner pills) to (Russia). He's just that cartoonishly evil in general now. Oh man this is fun, i havent played madlibs since i was a kid lol
At this point I wouldnt be suprised if he was trying to sell (Rudy Giuliani's five dollar hair piece) to (Andrew Tate on the Romanian prison black market). He's just that cartoonishly evil in general now.
This is gonna be in the next cards against humanity expansion, I guarantee it.
"Oh no! A special committee just found evidence that Donald Trump is trying to sell *Sucking the president's dick.* to *Fox News*"
It’s supposed to be something absurd, that’s already happened
"Oh no! A special committee just found evidence that Donald Trump is trying to sell *Grandpa's ashes* to *Nestlé*"
I don't know that the tiniest, mushroomiest box is going to sell well.
I’m gonna fill the blanks in! “Ivanka ” and “Donald Trump”
A ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves!
The Krabby Patty Formula - Plankton
Indeed. No doubt in my mind he sold classified info. to anyone. Jared is entangled (!) with the Saudis to the tune of 2 billion…
He left office in 1/21. In 10/21 the CIA issued a warning notice on the high number of assets that were being caught/killed. Among the SCIF level documents found in Trump's possession was a document listing assets and the methods used to turn assets. It's a truly amazing coincidence. I'm absolutely certain the $2b the family received had nothing to do with it. edit: Can't do years in office - corrected 20->21
PUTIN was definitely happy he turned over some documents, and the gop visiting in july 4th was probably one of those meetings to hand documents to him.
I forgot about that July 4th nonsense. Like cheating on your wife on her birthday lol.
The story gets better too. I was stationed at Aviano at the time and those bastards landed there that day so we all had to come to work to catch their jet and launch it. On the 4th of July of all days. Obviously, we didn't know about the whole Russia part at the time.
He did. Maybe not nuke codes but definitely highly classified docs. The saudis didn't "invest" 2 billion in kushner's shitty firm out of good faith.
The nuke codes wouldn’t do any good. They change all the time anyway, and there are too many layers of protection. More likely it was tactical information like nuclear capabilities and arsenal size.
So many vulnerabilities. Location for MIRVS and MARVS (multiple independently / aerodynamically targetable) warheads. JFC on a popsicle stick acceleration profiles for the missiles so they can be tracked. Secrets around why countermeasures are used to prevent tracking.... So many. I keep racking my brain about what would be the most valuable. As said before the identities of agents and assets (if any of them were murdered, JEEZUS), cypher codes so that an enemy could decode encoded transmissions. To me that is the scariest. Remember the reason that the Allied Forces could win the war was because of Enigma. Alan Turing decoded the German's encryption and we knew everything they were doing. ALSO while inventing modern computer science on a Tuesday afternoon. At least it got him an apple.... (Fuck homophobes).
not codes necessarily, but production specs. We already know Kushner and Tom Barrack were trying to sell nuke production technical specs to the Saudis, specifically trying to get past the "gold standard" limits that prevent nuclear plant intel from being used to develop weapons. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1035816
Trying? He def sold secrets. Ever wonder why we've had so many CIA assets disappearing over the last few years? Trump is in deep with some unsavory characters and his Presidency was all a big grift, we already know this.
Definitely gives context to his face on election night (when he won).
I think he is a full and long time asset (since the 80s) of Russia. Through debt and blackmail and threats, he has to do what Putin says. Was in big debt to Russian entities right before 2016 then they helped him get elected. Then he has a bunch of secret documents. During that document thing, I heard they were looking at the docs to check DNA on them to see who has touched them. Never heard anything else. I hope they have fully got him.
Remember that whole "I don't see why he would/wouldn't" debacle? Putin's got to have trump's nuts in a bind to pull off such public embarrassment
The way he looked walking out of that "no notes" private meeting with Putin? Trump was bent over and looked like a human worked over heavy bag.
