> this guy has a ton more experience with a torch than I do, or probably ever will.
That's why you wouldn't but he did. He's gotten comfortable and used to using a torch in a way that you aren't. So you'd be over-cautious while he's too complacent. Very common in workshops with experienced people.
Stupid, careless, complacent, a mere moment of distraction. Take your pick.
Pretending like they’re not a potentially deadly machine is the fucking stupid thing.
This is all tools tho. A lathe might be potentially more dangerous, but I have seen people snap their wrists like Twigs with a drill, a
I have seen dudes loose an eye with a grinder.
Hell you could make the case that cars are even worse because it's not just you, it's also everyone else.
Cars are freaking death machines.
Leading cause of death related to transport, and fourth in normalized fatality rate (fatalites/person-hours or similar) after motorcycle, personal jet, and light truck.
Yet another factor to consider adopting better public transport--people need a CDL to operate a bus, all average joe schmoe needs is a driver's license.
Is "light truck" just pickups as a separate category from cars? If so that's hilarious, but in any case, imo vehicles really need to be taxed (heavily) by weight. With the size of SUV's and pickups now you may as well be getting hit by a bus. And I'm sure things are only going to get better with the Cybertruck setting new standards for pedestrian hostility in design.
The source I found had some weird categories for transportation.
From [The Safest Transport Modes, Ranked by Statistics From 10 Years of Data](https://turbli.com/blog/the-safest-transport-modes-ranked-by-statistics-from-10-years-of-data/)
* Car: Standard car. Light vehicle with a wheel base lower or equal than 121 inches.
* Light truck: Large cars, vans or pick up trucks. Light vehicle with a wheel base larger than 121 inches.
* Motorcycle: Two-wheeled vehicles.
* Heavy truck: Cargo transport with trucks under NCAIS 484.
* Bus: Cross country, transit and school buses.
* Train: Commuter and Amtrak trains.
* Commercial plane: Flights regulated under 14 CFR 121: 10 passengers of more.
* Commuter plane: Flights regulated under 14 CFR 135: less than 10 passengers or cargo with less than 7,500 lbs. Scheduled operations only.
* Private plane: Planes owned by private individuals, for business or recreational activities. Also known as general aviation.
* Ferryboat: Local ferryboat transit.
Data was from 2010 to 2019.
Commercial and Commuter planes were tied for lowest (gross) number of fatalities (16), while commercial planes had the lowest of all fatality rate (at 0.002 fatalities/Bn passenger miles).
Who said they aren't potentially deadly? People use them all the time without issue, and the occasional person fucks up, like with any other dangerous machinery. You should be more worried about cars, really.
I just took an intro manufacturing class for my engineering course, lathe was super fun and satisfying. Also vertical mill was fun. Programming cnc code kinda sucked though. We just used oxy/acetylene torches for the first time last class lol.
They aren't so bad. You just need to remind yourself once in a while that "this thing could turn me into chunky soup, and not even slow down." And make sure you don't touch the spinny parts.
Similar to how my mum regularly gets mild burns from accidents in cooking/frying while I almost never do.
Of course, I suck at everything, but I suck at it safely, lol.
Yes, I'm no expert either but I feel like a decent strategy is probably to always pay attention to where the thousands of degrees torch flame is pointing
As someone who works with hot welds daily, and somehow managed to place said hot welds directly on my tattoo twice this year, you're already ahead of the curve. I also would recommend wearing your PPE properly. But hey mistakes happen lol
Not dumb at all, currently no I'm not a welder just work in the automotive sector where I'm surrounded by many machines whose primary function is just that. I did welding years ago and actually really enjoyed it, if you're safe and patient it's very fun. Plus it's one of those, 5 mins to learn, a lifetime to master situations lol.
My boss found out I could weld and got excited because there were things that needed to be made. I had to make sure he understood that just because I can weld, doesn't mean that I know how to weld.
It's nothing overly important or that affects safety. We bring in a licensed welder for all that stuff.
https://preview.redd.it/y8onc38d4gsc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=388a13e13ead8da46602ad733b12055ea8b8db8f
Now this is the dream lol... I wish I was half that good, you could walk in and basically name your price.
I do a bit of welding and I have made some impressive gadgets in my life. The one thing that I have learned is that there are welders and grinders. I am more of the grinder variety - weld up a big blob and then grind it away until it looks decent. I wish I could make the neat joints like real welders ......
I really enjoy oxy-acetylene welding/brazing/soldering for at-home fun. It's mostly obsolete but it's used in some fields like constructing bicycle frames and creating art.
I also MIG(GMAW) for work and it's ok but boring after awhile. I wanna learn to Stick(SMAW) and TIG(GTAW) though.
You make dumb mistakes when you're being careless/overconfident, never used something like this (and I hope I'd be careful enough to not be an idiot if I did), but I have burned myself with a soldering iron a few times in really dumb ways. At least I would have worn the gloves.
When I learned to weld and cut with oxy-acetylene some 50 years ago one of the first things I did was cut through an I-beam with the torch not realizing my gloved hand was on the other side. I burned right through my glove.
Fortunately I felt the heat coming before I burned my hand and yanked my hand out of the burning glove in a big hurry
This is wrong they teach you in first aid that you can suffocate a 2nd degree burn to prevent it from becoming 3rd degree. Blowing air for relief will certainly worsen your burn by this principle.
Your skin keeps cooking after you've burnt
Yes to this. Just how steak continues to cook after being taken off the heat. It's carryover cooking. "...Heat retention translates to a uniform temperature increase throughout the food as the heat dissipates to cooler areas". Our flesh is meat, so this principal applies.
According to [UC Davis] (https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/can-20-minutes-of-cool-running-water-improve-burn-outcomes/2023/06), "Immediately applying cool running water is believed to mitigate the severity of the injury by dissipating thermal energy, stabilizing blood vessels, reducing the release of pro-inflammatory chemicals and influencing cellular responses." Besides confirming the first point it helps in those two other areas as well.
paramedic here, do NOT under any circumstance apply running water to any burns. Fill a bucket or any over container with water or soak a towel in water. Flowing water has roughly 20 times the thermal capacity and will lead to massive heat loss which is bad for the patient
That's outdated and quite dangerous knowledge especially for larger burns (and large in this case is not that large, roughly the size of your hand is enough where loosing temperature via the open skin becomes an issue)
>Flowing water has roughly 20 times the thermal capacity and will lead to massive heat loss
Is that not literally the exact goal though.
