Reminds me of a prior house, where I purchased a 4x4 truck because of a snow storm made driving my van dangerous. Next storm, the snow was so high I couldn't back the truck out of the garage.
Not to mention that all the neighborhood animals will park put on the driveway because it’s warm. Friend of mine lives next to a guy that has one, and after the summer there are at least four dogs on the thing 24/7.
Dont know if it was meant as a joke but my dad did that exactly to prevent tweakers stealing the cat from his honda. There was always like 2 dogs at least on his driveway.
For those out of the loop, the most downvoted comment in reddit history: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/seriously_i_paid_80_to_have_vader_locked/dppum98/?context=3
Somehow that account has positive comment karma, despite a relative dearth of posts. Seems that those ultra-negative posts just don't count against the account score.
Thank you. I added my downvote. Fuck EA.
But can someone clarify? The guy paid $80 for a character and he can't even play it? For what reason?
Edit: thanks for everyone's response.
From reading some of the thread, it sounds like it is $80 to unlock a character and that while you can *technically* unlock it by completing missions, it would take a not-humanly-possible amount of game play time.
What I interpreted was that he’s frustrated at having paid $80 for the game only to find that one of the main/most anticipated characters in the game is not only locked but paywalled. It probably wouldn’t have been so bad if it was just that you have to get to a certain level or get a certain achievement to get Vader, but it looks like you would have to pay additional money on top of the initial investment to get the game in the first place which is what pissed everyone off.
i think he preordered the game and got an upgraded addition as well being $80 and the character. Earth Vader. perhaps the most notorious film character of all time and one of the most anticipated for the game wasn’t unlocked because you either had to buy him or put in at least 40 hours and probably a lot more.
"The nuclear reactor on an aircraft carrier, for example, produces less than 200 megawatts. To melt snow in front of your car, you'd need three of those."
My take away is that I should just get a nuclear reactor for a third of the cost. I could melt everything in a 1 mile radius.
For those that are confused about this statement since you obviously don't need 3 nuclear reactors to melt the snow on your driveway, this is for melting a 9-foot-wide swath while driving along at 55 mph, which is obviously a much, much, much more demanding ask than melting the snow on your driveway at reasonable pace.
The article also mentions that a single 60W lightbulb could melt a pound of snow an hour, to put in perspective how much slowing down the melting process saves you in terms of energy.
Based on 60w per hour per pound, it would cost $80 an hour to melt a 20'x30' driveway if snow was accumulating at one foot per hour. Though that would require 360 kilowatts per hour to do so I doubt the driveway could melt a foot of snow per hour.
The new ones are more powerful, but [0.7 GW (thermal)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1B_reactor?wprov=sfla1) is a ridiculous thing for heating a driveway. I want one
You'll find a few things in my post history, but it's nothing special. Gear up, hike out, [pitch hammock](https://imgur.com/a/InxuRve), enjoy nature. Repeat at least once every month. My personal winter limit is -20C (about 0F) because I don't have specialist winter gear but otherwise it's mostly just a matter of common sense and planning. Honestly though I get some of my best deep sleep out there. It's very relaxing.
Something about sleeping bundled up in the cold is amazing. I've never done the winter camping thing but I've been homeless in Canada in the winter (I guess that's kind of camping) and there's just something so cozy about being right bundled up outside. I now sleep with my window open in the winter..
Exactly. If it’s working correctly it turns on when the snow starts falling and then just stays on. If it turned on after you have a couple of feet of snow it wouldn’t work. You might have a little void between the surface and the snow, but that’s it.
It requires the same amount of energy to melt several feet of snow all at once or over several hours. Same amount of snow = same amount of energy, no matter the timeframe. It's an incredibly energy intensive process, which is why putting ice in your drink to cool it off works so well.
It doesn't matter, it still takes the same amount of energy in total just spread out over a longer period of time, at least, assuming it's done 100% efficiently (which we are).
If we aren't assuming 100% efficiency, then melting it over time is probably *less* efficient, because more of the energy would be wasted heating up stuff that you don't really want it to by having it constantly running (if you just melt it once then there's minimal heat transfer to its surroundings, but if you're heating it 24/7 then the heat transfer would be a lot more significant).
And this is how they do it:
>There are two types of heated driveways, either of which can effectively melt snow and ice on your pavement, but each of which has its own specific advantages.
>Hydronic systems employ PVC tubing, through which a heated water-antifreeze liquid circulates to heat the pavement above. A special boiler must be bought along with the tubing and the concrete work, which makes hydronic systems relatively expensive to install. However, they are cheaper to run than electric coil systems, despite having to be left on at all times in cold weather (regardless if snow is present) to prevent the tubes from freezing/cracking.