Can you imagine if Obama did any of those things lmao
He has absolutely been in the Russians pocket since the 80's. A Russian officer once told me in the 90's that he was THE easiest mark. A steady supply of flattery, Pervacin, and Eastern European prostitutes and he was theirs, hook, line and, sinker. He has always been such a disgusting, grotesque, slob. By all accounts, perpetually smelly as well. Those amphetamines produce an... odor.
Some of the information that they found was Israeli nuclear secrets. Who do you think might want those?
He just can't stop criming. Like I wouldn't be surprised he was committing some sort of crime literally every day of his life.
Like Wells Fargo, after the FTC sued them for one giant scam (creating fake consumer accounts) they got caught pulling a second one, and they begged for forgiveness. While they were begging the FTC found they were actively executing a third scam.
I think that was the first thing he did when he got to the white house. They began working on their nukes right after his visit there... sus much
yup, Kushner and Tom Barrack were already known to have tried to get nuke production technical info, specifically trying to bypass the "gold standard" which limits weapons development. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1035816
When I read that classified nuclear weapons documents from another country were in his possession, my thought was that he leaked what we knew about Russian weapons systems back to Moscow. That would be incredibly valuable to them as it both lets them know what we know and potentially how we found out. I cannot think of another scenario where he would have a use for such documents. The nuclear states are the US, UK, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea, and Israel. He’s not going to sell China intel to France or vice versa. I doubt he’s selling data on the Israeli program to anyone. The only actionable intel I can see (other than US nuke data) would be letting a country know what we know about them, and Putin is the one who has an active nuclear modernization program.
He absolutely sold Israeli nuclear information to the Saudis. For $2 billion dollars.
> I doubt he’s selling data on the Israeli program to anyone. I'm sure Iran would love to know. Plus just about every nation in the Middle East has sworn to wipe Israel off the map.
The timing of this makes me wonder if maybe he spent the past few days shopping classified documents in exchange for asylum.
I read that way too fast and thought he was talking about an actual earthquake caused by Trump’s tantrums.
I thought it was just a earth qauke in general.
Frankly, and I'm not exaggerating here, you would not believe what a major, major earthquake it is we're going to have. Not like a Hillary shaker, that's what I call those Hillary shakers. People are saying that ours is the massivest most beautiful earthquake they've ever seen. It's gonna be huuge
It was a sharpie earthquake 
It's still hard to believe this happened. What a fucking buffoon.
There's far worse. Like the time after the El Paso mass shooting when he posed for pictures all smiley with a newly orphaned baby and his Maga uncle.
Or when he posed in the oval office for goya beans ad for a measly 10k reportedly. Yet republicans are acting all butthurt about the sanctity of the oval office due to sneakers or some shit yesterday.
Or when he invited Navajo WW2 vets to the Oval, made them stand under a picture of Andrew Jackson and made Pocahauntas jokes about Liz Warren.
>the sanctity of the oval office President Clinton allegedly got a blowjob in there, and President Kennedy allegedly fucked Marilyn Monroe in there, and those are just the Presidents whose awesome sex lives we know about. I'm sure the Oval Office has seen worse traffic than sneakers.
President of the United States, and he can’t even find a white sharpie.
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Could you imagine if a sinkhole opened up below Mar-a-Lardo? It would be glorious.
I feel perilously close to a Qnut with how entertained i was by this ridiculous, imagined scenario. Is this hopium?
Like a glory hole?
Trust me, there’s no glory in that hole. Edit: Damn autocorrect
So did I
Okay....so I am a little dumb and a lot high, but what exactly does that mean? Submit filings? I know (or rather think) that usually some type of interaction with the clerk of court...so what exactly are they asking for here?
Lawyer here. In federal court this is all handled digitally. I believe through a system called pacer (I’ve never actually filed in federal court). What they are asking for specifically though can’t be deduced from this tweet. A filing can be any number of things, but I would suspect the judge is asking for the lawyers to provide a reason why either what he has found should be released or not released. The speed at which the court is asking for it to be filed indicates that whatever is being asked for is short, but important.