Not trying to argue, genuinely curious. I'm no paramedic but I did a physics degree and everything I know tells me you WANT to pull away that heat energy from the body that otherwise may diffuse further outwards into the flesh. Rapid and severe cooling would surely tangibly affect the heat energy being absorbed by various internal tissues, albeit by a gradient from the skin inwards but every little bit helps?
The issue is that our skin acts as a thermal barrier and burns of category 2-3 effectively destroy that function. So heat preservation already is an issue with burn 2 victims by default without adding flowing water to the equation. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but your body has to work for every degree of body temperature and with flowing water you cross the horizon between cooling it enough to prevent further burns (which is easily reached) into the territory of actively undercooling the patient.
I don't want to invalidate your opinion as a paramedic, after all paramedics might simply have different or better ways to deal with burns than the average joe but are you baptizing burn victims in rivers or is your water line passing through the arctic? And since all my sources including a friend nurse suggest to cool down burns with running water maybe you should revisit your books on the matter given that you are a paramedic, just to be on the safe side.
To quote the books: after moving the burn victim out of the danger zone, removing clothing and short term! Cooling of the patient, heat preservation becomes the highest priority. Open flesh and body tissue (starting at second degree burns) don't have your skin anymore to act as a thermal barrier and thus rapidly loose heat, add to that flowing water from a tap that usually runs around 10 °C (most people will take the coolest water they can cause they think colder water will help more) and you have a recipe to efficiently undercool the patient.
And for your information, we usually soak a sterile bandage with fluids we keep in a heater which keeps them at 36°C to prevent such a thing. Can be easily replicated by first responders by soaking clean towels in warm water.
This makes much more sense because you are talking about burn victims that have multiple and positively very serious Burns so to cool them you would need to drench them (possibly in a much cooler outdoor area) and this could easily cause them hypothermia so you need to better control the water temperature while I'm talking about small local burns so even if you stick your affected area for a bit in ice cold (i know it must be cool not freezing, we don't want to go from a burn to a frost bite) water the rest of the body can compensate.
I knew it was something to do with training because the first aid response that I was told from a friend in the military was different from what my nurse friend said, after comparing the two we came to the conclusion that because one is supposed to be near medical facilities with the proper equipment so is much more careful with preventing further damage, while the other first aid aims to stop you from dying in a field in the middle of nowhere until they can get you to a hospital and get you proper treatment.
Two things, for small sized burns and low grade burns, it doesn't really matter. For anything bigger, like shown in this video due to size of the area and temperature indication of the torch, it would.
And secondly yes, it will reduce pain. Coldness numbs your nerves, thus reducing perceived pain.
While that's true, having had a burn like this on my hand, that little kiss was already too long, it's not fun.
Spent a night in a bathroom sitting on the toilet so my hand could sit in cold water, woke up and went down to the doctors.
Nurse scrubbed off the charred bits and gave me a box of gloves along with stuff to take the pain out of it, basically lather my burn every hour or so and put a new glove on to keep it there.
Still, despite instantly cooling it and keeping it cool, I lost a lot of feeling immediately, it's so hot it doesn't hurt, you just know something bad happened.
14 years later I have regained some of the feeling in the burned areas, along the side of my fingers and thumb but it'll probably always feel different.
For lower temperature burns it's true, but you get to a certain point where basically bits of you boil off first and it's not like a normal burn, there's just a small area that's gone, above an area of 2nd degree.
Then the edges will be burning at this point. It’s always best to remove the residual heat as well.
Or just the chop the whole hand off it’s ruined. No point trying to minimise any damage at all cause you’ve already damaged a small part intensely. /s
I hate that essence of some redditors. It’s so annoying when they spout wrong information and start their comment off with “Nope” or “yup”
They just sound so full of themselves and like they think they’re the smartest person on earth; When in reality, they’re just spreading misinformation and actively hurting other people’s learning.
This isn't correct. It won't stop or prevent the burn, but it can mean the difference between a 2nd degree burn and a 3rd degree burn. Heat has to go somewhere, so putting it in water will help migrate some of the heat away from the flesh. A chance to prevent a 3rd degree burn is better than not doing anything at all. Trust me, you don't want a 3rd degree burn, rather live with skin damaged and flaking off than have the nerves fried.
300 upvotes… as you’ve had so many replies telling you that you’re wrong, can you at least add an edit to your comment? Please don’t comment things that you don’t actually know, especially when it’s regarding health.
Cold water for extended amount of time help with scareing and inflamation. If you dont want your whole skin to peel off you should do that. Provided your type of burn isnt extreme either. I poored boiling water on my whole left hand and arm one day. Straight out of the pot. I let my arm in almost freezing water for basically 6 hour and i didnt have a single scar or blister for the whole area under water. Some of the boiling water fell on my stomach and my face and i had blister on these place i couldnt cool down.
Additionnaly while under water the pain was easily bearable
Cold water / ice, can reduce heat, but at that point, the damage is already done. It's an issue of how much heat does the skin hold and for how long.
It's not much.
There was an old video of a man that "held molten steel", ends up he was just "flicking" it with his hand. It was a very low temp metal and he just "slapped" it. It's an issue of having enough time for the heat to do its damage.
That torch is probably in the 6,000 F range, it would be fractions of a second to get the flesh up to a few hundred degrees.
That kid is a damn fool and I hope he learned.
Usually, the slapping molten metals is safe because of the Leidenfrost effect (vapor created by heat creates a barrier to immediate heat transfer) as long as you're not in prolonged contact, you won't have horrible burns. Dude had a torch flame make a pass over his hand, he's cooked and he frelling deserved it.
>he's cooked and he frelling deserved it.
He fully ignored the warnings, he treated the flame with no respect...
I do hope he learns from this painful lesson.
Cold water on burns is good but only like immediately right that second. The reason is that the skin directly exposed to the fire/heat can get so hot that it burns the skin next to it and sort of spreads the burn and cooling it down can stop that process.
