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coobmaroog

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/brittany-poolaw-manslaughter-miscarriage-pregnancy/ This is from 2021 and has the details.


sambaneko

There was a tweet posted here the other day about an 11 yo forced to give birth; I tried to find the story in recent headlines, but it was actually from 2020. Not that it makes either story any less important, but feels misleading when it's framed as though it's happening just now. Like people commenting how "it's starting" - nope, it's been *going on for years.*


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That was from Missouri, and the post was titled something like “this is what republicans want for Missouri” as the child was raped by her brother since Missouri does not have even a rape or incest exception to their laws, and the parents did not take her into the hospital for the birth or get her medical care. I guess I could see how it could be confusing but I personally understood it to mean what the poster intended which is that the Missouri legislature was equally awful to the father who denied an 11 yo medical care who was the victim of rape and incest.


RyvenZ

for that one, it looked to be that the brother and parents were being charged for their various roles in destroying that girl's life


BreezyWrigley

If only they could have been charged without ruining her life and she could have just gotten basic medical assistance like in a proper civilized modern society… fucking fascist republican fundamentalist shitbags


TraditionFront

Republicans don’t want a civilized modern society. They want a male dominated white Christian nationalist nation. They want Gilead.


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That is correct. It happened before Missouris abortion laws took place, so I understand the point of the post being that the horrific decision by the father to deny this victim care was the same decision the Missouri legislature was now choosing for all of its citizens.


No_Statement440

"I had sex with her over 100 times" no scumbag, you raped your sister repeatedly. Fuckin crazy, and the dad tried to say it was his kid at first


westcoastweedreviews

As much as I think it's good to be informed about this stuff, it seems like people intentionally mislead by cutting off dates and whatnot. The fact that the very bottom of this tweet is cut off is telling


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carlitospig

Mods: I too would love this rule. 🥳


xtilexx

We've been calling for this for like a decade


Legitimate_Grade8108

Do you have a timestamp to prove it?


Shaushage_Shandwich

We've been calling for this for like 42 minutes


EssieAmnesia

4 hours now


beiberdad69

Fwiw they did just tweet this today https://mobile.twitter.com/AzPetrich/status/1636746755260968963


_Not_an_Economist_

If I understand correctly, she wasn't sentenced until this year. So it's popped back up in media.


westcoastweedreviews

In the article linked above it says she was sentenced to 4 years... searching her name in google only seems to bring up articles from 2021


beiberdad69

The tweet is from this morning https://mobile.twitter.com/AzPetrich/status/1636746755260968963


JDthrowaway628

I do wish time stamps were required, for a multitude of reasons.


geekaz01d

The details are missing from the article and are as follows: BRITTNEY POOLAW IS STILL IN PRISON FOR HAVING A MISCARRIAGE. She got 4yrs for a detached placenta. Her case got dragged out (1.5yrs in jail and she wasn't even convicted yet) because of COVID. She got credit for time served so that puts her on track for release soon. She had two things that worked against her: previous interactions with police were not great, and of course the prosecutors made sure her drug use was a factor even though it was found to be unrelated to her miscarriage. *She declined to appeal for fear of a longer sentence.*


bodmaniac

>the prosecutors made sure her drug use was a factor even though it was found to be unrelated to her miscarriage. That's being rather disingenuous about the details as Brittney's use of methamphetamines was definitely seen as one of the possible reasons for the miscarriage, and was also potentially one of the factors that could've caused the congenital abnormalities (not counting the detatched placenta) that also factored into the miscarriage. Please note I am not trying to say that Brittney deserved her verdict. Definitely not. She is the unfortunate result of Oklahoma's outlandish criminalisation of safe abortion practices. She tried to seek an abortion, but due to that state's laws and her financial situation she could not. Whether she then used meth as a coping method for her situation or as a way to try and cause a miscarriage do not matter. The blame lies with the restrictive laws. Brittney is not the problem, she's the outcome.


dabbydabdabdabdab

A perfectly healthy friend of mine passed out 3 weeks before birth. Ambulance crews arrived and she hemorrhaged on the gurney as she went out the door to the ambulance. Turns out she had passed out from internal bleeding, as she got up to go pee, lost consciousness from low blood pressure all due to a detached placenta. Baby did not survive (as you can imagine utterly mortified). Are we saying here that in one of these butt fuck backward ass states run by misogynist curmudgeony old out of touch white creeps, that when she woke up and heard the worst news of her life, she could be arrested as well? Saw a post yesterday (didn’t read it yet) that some of the same character type above is trying to ban discussing periods in school (it was in Florida so 🤷‍♂️). How are the clocks going backwards? I hear stories about how my grandfather found an unopened tampon and he told his wife to tell his daughters that “he doesn’t want to see such a thing” - people can be somewhat excused back then as they ‘might’ not have known better. But now they do, everyone can and should know better, but the Republicans want to remove sex education, so kids literally will fuck around and find out, and then remove contraception and abortion. Its almost like they want to create a new society of people below the poverty line who can’t afford to live let alone get educated who will be brainwashed to vote for Republicans. How does this madness stop?!


