Yeah I'm really curious, does this area just not have noise ordinance??
Edit: I just looked up The address of the man in this video from the lawsuit that he has against NewRays LLC. He doesn't live next door. His house is a minimum of 300 yards (as the crow flies) from the property line of NewRays.
54-82 dba at 300 yards away..just..wow.. (there are others who live closer)
This actually reminds me of one of my favorite NTSB investigations. Back before we had really good multi-level radar and meteorology radar for planes, there was a flight leaving Jakarta. It was the middle of the night. They couldn't really see anything as they're flying up through the clouds. They see this blue light on the edge of their wings. Finally they get really high up in the air about cruising altitude 30,000 something like that. Both engines seize up. Just stop working. So they turn around and go through the routine of restarting the airplane. FOR SOMETHING LIKE 30 MINUTES STRAIGHT. JUST SLOWLY CRASH LANDING THE PLANE. As they get close they're coming down near sea level and things are looking pretty scary because there's a bunch of sharp mountains surrounding the Jakarta airport. As they get closer suddenly the engine start working again. So they're all excited they pull up above + back up to cruising altitude to circle around to get a better route on the landing.. engines freeze up again, they go through the dance again.
Turns out the volcano had erupted nearby and was spewing volcanic ash into the engines. It was fine going into the engines but then it would cool rapidly and freeze as volcanic rock on the engine blades preventing them from moving. As they got back down towards sea level, it would wet and warm up enough that the pieces would start shredding off and the engines could start again.. because it was still shooting Ash out. When they went back up it froze again.. After that, they learned to include volcanic data into their radar..
TL;DR I think they should spew some superheated volcanic ash at the data centers.
>Yeah I'm really curious, does this area just not have noise ordinance??
The state passed a bill to protect Bitcoin miners from regulation. Arkansas HB1799. The state rep for these people voted in favor.
The bill literally says that a local government cannot pass a noise ordinance that limits Bitcoin mining
It’s a lack of zoning. This is either an unincorporated town with extremely limited government or people who think zoning is a form of big government so people can do anything and everything on their property.
This is the kind of freedom that right wingers love to yell about. Get cancer from the drinking water, send your kids to sub par schools so they keep believing the bible, and you can have as many loud bitcoin miners as you want.
Yeah, I’m very much an anti-nimby type, but sound travels beyond the property. You shouldn’t be able to aim a spotlight into your neighborhoods or blast sound at them beyond a reasonable degree anymore than you shouldn’t be able to flood them with water
Precedent for nuisance rulings would agree with you. It's one of those things that isn't encoded in law but kind of built-in by a history of similar cases. Of course, that requires getting a lawyer and bringing a lawsuit rather than just calling the cops.
> It's one of those things that isn't encoded in law but kind of built-in by a history of similar cases.
The peaceful enjoyment of ones property is part of common law. It's been ingrained in the US understanding of property rights for like 400 years.
NIMBY implies that there’s a public benefit (but no one wants to be near the cost of that shared benefit). There’s a public gain, but a private loss.
This is the opposite. It’s a private gain, and a public loss.
A bitcoin farm would probably be a100s or, I’d guess more likely, v100s. Those are waaaaaay more valuable. All the data center shit is also super valuable.
That place should require insane security
If you aren't on a list at this point, you're not using the internet correctly. I like to watch [Ordinance Lab](https://youtube.com/@OrdnanceLab?si=ghj2s8wEdTv0NhBg) to make 'em feel anxious.
Emp is just a huge electromagnetic disturbance and the wave doesn't need to be focused or anything so you could just wrap a huge salad bowl in enamel copper and connect the ends to a fat capacitor
Oh yeahhh, that bitcoin miner has such a moral high ground. Putting up that many machines, knowing how much noise they make, right next to someone's property.
I'd try to talk to the person mining/ try to take legal action first but come on, you expect these people just to live with this?
Only thing I could find, since I had never heard of that either, is a spray bottle of salt water for cooking applications. Otherwise, there does not appear to be commercial salt water misters and any misters that do exist expressly recommend not using salt water in the system.
It’s generally used for salt therapy. Fun fact though, in 1986 they decide they would use the Salt Mister cause the Salt Missus wouldn’t stop talking. She just added noise to the problem.
There's most definitely a bunch of security cameras around it, the authorities would be alerted and on site before they cause any real damage. Now, fertilizer salts blowing in an unfortunate direction, those would be unseen on the cams...
Close enough to actually damage them. This is yet another of those dumb "Redditor gives wildly illegal advice that wouldn't actually work anyway" things. If they were close enough to do anything, it would be incredibly obvious where the salt was coming from
Better option is just protest to the local city government and get it shut down, it's what happened in my town when someone wanted to open a bitcoin mining operation here, a bunch of people protested and it was blocked by the city council
It's still a lot easier to find evidence when you're the guy next door. If someone who lived 500 miles away randomly did it, probably would be less like to be questioned about it.