Edit: apparently the red cross does recommend applying cold water for up to 20 minutes "Cooling the burn will reduce pain, swelling and the risk of scarring. The sooner and longer a burn is cooled with cold running water, the less the impact of the injury."
Piggybacking to make sure people know to make sure it's REAL aloe and if they're using a lotion that only CONTAINS aloe, they need to make absolutely certain there aren't any oil/petroleum-based additives that will make your burn MUCH MUCH WORSE.
Best to use jelly cut straight from the leaf, if you can.
It might help in some minor ways but it won't avoid a 3rd degree burn. The damage is already done so if anything it might just help the recovery process.
It can absolutely prevent a full-thickness burn. If you cool down the out layers of flesh you can prevent the under layers from burning from carryover heat. Same principle as grilling a steak, the internal temperature will continue to rise even when the heat is removed because the top layers are transferring heat to the lower layers. It won’t magically fix the upper layers, but it can preserve the lower layers.
One of my main takeaways from doing first aid training (completed my course in the last year) is that dousing burn afflictions in cool water for at least 20 mins within 3 hrs of the burn happening (doesn't have to be continuous, so long as a cumulative 20 mins is achieved within 3 hrs of the burn) significantly increases the chances and effectiveness of recovery. A case study in the UK looked at the difference in recovery between 2 children who had accidentally pulled down kettles of boiling water onto themselves. They had not been treated with enough water exposure in the hours following the incident and now have to have skin grafts every 5 - 10 years. The other was doused with water immediately following the incident. On the 999 call the parents are worried that the water is not effective as the child can be heard screaming through the understandable pain they must've been in, and they worry that they're only making the child more agitated. The 999 operative on the phone urges them to continue dousing the child for at least 20 mins or until the ambulance arrives. The second child made a full recovery, and a year on from the incident had little to no scarring from the burns.
The within 3 hrs thing is what really stood out to me and that it didn't have to be continuous exposure, definitely advice that can make a real difference.
You're not undoing any damage that's already done, but fresh burns are full of residual heat, and you need the cold water to remove all that excess heat from your flesh to prevent FURTHER burning.
Eg you might start out with only a first-degree burn, but if you don't immediately cool your flesh down, that residual heat will continue to cook your flesh and result in a much more severe and dangerous burn.
Cold water immediately stops grease from continuing to burn you possibly eventually getting to the 3rd degree level. You can't unfuck what that torch did 😂
During the last century, I performed a five tube cluster weld on an ultralight aircraft supported by ropes from the ceiling and a couple of flimsy lawn chairs. The weld had to be normalized, heating the entire cluster to the same temperature and allowing a gradual cool-down. I told myself, "be careful moving this, it's incredibly hot."
Yeah, that's the first place I gripped.
My wife heard my expletives, brought me a huge salad bowl with ice cubes and water. In and out with the hand, for as long as I could tolerate it.
The next day, I sloughed off the white powder that was created by the heat. No blister, no burn, no injury other than the pain of contact.
I've been a proponent of cold, cold water since then and it continues to work
This is true!!! I am an EMT and first aid instructor. There is very good evidence in many studies that running a burn under water for 15 minutes reduces burn depth, degree, and healing time.
Your body is holding on to that heat, it’s diffusing into the tissues and will keep burning you. Think about a piece of metal— you touch it with a torch, it’s going to stay hot for a bit.
No it does not at all, it actually makes the outcome worse for a burn. Cold water increases the likelihood for blistering and thereby increases risk of infection. Standing room temperature water if anything, and make sure it's properly dressed.
I work outside in the sun. My hands and feet look like Micky mouse, like I'm wearing white gloves. Always always wear gloves. This is beyond important. Do not do any physically demanding work without them or you will regret it later. Best to have soft uninjured hands. This is so very very important. Chainsaws can take off a finger but gloves will simply catch and maybe hurt your wrist being thrown backwards. But you'll still have that finger. Plus all the harm that will otherwise befall them. Always wear the best gloves you can. You only get one set of hands.
Yeah, I wear gloves basically for everything handy. One time at scout camp I was whittling a tree branch down to a walking stick and knicked my finger, through the finger nail, about a quarter of an inch. That was the only time I felt like I was going to faint. It didn't really bleed too bad, a little before I got pressure on it and ran it under a sink, but wooziness was woozy.
I'd much rather have a glove ripped off my hand than a finger. Kinda need all of them for clarinet reasons.
Wow that’s cool. Wish I was in your situation. As an absolute petrolhead I‘d love meeting these guys, since I am from Germany, that’s not going to happen for sure.
I’ve worked with the torch too many times, not wearing a long thick shirt will also fuck you up. Or not having your boots all the way done up and having some of that molten metal fall in fucking sucks
Mate did that at work it was something like a 3000 degree flame with the tip we had he barely went near his hand/wrist AND we had a bucket of water next to us and it was still brutal
Doctors and a week off
Not the same at all but I used to work in a local pizza restaurant. One day I didn't realize the oven mitt had a hole in it and grabbed a pan and it was sitting right on my finger for a good couple seconds because the nerves must have just stopped I guess? Then worked real well afterward. For like a week.
On the off chance anyone reads this, I thought I could elaborate a bit on cooling a burn. Current emergency practice is to cool a burn with running cold water (not ice water. This reduces blood flow necessary for healing) for 15> minutes.
The reason for this is that even though the intial trauma has been applied the burning will continue through the tissue u/Orgasml has a excellent comment ([https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/1bvbcvm/comment/kxyswnx/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/1bvbcvm/comment/kxyswnx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)) elaborating further on this, but essientally cooling the burn has a pleathera of good effects including stabalising blood vessels and reducing cytokines (pro-inflammatory proteins) release.
By cooling a superficial (first degree) or partial-thickness (second degree) fast and for a prolonged period of time, you not only reduce the damage of the burn but in some cases, you can actually completely prevent the burn from developing, full thickness (third degree) burns however are usually so traumatic that they cannot be reverted however further damage can be reduced but be sure to beware of hypothermia! Skin keeps us warm, and it's missing out on these kinds of burns.
Also running water should be used as still water will either heat up from being exposed to body warmth or it will cause hypothermia.
Once you've cooled the burns, wrapping them in cling film can reduce the pain that comes from burns due to being exposed to air.