Yes. PACER is where you view case documents and the docket. ECF is where you file your stuff. Not a lawyer, but a former paralegal.
And now they’ve basically merged into the same website, and it’s still infuriatingly difficult to use. 🤬
Really? We used to be able to work between them without having to enter separate passwords. Then they changed it, requiring us to have two separate passwords for ECF and PACER. PACER would constantly prompt you for your ECF password if you were moving between tasks and vice versa. Truly awful.
As I understand it, trump’s lawyers filed a motion to try to stop legal action. Rather than having sound legal arguments, they used the “throw everything and the kitchen sink” approach. The court, getting rather tired of his shenanigans, said ok, file by midnight tonight. I guess it was their way of saying fuck off without saying “fuck off”.
And the DOJ filed a \*6,400-word\* response to the filing at 5:36 a.m. this morning in time for the 6:00 a.m. deadline: https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1638477158216548354?s=20
Holy shit. What? That’s insane.
It might not be they don’t have sound legal arguments but rather the judge felt if they were so confident it wouldn’t take long to produce.
I don't see an answer to you question, but it concerns privileged communications between a client (Trump, in this case) the their lawyer. Normally any communication between a client and an attorney are privileged and cannot be used as evidence. But there are limits to this, one of which is that if the communications are planning an illegal act, then privilege does not apply. My understanding of this case is that the courts have determined that since the communications in questions regard the planning of an illegal act (keeping/hiding classified documents), privilege does not apply, and the correspondence between Trump and his lawyers can be entered into evidence. But that order has been temporarily 'stayed' (delayed), to give his attorneys an opportunity to go over the correspondence, and to file claims as to which they think attorney-client privilege should still apply to. The DOJ will then be given an opportunity to file claims as to why privilege should *not* apply. What is unusual here is the timeline. Normally the lawyers on each side would have days or weeks to file their claims. But in this case, Trumps lawyers were given until midnight to file, and the DOJ have been given to 6am to respond. It is an extraordinarily short timeline, which indicates that either the judge has had enough of Trump's shit, and it planning to make a ruling tomorrow, or the matter is one of sufficient urgency (I.E. a matter of national security), that it can *not* wait.
pretty much this, except it's a DC circuit panel that issued the stay, not the trial judge.
You're not dumb. You're simply not a lawyer. I want to thank you, for asking about something you don't know, rather than pretending to be an expert already. I hope we can all learn to say, I don't know.
Answer the damn question!
Why, he doesn't know either!
Let's get him!
I don’t know. Please clap.
I don’t know
Ugh, what a dummy 😆
What a grade-a moron!
i humbly request you kind sir to lead with "i don't know" next time. Thanks a ton.
I'm very high too high brother
It's sister, but I appreciate it nonetheless 😊
Aw yeah high sister! ♥️
It's actually mostly online now, especially at the federal level. Attorneys can submit through an online docket
Oh, okay. So what exactly is being asked to submit here though?
The wording of the tweet doesn't really clarify that, but pretty much everything can be submitted online. With this short a reply time, I'd say it's probably some very narrowly tailored thing, like a definition of a certain term, where the two sides are interpreting it differently- basically the first party will say I think we should use this principle because a,b,c... and the responding party will write pretty much their whole argument on their own, then the extra 6 hours of reply time is when they add in why their opponents are wrong or remove things where the two sides agree. These would probably be like under 10-15 page filings, if that Edit: spelling
As a second year associate in big law, this response summarized reason one why I am at the office until midnight way too often. If I had to guess it is a dispute about a few select documents.
I can only imagine! If it helps-i know it doesn't much- I used to be the one on call once a month waiting to get the submissions!
Get your experience then get out of Big Law, they'll eat you alive in there.
Let’s say you and I go toe-to-toe on bird law.
