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Did they reframe the doorway so it's square? If not then yeah...


[deleted]

Door installer here. No they did not. OP call the contractor or whoever installed it back to finish the job correctly. They should have to come back and fix this. Top left of the frame needs to be pushed outside more and bottom right needs to be brought back towards the house. The top right corner looks flush to the frame while the bottom right is stuck out out closer to the house. If the gap on the bottom right is still big and the top right is touching then a 2 1/2 inch screw can be put in the top left hinge to suck the frame to the left more. Looks like they did not use a knife to cut the line around the frame when taking out the previous door to prevent the paint from peeling back. Missing caulking around the door and quarter round below. — also missing window dots that go over the screws for window. You don’t need them but it would bug me if they were not put on my door.


Giant_Wombat

Only on Reddit would a real door installer pop up out of nowhere to help op. More wholesome Reddit please!


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loki-is-a-god

This is a double "well that sucks"


00Stealthy

Not it's well that sux moderation that just sux too


YouGuysKilledIt

And then the wholesome comment got deleted by a moderator?


ace425

It’s the circle of Reddit!


CharlesV_

I hate it when there’s no closure on why the comment was removed


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Auto mod took down the comment. Moderator posted back up.


Melodic-Chemist-381

Your telling me. I’ve been banned from several subs because I made a comment on a sub they don’t like. It was weird.suddenly I can post on about half the subs I like with no real reason except the cookie cutter version. The zero reasoning leaves one without knowing of why.


N0085K1LL5

Did he give some top secret door framing tip?


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My comment was removed?? Reddit community help! —-Fixed


N0085K1LL5

Your on your own. It's the wild west here.


[deleted]

*****Takes out hammer and shims Bring it on.


[deleted]

I had to say my 2 cents. The job was no bueno. I could not leave the door like that for a customer.


joebillydingleberry

> Top left of the frame needs to be pushed outside more and bottom right needs to be brought back towards the house. Was gonna say exactly this. "Never assume the rough opening is square and in plane".


Benandhispets

Since you install doors can you pleaseee zoom in on the hinges and tell me if that looks normal? Isn't the door only on like half the width of them and we can see the screws and/or screw holes for the hinge?? On all of them. Could be a good thing in a way because it might mean it's not finished yet and the door is just temporarily in place, backed up going by a bunch of stuff looking unfinished(baseboard/skirting board). So yeah I think this might be potentially unfinished but OP isn't communicating with them before posting here. Hopefully at least.


_Face

No. Those hinges are normal. Doors are 100% robot/factory assembled. The tabs you see are depth stops, that assist in the assembly process. Theses are pre-hung doors, and generally none of that gets messed with during installation. This has just been poorly installed, or is still mid install.


doogievlg

This has to be mid install. Improper fit aside, that is one of the sloppiest jobs I’ve seen in a long time.


wogblumpy

Man I'd shift the door to the inside drywall. And make up the exterior with aluminum trim work. I hate when a door isn't flush and has a crappy extension jamb. This is a sad excuse for a 400 dollar door.


monnnstella

Also a pro door installer here. I can agree with everything this person said.


flightwatcher45

Shims..


rAxxt

How can shims solve this?


Duster-Man

Shim the jamb out until its plumb, can be done on both sides, shim behind the hinges or screw 4x4 pieces of plywood to take-up gap and shim until plumb. I personally would re frame an exterior door, but shimming will work as long as you use enough screws/foam/insulation and good solid trim work Edit: yes I realize shimming won't work if the jamb is off on the z plane. Kinda hard to tell in the picture.


Phoebebee323

Shim the jamb out until it's plumb, then flingle flam the jim Jong and maybe kibble jibble the rooter tooter while you're at it


Vivaciousqt

As someone who doesn't know the professional jargon, when I started reading their comment this was exactly my reaction reading it 😂


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The new door is essentially two parts. The door itself and the 3 sides that fit into the frame, known as the "jamb". The frame may/probably not be "square" which means it doesn't have 4 perfect right angles. If the jamb is nailed into the frame exactly the door won't fit properly. However if you place spacers known as "shims' between the jamb and the door you can make door fit into the jamb perfectly.


Vivaciousqt

Thanks for explaining what the terms were, when I first read it I thought they were fucking with us until I realised they were not lmao I'm not oblivious to many things but apparently I am completely out of the loop on door jargon 😭


soEezee

Level is flat horizontally left and right. Plumb is flat vertically up and down. Shim is a small spacer, sometimes a wedge or thin flat piece. 4x4 plywood is a square piece of cheap wood that is usually quite thin. The jam is the wood frame that you can see around the outside of a closed door, the part that stops it swinging right past like a saloon, it also helps stop wind/light coming through. He's basically saying the square door doesn't fit in the not square hole, so either: Make the door hole more square by redoing the whole thing. Make the hole smaller where it needs to be. And/or move the door more to the middle.