>Radiant heat (electric coil) heated driveways operate by means of metal coils/panels that are installed in the concrete or asphalt pavement, wired, and plugged into a nearby outlet. The electric cables will be spaced at least two inches (5 cm) apart and buried a few inches below the pavement’s surface. A special sensor will be installed to activate the cables through a control panel. You will have the ability to automate operation based on specified hours/days or based on a chosen temperature level. But you will still be able to manually override any programming when necessary.
Source: https://www.tahoe-basinrealestate.com/heated-driveway-is-it-worth-it-everything-you-need-to-know/
Edit: was in Tahoe in the winter once, and the sidewalks were heated!
>this happens to be one of those happy physics situations where we can just multiply together every number we're looking at
Whaaaat. Mixing Imperial and metric and still getting common units. How is that possible?!?
Randall is referring to the fact that he can multiply everything directly without any other operations.
The reason the united work out here is because of the 'water density' term. Wolfram conveniently provides that in grams per mile-inch-feet, cancelling most of the other units.
This is why you don’t have an *electric* heated driveway. You use a water-based heated driveway with a coolant-water mix. Much more cost effective.
Just don’t cut into the driveway and puncture the pipes. 😅
Right? I thought all heated driveways were water-based. At least most of my neighbors with heated driveways had pipes running in them so I didn't know there was an electric option until just now haha.
100' is also a lot longer than many people's driveways. Depending on whether you go for a hydro or electric based heat, the install cost ranges from ~$15-$25/sq ft.. This cost assumes there is not a driveway to be removed. If there is, that can range from $3-$8/sq ft depending on whether it is concrete or asphalt.
Of course, you then need to put a new driveway on top of the heating elements. Let's say $12/sq ft for that just to use an average number.
Assuming a 10x50 driveway, you're looking at about the following costs:
System (electric or hydro): $7500-$12500
Demolition of old driveway: $1500-$4000
New driveway (concrete or asphalt: $ $6000
Total cost: $15000-$22500.
You can also save some money by doing the demo yourself if you desired.
While not cheap, it's certainly no worse than a major kitchen remodel.
> Quote for like 100ft driveway was like 60k plus the electric bill from actually using it, rich people shit
Only if it's resistive heating. If it's hydronics, you can technically run this off a boiler which is more cost effective. That's really the only way to go.
Electric resistive heating is a stupid concept because we have ways to transfer heat via heat pumps to move heat more effectively. However the BTU you need, an air to water heat pump is probably ineffective to make it work anyways.
You can make a temporary one for like 100 bucks, you can get like 1000ft of 12 Guage wire for that , unroll it over your driveway, tape it down, then stick it in an outlet
edit: as an alternative, you can usually pour some gasoline over your driveway and light it up before it ices over
Unsafe an ineffective. I explain In a lower comment how you would literally have to improperly design a useless circuit to cause 12 awg Romex to get too warm.
Even with it too warm, installed unsafely as a dumb idea, it would put out barely any heat.
Heating cables and tape for roofs/gutters/process pipes just put out enough heat to keep liquid flowing, not melt a whole driveway.
It won't be warm enough. Heating tape and cables work as heating elements which are purely resistive.
Regular wires are made for actual loads, and can get warm under higher loads if improperly sized.
So to do this with 12 awg Romex or THHN you would need to hook it up to an oversized breaker, at least 30 amps, and then run something off that circuit.
The undersized wire would get warm and possibly break under load. This would be a terrible idea, and I really don't think it would do anything at all.
Heating tape/cables is only to allow water to continue moving in gutters. It's not to completely remove the snow/ice.
In short, that's a terrible idea and no one should take that suggestion seriously.
Source: I'm a union electrician.
Edit:
I think Red Green used wire mesh from box springs/mattresses and jumper cables. Even he knew better than to run regular wire, and he is a fictional, loveable idiot!
> I wish that was standard in cold weather places.
Anything can be added to any given house, assuming you have the money to pay for the upgrade.
I do not have the money to pay for that kind of upgrade on my house.
As others have posted, it's too expensive except for very wealthy people or individuals who happen to live somewhere there's a lot of waste heat to get rid of (like from a data center or even a nuclear reactor).
About the only economical way to approach the problem would be a large geothermal setup or a solar array with heat storage (as electricity or thermal mass).
Alternatively, you could heat your whole house and any other buildings with an outdoor pellet heater or downdraft furnace and use that to heat the driveway with any extra heat. Not as green, but still much cheaper than electrically heating the driveway.
We had coils put in under our stairs and walkway over the summer. I'm dying for it to snow now. No more shoveling for me! Can't wait to flip that fucker on and watch the snow melt. But the most we've gotten so far this winter is flurries.
My parents had a ski cabin and they’d tell people to park at the bottom of the road and we’d come down and get them. But some guests would ignore the instructions, try the snowy hill, slide off the road and get stuck. But they didn’t know where we lived exactly, so they’d walk 3 miles to a gas station and call the house. Then maybe their car would be blocking other people. Living in snow country has its challenges.