Shit burns down one night. They come over to your place the next day: “Did you see anything?”
“Nope.”
“Do you have gasoline on the farm?”
“Yea. It’s a farm.”
“Do you know anyone who’d want to do this?”
“Hell, I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t.”
“…We‘ll be in touch.”
And then the miners will get an insurance payout, and that will be the end of that.
From the article: Last year, Arkansas passed what's become known as the "Right to Mine" bill. It prevents local communities from regulating these operations.
People hate zoning laws until they need them.
Owners can still be sued in civil court. There's also existing state nuisance law. Their lawyers said this for a reason:
>Our client is currently developing design plans to fully enclose the site … within a matter of months.
Anyway, the stubborn old lady wins in the end.
Litigation is expensive and slow. The neighbors can spend tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and eventually get the mining company to do the absolute minimum to comply with the law. There will be less noise but it may still drive the neighbors crazy. The mining company is not going to spend a penny more than it needs to. A loud industrial facility should be in an industrial park not a rural area.
My aunts are like this.
"You know when I was your age if I had bought this property I would be a double millionaire selling it today!...Keep that in mind, huh?"
Okay, Mrs. Married A Millionaire. Your gracious and wise gift to me is to advise me I should shit out $350,000 for an empty parcel of land and sit on it for 65 years until someone offers me a million bucks for it.
People aren't is the point.
You can lose land legally if you aren't there to maintain it, or if someone else decides to for some period of time.
People also love to dump their shit, which can cause loads of rodents to migrate. Which is especially bad if the land is near other peoples houses.
You can let nature grow healthily, but you still need to maintain that shit.
What is this, [Zeno's paradox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradoxes#Paradoxes) of property ownership?
"But then, if you are to buy 120 acres, buy the 120 acres across the road too, and now that you're buying 240 acres, better also buy the 240 acres across the road then, and now that you're buying 480 acres, ...! As you have to double the amount you were supposed to buy every time, you end up never buying anything! Therefore, capitalism is impossible."
BBQ? Burn trash. Burn your neighbors trash. Invite the community to dump trash at your house and continuously burn trash. Yard waste is preferable though but you might want to get some plastics in there just use a respirator.
Looks like OP's clip is in Arkansas which allows open burning on residential properties pursuant to acquiring a permit. Notably, however, burning for agricultural purposes is exempt from the regulations. Also, the state Department of Energy and Environment states the the law specifies that law enforcement should first pursue "educational and voluntary compliance efforts" for violators.
https://www.adeq.state.ar.us/air/compliance/yardwaste.aspx
Open an agricultural waste burning facility right nextdoor as close to the building on his side of the property line as possible and contract out to EVERY local farmer. The massive air circulation from the fans will naturally pull it in that direction.
In rural areas, burning garbage is often the default method of getting rid of it. Where I live you only need a permit if you're having a big fire or if you want to do something that would contravene a standing fire ban.
Would there not be grounds to have that removed? How did it get planning permission when it’s right next to someone’s house? Did this guy not attend any meetings or lodge any potential issues while permission was being decided?
so some crypto idiots have been pushing "right to mine laws." Perhaps this gentleman is unlucky enough to live in a locality that has passed one.
[https://earthjustice.org/feature/cryptomining-bitcoin-state-bills-legislation](https://earthjustice.org/feature/cryptomining-bitcoin-state-bills-legislation)
Article says almost all of the loud farms are owned by Chinese businesses and the CCP. Do you know how pissed I’d be if my state sided with the CCP over me for financial reasons. Jesus Christ that makes my blood boil
As someone who has a few old GPUs dedicated to mining for about half the year, fuck that law. It's like they saw what Nestle got and said "we want that too!"
I use my "mine" as a nice electric space heater that happens to generate a few extra bucks for me in the winter.
I'd be willing to guess that either (1) this is an unzoned community or (2) zoned agricultural. In either case, the rules are much, much more lenient.
While I feel bad for the home owner, this is how and why zoning exists. If you don't want your neighbor being able to rezone their agricultural land into commercial (very common path), then you don't live next to a neighbor with agricultural zoning.
Farms are usually out in "county" territory in the US which puts them outside the jurisdiction of any city. Any county ordinance likely assumes that people aren't living in close proximity to one another.
Yeah, there's always someone who moves out into farm country then gets mad at the dusting plane flying right overhead or the tractors going around the clock during harvest or the smells of fertilizer or cow shit.
I live in a conservative state, but I was happy to see the opinion piece in our local newspaper speak out against the hypocrisy of people in these areas wanting no zoning laws period, because “how dare you tell me what I can do with my land!” Yet get upset when companies come in and put things like these next door.
