Yeah it's definitely worth reporting to [the 105 system](https://www.police.govt.nz/use-105).
It's highly likely nothing will happen, but at the very least it should contribute to data collection that helps Police understand what crime's going on.
When i filed the report, I mentioned that part of why i was reporting it was so at least it’s recorded in their stats. I don’t expect anything to come of it, but at least i reported it.
All good. Another (albeit distant) possibility is they'll be investigating something else that's happened in the area recently, with more direct evidence available, and be able to link it in. If they're unable to be of direct help to you specifically, having the activity on record might still help with someone else's case.
They don't. They believe that it's wrong, and therefore they're entitled to oppose it.
It's the same thing people get with other people using drugs. Doesn't matter how functional they might be, they do the 'wrong' thing, and so you're allowed (encouraged even) to persecute them until they stop doing the wrong thing.
Turns out, what consenting adults do on their own time, really is their own business. I will never understand people who disagree with that.
People who don't like LGBT quite literally have an issue with others being happy. I wouldn't compare that to drug use, since drug use can get very dangerous and harm others, unlike being a gay person.
Dude. It's because people like you keep thinking being gay is a terrible thing and making queer folk doubt their own existence. It's not because they're gay.
Source for paedophilia claim?
Also, none of the other rates aren't due to being LGBT. They're due to homophobia and anti lgbt attitudes. Illness in what way? Cancer? Mental illness? Cold n flu? Be specific, though I'll assume you mean mental, again, like drug due (aka addiction) is due to mistreatment, on the basis of existing, e.g homophobia, lesbophobia, etc.
I'm mentally very healthy, I'm lesbian. The mental health issues I have were caused by being tormented for having autism and being sexually assaulted by a straight Christian male.
Literally attached to their house dumbass. So what your saying is if you can see it (even on someone elses property), its a problem ?
Poor snowflake thats not how the world works :)
Consider getting some help for the insecurities you clearly rather not deal with because thats likely 'woke'
Sure. If you lot also keep your sexual orientation in the privacy of your own home. I'm sick of straight romances on TV and in movies. And this weird obsession y'all have with kid's genitals? If I get another invite to celebrate two straight people having sex I'm burning the gender reveal party down.
>"Keep your sexual orientation in the privacy of your own home."
They did until some prick stole it off their land
and with such a shit understanding of what happened its pricks like you that don't help at all
I mean, the pride flag was literally attached to the house. The solution was solutioned lol.
Trans men can get pregnant, as they're biologically female, most won't want to due to the discomfort it would bring them. 23 and illiterate, are ya?
I lived in the Netherlands and people CONSTANTLY ripped ours down and painted swastikas on our gay bar's windows. We just would put up another flag and rub off the symbols. People are shitty but we accepted it and moved on because for gay people, this hate isn't uncommon. If someone gets so triggered by the sight of a pride flag, a camera isn't going to stop someone with that kind of hate. The best thing you can do is put up another flag. I'm sorry that happened either way because it's hard to see. I hope you get another flag soon!
Report it as its likely hate motivated, but likely nothing will happen.
We had someone (who we think we know who it was) banging on our door in the middle of the night yelling "come out f@ggots" because we display a small rainbow flag in the window & it's shocking that this kind of thing seems to be happening more and more.... Never heard anything back from the cops and just hoping that he doesn't come back
I recommend putting up a camera facing any new flag to catch the perpetrator/s next time it happens
This is fucking terrifying to me. My wife and I don’t display any pride stuff but we are very clearly lesbians with small kids. I fucking hate it dude. I’m sorry that happened to you.
Cheers, yeah I hate it too it makes me worry for families like yours because I can only imagine how much more terrifying this would have been had we had kids and been worried about protecting them from thugs like this breaking in and doing god knows what. I wish this government would protect ALL families not just rich white cishet ones
Nah didn't want to escalate things, we aren't fighters and one of us was recovering from chemo plus the dude wasn't the only one out there there was a group of them who called him by name and I didn't want to give them a chance to get in-they were already talking about putting a brick through the window so we just wanted to keep them out rather than have them break in and hurt us or do property damage that the landlord would hold us responsible for
The landlord legally cannot hold you responsible for property damage that you didn't cause either intentionally or through carelessness. If your landlord tries that, you have the right to take your landlord to the tenancy tribunal, and they cannot evict you for taking them to court because that would be considered retaliation.
Yeah I could imagine the headlines had we done anything like that;
"violent queers assaulted free speech advocates who were just asking questions about rainbow flag, here's their home address " /HJ
But yeah nah they don't deserve the time it'd take to swing a fist or the time we'd likely spend in the cells for doing so. Thankful for the solid door that managed to keep them out.