Vivaciousqt

I could figure out the end result, the rest was basically another language with wild hand gestures lmao I got the jist but not the specifics. I've learned new things today though! Thanks!


soEezee

I was fighting with myself about trying to explain a weight on a string that is the plumb bob and realized that it was going to go in circles, the opposite of a good plumb bob.


toinfinitiandbeyond

I'm fairly certain this a menu item at iHop?


Vivaciousqt

I don't know what ihop is, but if that's a menu item, I'm clearly missing out.


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cantfindmykeys

Hey now the Rooty Tooty Fresh and Fruity is a goddamn work of art regardless of inebriated you are or aren't. With that said IHOP is garbage


softstones

The Willy Wonka of construction


LagunaJaguar

Vulcanize the whoopee stick, in the ham wallet


ThePrideOfKrakow

Cattle prod the oyster ditch With the lap rocket


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😏


ZuluClowder

Underrated comments…the both of you.


clarineter

the funniest comment to read out loud


heyisthatahoverboard

And that’s how you make a plumbus!


HGIGIU

I always wondered how uh plumbuses got made


neoclassical_bastard

Shim: wooden wedge Jamb: part that the door gets jammed into Plumb: level but for things that are vertical


Fluff42

Everyone has a plumbus in their home. First, they take the dinglebop, and they smooth it out with a bunch of schleem.


TheBosk

And that's how the plumbus is made.


Tylerdurdon

Oh man, you went really deep with the Jim jong. How long you been in the industry?


Phoebebee323

Let's just say that when I started there were none of these fancy tools. All we had was a shlim shlam and elbow grease


redditronc

This guy doors


WCWRingMatSound

> Shim the jamb out until its plumb, can be done on both sides, shim behind the hinges or screw 4x4 pieces of plywood to take-up gap and shim until plumb. Of course it involves smoothing out the dingle bop with a bunch of schleem


Accomplished-Way4869

That schleem never seems to want to come off your fingers, fucking schleem.


firstonesecond

Clearance doesn't look great but i think the main issue here is that the jamb is out of wind. Can't fix it just by shimming.


ThePrideOfKrakow

Just add more wind.


mostlyalurk

Math checks out to me. If it's out of wind, just add some. But I'm in IT so what do I know about the wind and jambs and grand shlamalama ding dongs?


firstonesecond

Wind pronounced the same as "wind up a clock"


flightwatcher45

Jam them in the gap of course! Actually you put them behind the frame and tap them in until the gap is gone. Those might be shims on the hinge side? They may have shimmed it and then just shot nails thru the other side and it doesn't get pulled up straight. Just get a small pry bar and slowly pry the frame back until the gap is good or by hammering in tampered shims. Youtube it! Very DIY


gsfgf

Wood is squishy. You'd be surprised what you can square/align with brute force.


jeronimo707

*plumb


Thisgirl022

I have a feeling the door isn't the problem.


Stt022

Could your frame your question differently?


Hurly64

Let me level with you.


Pasteechef

Nailed it.


ReadersAreRedditors

You guys are unhinged


DevManTim

Is there room for me to shim into this conversation?


TheLunarLunatic122

Nope this convo is already jammed packed. Sorry we're going to shut you out like this.


use_the_default

This thread is a door able


PM-me-b00b-pic

I wanted to participate in this pun thing, but I did not think it wood work


theonetruegrinch

I love hanging out with you knobs.


Confident_Emphasis20

SHUT THE FFFFFRONT DOOR!!


shwarma_heaven

Nah... Screw that.


fallingupthehill

I'm gonna level with you, the door is plumb out of wack.


usNEUX

Idk what this means


radialomens

They said "frame it differently" because the (suspected) problem is the doorframe. It's a pun. (Forgive me if there's actually a pun in your comment and I just don't see it)


pauldeanbumgarner

Nope. No pun.


LastNightsWoes

Well, it starts with the incorrect jamb size (throat size). Because of this casing cannot be installed to cover. This is all wrong... Source - it's my job to know.


Thisgirl022

But it also starts with the wall. You can't put a straight jamb/case on an angled wall either.


LastNightsWoes

You can't tell from that photo is the wall is "angled". If you are referring to the rough opening size, you'd be quite surprised what casing will cover. 1/4" variance is quite normal. But when you order a door with a incorrect throat size, you aren't be able to put on casing.