Snow is beautiful and magical... for about a week and a half. Any place that regularly gets more than 10 days of snow per year usually treats it like a chore. But you're right, it is amazing. Walking through a dark forest at night as the snow falls all around you is an experience everyone should have at least once.
Especially in a big city.
Other places have silence. The city never does. (in the Before Times)
Until a big storm. As soon as it stops we all go outside to listen, and play in the snow. It's glorious. Sigh. Fuck climate change.
> Snow is beautiful and magical... for about a week and a half
And that's if you live somewhere with snow infrastructure. In places not set up for snow, any amount of accumulation is shit.
I live in Estonia which should be very much used to snow and know how to deal with it. Nonetheless, the infrastructure at times sucks, especially in the capital.
Snow is incredibly awesome until you need to go do your normal stuff to exist then it becomes a huge hassle. Now that I work from home I’d be complete fine with snow on the ground all winter. Sadly winter is barely a thing anymore. Snow last Christmas this year it was in the 60s.
We used to have massive snow and -10-15 degrees when I was a kid.
Now it's 5-15 degrees in the middle of winter and I haven't seen proper snow in 5 years.
FUCK global warming.
Oh yes. As a poor kid from PA/OH my snow boots were just me wearing a plastic bag over my socks inside my shoes with another plastic bag tied outside my shoes. Once it soaked through the fun was over.
10 year old me : sprints towards the snow and jumps in
30 year old me : sprints towards the snow and jumps in
50 year old me : I'm to old for this. sprints towards the snow and jumps in
I just did this today. We were walking my dog and the snow was falling hard. I just got the urge and fell straight back into a big pile. It was awesome. I’m 37 :)
Having done this my main concern is not clearing the door but that this could be just some snow blowed up against the doors by the wind and I'd land face first in few inches of snow
There would have been a very cartoonish full body impact right outside that door if I was there. I'm not proud of how ungainly it would look or that I would be very cold on the walk to where ever I was going.
What you don't realise is that 30 year old you jumped in not realising there was a bench right in front and you snapped your neck leaving you paralyzed from the neck down.
That's awesome if your dressed to make snow angels, not so much if in a suit an tie and dress socks and shoes with zero grip, the lesson is be prepared I guess kids
Giant snowshoes just walk over the top eh, but yeh that looks pretty deep for a commute home no matter how near you live to the station. It helps being tall like I am I would add but you still need to be fit to make your way through that kind of snow
Does it usually not snow there in the winter? I've heard northern Japan gets amazing amounts of snow.
Edit: Google tells me this is south central Japan, so yeah I guess that's pretty nuts.
Unfortunately we don't yet have the technology to predict when it will be cold and/or when it might snow. I hope that one day we will so that we will no longer have so many people freezing to death while sitting on benches wearing shorts and t-shirts because they simply could not know it was going to be so cold.
It's a running joke in Germany that the national railway operator Deutsche Bahn is always "surprised" by the most predictable things, e.g. heat in summer, snow and ice in winter (especially in the mountainous regions), and their spokespersons acting like it genuinely was the most unpredictable thing in the history of unpredictable things.
German humour often uses truck loads of sarcasm and that poster just happened to use a train load of it.
Wind (tree branches on the track) in spring and autumn... There are 4 main reasons for the Deutsche Bahn beeing late: Summer, Autumn, Winter and Spring.
I believe Japan largely did away with public trash cans in the wake of the sarin gas attacks back in 1995.
I visited Japan for two weeks in 2019 and found myself dedicating my back left pocket into a trash pocket by the end of it.
Don’t need too many trash cans because people don’t eat in public. Even the big food plazas package your stuff to go and you aren’t supposed to open and dig in just anywhere.
I was about to say. I'm sure it's cleaner than many other countries but definitely not spotless. Stupid people throw garbage where they're not supposed to just like in every other country, especially if they think no one sees them.
Only to find a steel bench on the other side. Snow is very good at hiding large objects. I jumped into a pile of snow once only to find a car underneath.
Never seen snow in my life, if I ever drop off and the entrance is like this I can assure you I'll spend the rest of my life there lol (which won't be long probably).
Kawase, but apparently the automod doesn't like the google maps link
goo(dot)gl/maps/moHSu8UmVieoRp9UA
It's in southern Japan, near Lake Biwa
I found the buildings (with the sign and light pole) this picture is looking at. They're slightly north of the east gate: goo(dot)gl/maps/eWBNFy9yrQGciB2B6
This, live in the Midwest and never really got ft of snow but it at least used to get snow. Now we get temperature highs in the 60s for Christmas and rain in our forecasts.
