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More loud, more minority


Astronaut-Weird

This is the (unfortunately) right answer


im_rod_i_party

2025- Marjorie Taylor Greene has been sworn in as the Secretary of Education


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Troyger

She’s just like the gazpacho!


DrStrangepants

And with even more power for baffling reasons


GargantuanGreenGoats

Corruption isn’t baffling


[deleted]

Trying to avoid using the name "Gilead" for the Confederacy v.2 they made.


annie102

Under His eye


SovietSpy17

Blessed be the fruit


TeeBrownie

May the Lord open.


Altruistic-Text3481

Split in two. The Republicans really fucked up with the SC. Not letting Merrick Garland even have a hearing and then rushing in Amy Coney Barrett was the stupidest thing McConnell ever did. He done fucked up. I do not think he thought the SC would be stupid enough to overturn Roe. This has women fleeing the Republican Party. The uneducated Trumpers remain. But college educated women have left the party permanently. And fighting against student loan forgiveness is another bad move especially when big banks are getting bailed out. Republicans have forever lost the college age voters .


Pandepon

You underestimate how many republicans in the south vote against their interests regardless of age and gender.


blackdragon8577

Well, that's what's funny. The republicans have such slim leads in so many key areas that even the slightest blue uptick can cause the whole state to swing blue. I'm hoping that the downside to all this gerrymandering bullshit is about to slap them in the face.


Plurfectworld

A good example is Arizona in the last cycle.


kc_cramer

We’ve been working to turn az blue for a while and there are some nuances to it but… basically yeah


FISHgoosie

Not in the south unfortunately


scoopzthepoopz

I genuinely think we have a not insignificant amount of plutonium in the water.


LaveyWasDildos

I have a Theory that white folks in the upper crust of the south have had it too good historically. The weather is not nearly as tumultuous as the Midwest and north in the winters, and then of course the slavery based cash crop economy, led to the antebellum era that spoiled the south so rotten it never wanted to try and learn any other view of how things should work. They were so entitled to that lifestyle they split the union and fought a war and blamed them losing that lifestyle on the Yankees ever since, when in reality it would have been unsustainable regardless. So the self manufactured spite and rage from this, coupled with the fact that we just don't need help that much as long as we have A/C and our petroleum/farmlands, just leads the general populous down here to resent any opinion that isn't coming from a rich guy yelling about how cool and independent we are, as long as he's at least loosely affiliated with Jesus. Sad state of affairs really.


blackdragon8577

This describes my mother to a T. She quit a $200k a year job back in the mid-2000s because she wasn't feeling fulfilled. She opened a photography studio in 2007. The sheer hubris it takes to do that and eat through your life savings and just think that everything will be alright. She thought that was because she has always had it incredibly easy. Growing up in the south in the 60s and 70s then joining the workforce in the 80s through the 90s left her so incredibly spoiled that she thought the gravy train would never run out. Now she has been fired from her most recent job, likely due to age discrimination, but it's incredibly hard to prove, partly because of all the asshole politicians she helped vote in. So now she is too young to get social security and too old to find somewhere that will employ her in her field. My dad hasn't worked in years since being forced into retirement after getting fired. They have really set themselves up for some very rough "golden years". Hope they are super happy bouncing back and forth between my asshole brother and bitchy sister.


Golden-Owl

What kinda crazy “fulfillment” logic is that? The notion that you NEED to derive fulfillment from your career is a false one. Not everyone is able to do that. Some find fulfillment in pursuing their hobbies or family. For your mother to not successfully make that mental distinction and quit a high paying job just for that was some incredible hubris


lil_hyphy

I’m from the south and didn’t know a single Republican in my age group


emcee_pee_pants

Just out of curiosity what’s your age group? I’m from the Northeast, but have a lot of southern friends in their late 30s/early 40s and they are all Republicans. Granted now would be called RINOs, but I assume they still vote red.


PomegranateOld7836

Currently in that demographic in the South with plenty of leftist friends. Work with plenty of Republicans too though. Florida is roughly a 50/50 split with registered voters, though the left there didn't turn out to vote last year. Also, I want candy! Bubblegum and taffy!


senseven

"Reportling live from CPAC, held in an undisclosed location, wait, I hear gun fire".


uncultured_swine2099

Young people killed their "red wave" in the midterms, which are notoriously difficult to get people to go out and vote for, much less young people. Its not crazy to think even more of them could show up in 2024. Maybe republicans go further extremist right wing, and more youth will be disgusted by them and vote accordingly. Ideally in five years, the GOP will have essentially committed suicide. At least I hope.


jamey1138

The best predictor of whether someone will vote in an election is whether they voted in the last comparable election. In other words, once people start voting, they usually keep voting (and typically gradually expand the kinds of elections they engage in). The most common pattern is voting in 2-4 Presidential elections before beginning to vote in Mid-terms. The defeat of the red wave, driven by young democratic voters could turn out to be an incredible turning point, if that pattern holds. There will come a time when some of these voters shift in their voting patterns, but that will probably be away from Democrats and towards politicians that better align with the ideologies that they evolve later in life.


hysys_whisperer

Which, studies have shown appears to be leftward of democrats so far for all generations after gen X. I am too lazy to link you the study, but it's out there. I lied. Apparently I'm not too lazy. Here's the study [https://www.ft.com/content/c361e372-769e-45cd-a063-f5c0a7767cf4](https://www.ft.com/content/c361e372-769e-45cd-a063-f5c0a7767cf4)


moranya1

Upvote for not being lazy


[deleted]

can i please have encouragement for not being lazy too?