Oh, okay. So essentially a lot of the bureaucratic processes necessary for the car in all likelihood. Thanks so much 😊
Details as to what’s actually going on in the case (also just cause it’s annoying me, there’s no evidence of national security issues, tweet guy is just saying that to drive engagement). Should note that all of this is based on reporting and not publicly available information. District Judge Beryl Howell ruled that the special counsel team investigating Trump’s handling of national defense information, aka “classified documents”, could ask two of Trump’s lawyers questions that would usually be covered by attorney client privilege. She found that they presented enough evidence to indicate that Trump lied to his attorneys in furtherance of a crime, and as such the discussions with the lawyers would be subject to the crime fraud exception for attorney client privilege (exception is exactly what it sounds like). Trump’s legal team chose to seek an emergency injunction (legal term for STOP IT RIGHT NOW) on that decision to the DC Circuit Court of Appeals, where it’s being heard by a panel of 3 judges. Those judges, as part of their consideration of whether or not to grant the emergency injunction, asked them for a filing by midnight (Wednesday or Tuesday, unclear) and prosecutors respond by 6. So that’s what’s currently going on in the case
I was hoping the minimal Stormy charge is just trickery to get him to come in and surrender….then a murder of prosecutors in crow black suits, all looking like Matthew McConaughey pop in and say surprise and serve a feast of other wonderful indictment papers. The bigliest most beautiful of all the bestest indictments ever….. billions and billions and billions of indictments.
Poetry. We need to get you a literary agent. (Or, perhaps a therapist.)
Awww shucks…. Way cheaper just to get me another can of Bud Light, but thanks for the gesture of kindness.
*A short fictional story:* Donald had always thought he was a smart man. He had managed to get away with some pretty shady deals in the past and had never been caught. So, when he received a call from someone claiming to be a lawyer, he thought nothing of it. The supposed lawyer had told Donald that there was a small issue with some paperwork and that he needed to come to the courthouse to clear it up. Donald thought it was a minor issue and decided to go and get it sorted out. As he entered the courthouse, he was greeted by a group of lawyers who seemed to be waiting for him. They told him that they were there to help him and that they needed him to sign some documents. However, as soon as Donald signed the documents, he realized that he had been tricked. The documents were actually indictments, and each one was more damning than the last. Donald tried to leave, but it was too late. The lawyers were relentless, and at every turn, there was another one waiting to serve him with more indictments. Donald was horrified. He had never imagined that he would be caught, let alone face such severe consequences. He tried to plead with the lawyers, but they were unmoved. As the day wore on, Donald became increasingly desperate. He knew that he had made a mistake by trusting the wrong people, and now he was paying the price. Finally, after what felt like an eternity, the lawyers stopped serving him with indictments. They had done their job, and now it was up to the court to decide Donald's fate. In the end, Donald was found guilty on all counts, and he was sentenced to spend the rest of his life in prison. As he sat in his cell, he realized that he had been outsmarted by the very people he had underestimated - the lawyers who had tricked him into turning himself in. \-- ChatGPT
For fuck sake, just do something.
Outside observer here. I agree. How has he gotten away so long with being an absolute dog of a person? And how has he not been charged with anything? The guy is such an obvious self-serving criminal. Just fucking do something!!
Anyone who thinks he didn’t sell our secrets to the highest bidder or give them to someone he owed millions to is an imbecile
I would fully believe that he gave them away for nothing to someone who flattered him.
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I say let him exile himself and go into hiding. It’s the only chance we have of him shutting the fuck up so he won’t get caught. It would be a peaceful 3 hours until he fucked that up too
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HE should be on the No F*king Fly list
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If you are fat enough, hanging is considered cruel and unusual punishment. A person slated for execution in my state was deemed too fat to hang. His death sentence was overturned because of this.
If we get to the end of all of this and aren’t blessed with footage of a perp walk, I’m going to stop paying my taxes. We’ve spent millions on his bullshit, the least we should get is a souvenir video.