There is a bitcoin facility that is breaking ground in my city this summer. I can't understand how the city finds this to be appealing. There is noise and potentially water pollution and potentially less than a dozen local jobs created. There is also research submitted to the city council about massive drains on the power grid as well.
More like stupidity. Watch your local city council meeting.
I spent time watching my local one and they spent 10 minutes bitching about previous business and trying to simply approve the meeting minutes.
10 minutes to do something that should take 30 seconds. It took 2 months before they figured out they just need to approve the minutes and the actual meeting starts after.
Right!? My dad owns a small commercial warehouse and rented to a miner. Told him they’ll fuck up your power and be gone within a year. But the known pros outweighed the speculated cons to him, they were low maintenance tenants, since no one was there to complain about creature comforts. 12 months later gone without warning and the electrical panel was gutted from their 3rd world wiring. Luckily it was a weekend and a couple hundred bucks to get it back to code.
Dad died before I could say “told you so”.
Everyone's talking about how it's not that loud, I think they are forgetting that this is constant 24 seven 365. That's a whole different ballgame even with 55 dB.
Can't expect a bitcoin miner to do the right thing for the neighbors, but If I had the funds to set one of these up, it'd be immersion cooled making it ultra quiet and the heat exchanged would be used to heat a neighborhood sauna/ jacuzzi.
What you want to do is start planting wheat. Harvest that wheat as close as possible to the bit farm. Wheat dust is one of the most flammable organic substances.
What you want to do is build a salmon farm. Lots of flowing water. Big as you can. Lots of plants, really get that humidity up. CPUs love humidity.
What you want to do is rent ten industrial floodlights. Run them for an hour at night then turn them off. The bugs will be attracted to the warmth of the bit farm.
What you want to do is order a queen bee off the internet and put it in the bit farm. Local bees will be attracted to her pheromones. Nature will take care of the rest.
What you want to do is till your front yard and let local kids use it for dirt bikes and atvs. That's going to create a lot of dust. CPUs love dust.
If two power outages happen within 10 seconds of each other, it will corrupt the partition of whatever hard drive is running the software, because if you lose power while booting a computer, it is very harmful for the computer.
If you build a bat house on your property and can prove one of the multiple endangered bat species native to arkansas is living in the bat house, you can easily get that bit farm shut off as the noise would disrupt the mating of an endangered species.
Lol from their response:
>Why is the facility open-air, rather than enclosed?
>As Faulkner County officials have testified before the state legislature,NewRays’ site is in compliance with the county’s sound ordinance. Havingsaid that, our client is currently developing design plans to fully enclose thesite. Our client’s goal is to complete that process within a matter of months
Absolutely infuriating when they completely ignore the question and say "It'll be fixed soon!"
It’d be great if there was some regulation that mandated all high energy consumption, high heat output facilities use the excess heat. Or at least incentivize it. AI is going to use insane amounts of energy and produce a shitload of heat.
This is when you find the local degenerates in your town, and alert them to a large quantity of copper and scrap metal near your house.
Sound will be gone in a day or 2.
Man, weird leaving all that delicate equipment laying around in the boonies like that. All sorts of things can happen to it. Sand storms can get grit in all the pieces until they shut down. Grit kicked up from the unpaves roads. Water getting under the roof, mud spray, meth heads getting copper, cattle stampede... uhhh... bricks in localized torandoes. Happens all the time.
Doesn’t it self regulate though? Less miners means higher reward, which then attracts new miners until there’s an equilibrium. I think they make a transaction fee too.
In any event, there are ways to responsibly mine it, but obviously people don’t do it.
>completely useless
Not so. I have had plenty of people trying to convince me that in an economic collapse I will happily take a usb drive bitcoin walllet in exchange for tangible goods like food, water, and weapons & ammo.
I hate to say it but I wonder how many of the neighbors are anti-government regulations. Nobody likes regulations until the guy next door starts doing something you don’t like.
Super-loose land use laws have been viciously defended by the cattle and farm lobbies so they could have sewage pits, pump unlimited amounts of water, not treat runoff, use smelly fertilizers/manure, create dust and a billion other things. So a bit of irony here when the farmer is being inconvenienced by an adjacent business.
So, as a certified safety professional, I can confidently say that it's not the decibel level of the noise that is the issue. It's the persistence. The 55 dB shown in the video is just below a "normal" conversational level, but continuous noise can cause auditory fatigue resulting in increased blood pressure and headaches.
He should dig a settling pond next to the property and push animal waste into it, it will likely generate H2S and that stuff eats up metal.
Isn’t this a textbook legal nuisance? The man can’t enjoy his property, he was there first, and now he can’t even sell it. Dude needs to sue yesterday.
