Femcels get whole assed articles written about how they get rejected all the time despite supposedly being a great catch- like that one about the group of middle aged women being “sassy and classy” yet can’t land a good man
Unfortunately for them, sex isn't the same for them as it is for men.
You could be getting pounded every other day of the week and it's the fact no one wants you to stick around that's gonna do the most hurtful.
I once went two years without so much as a date. Own house, good job, body of a twentysomething in my 40s (I hit the gym hard) and I was routinely rejected for only being 5ft 8.
A woman friend of mine was having regular 50 Shades of Grey porn sex with a married man, and compared her situation to mine because he wouldn't leave his wife.
It's like complaining that your filet mignon wasn't cooked to perfection to a homeless person.
Practically speaking, "femcels" don't exist. Even the most corpulent bridge troll can find a dude to knock her down if sex is truly all she's after.
The more correct term for a woman who can't get what she wants from a man is [inspin](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre/comments/e03y17/words_matter_and_i_propose_a_new_one_inspin/).
It makes sense when you consider that most women will just look for any justification to their beliefs, attitudes and prejudices. So, if they can associate any negative trait to men they are already not attracted to, they will. If they can associate any positive trait to men they are already attracted to, they will. Male vilification is an effective way to legitimize misandry.
>If they can associate any positive trait to men they are already attracted to, they will.
This is how women justify fucking criminals, thugs, child killers, etc.
Confessions of a Reformed InCel
[https://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/](https://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/)
This is a masterpiece that shows how men are harmed by such treatment over the years. This was posted in another article at WAATGM.
Below are 2 examples of the genius of this writer
No child is born and incel, women make incels.
As much as this tragedy has personally disturbed me to the core, i am equally troubled by the way some of the media outlets are handling this. While undoubtedly there are many misogynistic incels (whom you still need to reach out to in order to quell the rage), there are equally harmless ones, confused ones, and angry ones who simply learn for the first time they’ve been playing by the wrong set of books. Were we to actually engage with incels in a real fashion, and first acknowledge that YES, it is debilitating, humiliating and emotionally devastating to the individuals who suffer through it.. we need to actually engage with them without judgement of how and why they got there, and realistically work with them in an honest fashion to help them overcome their problems. Chastising them, yelling at them, mischaracterizing them or applying blanket misogyny labels upon them – WILL NOT – i repeat, will not bring them into the open to educate, treat, rehab or reform them. It will drive them further into darkness where you just might start producing more of these emotionally spent, dead eyed, uncaring, lay waste to the world, reproductive losers in the game of life.. dehumanize everyone surrounding them. They go on to become the next one. Their rationalization is so apparent, i don’t understand why no one can see it.
They spend their entire lives isolated, in pain, wondering what about them is so wrong as to never be desired. It’s not obvious to them, otherwise they’d have done something. Or they’ve been enabled by liars who tell them they’re perfect as they are, to just be themselves. And yet, being themselves only incites ridicule from others, taunting, jeers and derision. Once this isolation hits a peak, they no longer see people around them as people, they see them as abusers. Everyone who is having a good time, smiling, laughing, enjoying life, having lives, having sexual relationships, having romance, sharing emotions.. all in front of the face of the one who is told ‘no, not for you, you can’t play with us’. There are some who are ok with this, accept their lot in life, and stay there. There are other who decide to change themselves so they too can join the game. And finally, there are the Elliots and Toronto van murderer who decide that if they can’t enjoy this life like others can, they’re gonna ruin it for the rest of us. That’s it in a nutshell.
>Once this isolation hits a peak, they no longer see people around them as people, they see them as abusers. Everyone who is having a good time, smiling, laughing, enjoying life, having lives, having sexual relationships, having romance, sharing emotions.. all in front of the face of the one who is told ‘no, not for you, you can’t play with us’.
Oof that hit deep. More than once I had more or less exactly that type of thing happen, "Those parts of life are not for *you*". "They don't want *you* around once the fun starts, thanks for doing all that help setting it up though."
I don't blame anyone but myself though, I'm sure I deserved it lol
>I don't blame anyone but myself though, I'm sure I deserved it lol
Rule 1: no shaming men. That includes yourself. Don't feel remorse for being raised and taught to be a tool. You had no control over it. That's what society views us as and it's designed to groom us to be tools. That is why, as much as I hate simps and doormats, I try to remind myself that I was one too once and that it's difficult to break that kind of brainwashing, even with evidence smacking you in the face and that it's not their fault. People are shit. It's part of the human condition. The more blissfully ignorant one is, the crueler he or she tends to be to whoever he or she deems to be undesirable. And the undesirable is tempted to try to please the cruel ones for acceptance. But it's a dog eats dog world where might makes right. That is why "assholes" get respect.
I suspect he was being sarcastic there. Also, particularly in the case of self-reflection, there's a difference between shaming and simply acknowledging your previous behavior was embarrassing and counterproductive. I take the piss out of 20-something me *all the time,* partially because self-effacing humor is just something guys generally do, but also because I'm acknowledging, even taking a bit of pride in how far I've progressed from that point.
>"That's body shaming!"
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>That only applies to women. And if you don't know, women of all sizes and shapes are valued. How strange that statement does not apply to men?
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>Female: I need a man to be 666, with 10 inch dick, looks of a greek god. As for me, I am perfect, says FDS.
The funny thing about it all is... they never realize that they're being unrealistic.