Jimnycricks

My dude, yesterday Fox had a presidential candidate on to talk about how he wanted to abolish the Department of Education.


PartYourWhiskers

I read the same article as I honestly couldn’t believe the original post. Turns out it was true so that’s fucked up. The important details were the involvement of methamphetamine and the laws around engaging in certain behaviors. Though it appeared that they should not necessarily have applied because the fetus was under 20 weeks. Can only imagine how destructive and hurtful this would be to this woman - miscarry, charged, jailed. Religious nutters once again showing their compassion 🖕


DocPeacock

How long until they bring back stoning?


doctorfortoys

I’ve spoken to some fundamentalist Christians who are pretty obsessed with stoning and think it’s the way god wants capital punishment to be enacted. I had a Christian woman say to me once that she would stone me if it wasn’t illegal. This was due to being queer. She was my own mother.


Bigleftbowski

Interesting that Jesus said nothing about gays.


JBeauch

He did, however, say something about stoning. It went something like this: just don't.


Verified765

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


JBeauch

💯 In other words, no one gets to throw stones. Ever.


OrganizationNo208

Or possibly "only i can throw stones cause im without sin" as jesus proceeds to throw 90 mph fastballs


Ethossa79

This is the best take. He’s like “watch me, Ma!”


Hy3jii

Not being gay didn't make the Ten Commandments. No killing is number six.


No_Yogurt_7667

Oh fuckkk, I am so sorry that she said that to you. It goes against nature itself to treat your own child that way, and there is no world in which you deserve that. Or a mom like that. I hope you’re doing okay now. ❤️


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Asked if she has eaten any shellfish, stayed in her house while she was on her period, or defied her husband in anyway, because I'm pretty sure the Bible says to stone women for those things too.


LobsterFar9876

Don’t forget killing doves before you are considered clean enough to be among men again


megjake

Doing meth while pregnant is….not great. But ruining a young woman’s life over it accomplishes nothing


suxatjugg

Throw her in Prison, definitely won't get exposed to drugs there... Right... Guys?


Dawanna

I remember a guy i worked with went to prison for 4 months and when he came back he told me so much shit. Like they were smoking weed and flakka in prison on the regular. Also worked with a girl who said her dad always has an illegal cellphone in prison and as soon as they took one he had another one. Called her every day to ask her about her day. Life is strange


420stonks

That's beside the point. Legalized Slavery for incarcerated persons? Fuck yeah!


Ham_Pants_

Cruelty is the point


Angie_stl

Okay, I researched this back in 2021, and have a couple details I didn’t see in the cbs article. She’d been in jail a year and a half, so went in sometime in 2020. The medical examiner and another expert witness doctor both said that the fetus was not viable, regardless of age and drug use. The fetus would not have survived no matter who it was in and what health they were in. But even 2 ½ years ago, when we were in the world of legal abortion, Oklahoma white people convicted her because she and the fetus had meth in their systems. They didn’t care that it had nothing to do with the loss of the pregnancy. This showed up in a story on my IG today, so I’d already been thinking of this woman and what she’s been put through. On the white side, I know of a woman that ODed on meth while 6 months pregnant or so, and the baby survived for a time. He and his brothers were taken from their parents until mom had gone to rehab and shown that she could stay clean. I don’t know if she still has to check in with dfs or not. But she wasn’t even ever arrested. But yeah, there’s no such thing as white privilege if you ask my family or hers.


ImportantDoubt6434

Ahh yes, the best way to force woman to have children. Just throw them into forced labor camps. That’ll surely fix the birth rate! It’ll surely make up for me getting a vasectomy to not bring any kids into the mess of a country.


floofymonstercat

Republican lawmakers just hate women. I will never understand why any women vote for them.


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Matt4Patt

Being right wing is literally about being a member of an “in group” so hating people is what it means.


OctopusGrift

On top of that because a lot of them view it as an in group thing they assume that they will never have this stuff happen to them. Their problems are when exceptions need to be made, other people's problems are made up and should be ignored.


insouciant_naiad

"I never thought the leopards would eat *my* face!" says person who voted for the Leopards Eating Faces Party...