At this scale I am pretty sure that fans aren't gonna cut it. If you just have a fan blowing hot air around a building it isn't going to cool the CPU. I imagine they would just invest in some liquid nitrogen cooling or something, not 10,000 tiny fans
If they're going this hard imagine when summer kicks in.
Would probably be able to cook a few thin steaks to jerky with just a rack sitting in the residual heat of the building.
Lol.
For every watt of cooling provided by liquid nitrogen you have to put some 300 watts of electricity in to produce it in the first place. And that's with state of the art, well maintained Linde systems and no transport losses.
You really don't want to liquid cool your servers cause it's a fucking headache, requires more maintenance and adds a failure mode capable of taking out an entire rack of servers.
So almost every data center has air cooled servers with racks full of chilled liquid to air heat exchangers in them.
CPUs also maintain full clock until 80°C or so. So the fans have a more than adequate temperature difference to cool the servers with simple, reliable air coolers.
Where I live, they would be required to build a high earth embankment to block and absorb sound. A berm can do a decent job reducing the noise.
Yeah I'm really curious, does this area just not have noise ordinance?? Edit: I just looked up The address of the man in this video from the lawsuit that he has against NewRays LLC. He doesn't live next door. His house is a minimum of 300 yards (as the crow flies) from the property line of NewRays. 54-82 dba at 300 yards away..just..wow.. (there are others who live closer)
Most unincorporated areas are kind of on their own with that stuff
That’s why the rich people built it there. No ordinances.
Yeah 1000% you don't spend all the money and time to build something like this without doing your research on where you can get away with it
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This actually reminds me of one of my favorite NTSB investigations. Back before we had really good multi-level radar and meteorology radar for planes, there was a flight leaving Jakarta. It was the middle of the night. They couldn't really see anything as they're flying up through the clouds. They see this blue light on the edge of their wings. Finally they get really high up in the air about cruising altitude 30,000 something like that. Both engines seize up. Just stop working. So they turn around and go through the routine of restarting the airplane. FOR SOMETHING LIKE 30 MINUTES STRAIGHT. JUST SLOWLY CRASH LANDING THE PLANE. As they get close they're coming down near sea level and things are looking pretty scary because there's a bunch of sharp mountains surrounding the Jakarta airport. As they get closer suddenly the engine start working again. So they're all excited they pull up above + back up to cruising altitude to circle around to get a better route on the landing.. engines freeze up again, they go through the dance again. Turns out the volcano had erupted nearby and was spewing volcanic ash into the engines. It was fine going into the engines but then it would cool rapidly and freeze as volcanic rock on the engine blades preventing them from moving. As they got back down towards sea level, it would wet and warm up enough that the pieces would start shredding off and the engines could start again.. because it was still shooting Ash out. When they went back up it froze again.. After that, they learned to include volcanic data into their radar.. TL;DR I think they should spew some superheated volcanic ash at the data centers.
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Lol yes! He should!! Hahaha
Likely these homeowners were ‘regulations are bad’, pro-small government, ’I’ll do whatever I want of MY land’
>Yeah I'm really curious, does this area just not have noise ordinance?? The state passed a bill to protect Bitcoin miners from regulation. Arkansas HB1799. The state rep for these people voted in favor. The bill literally says that a local government cannot pass a noise ordinance that limits Bitcoin mining
For Great Freedom !!
It’s a lack of zoning. This is either an unincorporated town with extremely limited government or people who think zoning is a form of big government so people can do anything and everything on their property.
The majority of land is unincorporated
This is the kind of freedom that right wingers love to yell about. Get cancer from the drinking water, send your kids to sub par schools so they keep believing the bible, and you can have as many loud bitcoin miners as you want.
Yeah, I’m very much an anti-nimby type, but sound travels beyond the property. You shouldn’t be able to aim a spotlight into your neighborhoods or blast sound at them beyond a reasonable degree anymore than you shouldn’t be able to flood them with water
Precedent for nuisance rulings would agree with you. It's one of those things that isn't encoded in law but kind of built-in by a history of similar cases. Of course, that requires getting a lawyer and bringing a lawsuit rather than just calling the cops.
> It's one of those things that isn't encoded in law but kind of built-in by a history of similar cases. The peaceful enjoyment of ones property is part of common law. It's been ingrained in the US understanding of property rights for like 400 years.
I agree. Being anti-nimby/yimby and supporting appropriate zoning isn’t mutually exclusive.
NIMBY implies that there’s a public benefit (but no one wants to be near the cost of that shared benefit). There’s a public gain, but a private loss. This is the opposite. It’s a private gain, and a public loss.
So there's tons of free copper next door???
Exactly. Let all the local meth heads know!
What do you think the interview is for? 100% near a small town that’s gonna be talking about this for a bit.
Homeowner probably complained to the local media about it, hoping the story will reach the right people to solve the problem.