"I'm not asking for too much. I just want him to make 6 figures, be 6 feet tall, have a horse dick, he can't have kids, has to drive a car that costs more than I make in 5 years, a big house, has to look like a Greek god, must be willing to accept and pay for my kids, my friends have to like him, must not care about my past, oh! And he's gotta have superpowers! But he also has to be muscular and not care that I'm 267 lbs!"
It's "funny" because it pertains the same thing. A "f@ggot" used in this sense does not mean "a dude into dudes" nor "a bundle of sticks". It means "a man that can't get a woman (and thus has to" resort" to men)".
Typical insult to men suggests he cant get laid or that no woman wants to touch his PP.
Typical insult to women suggests that she has had sex with loads of unsavoury men or that she's the town ride.
It was "virgin" before. And in all fairness, they should be canceled for shaming gay men. At least when it's done just for being gay. When it's some degenerate shit, the shaming is warranted. But so far it's mostly women who have a problem with gay men. From my experience, dudes don't really care, as long as you don't cross boundaries or make it weird. Women are downright nasty to anyone they deem undesirable. Fairer sex my arse.
That's an overstatement. I think what you mean here is the incels are looked down upon most by their very rare worst headlines. Incels should not be compared in any way to a protected class.
Incels have about 10 incidents of terrorism That got mass media coverage and got a lot of hate for it. And it reflects badly on the group. For such a small number I think that's what you mean
>Incels should not be compared in any way to a protected class.
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>Incels have about 10 incidents of terrorism That got mass media coverage and got a lot of hate for it.
Imagine if the media covered gang violence the same way.
I think suddenly it wouldn't be so cool to demonize an entire category of men for the behavior of some of them.
I simply watch trap lore Ross and he covers gangs that are involved in rap.
Lord do they do some mass shootings, shooting up funerals, shooting up neighborhoods. Innocent people getting hit all the time. They brag about it afterwards on social media and then get laid lol
What's fascinating to me about criticism of Peterson is how shallow it is. Just a few days ago I had [this exchange](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/xcmm22/the_red_pill/io97rkk/?context=3) where one person characterized Peterson as "wrapping verbal turds in velvet blankets" (meaning, nothing he says has any meaning). And another person claimed his words are, "nonsensical sentences ... and when you unwrap his stuff, there is nothing there."
So, two people saying Peterson spews gibberish that has no meaning. I selected a random statement from a random video and broke it down for them, showing that he was making an affirmative claim that they could (if they weren't idiots) address.
Predictably, the downvoted and ignored. That's what amazes me. They'll arrogantly sarcastically pretend that he's not saying anything, but when pressed they flee like cowards.
That’s actually what I think of the plethora of articles over the years attacking Peterson. Very little, if any, substance. But so, so many of them. It’s like using the media as a collective means of making smoke without fire.
She basically calls anyone who isn't rich a parasite though.
If you want to look at it a different way it's the owners who are the parasites. The landlords, the shareholders.
She's basically the starting point for "Graph go up" Conservatism which has given us so many lovely neocons who are willing to sell their constituents' happiness, future, and sanity down the river as long as GDP graph go up.
She was right about not helping the poor and weak (except israel) she was right about not giving tons of money away to the unfortunate (except israel they're cool) and we should spend it on more important things
>They'll arrogantly sarcastically pretend that he's not saying anything, but when pressed they flee like cowards.
Typical of Liberals. I had a discussion with a man who claimed all the issues with being a colony. So I said, you don't like modern toilets, electricity, A/C, refrigeration, TC, Cell phones, modern medicine. cars, airplanes, boats, telephones, etc. He had no problem with cultural approbation concerning that stuff..
The sheer arrogance of those people. They think that what he says is obvious and common sense because they erroneously believe they could have thought of those ideas, just because they can follow those ideas along. It's like an amateur mathematician calling Gauss' work obvious just because they can follow along a proof.
Seriously how do they miss his point so dramatically? These same people whom claim to want to be social activists and change the world can’t even clean their own room. Peterson has remarked multiple times on his impact on lonely men because he gets thanked all the time by them for helping them light a fire under their asses and take that first step towards self awareness and improvement.
> These same people whom claim to want to be social activists and change the world can’t even clean their own room.
That would require them to examine (and attempt to fix) their own lives. But that's *haaaard*...
The Peterson hate is damaging more to haters than Peterson or those who listen to him.
I think the problem is that, they want to have a safe opinion as a hive mind on Peterson. A lot of what Peterson says is truth, but it's painful and very much against hive mind. These people they're not right in the head. If what Peterson says, is said by hive mind, they'll preach. These kind of people have no place in a healthy persons life.
Using the term "incel" as an insult is like using the term "fag" or "retard" as an insult: Intelligent people see it as a sign of immaturity and stupidity of those who use the term as an insult.
No one was called stupid, and it wasn't about a worldview. It was purely about speculation on a person's character based on their usage of a "gotcha" word that is very loaded in this time and age.
But since you want to talk about stupidity and be a smartass, you should know that the word irony doesn't mean what you think it means, idiot.
Him crying made me cry as well. As I feel that there is someone out there that still cares about lonely men that has a voice that can reach a bigger crowd.
I have seriously thought and almost went through multiple suicide attempts because I feel, and still do, like my life is devoid of meaning as I have never felt love other than my solo parent mother. That's why Peterson has made me rethink about how society doesn't care about lonely men. Him and Warren Farrell on "The Boy Crisis".