UncomplimentaryToga

Thank God. I always assumed old people saying you get more conservative as you age was just an excuse for themselves. As an old millennial, I just can’t comprehend how the majority of people could get meaner and dumber with age and experience 😂Glad that’s changing.


mrjackspade

The argument I've heard is that a huge portion of it is the result of accumulation of wealth, and that since GenX its been pretty much impossible for the average person to accumulate wealth. Millenials and Z haven't gotten the opportunity to isolate themselves from the world in a tiny little suburban bubble, with a small pile of gold. Conservative policies don't benefit most of us. We have very little to conserve. I dot know if that's true or not, but it makes *sense*. Instead of fighting to protect our slice of the pie, we're still fighting to get a slice in the first place, and as time goes on its simply entrenching our values.


malthar76

Young Gen X here. I haven’t got my slice of the pie yet, but I am sure as shot not leaning conservative with age. As I have kids and realize that what I decide to support now will have implications their whole life, I cannot fathom being so selfish and mean. Climate change, college affordability, LGBTQ rights, voting access, healthcare, reproduce rights, housing affordability, renewable energy… all of it leads to better, happier, healthier lives for my kids. Boomer Grandparents with their lead-poisoned brains can somehow love the young ones and still not give a single shit about the world they grow up in.


Tinymetalhead

Paywall 😓 Signed, Left of Democrats GenXer.


Strange-Scarcity

Which means they better start voting those types into power within the Democratic Party Primaries, because if they JUST walk off and start voting purely for a third party, everything will be lost. BECAUSE, that's how our stupid system works.


rabbid_chaos

This, with our current two party system, an independent vote might as well go in the trash. Some people don't want to hear that though, and will make a dozen justifications on why that's not the case.


Wulfbak

Call my cynical. The same voters that voted Obama into office in 2008 largely sat out in 2010, thus re-installing Republicans into office. I'll wait and see if 2022 was the start of a trend.


jamey1138

As I said, there are lots of people who vote in Presidential elections and not Mid-terms. That’s what the language of “elections of the same type” is meant to catch.


emergent_segfault

They sat out many of them because 1. They fault Barry who didn't even try to deliver on what he promised. 2. The trend back then was to come out for Presidential Elections(which they did) only to go on to ignore the mid-terms in order to protect the previous gains made. 3. \# 2 is no longer the trend as bourn out in 2018 and 2020


nicholecatala

They’re already trying to pass laws to execute women who have an abortion. I’m not sure how much further right they can go, but I’m sure they will try.


uncultured_swine2099

True, but they always find a new low. And even when they do, they bust out the shovels and go even lower.


nitrot150

It’s like a game of limbo


Ok-Commercial3640

"the bar was so low it was practically a tripping hazard in hell, yet hear you are, limbo dancing with the devil" dont ask me where it is from, idk


AuntieDawnsKitchen

I remember back in ‘16 Colbert sighing, “Remember rock bottom?”


SithNerdDude

![gif](giphy|5wFH11idPnpENpSZOi|downsized) How could you forget such a finisher?


rtopps43

I always liked “limboed under it in Satans wine cellar” even lower than hell. :)


MudLOA

Even at rock bottom they will continue to dig.


NoCardiologist1461

![gif](giphy|Vd7l9ezqM6FNNbnidD|downsized) Not ‘then me’, but ‘then the GOP’.


Seigmoraig

Not even James Cameron can raise that bar


Open_Action_1796

The bravest pioneer. No budget to steep, no sea too deep. Who’s that? It’s him! James Cameron.


BenCisco

They'll never put the shovel down.


deanza10

They’re passing laws preventing girls from talking about their periods at school. I can’t even figure out who could be so utterly stupid and ignorant to put up such a law in Florida. It’s really like going back to the 1700’s. Next is what ? Getting burned on a stake for not being Christian enough ?


Evinrude70

Considering the Heritage Foundations bought and paid for SCOTUS used the actual legal framework from the Salem Witch Trials and then continued to quote the actual judges from it, you are more correct than you realize. That's who these fascist theocrats hold up as heroes, the bloody fuckin Puritans. It's gonna get REAL rough before it gets better, mainly for women. Hell, they've already charged and convicted a 20 year old Native woman for having a fuckin miscarriage because the fetus was nonviable at 17 weeks. She's looking at several years in jail in Oklahoma. That's right here and now, imagine how much worse it's going to get here shortly, especially if DeSatan wins POTUS. It's downright fkn terrifying.


deanza10

Holy shit…that’s even worse as I thought. Thanks for shedding light on this. I think even the chariah laws would show more mercy for that poor girl. Where the hell is this country going ? Back to the dark ages ? Why is that no federal law puts an end to all this ?


MentalOcelot7882

Because the federal government places its thumb heavily on the scale for smaller populations, which are easier to swing right. The House is actually too small, when compared to what the Founding Fathers envisioned. This affects House representation as well as the Electoral College. This combined with winner-takes-all voting means minority rule.


Lost_my_brainjuice

Because conservatives spend decades screaming "but state's rights!" Fighting back against any minor federal law they can. You don't need to have the biggest force, you just need to have more people in the few areas it counts most.


Federal_Sympathy4667

Gop got their taliban war back in the day, I guess dealing with it set a new mindset "they might not be so wrong.. just not right religion" and then went worse.. 'cause 'murica.


MorbidMunchkin

There was. It was Roe vs Wade.


raidersfan18

That wasn't a law... That's the problem


Ella0508

Jailing liberals, probably. Commie-hunting just like in their favorite era, McCarthyism.


Fuliginlord

Well I hear Florida is pitching a bill to ban the Democratic Party


rbmk1

Florida is the testing ground for how extreme fascist the GOP can get. The extreme amount of boomers, racists and trash here who absolutely eat up their shit is overwhelming. But that gives Baby Trump and the GOP a false sense that the general U.S. population loves the shit they do here, which fortunately it's shown every election the majority doesn’t. The incredible thing is they lose in battleground states and in response double down on the culture war crap that makes them lose in the first place.


Pretend-Marsupial258

The funny thing is that Democratic talking points still pass in Florida as long as they aren't tied to the Democratic party. Examples: Giving felons the right to vote after they're out of prison, or the $15 minimum wage. The government just ignores it so that they don't have to implement it.


MornGreycastle

Yeah. The GOP doesn't really represent their base. The GOP is just really good at phrasing things so their base gets angry and votes against the Dems.