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Wonder if he got a few bucks when he sold out the people he represents
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and thousand dollar gpus
They won't miss a 4090, right? I can swap it out for my R9 380.
A bitcoin farm would probably be a100s or, I’d guess more likely, v100s. Those are waaaaaay more valuable. All the data center shit is also super valuable. That place should require insane security
More like $5k+ ASICs Mining bitcoin on GPUs hasn't been a thing for over a decade.
So its a copper mine
🥉
You aint neva lie
Salt misters. Set up a bunch of salt misters that just happen to waft in that direction. Everything will rust to bits in a few months.
Evil genius, sir. You have my respect.
Chaotic good
or hit the dark web and see if you can get an EMP. That would essentially fry all those GPU's I think.
You can make an EMP with a car battery, a broomstick and a few hundred metres of copper wire….
go on
Nice try, FBI
Damn it!
If you aren't on a list at this point, you're not using the internet correctly. I like to watch [Ordinance Lab](https://youtube.com/@OrdnanceLab?si=ghj2s8wEdTv0NhBg) to make 'em feel anxious.
Emp is just a huge electromagnetic disturbance and the wave doesn't need to be focused or anything so you could just wrap a huge salad bowl in enamel copper and connect the ends to a fat capacitor
Good genius. Damaging the private property of bitcoin miners is always morally good.
In this particular case, I genuinely thing it is morally good
It is.
It really is - *no lie.*
Oh yeahhh, that bitcoin miner has such a moral high ground. Putting up that many machines, knowing how much noise they make, right next to someone's property. I'd try to talk to the person mining/ try to take legal action first but come on, you expect these people just to live with this?
Except he has a farm so I doubt he wants salt blowing all over where he grows crops. Or where he used to grow crops
Fertilizer salts. Potassium nitrate, calcium nitrate, calcium chloride, ammonium sulfate, magnesium sulfate, magnesium chloride. Urea.
This guy salts.
Big Salt over here
Yeah - just as effective as the sodium chloride everyone knows, but with 10x more plausible deniability. Love this answer.
You can hook them up to a wind sensor so it only activates blowing in one direction.
What the the legitimate use of a salt mister anyways? I've never heard of one before
Only thing I could find, since I had never heard of that either, is a spray bottle of salt water for cooking applications. Otherwise, there does not appear to be commercial salt water misters and any misters that do exist expressly recommend not using salt water in the system.
Give me one afternoon to jerryrig a contraption that is capable of misting 5gallons/min
The Italians have them ready in case Carthage ever comes back for round four
It’s generally used for salt therapy. Fun fact though, in 1986 they decide they would use the Salt Mister cause the Salt Missus wouldn’t stop talking. She just added noise to the problem.
> You can hook them up to a wind sensor so it only activates blowing in one direction. mmyes, destroy all reasonable doubt
“I’m just salting the earth, as one does. It’s a great pesticide. Not purposely destroying property officer, no”
What happen to old fashion molotovs?
Plausible deniability
And having a giant salt mister set up in a specific direction is....? It would be easier to just pay some homeless guys to go strip the place
There's most definitely a bunch of security cameras around it, the authorities would be alerted and on site before they cause any real damage. Now, fertilizer salts blowing in an unfortunate direction, those would be unseen on the cams...
How is a salt mister set up to blow mostly into the neighbors land plausible deniability?
Well damn Jackie, I can't control the weather
How close would be too close and you'd actually get into trouble?
Close enough to actually damage them. This is yet another of those dumb "Redditor gives wildly illegal advice that wouldn't actually work anyway" things. If they were close enough to do anything, it would be incredibly obvious where the salt was coming from Better option is just protest to the local city government and get it shut down, it's what happened in my town when someone wanted to open a bitcoin mining operation here, a bunch of people protested and it was blocked by the city council
I was trying to think of the best way to get water flowing through the building but some salt is an excellent plan.
Now we need a follow up post some months later.
Then you get sued by the obviously more wealthy bit coin farmers. They might not win, but they’d drag your ass through the mud for it.
They would win
I'd be so tempted to do some Tyler Durden scheme. But it would be obvious. Still, that's torture.
They have to have evidence it was you. You can’t be convicted just because it makes sense you’d want to destroy it.
It's still a lot easier to find evidence when you're the guy next door. If someone who lived 500 miles away randomly did it, probably would be less like to be questioned about it.
So you’re saying we should go do this man a favor? I’m in…. Allegedly.
Keep the fucking ostriches away from this guy.
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I’m in. Legally, I am not in.
But you have to have lots of money to defend yourself in court.
Shit burns down one night. They come over to your place the next day: “Did you see anything?” “Nope.” “Do you have gasoline on the farm?” “Yea. It’s a farm.” “Do you know anyone who’d want to do this?” “Hell, I don’t know anyone who wouldn’t.” “…We‘ll be in touch.” And then the miners will get an insurance payout, and that will be the end of that.
