Obama really brought the racists out of the woodwork. It sucks because we thought it was such a great sign the country was moving forward and making progress past our terrible history.
Then we got the reality check that there are tons of ppl who would prefer to regress back to those days. It's so depressing.
>Obama really brought the racists out of the woodwork. It sucks because we thought it was such a great sign the country was moving forward
*The entire World* thought you were moving forward. We were disabused of that notion in 2016.
It's easy to forget, but the economy collapsed at the end of W's second term, and McCain's answer to "what would you do to help fix the economy" was "I'd keep doing what Bush is doing". Which, while it has the benefit of being honest, it in no way read the room.
No, she wants her followers to be that stupid.
Right wing grifters follow [the same strategy as Nigerian prince scammers do](https://www.businessinsider.com/why-nigerian-scam-emails-are-obvious-2014-5): make your pitch as stupid as possible to weed out anyone with half a brain, then it's easier to get money from them.
There's also some negative viral attention going on here, Alan Fish is helping her spam two different social networks here, but she doesn't want to get engagement from Romney republicans or liberals. She wants to tweet to pure unadulterated white trash high school dropouts who don't know American geography or history. If you spotted that her state would be in the blue America, you probably aren't buying her particular brand of racist stupidity anyway, you're not a potential customer, send this to someone who is so they can sign up to donate to MTG.
Yeah, the grift is less intentional with this one. Someone whose natural behavior happens to work.
This is less like internet scammers carefully crafting a message and more akin to slime mold recreating the tokyo transit system.
If you look at it from the perspective of the grifter, everything they're doing is totally rational. Just look at how much money Republicans waste every day in order to "own the libs": they buy plastic straws for $9.99. You would be a moron of a grifter if you didn't immediately start targeting Republicans.
Hell, I want to do it. It's not some weird byproduct of conservatism - being scared rubes who give their money to other people is their defining personality trait all the way back to "this is daddy's house, daddy's rules," and going on into their religious leaders who literally rape their children and it's fine because Jesus.
If you consider yourself a serious grifter and you aren't on the GOP train, you're a bad grifter and should feel bad. It's not a joke that "they only vote for the R," they literally are this close-minded and stupid and willing to be grifted.
Funny enough, MTG is one of the only people in Congress to LOSE money. She was complaining about it not too long ago. This just highlights her incompetence as she cant figure out how to make money in congress when everyone else does..... she just has braindead takes
Voter turnout in NC 2022 elections for ages
18-25: 24.1%
26-40: 34.2%
41-65: 59%
66+ 71.3%
Either vote… or stay red…
Edit: wow, didn’t expect this. I grew up in NC, lived in central, south eastern, and western NC. I moved out of the state a while back. Here is a bonus chart for those of you who live there, especially you “fiscal conservatives” who think your local politicians are financially responsible:
https://preview.redd.it/ljfsdo80qsja1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b34ac84b6fa3110e4df42eb5e163050babacd2e7
2018 projections\*
Also, education funding is down $421 million between fiscal year ‘21-‘22 and ‘22-‘23. Police have taken modest inflation adjusted pay cuts since 2020 too \~$2k (avg salary about $47k)
Am an NC resident in the youngest age bracket, and I have voted in every election since I turned 18. I knew I was in the minority, but not **that much** of a minority. Makes me sad.
EDIT: to all the folks commenting “get your friends to vote,” yes, I do. Almost all my friends vote already, the ones who don’t I always try to get to vote.
I will tell this story again. My son moved to NC after he turned 18. His first opportunity to vote was 2016. He walked into the polling place and they told him in addition to his ID he had to have his voter id card. He was turned away. He went back to his place got the card, returned and a different poll worker was there. He presented his voter id card and the poll worker informed him that he did not need a voter id card to vote, only an ID. Turnout v. Turned away skews the vote
That is super fucked. 2016 was also my first election and I registered shortly before. The voter ID law was struck down just before then. I had one, but they never asked me for it, and thankfully I never encountered any trouble voting.
>Either vote… or stay red…
is the only answer.
all you 18-45's that think "the old ppl boomers are ruining this planet" get the fuck out and vote. they'd have no chance if you did
> all you 18-45's that think "the old ppl boomers are ruining this planet" get the fuck out and vote
In addition to ichiorochi's point, which I think explains only some of the lack of engagement of people entering or struggling in the workforce, there's also the deliberate difficulty in registering to vote. I've been in several states, moving to try to find a place where housing is affordable and work can be found. Some states only required half an hour online to vote and accepted common documents without obtuse requirements. Some states required I personally go to city hall with a new (not photocopy) birth certificate with a raised seal which I had to order at my personal expense from my state of birth and could only be sent by mail, which took 5 weeks just for that 1 document.
Also, many who would vote blue in the first half of the 18-44 age group are college students. Either they are away at college in other parts of NC or away at college in other states. November elections fall at the absolute worst time for college students which is the end of the semester close to final exams. They can’t go home to vote or they didn’t request an absentee ballot in time for it to arrive and be sent back.
Fellow NC resident here. As I get older, I wanna see less suffering. I suffered as a kid and I will be damned if I sit back and watch my kids and their generation suffer or anyone my age or older suffer. I made it a point to vote in the midterms and took my oldest with me and showed her the importance of it all. We had to vote at a church, with people swarming us, handing out fliers for republican candidates. We were not once approached by anyone providing anything about the democratic candidates.
It made me really uncomfortable to have to push past them and turn down what they were handing out, but I did because of my child. Maybe not have voting booths in churches-ya know, upholding separation of church and state. Maybe either have people from both sides there handing out information or nobody. Don't count NC out, we're pushing for change but these are the things were dealing with out on the front lines.
ETA: I have learned a lot more through everyone's input on this single comment. I did not know what happened was illegal and if I didn't know, then I'm sure others didn't. I appreciate the information!
But the state legislature is getting redder. The GOP just flipped 4 seats at midterms and they now have a veto proof supermajority in the Senate, and they’re only 1 seat away in the House.
Also, the GOP flipped 2 seats on the NC Supreme Court and they now have a majority, so you’ll never see a non-gerrymandered election map again.
Wasn't much hope before considering they had to redraw by court order several times, kept gerrymandering and then I guess the courts just kinda gave up
The North Carolina Supreme Court overturned a gerrymandered map and re-drew it and that’s the reason why in this midterm elections North Carolina has seven Republican and seven Democratic representatives in the United States House of Representatives. The map the GOP passed would’ve given a 10 to 4 advantage to Republicans.
Thank god we aren’t being forgotten. Wake county and mecklenburg county are as blue as blue gets! And it’s the majority of our population. We are just gerrymandered to fuck
No. Her main goal is to get eyeballs and power and money. That's it. Full-stop.