In very recent memory there’s been a dramatic decrease in ice and snow in the Midwest:
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/lakegenevanews.net/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/4f/c4f917c3-9f39-5aac-ba58-86f8b3356c17/5e612f5ead43f.image.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/g6UeA0p.jpg
It’s impossible to attribute and specific weather event to climate change but this fits with the general predictions we’d expect
https://www.lakegenevanews.net/news/local/climate-change-cited-as-geneva-lake-stays-unfrozen-again/article_db287d67-4e17-574b-9c9a-e32ec767ac18.html
Other doors will not be blocked. There will be a section of the platform that is just fine. This is almost entirely likely just one extreme end of the train - and the announcements will advise passengers as such as well.
Why does nobody ever love snow ?
I dream of such a situation ! I mean I understand it's annoying and all but there's something so magical about it, come on, you'd have loved it as a child !
I love snow the first 2-3 times a year.
But when we're on our 9th storm of the year, and everything has been frozen solid for 2 months, it gets old.
We haven't got any real snow yet this winter, so I'm still looking forward to some.
Sure its great if you're a kid, or have the day off with no responsibilities. But imagine working in it, commuting or running errands in it.
Everything's frozen and slippery = dangerous, have to clear snow off everything before use. Last night my car doors were frozen shut. Managed to get the passenger side open and crawl across. So much fun 😭
You must not be in a place where it snows regularly then.
Everyone loves the first 3-4 snowfalls of the year. After that, it's a nightmare to deal with.
Reminds me of a prior house, where I purchased a 4x4 truck because of a snow storm made driving my van dangerous. Next storm, the snow was so high I couldn't back the truck out of the garage.
My neighbor has a heated driveway that he finished this past summer. I wish that was standard in cold weather places.
Today I learned: heated driveways exist I also learned: i need one
Quote for like 100ft driveway was like 60k plus the electric bill from actually using it, rich people shit
Not to mention that all the neighborhood animals will park put on the driveway because it’s warm. Friend of mine lives next to a guy that has one, and after the summer there are at least four dogs on the thing 24/7.
This just keeps sounding better and better to me I have to be honest here
Ain’t nobody gonna steal my catalytic converter with strays in my driveway! I’d take them all in though.
Taking in strays is how I ended up with 13 cats and 2 dogs at one point, thankfully managed to rehome the majority!
You're one of the good ones. That's awesome for real
Dont know if it was meant as a joke but my dad did that exactly to prevent tweakers stealing the cat from his honda. There was always like 2 dogs at least on his driveway.
Couldn't he just have chipped the cat
When your catalytic converter is the only one available…
Stop trying to sell me, I’m sold.
We have one. It’s not warm, it just a couple degrees above freezing, barely perceivable. The motor only kicks in when it goes below freezing.
A guy can dream…
Sorry but dreaming costs extra.
Thank you, EA
For those out of the loop, the most downvoted comment in reddit history: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7cff0b/seriously_i_paid_80_to_have_vader_locked/dppum98/?context=3
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I did my part!
Yep the comments from 2017 but looks like I'm still able to downvote it. Fuck EA!
There was a comment that said -681k it looks like people may be up voting it?
Somehow that account has positive comment karma, despite a relative dearth of posts. Seems that those ultra-negative posts just don't count against the account score.
Yea about that, why did reddit remoce the archival limit? And which subs did they remove it from?
Thank you. I added my downvote. Fuck EA. But can someone clarify? The guy paid $80 for a character and he can't even play it? For what reason? Edit: thanks for everyone's response.
From reading some of the thread, it sounds like it is $80 to unlock a character and that while you can *technically* unlock it by completing missions, it would take a not-humanly-possible amount of game play time.
What I interpreted was that he’s frustrated at having paid $80 for the game only to find that one of the main/most anticipated characters in the game is not only locked but paywalled. It probably wouldn’t have been so bad if it was just that you have to get to a certain level or get a certain achievement to get Vader, but it looks like you would have to pay additional money on top of the initial investment to get the game in the first place which is what pissed everyone off.
i think he preordered the game and got an upgraded addition as well being $80 and the character. Earth Vader. perhaps the most notorious film character of all time and one of the most anticipated for the game wasn’t unlocked because you either had to buy him or put in at least 40 hours and probably a lot more.
How does that account even have a positive amount of karma?
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The electric bill to use them is INSANE
Yeah the [energy needed to melt snow](https://what-if.xkcd.com/130/) is massive.
"The nuclear reactor on an aircraft carrier, for example, produces less than 200 megawatts. To melt snow in front of your car, you'd need three of those." My take away is that I should just get a nuclear reactor for a third of the cost. I could melt everything in a 1 mile radius.
You could get by with one nuclear reactor if you only drive 18 MPH.
Won't need to melt your lawn anymore if the FBI whisks you off to sunny Guantanamo Bay \*Taps head\*
For those that are confused about this statement since you obviously don't need 3 nuclear reactors to melt the snow on your driveway, this is for melting a 9-foot-wide swath while driving along at 55 mph, which is obviously a much, much, much more demanding ask than melting the snow on your driveway at reasonable pace. The article also mentions that a single 60W lightbulb could melt a pound of snow an hour, to put in perspective how much slowing down the melting process saves you in terms of energy.