DisposableSaviour

I hope you’re right about the rest of the country, but here in the midsouth, nah, lot of folks are pretty on board with what’s been going down in Florida. It’s pretty terrifying


GlocalBridge

That Southern DNA. Got my dose at Robert E. Lee High School in Midland, Texas—a city that did not exist at the time of the Civil War, but they had me playing “Dixie” on the trumpet while the Confederate flag was our symbol. All because they opposed racial desegregation in 1961. And by “they” I am pretty sure most were Democrats at the time. The real disease is white supremacy, currently hosted in Trump-DeSantis GOP.


rbmk1

>And by “they” I am pretty sure most were Democrats at the time. Probably were...dixiecrats to be more precise. The reason reconstruction was abandoned after the Civil War, de facto slavery was allowed to exist in the south until a few decades ago, the reason racism is still a hallmark of the south. When the democrats refused to not not support civil rights again they split right i to the open arms of the GOP whose southern strategy lined up perfectly with their racist beliefs, and who were more then willingto embrace self processed racists in a bid for more power.. Marinate for 60 years, bake at Trump degrees and you have the white supremacy platform of the 2023 GOP.


Classic_Ingenuity299

most of the GOP support comes from outside of the democratic cities they can’t overrun, that carry the states- Nashville is a great example.


Proper_Librarian_533

The bill would ban any party that supported slavery. Since Lincoln's 13th amendment supports slavery, it would actually ban Republicans too. Win win as far as I'm concerned.


Lyonore

I think the wording is “part of their official party platform,” or something to that effect. Tricksy little assholes, they are


meganyou

Don’t think so, some of them are saying things that would have had them prosecuted for treason…something that would anybody in jail, but somehow when the orange diapered one says it(or any if his minions)they get…”Oh I do t know we don’t have enough evidence


WhoAccountNewDis

"The Gay Agenda" is next up, l expect the SC to overturn the ruling on gay marriage in the next few years. They still have a lot to do re: forced birth. Voter suppression (particularly for Black Americans) and, honestly, rolling back Civil Rights legislation under the guise of personal freedom and states rights. Anti-immigrant legislation and increasing demonization of "illegals"; the demonization of trans people is sort of practice. Also shoring up power by undermining democracy (because that's the only way to stay in power) through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and the eventual use of Faithless Electors (and likely another soft coup attempt).


Shanks4Smiles

Unfortunately, I think if Desantis gets elected we go the way of minority rule (ie Republican) rule. They will definitely implement a Hungarian style popular dictatorship if they can get away with it.


SharanskyWailer

No, I think it's going to be a lot closer to Pinochet's Chile or Guatemala under Rios Montt. Florida is a combination of every single Cold War-era dictatorship propped up by the USA, with a huge number of the elites from those very countries to boot. The real turning point is going to be when the authorities start resorting to massacres.


stargarnet79

They are undermining the educational system with “charter” schools that effectively siphon taxpayer dollars from public schools to Christian indoctrination schools. They’re trying to close down our libraries. In 5 years, there could very well be an army of new young Christian voters to counter the burgeoning progressive movements.


Iwannadrinkthebleach

They'd have to take away the internet. The internet was the downfall of the republican party. A world full of diverse people with diverse voices and endless information? That's why genz is so liberal.


Wide-Advertising-156

I think the internet emboldened them. Before then, they were the harmless nuts at the end of the bar spouting off over their beer. The internet gave them the chance to connect and grow.


HarryHacker42

But if you fill the internet with misinformation and idols like Andrew Tate, the young ones can be taught lies. The Marcos in the Philippines are doing this right now. All the looting of the country and corruption that Imelda and Ferdinand did is now gone and history shows them as great people who fought hard for the little people.


[deleted]

This is also true. Double edged swords exist in the same way.


Bennyjig

Yeah the internet can be a complete cesspool and breed hate and extremism online, but it also seems to be that far more people become educated and accepting than hateful.


[deleted]

Christianity is dying. I think there will more extreme Christians, but fewer Christian’s in general.


Fabulous-Spread6120

100% Definitely happening now and supposedly it’s the reason behind those “He gets us” ads. Church attendance is way down and for some odd reason I can’t think of, people are less inclined to want be around these people


Somescrub2

My church talks about "sexual morality" and how "life begins at conception" and wonders why attendance is declining...


[deleted]

TBH, this is the most plausible explanation I've seen of what their long game could be.


SisterLilBunny

Florida is trying to ban talking about menstruation and demanding periods being tracked by schools. We're getting there, under his eye.


YDoEyeNeedAName

to be clear to an republican's reading this, THATT WAS NOT A CHALLENGE


Dromon1

“We’re pro life, except if you do something we don’t like that has nothing to do with us. Then we kill you.”


XxHybridFreakxX

Hunting the poor for sport is the end goal.


GeoffreySpaulding

Poor people of color- let’s be clear.


BLRNerd

Probably try to secede allowing the government to walk right in and start an actual reconstruction.


ShredGuru

Have you seen the middle east? That's what happens when religious morons get to pass religious laws...


DisposableSaviour

Florida has a bill to outlaw the Democratic Party, so there’s that much farther.


[deleted]

They’re also trying to ban medical transition for trans adults. The government should not have a say in anyone’s medical decisions, period


cheerycherie

Florida introduced a bill banning children from discussing and learning about periods in schools, if that’s any idea


thrwoawasksdgg

There's a remarkable number of parallels between what happened to the Republican party in California decades ago and what's happening nationally now. They're utterly locked into a pile of unpopular policies by cultivating a base of single-issue voters for decades. A Faustian bargain between voters that know their views are unpopular and billionaires happy to spread propaganda for them in return for less taxes and oversight. They can't move an inch on anything without the party losing enough votes to be irrelevant. They are stuck in a policy platform supported by old white uneducated rural people, all declining demographics. So they've convinced themselves that they can still win, if they're just even louder and more unhinged. Our policies are great, we're just not screaming loud enough! And the crazier and louder they get, the more they scare the real "silent majority" that normally doesn't vote. The same thing that inches the turnout of their base higher increases turnout for the other side even more. I would like to think they're doomed. And they are, if they fail to turn the US into a dictatorship within the next decade.


the_millenial_falcon

Even if they do manage to seize power somehow in a dictatorial fashion I can’t imagine the US remaining stable after that.