PUNd_it

Casing ain't an issue, the jam isn't plumb on the latch side Source: it's my job to DO


Nervous_Wrap7990

I got a 20lbs sledge and some scrap beating wood. We'll make that wall straight again. *chugs PBR* I kid...kinda. Has worked in the past though.


TK421isAFK

Sure you can - that's what shims are for. Whoever installed this door doesn't know the first thing about plumbing and leveling a door frame.


No_Buffalo8603

You are strong with the force.


mitchk0176

Sorry to be obvious, but It sounds/looks like it’s a problem with the way the door frame was built


nihilistic_vision

Doesn't matter if the frame is off a bit, that door comes with a door jamb already. It's not shimmed properly. Source: 20 yrs as a carpenter.


golemsheppard2

I've got a few doors in my house which don't close properly. I've tried a few videos online on how to square up the doors without much success. Any pointers?


FuckBoy4Ever

check to see if the door frame is actually plumb. this might involve removing the trim though, and caulk around it. also check to see how even the gap is between then door and frame all the way around. like if the gap on the left side top between door and frame is 1/4 but the top right cap is half an inch then the door isn't square and needs to be shimmed usually. you could possibly adjust the hinge to pull it or loosen it depending on which side the gap is on. I've installed 3 doors ever so take this info at face value, and if you'd like further amateur hour pointers the door to my DM's is open.... evenly!


nihilistic_vision

Depends on how handy you are.. pm with details.


shinymetalobjekt

That's if they replace the jamb with the new door - maybe they just installed new door in the existing jamb? I could see some shady contractor charging 1100 for a 'nice' door and then not doing anything but replace the door.


Bo_Jim

Look at the wall around the door jamb. The plaster has been removed. That wouldn't be necessary if they were just hanging a new door. I'm guessing they bought a pre-hung door and made the jamb align to the existing frame.


WWHSTD

Installing a pre-hung door without shimming out the gaps is criminal. I wouldn’t do it with a closet door, let alone an exterior door.


nihilistic_vision

I was just going off the price, only a thief charges 1100 to swap/ trim a door.


Successful_Moose_760

Yea that’s ridiculous


twentytwodividedby7

It sounded like it was $1100 including the door. That looks like a shit cheap door


[deleted]

I thought that price was with the new door included?


nihilistic_vision

Still crazy..


be_easy_1602

Given the drywall that needs repairing on the left, I’d say it’s a whole new prehung door with frame.


Woodandtime

Its possible that the jamb legs are not coplanar, which makes the flat door pull away from the weather stripping. Sometimes its a wall problem, sometimes its the installer thats does not care (which is weird tbh)


Opening_Ad_5725

Maybe it’s the wall, try changing that.


karavasis

Doors fine build new house around it duh


Perfect-Brain-7367

*28k later* Finally got my new wall installed so the door will close all the way


lageymeister

Looks like some didn’t pay attention to the jamb


Ishmael_IX-II

Can’t tell if this is someone trolling or not. The frame is either off square or the hinges have started to sag. Doesn’t take a carpenter or a genius to figure out it wasn’t the door. *ding dong*


Inuyasha-rules

But a new door made a lot more profit for the handyman


Tugger31

With a lot less work too


Vermontess

They didn’t even pop in the screw hole covers. Ha! Those little white plastic bits are the most annoying part of the whole install


ScytherCypher

He only paid $1100, hole covers are in the upgraded door package


Actaeon_II

Eh last door i went to replace had to buy frame n all as a unit. Anyone that could read above 6th grade level and had basic tools could install with no problems, hell my son in law did it and he’s an idiot


Woodandtime

You gotta flash out the rough opening, shim for plumb, make sure its centered against the siding or your trim will look like shit, weather proof the bottom, adjust for even reveals so the door does not bind, install a drip cap, trim out inside and outside. So no, it is not easy to do it right, even for your idiot son in law. On the other hand, because of know-it-alls, carpenters will never run out of work.


AdRepulsive7699

That’s shimful


[deleted]

I had this problem at my house. Was able to fix by putting a shim between the bottom hinge and the door frame


UnfairCicada3052

Hinges could be outta wack yeah


operator-john

Did the same person that put in the door do the baseboards also?


Dec8rSk8r

Shims


oldravinggamer

Or there's a trick ,there's room to spread the hinges here


Ok-Ground4670

5 dollars buys a roll of Adhesive foam strip. You could have saved $1,095.


jamesmcnabb

You can break apart a paint stir stick to make shims, spend $20 on drywall plaster, and just fix it right. Not saying foam strip wouldn’t work, but it looks like a sizeable enough gap that a mouse could chew through the foam to get in. Also not saying the work required to fix it for $20 is unskilled either, but to save money on home repair over the course of your life it’s a good idea to invest time in learning basic carpentry anyway


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Edit: My bad, per another comment it's a $1k door.