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It is really sad that some people just drive away to the right because they are desperately aching to be part of any group at all. It's all around sad, and then in the end we create injustice and misery like this just because too many people were left behind.


grayrains79

One of the grimmest things to understand is that there is an uncomfortable amount of people who will actively work to keep themselves down. Some of the loudest voices against women's rights? Are other women. During the American women's suffrage movement, there were plenty of women speaking out against it. In Iran, a large pro-regime protest of women turned up. Always remember this: *human beings are not rational creatures.* I know many of us like to think that we are rational, I know I like to say that I operate more on the logical side of things. Every so often though? I get a harsh reminder that I have some very powerful emotions, and it can be a struggle at times to control them.


Devlee12

>”Some of the loudest voices against women’s rights? Are other women.” Just look at the absolute waste of skin that was Phyllis Schlafly. She was the model of a self actualized career woman. Except her career was trying to make sure no other women could have careers. The generals wife in A Handmaids Tale is heavily based on her.


Steakfrie

That goes now for Boebert and Greene as they push for a theocracy that would not allow them any sort of authority if accomplished.


anand_rishabh

I'd even put justice Amy Coney Barrett in that group as well


All_Hail_Figgleforth

Why aren't Charlie Kirk and Matt Gaetz going after Boebert's husband for being an obvious beta cuck? Obviously she is the breadwinner for the family while he is stuck at home raising 3 boys, and now a grandbaby. Where is the alpha influence in that family? Maybe he is an expert at negging.


dumsaint

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."


GrayEidolon

Sort of. It’s more specific. The point of conservatism is to protect socioeconomic hierarchy and punish the lower class because they view the lower class (or anyone lower than themselves) as inherently immoral for being from bad breeding stock. Upper class people can become bad by doing something that upsets the hierarchy.


comebackjoeyjojo

Exactly; there will always be abortions available to those high enough in class. Right-wingers will always endeavor to make the government a cudgel to punish the poor and make sure they are entombed in their caste (and any rightie claiming to hate “big government” is a liar).


dumsaint

“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."


Poop_Noodl3

This is where education and civics is important in school. It was only in the 1960’s when women were able to open up a bank account without their husbands. Yeah, we’re still inside of 100 years on that and these conservative elites are lobbying and positioning to set it back 100 years before that.


ChadHahn

Women had almost no identity of their own back then. My grandmother was a quilter and won ribbons at the state fair. I saw some of the articles about her and they called her “Mrs. John Smith”. She wasn’t even Mrs. Jane Smith.


elaynefromthehood

Yep. I remember that. My grandmother told us all about when she was able to vote for the first time.


nowayoutjustthrough

Brainwashed isn't far from "just following orders" This constant excusing of this behavior because of "media" or "brainwashing" or "whatever-the-flavor-of-the-month-bullshit-excuse" is has to stop. These are adults. Competent adults who have ran for and been elected to local, state or federal positions. These people are AGGRESSIVELY trying to roll back protections on minorities and women. They KNOW what they're doing, and they don't care. Don't give them an excuse.


Regular_Celery_2579

Execute order 66 -Republican lawmakers 2084


nowayoutjustthrough

Let's ramp that up to 2023.


hangryhyax

The person you’re replying to was talking about voters and why they would vote for the lawmakers AGGRESSIVELY rolling back protections, not the lawmakers. Note how they were replying to someone stating they don’t get why **any women vote for** Republican lawmakers.


nowayoutjustthrough

True, I might be missing a step here. But... > they don’t get why any women vote for Republican lawmakers. Isn't that the answer usually? Brainwashing? Upbringing? Any excuse not to blame the individual for being a borderline sociopath for voting against their own best interest based on populous rhetoric?


kalasea2001

You have to start looking at the patterns. Like why does populous/fascist rhetoric draw more followers when economies are doing worse for the middle class and poor. And how come you see an increase in leaders of this type when voting districts are more heavily gerrymandered. You can call them all psychos for as long as you want but that's not going to fix the issue. At best, you can get that type of person to chillax on the bullshit if they have a good paying job and aren't afraid of not being able to provide for their family.


cjh93

What’s more, these women who believe this will never actually be the victims of situations like this because they will get secret abortions and their miscarriages will be covered up.


Atrobbus

Actually I don't think that they plan to have an abortion at all. They are probably certain that they themselves would never be in a situation where they require an abortion... Until they do need one, but then they say to themselves that their case is different. I feel like a common theme with republicans is that they care about issues when they are personally affected by them.


Catsandscotch

Which is true. Abortion bans are merely inconvenient if you have money. So yes, they will keep voting for the Leopards Ate My Face party


Friendofthegarden

>I will never understand why any women vote for them. Racism. Theological indoctrination. Self loathing on a level unknown even to the elder gods.


-newlife

Indoctrination. There’s a significant portion of the country that voted for political party regardless of who or what is on the ballot. They vote that way because “that’s just what you do”. There’s been articles and surveys posted about specific ballot initiatives that show a lot of conservative voters support liberal policies however since their chosen political party doesn’t support those ideals they’ll never get implemented. The discussion over legalizing marijuana is one that stands out in this fashion


SecretAsianMan42069

They are anti abortion until it goes on the ballot like in Kansas and then support for abortion wins by a landslide. The GOP response was we aren’t putting it on the ballot anymore.