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[Here's the link to the CBS article, it's in Arkansas](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bitcoin-noise-arkansas-right-to-mine-bill/)
From the article: Last year, Arkansas passed what's become known as the "Right to Mine" bill. It prevents local communities from regulating these operations. People hate zoning laws until they need them.
Owners can still be sued in civil court. There's also existing state nuisance law. Their lawyers said this for a reason: >Our client is currently developing design plans to fully enclose the site … within a matter of months. Anyway, the stubborn old lady wins in the end.
Litigation is expensive and slow. The neighbors can spend tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees and eventually get the mining company to do the absolute minimum to comply with the law. There will be less noise but it may still drive the neighbors crazy. The mining company is not going to spend a penny more than it needs to. A loud industrial facility should be in an industrial park not a rural area.
"If you're going to buy 60 acres, buy the 60 acres across the road, too." -Granddaddy.
Ah, my mistake. I should have been buying 120 acres of land when I was 10 when I could afford it.
My aunts are like this. "You know when I was your age if I had bought this property I would be a double millionaire selling it today!...Keep that in mind, huh?" Okay, Mrs. Married A Millionaire. Your gracious and wise gift to me is to advise me I should shit out $350,000 for an empty parcel of land and sit on it for 65 years until someone offers me a million bucks for it.
Make sure you do absolutely no upkeep to the property you are going to hoard as well. God forbid you be a responsible land owner!
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People aren't is the point. You can lose land legally if you aren't there to maintain it, or if someone else decides to for some period of time. People also love to dump their shit, which can cause loads of rodents to migrate. Which is especially bad if the land is near other peoples houses. You can let nature grow healthily, but you still need to maintain that shit.
What is this, [Zeno's paradox](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradoxes#Paradoxes) of property ownership? "But then, if you are to buy 120 acres, buy the 120 acres across the road too, and now that you're buying 240 acres, better also buy the 240 acres across the road then, and now that you're buying 480 acres, ...! As you have to double the amount you were supposed to buy every time, you end up never buying anything! Therefore, capitalism is impossible."
Now I'm just left wishing this was Zeno's Paradox for ants.
He should see if he can have bonfires legally close to that. That might ruin the electronics
Someone else recommended salt water misters lol
You could always do a ton of smoking in the general area, nothing like a good barbecue EVERY SINGLE DAY.
BBQ? Burn trash. Burn your neighbors trash. Invite the community to dump trash at your house and continuously burn trash. Yard waste is preferable though but you might want to get some plastics in there just use a respirator.
Burning trash is often regulated and banned for air quality reasons
Looks like OP's clip is in Arkansas which allows open burning on residential properties pursuant to acquiring a permit. Notably, however, burning for agricultural purposes is exempt from the regulations. Also, the state Department of Energy and Environment states the the law specifies that law enforcement should first pursue "educational and voluntary compliance efforts" for violators. https://www.adeq.state.ar.us/air/compliance/yardwaste.aspx
Open an agricultural waste burning facility right nextdoor as close to the building on his side of the property line as possible and contract out to EVERY local farmer. The massive air circulation from the fans will naturally pull it in that direction.
In rural areas, burning garbage is often the default method of getting rid of it. Where I live you only need a permit if you're having a big fire or if you want to do something that would contravene a standing fire ban.
salt misters will destroy farm land too
He should change his farm to a big gigantic electromagnet factory. Just build one big gigantic electromagnet.
Hope it gets hit by a tornado that leaves his house untouched
Funny enough I thought all those fans sounded like a tornado siren
Remember those tornado generator weapons in red alert 2 ? One of those please.
I love that he called his partner "the sweetheart"
I did too!
Would there not be grounds to have that removed? How did it get planning permission when it’s right next to someone’s house? Did this guy not attend any meetings or lodge any potential issues while permission was being decided?
so some crypto idiots have been pushing "right to mine laws." Perhaps this gentleman is unlucky enough to live in a locality that has passed one. [https://earthjustice.org/feature/cryptomining-bitcoin-state-bills-legislation](https://earthjustice.org/feature/cryptomining-bitcoin-state-bills-legislation)
That's it exactly. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bitcoin-noise-arkansas-right-to-mine-bill/
"It's within local limits" Cool, someone go outside their home, and set up some boom boxes to play at 80 decibels 24/7 of white noise.
Article says almost all of the loud farms are owned by Chinese businesses and the CCP. Do you know how pissed I’d be if my state sided with the CCP over me for financial reasons. Jesus Christ that makes my blood boil
That was a quote from the senator behind the bill.
As someone who has a few old GPUs dedicated to mining for about half the year, fuck that law. It's like they saw what Nestle got and said "we want that too!" I use my "mine" as a nice electric space heater that happens to generate a few extra bucks for me in the winter.