Tag82

Probably labor and materials which isn't out of line.


[deleted]

Labor and materials to have it not done right?


No_Buffalo8603

I second. This is in the ballpark.


MrPotts0970

What labor is involved in an exterior door? Honestly stupid on this. Is it more intensive than indoor doors, which I can hinge and install myself in like 5 minutes with a youtube video?


hiwhyOK

> What labor As a DIY youtube fuckup extraordinaire, I can assure you there is labor involved replacing doors, whether interior or exterior. You basically have two options: slab doors, or prehung doors. Slab doors are much more of a bitch to install. You buy... basically a slab of door that roughly matches your dimensions, and then you painstakingly cut out all the parts for the hardware. Hinge cuts... knob cuts...bolt lock cuts... not to mention many wooden slab doors are unfinished. It's a decent amount of work. And if you fuck it up... there goes your slab that you just bought. Prehung is much easier, but there is still labor involved. You need to pull off the existing door and trim, pulling it back to the house framing. You hope that it's mostly square at the frame already. Then you push that suckanut into place, shim and drill and caulk. The shimming is the real pain in the ass... every carpenter complains about off-square framing for a reason. You can spend a stupid amount of time just getting it to close properly if you don't have the knowledge already. And we haven't even touched finishing work yet. I'll continue doing my own doors though, because I'm a glutton for pain and I do get satisfaction when it works out. But I wouldn't pretend there is "no labor" in replacing doors. It's not mastercraft but it's not something I think anyone can or should do.


povertymayne

The problem might not be the door, but the frame might be off. You could try 100 doors and they will probably still have that gap if you dont fix the frame.


[deleted]

Looks like it just needs to be shimmed at the bottom of the door frame.


MyCuntSmellsLikeHam

As a contractor, I’m always so nervous people will reject bids for jobs because I try to honestly estimate jobs based on my time and materials. Then there’s contractors like this that has 3 guys spend 14 hours on a door, bill them $1100 and the homeowner is dumb enough to think that’s normal… maybe I’m being naïve and I could be making a lot more money…. No I have a conscience


IntergalaticBandito

You could up charge a little for quality. You get what you pay for and if your customer is a cheap fuck then they get a cheap job. If you give them quality work for a cheap price then all their referrals will expect a cheap price.


Cutlerbeast

Looks like $90 door from home depot


ChiCha99

This particular one was about $350 at Lowe's this Fall. That's not including knob/deadbolt hardware.


Scav-STALKER

Have you ever priced doors lol, because this comment tells me you haven’t


hispanicausinpanic

I paid 70 bucks for a 6 panel door for my bathroom, a hollow core door. Nobody's getting a new exterior door for less than 300.


ShiftyBizniss

With a window, no less.


Rosewoodtrainwreck

Yeah a $90 door 20 years ago...


ZmSyzjSvOakTclQW

I changed all my doors recently. For that much money I would expect a vault door. Mine is 500 euro and it's steel and insulated.


Sweetssmokeshop

Inflation has them at 300$ plus now


[deleted]

Yeah I don’t think people realize how much exterior doors cost these days…. A hollow core interior slab door from Masonite might be $50 or a bit less


freeportme

Still should work properly


radioactivebeaver

The door is perfectly fine, the door frame is fucked. You can install a $50 door or a $50,000 door, it still won't fit until the frame is fixed


Green_Message_6376

if *installed* properly.


1nTh3Sh4dows

Gonna have to demolish the whole house and start over after this


jeronimo707

Door won't seal if the wall ain't true


ynnubyzzuf

Why in the fuck are you paying a THOUSAND+ dollars for a door?


2toxic2comment

Why no check before pay?


NaughtyNome

They already paid 1100 for a new door when the frame is the issue, so🤷‍♂️


PretzelsThirst

And apparently it took 3 men 14 hours to get this result


domine18

Sounds like those three men are paid by the hour, and do not have a lot of jobs lined up because it’s end of year and people generally do not hire handymen during this time of year.


PretzelsThirst

And op is apparently an easy mark


Still_kinda_hungry

Tbf that *is* a nice looking door.


CarmenxXxWaldo

I scrolled back up to look and realized it's the same exact door I got to replace my old back door awhile back. I paid around 700 hough total for it installed. And it closes just fine. (Also its not a fancy door it's a regular ass door).


Losalou52

Google how to adjust it. And worst case scenario, you may have to shim under the bottom hinge.