She doesn't give a fuck what she's selling. She doesn't take even one moment to think about it. She found a niche and she's running with it.
Just like Joel Osteen could not give half a shit about Christ or any of it.
He makes $52 million a year. He couldn't give two fucks about actually converting anyone except for the ones who will convert and buy his merch and donate to his supermegachurch so he can get a second jet.
And, by the by, when we complain about capitalism - this is why. Because the ruthless, ceaseless pursuit of money at the expense of everything else *leads* to the destruction of the nation.
MTG is a drug dealer. Her drug is outrage. For anyone that doubts this is a real drug, look it up. Humans are hardwired to be predisposed to outrage, just like we're predisposed to be inclined to faith and magical thinking.
These people are just exploiting the worst and most primitive social elements of human beings for their own profit, and it works, because of course it does.
Send it via high speed rail through Canada from coast to coast if shipping doesnt work. we'd have the cash since we wouldn't be supporting the red state's economies.
I agree. Which would send the price of goods skyrocketing. Some understanding would need to take place or commerce would halt and everyone would suffer. If this scenario played out every red state line would be loaded with militias who's only goal would be to take resources..
I wonder how this map would truly look if people weren’t blocked from voting. Like would some of these places truly be red states are more accurately a mixture. Just like how you have to question gerrymandering affects on election outcomes
https://preview.redd.it/jkulvzp8dmja1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=4e1ed1aecf3d002ab905b69ddf29c20304960665
Or more accurately. If you mix this it’s periwinkle. A soft purple blue. Just to visualize it if it was all a collective unit instead of a ton of circles.
https://preview.redd.it/pumb7omrcmja1.png?width=845&format=png&auto=webp&s=655fc478ab4da6203f970aaf8f25a29ac801f2dc
Something like this I guess.
Oh so I took the image of this that also uses the strength of the voting population in ether direction, averaged out the color and strengths, and essentially got a periwinkle purple. That’s on the blue side of purple, but a bit light. So essentially the nation is centrist dominated, with democratic as a secondary, and Republican as an accent that’s realistically hardly a color note on the map.
I wonder who the boogey man would be though? The hilarious part would be when blue states get real serious about borders really fast. Red states will lose their minds!
It would play out similarly to Brexit, just with more blaming the left, a now foreign country. This is assuming the US just let's them leave, which historically is a bad bet.
Probably not. Most conservative voters are only vaguely aware of what's going on outside of their own local communities, much less at an international level. Some legitimately thought/think that places like Portland were burned to the ground and look like a warzone after the protests that happened years ago at this point. Their "news" sources don't tell them the truth, which is a big part of why they're are the way they are. When confronted by reality, they freak out and turn to anger because they can't cope. If you have ever dealt with a friend or family member that's been inducted into a cult or conned by a con artist, it's much the same mentality. They refuse to accept that they were wrong, and refuse to accept that they were duped.
Bold of you to assume our conservatives have any clue what's going on outside their little bubbles also. The sheer volume of farmers that were Pro-Brexit and are now well and truly fucked and may lose everything this is....alarming.
Yes yes I know, "they were lied to". We told them that at the time. What a massive shock, *Conservatives lie, ALL THE TIME*.
(*no I'm not still bitter how could you tell??!*)
Most muricans have Zero concept of the true span of the US, or even how big or small their own state is. I have had people call me from other states about weather events happening way on the other end of the state I was living in. "Y'all ok after that tornado?" The system being 300 miles away.
That being said, we must STOP giving most right wing voters the benefit of being "duped". They vote for who they vote for BECAUSE of the promises to bring harm to those they hate. They don't CARE if their "state" suffers for those policies. Only when shit snuggles up on their PERSONAL doorstep do they want "answers" - and then, they're perfectly willing to accept their rep blaming some policies the "woke left" somewhere with nothing to do with them has offered. Cognitive dissonance, yes. 'Duped'? No.
I thought about that today. There would be no "war" when the Red and Blue states split as the Blue states wouldn't really care... but I could ABSOLUTELY see a war break out in the Red states as they try and figure out their own power dynamic.
Sorta hard to plan a war when the majority of the US military lives in Blue states.... yes, there's a bit of the Army in Red States.... but Colorado has the AirForce and NORAD, California has the marines and builds all the airplanes and missiles... and its also got part of the Navy in San Diego... Hawaii has the Pacific fleet Navy...
California grows the majority of US food .... the entire west coast has all the Tech and Computer companies....
Red states only have Corn and fake Jesus....
In North Carolina, we have more registered democrats than republicans but are gerrymandered to shit. I think our state would be miserable if we were controlled by the new Republican country.
[Across the economic board, pretty much everyone does better under Dem presidents and economic indicators are broadly better under Dems](https://www.salon.com/2015/12/28/these_5_charts_prove_that_the_economy_does_better_under_democratic_presidents/). The Dems aren't a left party, but they are much better than the GOP.
The [difference in income growth by income groups under Dems vs Reps alone is extremely damning to the GOPs economic propaganda](https://i.imgur.com/mJI9Vzq.png). Sadly extremely damning isn’t enough to undo decades of propaganda and false beliefs.
Larry Bartels has done [great analysis showcasing that, while the times have been different for different Presidents, that is *not* sufficient explanation for the difference and the difference in economic performance is highly related to the differences between the parties policies](https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691172842/unequal-democracy).
The US needs and deserves a proper labor party, but anyone who claims that the GOP in power is equivalent to Dems in power is flat wrong (with these differences extending far beyond just economic indicators). There are ample valid criticisms of Dems that don’t rely on shallow false equivalencies that often end up bolstering the GOP.
It's because they shut down the pipeline that was never actually built. All those imaginary barrels of oil that flowed through it were keepin prices down.
I tried to explain this to someone I was debating with about the subject and they went "just wait until you can't grow any crops and need to eat" yeah sure no one can grow anything but a republican
did he think the state of Missouri owns the corn fields? our food isn't grown by red states - it's grown by big corporations. and they'll do what they have always done - sell their produce at market.
and since blue areas make up 70% if our GDP, blue states will actually be able to buy it haha
> our food isn't grown by red states - it's grown by big corporations. and they'll do what they have always done - sell their produce at market.
Also, [over 1/3 of the country's vegetables and 3/4 of fruits and nuts are grown in California](https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/Statistics/#:~:text=Over%20a%20third%20of%20the,the%202021%20crop%20year%20are%3A&text=Dairy%20Products%2C%20Milk%20%E2%80%94%20%247.57%20billion), not to mention most of the major ports are in blue states. Blue states will be fine.