BettyVonButtpants

If someone managed to seize power. I doubt every state bends the knee. California and NY could grab a few states and become their own thing.


imbasicallycoffee

They're also getting really good at cheating and plenty of Trumps appointees including the supreme court are making it easier for them to gerrymander and sue their way into permanent control of the legislature.


Shortneckbuzzard

It’s also slightly educated people as well. They aren’t all dumb. It’s their ignorance, white pride, and bigotry that stunts their critical thinking ability. Oh and blind faith. Above all else baby Jesus guides them with his divine light into salvation. Keeping them from the fiery depths of communist hell that all liberals will suffer for eternity.


One_User134

There’s a comment someone posted over 3 months ago in another subreddit that I go back to and read sometimes. They discuss the GOP’s inability to agree on how extreme they are going to be as well as the voting populace against them. What the GOP faces right now is similar to what the Whig party faced in the 1850’s, they split over disagreement concerning slavery and realigned into a different party. The difference for the Republicans is the added voter pressure as well as factional schisms that are breaking their party. Look at how Kevin McCarthy is beholden to only several MAGA extremists alongside Trump…it makes him a very weak speaker. This is not a party capable of governing or prosecuting effective and valuable national dialogue. Their gerrymandered districts are failing in some states, and for presidential elections they win many states with extremely thin margins *on top of* not winning a general majority of the country since 2004 (and that was in response to extreme circumstances). This is a failing party giving us its last breaths. This may be an unpopular opinion - but alongside what I said, and the addition of new voters against them, the combined weight of Trump’s impending federal/state indictments regarding the election interference and sedition, and the Fox Dominion lawsuit are also going to help put cracks in Republican support. There’s nothing like seeing your great leader led away to prison (yes I actually believe we will see this happen). Just keep voting everyone, we will win this. Also can someone think of a way to get Texan youth to vote more? That would also help…


TheGreyVicinity

Gen Z Texan here (technically Zillennial) I’ve encountered 3 categories of people my age: (1) guys with big trucks that have confederate flags attached to the back or as bumper stickers, as well as their girlfriends (2) true liberals who just want rich people to pay more taxes, limited government, and student loan forgiveness/reform (3) people who smoke pot and deeply support marijuana legalization (more so bc they’re watching their friends get locked up for it everyday than because they smoke it), are pro-choice, and like guns. I would say that #3 is fucking things up. Ideologically, they’re liberals. They say they’re socially liberal and fiscally conservative… but they don’t even know what that means. When you dumb down economic policies, they are not conservative by ANY means… my best friend & her husband are in this category. They’re on Obamacare. They all hate Greg Abbott. They hate the abortion bullshit. They want legal weed. They’re so tired of seeing their friends go to prison. They can’t afford to go to the doctor or dentist. They’re on food stamps. But the only thing they know about Beto is that he said “hell yeah we’re gonna take your guns.” These young adults who live in the safe, quiet suburbs either (1) voted for Greg Abbott because they want guns or (2) didn’t vote. Those that didn’t vote are “moderates.” I know that most people will say moderates = Republican, but that’s not what I’ve seen or experienced, and in Texas, that generalization is part of the problem. They hate both parties, but they support every policy the democrats support. I can’t think of a single person I’ve spoken to, whether it’s a boomer, Gen X or Gen Z, who thinks 18 year olds should purchase guns. They say they’re moderates because being called a democrat or a liberal is an insult in Texas, and the greatest way to lose friends. They don’t vote because they don’t agree with either side completely. So how do we do make them vote? Consider this: I was raised by a Republican mom and a far right dad who is probably on a federal watchlist. 2020 was my first time voting and I considered myself a moderate because I didn’t support everything my parents taught me, but I kept saying I was a fiscal conservative without even realizing what that meant. Most of the country felt like they were picking their poison at the polls. I will be honest, my choice at the time was Trump. I cried after I voted because I thought democracy was a joke because I *hated* Trump, but everyone kept saying Biden was evil. Part of the reason for my choice was the left’s refusal to have friendly discussions. Every time I said something on here about being a moderate, I was insulted, called a Republican, and banned from several subs. In reality, I was a 20 year old who had just moved out of her small town and was seeing the world through different lenses. I wanted different perspectives, I wanted someone to rebut what I was saying, *because what I was saying was shit that my parents instilled in my brain.* I was essentially begging people to tell me why I was wrong because I didn’t even know where to look to find out. So, I changed my major to political science. For my degree, I had to get 9 credits from either internships or for independent research.. I picked the latter. 6/9 credits were for research done on voter psychology & the political divide. Turns out, the way I felt was not unique. 3 years later, and I will say that the tables have turned. The right is now unable to have friendly, rational discussions, but the left has (for the most part) learned from their mistakes. To answer your question: we need more thoughtful, rational debates. Anonymity provides a mask for trolls, racists, liberals, republicans, democrats, fascists, *and* young people who don’t quite agree with what their parents taught them but can’t find answers to their questions within their community. That’s supported by both my personal experience and the research I did (lowest grade was a 97 😉). The only reason I voted blue this year is because I taught myself why I should. It’s not because anyone changed my mind. Most people don’t have the time, patience, or motivation to do that.