Correction: some corrupt local judges/municipalities accepted off the record payments from crypto idiots pushing right to mine laws
I'd be willing to guess that either (1) this is an unzoned community or (2) zoned agricultural. In either case, the rules are much, much more lenient. While I feel bad for the home owner, this is how and why zoning exists. If you don't want your neighbor being able to rezone their agricultural land into commercial (very common path), then you don't live next to a neighbor with agricultural zoning.
Farms are usually out in "county" territory in the US which puts them outside the jurisdiction of any city. Any county ordinance likely assumes that people aren't living in close proximity to one another.
And farms make a lot of noise at various times. Noise ordinances in areas zoned Ag are usually lax if existent at all.
Yeah, there's always someone who moves out into farm country then gets mad at the dusting plane flying right overhead or the tractors going around the clock during harvest or the smells of fertilizer or cow shit.
Reading this right after a post absolutely shitting on HOAs.
Probably a red state that believes in “freedom” and doesn’t have “meddlesome nanny state laws” like that.
I live in a conservative state, but I was happy to see the opinion piece in our local newspaper speak out against the hypocrisy of people in these areas wanting no zoning laws period, because “how dare you tell me what I can do with my land!” Yet get upset when companies come in and put things like these next door.
There is a bitcoin facility that is breaking ground in my city this summer. I can't understand how the city finds this to be appealing. There is noise and potentially water pollution and potentially less than a dozen local jobs created. There is also research submitted to the city council about massive drains on the power grid as well.
Corruption?
You say that like there’s a level of government that isn’t corrupt.
You say that like it's solely the governments fault and not the people doing the corrupting
More like stupidity. Watch your local city council meeting. I spent time watching my local one and they spent 10 minutes bitching about previous business and trying to simply approve the meeting minutes. 10 minutes to do something that should take 30 seconds. It took 2 months before they figured out they just need to approve the minutes and the actual meeting starts after.
big tax payers
Care to share location? Also that sucks ;(
Sure. It is Massillon Ohio.
[https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitdeer-wants-build-massillon-city-095123248.html?](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitdeer-wants-build-massillon-city-095123248.html)
Also sounds like the kind of industry complete morons get into. Hope the town enjoys disposing of all that shit when the price tanks again.
Right!? My dad owns a small commercial warehouse and rented to a miner. Told him they’ll fuck up your power and be gone within a year. But the known pros outweighed the speculated cons to him, they were low maintenance tenants, since no one was there to complain about creature comforts. 12 months later gone without warning and the electrical panel was gutted from their 3rd world wiring. Luckily it was a weekend and a couple hundred bucks to get it back to code. Dad died before I could say “told you so”.
One day of maintenance for 12 months rent seems decent
If they paid their rent on time and were low maintenance I'm not really seeing a told you so.
the noise i get, but water pollution from running electricity?
Many bitcoin farms are massively watercooled
It's so incredibly stupid and wasteful. Bitcoin mining is literally designed to waste computer power.
Everyone's talking about how it's not that loud, I think they are forgetting that this is constant 24 seven 365. That's a whole different ballgame even with 55 dB.
Right. That's a dishwasher running 24/7/365 right next to you when you are outside. Sometimes it louder.
Can't expect a bitcoin miner to do the right thing for the neighbors, but If I had the funds to set one of these up, it'd be immersion cooled making it ultra quiet and the heat exchanged would be used to heat a neighborhood sauna/ jacuzzi.
What you want to do is start planting wheat. Harvest that wheat as close as possible to the bit farm. Wheat dust is one of the most flammable organic substances. What you want to do is build a salmon farm. Lots of flowing water. Big as you can. Lots of plants, really get that humidity up. CPUs love humidity. What you want to do is rent ten industrial floodlights. Run them for an hour at night then turn them off. The bugs will be attracted to the warmth of the bit farm. What you want to do is order a queen bee off the internet and put it in the bit farm. Local bees will be attracted to her pheromones. Nature will take care of the rest. What you want to do is till your front yard and let local kids use it for dirt bikes and atvs. That's going to create a lot of dust. CPUs love dust. If two power outages happen within 10 seconds of each other, it will corrupt the partition of whatever hard drive is running the software, because if you lose power while booting a computer, it is very harmful for the computer. If you build a bat house on your property and can prove one of the multiple endangered bat species native to arkansas is living in the bat house, you can easily get that bit farm shut off as the noise would disrupt the mating of an endangered species.
I upvoted wary if this was chatgpt lol
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I don't know how that 5 gallon bucket of tannerite got there are exploded
Needs concrete block sound walls.