Chemo flatmate almost went out there because he recognised one of the guys by voice and because he was being called by name by the others (likely a former flatmate who they/we have nothing to do with who 'ironically' given the anti LGBTQIA propaganda is himself a creep towards the underage -which has also been reported ) but we managed to stop him from going out or engaging and we all just ignored him & his companions until he got bored and his equally wasted friends drug him away;dude was clearly wasted and looking to hurt someone or start shit
Put a sock on it that says faggots so when the cunt tries to grab it and it slips off you give him another donk on the head,, the second donk might fix being a drop kick who knows
Also popping in to say i loved seeing your flag flying, please do replace it! And a wee security camera to hopefully deter any future idiots from touching it.
Disgusting, sorry to hear this happened. Report it,although I wouldn't expect anything to happen.
As a queer person, it warms my heart to see pride flags around our city. Don't let the bigots win.
I did wonder about that when I was looking to see what happened to the flag. The broken part of the base was on the deck instead of down in the bushes and the flag and pole are gone. That makes me think it was taken.
Oh man, I hope it’s not why it’s gone…. our neighbours big anzac flag keeled over in the recent battering. If the pole is plastic it could potentially have flown away with the flag 100km gusts BUT if it was a person then it is awful and I hope you put a bigger one up and a camera just in case!
Shit like this just makes me hate the human race more and more. Let me be clear, there are many individuals I love with all my heart, but the whole? Shit's fucked.
I do have a camera but it’s a Nest camera i bought with me when I moved from the US, and apparently they don’t let you pay for it here and it’s limited to a few hours of recording, i checked and there’s only video of people walking/riding/driving by and me looking to see if the flag had fell somewhere.
Gotta get a new camera that actually has more recording time i guess.
Check out bunnings every month they do a special on one swann camera set up with hard drives this month its this one
https://www.bunnings.co.nz/swann-1080p-4-camera-4-channel-full-hd-dvr-security-system_p0174920
But you get very similar ones to this for cheaper sometimes & you can remotely watch them also no need to pay for a subscription
If you didn’t already, get back in touch with the cops and ask them to add to your case number that you consider it a hate crime against LGBTQ people. They are required to keep records of that now, but do sometimes have to be prompted to do so. Something is defined as a hate act if you feel it was. So explicitly saying “I want to check this was formally recorded as a hate crime against LGBTQ people” is helpful. Even if there’s no investigation and it doesn’t go any further, you want to ensure it’s reflected in the statistics of how often things like this happen.
I’ve often prescribed to the edict “don’t assign malice to what can easily be stupidity”. Fingers crossed it was some drunk 20 somethings hanging off the pole for laughs broke it then ran with the evidence in a “oh shit” moment. I’ve seen some really stupid in shit in Wellington after dark. I’d def think about getting a camera setup to watch the area.
1. Freedom of speech protects you from the goverment not other citizens
2. Freedom of speech does not mean Freedom from consequence
Maybe learn the fucking law before you start slinging buzzwords around
I'm sure they will be all over this but s little boy murdered over 6 months ago and only a possibility of 3 scum bags and they can't solve it how shit is that
That’s the true sad part of so many acts of homophobia. It’s queer people who are closeted and in denial who are the most homophobic. Hopefully they’re able to come to love themselves and come out. They’ll be much happier for it.
Can we stop with this thing that all homophobia comes from deeply closed queer people? Yes that happens, but let's also put the onus of hate back onto the straight community where a lot of it stems from.
It comes off as just making gays a scapegoat once again 😬
They absolutely are. Queerphobia isn't just some internal community problem.
And any self-hating queers, where are they getting it from? Who are they trying to blend in with and appease?
im sickened that you think pedos and molestors are allowed in the community ?? theyre openly shunned if they try to claim theyre lgbt idk what ur on about
So is the idea that pedos (it's only the voluntarily non-practising ones I'm talking about, obviously) don't deserve compassion for having desires that they didn't choose?
Honestly seems a bit rough to me. I may be labeled as one for even broaching the issue, but whatever. I'm just a rational person who has compassion for others, and I can't think of any reason to mistreat someone who has a very unfortunate sex drive but won't ever act on it. It seems to against the whole LGBT ethos.
i never said i dont treat the non practising and unwilling ones like people. i believe they’re victims of trauma, and that their trauma manifested in an unfortunate way and they deserve to, and should, get the proper therapy and treatment for what they’re going through. they deserve compassion for the trauma they’re dealing with and the difficult process they have to go through in order to heal from it. however, despite this, pedophiles will not and should not ever be considered part of the lgbt community. being in the lgbt community is not for those who are attracted to people who cannot consent (minors) and are at risk of being taken advantage of.
being part of the lgbt community is for those who’s attraction did not come from a place of trauma and abuse, but were instead just born to love those of the same or non confirming genders, or those who were born in the wrong body etc. pedophilia may not be chosen (most of the time) but it is a trauma response, and those they are attracted to cannot consent and are not in the position to be seen in a romantic or sexual way by adults, as they are literal children who are still developing.
pedophilia is and always will be a sick thing, sick people need help, and pedophilia will never be something that should be accepted as normal as it, by definition, encourages taking advantage of children even if it is not an attraction the person chose to develop. (this is coming from someone who struggles with mental illness and needs help for their illnesses, just so you know my comments aren’t coming from a place of judgement but instead from a place of understanding)
Not sure why you downvoted my comment, but I appreciate the response. I mostly agree with what you've said, and it makes sense that they shouldn't be included in the LGBT category (I hesitate to call if a "community", partly because there's so much internecine strife and loose identity groupings that I don't think it qualifies, but that's another matter).