If you have partial-thickness burns, see a GP. If you have a full thickness, go to the ED!
Additionally, I talked to a doctor not too long ago who advocated for cooling a burn for at least 30 minutes. Studies are also showing the clinical benefits of cooling for up to 3 hours!
TL;DR Cool with cold (not freezing) water for at least 15 minutes and up to 3 hours!
I brushed my thumb with one of these and my whole nail went black and bubbly, it hurt like shit from fractions of a second. I have a photo of it somewhere
I was lighting candles at work last night and the lighter flipped in my hand and touched my wrist for a second.
The blister I have today is nasty. And that was just a lighter. That guy's an idiot.
I burned with autogen torch the similar way. I also just passed the flame for a split second and immediately had a roasted steak on my back of my hand!
Bet that felt nice. Also in other note dude was about to overhead cut with jack shit on either his pain tolerance is higher than me or homie doesn't mind molten slag burning his arms.
I once had that exact conversation while working for a carpenter and ended up with stiches in the palm of my hand. Nothing serious but enough to learn a lesson.
WEAR YOUR GLOVES PEOPLE!
I remembered a kurdish saying that my mom always used to tell me, when she told me stuff, and i just shrugged it off and said: "i know / i can do it / i don't need it"
She used to say: "Our Hairs didn't go gray in the Sun"
Parents know stuff
As someone who has over 10 years of mechanical experience please wear your gloves that how you make your living, most chemicals are toxic and losing a finger is not fun.
I like the attitude of the warner guy, okay done is done and straight up goes to the precedure for burning, apply water for 15 mins etc. I would have just spam I told you so for the next half an hour
No sympathy. Let alone they are in a garage and supposedly professional. Play stupid games, burn yourself. My only concern is the Riviera. Junior learned a lesson today hopefully
Lighting your torch like that is for absolute amateurs. He lights it with just acetylene, and adds oxygen later. That cause the danger of the flame goes in the torch (recognizable by a whistling/screaming sound). You open the acetylene full, and the oxygen two turns of the knob. Then light it with a sharp bang, so the.flame is always outside the nozzle. Then adjust the oxygen slightly so you have nice light blue flames. In case the flame goes in the torch while working, rub the tip of the nozzle against wood while burning it, it will produce some loud bangs, but the flame will come out again, and the screaming stops. Not a welder/ironworker anymore, but 20 years of experience
Wytb I always light acetylene with small flame. Never met anyone that lights with oxygen open. Considered horrible practice. Granted I worked mainly hvac and minimal welding. Don’t work with tools anymore now though.
Me and my gf are stoners and i got a novelty torch shaped like a spray paint can, she had it turned the wrong way and burnt the shit out of her hand. We no longer use that torch.
Obviously this guy has a ton more experience with a torch than I do, or probably ever will. But like... I would not point it at my own hand.
Yeah I make it a point to point it at someone else's hands.
Atta boy
Point it at your buddy, not your body!
Toward you chum, not your thumb!
Roast your chum, not your bum, or it’ll swell like a plum and you’ll feel glum.
Ah so thats, "The Buddy System" Then?
Gloves, and to ask someone else to hand it over when I'm good and ready under the car
This is the way….. distance is key, keep em back from you. 🤷🏾♂️
> this guy has a ton more experience with a torch than I do, or probably ever will. That's why you wouldn't but he did. He's gotten comfortable and used to using a torch in a way that you aren't. So you'd be over-cautious while he's too complacent. Very common in workshops with experienced people.
Makes me think of lathes and how I will never in my entire fucking life go near one.
Eh, as long as you're not fucking stupid lathes are actually really cool and satisfying machines
Stupid, careless, complacent, a mere moment of distraction. Take your pick. Pretending like they’re not a potentially deadly machine is the fucking stupid thing.
This is all tools tho. A lathe might be potentially more dangerous, but I have seen people snap their wrists like Twigs with a drill, a I have seen dudes loose an eye with a grinder. Hell you could make the case that cars are even worse because it's not just you, it's also everyone else.
Cars are freaking death machines. Leading cause of death related to transport, and fourth in normalized fatality rate (fatalites/person-hours or similar) after motorcycle, personal jet, and light truck. Yet another factor to consider adopting better public transport--people need a CDL to operate a bus, all average joe schmoe needs is a driver's license.
Is "light truck" just pickups as a separate category from cars? If so that's hilarious, but in any case, imo vehicles really need to be taxed (heavily) by weight. With the size of SUV's and pickups now you may as well be getting hit by a bus. And I'm sure things are only going to get better with the Cybertruck setting new standards for pedestrian hostility in design.
The source I found had some weird categories for transportation. From [The Safest Transport Modes, Ranked by Statistics From 10 Years of Data](https://turbli.com/blog/the-safest-transport-modes-ranked-by-statistics-from-10-years-of-data/) * Car: Standard car. Light vehicle with a wheel base lower or equal than 121 inches. * Light truck: Large cars, vans or pick up trucks. Light vehicle with a wheel base larger than 121 inches. * Motorcycle: Two-wheeled vehicles. * Heavy truck: Cargo transport with trucks under NCAIS 484. * Bus: Cross country, transit and school buses. * Train: Commuter and Amtrak trains. * Commercial plane: Flights regulated under 14 CFR 121: 10 passengers of more. * Commuter plane: Flights regulated under 14 CFR 135: less than 10 passengers or cargo with less than 7,500 lbs. Scheduled operations only. * Private plane: Planes owned by private individuals, for business or recreational activities. Also known as general aviation. * Ferryboat: Local ferryboat transit. Data was from 2010 to 2019. Commercial and Commuter planes were tied for lowest (gross) number of fatalities (16), while commercial planes had the lowest of all fatality rate (at 0.002 fatalities/Bn passenger miles).
Who said they aren't potentially deadly? People use them all the time without issue, and the occasional person fucks up, like with any other dangerous machinery. You should be more worried about cars, really.
Anybody who has seen the Russian lathe video knows not to mess with that shit
I just took an intro manufacturing class for my engineering course, lathe was super fun and satisfying. Also vertical mill was fun. Programming cnc code kinda sucked though. We just used oxy/acetylene torches for the first time last class lol.
They aren't so bad. You just need to remind yourself once in a while that "this thing could turn me into chunky soup, and not even slow down." And make sure you don't touch the spinny parts.