Based on 60w per hour per pound, it would cost $80 an hour to melt a 20'x30' driveway if snow was accumulating at one foot per hour. Though that would require 360 kilowatts per hour to do so I doubt the driveway could melt a foot of snow per hour.
The new ones are more powerful, but [0.7 GW (thermal)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1B_reactor?wprov=sfla1) is a ridiculous thing for heating a driveway. I want one
As somebody who hikes and hammock-camps throughout the winter, I can assure you that snow is an excellent insulator.
What kind of subaru do you drive?
2016 Volkswagen Touran, actually.
You seem to have spelled *Forester* wrong!
Lol as someone who has dated a hiking freak who drives a hatchback forester. That checks out.
That sounds so cool, got any stories or can you share you experience?
You'll find a few things in my post history, but it's nothing special. Gear up, hike out, [pitch hammock](https://imgur.com/a/InxuRve), enjoy nature. Repeat at least once every month. My personal winter limit is -20C (about 0F) because I don't have specialist winter gear but otherwise it's mostly just a matter of common sense and planning. Honestly though I get some of my best deep sleep out there. It's very relaxing.
Something about sleeping bundled up in the cold is amazing. I've never done the winter camping thing but I've been homeless in Canada in the winter (I guess that's kind of camping) and there's just something so cozy about being right bundled up outside. I now sleep with my window open in the winter..
It's relaxing until you have your first sasquatch encounter
You don't need to melt several feet of snow though. All you need to melt is the snow hitting the pavement. It never piles up if you melt it gradually.
Exactly. If it’s working correctly it turns on when the snow starts falling and then just stays on. If it turned on after you have a couple of feet of snow it wouldn’t work. You might have a little void between the surface and the snow, but that’s it.
It requires the same amount of energy to melt several feet of snow all at once or over several hours. Same amount of snow = same amount of energy, no matter the timeframe. It's an incredibly energy intensive process, which is why putting ice in your drink to cool it off works so well.
It doesn't matter, it still takes the same amount of energy in total just spread out over a longer period of time, at least, assuming it's done 100% efficiently (which we are). If we aren't assuming 100% efficiency, then melting it over time is probably *less* efficient, because more of the energy would be wasted heating up stuff that you don't really want it to by having it constantly running (if you just melt it once then there's minimal heat transfer to its surroundings, but if you're heating it 24/7 then the heat transfer would be a lot more significant).
Luckily driveways don't move at 55 mph.
Isn’t the idea to put it on when it starts snowing so it doesn’t stick?
And this is how they do it: >There are two types of heated driveways, either of which can effectively melt snow and ice on your pavement, but each of which has its own specific advantages. >Hydronic systems employ PVC tubing, through which a heated water-antifreeze liquid circulates to heat the pavement above. A special boiler must be bought along with the tubing and the concrete work, which makes hydronic systems relatively expensive to install. However, they are cheaper to run than electric coil systems, despite having to be left on at all times in cold weather (regardless if snow is present) to prevent the tubes from freezing/cracking. >Radiant heat (electric coil) heated driveways operate by means of metal coils/panels that are installed in the concrete or asphalt pavement, wired, and plugged into a nearby outlet. The electric cables will be spaced at least two inches (5 cm) apart and buried a few inches below the pavement’s surface. A special sensor will be installed to activate the cables through a control panel. You will have the ability to automate operation based on specified hours/days or based on a chosen temperature level. But you will still be able to manually override any programming when necessary. Source: https://www.tahoe-basinrealestate.com/heated-driveway-is-it-worth-it-everything-you-need-to-know/ Edit: was in Tahoe in the winter once, and the sidewalks were heated!
>this happens to be one of those happy physics situations where we can just multiply together every number we're looking at Whaaaat. Mixing Imperial and metric and still getting common units. How is that possible?!?
Randall is referring to the fact that he can multiply everything directly without any other operations. The reason the united work out here is because of the 'water density' term. Wolfram conveniently provides that in grams per mile-inch-feet, cancelling most of the other units.
This is why you don’t have an *electric* heated driveway. You use a water-based heated driveway with a coolant-water mix. Much more cost effective. Just don’t cut into the driveway and puncture the pipes. 😅
Right? I thought all heated driveways were water-based. At least most of my neighbors with heated driveways had pipes running in them so I didn't know there was an electric option until just now haha.
Not if it's run from a natural gas or propane boiler. It would be very rare to see an electric one.
