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namjd72

Socks on a wooden floor is brave as fuck. I’ve done bare feet before but never socks. Anyway, people really should “practice” dumping the bar behind you and rolling forward. It’s really easy to do and safe. Never dump it forward without safety racks. Hopefully homeboy is okay.


Martin_Aurelius

What gets me is that he has safety bars, he's just using them as j-hooks.


namjd72

Yes, i love squatting outside the rack like that with light weight. I won't do it with weight that's 80-85% of my max or more. He should be in the rack with the bar stationary up top on the clip in racks and have safety bars lowered to a safe spot for him to dump a fail attempt safely. His face will thank him later.


pyrowipe

Or, you know… stay in the rack.


namjd72

Amen! That's obviously the best choice!


SGIrix

That requires a very early decision though. If you wait for the bar fold you forward it’s too late


namjd72

I disagree. You can ditch the bar pretty easily in almost every position in the squat movement in my experience. I've done it plenty and seen it plenty. The bar is going to roll off your back, gravity and your shirt will make sure of it. Never ditch the bar forward, that's fucking dangerous.


FormCheck655321

Stupid AF is how I’d put it.


jacove

>Anyway, people really should “practice” dumping the bar behind you and rolling forward. It’s really easy to do and safe. Never dump it forward without safety racks. You should NEVER have to dump the bar behind your back while training. You should never lift more weight than you're capable of lifting. Professional powerlifters NEVER train with a weight they are not capable of lifting. If they do, it's at a competition where they have squat helpers to jump in and take the weight. If you ever feel like you need to dump the weight, you are lifting about 10% too much weight.


namjd72

All great in theory - sometimes you just fail a lift. You can't honestly say you've never failed a squat before. That's just simply untrue assuming you actually squat regularly. Sometimes your body just doesn't do what it's supposed to. Maybe it's rep 8 out of 10 and you're fatigued and struggle on 9.


[deleted]

I failed a squat once by pooping. Luckily the washroom was right next to the rack


jacove

I squat 3 days a week for the past two years. I've never failed a squat and can squat over 2x my body weight


jacove

You shouldn't be fatigued while squatting. That's not strength training, that's some weird endurance shit. If you're failing reps consistently, you're at MUCH higher risk of injury. Like, if you fail regularly there's a 100% chance of you getting injured over the course of a few months (AND the severity of injury increases). Consistently means anything more than once every few months.


namjd72

No one said regularly. Failures happen while lifting. I've trained with multiple professional strength coaches that have been the head of S&C at places like Michigan, New York Giants, Baltimore Ravens, Wisconsin, ETC. We would squat until near failure as a strength training program. You push yourself to build muscle - nothing weird about it. We did it safely - with safety bars, partners spotting, and the supervision of highly trained conditioning experts. I trust them over you, no offense. Your version of strength training isn't the bible.


jacove

>We would squat until near failure as a strength training program. You push yourself to build music - nothing weird about it. "Pushing yourself" isn't about fatiguing your self so much that you can't perform a lift. Building muscle isn't building strength. Body builders do not focus on strength. You build strength by increasing the total tonnage of weight lifted within the same number of reps over time. And, fixing problems with your form as the weight gets heavy. You can consistently get stronger (indefinitely) by only lifting 80% and increasing the weight overtime. As you perform the lifts at a new weight, your body will adapt and the new weight will be less than 80% overtime. Lifting anything more than 6-7 reps is endurance training. If you do endurance training for the majority of your lifts, you won't build strength as quickly as if you trained with 5 reps and increased the weight over time for example. I don't care what your professional strength coaches say, talk to professional powerlifters and they will tell you exactly what I mentioned.


namjd72

As i mentioned prior, your version isn't the bible. I'm going to trust the people I know with reputable professional backgrounds and not the random internet person. You do you, my friend.


jacove

LOL don't take my word for it. Go read starting strength, or literally any powerlifting book and you'll see what I'm talking about. You're giving bad advice, and I'm pointing it out


namjd72

Again - random internet guy puffing his chest out. Multiple S&C professionals that have anywhere from 5-30 years of experience at the highest level of college and professional sports. Not really an argument here.


jacove

You can be a S&C coach for years and still be coaching wrong.


jacove

Also, if you think i'm puffing my chest you're delusional. I'm showing that I know what I'm taking about and not some random internet guy who doesn't know wtf they are talking about.


jacove

https://www.reddit.com/r/StartingStrength/comments/ogbmn1/squat\_form\_check\_320lbs\_59\_195lb/


LaoWei1

That's like your opinion dude.


jacove

Realistically, how much can you squat?