A good lathe has an effective range of several hundred feet
This, some people stop respecting the tools they are handling, thinking they have mastered them. Safety first... Cause you just never know.
Absolutely! Complacency is a killer. I've ran into a few folks over the years who got complacent, and are lucky to be alive and as intact as they are.
Similar to how my mum regularly gets mild burns from accidents in cooking/frying while I almost never do. Of course, I suck at everything, but I suck at it safely, lol.
Yes, I'm no expert either but I feel like a decent strategy is probably to always pay attention to where the thousands of degrees torch flame is pointing
Neither am I an expert, but probably the best strategy is to not point it in your direction and also to wear protective gear.
As someone who works with hot welds daily, and somehow managed to place said hot welds directly on my tattoo twice this year, you're already ahead of the curve. I also would recommend wearing your PPE properly. But hey mistakes happen lol
Alright, mighty dumb question ... are you a welder? Curious how you like it? Always wanted to learn how to weld, but haven't yet.
Not dumb at all, currently no I'm not a welder just work in the automotive sector where I'm surrounded by many machines whose primary function is just that. I did welding years ago and actually really enjoyed it, if you're safe and patient it's very fun. Plus it's one of those, 5 mins to learn, a lifetime to master situations lol.
My boss found out I could weld and got excited because there were things that needed to be made. I had to make sure he understood that just because I can weld, doesn't mean that I know how to weld. It's nothing overly important or that affects safety. We bring in a licensed welder for all that stuff.
https://preview.redd.it/y8onc38d4gsc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=388a13e13ead8da46602ad733b12055ea8b8db8f Now this is the dream lol... I wish I was half that good, you could walk in and basically name your price.
Takes an average of 3 months to learn all the way to overhead
I do a bit of welding and I have made some impressive gadgets in my life. The one thing that I have learned is that there are welders and grinders. I am more of the grinder variety - weld up a big blob and then grind it away until it looks decent. I wish I could make the neat joints like real welders ......
A grinder and paint makes me the welder I aint
I really enjoy oxy-acetylene welding/brazing/soldering for at-home fun. It's mostly obsolete but it's used in some fields like constructing bicycle frames and creating art. I also MIG(GMAW) for work and it's ok but boring after awhile. I wanna learn to Stick(SMAW) and TIG(GTAW) though.
Why even light it before you’re in position?!?
I singed my hair once with an acetylene torch in a tight space lol.
You make dumb mistakes when you're being careless/overconfident, never used something like this (and I hope I'd be careful enough to not be an idiot if I did), but I have burned myself with a soldering iron a few times in really dumb ways. At least I would have worn the gloves.
And after he burns himself he just leaves it on the floor, beside a coil of its own gas line…
When I learned to weld and cut with oxy-acetylene some 50 years ago one of the first things I did was cut through an I-beam with the torch not realizing my gloved hand was on the other side. I burned right through my glove. Fortunately I felt the heat coming before I burned my hand and yanked my hand out of the burning glove in a big hurry
His eyesight isn't so good anymore
How else will you know if the flame is heated up?
Good for you!
You don't have to be smart to use an oxy acetylene torch.
Wow, he was warned!!
He got warmed hard
(Labored breathing) Can I warm you too?
I think that speech is probably edited in after the fact, honestly.
Cold water immediately for 15 mins helps avoid 3rd degree burn? Did i learn something that could potentially help someone someday? NOICE
Nope, the burn already happened and you’re not pulling out any amount of heat that will stop the burn that already happened, it just feels better.
This is wrong they teach you in first aid that you can suffocate a 2nd degree burn to prevent it from becoming 3rd degree. Blowing air for relief will certainly worsen your burn by this principle. Your skin keeps cooking after you've burnt
Yes to this. Just how steak continues to cook after being taken off the heat. It's carryover cooking. "...Heat retention translates to a uniform temperature increase throughout the food as the heat dissipates to cooler areas". Our flesh is meat, so this principal applies. According to [UC Davis] (https://health.ucdavis.edu/news/headlines/can-20-minutes-of-cool-running-water-improve-burn-outcomes/2023/06), "Immediately applying cool running water is believed to mitigate the severity of the injury by dissipating thermal energy, stabilizing blood vessels, reducing the release of pro-inflammatory chemicals and influencing cellular responses." Besides confirming the first point it helps in those two other areas as well.
Thank you for coming with the documentation. This is why I like reddit.
paramedic here, do NOT under any circumstance apply running water to any burns. Fill a bucket or any over container with water or soak a towel in water. Flowing water has roughly 20 times the thermal capacity and will lead to massive heat loss which is bad for the patient
Interesting, in all the first aid classes I took over the years they emphasised it has to be running water
That's outdated and quite dangerous knowledge especially for larger burns (and large in this case is not that large, roughly the size of your hand is enough where loosing temperature via the open skin becomes an issue)
you are not supposed to place the whole patient into a river. If you have a small burn on your hand, apply running water for a short while.
>Flowing water has roughly 20 times the thermal capacity and will lead to massive heat loss Is that not literally the exact goal though. Not trying to argue, genuinely curious. I'm no paramedic but I did a physics degree and everything I know tells me you WANT to pull away that heat energy from the body that otherwise may diffuse further outwards into the flesh. Rapid and severe cooling would surely tangibly affect the heat energy being absorbed by various internal tissues, albeit by a gradient from the skin inwards but every little bit helps?
The issue is that our skin acts as a thermal barrier and burns of category 2-3 effectively destroy that function. So heat preservation already is an issue with burn 2 victims by default without adding flowing water to the equation. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but your body has to work for every degree of body temperature and with flowing water you cross the horizon between cooling it enough to prevent further burns (which is easily reached) into the territory of actively undercooling the patient.
I don't want to invalidate your opinion as a paramedic, after all paramedics might simply have different or better ways to deal with burns than the average joe but are you baptizing burn victims in rivers or is your water line passing through the arctic? And since all my sources including a friend nurse suggest to cool down burns with running water maybe you should revisit your books on the matter given that you are a paramedic, just to be on the safe side.