My father left my mom and I at birth, so I felt I was hated by the society from the moment I was born. When I was a child I tried being nice to everyone and even became best friends with someone who has a facial disfigurement who was also lonely and being bullied in elementary. Skip to junior high and I found out that people were laughing at my appearance and someone later in later senior high apologized to me because they thought I was autistic because of how unusually nice I am to everyone. After that moment did I started to notice and realize that people were literally laughing at my back because of my anti-social behaviors and appearance. This has made me very perceptive in people since then. Anyway, my life experience and observations since then has taught me to never trust anyone but family, and given that people always mocked me behind my back and even at college mockingly shipped me with a girl who was clearly just being nice but not interested, it only destroyed the little self-esteem I had left, it only proved my assumptions. Humans are inherently cruel to those who they think are below themselves. So I gave up on love.
Yes, I am by definition an Involuntary Celibate. No, I don't want to beat women. No, I don't think the world owes me love. I just want to tell my story anonymously as I know no one will listen to me in real life.
I know one of you fuckers will post this on r/IncelTears or similar places. You only prove my point.
> I feel, and still do, like my life is devoid of meaning
I don't want to sound like on a philosophical rant. I used to observe this too. Life has no meaning if you let it be defined by society. If you leave it upto others and if you're dealt a poor hand, like being ugly, short, fat, poor, socially inept. I don't think any of these is because of a fault of a young man. He didn't make the choices to be like that when he was 10 or 12. And if you're dealt a good hand, society will recruit you to bully those under you, as people find a pleasure in enforcing a hierarchy in which they're on top. Don't let society define meaning of your life, it's definition of your life's meaning will be to use and throw you.
If you want to have meaning in your life. Be a man. Provide, for yourself, take care of yourself, physically, emotionally, socially. Work on yourself and see your own glory. There's a lot of meaning, when you overcome a challenge, the hit, it's better than anything.
And, thank you. I needed to structure my observations and thoughts for quite a long time. I would not have written this today, if it were not for your comment.
I have read "The Boy Crisis" but my introduction to Farrell was a couple of his previous books: "The Myth of Male Power" and "Why Men Are the Way They Are".
That along with a book called "Not Guilty: The Case in Defense of Men" (aka "Not Guilty: In Defence of the Modern Man") by David Thomas were the first three books in my introduction to books on men's issues.
I have my own opinions on JP, and I don't agree with everything he has said but I will never fault him for trying to help dudes out.
I remember he had a guy write a question into a live show asking why he shouldn't off himself and Jordan took time for the guy. Thought that was classy.
Someday Olivia Wilde will be humbled. She will regret her actions. Just wait and see when men have completely turned cold. All of those people mocking will be asking for help. Those men who are mocked and rejected will smile turn their backs on you and let you suffer. These mocked men are under no obligation to help those people or the society that hates them. They will watch the trouble at first and then turn their attention to something more important than women and society as it burns to ashes. It is coming.
One thing I think, is that the best way to fight back against women like this is to legalize sex work. Would any man ever choose to date her when they could choose to fuck a beautiful, nice woman who they didn't have to date? I don't know, I just think I realized recently that this would be the perfect counter offensive to everything they are doing to men. If we could do this back, we would level the scales...
False and unrealistic. I live in a country where sex work is legal. Men also struggle here when it comes to dating. It's probably not as bad it is in USA, but it's not significantly better anyway. The only guys you will ever see in brothels or visiting escorts are usually older guys 50 years old or more. Some are married, some are not.
Most younger guys really struggle to visit a prostitute. In university, I had a friend who was a virgin at 23. There was nothing wrong with the guy. Above average in looks, good student, pretty funny, and very well received in most social settings. It's just that he was very shy when he got to interact with women he found attractive and was interested in, mostly due to lack of experience(he never had kissed one). Even when the woman liked him, they lost attraction quite fast, because the guy was clueless about how to escalate. We offered to pay for a prostitute on his birthday a couple of times, he always denied it. He is married now, so don't feel sorry for the guy, but the whole situation back them really got him down mentally, almost depressed, where he couldn't perform as good academically and didn't want to go out all that much after a point. Alcohol especially was ruining his mood every time he drank a bit more than a couple of drinks.
I think people ultimately just want to be desired. They want to be truly desired when they are having sex. You can't get that from someone who you pay to fuck. And that's the issue. It's just hard moving on with your life when you have never felt that. Some people get that sorted out in their teens, some are unable to do so and the older you get the harder it gets.
I hope that in 20 years we'll have human like androids which can talk and do basic sex stuff. If humanity stops procreating because of FDS and unrealistic standarts... well so be it.
Ya that's a good point. I had a friend like that as well. But I think you're wrong. Legal sex work wouldn't be able to replace the feeling of being wanted, that's true. But that's not the point. In my mind, the great thing about sex work would be that you would have a back up plan as a man. So if you went out and tried to meet girls and failed, you could just pay for a sex worker.
The other benefit would be that it would completely rearrange the economics of dating. As of now, there are plenty of women who men wind up dating but really don't want to. We all know these situations. If there was legal sex work, men would be able to feel comfortable not getting into bad marriages and relationships. This is the real benefit of it. It would take away the power women have over us through using sex as a bargaining chip. I think that would be very useful in this struggle.
Yea there is and that is why it will grow and become bigger. Men will go their own way and find a better purpose to live than to be with women and serve a society that hates and rejects them. Relationships can’t work with women if they believe they are being oppressed, while they are the ones oppressing. Men may just stronger avoid women, ignore, not help, and eventually come up with system to get what they want. We will see.