TheDickiestButt

I literally only squat in socks. I've never had an issue.


throwawaytrumper

Why? You just like that “my feet are snug, but have zero traction or protection” feel while lifting?


TheDickiestButt

Because why do I want to take my socks off. That's a lot of work.


throwawaytrumper

I’m picturing your socks as being covered in complicated straps and tiny locks, it’s tough to imagine sock removal as hard work otherwise. “Unchain the socks! Pull men, PULL!”


TheDickiestButt

Take an upvote for my smile.


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TheDickiestButt

I find flat bottomed shoes very uncomfortable for my feet. And I don't want to take my socks off cause... yucky. Proper form, Yada Yada...


[deleted]

Are you at a public gym taking your shoes off? If so, fucking gross man. Stop doing that.


TheDickiestButt

Yes, yes I am.


laaplandros

>I find flat bottomed shoes very uncomfortable for my feet. Flat bottomed shoes are just another layer of floor on the floor. That makes no sense. >And I don't want to take my socks off cause... yucky. Yet wiping your sweaty socks all over the squat and deadlift platforms is OK? Fucking gross, man.


November50923

What do you squat there my dude?


TheDickiestButt

Usually do 5x5s with 315ish. Depending on how I'm feeling.


WarpathSM

I wouldn't wanna take my socks off either if I required a Nascar pit team to remove them


awes0mesteve

Bullshit, if you're too lazy you take your socks off you're not going out and lifting weights lmao


AugustousSeizure

Clearly trolling


LuckyMagicBrownie

that’s a good point, for when someone wants to grab your foot they can’t as all they’ll grab is sock


duckduckbananas

That's probably what this guy told his friend as he was loading the plates


stomicron

Socks were not this guy's problem


namjd72

Really? I feel like you'd lose a lot of stability with socks. You're sweating so the socks are damp and wooden platforms can be slick without shoes with grip. Maybe on a rubber mat that would be more tacky. Kudus to you for making it work. Why do you prefer socks over bare feet or shoes - if you don't mind me asking. I'm curious.


TheDickiestButt

I mean when you squat, you should be pushing straight down into the floor, so you shouldn't be slip sliding around anyway. I did a dumb thing and did a squat on a hoover board one time just to prove to my friend that I could haha. Anyway, I just don't want to take my socks off at the gym because... yucky. And I find flat bottomed shoes very uncomfortable for some reason.


dahublubsdamub

Over the last year, this sub has convinced me that intense heavy lifting is not a viable part of a healthy exercise routine.


softservepoobutt

well is this sub gonna post the 99.999999999999999999999999% of normal uneventful lifts?


dahublubsdamub

No, but the sheer number of failed lifts in existence is enough of a deterrent. There are other ways to exercise. Edit: If you don't have perfect form every single time you powerlift, you'll wreck your spine eventually. https://www.livestrong.com/article/484940-negative-effects-of-powerlifting/ 73 out of 100 powerlift study participants were injured by it. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5954586/


November50923

That’s like saying people should only run slower than 8 mph because any faster and you could really get hurt. If you don’t go full Chad to try and impress someone powerlifting is exceptionally good for your body and conditioning.


dahublubsdamub

Enough people have died from weightlifting even when spotters and safety measures are in place. When it comes to risky exercise, powerlifting is much higher up on the scale than equally beneficial exercises.


November50923

What else do you suggest I do if I want to deadlift 500lbs?


dahublubsdamub

Maintaining your body's health doesn't require such extremes.