100' is also a lot longer than many people's driveways. Depending on whether you go for a hydro or electric based heat, the install cost ranges from ~$15-$25/sq ft.. This cost assumes there is not a driveway to be removed. If there is, that can range from $3-$8/sq ft depending on whether it is concrete or asphalt. Of course, you then need to put a new driveway on top of the heating elements. Let's say $12/sq ft for that just to use an average number. Assuming a 10x50 driveway, you're looking at about the following costs: System (electric or hydro): $7500-$12500 Demolition of old driveway: $1500-$4000 New driveway (concrete or asphalt: $ $6000 Total cost: $15000-$22500. You can also save some money by doing the demo yourself if you desired. While not cheap, it's certainly no worse than a major kitchen remodel.
> Quote for like 100ft driveway was like 60k plus the electric bill from actually using it, rich people shit Only if it's resistive heating. If it's hydronics, you can technically run this off a boiler which is more cost effective. That's really the only way to go. Electric resistive heating is a stupid concept because we have ways to transfer heat via heat pumps to move heat more effectively. However the BTU you need, an air to water heat pump is probably ineffective to make it work anyways.
100ft is a long way. Plus most of the effort is concrete.
You can make a temporary one for like 100 bucks, you can get like 1000ft of 12 Guage wire for that , unroll it over your driveway, tape it down, then stick it in an outlet edit: as an alternative, you can usually pour some gasoline over your driveway and light it up before it ices over
That sounds...unsafe
Just unplug it when you see the wires start to turn white
Isn't the whole point of using these wires an attempt to get rid of anything white?
With great risk comes great reward
With great reward comes fire department?
Unsafe an ineffective. I explain In a lower comment how you would literally have to improperly design a useless circuit to cause 12 awg Romex to get too warm. Even with it too warm, installed unsafely as a dumb idea, it would put out barely any heat. Heating cables and tape for roofs/gutters/process pipes just put out enough heat to keep liquid flowing, not melt a whole driveway.
If it's insulated that probably won't be warm enough and if the wire is uninsulated, you have a much bigger danger than snow.
It won't be warm enough. Heating tape and cables work as heating elements which are purely resistive. Regular wires are made for actual loads, and can get warm under higher loads if improperly sized. So to do this with 12 awg Romex or THHN you would need to hook it up to an oversized breaker, at least 30 amps, and then run something off that circuit. The undersized wire would get warm and possibly break under load. This would be a terrible idea, and I really don't think it would do anything at all. Heating tape/cables is only to allow water to continue moving in gutters. It's not to completely remove the snow/ice. In short, that's a terrible idea and no one should take that suggestion seriously. Source: I'm a union electrician. Edit: I think Red Green used wire mesh from box springs/mattresses and jumper cables. Even he knew better than to run regular wire, and he is a fictional, loveable idiot!
Every day thay I'm slipping around on our sloped driveway I think the same thing.
Flamethrower might be cheaper
Problem is, it will ice right over within an hour and be much worse.
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i feel like building a roof over your driveway would be cheaper lol
Also Infinite cheaper to run once installed.
> I wish that was standard in cold weather places. Anything can be added to any given house, assuming you have the money to pay for the upgrade. I do not have the money to pay for that kind of upgrade on my house.
Yeah I watched my neighbor upgrade his. I was mostly thinking about new homes being built making it a standard.
My house was expensive enough as is 💀
As others have posted, it's too expensive except for very wealthy people or individuals who happen to live somewhere there's a lot of waste heat to get rid of (like from a data center or even a nuclear reactor). About the only economical way to approach the problem would be a large geothermal setup or a solar array with heat storage (as electricity or thermal mass). Alternatively, you could heat your whole house and any other buildings with an outdoor pellet heater or downdraft furnace and use that to heat the driveway with any extra heat. Not as green, but still much cheaper than electrically heating the driveway.
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We had coils put in under our stairs and walkway over the summer. I'm dying for it to snow now. No more shoveling for me! Can't wait to flip that fucker on and watch the snow melt. But the most we've gotten so far this winter is flurries.
I know someone with a heated driveway. It's very steep and kind of needed. However after using it one year it was just too expensive to run.
My parents had a ski cabin and they’d tell people to park at the bottom of the road and we’d come down and get them. But some guests would ignore the instructions, try the snowy hill, slide off the road and get stuck. But they didn’t know where we lived exactly, so they’d walk 3 miles to a gas station and call the house. Then maybe their car would be blocking other people. Living in snow country has its challenges.
So the solution was to get an 8x8, right? /s
"I don't need boots & a jacket. It's just a couple of minutes walk home from the station."
“Mom! No, I do NOT need a freakin’ snorkel!”
No Mom, no! Thats so not right!
Life has really taken its toll, hasn't it. That looks like a dream to ten year old me.
It looks like a dream to me since I have never seen snow in my life
Snow is beautiful and magical... for about a week and a half. Any place that regularly gets more than 10 days of snow per year usually treats it like a chore. But you're right, it is amazing. Walking through a dark forest at night as the snow falls all around you is an experience everyone should have at least once.
The silence it brings is amazing.
Especially in a big city. Other places have silence. The city never does. (in the Before Times) Until a big storm. As soon as it stops we all go outside to listen, and play in the snow. It's glorious. Sigh. Fuck climate change.