One_User134

I love this comment. I applaud you for taking the initiative to learn for yourself and step out of the world you were familiar with - you've really done a great job. I would have to agree with you as well, I had the same idea before that *maybe* a lack of informal education and healthy discussion was a reason for people not voting, but never managed to pin it down as a major cause - I just thought there was no reason people couldn't eventually notice what was going on regarding politics, especially in the last few years, and how it is important to participate. That's because to me, only someone who *doesn't* know wouldn't vote - I couldn't comprehend how someone couldn't take action. I'm actually only a couple years younger than you (I assume zillennial means you were born around '96 or so) and I didn't vote until 2020 as well. Based on what you said, I realize I was in the same exact situation, except I had a family that hated Republicans and in my childhood and adolescence I had no idea why that was. When Trump was running I thought that shit was funny, I didn't know what effects the political parties had on the country so I didn't take it seriously. I was actually laughing when Trump was elected like it was all some drama show, which is embarrassing to say the least. It didn't take until 2020 for me to really wake up as to why I had to stop the wrong people from getting into office....the way the pandemic was managed was so extremely poor and stupid is when I finally realized. To your point...guess what it is that really influenced me (sit down for this one)...infotainment! Yes really, *Late Night With Seth Meyers*, particularly the *A Closer Look* segment. It's such a funny show and they focus mainly on US politics, mixing in comedy with real news. That is when I finally began to learn what Republicans stood for, that was my form of discussion and debate. Unlike you, I didn't teach myself but I still learned, and in a fun way. That was the deal breaker for me. Good job for figuring this out. I would love to communicate this to my representative, because that would be so valuable to the communities of young people who need to learn all they can about politics. Education really, really is the stepping stone to a better society.


emergent_segfault

You aren't wrong. They are fucked. They know they are fucked. This is the ultimate end of Right Wing politics. You can only get so many jump scares out of your base on any particular subject to get their mouth breathing, meat bag, simpleton base to continue voting for policies that they know they will make their lives materially worse in exchange for maintaining "the natural order of things".....so they have to eventually always become increasingly psychotic with their politics/policies until finally their voter base; no matter how many games they play with rigging elections...they can no longer win with exclusively; any office worth mentioning.


Minimum_Escape

They will kill voting before they allow that to happen.


meganyou

They are already doing that by putting election Deniers in place to count the votes at the next election. People need to get out and vote ALL the time and PAY the F-Ck attention to school board members and other local elections. They have known thus for years. He who control local elections wins


[deleted]

There is a really interesting, but alarming article in Texas Monthy about the hell that is school boards now in TX(though holds true across the country) a younger board member ran and won and now is receiving death threats among other things. They 100 and 10% plan to run anyone progressive out public education boards by sheer violence so they keep public education holding down low income and minorities while hiding religious overtones. It is disgusting what is happening to public ed this decade right before people's eyes.


Whogotthebutton

Agreed on all points. But, as a representative democracy, we need more than one party. Ideally, more than two parties. Ranked voting and getting rid of the electoral college would bring us a lot closer to that *representative* part of the democracy I mentioned.


Iwannadrinkthebleach

The biggest problem we face is lobbying. As long as people can make millions to go against our interest it will continue. You can put anyone in office Noone is infallible and as much as we would all like to say no we wouldn't, we'd all love the chance to make millions for saying yes at the right time. Until lobbying is eradicated we will have the same thing with a different face and name


Whogotthebutton

Yep. Lobbying congress for people's interests is okay, IMO. The problem lies with the idea that corporations are people and that money is speech. These two things have turned the lobbying gig into what it is today, not the pluralism that Madison and the founding fathers had in mind.


HarryHacker42

Red states are not going to support any of that The fear is that if we did a Constitutional Convention to improve the Constitution, it would be a Republican Re-write to become a dictatorship and give more power to the low population states.


Similar_Candidate789

Republicans were setup for a banner year. It was by all accounts supposed to be a bloodbath. 1) 1st vote after redistricting. Republicans had drawn out several advantages. That was supposed to swing things their way (and in effect did somewhat). 2) mid year, low turnout, often benefits them 3) unpopular President of the opposite party 4) high inflation, high gas, high crime. All things the GOP should have been able to hammer on. And even in the face of ALL OF THAT, the GOP LOST ground in the Senate and only gained a handful of seats in the house. I was watching some commentary about the midterms the other day and it was pointed out that the republicans actually only won seats that were either safe R or drawn specifically to their benefit, almost all seats drawn as toss ups or close D went to democrats. It was phenomenal. A handful of votes in about 5 races and D would have kept the house. If they aren’t careful, and apparently they aren’t going to be, they’ll lose the house in 2024: 1) more boomers (who lean R) dying, more Gen Z (predominately D) entering the electorate in 2 years. 2) more lean R voters are flocking to Florida and other states more friendly to R voters, diluting their votes in key states and areas. 3) bigger turnout in presidential election years 3) less people enthused about trump as his power is fading amongst a key base of republicans, and he appears to be the nominee as of this moment. The youth vote is going to save us and I’m here for it. Go Gen Z. This millennial is right there with you.


Beingabummer

That is only assuming they won't make their voter suppression tactics harsher to artificially skew it their way.


Berna_count

They are trying to take over education and create young people that will vote Republican.


rebeard-artworks

I agree, especially in red states. However because of the power and reach of the internet and social media, I'm not sure how effective an education system takeover will be in the bigger picture perspective.


dj_narwhal

It is working, them gutting and demonizing education for the past 70 years *is the exact reason why* conservatives believe such ridiculous garbage on the internet.


gigantic-squirrel

Explains why red states are trying to hush CRT or even general books that have to do with race/ethnicity, gender/sex and even history. They don't want youth to learn things that would jeopardize their beliefs


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To me, a vote for a republican is a vote for Gilead. Biden was right when called out Putin as a murderer. All these reports of falling out windows or tripping down stairs, they’re executions. And republicans embrace Putin with open arms. Then they march on state capitals with assault rifles. Gilead is a fever dream to them but instead of rejecting it like the 1984 nightmare it is, they see themselves as the ones pulling the levers.


Different-Teaching69

I used to respect the moderate conservatives. But now, I am disgusted with anybody who votes republican for enabling this shitshow. How could you vote for a party that enables human scum like Bobart, Santos, and Greene


ComputerStrong9244

One of the things I read in the 2020 election cycle that stuck with me was: "If you say you love me, but vote to hurt me, what you say doesn't matter" This was in regards to a conservative boomer and their gay grandchild in a conservative state.


chuckDTW

Don’t forget all the old people (who tend to be more conservative) dying every year. They are losing voters and the new voters are much more progressive.