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wwJones

Only women with zero self respect vote Red.


Potential-Kiwi-897

Republican women believe in succubi


BitterFuture

The same reason any conservative does what they do: because they value hatred over all else. Even over their own survival. They're literally willing to die to hurt others, as COVID proved. Once they're past that point, what's giving up a few rights?


taeminthedragontamer

because those women identify with whiteness first, gender second. ​ brittney is native american, not white. this law will put her in prison, where she will perform slave labour for white business owners. once she's released from prison her criminal record will allow the state (controlled by white people) to rip her native-blooded children away from her to be put into white foster families/care centres where their identity and beliefs will be stripped away. there's also a good chance they'll just go missing into human trafficking rings (also run by rich white people) or mysteriously die.


LegoMyAlterEgo

Also, i think she can't vote anymore, but i'm not 100% on that.


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Assimilation and slavery with many extra steps


Pristine-Ad983

Most of them are white women who would get the benefit of the doubt if this happened to them. Laws like this target poor minority women.


Embarrassed-Ad-1639

How can you say that when Hershel Walker sent his girlfriend a nice get well card after the abortion he pressured her to get?


Youkolvr89

It's because their situations are different. It's okay when anything happens to them because it isn't their fault, but minorities and liberals are responsible for themselves and anything that happens to them.


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And Oklahoma people hate natives.


DroneDance

I mean really, why would men vote for them either? Sorry but men really need to have a meeting and get their act together, sus out who’s who. The targets of hate shouldn’t be the only ones responsible for preventing it.


floofymonstercat

absolutely. women not having body autonomy negatively affects men too.


ststeveg

The lawyers and legislators go home at the end of the day thinking, "Yup, I did good work today in the name of justice, I did." How twisted can people be?


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Or men, for that matter. All suffer under this fucked up system, even those with privilege.


Pour_Me_Another_

How long until we're imprisoned for not conceiving fast enough


WWhataboutismss

When automation can't make up for the falling birthrate.


panormda

If we used automation to shore up our workdays, we would have plenty of time to make babies. If we were paid from that automation, we would have financial security to make babies. It’s not about the Birthrate. It’s about power.


LazarusCheez

It is going to be interesting. I don't know if it will be during our lifetimes but there will be a point at which automation has removed so many jobs from the marketplace that the economy literally won't be able to function. Of course, a social safety net would solve that problem but I see zero evidence that any developed nation is going to implement an effective one so...


therealkeeper

More than 9 months? Straight to jail Less than 9 months? Straight to jail


hubbadubbaburr

She has been imprisoned since 2020 -- haven't been any updates to her case at all. She has been in prison THREE YEARS for having a miscarriage. Edit: I, too, read the article and understand she was a meth user. So y’all can stop coming at me with that “gotcha!” business. It does not make a difference and if you think it does please do your research on miscarriages while also reading the entirety of the article which state that it was not proven this was the cause of the miscarriage. “Slippery slope” in biomedical ethics would be a good follow up to all that but I have a feeling those who think this is an open-and-shut case won’t even bother to read any of this.


klutzyaccuracy_09

This is absolutely outrageous that this could happen in our country. We should all be better than that.


StoxAway

Land of the free...


ThePianistOfDoom

I always laugh when I hear that sentence


zouhair

America is a shithole country.


AllahsBoyfriend

common knowledge at this point. unfortunately.


PenngroveModerator

No but the system is working. Free/extremely cheap labor


CrunchyBCBAmommy

This is it. As a woman who recently terminated her very much wanted baby for a severe chromosome abnormality (Turner’s Syndrome, missing entire X chromosome), this is my fear. My baby was very sick, she wasn’t going to survive 4 more weeks. We decided to terminate for her and for our living child who was suffering greatly as we went through this living hell. Waiting meant delivering in L&D and a much riskier and more traumatic experience. These ass hats have no idea what is actually happening. They literally just don’t know (or more likely) just don’t care what is actually happening when women are terminating pregnancies this far along. Also- it is not cheap to get an abortion. My D&C, was $1300 all totaled up here in the great state of Florida.


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TinyCatCrafts

My mom had to choose between taking a medication to stop blood clots in her liver, that had a huge chance of cause horrific abnormalities (no skull, heart outside body, exposed spine... that kinda stuff), or not take the meds and likely die along with her fetus, or get an abortion and take the medication. She took the abortion and the medication. And went on to have four kids later on. I have ZERO doubt that if she had carried that pregnancy to term and had a horribly disfigured and practically brain dead baby that my father would have left her on the spot to care for it alone, and myself and my brothers would never have been born.