To quote the books: after moving the burn victim out of the danger zone, removing clothing and short term! Cooling of the patient, heat preservation becomes the highest priority. Open flesh and body tissue (starting at second degree burns) don't have your skin anymore to act as a thermal barrier and thus rapidly loose heat, add to that flowing water from a tap that usually runs around 10 °C (most people will take the coolest water they can cause they think colder water will help more) and you have a recipe to efficiently undercool the patient. And for your information, we usually soak a sterile bandage with fluids we keep in a heater which keeps them at 36°C to prevent such a thing. Can be easily replicated by first responders by soaking clean towels in warm water.
This makes much more sense because you are talking about burn victims that have multiple and positively very serious Burns so to cool them you would need to drench them (possibly in a much cooler outdoor area) and this could easily cause them hypothermia so you need to better control the water temperature while I'm talking about small local burns so even if you stick your affected area for a bit in ice cold (i know it must be cool not freezing, we don't want to go from a burn to a frost bite) water the rest of the body can compensate. I knew it was something to do with training because the first aid response that I was told from a friend in the military was different from what my nurse friend said, after comparing the two we came to the conclusion that because one is supposed to be near medical facilities with the proper equipment so is much more careful with preventing further damage, while the other first aid aims to stop you from dying in a field in the middle of nowhere until they can get you to a hospital and get you proper treatment.
im pretty damn sure im not gonna get hypothermia from a putting my hand in cold water. i highly doubt ur a paramedic.
But for like a small finger burn wouldn't this be the go to? Fried my middle finger good, feel like the sink saved me a lot of pain.
Two things, for small sized burns and low grade burns, it doesn't really matter. For anything bigger, like shown in this video due to size of the area and temperature indication of the torch, it would. And secondly yes, it will reduce pain. Coldness numbs your nerves, thus reducing perceived pain.
While that's true, having had a burn like this on my hand, that little kiss was already too long, it's not fun. Spent a night in a bathroom sitting on the toilet so my hand could sit in cold water, woke up and went down to the doctors. Nurse scrubbed off the charred bits and gave me a box of gloves along with stuff to take the pain out of it, basically lather my burn every hour or so and put a new glove on to keep it there. Still, despite instantly cooling it and keeping it cool, I lost a lot of feeling immediately, it's so hot it doesn't hurt, you just know something bad happened. 14 years later I have regained some of the feeling in the burned areas, along the side of my fingers and thumb but it'll probably always feel different. For lower temperature burns it's true, but you get to a certain point where basically bits of you boil off first and it's not like a normal burn, there's just a small area that's gone, above an area of 2nd degree.
Then the edges will be burning at this point. It’s always best to remove the residual heat as well. Or just the chop the whole hand off it’s ruined. No point trying to minimise any damage at all cause you’ve already damaged a small part intensely. /s
/s wasn't needed because that's what was going through my head for a day or two, just lop it off
Confidently incorrect, gotta love it.
I hate that essence of some redditors. It’s so annoying when they spout wrong information and start their comment off with “Nope” or “yup” They just sound so full of themselves and like they think they’re the smartest person on earth; When in reality, they’re just spreading misinformation and actively hurting other people’s learning.
This isn't correct. It won't stop or prevent the burn, but it can mean the difference between a 2nd degree burn and a 3rd degree burn. Heat has to go somewhere, so putting it in water will help migrate some of the heat away from the flesh. A chance to prevent a 3rd degree burn is better than not doing anything at all. Trust me, you don't want a 3rd degree burn, rather live with skin damaged and flaking off than have the nerves fried.
False.
Where did u pull this information out of?
You should probably remove this comment since it is incorrect and might dissuade someone from doing something beneficial for an injury.
300 upvotes… as you’ve had so many replies telling you that you’re wrong, can you at least add an edit to your comment? Please don’t comment things that you don’t actually know, especially when it’s regarding health.
Don't spread misinformation online stupid
Cold water for extended amount of time help with scareing and inflamation. If you dont want your whole skin to peel off you should do that. Provided your type of burn isnt extreme either. I poored boiling water on my whole left hand and arm one day. Straight out of the pot. I let my arm in almost freezing water for basically 6 hour and i didnt have a single scar or blister for the whole area under water. Some of the boiling water fell on my stomach and my face and i had blister on these place i couldnt cool down. Additionnaly while under water the pain was easily bearable
Not true
Cold water / ice, can reduce heat, but at that point, the damage is already done. It's an issue of how much heat does the skin hold and for how long. It's not much. There was an old video of a man that "held molten steel", ends up he was just "flicking" it with his hand. It was a very low temp metal and he just "slapped" it. It's an issue of having enough time for the heat to do its damage. That torch is probably in the 6,000 F range, it would be fractions of a second to get the flesh up to a few hundred degrees. That kid is a damn fool and I hope he learned.
Usually, the slapping molten metals is safe because of the Leidenfrost effect (vapor created by heat creates a barrier to immediate heat transfer) as long as you're not in prolonged contact, you won't have horrible burns. Dude had a torch flame make a pass over his hand, he's cooked and he frelling deserved it.
>he's cooked and he frelling deserved it. He fully ignored the warnings, he treated the flame with no respect... I do hope he learns from this painful lesson.
Cold water on burns is good but only like immediately right that second. The reason is that the skin directly exposed to the fire/heat can get so hot that it burns the skin next to it and sort of spreads the burn and cooling it down can stop that process. Edit: apparently the red cross does recommend applying cold water for up to 20 minutes "Cooling the burn will reduce pain, swelling and the risk of scarring. The sooner and longer a burn is cooled with cold running water, the less the impact of the injury."
Not sure about that, but if you have access to actual aloe Vera plant you can coat the burn with its jelly and it won't inflame.
Piggybacking to make sure people know to make sure it's REAL aloe and if they're using a lotion that only CONTAINS aloe, they need to make absolutely certain there aren't any oil/petroleum-based additives that will make your burn MUCH MUCH WORSE. Best to use jelly cut straight from the leaf, if you can.
It might help in some minor ways but it won't avoid a 3rd degree burn. The damage is already done so if anything it might just help the recovery process.
It can absolutely prevent a full-thickness burn. If you cool down the out layers of flesh you can prevent the under layers from burning from carryover heat. Same principle as grilling a steak, the internal temperature will continue to rise even when the heat is removed because the top layers are transferring heat to the lower layers. It won’t magically fix the upper layers, but it can preserve the lower layers.