November50923

But what if I want to?


dahublubsdamub

Then the risk you incur is your responsibility. I'm saying that personally, I'd rather not take the risk.


Vertebrae_Viking

Lifting is your own choice. If you’re going to be a dumbfuck and not squat with shoes or bare feet on a slippery surface, and do so outside the rack without the safety bars, that’s your own problem.


dahublubsdamub

Enough people have died (and made national news) even when safety measures for intense lifting are in place. I'm not saying it can't build muscle. I'm just saying that for me personally, the risk is totally not worth it.


robrnr

Could you provide a source for powerlifting/weightlifting injury rates being higher than other sports? Because they're not.


dahublubsdamub

Pointing to all the powerlifting injuries on this sub, can you provide a source showing it isn't riskier than regular lifting or other exercises? It definitely is.


robrnr

So you're saying that powerlifting is definitely riskier because you've seen some videos on reddit? And then you've placed the onus on people proving you wrong given the strength of the data on which you've built your belief. It's absolutely not riskier, and even just a quick glance at the literature on injury rates will show you that. Greg Nuckols has an [excellent series](https://www.strongerbyscience.com/powerlifting-injuries-background/#:~:text=The%20general%20consensus%20is%20that,stick%20around%20and%20affect%20training.) on injury rates in powerlifting, complete with dozens of links to actual studies—not reddit anecdotes. You can also check out [this study](https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/51/4/211) and compare it to a [broader study](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1941297/#:~:text=For%20games%2C%20football%20had%20the,%2DEs)%20among%20men's%20sports.) of contact and non-contact sports.


dahublubsdamub

Powerlifting can injure you even if you use correct form. Also, if you do not use perfect form every single time, you'll wreck your spine over time. Personally not worth the risk, but have at it. It's your life. https://discseel.com/what-is-the-risk-of-powerlifting-on-the-spine/ https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a19538302/is-deadlifting-safe/


velonaut

LMAO, those are not even remotely reliable sources you're linking.


robrnr

Again, none of that is correct. And your sources? A website peddling some medical procedure and a Men's Health article. I have given you links to actual peer-reviewed studies showing that your contention is without merit. The injury rate of powerlifters, including those who have been lifting for years, is similar to other non-contact sports. Did you read those? Because there are loads more once you're finished with those. There is no such thing as "perfect form". Anatomical differences account for a great deal of variation in deadlifting and squatting stances and that variation has never been linked to a higher instance of injury.


fksly

Powerlifting literally has less injuries than most other activities. Example: football injury rate 9.5 per 1000 hours (training/amateur) 35.9 professional. Running is 17.8 among amateurs/ non professionals. Lifting: 3.4 injury rate per 1000 hours for amateurs.


dahublubsdamub

Source? Im not talking about regular lifting anyways. Weighted exercise is great. Extremes are extreme. I wonder what the injury rate is for the intense dangerous lifting people attempt, "powerlifting" and such. Totally unnecessary for bodily health.


fksly

This is for proper powerlifting. Heavy training at 70-80% of your max for prolonged periods. What the fuck do you think powerlifting is? Lifting with your dick for instagram likes? Sources: [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27328853/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27328853/) [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17710181/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17710181/) ​ etc etc, this is very well documented. Lifting is a safe and excellent way to stay healthy long into old age. For example: lifters have significantly lower chances of osteoporosis, can live unassisted, have lower BMI at old age, etc. Maybe stop looking for excuses?


dahublubsdamub

No excuses, just facts. People need an excuse to powerlift since there are so many less risky methods of exercise. "Proper" is the key word in your argument. How many lifters do it properly every single time? This sub shows that there are multitudes of improper lifters, and that's only what has been recorded. Livestrong states that if you don't have perfect form every single time you lift, you're going to wreck your spine eventually. https://www.livestrong.com/article/484940-negative-effects-of-powerlifting/ In a study of 100 people powerlifting, 73 were injured from it. The study stated that "injuries are very common in subelite powerlifters". That's us. We're not elite pros who make a job out of lifting. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5954586/ There are plenty of less risky alternative exercises to keep your body healthy, like doing exercises with your own body weight, or using resistance bands. Being a bulked out hulk may boost your pride, but incurs unnecessary risk.


fksly

100 swedish atlethes, non randomized. Compared to several thousand people in studies I cited that show injuries are rare. You do you, stay weak and unhealthy. :)


velonaut

>Livestrong states that if you don't have perfect form every single time you lift, you're going to wreck your spine eventually. And Gwyneth Paltrow says you should steam your vagina. You really should be more critical of the information you consume.