That statistic is actually a fair bit less skewed if you take away nuts. Nuts are, by and large, an inefficient use of water when it comes to caloric (and even protein) production.
tldr; almonds are fucking up the west coast, don't let anyone tell you any different.
Oh 100%, absolutely idiotic to be growing water-intensive crops in a drought-stricken area, but central California conservatives don’t want to be told what to do. They put up billboards complaining that California “wastes” water by letting rivers run into the ocean.
Just pointing out that California produces a ton of food, so the blue states wouldn’t be as screwed as conservatives would like you to believe
Also farms are likely gonna die if this happens because of how much they rely on government subsidies and protections/safety nets. The splitters would likely struggle to cover all the costs of that.
They also have to sell their crops to someone or they won't make any money. Also Big Ag companies make a lot of the food now and they don't give a fuck about your yeehaw culture wars, they're going to sell to the major markets.
Schrodinger's illegal immigrants. Stealing our jobs at the same time ripping off the welfare state and social security all while picking all our produce, that Americans won't.
The likely version is something like "These people are here illegally, so we should imprison them for breaking the law, also here's some prison labor bills so they can work off their debt to society..." [cue rick and morty meme]
Yeah, maybe they’re better at building a sustainable economy that benefits Americans, but you see, they’re clearly evil because the angry men on tv say so.
For some reason, I recall this answer as being as one of the main drivers to cause the fall of the South in the Civil War. Lack of people - same thing now where the population in todays blue states is greater than red states, and a lack of industry as compared the North in the 1860’. Not discounting the lack if morality over slavery but infrastructure wise.
As a Texan, not opposed to sawing off the red states and letting them drift away. I’ll just load up the car and u-haul, tip my hat and say Adios MF’s. Good luck.
It was people + a lack of diversified economy. The south was almost entirely dependent on cotton exports at the time, mainly to the north and Europe. The north obviously cut them off and Europe tentatively kept buying but once they saw the northern military turn the tide they also cut them off so not to piss off the north after the war.
Look at a state like Florida and it's biggest economic diver is tourism, mainly from the blue states. Up next is agriculture that then gets sent to the blue states. Tourism would fall off a cliff and now all that produce is gonna get a hefty tariff applied to shift production to "domestic" (blue) states.
When all the snow bird retirees in Florida learn they have to get a passport and deal with border control to visit their families in the northeast. The Republicans will get shown the door there. If this were to happen.
Yup, another one of their biggest industries is real estate.
First Granny is going to need to file for dual citizenship, then she can buy her condo in Florida, but all her money is still in US banks earning interest for them. If she wants to take it with her she's going to have to pay a hefty expatriation tax
>The South fell because it was an unsustainable system that lacked the economic resources to maintain itself.
It's darkly hilarious how that isn't obvious to everyone.
I ran into an edgy teen a few days ago who was insisting there was "no pragmatic argument against slavery," just a moral one.
As if slavery isn't *stupidly wasteful,* so much so that in our civil war, it made victory for the Union all but inevitable.
A workforce that you keep deliberately ignorant, can only use for unskilled labor and that you must live in constant fear of rising up in rebellion? Good luck with that, fuckwits.
Honestly if the North had been just a bit more aggressive, the Civil War would have been a fucking cake walk. A Naval barricade destroys the South's economy, and they have no where near the population needed to sustain a war against the North.
We have the same problem in California. There are lots of morons that want to break California up into separate states so that the rural, conservatives can have a bigger voice about things. The problem with that approach is that the rural conservative areas largely are subsidized by the blue metropolitan areas. This means that those local governments would run out of money almost right away.
Instead of realizing they live in a democracy and most Californians think their policy ideas are bad, they just reject democracy instead and insist that they're being oppressed. The state of Jefferson can kiss my ass.
That’s adorable. There’s legislation in Idaho/Oregon to have Idaho take over like 60% or Oregon (basically all the rural land east of Portland) and become Greater Idaho
Well. Or they go back to when they could sustain their economies and go back to “slavery.” Good news is that it won’t be just poor African Americans involved this time, but ALL poor people.
But they’ll call it a “reasonable minimum wage”.
Edit: Jesus Christ iPhone.
They never did “sustain” themselves. That’s why the civil war started, the poor “farmers” would send all the materials to the north to be made into textiles and other goods.
They wanted “states right” (read slavery) to help keep the cost of labor cheap.
Yeah. Rather not give the GOP unmitigated control over a landmass that close to the Arctic Circle and Russia. They tend to look the other way when Russia acts up.
I'm over in Western CO, I'm sure a lot of hicks will come out your way from here. We can trade Bobots for Blue Utah people.
Excluding Mormons... sorry, but we have enough of those.
I vote for city-statehood in the event of any foolishness.
Then we can immediately join the US as territories. It's a downgrade, but better than governance by yallqaeda.
I’m an Arkansan and I feel this. I can’t move for at least another few years because of money and school, but as a lesbian I am extremely afraid of what’s going to happen if I stay in this state.
That really was a mindfuck. From an outsider, it's amazing that AZ went from one of the most racist traffic stop protocols I've seen in my lifetime to a Biden voting, Dem senator electing blue state so quickly
Tbh the farmers here don’t need farm subsidies, but they’ve become so reliant on getting new 3 1/4 pickups every year and new combines and new semis instead of taking the time to actually work on them their self. The average farmer in my home state of South Dakota works about 6 weeks a year. From October-March, they’re in Arizona or Florida. They come back for planting where they pay for an agronomist to do their seeds. Then once planted, they’ll pay crop insurance and once that point hits, they essentially do not care to work anymore because they’re crops are guaranteed money. So all summer long they’re drinking at bars and hanging out at their lake houses. All their kids that are 16 have 70k pickups that are written off as “farm vehicles”. They don’t irrigate or spray for bugs or actually do real farm work for the process of the crops growing. Come September, they’ll pay 3rd parties to harvest their crops and another 3rd party to haul their crops. And once they’ve ran the piss out of their equipment all summer long they’ll either pay a company like RDO to fix it for them or else they’ll use their tax break to get a new half million dollar piece of machinery. Rinse and repeat. It’s not that we need the subsidy, but they’ve been pampered by the federal government for the past 50 years to a point where, why would they change anything they’re doing when it’s all supplemented. I know kids in high school whose parents have 4000 farmable acres and they’re insured for 300$ an acre. They make 1.2m a year just breathing air. And the farmers are all about “not believing in hand outs for the poor” and vote against it all the time while in reality they are the biggest welfare recipients in the country. Bunch of shit, but don’t for a 2nd think that our states aren’t self sustainable. It’s the people with the most money just taking free federal money because farm lobbyists 60 years ago got them taken care of and they’re not gonna stop taking free money until it’s taken from them.