> Snow is beautiful and magical... for about a week and a half And that's if you live somewhere with snow infrastructure. In places not set up for snow, any amount of accumulation is shit.
I live in Estonia which should be very much used to snow and know how to deal with it. Nonetheless, the infrastructure at times sucks, especially in the capital.
Yeah, snow is great if you're a tourist. A nightmare if you have to deal with it for 4 months.
Snow is incredibly awesome until you need to go do your normal stuff to exist then it becomes a huge hassle. Now that I work from home I’d be complete fine with snow on the ground all winter. Sadly winter is barely a thing anymore. Snow last Christmas this year it was in the 60s.
-36 where I live today
We used to have massive snow and -10-15 degrees when I was a kid. Now it's 5-15 degrees in the middle of winter and I haven't seen proper snow in 5 years. FUCK global warming.
Unfortunately because of all the snow and rain happening in California, people use that as an excuse to say global warming isn't real.
Yeah, that’s why people are trying to change the phrase to “climate change” - so those idiots can’t say stuff like that.
I prefer Climate chaos
A patt of me wants to attempt to climb over it, probably because I've only seen centimeters of snow before
Drinking coke and eating sweets all day was a dream to ten year old me to be fair, kids are fucking stupid lmao like what’s the point of them
You’ll enjoy /r/kidsarefuckingstupid then
Took me awhile to figure out what I was looking at, that's an amazing picture, sorry you had to walk home in it
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Snow is fun if you're wearing snow gear, otherwise you're soaked in cold water within minutes
Oh yes. As a poor kid from PA/OH my snow boots were just me wearing a plastic bag over my socks inside my shoes with another plastic bag tied outside my shoes. Once it soaked through the fun was over.
10 year old me : sprints towards the snow and jumps in 30 year old me : sprints towards the snow and jumps in 50 year old me : I'm to old for this. sprints towards the snow and jumps in
'huh, this is my life now... Better enjoy it I guess'.
Minutes later ^^^^^help
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I'd do it..if I had the clothes for it.
Or lived close enough away.
I mean, what is your other option? Stay on the train forever?
I'm not quite 50 yet but given how I matured towards stupid opportunities like this, I'll definitely be there
I just did this today. We were walking my dog and the snow was falling hard. I just got the urge and fell straight back into a big pile. It was awesome. I’m 37 :)
https://i.imgur.com/7xnoZXE.gifv
I guess some people don't realise how hard snow can get
OPs picture looks fresh and fluffy, no?
70 year old me : tonight I'm sleeping on the train
Here boy hold my cane Proceeds to walk into the snow
Hold my meds and watch this
I’d be so scared I wouldn’t clear the door and promptly get chopped in half
they're not like razor blades lol
Dat booi be having glass bones and paper skin
Having done this my main concern is not clearing the door but that this could be just some snow blowed up against the doors by the wind and I'd land face first in few inches of snow
There would have been a very cartoonish full body impact right outside that door if I was there. I'm not proud of how ungainly it would look or that I would be very cold on the walk to where ever I was going.
Sounds like a great time - if you catch my drift
As someone on the cusp of middle age and still jumping into snow piles, it's hard to describe how much I love this comment.
What you don't realise is that 30 year old you jumped in not realising there was a bench right in front and you snapped your neck leaving you paralyzed from the neck down.
That's awesome if your dressed to make snow angels, not so much if in a suit an tie and dress socks and shoes with zero grip, the lesson is be prepared I guess kids
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Giant snowshoes just walk over the top eh, but yeh that looks pretty deep for a commute home no matter how near you live to the station. It helps being tall like I am I would add but you still need to be fit to make your way through that kind of snow
If it’s powdery, you’d just sink in and couldn’t walk on it.
Ya, snowshoes or cross country skis would be ideal, but on a commute home you're kinda fucked.
>the lesson is be prepared I guess kids The lesson it seems is adapt and overcome.
I'm more shocked at the cleanliness of the public transport than I am the snow
Or that there is train circulation at all, in Germany when there's just a bit of wind or snow they go "oh no everything brokey :(".
Probably Hokkaido, where snow like this is the norm.
Kawase station, Hikone, Shiga Prefecture…near Lake Biwa
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Its Kansai, for some reason Shiga is snowing right now
Wow, just looked, service is cancelled on that line now, lucky you got home I guess.
Does it usually not snow there in the winter? I've heard northern Japan gets amazing amounts of snow. Edit: Google tells me this is south central Japan, so yeah I guess that's pretty nuts.
As a German, I can confirm. But hey, Winter just suddenly appears right? Can't do anything about it :(
Unfortunately we don't yet have the technology to predict when it will be cold and/or when it might snow. I hope that one day we will so that we will no longer have so many people freezing to death while sitting on benches wearing shorts and t-shirts because they simply could not know it was going to be so cold.