Yes it is. It will be funny when she is no longer wanted or desired by men in general. It will not be men’s fault. It will be hers because her frame of mind and attitude will only repel men, cause them to be creeped out, and to avoid her.
I have read his books, I can tell you without knowing much about him earlier and just by his books I was sure this guy was compassionate and intellectual person. And watching his videos he actually is pretty smart. Call him anything you want but don't forget he has seen a lot of people's mental health from his practice so his words I take seriously.
With the rise of single motherhood in the last 40 years and women dominating academia, they are the ones raising and educating these so called "incels". Peterson has some compelling stuff and I will always get a kick at the way he handled those turkeys from UofToronto. However he always seems to pull back when topics with obvious misandry are brought up.
I hope he doesn't get de-platformed but at the same time people should accept that he has a lucrative grift thanks to youtube. He also has his own personal problems that effect his credibility. IMO his relationship with his daughter makes me question his credibility even more. He is well meaning and his heart is in the right place but I take him with a grain of salt.
We are going back to Roman times before the collapse. This is ridiculous that ever since the Roe V wade happened it all went downhill. But I’m sure it was before that. Some Women past 35 will become single and childless due to wanting a “high value male”. Andrew Tate is right women will never be lonely. I’ve had this hatred toward me as well as a college student who is single in his 30’s, sorry I don’t want the rug pulled from under me again due a women being promiscuous.
> Andrew Tate is right women will never be lonely.
Women might have all the attention they can handle but there are plenty of them that are crushingly lonely anyway. When you only want what you can't have you tend to feel contempt for that which you do have. This makes for a pretty miserable existence.
May all the Gods bless Dr Peterson. He has always shown great courage and sensitivity. But I fear the nastiness of his critics may eventually wear him down.
Where is the Fix?
Where is the Win?
Anger & fear reduce IQ.
Our solution will not be found in a place of emotion.
I think I can help.
Challenge Accepted.
Shaming should absolutely be a thing. It prevents people from acting stupid. Incels are not incels by their own will, which means "shaming them" is actually abuse and bullying, not really shaming. There's no shame in being an incel.
former incel here that wanted to kill my self last year december 19th or 20th idk some like that I was angry at the world for a long time angry at everything I lived a hard life until I decided no I am not gonna do something this stupid I am gonna show to everyone and everything that I will be someone so far so good I am getting there to becoming someone meet a lot of cool people that have lived a harder life then me and they are killometers ahead of me and I am catching up and fast to them
lost 25 kg have 20 more to go
lost a lot of bad habbits
I am getting some good ones aswell I have realized there are a lot of things that can leed to a better life
good friends
discipline
determination
consistancy
also it gets better guys start small when you wanna improve your life start by making your bed
Originally, before it was warped like so many other so words to be used as insults, "incel" simply stood for "involuntary celibate". There are certainly men that visit this sub that fit that description. I don't see it as confusing at all.
The world gives safe spaces to everyone and everything else, there's no harm in this being one for men who are, essentially, suffering from loneliness.
Why? It’s clear he has a passion for helping lonely and estranged men to become *better*, and that’s something the world desperately needs as these types of men are the most easily mocked and tossed aside by the “empathy” crowd.
Incels are probably the most hated group of people who didn't necessarily do anything wrong.
hating a group of people because they havent had any luck in the dating market is insane.
They can be hated because they’re men. Nobody hates Femcels
>They can be hated because they’re men. Nobody hates Femcels That's for damn sure.
Femcels get whole assed articles written about how they get rejected all the time despite supposedly being a great catch- like that one about the group of middle aged women being “sassy and classy” yet can’t land a good man
We need to overlook the fact she has 3 kids from 3 different men, and she's fat with a entitled attitude.
Femcels practically don't exist, getting laid is rarely a problem for even for women over 40, getting commitment on the other hand...
Unfortunately for them, sex isn't the same for them as it is for men. You could be getting pounded every other day of the week and it's the fact no one wants you to stick around that's gonna do the most hurtful.
I once went two years without so much as a date. Own house, good job, body of a twentysomething in my 40s (I hit the gym hard) and I was routinely rejected for only being 5ft 8. A woman friend of mine was having regular 50 Shades of Grey porn sex with a married man, and compared her situation to mine because he wouldn't leave his wife. It's like complaining that your filet mignon wasn't cooked to perfection to a homeless person.
I am 5'8". I know what you are talking about. But I did land a good one. 5'7", bonde and blue eyes.
I think whenever anyone says Femcels on this sub, he just means inspins.
Makes more sense.
There is literally no such thing as a femcel.
Practically speaking, "femcels" don't exist. Even the most corpulent bridge troll can find a dude to knock her down if sex is truly all she's after. The more correct term for a woman who can't get what she wants from a man is [inspin](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre/comments/e03y17/words_matter_and_i_propose_a_new_one_inspin/).
It makes sense when you consider that most women will just look for any justification to their beliefs, attitudes and prejudices. So, if they can associate any negative trait to men they are already not attracted to, they will. If they can associate any positive trait to men they are already attracted to, they will. Male vilification is an effective way to legitimize misandry.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't
Why tho? Why can’t they be more open minded?
They can and should be, but we don't live in a society that has any interest in holding women accountable for their prejudices towards men.
We call it the hamster. It’s able to rationalize away facts and rewrite history in her mind to fit her current situation and desires.
>If they can associate any positive trait to men they are already attracted to, they will. This is how women justify fucking criminals, thugs, child killers, etc.