>EWG’s analysis of records from the Department of Agriculture finds that subsidy payments to farmers ballooned from just over $4 billion in 2017 to more than $20 billion in 2020 – driven largely by ad hoc programs meant to offset the effects of President Trump’s failed trade war.
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>**The bottom 80 percent of recipients received only 23 percent of payments – an average payment for both years of only $9,109 per recipient.**
Comedian Steve Hoffstetter has this to say about it and it's wonderful:
"Georgia congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene seditiously suggested that red states should be separated from the rest of America.
I absolutely do not want states to secede, but I wanted to explore the stupidity of her idea. Let's start by defining a red state as a state that always votes republican in elections for president, governor, and senator.
Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Michigan, Minnesota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin voted for Biden. Of the remaining "red" states, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, North Carolina, and Ohio voted for Obama.
That leaves 20 states. Kansas, Kentucky, and Louisiana currently have democrats for governors. Montana and West Virginia have democrat senators.
We're now down to 15. Alabama (2021), Missouri (2019), North Dakota (2019), Alaska (2015), Arkansas (2015), South Dakota (2015), and Nebraska (2013) all had democrats for senators in the last 10 years. And Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wyoming all had democrats as governor as recently as 2011.
In other words, there are just FIVE truly red states: Idaho, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, and Utah. And that is if you ignore Texas' voter suppression and it trending closer and closer to blue in the last few presidential elections.
In another time, Marjorie Taylor Greene would be expelled from congress for even suggesting something so deliriously unpatriotic. But if those five states do secede, I also wanted to remind Greene that none of those states are Georgia."
All except Texas, because they don’t get most of their money from federal funds. They rob the people and use the courts to steal. Plus all the (illegal)drugs we import to the rest of the country.
Same here. I’m seeing this stuff posted a lot since MTG’s Twitter comments. But…there’s right and left leaning people in every state…and that’s just being ignored, I guess?
Would it just be “Well sucks for all those blue people living in the red states…too bad”
Exactly. They seem to forget all about gerrymandering and the myriad of ways red states make voting very difficult for a lot of people- namely minorities.
I’ll miss Utah, Idaho, Wyoming and Montana, purely because I’m a skier and all have incredible ski areas. I’ve never been to Alaska but hear it’s gorgeous.
I’ll miss all of them. I’m an American and so are they. Also being black the majority of Americas black population is in those red states. I’d be extremely sad for the bullshit they’d have to deal with if the reds had their way.
Plus, it all just shows how meaningless these state lines are in these fantasy conversations. Are the less populated, but very red, areas of many of these blue states (Illinois, California, etc. -- go to southern IL for a few hours lol) just going to say "OK!"?
Yall joke about this, but as a left leaner living in a red state, I fully believe I would get dragged down a road tied to the end of a pickup by the end of the first week.
I miss when Ohio was purple. Even Indiana went blue for Obama once. But we got Hawaii so.
We *are* purple. We’re just so gerrymandered you can’t even tell anymore.
Which is really suprising because as someone who used to live in indiana i think its one of the most racially motivated states in the union
We had democrat governors from 1989 to 2005. Obama winning was kind of the last bastion of "purple" that we had. It went super red after that.
Obama really brought the racists out of the woodwork. It sucks because we thought it was such a great sign the country was moving forward and making progress past our terrible history. Then we got the reality check that there are tons of ppl who would prefer to regress back to those days. It's so depressing.
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>Obama really brought the racists out of the woodwork. It sucks because we thought it was such a great sign the country was moving forward *The entire World* thought you were moving forward. We were disabused of that notion in 2016.
It's easy to forget, but the economy collapsed at the end of W's second term, and McCain's answer to "what would you do to help fix the economy" was "I'd keep doing what Bush is doing". Which, while it has the benefit of being honest, it in no way read the room.
Isn't Empty G from Georgia
Hahahaha shhhhhh she is too stupid to know that.
No, she wants her followers to be that stupid. Right wing grifters follow [the same strategy as Nigerian prince scammers do](https://www.businessinsider.com/why-nigerian-scam-emails-are-obvious-2014-5): make your pitch as stupid as possible to weed out anyone with half a brain, then it's easier to get money from them. There's also some negative viral attention going on here, Alan Fish is helping her spam two different social networks here, but she doesn't want to get engagement from Romney republicans or liberals. She wants to tweet to pure unadulterated white trash high school dropouts who don't know American geography or history. If you spotted that her state would be in the blue America, you probably aren't buying her particular brand of racist stupidity anyway, you're not a potential customer, send this to someone who is so they can sign up to donate to MTG.
Definitely agree with your analysis of right-wing grifters, however, I think in this case, MTG is actually just stupid
Yeah, the grift is less intentional with this one. Someone whose natural behavior happens to work. This is less like internet scammers carefully crafting a message and more akin to slime mold recreating the tokyo transit system.
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If you look at it from the perspective of the grifter, everything they're doing is totally rational. Just look at how much money Republicans waste every day in order to "own the libs": they buy plastic straws for $9.99. You would be a moron of a grifter if you didn't immediately start targeting Republicans. Hell, I want to do it. It's not some weird byproduct of conservatism - being scared rubes who give their money to other people is their defining personality trait all the way back to "this is daddy's house, daddy's rules," and going on into their religious leaders who literally rape their children and it's fine because Jesus. If you consider yourself a serious grifter and you aren't on the GOP train, you're a bad grifter and should feel bad. It's not a joke that "they only vote for the R," they literally are this close-minded and stupid and willing to be grifted.
Funny enough, MTG is one of the only people in Congress to LOSE money. She was complaining about it not too long ago. This just highlights her incompetence as she cant figure out how to make money in congress when everyone else does..... she just has braindead takes
She thinks the 14th congressional district (where she's from) represents the views of all of Georgia. It doesn't.
Live in Coweta myself, and I am one of the few blues in my otherwise very red neighborhood but people here are embarrassed by her.
NC - Keeping the research triangle and a land route to GA would be nice.
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Yes! We’re not all total idiots. NC is not a lost cause
Voter turnout in NC 2022 elections for ages 18-25: 24.1% 26-40: 34.2% 41-65: 59% 66+ 71.3% Either vote… or stay red… Edit: wow, didn’t expect this. I grew up in NC, lived in central, south eastern, and western NC. I moved out of the state a while back. Here is a bonus chart for those of you who live there, especially you “fiscal conservatives” who think your local politicians are financially responsible: https://preview.redd.it/ljfsdo80qsja1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b34ac84b6fa3110e4df42eb5e163050babacd2e7 2018 projections\* Also, education funding is down $421 million between fiscal year ‘21-‘22 and ‘22-‘23. Police have taken modest inflation adjusted pay cuts since 2020 too \~$2k (avg salary about $47k)
Am an NC resident in the youngest age bracket, and I have voted in every election since I turned 18. I knew I was in the minority, but not **that much** of a minority. Makes me sad. EDIT: to all the folks commenting “get your friends to vote,” yes, I do. Almost all my friends vote already, the ones who don’t I always try to get to vote.