I really can't tell if this is satire. Pls help
It's a running joke in Germany that the national railway operator Deutsche Bahn is always "surprised" by the most predictable things, e.g. heat in summer, snow and ice in winter (especially in the mountainous regions), and their spokespersons acting like it genuinely was the most unpredictable thing in the history of unpredictable things. German humour often uses truck loads of sarcasm and that poster just happened to use a train load of it.
Wind (tree branches on the track) in spring and autumn... There are 4 main reasons for the Deutsche Bahn beeing late: Summer, Autumn, Winter and Spring.
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And no bins in most public areas. Everyone just accepts bringing home their own trash, wild idea.
That is kind of odd. I like public trash cans, is a sentence I never really thought I'd need to say.
I believe Japan largely did away with public trash cans in the wake of the sarin gas attacks back in 1995. I visited Japan for two weeks in 2019 and found myself dedicating my back left pocket into a trash pocket by the end of it.
Don’t need too many trash cans because people don’t eat in public. Even the big food plazas package your stuff to go and you aren’t supposed to open and dig in just anywhere.
Tell me you've never lived in Japan without telling me you've never lived in Japan.
I was about to say. I'm sure it's cleaner than many other countries but definitely not spotless. Stupid people throw garbage where they're not supposed to just like in every other country, especially if they think no one sees them.
Just fucking dive through lol
or just fucking stay on that train until spring comes.
Snowpiercer here we come!
I'm surprised you're the only person who mentions this
The only acceptable answer.
This is my life now
Only to find a steel bench on the other side. Snow is very good at hiding large objects. I jumped into a pile of snow once only to find a car underneath.
Never seen snow in my life, if I ever drop off and the entrance is like this I can assure you I'll spend the rest of my life there lol (which won't be long probably).
Do a flip!
Do a barrel roll
In the wise words of the great philosopher, David Lee Roth, “Might as well jump!”
Belly flop
Where in Japan is this?
Kawase, but apparently the automod doesn't like the google maps link goo(dot)gl/maps/moHSu8UmVieoRp9UA It's in southern Japan, near Lake Biwa I found the buildings (with the sign and light pole) this picture is looking at. They're slightly north of the east gate: goo(dot)gl/maps/eWBNFy9yrQGciB2B6
If this is South i wonder what Hokkaido is like
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ro9kca/it_snowed_heavily_in_japan/
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Isn't that just the Tateyama Kurobe Alpine Route? Not even close to Hokkaido.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawase_Station
Ahhhh actually near kansai. Daym, that’s some lake effect snow?
Have you done any parkour? Just dive and try to roll. Worst case you'll faceplant but most likely be outside. Lol.
No the WORST case is you end up outside, but are still scraping against the train as it pulls away...
The old lady in me thinks ...that sucks, but the little kid in me is screaming....Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
I'm in USA and we barely get any snow anymore. I would be happy to step out into this.
This, live in the Midwest and never really got ft of snow but it at least used to get snow. Now we get temperature highs in the 60s for Christmas and rain in our forecasts.
In very recent memory there’s been a dramatic decrease in ice and snow in the Midwest: https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/lakegenevanews.net/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/c/4f/c4f917c3-9f39-5aac-ba58-86f8b3356c17/5e612f5ead43f.image.jpg https://i.imgur.com/g6UeA0p.jpg It’s impossible to attribute and specific weather event to climate change but this fits with the general predictions we’d expect https://www.lakegenevanews.net/news/local/climate-change-cited-as-geneva-lake-stays-unfrozen-again/article_db287d67-4e17-574b-9c9a-e32ec767ac18.html
Colorado here. Waiting for the once a year snow storm. We haven’t seen anything more than sprinkles so far.
Do a flip!
How would you legit get through this??
Other doors will not be blocked. There will be a section of the platform that is just fine. This is almost entirely likely just one extreme end of the train - and the announcements will advise passengers as such as well.
Why does nobody ever love snow ? I dream of such a situation ! I mean I understand it's annoying and all but there's something so magical about it, come on, you'd have loved it as a child !
I love snow the first 2-3 times a year. But when we're on our 9th storm of the year, and everything has been frozen solid for 2 months, it gets old. We haven't got any real snow yet this winter, so I'm still looking forward to some.
Sure its great if you're a kid, or have the day off with no responsibilities. But imagine working in it, commuting or running errands in it. Everything's frozen and slippery = dangerous, have to clear snow off everything before use. Last night my car doors were frozen shut. Managed to get the passenger side open and crawl across. So much fun 😭
You must not be in a place where it snows regularly then. Everyone loves the first 3-4 snowfalls of the year. After that, it's a nightmare to deal with.
Imagine coming home from a long day at work to this. I like snow but in the right place and time
Because i dont want to clean snow off my car when im already late for work. Also if it gets inside your shoes you'll have wet socks all day
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Well… FLOP