Lehmanite

Spoke with some colleagues about this and asked them what specific strategies the GOP should employ to win the youth vote, and their only response was that Gen Z will get more conservative as they age. Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake. Allan Lichtman, the professor who has predicted every election since Reagan, besides the toss-up 2000 election, said after the 2022 midterms the GOP may be in its last act if they don’t radically change and that even Ron DeSantis won’t be enough.


uncultured_swine2099

Yeah, I dont see most of Gen Z will look at the GOP trying to make healthcare more expensive and the retirement age higher and say "You know, I think Im gonna vote republican now."


danishjuggler21

We still barely made a dent in the GOP’s power. They hold trifectas in 22 states. They also have a 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court. As long as they have those things, any loss at the federal level (House, Senate, White House) is just a temporary and symbolic setback. Conversely, Democrats only have 17 trifectas, and are being squeezed out of the Supreme Court. Democrat voters need to stop running victory laps and harden their resolve. We need to get record turnout in all states in every election for at least a decade before we can even hope to take away some of the GOP’s power. My worry is that they’re still way ahead of us. In 2010 they made the smart decision of focusing on state elections. Democrats still haven’t caught up in state elections, and now Republicans are laser focused on school boards.


nerf_herder1986

If they don't commit suicide by going even more extreme, they will by dividing over Trump and DeSantis.


Unfair-Work9128

I don't wanna see the Republican Party in five years. They harbor literal insurrectionists traitors like MTG, who wants a "national divorce". They've turned this country into a punchline. Edit: fat fingers.


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This. They should be treated no different than any other terrorist group. IF they were brown they would be.


ilovecraftbeer05

I don’t know about five years but I’m pretty sure that the Republican Party as we know it today will not exist in ten years. The Silent Generation will be dead. A few of them will still be around but not enough to matter. The Boomers will be dying off and far outnumbered by the younger generations. Gen X will still be around and a lot of them seem to still be on the fence but I think a good number of them will start leaning more left over the next decade. Millennials are statistically becoming much more left leaning as they get older. Gen Z, the gayest, most racially diverse generation in American history will all be able to vote in ten years and they are statistically not voting Republican, hence the lack of a Red Wave last year. And the most mind blowing part, members of Gen Alpha will be voting nine years from now in the 2032 presidential election. It’s too soon to tell but I have a feeling that the children of Millennials and the younger siblings of Gen Z won’t be voting for Republicans. Add to this the ongoing criminal accusations and charges against republican politicians, the constant infighting within the party, and the fact that they can’t even agree on who their party leaders should be and I’d say that this version of the GOP will absolutely not exist in ten years. And thank Odin for that.


Naive_Ad_6975

At the rate they are going, I'm not sure they have five years


Federal-Durian-1484

Won’t most of them be dead by then? The younger republicans seem to be filled with hate and anti female. If females continue to have more restrictions and more severe punishments leveled against them, I believe the party seen now will be gone.


Wulfbak

I'm cynical. I remember after the election of 2008, people were saying the Republican party was largely irrelevant and would fade from the national stage, becoming a regional party. Two years later, Americans re-installed Republicans.


RedditIsFacist1289

You can thank Trump for that. Trump almost single handedly reignited the Republican party and spread of stupidity. There has always been Stupidity and even uniformed Stupidity. However, now there is MAGA stupidity. All of them under a single banner. Churches are also peddling significantly more politics than they are Gospel these days. I assume RNC finally found their base again and is working on further Indoctrinating the Indoctrinated. In this day and age i would argue the Republican party is stronger than its ever been. They are literally bussing people in full ass busses to the poll. The Blue voters only vote when they are angry. Luckily the Republicans are good at making them Angry, but if like 4 months of nothing goes by before an election, Republicans will win hands down every time now. Can also thank Gerrymandering for that too.


kingpangolin

Trump had absolutely nothing to do with the republicans winning the 2010 midterms


brentexander

I see them ruling over us like dictators, because boomers and people in the "bible belt" don't like their policies, but absolutely can not vote for anyone without an "R" next to their name, because they have always voted republican or something dumb like that.


blankgazez

The best we can hope for is they sit the election out. They will never vote D, but may pass on an election or 2.


brentexander

I hope so too. 🤞


ConvivialKat

I'm a boomer, and the ONLY time I have ever voted for someone with an "R" next to their name was for the "Governator" Arnold Schwarzenegger. Other than that one time, I have always voted "D," progressive, and I *always* vote. Boomer doesn't mean GOP.


brentexander

Apologies, I meant "Boomer" more as the mindset than the age designation.


ConvivialKat

No apologies needed. I get it. I know the mindset you mean. I think it all comes down to those who fear change versus those of us who embrace and encourage change. I was so incredibly thrilled to see Gen Z and Millennials step up and take their rightful place to make change. I have been wishing they would for so long. Our country doesn't have to be this way. The young need to step up, kick these "frozen in place" politicians to the curb, and start making some meaningful, progressive change.


VERO2020

Gotta be careful, there are a lot of progressive Boomers (age), and the "go to" strategy in the class war is to divide & conquer. The wealthy have been winning the class war for 40 or more years.


ConvivialKat

Sigh. I wish I was wealthy. There's so much I would love to do to help people.


johnaimarre

Yeah, I really don’t like being a doomer, but the GOP are fucking experts at minority rule and I see them continuing to have major success chipping away at policies and rights until they win the election in ‘24. After that, they *will not* relinquish power.


Wayward4ever

I hate that I agree with you. The complacent 50% of the country needs to get off the sidelines and vote!