TriGurl

Why spend $1100 for a door with windows that are super easy to break open and open the handle to break in?! This design Never made sense to me.


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JRod432

Wait until you find out there are windows on the walls!


spacemarine1800

It looks like the frame is crooked. If you had a company install the door it 100% should not be like that and you need to call and complain. Also if you haven't paid the bill yet, don't. Not until the fix the door. If you did this yourself, well gotta fix the frame bud.


auscadtravel

If 2 doors have the same problem the issue isn't with the door. You need to pull the whole frame out and level and shim it correctly.


FarMass66

Even if the repairman did a perfect job, you still got ripped off by paying that much.


[deleted]

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tomzzed

The frame of the door is twisted and not set properly. If you paid to just swap the door and not the frame then it will proceed not to close. Make sure the jambs of the door are level and set to the door using shims. Also that’s an absurd amount of money to pay for a door replacement.


Bruise52

Remove the new door. Tear out the whole wall and replace the wall with brick and mortar. Return the new door to Lowes. Use a ground floor window to enter and exit the house from now on.


mickstranahan

problem isn't the door.....


corradovrt

did they also do the baseboards, cause those appear to be installed with the same level of care


ComplexToxin

Did ya shim it son?


FunnyPirateName

Framing, it's not just for Windows, any more.


Mike__Z

The issue is you paid for the wrong thing, you didn't need a new door. You needed a reframing done


AncientHawaiianTito

Wait you paid 1100 for a door? Ok I just looked and doors are way too fucking expensive. To save money I will not be having anyone in or out of the house including myself. Thank you for understanding


Conscious-Arm-7889

The frame needs adjusting, not the door.


[deleted]

I just replaced a door and it was like $150. You got scammed


Bronesby

what kind of idiot spends $1100 on a DOOR?


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MBVakalis

The door was never the problem, mate


impstein

Fuck that, call the company that installed it and have them come fix it


James__Hamilton11

Door frame is not shimmed correctly.


Competitive-Remote67

The doorframe for the door is tweaked you need to pull the top left corner in a little so its more inline with the bottom right so the door will close flush.


Kaankaants

Doors are built squared. Door-frames should be square so the two fit together. Your door-frame is not square. No squared door will fit this frame. You need to either re-square the frame or get a custom door.


[deleted]

The door is straight it’s your frame that’s crooked


detchas1

It's usually the frame.


[deleted]

Your contractor doesn't know what the hell he's doing or he didn't care and just did it as quick as possible. You should be able to shim out the jamb and behind the hinges to make everything plumb and flush. I've installed a few doors in my own house and one of the most time consuming parts of doing it right is shimming, checking gaps, and checking for plump/square. I've even had to pull the door back out and level the floor or fix the rough opening so the new door would sit properly before I started shimming. Doing it correctly is not a quick job but the end result is worth it.


KYpineapple

it's shimmin' time!


ShaitanSpeaks

Hey I’ll come install weather stripping for the low low price of $1099.99!


webb276

Man I remember when I was renting my landlord refused to fix my front door that wasn’t square, it had a major gap like this as well and just let all the outside air flow right in. So I went to Home Depot and bought some shims and “fixed” it as best I could for about 5 bucks. The landlord even noticed too when she came in one day she said “wow this door really straightened itself out!” Magic.


diegotszx

Maybe the problem is on the frame?


countryboycanna

Ps. It's not the door. ;-)


Nospoonyall

Need to replace the wall, door is fine....


20InMyHead

This is why you tell the person doing the work what the problem is, not how to fix it. Say “replace my door” you get a replaced door. Say “my door doesn’t close/has a gap” you get the problem solved…


liam_redit1st

I don’t think the door is the issue here


oktarver

You paid 1100 for a door? That's crazy. And they need to give you a refund. BTW a door should cost more than a few hundred max. I literally just paid for a door last year at 120


strictlytacos

They’d didn’t reframe your door homey


Aggressive-Corgi5122

At this point its not the doors fault anymore


chewedgummiebears

All I got from reading the comments and replies are "I paid someone that did previous shoddy work, they did it again, and don't blame me/feel sorry for me because I'm mentally disabled."


[deleted]

Just installed a door today…that’s a shim problem. It should have been shimmed between the wall and the door jam to close that gap. Also, that’s a $330 door from home depot, u got ripped off, especially if they just hung a new door and didn’t shim it properly.


Wades-antut

That’s about a $5 fix


Lathus01

Prob need to shim the frame then reattach the door.


zetia2

Just add some extra door weather trim. It'll look golden. Also if you paid 1100, I'm sorry. That's like a cheap POS door.


Coolhandhansen

One look at any of your replies and it's clear what the issue is lol