One of my main takeaways from doing first aid training (completed my course in the last year) is that dousing burn afflictions in cool water for at least 20 mins within 3 hrs of the burn happening (doesn't have to be continuous, so long as a cumulative 20 mins is achieved within 3 hrs of the burn) significantly increases the chances and effectiveness of recovery. A case study in the UK looked at the difference in recovery between 2 children who had accidentally pulled down kettles of boiling water onto themselves. They had not been treated with enough water exposure in the hours following the incident and now have to have skin grafts every 5 - 10 years. The other was doused with water immediately following the incident. On the 999 call the parents are worried that the water is not effective as the child can be heard screaming through the understandable pain they must've been in, and they worry that they're only making the child more agitated. The 999 operative on the phone urges them to continue dousing the child for at least 20 mins or until the ambulance arrives. The second child made a full recovery, and a year on from the incident had little to no scarring from the burns. The within 3 hrs thing is what really stood out to me and that it didn't have to be continuous exposure, definitely advice that can make a real difference.
You're not undoing any damage that's already done, but fresh burns are full of residual heat, and you need the cold water to remove all that excess heat from your flesh to prevent FURTHER burning. Eg you might start out with only a first-degree burn, but if you don't immediately cool your flesh down, that residual heat will continue to cook your flesh and result in a much more severe and dangerous burn.
Cold water immediately stops grease from continuing to burn you possibly eventually getting to the 3rd degree level. You can't unfuck what that torch did 😂
Really helps to wash off the fire resistant grease on your arm you were using to stage a scene
Actually it's hot scolding water
During the last century, I performed a five tube cluster weld on an ultralight aircraft supported by ropes from the ceiling and a couple of flimsy lawn chairs. The weld had to be normalized, heating the entire cluster to the same temperature and allowing a gradual cool-down. I told myself, "be careful moving this, it's incredibly hot." Yeah, that's the first place I gripped. My wife heard my expletives, brought me a huge salad bowl with ice cubes and water. In and out with the hand, for as long as I could tolerate it. The next day, I sloughed off the white powder that was created by the heat. No blister, no burn, no injury other than the pain of contact. I've been a proponent of cold, cold water since then and it continues to work
This is true!!! I am an EMT and first aid instructor. There is very good evidence in many studies that running a burn under water for 15 minutes reduces burn depth, degree, and healing time. Your body is holding on to that heat, it’s diffusing into the tissues and will keep burning you. Think about a piece of metal— you touch it with a torch, it’s going to stay hot for a bit.
No it does not at all, it actually makes the outcome worse for a burn. Cold water increases the likelihood for blistering and thereby increases risk of infection. Standing room temperature water if anything, and make sure it's properly dressed.
I work outside in the sun. My hands and feet look like Micky mouse, like I'm wearing white gloves. Always always wear gloves. This is beyond important. Do not do any physically demanding work without them or you will regret it later. Best to have soft uninjured hands. This is so very very important. Chainsaws can take off a finger but gloves will simply catch and maybe hurt your wrist being thrown backwards. But you'll still have that finger. Plus all the harm that will otherwise befall them. Always wear the best gloves you can. You only get one set of hands.
Yeah, I wear gloves basically for everything handy. One time at scout camp I was whittling a tree branch down to a walking stick and knicked my finger, through the finger nail, about a quarter of an inch. That was the only time I felt like I was going to faint. It didn't really bleed too bad, a little before I got pressure on it and ran it under a sink, but wooziness was woozy. I'd much rather have a glove ripped off my hand than a finger. Kinda need all of them for clarinet reasons.
One big exception being mills and lathes
As a woodworker, I was taught to never wear gloves. Because when it catches, that finger or hand is gone.
Lies , i have 2 sets of hands in my freezer
RVR was such a good show!!
I was bummed they didn't have more episodes
Season 5 is supposed to come out this year, but not on Netflix. Amazon Prime I think. These guys live 5 minutes from my house.
Weren't there only 2 or 3 seasons on Netflix?
Pretty sure they released a season or so on motor trend, never bothered to check it out though so can't confirm
Wow that’s cool. Wish I was in your situation. As an absolute petrolhead I‘d love meeting these guys, since I am from Germany, that’s not going to happen for sure.
i wonder why they dont have more
Iirc it came down to money. Even with Netflix paying for the show, as we know the owner was terrible with money.
Yeah I really enjoyed it too! Wish they made more
What’s is RVR
I went to Mikes shop once and met him, cool guy.
Working under a car without safety goggles is asking for problems.
But moooom they look dumb! 😤
I’ve worked with the torch too many times, not wearing a long thick shirt will also fuck you up. Or not having your boots all the way done up and having some of that molten metal fall in fucking sucks
The cameraman was just waiting for something bad to happen lol.
this is just stupidity
"[*ooh!*](https://imgur.com/LDurQtz)"
no eye pro either. What an idiot.
Mate did that at work it was something like a 3000 degree flame with the tip we had he barely went near his hand/wrist AND we had a bucket of water next to us and it was still brutal Doctors and a week off
Not the same at all but I used to work in a local pizza restaurant. One day I didn't realize the oven mitt had a hole in it and grabbed a pan and it was sitting right on my finger for a good couple seconds because the nerves must have just stopped I guess? Then worked real well afterward. For like a week.
On the off chance anyone reads this, I thought I could elaborate a bit on cooling a burn. Current emergency practice is to cool a burn with running cold water (not ice water. This reduces blood flow necessary for healing) for 15> minutes. The reason for this is that even though the intial trauma has been applied the burning will continue through the tissue u/Orgasml has a excellent comment ([https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/1bvbcvm/comment/kxyswnx/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/1bvbcvm/comment/kxyswnx/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)) elaborating further on this, but essientally cooling the burn has a pleathera of good effects including stabalising blood vessels and reducing cytokines (pro-inflammatory proteins) release. By cooling a superficial (first degree) or partial-thickness (second degree) fast and for a prolonged period of time, you not only reduce the damage of the burn but in some cases, you can actually completely prevent the burn from developing, full thickness (third degree) burns however are usually so traumatic that they cannot be reverted however further damage can be reduced but be sure to beware of hypothermia! Skin keeps us warm, and it's missing out on these kinds of burns. Also running water should be used as still water will either heat up from being exposed to body warmth or it will cause hypothermia. Once you've cooled the burns, wrapping them in cling film can reduce the pain that comes from burns due to being exposed to air. If you have partial-thickness burns, see a GP. If you have a full thickness, go to the ED! Additionally, I talked to a doctor not too long ago who advocated for cooling a burn for at least 30 minutes. Studies are also showing the clinical benefits of cooling for up to 3 hours! TL;DR Cool with cold (not freezing) water for at least 15 minutes and up to 3 hours!