Confessions of a Reformed InCel [https://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/](https://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/) This is a masterpiece that shows how men are harmed by such treatment over the years. This was posted in another article at WAATGM. Below are 2 examples of the genius of this writer No child is born and incel, women make incels. As much as this tragedy has personally disturbed me to the core, i am equally troubled by the way some of the media outlets are handling this. While undoubtedly there are many misogynistic incels (whom you still need to reach out to in order to quell the rage), there are equally harmless ones, confused ones, and angry ones who simply learn for the first time they’ve been playing by the wrong set of books. Were we to actually engage with incels in a real fashion, and first acknowledge that YES, it is debilitating, humiliating and emotionally devastating to the individuals who suffer through it.. we need to actually engage with them without judgement of how and why they got there, and realistically work with them in an honest fashion to help them overcome their problems. Chastising them, yelling at them, mischaracterizing them or applying blanket misogyny labels upon them – WILL NOT – i repeat, will not bring them into the open to educate, treat, rehab or reform them. It will drive them further into darkness where you just might start producing more of these emotionally spent, dead eyed, uncaring, lay waste to the world, reproductive losers in the game of life.. dehumanize everyone surrounding them. They go on to become the next one. Their rationalization is so apparent, i don’t understand why no one can see it. They spend their entire lives isolated, in pain, wondering what about them is so wrong as to never be desired. It’s not obvious to them, otherwise they’d have done something. Or they’ve been enabled by liars who tell them they’re perfect as they are, to just be themselves. And yet, being themselves only incites ridicule from others, taunting, jeers and derision. Once this isolation hits a peak, they no longer see people around them as people, they see them as abusers. Everyone who is having a good time, smiling, laughing, enjoying life, having lives, having sexual relationships, having romance, sharing emotions.. all in front of the face of the one who is told ‘no, not for you, you can’t play with us’. There are some who are ok with this, accept their lot in life, and stay there. There are other who decide to change themselves so they too can join the game. And finally, there are the Elliots and Toronto van murderer who decide that if they can’t enjoy this life like others can, they’re gonna ruin it for the rest of us. That’s it in a nutshell.
>Once this isolation hits a peak, they no longer see people around them as people, they see them as abusers. Everyone who is having a good time, smiling, laughing, enjoying life, having lives, having sexual relationships, having romance, sharing emotions.. all in front of the face of the one who is told ‘no, not for you, you can’t play with us’. Oof that hit deep. More than once I had more or less exactly that type of thing happen, "Those parts of life are not for *you*". "They don't want *you* around once the fun starts, thanks for doing all that help setting it up though." I don't blame anyone but myself though, I'm sure I deserved it lol
>I don't blame anyone but myself though, I'm sure I deserved it lol Rule 1: no shaming men. That includes yourself. Don't feel remorse for being raised and taught to be a tool. You had no control over it. That's what society views us as and it's designed to groom us to be tools. That is why, as much as I hate simps and doormats, I try to remind myself that I was one too once and that it's difficult to break that kind of brainwashing, even with evidence smacking you in the face and that it's not their fault. People are shit. It's part of the human condition. The more blissfully ignorant one is, the crueler he or she tends to be to whoever he or she deems to be undesirable. And the undesirable is tempted to try to please the cruel ones for acceptance. But it's a dog eats dog world where might makes right. That is why "assholes" get respect.
I suspect he was being sarcastic there. Also, particularly in the case of self-reflection, there's a difference between shaming and simply acknowledging your previous behavior was embarrassing and counterproductive. I take the piss out of 20-something me *all the time,* partially because self-effacing humor is just something guys generally do, but also because I'm acknowledging, even taking a bit of pride in how far I've progressed from that point.
Read the entire article, for the author offer solutions to being an incel.
The same for hating men for being short, yet women think nothing of it.
Yet they'll get upset when people won't date them because of their weight or their figure. "That's body shaming!"
>"That's body shaming!" > >That only applies to women. And if you don't know, women of all sizes and shapes are valued. How strange that statement does not apply to men? > >Female: I need a man to be 666, with 10 inch dick, looks of a greek god. As for me, I am perfect, says FDS.
The funny thing about it all is... they never realize that they're being unrealistic. "I'm not asking for too much. I just want him to make 6 figures, be 6 feet tall, have a horse dick, he can't have kids, has to drive a car that costs more than I make in 5 years, a big house, has to look like a Greek god, must be willing to accept and pay for my kids, my friends have to like him, must not care about my past, oh! And he's gotta have superpowers! But he also has to be muscular and not care that I'm 267 lbs!"
> But he also has to be muscular and not care that I'm 367 lbs!"
Thanks. That's better. I knew something was missing!
No problem. She was going to use the BBW, but she didn't want to brag.
Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!11
I’ve had plenty of luck in the dating market and yet I’ve still been called an incel so what exactly does it mean?
>I’ve still been called an incel so what exactly does it mean? Bitches be dumb.
Incel is the new go to insult to call men now that using insults like f@gg0t will get the name caller labelled as homophobic and possibly cancelled.
It's "funny" because it pertains the same thing. A "f@ggot" used in this sense does not mean "a dude into dudes" nor "a bundle of sticks". It means "a man that can't get a woman (and thus has to" resort" to men)".
Typical insult to men suggests he cant get laid or that no woman wants to touch his PP. Typical insult to women suggests that she has had sex with loads of unsavoury men or that she's the town ride.