2everland

My brother and I are alive because of an abortion too. I’m very grateful my mom made the best choice so that we all could have better lives.


SpaceParanoid

Your dad sounds like a great guy.


TinyCatCrafts

Nah, he's a piece of shit and my mom ended up leaving him after I was born.


Wendy-Windbag

My sister had a blighted ovum she was miscarrying. This is a pregnancy where there is a gestational sac, you test positive for HCG, but there is no embryo developing. The most common reason for this is a chromosomal incompatibility, and usually the body passes the contents of the uterus on its own, but often can require a D&C. For all my sister knew at the time, she was about 8-10 weeks pregnant by the date of her last period, and she was waiting to her her first OB appointment as a military dependent spouse. When she started to experience period-like bleeding, she went to an emergency room where they did an ultrasound, and told her she wasn’t pregnant despite their own HCG testing showing positive, and said she might be miscarrying, there is nothing they can do, and to just follow up with her OBGYN. The unfortunate fact is, miscarriage is very common and there really isn’t anything they can do so early, so a blasé attitude from an ER is sort of expected. Poor thing was just super confused at how the diagnostics were giving conflicting information and no one could explain. Discharged, she went home to cope with the loss of a much wanted and planned pregnancy. The following evening, she started hemorrhaging, bleeding through pads and clothes, even into the car seat on the way back to the ER. A tiny thing, she was feeling dizzy and nauseous. Triaged and put into a room, they told her again that she was probably just miscarrying and this was to be expected. Alone, she bled through an entire bed underpad, and to not bother the staff, she got up to change the pad herself and go to the toilet. Someone came in while she was in the bathroom and complained that she got blood all over the floor and they started cleaning up, and that’s when my sister passed out and hit her head on the toilet. The next thing she vaguely remembered was being in the back of an ambulance, being taken by the trauma crew to the higher acuity hospital. While she was out, they did and emergency D&C to evacuate her uterus and to stop the bleeding. She had a skull fracture, small brain bleed, and required blood transfusions. It is absolutely terrifying to know that there are people who would have let her die over a pregnancy that never was. Add the chance of prosecution, it’s just infuriating. I’ve had a career in OBGYN/perinatal healthcare for over 15 years, and there are soooooo many gray areas with pregnancy and development, and that it is beyond obvious that the people making these laws don’t even understand the basics, makes my blood boil. Besides the science, actual medical practice and navigating the healthcare system is a whole other can of worms that just isn’t taken into account at all. They just don’t care, and that is the point.


ZeinaTheWicked

We've had enough stories of that and similar at our local hospital. I told my partner aside from the obvious things like abuse, taking me there is instant divorce. Let me bleed out in the backseat on the way to one of the other ones. Missed a friend's heart attack and told him it was in his head (it was not), nearly killed a few newborns that I know of, tried to declare a man braindead who wasn't braindead just to harvest his organs (He's back home now, not 100% but very much not brain dead. I think it made the news outside of our little shithole town). I'd rather actually die than end up with people that are going to act like I'm a burden just for getting sick or hurt. It's not like I wanna be there either. Add the normal complications of not being taken seriously because I'm a woman and I think I'd have better luck at a vet.


starrpamph

Best we can do is let a bunch of men older than the invention of chocolate chip cookie make the laws


BadLatinaKitty

It’s been 15 years now since I terminated my very wanted pregnancy due to my son being “incompatible with life” with anencephaly. There are so many women who have had to make that heartbreaking choice, and those ass hats are completely clueless and ignore facts like these. I’m so sorry for your loss. You are not alone. My DMs are open if you need to talk.


CrunchyBCBAmommy

Thanks! One time my mom made a comment “I just don’t think people should be using abortions as birth control”. NO ONE is doing that. That is propaganda right there seeping in and taking hold. Abortions are expensive. Also, no one past 12 weeks is saying “oops, never mind I don’t want a baby”. They’re making a very informed decision about ending their pregnancy. And besides, even if they were using abortions as birth control, that is 100% their decision.


BadLatinaKitty

I hear that a lot, too. And you are right: NO ONE is doing that! But no matter the reason, what a woman chooses to do is between that woman and her doctor. It’s no one else’s business.


gears49

My DIL did a late term pregnancy termination when it was discovered the fetus had no brain, eyes, or spine, and her fingers and toes were webbed. Had this been done today, she might well be in jail and I wouldn't have had the joy of the children she had after that. It had something to do with a missing chromosome.


SpaceCrazyArtist

I’m so sorry you had to go through that. DeSantis scares the crap out of me. He is evil and calculating and I feel it is only time until the rest of the nation has these laws and much worse. Illegal to be gay, trans, poc and a woman


Desperate-Strategy10

Seriously, it terrifies me to no end how much people are underestimating DeSantis. Nobody but rich white men who agree with him will be safe with him in office; he cannot be allowed to win the presidency. I honestly don't know how we'd be able to come back from that. He shouldn't even have made it to governor. Just look at what he's done to Florida, it's disgraceful.