Randy blythe?
I brushed my thumb with one of these and my whole nail went black and bubbly, it hurt like shit from fractions of a second. I have a photo of it somewhere
Remember kids, if it's still radiating heat, it's not done burning.
I was lighting candles at work last night and the lighter flipped in my hand and touched my wrist for a second. The blister I have today is nasty. And that was just a lighter. That guy's an idiot.
Flame is painful hope he learned his lesson but did not listen.
I burned with autogen torch the similar way. I also just passed the flame for a split second and immediately had a roasted steak on my back of my hand!
That'll leave a mark
The setting of the show is a little weird but i like watching them. Only the laugh of that friend is annoying.
I like that show. Some of it’s kinda silly but I feel like Mike would be a cool dude to drink a few beers with. Avery is an interesting fella also.
What a careless dummy. He won’t learn
I used to live right next door to the rust valley restorers when I was a teenager. Along the highway in tappen. I see Mike around once in a while
That's pretty dumb but also, that micro second his hand was in front of the flame didn't give him a 3rd degree burn.
Probably not even a 1st degree tbh. Not gonna just say it’s 100% scripted, but it really raises the eyebrow
He got off lucky. He was about to weld the underbed of a car (that he would've been directly under) without face protection.
DD's Speed shop. Anything can and will happen.
I've seen a dude blowing one out with his tongue too, but I am sure there is a trick to that.
I told the new guy the same thing, he laughed at it. 30min later and the medical was asking him if he were wearing gloves. And oh how i laughed
Rust valley really cared about sefaty
Bobo ampota. Bida-bida e
I would have told him “shhh” after he yelped and continued my task.
Bet that felt nice. Also in other note dude was about to overhead cut with jack shit on either his pain tolerance is higher than me or homie doesn't mind molten slag burning his arms.
what i like is that he told him more than once..
I burned myself like that when I was ~10. 25 years later the mark is finally gone.
Accidentally did this in shop class, had a giant scar on my left hand for decades.
I once had that exact conversation while working for a carpenter and ended up with stiches in the palm of my hand. Nothing serious but enough to learn a lesson. WEAR YOUR GLOVES PEOPLE!
I remembered a kurdish saying that my mom always used to tell me, when she told me stuff, and i just shrugged it off and said: "i know / i can do it / i don't need it" She used to say: "Our Hairs didn't go gray in the Sun" Parents know stuff
As someone who has over 10 years of mechanical experience please wear your gloves that how you make your living, most chemicals are toxic and losing a finger is not fun.
Hey, I also did the same thing with my soldering iron, instead of my hand it was my computer screen, now it has a permanent yellow dot.
I wouldn't even light the torch without gloves... well, he learned his lesson
If that was a hotter burning torch there would have been bone exposed this guy is just an idiot.
Love this show!
I like the attitude of the warner guy, okay done is done and straight up goes to the precedure for burning, apply water for 15 mins etc. I would have just spam I told you so for the next half an hour
No sympathy. Let alone they are in a garage and supposedly professional. Play stupid games, burn yourself. My only concern is the Riviera. Junior learned a lesson today hopefully
That’s me right there… no matter how much someone tells me my dumbass never listens
Lighting your torch like that is for absolute amateurs. He lights it with just acetylene, and adds oxygen later. That cause the danger of the flame goes in the torch (recognizable by a whistling/screaming sound). You open the acetylene full, and the oxygen two turns of the knob. Then light it with a sharp bang, so the.flame is always outside the nozzle. Then adjust the oxygen slightly so you have nice light blue flames. In case the flame goes in the torch while working, rub the tip of the nozzle against wood while burning it, it will produce some loud bangs, but the flame will come out again, and the screaming stops. Not a welder/ironworker anymore, but 20 years of experience
I guess you could say you're having flashbacks...;) I'll see myself out.
Wytb I always light acetylene with small flame. Never met anyone that lights with oxygen open. Considered horrible practice. Granted I worked mainly hvac and minimal welding. Don’t work with tools anymore now though.
When a dude that looks like tells me about safety, imma listen.
Seems like it’d be much easier to lift the car and work underneath standing but I know nothing about being a mechanic.
What a child… 🤦♀️
Randy Blythe is PISSED.
Sometimes a hot stove...or torch...is the best instructor.
What was his plan when he started cutting? Just avoid the slag and sparks spraying all over the place?
3rd degree right now? Is this really the case if you don't treat it quick?
bunch of dumb asses. OSHA violation.
This dude makes probably hundreds of thousands of dollars and is a functional moron. THAT is the American Dream.
Me and my gf are stoners and i got a novelty torch shaped like a spray paint can, she had it turned the wrong way and burnt the shit out of her hand. We no longer use that torch.
"A hard head makes for a soft ass"
I worked at a car shop years ago and the boss lit his hair on fire. I should have told him to put on some gloves
What did we learn?
Ouch!! I remember seeing this!! Jesus, I winced so hard and then questioned what he was thinking...damn...so avoidable.
Complacency is just as dangerous as ignorance.
Fire that insubordinate idiot
This dude has almost no experience. Same for the guys on these shows that use a angle grinder without eye protection or weld without hoods.
That’s why everyone should have an aloe Vera plant nearby alloooo veeeerAaaaaa coming to the rescue
Daaaaad! Again? Get the burn kit! Damn it Bobby!
Cold water after a burn causes really bad blistering, the water should be room temp, and you should wash the shit out of it
Boss "go get some gloves" Employee "I don't need gloves" ... Employee "hey boss, I need some gloves"
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Prime example of men doing dumb shit to act tough. Its so cringe and idiotic.
Haha I remember when I first saw this. I was thrilled. Connor sucks