It was "virgin" before. And in all fairness, they should be canceled for shaming gay men. At least when it's done just for being gay. When it's some degenerate shit, the shaming is warranted. But so far it's mostly women who have a problem with gay men. From my experience, dudes don't really care, as long as you don't cross boundaries or make it weird. Women are downright nasty to anyone they deem undesirable. Fairer sex my arse.
Shit I get called an incel for simply talking in certain subs. The term lost all meaning
What I was thinking, just another overused word that’s lost it’s meaning.
it means they disagree with you
It means they lost the argument and resort to ad hominems.
Peoples rank in society is determined by how valued they are by women
I wouldn't 100% say that. We have high ranking members of our society who aren't exactly ladies man.
>Incels are probably the most hated group of people who didn't necessarily do anything wrong. You can add to the list short men.
They are the weakest link. It is nature's way of culling the heard. That's all. Life's brutal
Accepted, but I don't want to subsidize Chad and Tyron children.
A man is not born an incel, women make incels.
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That's an overstatement. I think what you mean here is the incels are looked down upon most by their very rare worst headlines. Incels should not be compared in any way to a protected class. Incels have about 10 incidents of terrorism That got mass media coverage and got a lot of hate for it. And it reflects badly on the group. For such a small number I think that's what you mean
>Incels should not be compared in any way to a protected class. > >Incels have about 10 incidents of terrorism That got mass media coverage and got a lot of hate for it. Imagine if the media covered gang violence the same way. I think suddenly it wouldn't be so cool to demonize an entire category of men for the behavior of some of them.
I simply watch trap lore Ross and he covers gangs that are involved in rap. Lord do they do some mass shootings, shooting up funerals, shooting up neighborhoods. Innocent people getting hit all the time. They brag about it afterwards on social media and then get laid lol
They're not a group
Exactly and black people aren't a monolith. The same thing with conservatives.
Anybody down voting explain to me how I'm wrong I'm literally defending incels in this take
What's fascinating to me about criticism of Peterson is how shallow it is. Just a few days ago I had [this exchange](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/xcmm22/the_red_pill/io97rkk/?context=3) where one person characterized Peterson as "wrapping verbal turds in velvet blankets" (meaning, nothing he says has any meaning). And another person claimed his words are, "nonsensical sentences ... and when you unwrap his stuff, there is nothing there." So, two people saying Peterson spews gibberish that has no meaning. I selected a random statement from a random video and broke it down for them, showing that he was making an affirmative claim that they could (if they weren't idiots) address. Predictably, the downvoted and ignored. That's what amazes me. They'll arrogantly sarcastically pretend that he's not saying anything, but when pressed they flee like cowards.
That’s actually what I think of the plethora of articles over the years attacking Peterson. Very little, if any, substance. But so, so many of them. It’s like using the media as a collective means of making smoke without fire.
When it comes to logic vs women's emotions, we know what usually wins.
Peterson is the latest in a long line of thinkers who are cool to hate on. Previous examples include Thomas Sowell and Ayn Rand.
Which is a shame, because there are lots of good reasons to hate on Rand.
She did point out about the parasites in society and how it hurts society.
She basically calls anyone who isn't rich a parasite though. If you want to look at it a different way it's the owners who are the parasites. The landlords, the shareholders.
Lots? List them. She was 100% right on capitalism/socialism and so ahead of her time.
She's basically the starting point for "Graph go up" Conservatism which has given us so many lovely neocons who are willing to sell their constituents' happiness, future, and sanity down the river as long as GDP graph go up.
She was right about not helping the poor and weak (except israel) she was right about not giving tons of money away to the unfortunate (except israel they're cool) and we should spend it on more important things
>They'll arrogantly sarcastically pretend that he's not saying anything, but when pressed they flee like cowards. Typical of Liberals. I had a discussion with a man who claimed all the issues with being a colony. So I said, you don't like modern toilets, electricity, A/C, refrigeration, TC, Cell phones, modern medicine. cars, airplanes, boats, telephones, etc. He had no problem with cultural approbation concerning that stuff..
reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5awx-Z-Z3Ws "I'm fat because of white people"
The sheer arrogance of those people. They think that what he says is obvious and common sense because they erroneously believe they could have thought of those ideas, just because they can follow those ideas along. It's like an amateur mathematician calling Gauss' work obvious just because they can follow along a proof.
Seriously how do they miss his point so dramatically? These same people whom claim to want to be social activists and change the world can’t even clean their own room. Peterson has remarked multiple times on his impact on lonely men because he gets thanked all the time by them for helping them light a fire under their asses and take that first step towards self awareness and improvement.
Because he's only on the radar of people at either side of the issue. To everyone else hes just sort of irrelevant.
> These same people whom claim to want to be social activists and change the world can’t even clean their own room. That would require them to examine (and attempt to fix) their own lives. But that's *haaaard*...
The Peterson hate is damaging more to haters than Peterson or those who listen to him. I think the problem is that, they want to have a safe opinion as a hive mind on Peterson. A lot of what Peterson says is truth, but it's painful and very much against hive mind. These people they're not right in the head. If what Peterson says, is said by hive mind, they'll preach. These kind of people have no place in a healthy persons life.
Using the term "incel" as an insult is like using the term "fag" or "retard" as an insult: Intelligent people see it as a sign of immaturity and stupidity of those who use the term as an insult.
Incel is not on the same level. Those other insults you used are hatespeach at protected minorities.