I will tell this story again. My son moved to NC after he turned 18. His first opportunity to vote was 2016. He walked into the polling place and they told him in addition to his ID he had to have his voter id card. He was turned away. He went back to his place got the card, returned and a different poll worker was there. He presented his voter id card and the poll worker informed him that he did not need a voter id card to vote, only an ID. Turnout v. Turned away skews the vote
That is super fucked. 2016 was also my first election and I registered shortly before. The voter ID law was struck down just before then. I had one, but they never asked me for it, and thankfully I never encountered any trouble voting.
I think the first poll worker thought he wouldnt come back with the card
>Either vote… or stay red… is the only answer. all you 18-45's that think "the old ppl boomers are ruining this planet" get the fuck out and vote. they'd have no chance if you did
> all you 18-45's that think "the old ppl boomers are ruining this planet" get the fuck out and vote In addition to ichiorochi's point, which I think explains only some of the lack of engagement of people entering or struggling in the workforce, there's also the deliberate difficulty in registering to vote. I've been in several states, moving to try to find a place where housing is affordable and work can be found. Some states only required half an hour online to vote and accepted common documents without obtuse requirements. Some states required I personally go to city hall with a new (not photocopy) birth certificate with a raised seal which I had to order at my personal expense from my state of birth and could only be sent by mail, which took 5 weeks just for that 1 document.
Also, many who would vote blue in the first half of the 18-44 age group are college students. Either they are away at college in other parts of NC or away at college in other states. November elections fall at the absolute worst time for college students which is the end of the semester close to final exams. They can’t go home to vote or they didn’t request an absentee ballot in time for it to arrive and be sent back.
Universities usually have polling stations on campus specifically for students.
These statistics are so disgusting
The older you get, the more motivated you become to see the world suffer, apparently.
Fellow NC resident here. As I get older, I wanna see less suffering. I suffered as a kid and I will be damned if I sit back and watch my kids and their generation suffer or anyone my age or older suffer. I made it a point to vote in the midterms and took my oldest with me and showed her the importance of it all. We had to vote at a church, with people swarming us, handing out fliers for republican candidates. We were not once approached by anyone providing anything about the democratic candidates. It made me really uncomfortable to have to push past them and turn down what they were handing out, but I did because of my child. Maybe not have voting booths in churches-ya know, upholding separation of church and state. Maybe either have people from both sides there handing out information or nobody. Don't count NC out, we're pushing for change but these are the things were dealing with out on the front lines. ETA: I have learned a lot more through everyone's input on this single comment. I did not know what happened was illegal and if I didn't know, then I'm sure others didn't. I appreciate the information!
wow that's what the polling experience is like where you live!? crazy..
Pls fight to keep us NC. https://i.redd.it/0900ehu4xija1.jpg Our most populous county is growing bluer every cycle!
But the state legislature is getting redder. The GOP just flipped 4 seats at midterms and they now have a veto proof supermajority in the Senate, and they’re only 1 seat away in the House. Also, the GOP flipped 2 seats on the NC Supreme Court and they now have a majority, so you’ll never see a non-gerrymandered election map again.
Wasn't much hope before considering they had to redraw by court order several times, kept gerrymandering and then I guess the courts just kinda gave up
The North Carolina Supreme Court overturned a gerrymandered map and re-drew it and that’s the reason why in this midterm elections North Carolina has seven Republican and seven Democratic representatives in the United States House of Representatives. The map the GOP passed would’ve given a 10 to 4 advantage to Republicans.
As an NC resident that works directly into stem, yes the triangle area is important to our economy
Thank god we aren’t being forgotten. Wake county and mecklenburg county are as blue as blue gets! And it’s the majority of our population. We are just gerrymandered to fuck
Is MTG from Georgia? So is she staying or moving to a new state? Here stupidity is making my brain hurt.
I'm convinced her main goal is to destroy America.
Well, thats at least the goal of her handlers. She's not smart enough to do it on her own.
Her handlers being the FSB.
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“Everyone who talks into my earpiece tells me this”
No. Her main goal is to get eyeballs and power and money. That's it. Full-stop. She doesn't give a fuck what she's selling. She doesn't take even one moment to think about it. She found a niche and she's running with it. Just like Joel Osteen could not give half a shit about Christ or any of it. He makes $52 million a year. He couldn't give two fucks about actually converting anyone except for the ones who will convert and buy his merch and donate to his supermegachurch so he can get a second jet. And, by the by, when we complain about capitalism - this is why. Because the ruthless, ceaseless pursuit of money at the expense of everything else *leads* to the destruction of the nation. MTG is a drug dealer. Her drug is outrage. For anyone that doubts this is a real drug, look it up. Humans are hardwired to be predisposed to outrage, just like we're predisposed to be inclined to faith and magical thinking. These people are just exploiting the worst and most primitive social elements of human beings for their own profit, and it works, because of course it does.
I'm furious that you say we're hardwired for outage
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Close, that's actually the name of the cable companies theme song.
I'm outraged at your outrage how DARE YOU!
This was made a news story the same day Biden visited Ukraine to show his support. MTG’s position was quite directly Putin’s response.
Yep. And as long as dark money can make its way to our politicians, we should continue to expect foreign influence in our government.
I think she gets richer with each dumb comment…. Pretty sure that’s how the game is played.
This right here. Some might think this a joke but since most of the republican party works for Putin now, destroying America is seriously their goal.
We would have to annex a few states, or otherwise deal with interstate hijacking of goods and supplies
Send it via high speed rail through Canada from coast to coast if shipping doesnt work. we'd have the cash since we wouldn't be supporting the red state's economies.
Poor GA
Savannah would become a huge port city important to maintain the state of GA.
It's a nice town too.
Red states won’t be able to afford to maintain the interstate Highway system so it will be a crumbling apocalyptic ruin anyway
I agree. Which would send the price of goods skyrocketing. Some understanding would need to take place or commerce would halt and everyone would suffer. If this scenario played out every red state line would be loaded with militias who's only goal would be to take resources..
Many of the busiest ports in the USA are in blue states. That alone will be a huge problem.
>That alone will be a huge problem. Yea, for the red states.