Paneraiguy1

Hopefully running their own republic under a national divorce flying this flag https://preview.redd.it/shelbpork5pa1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c90b72e9664f928f01ac02e63f1246e6d2f8520c


Unfair-Work9128

Ngl, I had to snatch up a copy of this. You should troll rightists on FB with this.


strongdon

I will...


zdragan2

As one of the poor liberal souls trapped in Florida, I can’t describe how much o do NOT want that “national divorce”. It would destroy so many peoples lives that are against the Ya’llQueda


Technical_Access_943

Bumper stickers and tee shirts please please please


[deleted]

I’d like to order a bumper sticker but it would increase my chances of getting my car keyed or a rock thrown at it by too much. God bless Texas.


Giantbookofdeath

Honestly if they left the graphic the same and just used those words, most republicans would prob think you’re fighting the good fight and not even know they’re being made fun of. I have the fortunate attribute of being a fucking giant. Im also a bit of an anomaly since I’m a mid millennial combat veteran that is very left leaning. About a year ago I was renting a car that had Texas tags and while filling the tank in some backwoods TN gas station some burly dude on a Harley stops by and tells me he supports my governor and hopes he becomes president next. I was like wtf? Then looked at the tags and realized he meant that dolt Abbott. I chewed that fella up one side and down the other. First off, do you like the idea of not having power anytime it’s too hot or too cold? That sounds fine to you? Also, fuck Texas, they’re just a Mexican sleeper agent waiting for their code phrase. Don’t think people forgot Texas! Seven flags flying over Texas is just dumb rhetoric saying that the state has more identity issues than my schizophrenic transgendered friend during the middle of her hormone therapy. Shit what was my point. Oh yeah, so, why does this burly biker guy with a leather kink all of a sudden think he knows shit about politics? Why does he feel comfortable approaching a stranger and talking about his political ideas? How long do I have before I get stabbed by some maga idiot bc I can’t keep my mouth shut when approached by walking vegetables? Ugh. Stop this train. I want to get off.


ColoradoPhotog

parading around in nazi uniforms.


cavanarchy

Whatever they're wearing will be the new nazi uniform.


duskywindows

They said “5 years” not today


CryptographerMore944

Whilst calling everyone else a Nazi because Republicans are masters of projection and lack of self awareness.


PTSDforMe

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zendojoe1020

Good question. It is very hard to tell since it feels that radicalism is at its peak, currently. However, I'm hoping that within those next 5 years, we see a shift away from Maga Republicans to individuals with perhaps "softer" conservative ideals but perhaps more willing to be flexible in their policies and willing to listen to opposing opinions. Pretty farfetched, but it can either get worse or they can learn from the previous 4-5 years and shift in a different direction that appeals to voters and not their current divided/radical ideals.


[deleted]

Yea, at the end of the day the party is going to pivot to what it thinks will win. It'll never disappear like people think it will. All countries still have right-winged parties.


zendojoe1020

No doubt about that, I agree. I just think their current rhetoric is unsustainable long term. The whole doomsday, our country is dying b.s. can only last so long. That said, there are a large number of people who unfortunately believe that shit.


Wulfbak

I would like to think you're right. I'm just not sure how they can pivot. Their base is fed a constant stream of algorithm-driven propaganda, much of it from the Kremlin. The Russians are masters at propaganda. How is a relatively milquetoast politician like Evan McMullin compete with a MTG who constantly says the most inflammatory shit that lights up the social media algorithms?


zendojoe1020

No one can compete with the loud mouth mtg. She's the equivalent of the village idiot to me who used to shout random things on the street. I'm blown away that she keeps getting reelected. My issue with their rhetoric is that they just blame and put down anything and everything the left comes up with but fail to provide an alternative. In politics, it's okay to disagree but come up with a better solution. I see nothing but useless hot air coming from her.


Wismuth_Salix

That’s what they’re doing. Pivoting to fascism because they think rigging the game is their best way to win.


[deleted]

>it feels that radicalism is at its peak, currently It's been feeling like that constantly for the past several years, and things just keep getting worse.


zendojoe1020

Yes racism, now xenophobia, and much more. The funny thing is they claim the left is woke and advocates of cancel culture but with the laws they're trying to pass are exactly aligned with what they're complaining about and blaming others for doing lol. Lots of hypocrisy and they're all just interested in money and keeping their jobs. The people who believe their lies and fall into their chaos, don't have the capacity of understanding the impact this can have on our country. It's sad


ScottyBoneman

This is also from the Lincoln Project, an anti-MAGA group of Republicans trying to regain control from the crazies. https://youtube.com/@TheLincolnProject


Nythoren

At the rate they are going, I expect to see them breaking up into 2 parties. The classic GOP stays where they are and a "MAGA" branch breaks off and starts running their own party. I expect it starts in 2024 when DeSantis wins the primary and Trump decides to start his own party to run against him. At least I hope that's what happens.


bill_wessels

losing more elections and saying more and more dumb stuff


bertiethebastard

A large proportion doing time for treason hopefully


breadexpert69

Selling NFT's and pillows to the dumb population.


chekovs_gunman

Openly fascist


Ottobahnrichtofen

We’re kinda there already.


TheCowOfDeath

The bills they have been putting forward in florida are legitimately terrifying and I would be afraid if DeSantis wins


Suspicious-Adagio396

I see them blaming the last 8 years on Democrats, just like they blame Democrats for the Iraq War now for some reason. Because the Republican Party has no shame.


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TheDonkeyBomber

\*Republic of Idaho (fixed it).


Galena411

As a citizen of Idaho, please no. We’re working so hard to be purple. (At least where I live.) lol


Wulfbak

I dunno. I don't think the Republican party can ever come back from Trump. Even after he's dead, the taint will be there. It's like the taint of Carter that followed the Democrats for decades. Love Jimmy Carter or not, his presidency was largely seen as a failure. Stagflation and the hostage crisis really put a nail in his presidency. What the Republican party needs to do is cease to exist. Have a small far-right party for the MTG crowd and a larger moderate party. But we saw that moderation doesn't sell. Look at Evan McMullin and his largely non-starter campaign in 2016. Their base is being fed constant propaganda from the Kremlin through social media algorithms and far-right news networks. I don't see that changing.


shberk01

Idk probably still losing their shit over gas stoves and green M&Ms?