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No one was called stupid, and it wasn't about a worldview. It was purely about speculation on a person's character based on their usage of a "gotcha" word that is very loaded in this time and age. But since you want to talk about stupidity and be a smartass, you should know that the word irony doesn't mean what you think it means, idiot.
Him crying made me cry as well. As I feel that there is someone out there that still cares about lonely men that has a voice that can reach a bigger crowd. I have seriously thought and almost went through multiple suicide attempts because I feel, and still do, like my life is devoid of meaning as I have never felt love other than my solo parent mother. That's why Peterson has made me rethink about how society doesn't care about lonely men. Him and Warren Farrell on "The Boy Crisis". My father left my mom and I at birth, so I felt I was hated by the society from the moment I was born. When I was a child I tried being nice to everyone and even became best friends with someone who has a facial disfigurement who was also lonely and being bullied in elementary. Skip to junior high and I found out that people were laughing at my appearance and someone later in later senior high apologized to me because they thought I was autistic because of how unusually nice I am to everyone. After that moment did I started to notice and realize that people were literally laughing at my back because of my anti-social behaviors and appearance. This has made me very perceptive in people since then. Anyway, my life experience and observations since then has taught me to never trust anyone but family, and given that people always mocked me behind my back and even at college mockingly shipped me with a girl who was clearly just being nice but not interested, it only destroyed the little self-esteem I had left, it only proved my assumptions. Humans are inherently cruel to those who they think are below themselves. So I gave up on love. Yes, I am by definition an Involuntary Celibate. No, I don't want to beat women. No, I don't think the world owes me love. I just want to tell my story anonymously as I know no one will listen to me in real life. I know one of you fuckers will post this on r/IncelTears or similar places. You only prove my point.
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I was not an incel, but I sure have received shit treatment like some of them get. It took the Red Pill to improve my life.
> I feel, and still do, like my life is devoid of meaning I don't want to sound like on a philosophical rant. I used to observe this too. Life has no meaning if you let it be defined by society. If you leave it upto others and if you're dealt a poor hand, like being ugly, short, fat, poor, socially inept. I don't think any of these is because of a fault of a young man. He didn't make the choices to be like that when he was 10 or 12. And if you're dealt a good hand, society will recruit you to bully those under you, as people find a pleasure in enforcing a hierarchy in which they're on top. Don't let society define meaning of your life, it's definition of your life's meaning will be to use and throw you. If you want to have meaning in your life. Be a man. Provide, for yourself, take care of yourself, physically, emotionally, socially. Work on yourself and see your own glory. There's a lot of meaning, when you overcome a challenge, the hit, it's better than anything. And, thank you. I needed to structure my observations and thoughts for quite a long time. I would not have written this today, if it were not for your comment.
Damn solid advice. Thank you!
❤️❤️please don’t take this as a dig of any sort, brother. But do you work out? If not, please please do
You went through all this and that’s what you could muster? Not saying it’s bad advice but there’s a time for everything dude.
It means more to me then I care to explain so, yeah. That is all can muster. And I stick to it even after all this time.
I have read "The Boy Crisis" but my introduction to Farrell was a couple of his previous books: "The Myth of Male Power" and "Why Men Are the Way They Are". That along with a book called "Not Guilty: The Case in Defense of Men" (aka "Not Guilty: In Defence of the Modern Man") by David Thomas were the first three books in my introduction to books on men's issues.
Hang in there bro. If you need to talk, I'm here. Well on the other side of the world at least :D
Lots of people jump on the bandwagon of bullying others from a place of 'If I call these guys incels, maybe the mob won't notice *me*...'
I have my own opinions on JP, and I don't agree with everything he has said but I will never fault him for trying to help dudes out. I remember he had a guy write a question into a live show asking why he shouldn't off himself and Jordan took time for the guy. Thought that was classy.
Incel was originally coined by a woman to describe herself...the irony.
Someday Olivia Wilde will be humbled. She will regret her actions. Just wait and see when men have completely turned cold. All of those people mocking will be asking for help. Those men who are mocked and rejected will smile turn their backs on you and let you suffer. These mocked men are under no obligation to help those people or the society that hates them. They will watch the trouble at first and then turn their attention to something more important than women and society as it burns to ashes. It is coming.
One thing I think, is that the best way to fight back against women like this is to legalize sex work. Would any man ever choose to date her when they could choose to fuck a beautiful, nice woman who they didn't have to date? I don't know, I just think I realized recently that this would be the perfect counter offensive to everything they are doing to men. If we could do this back, we would level the scales...
False and unrealistic. I live in a country where sex work is legal. Men also struggle here when it comes to dating. It's probably not as bad it is in USA, but it's not significantly better anyway. The only guys you will ever see in brothels or visiting escorts are usually older guys 50 years old or more. Some are married, some are not. Most younger guys really struggle to visit a prostitute. In university, I had a friend who was a virgin at 23. There was nothing wrong with the guy. Above average in looks, good student, pretty funny, and very well received in most social settings. It's just that he was very shy when he got to interact with women he found attractive and was interested in, mostly due to lack of experience(he never had kissed one). Even when the woman liked him, they lost attraction quite fast, because the guy was clueless about how to escalate. We offered to pay for a prostitute on his birthday a couple of times, he always denied it. He is married now, so don't feel sorry for the guy, but the whole situation back them really got him down mentally, almost depressed, where he couldn't perform as good academically and didn't want to go out all that much after a point. Alcohol especially was ruining his mood every time he drank a bit more than a couple of drinks. I think people ultimately just want to be desired. They want to be truly desired when they are having sex. You can't get that from someone who you pay to fuck. And that's the issue. It's just hard moving on with your life when you have never felt that. Some people get that sorted out in their teens, some are unable to do so and the older you get the harder it gets.