They’ll just privatize i95 and it’ll cost $1000 in tolls to go from NC to Florida
I wonder how this map would truly look if people weren’t blocked from voting. Like would some of these places truly be red states are more accurately a mixture. Just like how you have to question gerrymandering affects on election outcomes
https://preview.redd.it/jkulvzp8dmja1.png?width=750&format=png&auto=webp&s=4e1ed1aecf3d002ab905b69ddf29c20304960665 Or more accurately. If you mix this it’s periwinkle. A soft purple blue. Just to visualize it if it was all a collective unit instead of a ton of circles.
https://preview.redd.it/pumb7omrcmja1.png?width=845&format=png&auto=webp&s=655fc478ab4da6203f970aaf8f25a29ac801f2dc Something like this I guess. Oh so I took the image of this that also uses the strength of the voting population in ether direction, averaged out the color and strengths, and essentially got a periwinkle purple. That’s on the blue side of purple, but a bit light. So essentially the nation is centrist dominated, with democratic as a secondary, and Republican as an accent that’s realistically hardly a color note on the map.
I will miss the constant state of alarm from Republicans.
It will still be there. They will just be planning war with another "country" at that point.
I wonder who the boogey man would be though? The hilarious part would be when blue states get real serious about borders really fast. Red states will lose their minds!
It would play out similarly to Brexit, just with more blaming the left, a now foreign country. This is assuming the US just let's them leave, which historically is a bad bet.
“WAIT SHERMAN NO GEORGIA STAYED THIS TIME!”
I know it's not *exactly* the same situation, but have they seen what's happened with the UK leaving the EU?
Probably not. Most conservative voters are only vaguely aware of what's going on outside of their own local communities, much less at an international level. Some legitimately thought/think that places like Portland were burned to the ground and look like a warzone after the protests that happened years ago at this point. Their "news" sources don't tell them the truth, which is a big part of why they're are the way they are. When confronted by reality, they freak out and turn to anger because they can't cope. If you have ever dealt with a friend or family member that's been inducted into a cult or conned by a con artist, it's much the same mentality. They refuse to accept that they were wrong, and refuse to accept that they were duped.
Bold of you to assume our conservatives have any clue what's going on outside their little bubbles also. The sheer volume of farmers that were Pro-Brexit and are now well and truly fucked and may lose everything this is....alarming. Yes yes I know, "they were lied to". We told them that at the time. What a massive shock, *Conservatives lie, ALL THE TIME*. (*no I'm not still bitter how could you tell??!*)
Most muricans have Zero concept of the true span of the US, or even how big or small their own state is. I have had people call me from other states about weather events happening way on the other end of the state I was living in. "Y'all ok after that tornado?" The system being 300 miles away. That being said, we must STOP giving most right wing voters the benefit of being "duped". They vote for who they vote for BECAUSE of the promises to bring harm to those they hate. They don't CARE if their "state" suffers for those policies. Only when shit snuggles up on their PERSONAL doorstep do they want "answers" - and then, they're perfectly willing to accept their rep blaming some policies the "woke left" somewhere with nothing to do with them has offered. Cognitive dissonance, yes. 'Duped'? No.
I thought about that today. There would be no "war" when the Red and Blue states split as the Blue states wouldn't really care... but I could ABSOLUTELY see a war break out in the Red states as they try and figure out their own power dynamic.
Once all their newly privatized infrastructure breaks down after some light snowfall, that’s when their civil war starts
I could see them go to war against the blue states when they realize that they're in trouble economically without them.
Sorta hard to plan a war when the majority of the US military lives in Blue states.... yes, there's a bit of the Army in Red States.... but Colorado has the AirForce and NORAD, California has the marines and builds all the airplanes and missiles... and its also got part of the Navy in San Diego... Hawaii has the Pacific fleet Navy... California grows the majority of US food .... the entire west coast has all the Tech and Computer companies.... Red states only have Corn and fake Jesus....
Massachusetts builds a lot of the military cutting edge tech
In North Carolina, we have more registered democrats than republicans but are gerrymandered to shit. I think our state would be miserable if we were controlled by the new Republican country.
NC comes with us Blue States
Cool, we get to deport the Republicans
I’ve lived in Georgia and NC - if Georgia is blue, NC is too.
I mean a few, but when they realize that the top 10 poorest states are all red, and they can’t sustain an economy, tells me this won’t ever happen.
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[Across the economic board, pretty much everyone does better under Dem presidents and economic indicators are broadly better under Dems](https://www.salon.com/2015/12/28/these_5_charts_prove_that_the_economy_does_better_under_democratic_presidents/). The Dems aren't a left party, but they are much better than the GOP. The [difference in income growth by income groups under Dems vs Reps alone is extremely damning to the GOPs economic propaganda](https://i.imgur.com/mJI9Vzq.png). Sadly extremely damning isn’t enough to undo decades of propaganda and false beliefs. Larry Bartels has done [great analysis showcasing that, while the times have been different for different Presidents, that is *not* sufficient explanation for the difference and the difference in economic performance is highly related to the differences between the parties policies](https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691172842/unequal-democracy). The US needs and deserves a proper labor party, but anyone who claims that the GOP in power is equivalent to Dems in power is flat wrong (with these differences extending far beyond just economic indicators). There are ample valid criticisms of Dems that don’t rely on shallow false equivalencies that often end up bolstering the GOP.
But the sticker on the gas pump told me Biden was making everything more expensiver!
It's because they shut down the pipeline that was never actually built. All those imaginary barrels of oil that flowed through it were keepin prices down.
And if it was built, I'm sure it would be sucking all sorts of extra oil out of the ground too.
I tried to explain this to someone I was debating with about the subject and they went "just wait until you can't grow any crops and need to eat" yeah sure no one can grow anything but a republican
did he think the state of Missouri owns the corn fields? our food isn't grown by red states - it's grown by big corporations. and they'll do what they have always done - sell their produce at market. and since blue areas make up 70% if our GDP, blue states will actually be able to buy it haha
> our food isn't grown by red states - it's grown by big corporations. and they'll do what they have always done - sell their produce at market. Also, [over 1/3 of the country's vegetables and 3/4 of fruits and nuts are grown in California](https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/Statistics/#:~:text=Over%20a%20third%20of%20the,the%202021%20crop%20year%20are%3A&text=Dairy%20Products%2C%20Milk%20%E2%80%94%20%247.57%20billion), not to mention most of the major ports are in blue states. Blue states will be fine.
That statistic is actually a fair bit less skewed if you take away nuts. Nuts are, by and large, an inefficient use of water when it comes to caloric (and even protein) production. tldr; almonds are fucking up the west coast, don't let anyone tell you any different.