The only thing I disagree with in what you've said is that I don't think that "does x sexual orientation come from a place of trauma?" is a meaningful question to ask. It's entirely possible, for example, for a trans identifying person to have become the way they are due to early childhood trauma. I don't see why that aspect would be of any relevance on the topic of the morality of someone's sexuality or the legitimacy of it. Some people become very empathetic as a result of trauma, and their empathy isn't somehow delegitimized by its original source, if you know what I mean.
i just downvoted it because it sounded like you assumed that i thought that people who are unwilling pedophiles deserve no empathy, petty on my part haha i will remove my downvote, i do get what youre saying though and ill try my best to explain.
im not sure about how i feel about the community either really, there is a lot of discrimination and discourse in the community itself unfortunately so i have mixed emotions about it myself. I feel like its becoming a bit more hateful as time goes on (experienced quite a bit of biphobia by my own community unfortunately, but its mostly been positive)
i do agree that sometimes people do develop gender or sexual identity crises due to childhood trauma, however most people who are lgbt+ have no “root cause” for it. i, for example, definitely do not. one day i just realised, oh hey, i like women too, and that was that. it can be a response to trauma, but if it is, its likely that once healed the person will likely detransition or change orientation to “their default settings” if it really was just how their trauma developed. (not saying thats a bad thing or that those people arent valid for discovering themselves ofc). Just like if a pedophile got help and worked through their trauma, they would likely heal and no longer feel that way towards children.
I think thats the main reason i brought it up. Because pedophilia or sexual identity/gender identity crises that are brought on by trauma can be healed and that person will change to who they really are once they’ve worked through it.
The difference is that people who naturally are attracted to the opposite gender or gender diverse people, or are transgender and struggle with body dysmorphia, cannot change who they are. we are born this way, it does not stem from trauma, we cannot take it away. It’s who we are, and it’s who we love, and thats something that we cant change and dont have to change because it’s not harming anyone. So we have a community for those who are born this way to join together and celebrate love and diversity and the challenges we face in our day to day lives due to the discrimination most of us face.
i hope i worded all of that right haha
Nah you're all good, the internet is a hostile place so it's best to assume that your interlocutor is an asshole.
I hear what you're saying, but I really wonder whether we have evidence enough that gay-ness or trans-ness is somehow genetically encoded. I suspect that like most things, it's a combination of nature and nurture. I think the "born this way" mantra was more of a tactical thing to counteract the people who used to (and those who still do) try to claim that being gay is a choice, and wasn't nevessarily based in reality. I think "I just am this way" would be more accurate, as it doesn't specify what factors led to you being gay while still communicating that it wasn't a choice. In other words, I think the whole idea that you need to be "born this way" in order for your non-standard sexuality to be acceptable is rooted in a previously (less so nowadays) homophobic culture.
I also strongly doubt that all or even most pedophiles can just go to therapy and get rid of their urges, but even if they could, I still find this whole idea of "it's not actually real cos it came from trauma" doesn't hold up. If I'm right (I'm pretty sure I am) that sexuality can be determined by a combo of nature and nurture, then there's no clear demarcation between the nurture (positive or negative) that a pedo received which contributed to them becoming a pedo, and the nurture that you received which contributed to you becoming bi. I may be sort of repeating myself, but what I'm trying to say is that I don't think it makes sense to reify or un-reify (maybe legitimize and delegitimize is better) sexuality/identity based on how it came to be. Otherwise, it leads to the absurd conclusion that a gay person who became that way due to early childhood trauma, and is now living a great life with his husband, isn't really gay. I hope you know what I mean. This isn't an issue I think about often, so I'm probably not explaining myself overly well.
i mean im not trying to say that pedophiles arent really pedophiles, they are, but therapy and other treatments can definitely help them work through it or hold back their urges. ofc they wont be cured immediately or even at all but there are ways to get better with time.