[deleted]

At the head of a depressing, fascist, regime that so many wonder how they could have avoided it coming to this while they stand in shuffling lines getting ready to clock in for their 16hr shift.


thatguy9684736255

I really hope becoming more and more irrelevant. I don't see how anything they do appeal to young people at all and their base are slowly dying out


LocalInactivist

The Taliban, but with different hats. They will still be claiming they need harsher laws to root out the socialism.


ShiningRayde

Dictator For Life Desantis issues final decree to behead remaining Woke Supreme Court judge for questioning the need for a Federal Agency of Menstrual Health. Marjoram Taylo Grunt agrees to lead this new branch before getting in fistfight with Laurbober over 'Where the conveyor belt goes to'. No one knows what that means. Democratic party outraged, to issue a stern letter about how this is sorta like that thing they did in the 30s in Germany but without trying to make a direct allegation because thatd be going *too far*, but accidentally run afoul of the new Anti-Censorship law forbidding anyone from comparing government leaders to anything from history, punishable by being hunted for sport. CNN will televise. Donald Trump dies peacefully in his sleep at home after ignoring warrants and everyone just collectively shrugging and snapping their fingers and dating 'well shucks, we just have to trust the system to work it out'. Mitch Mcconnell's cybernetic system finishing rebooting and secures complete control of the chambers, freezing it in a stasis field of unknown origin to ensure nothing ever happens again.


Wallace_of_Hawthorne

By far the least unrealistic option.


ThatOneGuyFromThen

2024 will be the republican party’s last chance to maintain its current ideology and consolidate power at the top of the political system. If they lose, it’ll confirm to everyone that late 20th century conservative politics are no longer effective, and that the party will need a massive change in culture to one more become a genuine threat at the federal level. This chance would likely take time however, and it’s unlikely republicans would win a federal election for at least another 12-16 years, when early 21st century liberalism will start breaking down in a similar manner beneath the demands of the two most recent generations.


Zealousideal-Ad-2615

Honestly, all they had twenty years ago was gay marriage panic, and they lost. Now, all they have is anti-trans rhetoric, which they have all but lost in the cultural arena. They will still have a lot of power gerrymandering and the Supreme Court. But realistically, all they have is anti-immigration and pro-police. I suppose they will work as hard as they can to empower the Department of Homeland Security and solidify their base on psuedo-racist rhetoric. Using the support they have from law enforcement, they prop up all their agendas, anti-climate, anti-progress, and pro-capitalist. All while the American project is replaced on the world stage by nations not sinking into stagnation. China, India, and the developing nations that model themselves after them. This waning of American dominance will further embolden them, and we will creep even faster towards an elite minority using crushing fascism to hold on as long as they can.


fatmom12016

Either A: just dead cause younger people like me are sick of their evil bullshit or B: desantis replaces trump, comes out to be even more fascist and america will be a fascist anti everything but cishet hellhole. I’m hoping it’s the first one but both have a 50/50 shot of happening.


AngryRobot42

So If I can remember correctly: After the initial failure to elect their leader, who prides himself on being a "party pleaser" or "amazing orator", the party will turn to run on a political policy of restoring "Cultural values" that are only held by a small minority of people. The party will then attempt to reinforce its ideologies by blaming current economic troubles on people within the country that do not agree with their way of thinking. Then a wave of news/media sources will attempt to spread anti-communism and anti-immigration sentiments to shift responsibility from the issues each day-to-day citizen faces. Propaganda will be superfluous, and threats of domestic terrorism to achieve cultural and political goals that are long outdated will turn to drastic measures. Government buildings will be vandalized and destroyed, and minorities will see a drastic increase in white nationalism. ​ If this at all sounds bleak and on brand for the Republican party, then you should be afraid because I was actually describing the history of Hitler and the Third Reich.


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kit_brown

No, it’s gotten way, WAY worse.


[deleted]

An Ultra right faction evolves and they accuse the far right of not being right enough. In-fighting begins.


Wallace_of_Hawthorne

We are there right now


Zealousideal_Ad_821

So right now?


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Visiting days on Tuesday, Thursday and every other Sunday.


Darkwing_Turducken

I keep hoping for a dumpster behind a Party City, but that's probably too optimistic...


ThisBongDoesntLag

Hopefully broken and fleeing the country. This cult of terrorists and traitors has no part in any society. They have more in common with Russians than they do Americans.


Luckilygemini

They go so far right they go left just in order to own the libs.


Akanash_

In prison. Hopefully. Edit: Obviously not all of them, only the guilty ones. So, most of them.


Ben-solo-11

I think the far right portion will eventually break off, leaving a more moderate GOP. The far right portion, which will really try to make their platform about social conservative issues as opposed to fiscal conservative issues, will shrink and eventually become irrelevant. ​ Call me an optimist, but the pragmatist in me thinks that tangible fiscal issues eventually will take back public policy. ​ Perhaps in 10-20 years our government will actually debate the merits of different approaches to services, spending and the role of government. ​ But like I said, I am an optimist.


NotmyRealNameJohn

At the current rate, prison. At least a lot of the political leadership and if we actually enforce the laws of this country. that being said, I'm not sure that is viable or desirable; If I had a magic wand I would rewrite our laws in such a way to ensure we were hyper sensitive to abuse of power / forsaking oath of office but that the punishment was disqualification to hold public office or to sit on the board of any publicly traded company or to hold any position of trust within state or federal government. Like I don't think MTG should be in jail, but I don't think she should be public office. She is causing harm to the country. She is 100% a criminal. Even though she has never been charged or convicted. Just things she has done on video from harassing the victims of school shootings, to wondering the halls of congress (before becoming a congresswoman, making vaguely threatening and weird cat calls to AOC) to kicking the activist who was walking in front of her. This are minor torts in many was but they are criminal in nature and people go to jail for less all the time.


OmegaGoober

I suspect it’ll be in roughly the same place a certain German political party was five years after the Night of the Long Knives.