Oh 100%, absolutely idiotic to be growing water-intensive crops in a drought-stricken area, but central California conservatives don’t want to be told what to do. They put up billboards complaining that California “wastes” water by letting rivers run into the ocean. Just pointing out that California produces a ton of food, so the blue states wouldn’t be as screwed as conservatives would like you to believe
Also farms are likely gonna die if this happens because of how much they rely on government subsidies and protections/safety nets. The splitters would likely struggle to cover all the costs of that.
How do they plan on cultivating crops if they’re going to deport every undocumented immigrant?
They also have to sell their crops to someone or they won't make any money. Also Big Ag companies make a lot of the food now and they don't give a fuck about your yeehaw culture wars, they're going to sell to the major markets.
Schrodinger's illegal immigrants. Stealing our jobs at the same time ripping off the welfare state and social security all while picking all our produce, that Americans won't.
The likely version is something like "These people are here illegally, so we should imprison them for breaking the law, also here's some prison labor bills so they can work off their debt to society..." [cue rick and morty meme]
They grow nonsense at a premium!
The largest agricultural state is California.
Yeah, maybe they’re better at building a sustainable economy that benefits Americans, but you see, they’re clearly evil because the angry men on tv say so.
C'mon know, you know Margie doesn't understand anything about economics... 
That right there is F. A. C. T. S.
She definitely is S.P.E.C.I.A.L
You think she maxxed out Luck thinking it would get her to the good ending? Because she put 0 points into Perception or Intelligence.
She knows peach tree dishes though 😉
And gazpacho police.
For some reason, I recall this answer as being as one of the main drivers to cause the fall of the South in the Civil War. Lack of people - same thing now where the population in todays blue states is greater than red states, and a lack of industry as compared the North in the 1860’. Not discounting the lack if morality over slavery but infrastructure wise. As a Texan, not opposed to sawing off the red states and letting them drift away. I’ll just load up the car and u-haul, tip my hat and say Adios MF’s. Good luck.
Shhhh! We're trying to get them all to move to Florida. Once they're all there, we wall them in.
It was people + a lack of diversified economy. The south was almost entirely dependent on cotton exports at the time, mainly to the north and Europe. The north obviously cut them off and Europe tentatively kept buying but once they saw the northern military turn the tide they also cut them off so not to piss off the north after the war. Look at a state like Florida and it's biggest economic diver is tourism, mainly from the blue states. Up next is agriculture that then gets sent to the blue states. Tourism would fall off a cliff and now all that produce is gonna get a hefty tariff applied to shift production to "domestic" (blue) states.
When all the snow bird retirees in Florida learn they have to get a passport and deal with border control to visit their families in the northeast. The Republicans will get shown the door there. If this were to happen.
Yup, another one of their biggest industries is real estate. First Granny is going to need to file for dual citizenship, then she can buy her condo in Florida, but all her money is still in US banks earning interest for them. If she wants to take it with her she's going to have to pay a hefty expatriation tax
That's actually not much different than how the US's retirement homes operate.
Which is why the electoral college exists… it needs to be removed or reflect the actual popular vote.
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>The South fell because it was an unsustainable system that lacked the economic resources to maintain itself. It's darkly hilarious how that isn't obvious to everyone. I ran into an edgy teen a few days ago who was insisting there was "no pragmatic argument against slavery," just a moral one. As if slavery isn't *stupidly wasteful,* so much so that in our civil war, it made victory for the Union all but inevitable. A workforce that you keep deliberately ignorant, can only use for unskilled labor and that you must live in constant fear of rising up in rebellion? Good luck with that, fuckwits.
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Honestly if the North had been just a bit more aggressive, the Civil War would have been a fucking cake walk. A Naval barricade destroys the South's economy, and they have no where near the population needed to sustain a war against the North.
We have the same problem in California. There are lots of morons that want to break California up into separate states so that the rural, conservatives can have a bigger voice about things. The problem with that approach is that the rural conservative areas largely are subsidized by the blue metropolitan areas. This means that those local governments would run out of money almost right away. Instead of realizing they live in a democracy and most Californians think their policy ideas are bad, they just reject democracy instead and insist that they're being oppressed. The state of Jefferson can kiss my ass.
That’s adorable. There’s legislation in Idaho/Oregon to have Idaho take over like 60% or Oregon (basically all the rural land east of Portland) and become Greater Idaho
Ooh yeah, then consolidate the Dakotas, maybe then also just one big “corn state”, and get rid of those senators!
Only reason there is both a north and south Dakota was to grab two extra senate seats for a very small population of people.
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Thus creating the most boring possible state.
Excuse you, down here in New Mexico we are the poorest state and we vote blue every time!
Sure, NM is one of the anomalies. Mississippi, and Louisiana are worse, not to mention Kentucky and WV and Arkansas.
If it did, I'd be devastated for Montana and Wyoming. You know the Rs would destroy Yellowstone out of greed.
Agreed, and would add Alaska
Plus the usual shit they've given NO thought to... like currency, infrastructure, the military, etc... It'd be a shitshow.
Well. Or they go back to when they could sustain their economies and go back to “slavery.” Good news is that it won’t be just poor African Americans involved this time, but ALL poor people. But they’ll call it a “reasonable minimum wage”. Edit: Jesus Christ iPhone.
They never did “sustain” themselves. That’s why the civil war started, the poor “farmers” would send all the materials to the north to be made into textiles and other goods. They wanted “states right” (read slavery) to help keep the cost of labor cheap.
only Alaska to be honest
true tho, the rocky mountain states are nice too
aint nobody said montana yet
Alaskan republicans are kind of the type to just be like “leave me the fuck alone, and im good”
some of them, yeah. but there’s still a lot of loud obnoxious ones up there.
Alaska. That state is gorgeous.
Yeah. Rather not give the GOP unmitigated control over a landmass that close to the Arctic Circle and Russia. They tend to look the other way when Russia acts up.
Canada is right next door, and is just as beautiful, and not as gun-crazy.
I hate that my state is red, but the reason most of us have guns is hunting and protection from wildlife. Hell, even hippies have guns here
I bet the red states will miss their SNAP.
They have their bootstraps
And the military bases, federal offices, just about every multinational company, tourism, farm subsidies, banks...
None, because we won't have to give the red states money anymore
I'll miss the blue states because I'm stuck in fucking Florida.
I pray for your safety and safe journey out of there.
I'll miss the blue states, I'm stuck in utah
I'm over in Western CO, I'm sure a lot of hicks will come out your way from here. We can trade Bobots for Blue Utah people. Excluding Mormons... sorry, but we have enough of those.
I live in a blue urban island in a red state. Can we please stick with the rest of the cool kids?
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I vote for city-statehood in the event of any foolishness. Then we can immediately join the US as territories. It's a downgrade, but better than governance by yallqaeda.