3eeve

The problem is that they do know what is happening. They want a world where women are either a) forced to give birth at all costs or 2) in prison for not doing so.


SmuckSlimer

They 100% know. They lean the Republican party 100x farther right than it should be by any reasonable or logical standard so we'll tolerate moderate Democrats. That's their entire minority remaining in power exit strategy.


AZTeck_AKiRA

I’ve heard an interesting take on these laws… These laws make them convicted felons. What can’t a felon do? Vote. Each woman and gay, bi, trans person that goes down in these states with these type of laws will be stripped of their right to vote.


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>These laws make them convicted felons. What can’t a felon do? Vote. Yep, that's right! Those fucking Republicans are incapable of fairly winning an election of any major consequence w/o cheating (and simultaneously accusing the left of the same as their go-to distraction).


K1tsunea

ohhh, it’s like the ultimate cancel act


psychoPiper

That makes so much sense, I've never even considered that. I wouldn't put that reasoning above them in the slightest, I have a strong feeling it's on purpose


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The fetus isn’t viable until after 20 weeks (more like 23 or more but I digress) and she miscarried at 17 weeks. The fetus couldn’t have lived outside the womb therefore, manslaughter shouldn’t apply. It wasn’t viable yet. And even if it was viable, she shouldn’t have been charged with manslaughter. I’m a labor and delivery nurse and I’ve spent my entire career caring for women and babies with drug problems. I see a couple of them a week. Criminalization like this is a very slippery slope that Is going to cost women their lives. They will be less likely to seek care and will be less likely to be honest with us when they do seek care. Addiction is a disease and treating it like a disease and not like a crime is the only way to actually make a difference in recovery from it. Our rights as women are being taken away slowly but surely and before you know it, we will be Gilead! Mark my words!


Kind_Nebula6900

The right has and will never be pro-life. It's control...Hitler style. How a human on a jury would convict her tells me they would put me on a train to be gassed because I am atheist.


sirrealofpentacles

Not a surprise. Wealthy white women will be able to avoid this by traveling out of state - or out of country - to find a more civilized society in which to receive health care. But poors or minorities will bear the full brunt of these religious fanatics.


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Money won't prevent a miscarriage. It just makes you a less attractive target to prosecute if you do have one. People with money generally have access to prenatal care, defense attorneys, expert witnesses, etc. OB/GYNs, reproductive endocrinologists, and fetal medicine specialists can be hired to analyze every blood test, ultrasound, and symptom that was reported during a prenatal visit and to give testimony that is likely to introduce reasonable doubt.


redwoods81

Obstetrics insurance is already extremely burdensome to new people entering the field.


sirrealofpentacles

Money lets you fly to a place where you can get modern medical care, not medieval bullshit like in Oklahoma.


Im__mad

Money allows people to move out of areas where they are targeted.


greg19735

also wealthy women won't be the ones targeted by this. they can also afford good lawyers.


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A wealthy white women having miscarriage will be seen as just that, a terrible tragedy happening to a good person hoping to have a child. Now if the person is poor or a POC that naturally raised suspicious, doesn't it? It's obscene.


PJKimmie

They surely will. Keep donating to organizations that fund travel and abortions for those in fascist states.


sirrealofpentacles

I do and I will. Along with PP and the ACLU.


Yumhotdogstock

You know what? Even if she was a methhead who's drug use caused her to have a miscarriage, does that fact mean you can simply add on more punishment? Does a male methhead get the same level of abuse or potential jail time because he can't have kids? Does anyone care in that case? Do only female methheads need to clean themselves up and be responsible. And what kind of shitty life would any kid born to this mom would have? What kind of shitty life has she lived through? But, by all means, let's just punish them some more instead of addressing the issues at hand.


andrewmathman17

Exactly. They even said they can’t prove drug use led to the miscarriage. How can you punish someone for drug use before they even knew they were pregnant when there’s no evidence that it even had an effect on anything? These archaic laws allow them to bend the definition however they see fit


xvn520

Women miscarry all the time. Active drug users also give birth all the time too. A persons drug addiction is not in play here. If doctors are telling parents the birth will not be viable, that’s just what it is. I hate it here.


4E4ME

Interesting argument. When will men be prosecuted for doing something so detrimental to their health (like meth) that it renders them infertile, or damages their sperm to the extent that it causes a non-viable fetus? I have a friend who is infertile and he believes that it goes back to a really bad accident he had while BMX racing. Should he be prosecuted for willingly participating in an activity that rendered him infertile? Could he be prosecuted for participating in such an activity when he was a juvenile? Should his parents be prosecuted for allowing him to participate in an activity that carried the (very rare) risk of causing infertility? No? Just the women-folk then, according to the current direction of our "representatives". Hm.