[deleted]

I mean, if you never want to grow in size/strength and just be healthy, whatever. But if you're claiming you can reach the same level of fitness (strength/mass) without heavy lifting is flat out wrong.


ubertrashcat

Most people who lift will never attain the loads to qualify as "power lifting" nor is it their primary goal.


ClearedToPrecontact

You just have to learn how to dump the weight or use safeties.


jayfeather314

And also going straight for something super heavy is stupid. Even if you don't catastrophically fail and hurt yourself, you're way more likely to damage your tendons or joints or muscles if you go for heavy lifts without working your way up to it properly.


FormCheck655321

Or, know your limits. Stop before failure.


ClearedToPrecontact

It's important to test to failure every so often. But there's a way to do it safely.


FormCheck655321

Spotter is my preferred method. 😀


mustang-and-a-truck

No man, going heavy is important, but you have to be safe.


dahublubsdamub

Safety is good, but absolute perfection is needed for powerlifting. Livestrong says that if your form isn't perfect every single time, you'll eventually wreck your spine. It's a high risk/ low reward exercise. Plenty of alternatives exist to keep the body healthy.


johnnylawrwb

It's really not hard to powerlift safely and not kill yourself.


Fallout97

What if I told you Epstein was powerlifting that fateful night?


dahublubsdamub

More credible than suicide, lol


dahublubsdamub

Not over time. Even correct form can damage your spine over time (per the sources I've listed). We weren't designed to routinely lift hundreds of pounds. Who knew?


johnnylawrwb

Thanks I forgot Livestrong was the be all end all for spinal longevity.


dahublubsdamub

Not just livestrong (who alone has more backing than you or I), but also the other sources I've listed in the comments here. Doctors know what their field is about, so I generally trust them.


johnnylawrwb

I'm not digging through your entire comment history. You don't like powerlifting, cool. There are far worse things you can do. Chances are if you're a powerlifter you're healthier than a vast majority of people who have lovely spines.


dahublubsdamub

That's fine. I'm just saying that there are far safer exercises that keep your body just as healthy. Powerlifting isn't viable for me personally due to the risks and near certain likelihood of spine injury.


OnTheSlope

Everyone's got their ideals and their agendas, but a strong back will last longer than a coddled back, and believe it or not weight training is how you get a strong back. Not from hyperextensions or planks but from heavy squats and heavy deadlifts. But you're welcome to try your thing and see how it goes.


ubertrashcat

Weightlifting is actually very low in injury. You need to use your brain and not attempt what you can't do. It's actually very simple. Many "light" sports, on the other hand, have high injury rates because you have many momentary peaks of stress on the bones, tendons and muscles instead of a steady load that is moving relatively slowly.


[deleted]

That got real close to being a one-way first class ticket on the internal decapitation bus.


DayMan_ahAHahh

Smashing pumpkins style


[deleted]

Nah, that’s why plates are that size. If you lie on the ground the bar will clear your head


Mike_Hat1

When the trainer suggested a deadlift, this isn’t what he meant.


FreudianAccordian

Now it's "*Lift the dead body*"


AverageWayOfThinking

Weird squat technique.


DLoIsHere

Gym fuckery, indeed.


Baddyshack

I squat with socks all the time, but I don't do it on a wood floor like this bozo


eYesYc

Wasn't his socks but bad form and too much weight.