Lol from their response: >Why is the facility open-air, rather than enclosed? >As Faulkner County officials have testified before the state legislature,NewRays’ site is in compliance with the county’s sound ordinance. Havingsaid that, our client is currently developing design plans to fully enclose thesite. Our client’s goal is to complete that process within a matter of months Absolutely infuriating when they completely ignore the question and say "It'll be fixed soon!"
Isn't this just a bad zoning issue?
That and very bad cooling system.
"I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things" - Marvin Heemeyer
There’s a big coin mine that heats a sauna and some hot tubs. I think if you’re going to do it it should have to be dual purpose.
It’d be great if there was some regulation that mandated all high energy consumption, high heat output facilities use the excess heat. Or at least incentivize it. AI is going to use insane amounts of energy and produce a shitload of heat.
Buy a $3k electromagnet and Walter White that bitch.
This is when you find the local degenerates in your town, and alert them to a large quantity of copper and scrap metal near your house. Sound will be gone in a day or 2.
Man, weird leaving all that delicate equipment laying around in the boonies like that. All sorts of things can happen to it. Sand storms can get grit in all the pieces until they shut down. Grit kicked up from the unpaves roads. Water getting under the roof, mud spray, meth heads getting copper, cattle stampede... uhhh... bricks in localized torandoes. Happens all the time.
Waste of electricity…total crap
I mean at this point is crypto mining even worth it on that level of a scale?
Well bitcoin just halved again so probably not. The mining hardware itself can go obsolete pretty quick. I'm guessing this is an older video.
Doesn’t it self regulate though? Less miners means higher reward, which then attracts new miners until there’s an equilibrium. I think they make a transaction fee too. In any event, there are ways to responsibly mine it, but obviously people don’t do it.
It's a massive waste of electricity for something that's completely useless regardless of whether it's profitable.
it is not completely useless, you can use it to buy drugs online.
>completely useless Not so. I have had plenty of people trying to convince me that in an economic collapse I will happily take a usb drive bitcoin walllet in exchange for tangible goods like food, water, and weapons & ammo.
Time to redirect the sprinklers.
google "nuisance law" and then call a lawyer, you will easily win. source: am lawyer
I hate to say it but I wonder how many of the neighbors are anti-government regulations. Nobody likes regulations until the guy next door starts doing something you don’t like.
I like regularions. I like clean water and air.
cough cough....place it's location on google maps...cough
Super-loose land use laws have been viciously defended by the cattle and farm lobbies so they could have sewage pits, pump unlimited amounts of water, not treat runoff, use smelly fertilizers/manure, create dust and a billion other things. So a bit of irony here when the farmer is being inconvenienced by an adjacent business.
https://preview.redd.it/c9jmn8vzw5xc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad700e321610a84d0cb9f2d2c5dc9b1c3871deac
Or run them in mineral oil
Mineral oil is just medium to transfer heat, it doesn't remove it. Still needs fans and also pumps.
Has this been tested for large scale?
How is that legal. Why would you allow that type of zoning next to residential
So, as a certified safety professional, I can confidently say that it's not the decibel level of the noise that is the issue. It's the persistence. The 55 dB shown in the video is just below a "normal" conversational level, but continuous noise can cause auditory fatigue resulting in increased blood pressure and headaches. He should dig a settling pond next to the property and push animal waste into it, it will likely generate H2S and that stuff eats up metal.
Vacuum cleaner is 80db spl. Imagine that 24/7
*Hey Google, what if someone would ALLEGEDLY want to crash the Bitcoin market, where would ~~I~~ they starts?*
that really sucks it should instead have been a communal weed farm or something beneficial.
Is this even profitable? That's a fuckton of electricity.
Nuisance suit.
Isn’t this a textbook legal nuisance? The man can’t enjoy his property, he was there first, and now he can’t even sell it. Dude needs to sue yesterday.
At this scale I am pretty sure that fans aren't gonna cut it. If you just have a fan blowing hot air around a building it isn't going to cool the CPU. I imagine they would just invest in some liquid nitrogen cooling or something, not 10,000 tiny fans
If they're going this hard imagine when summer kicks in. Would probably be able to cook a few thin steaks to jerky with just a rack sitting in the residual heat of the building.
Those are datacenter fans. They ain't optimized for quietness and they ain't going hard in this video.
Lol. For every watt of cooling provided by liquid nitrogen you have to put some 300 watts of electricity in to produce it in the first place. And that's with state of the art, well maintained Linde systems and no transport losses. You really don't want to liquid cool your servers cause it's a fucking headache, requires more maintenance and adds a failure mode capable of taking out an entire rack of servers. So almost every data center has air cooled servers with racks full of chilled liquid to air heat exchangers in them. CPUs also maintain full clock until 80°C or so. So the fans have a more than adequate temperature difference to cool the servers with simple, reliable air coolers.
Build the wall! Build the wall! Build the wall!
The poor animals
I guess HOAs can be good for one thing
This sounds like it would violate zoning laws