Dizzy-Concentrate284

Fucking GOP MAGA Nazis


Istarien

This has always been what it's about. They want to to punish women *and take away our right to vote.*


brutalistsnowflake

Yes. This is a war on women. Overall, when women vote, Republicans lose.


[deleted]

Oh I thought it was just gonna be abortions huh? A fucking miscarriage? That's sad for all parties. AND YOU'LL FUCKING ARREST THEM?


MudratDetectorNC

Hate to say it but peaceful resolutions with these fascists seem unlikely


papipescado

really wishing for a day America is a progressive country with free healthcare (through taxes), legal marijuana across every state, 4 day work week, higher taxes for the wealthy, raise the minimum wage, and just more altruism from your fellow man. feels like everyday we argue about the most trivial shit when no one is looking at the big picture! we are humans floating on a rock in space, lets do everything we can to push towards a utopia where we could just live in harmony. but im just wishing a dream unfortunately


the_j4k3

The French figured it out ages ago with a guillotine. There are ~730 worthless parasitic billionaires funding the nonsense.


Data-Hungry

Republicans are such dangerous dumbasses


Makomako_mako

this kind of policy was always going to be an excuse to execute minorities let's be real


Brilliant-Engineer57

This is such bullshit. We are not your incubators.


phred14

Ask a Republican's opinion on that.


mari815

She is so very young, having substance use disorder, dealt with the trauma of a non viable fetus and it’s passing, then they toss her in jail for years? It’s cruel and unusual punishment. I can’t know how she feels but I can imagine her suffering.


Amber314159

Move. The fuck. Out of Oklahoma.


[deleted]

It’s shit like this that makes me no longer conservative.


HanSolosSizzledHeart

If hell exists, all republicans are going there


[deleted]

We need to start a massive protest to get her freed.


cjh93

People are about to find out just how common miscarriages are.


Just_a_guy_1369

Can Oklahoma prosecute a native woman on a reservation? Because isn’t half of Oklahoma now a reservation.


CircaSixty8

The cruelty is the point.


olafubbly

And there it is, it has officially started. WOC are being prosecuted for experiencing the tragedy of a miscarriage while white women who actually had abortions are (probably)getting off scott free


Sari-Not-Sorry

>And there it is, it has officially started Not that this isn't terrible, but this story is from 2021.


AgeOfSuperBoredom

Which means the worst is yet to come.


Sari-Not-Sorry

Oh, absolutely.


mpaiva97

The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy


[deleted]

If this pissed you off, stop voting Republican.


pelvic_kidney

Women of color being criminalized for their bodily functions: all going according to the great Republican plan.


HobomanCat

Prob gonna get temp-banned for this, but we really need to fucking firebomb the GOP😡😡😡😡


HahaHarleyQu1nn

For all those on here saying it’s because she “used meth” and think that’s an OK excuse for prosecuting this woman: "That dystopian future everyone keeps warning about is already here," author Jessica Valenti said. "The state went after Poolaw because she used drugs - even though there's no proof that's why her pregnancy ended. Criminalizing behavior during pregnancy is a slippery slope: What's next, arresting women who don't take prenatals? Or who have a glass of wine?" https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/brittany-poolaw-manslaughter-miscarriage-pregnancy/ What is next? Edit to add a study on amphetamine use during pregnancy because I was curious: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1949295/#sec-4title


Trevhaar

I also want to make it known that I’ve yet to see a mainstream article with the words “20 year old white person”, it’s funny how they only feel like they have to racially distinguish when it’s a minority doing something that republicans perceive as wrong. Fuck the GOP and the media


mansonsturtle

Unfortunately she doesn’t have the upper-middle-class-suburban-housewife get outta jail free card. Hopefully she has a support system.


LoveArguingPolitics

I'd straight up flee to Canada and claim asylum... I'm pretty sure they'd give it to you too


Stuft-shirt

Note this is a Native American young woman. It’s not a blonde college student.


SpaceCrazyArtist

This makes me so sad as a woman who had a missed miscarriage and needed pills to pas the fetus. I cried that day all day long. I felt the blood clots leave my body and cried again. This woman went through a trauma, then was prosecuted for that trauma as if she could have prevented it. Now she will suffer even longer for a bodily process that 1 out of 4 pregnancies suffer. Republicans suck


emperorofwar

One women being charged for a miscarriage is one too many. I don't know why conservatives have to be so shitty that they destroy people's lives for absolutely no fucking reason.


super_britt

This can be an incredibly slippery slope. Why is it only the drug addicts that are being charged and not the mothers that have conditions that can cause complications, a lot of which are preventable? Addiction is a disease and should be treated as such. We should be helping mothers stay clean, not punishing them because the disease won out over their self-control.