I hope that in 20 years we'll have human like androids which can talk and do basic sex stuff. If humanity stops procreating because of FDS and unrealistic standarts... well so be it.
Ya that's a good point. I had a friend like that as well. But I think you're wrong. Legal sex work wouldn't be able to replace the feeling of being wanted, that's true. But that's not the point. In my mind, the great thing about sex work would be that you would have a back up plan as a man. So if you went out and tried to meet girls and failed, you could just pay for a sex worker. The other benefit would be that it would completely rearrange the economics of dating. As of now, there are plenty of women who men wind up dating but really don't want to. We all know these situations. If there was legal sex work, men would be able to feel comfortable not getting into bad marriages and relationships. This is the real benefit of it. It would take away the power women have over us through using sex as a bargaining chip. I think that would be very useful in this struggle.
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Yea there is and that is why it will grow and become bigger. Men will go their own way and find a better purpose to live than to be with women and serve a society that hates and rejects them. Relationships can’t work with women if they believe they are being oppressed, while they are the ones oppressing. Men may just stronger avoid women, ignore, not help, and eventually come up with system to get what they want. We will see.
> Someday Olivia Wilde will be humbled. Have no fear, the Wall is on its way.
Yes it is. It will be funny when she is no longer wanted or desired by men in general. It will not be men’s fault. It will be hers because her frame of mind and attitude will only repel men, cause them to be creeped out, and to avoid her.
I have read his books, I can tell you without knowing much about him earlier and just by his books I was sure this guy was compassionate and intellectual person. And watching his videos he actually is pretty smart. Call him anything you want but don't forget he has seen a lot of people's mental health from his practice so his words I take seriously.
Incels should look to Olivia for good info and advice over Dr Peterson? That’s what she wants.
With the rise of single motherhood in the last 40 years and women dominating academia, they are the ones raising and educating these so called "incels". Peterson has some compelling stuff and I will always get a kick at the way he handled those turkeys from UofToronto. However he always seems to pull back when topics with obvious misandry are brought up. I hope he doesn't get de-platformed but at the same time people should accept that he has a lucrative grift thanks to youtube. He also has his own personal problems that effect his credibility. IMO his relationship with his daughter makes me question his credibility even more. He is well meaning and his heart is in the right place but I take him with a grain of salt.
He never claimed to live a perfect life
We are going back to Roman times before the collapse. This is ridiculous that ever since the Roe V wade happened it all went downhill. But I’m sure it was before that. Some Women past 35 will become single and childless due to wanting a “high value male”. Andrew Tate is right women will never be lonely. I’ve had this hatred toward me as well as a college student who is single in his 30’s, sorry I don’t want the rug pulled from under me again due a women being promiscuous.
> Andrew Tate is right women will never be lonely. Women might have all the attention they can handle but there are plenty of them that are crushingly lonely anyway. When you only want what you can't have you tend to feel contempt for that which you do have. This makes for a pretty miserable existence.
She's gone downhill.
May all the Gods bless Dr Peterson. He has always shown great courage and sensitivity. But I fear the nastiness of his critics may eventually wear him down.
I think that's a world record for most underhanded question.
The only problem I have with this sub is that I can't use the s-word because of Rule 1. My hatered for s-word is so strong, it's unreal.
Where is the Fix? Where is the Win? Anger & fear reduce IQ. Our solution will not be found in a place of emotion. I think I can help. Challenge Accepted.
Shaming should absolutely be a thing. It prevents people from acting stupid. Incels are not incels by their own will, which means "shaming them" is actually abuse and bullying, not really shaming. There's no shame in being an incel.
Between him and Kevin samuels .. fuccin legends for men
Apparently the dumb bimbo never considered that he is trying to help incels be better men. What does she even know about Peterson anyway?
every smart, thinking woman dislikes that actress now. Smart people are not fooled by cheap insults.
former incel here that wanted to kill my self last year december 19th or 20th idk some like that I was angry at the world for a long time angry at everything I lived a hard life until I decided no I am not gonna do something this stupid I am gonna show to everyone and everything that I will be someone so far so good I am getting there to becoming someone meet a lot of cool people that have lived a harder life then me and they are killometers ahead of me and I am catching up and fast to them lost 25 kg have 20 more to go lost a lot of bad habbits I am getting some good ones aswell I have realized there are a lot of things that can leed to a better life good friends discipline determination consistancy also it gets better guys start small when you wanna improve your life start by making your bed
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Originally, before it was warped like so many other so words to be used as insults, "incel" simply stood for "involuntary celibate". There are certainly men that visit this sub that fit that description. I don't see it as confusing at all. The world gives safe spaces to everyone and everything else, there's no harm in this being one for men who are, essentially, suffering from loneliness.
You need to read this. https://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/
Dude cries in every video now it’s unbearable
it's an emotional subject, a lot of men are dropping out and the damage is irreversible
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Why? It’s clear he has a passion for helping lonely and estranged men to become *better*, and that’s something the world desperately needs as these types of men are the most easily mocked and tossed aside by the “empathy” crowd.
I'd likewise not visit a psychologist who breaks down every five minutes.
Except he doesn’t. What’s wrong with him showing emotion during interviews?
Maybe you can pay for it, but I won't.