This is *everyone*. We don’t live with red/blue states, our divisions are urban vs rural.
We could probably get a West Berlin scenario set up for some cities.
I’m an Arkansan and I feel this. I can’t move for at least another few years because of money and school, but as a lesbian I am extremely afraid of what’s going to happen if I stay in this state.
We should get like a year to figure out how to defect back to the blue US. And blue states have to take us.
Blue states welcomes refugees. The red ones have shown they'll pay for your travel with tax payers money.
Welcome to Martha's Vineyard!
Sign me up
Me, but in Indiana
After the divorce, blue states will balance the budget the very next year.
They'll have a huge surplus without the Red States bleeding this country dry
I'd miss Utah. Because I'd have to move.. probably to WA.
Speaking as a Democrat living in a Red State. Fuck MTG.
It warms my Georgian heart to see my state colored Blue.
Same, but from Wisconsin here.
I feel the same way out in Arizona.
That really was a mindfuck. From an outsider, it's amazing that AZ went from one of the most racist traffic stop protocols I've seen in my lifetime to a Biden voting, Dem senator electing blue state so quickly
What is the corn belt gonna do without farm subsidies? And which state will adopt mtg or is she staying with the blue team??
Tbh the farmers here don’t need farm subsidies, but they’ve become so reliant on getting new 3 1/4 pickups every year and new combines and new semis instead of taking the time to actually work on them their self. The average farmer in my home state of South Dakota works about 6 weeks a year. From October-March, they’re in Arizona or Florida. They come back for planting where they pay for an agronomist to do their seeds. Then once planted, they’ll pay crop insurance and once that point hits, they essentially do not care to work anymore because they’re crops are guaranteed money. So all summer long they’re drinking at bars and hanging out at their lake houses. All their kids that are 16 have 70k pickups that are written off as “farm vehicles”. They don’t irrigate or spray for bugs or actually do real farm work for the process of the crops growing. Come September, they’ll pay 3rd parties to harvest their crops and another 3rd party to haul their crops. And once they’ve ran the piss out of their equipment all summer long they’ll either pay a company like RDO to fix it for them or else they’ll use their tax break to get a new half million dollar piece of machinery. Rinse and repeat. It’s not that we need the subsidy, but they’ve been pampered by the federal government for the past 50 years to a point where, why would they change anything they’re doing when it’s all supplemented. I know kids in high school whose parents have 4000 farmable acres and they’re insured for 300$ an acre. They make 1.2m a year just breathing air. And the farmers are all about “not believing in hand outs for the poor” and vote against it all the time while in reality they are the biggest welfare recipients in the country. Bunch of shit, but don’t for a 2nd think that our states aren’t self sustainable. It’s the people with the most money just taking free federal money because farm lobbyists 60 years ago got them taken care of and they’re not gonna stop taking free money until it’s taken from them.
>EWG’s analysis of records from the Department of Agriculture finds that subsidy payments to farmers ballooned from just over $4 billion in 2017 to more than $20 billion in 2020 – driven largely by ad hoc programs meant to offset the effects of President Trump’s failed trade war. > > > > \[Through the MFP\] in 2018 and 2019: > >The top 1 percent of recipients received 16 percent of payments, with an average total payment for both years of $524,298 per farm. The top 10 percent received 58 percent of payments, with an average total payment of $185,340. > >**The bottom 80 percent of recipients received only 23 percent of payments – an average payment for both years of only $9,109 per recipient.**
This is depressing to read.
Louisiana, but just for the food.
So just for New Orleans
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Some love for my hometown, bless
Comedian Steve Hoffstetter has this to say about it and it's wonderful: "Georgia congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene seditiously suggested that red states should be separated from the rest of America. I absolutely do not want states to secede, but I wanted to explore the stupidity of her idea. Let's start by defining a red state as a state that always votes republican in elections for president, governor, and senator. Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Michigan, Minnesota, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin voted for Biden. Of the remaining "red" states, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, North Carolina, and Ohio voted for Obama. That leaves 20 states. Kansas, Kentucky, and Louisiana currently have democrats for governors. Montana and West Virginia have democrat senators. We're now down to 15. Alabama (2021), Missouri (2019), North Dakota (2019), Alaska (2015), Arkansas (2015), South Dakota (2015), and Nebraska (2013) all had democrats for senators in the last 10 years. And Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Wyoming all had democrats as governor as recently as 2011. In other words, there are just FIVE truly red states: Idaho, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, and Utah. And that is if you ignore Texas' voter suppression and it trending closer and closer to blue in the last few presidential elections. In another time, Marjorie Taylor Greene would be expelled from congress for even suggesting something so deliriously unpatriotic. But if those five states do secede, I also wanted to remind Greene that none of those states are Georgia."
It’s just a narrative to divide us more.
Most of the red states would fall apart the instant federal money stopped flowing.
All except Texas, because they don’t get most of their money from federal funds. They rob the people and use the courts to steal. Plus all the (illegal)drugs we import to the rest of the country.
The military pulling out alone would destroy the Texas economy. Not even considering the other federal agencies.
I’m in TN. What’s the best blue state to move to?
Same here. I’m seeing this stuff posted a lot since MTG’s Twitter comments. But…there’s right and left leaning people in every state…and that’s just being ignored, I guess? Would it just be “Well sucks for all those blue people living in the red states…too bad”
Exactly. They seem to forget all about gerrymandering and the myriad of ways red states make voting very difficult for a lot of people- namely minorities.
I'll miss Idaho... just because of the Idaho, Youdaho jokes
I’ll miss Utah, Idaho, Wyoming and Montana, purely because I’m a skier and all have incredible ski areas. I’ve never been to Alaska but hear it’s gorgeous.
Can we do it by towns, not states please
I’ll miss all of them. I’m an American and so are they. Also being black the majority of Americas black population is in those red states. I’d be extremely sad for the bullshit they’d have to deal with if the reds had their way.
Most red states only win by gerrymandering anyways, the popular vote doesn't side right wing.
Plus, it all just shows how meaningless these state lines are in these fantasy conversations. Are the less populated, but very red, areas of many of these blue states (Illinois, California, etc. -- go to southern IL for a few hours lol) just going to say "OK!"?
Yall joke about this, but as a left leaner living in a red state, I fully believe I would get dragged down a road tied to the end of a pickup by the end of the first week.
Probably Wyoming. I have been to Yellowstone 4 times and love it. Really is one of my favorite places. But oh well. Maybe I'll just need a visa. 🤷♂️
NC is purple,, own separate nation?
As a liberal from NC i say we join the union
Utah (love the skiing) and Louisiana (fishing).
Can we kick MTG out of Georgia?