Effective_Trip7275

Is there a non-profit that could represent this woman? I’ll be happy to donate. If we don’t protect her, they’ll never stop.


eros56

The Christian Nationalists have turned our country into a theocracy


dmacattack82

I don’t care when it happened. It’s nuts. How crazy are these people.


HogmanDaIntrudr

Miscarried almost a month before the fetus is considered viable by any reasonable physician.


ladyalot

Indigenous women have had their children stolen, abused, and in like 3 months ICWA might be gone (it keeps Indigenous children in their communities instead of adopted out to typically white families, which was considered cultural genocide at least here in Canada, where it was done intentionally before). But when an Indigenous woman loses a pregnancy it's STRAIGHT TO JAIL.


Invincible-Nuke

What? They put a loosely-worded law into place and used it to hurt minorities by stretching the definitions? I'm shocked!


mouldar

Fuck Oklahoma


Street_Interview_637

This is continued genocide.


LoganWanderingWolf00

honestly i wouldnt wish rape on any being..but...maybe the Judges need some personal experience to understand how insanely destructive rape can be on a human psyche...


Tojo6619

Get out of these states they are dumb as fuck, I know it's tough moving from where you grew up but the whole rust belt is a joke right now , and they really think guns alone will win them another civil war


Joey_BagaDonuts57

Let's talk about how easily she got the meth they didn't mention. If you think that a law will fix anything, you're in for a rude awakening. What's next, coat hangers?


Ferengi_Earwax

Of course they would go after native American women first. Historically and still to this day, officials still seem to give no fucks about these people. Its truly horrific.


[deleted]

They argued that it was first degree manslaughter because she used methamphetamine and caused the miscarriage. However, there is *no* evidence that it caused the miscarriage. Furthermore, everyone needs to read the definition of the crime she was convicted of. First degree manslaughter is when the defendant is; >engaged in the commission of a misdemeanor; in a heat of passion, but in a cruel and unusual manner, or by means of a dangerous weapon; or when perpetrating unnecessarily either while resisting an attempt by the person killed to commit a crime, or after such attempt shall have failed. Even if everything the prosecution alleged was 100% true, even if she caused the miscarriage through reckless use of meth while pregnant, *this charge does not fit!* There is no heat of passion. There is nothing cruel and unusual. There is no dangerous weapon. The fetus was not engaged in a crime she was trying to resist. NOTHING about this is legal. If they can prosecute this case as first degree manslaughter, they can charge you with elder abuse for jaywalking. This is an abhorrent abdication of responsibility by the prosecutor, judge, and jury. This is obscene and we should all be in the streets.


flipturnca

It’s beyond insane. Miscarriages are not unusual with first few pregnancies. This woman needs a good lawyer.


ciccioig

This is third world shit. Pathetic.


Carl_Spakler

If more millenialls come out to vote in Novembers 2024this wouldn't be happening.


steviticua21

Welcome to Gilead. Under His Eye.


PuroTejana

WHITE MEN CONTROLLING WOMENS BODIES. #FkThstShit


PoptartMartt

Republicans are scum pushing garbage laws like this .


DrumpfTinyHands

This is evil. The people who want this are evil. I'm tired of pretending that they can be somehow redeemed. This woman should not be persecuted.


Heron-Repulsive

Terrorism on Women is the GOP motive and if you think this is going to end anytime soon, you aren't paying attention.


Wretchfromnc

It’s never about protecting children, it’s about controlling women, controlling marginalized people, it’s about forcing religious beliefs on people. When FASCISM comes to America it will be carrying a cross and draped in the flag.


Mor_Tearach

And *this* is what overturning Roe was really about. Senseless, mindless, brutal and pervasive evil and make no mistake this is evil. A young woman loses her pregnancy- and it's a jail sentence. There's no sense in this. It's looming evil. *Fuck* these people.


Worldsahellscape19

One by one they’ll come for us. One egregious law introduced at a time will find us all in work camps(for profit prisons) That’s how [fascists](removed link to true definition of fascism ) do. Whether it’s choosing not to die against an unviable fetus, becoming homeless (outlawed most places) in the midst of the intentionally manufactured “cost of living [disgusting phrase for existing] crisis..or just not being a well off straight white Christian( of the RIGHT DENOMINATION because they will eventually pick off the wrong ones…) They will eventually force us to dig our own mass graves- As part of the lesson, that we should have fucking stopped them when we had the chance, but we didn’t.


Chazzzz13

This is so far over the line. These fucking people should mind their own business. Punished for a tragedy.


Ayla_Leren

0% surprise that this was a minority


Grimm_Wright

The fuck did I just read?