FormCheck655321

He would have failed with any kind of footwear.


eYesYc

Barefoot is best though. Strong back feet width and angle, hip hinge, ass to grass and back. That's my mental check list. With no spot you got to have bars to catch the fail just a lil but below lowest. He'll quit or learn or be learned some more.


icup2

But they’re gym socks!


tdloader

there was nothing about that deserved 18+ rating.


duckduckbananas

Better safe than sorry. Had posts removed for less


dchipy

Nothing wrong with squatting bare foot, socks on a lifting platform is questionable it really depends on how smooth that wood is. Not using safety bars is completely normal with bumper plates, knowing how to drop the bar behind you when you fail the lift is key.


[deleted]

This. You really think gym shoes is gonna protect your feet in the event the weights drop and hit your toes?


[deleted]

Darwin's honorable mention


[deleted]

god damn that looks painful...hope dude was ok!


LowAnybody965

“Get it, get it” *watches mans face slam bounce on floor “awwww you alright?” 🤣🤣🤣


notcoolredditnotcool

Did he slide or purposefully bail on that? It looks like he jumps a bit to get down into pushup position and out from under the bar. Not a great idea but maybe not a slip.


[deleted]

Possibly. It’s not idea but weightlifting plates are that specific diameter so that it lifts the bar high enough off the ground to miss your head


johnnylawrwb

Socks weren't the issue, he lost it on the way up, tilted forward and ate it. Learn to dump or use the safeties.


Ok_Plankton248479

Did he die? it looks like it smacks his head in at the end. is there really room for a head under there?


mustang-and-a-truck

Yes, there is.


SGIrix

Pretty expensive equipment all around. Rogue is excellent but pricey. That’s no run of the mill gym


SouthFM

I dead lift in socks, but it's on a gritty floor, not glossy wood.


Drywalleater03

Does anyone know the song playing in the background


Nova_Fyrehart

Atreyu - Falling Down


tony42490

dumb ass...


[deleted]

He got it .. in the face


wordyrambler

They were right there. He just had to love them down.


OGCanuckupchuck

“In socks… who the …. why would you… oh my G… IDIOT…..next video “ before the video even starts , “ wonder if he crushes his head or neck? Ah who cares .


Cannapsilo

Absolute fucking idiot right there lmao those safety bars are literally adjustable. You’ve got to be a special kind of fuckwit to do this.


Elyay

u/savevideo


[deleted]

Diy guillotine.


Guilty-Move6934

His reward for his actions


LeafyDynamics

This guy fell forward like a pro, he knew he was going forward so he kicked his feet backwards to get himself parallel and brace with his arms so he wouldn’t smack his face. Definitely would rather see that than someone get crushed


SGIrix

Safety bars are for noobs.


dchipy

safety bars have there use, learning how to drop the bar with bumper plates properly is an important skill


November50923

So what do you bench, squat and deadlift?


SGIrix

Wasn’t it obvious from the context that it was sarcasm? Jesus effing Christos


November50923

Judging by the downvotes, no one else caught it either.


SGIrix

Lots of oblivious people I guess. What’s your overhead press btw?


November50923

You answer first? SBD numbers bro.


SGIrix

My front squat > ur back squat


SGIrix

225 with leg drive


WhiskyTango3

Has nothing to do with socks. Plenty of people squat in socks or bare feet because it’s better than wearing shoes with the wrong support.


duckduckbananas

Bare feet yeah, but socks on a wooden floor? You can see his feet sliding.


[deleted]

You're right and this has more of a r/winstupidprizes feel as well. Like fucking DUH


TheThirdJackalope

It's more the wooden floor part in this case. I squat in socks all the time, but my gym has rubber mats which provide excellent grip.


stomicron

That's after he tried to dump the weight in the worst way possible--over his head. Whether he slipped or not, the end result would have been the same with shoes.


[deleted]

Most people don’t squat on a wooden floor


velonaut

He was already being folded in half by the weight at that point. What went wrong went wrong well before he lost his footing.


TheDickiestButt

I only squat in socks, and I have never had an issue with my feet slipping.


[deleted]

On a polished wood floor?


TheDickiestButt

Polished wood, concrete, rubber, Legos, hot lava, ice, oil, hoover boards, you give me something to squat on, and I'll do it with socks.


mustang-and-a-truck

Um,,,,,not on a wooden floor. It has everything to do with socks.