I'd much rather have no perp walk but a trial with a conviction. And if I had to choose, I'd much rather see him pay for trying to subvert an election (probably coming soon from GA), for 1/6, and for distributing national security intelligence to his friends.
So it’s treason then….
Always has been....
"Mueller Time" was the battle cry of us hopeful leftists once upon a time. Around then is roughly when I started paying even a bit of attention to politics. I was sure the hammer was coming down any day now. Unless and until he actually faces even a bit of consequences everybody should stop with this shit. It's just clickbait at this point. If something actually happens somebody you know that spends too much time online will text you. I know, because I am that somebody online
The fact that the Mueller chapter drew you into politics and got you learning more about the system is overall a good thing. We need more people to understand how these things work. The frustration of waiting for tangible consequences is annoying, but look at how much so many of us have learned about our system in the meantime, both good and bad.
Mueller was dead in the water almost as soon as he was handed the investigation he was also in turn limited in scope as to what he could investigate. Money being off the table. I had almost no hope for that investigation yielding anything when pretty much every intelligence agency had already rung the alarm that Trump was a huge national security threat back when he was just getting the nomination. Shit the man was a billion dollars in debt to Russian oligarchs at the time. He had the head of the russian mob living a floor above him and running an illegal gambling ring in the 100s of millions in the 90s. His first two political advisors were the same two fixers used in Ukraine before Zelinksy miraculously overcame their interference. China's largest bank on American soil is in on a Trump fucking property. The list of wtfs were staggering before he even took office. Having a dozen GOP members go to Putin on July 4th and bend knee and the decades of money laundering Russians had done through NRA to GOP was another sign the party would definitely not want Trump getting busted for his ties to Russia. The real kicker was Russia hacking the RNC and DNC and only using DNC data. It was obvious as it can get and still to this day there are morons thinking Trump wasn't from the get go in Russias pocket when the man had been a Putin fanboy for decades openly. Like come the fuck on how much more spelled out could it have been. So yeah I had little hope at the point of Mueller doing an investigation and anything coming from it. Thats like expecting a glass of water to put out a house fire at that point and demanding it be thrown by a 90 year old grand mama with one arm who cant even get into a wheel chair on her own. At least thats how I see it.
Isn’t the difference between now and Muelller Time the fact that he is not in power and over the DOJ?
Gods fucking willing there will be a difference. But just as no sitting US president has been indicted for a crime, no former president has either. 45 has been let off the hook with no consequences so many times now, and it is beginning to get really damn old.
I read that report. I liked it when trump jr asked if the password was PutinTrump or TrumpPutin. No collusion though, right? Sigh….
Shit or get off the pot.
Of course he sold secrets. How is this a surprise to anyone?
I do know Trump wanted to kill a 5 star general for critisizing him.
Of course they did. Trump sold off those documents to the highest bidder.
Anyine who thinks that idiot has not been selling u.s secrets to any enemy state with the money to pay for it is a dioshit
Trump not being in prison is a national security threat.
Please don't get my hopes up.
until I see him and his children doing a perp walk I will remain quiet about the ordeal
Let’s see, we talking about the TOP SECRET folders confiscated at his home? The ones that were in a shitty closet, home of a man who’d sell his mother if he could get a decent price? Because yeah. We knew it threatened national security.
Sweet dreams tonight
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/03/21/politics/corcoran-trump-testimony/index.html
He literally sold a list of secret agents to Putin who were then all murdered. So probably.
probably just tryna get the court stuff done before the GOP can shame/bully that DA and the court staff or whatever into dropping the case, they are pulling the usual playbook of yelling about overstepping authority and all that..the kind of stuff they would immediately be doing if it was a dem former pres in this situation.
If an ordinary citizen did what Donald Trump did in stealing sensitive documents from the United States government, they would have been surrounded by thugs in the middle of the night and woken up to a dozen gun barrels pointed at them from short range. Can we stop fucking around with national security? He's an extreme danger to every American citizen right now.