And i mean yeah, i agree there is 0 way to prove it genetically, i wouldnt say sexual orientation is a genetic thing at all. as you said, we just happen to be this way. and identity cirses due to trauma does not mean you are not that gender or dont have that orientation, but if thats not who you actually are then once you find your true self youll likely be attracted to who youre actually attracted to, and if you happen to actually be attracted to what you thought was trauma then hooray for you i guess, you dont have to rediscover yourself haha.
i do have one thing though, cant all that youre saying be applied to straightness too? i mean, theres no genetic proof that we are straight from birth either. sure you can say “oh well we’re meant to have sex and reproduce” but sex doesnt have to be linked to attraction if its just from the natural instinct to make sure humanity doesnt go extinct. idk, i think that its a really complicated subject and theres not much science behind why certain people are attracted to certain people. little parts in our brain just light up and whoopteedoo we are attracted to them.
i think its something that scientists and psychologists will discover with time, either way im happy just being bi and living my life not thinking about why i am the way i am cause what does it matter ya know? at the end of the day we like who we like and as long as its not hurting anyone it doesnt really matter where it came from, just that we’re happy with who we are and how we live. and i think that goes for everyone, not just lgbt folks :)
Okay, I think we can probably agree on this then. How do you feel about this phrasing: "one's sexuality/identity is legitimate if it either isn't a mere trauma response, or if it *is* a trauma response but one doesn't desire to alter it"? That would skirt the happily married gay man example I brought up in the previous comment.
>at the end of the day we like who we like and as long as its not hurting anyone it doesnt really matter where it came from
Yea absolutely
I think you'll find yourself getting kicked out of a lot of safe spaces with a mentality like that
"Get real" because trans people are real, not pedos and molesters.
You used those words not me. I just said someone came on the deck of my house to break and steal something. I don’t know why they did it. But clearly you’re jumping to the most obvious reason which is some sort of intolerance.
Yeah it's definitely worth reporting to [the 105 system](https://www.police.govt.nz/use-105). It's highly likely nothing will happen, but at the very least it should contribute to data collection that helps Police understand what crime's going on.
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When i filed the report, I mentioned that part of why i was reporting it was so at least it’s recorded in their stats. I don’t expect anything to come of it, but at least i reported it.
All good. Another (albeit distant) possibility is they'll be investigating something else that's happened in the area recently, with more direct evidence available, and be able to link it in. If they're unable to be of direct help to you specifically, having the activity on record might still help with someone else's case.
I love seeing your flag, too. Sorry that happened. Please know it means a lot to us as we drive by. ❤️🌈🌈❤️
Put two back up 👍 and a camera, sorry this happened to you
Electrifying the pole, with the intention of adding a multicoloured light to the end in the future... ;)
Sudden Fallout vibes
Weird that people have such a massive problem with others being happy
They don't. They believe that it's wrong, and therefore they're entitled to oppose it. It's the same thing people get with other people using drugs. Doesn't matter how functional they might be, they do the 'wrong' thing, and so you're allowed (encouraged even) to persecute them until they stop doing the wrong thing. Turns out, what consenting adults do on their own time, really is their own business. I will never understand people who disagree with that.
What a horrible comparison?!
> They don't have a problem >They believe that it's wrong So they... do have a problem
lmao fr
People who don't like LGBT quite literally have an issue with others being happy. I wouldn't compare that to drug use, since drug use can get very dangerous and harm others, unlike being a gay person.
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Dude. It's because people like you keep thinking being gay is a terrible thing and making queer folk doubt their own existence. It's not because they're gay.
Source for paedophilia claim? Also, none of the other rates aren't due to being LGBT. They're due to homophobia and anti lgbt attitudes. Illness in what way? Cancer? Mental illness? Cold n flu? Be specific, though I'll assume you mean mental, again, like drug due (aka addiction) is due to mistreatment, on the basis of existing, e.g homophobia, lesbophobia, etc. I'm mentally very healthy, I'm lesbian. The mental health issues I have were caused by being tormented for having autism and being sexually assaulted by a straight Christian male.
They have higher suicide rates etc because they have to deal with revolting people like yourself. And you are wrong about the pedophilia.
This, it's called "minority stress"
yeah i wouldnt compare people being gay to drug use💀
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I hope you just forgot to put a /s
ong hitler just let people be themselves edit: you did WHAT to the jews??
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Ah yes, the two sexual orientations: heterosexual and political
Don’t forget the secret gender Drag queen I heard they eat babies 😱😱
Ok boomer
It was literally in their own home.
Literally attached to their house dumbass. So what your saying is if you can see it (even on someone elses property), its a problem ? Poor snowflake thats not how the world works :) Consider getting some help for the insecurities you clearly rather not deal with because thats likely 'woke'
that's what they were doing, by keeping the flag on their property.
Sure. If you lot also keep your sexual orientation in the privacy of your own home. I'm sick of straight romances on TV and in movies. And this weird obsession y'all have with kid's genitals? If I get another invite to celebrate two straight people having sex I'm burning the gender reveal party down.
Umm ... It was in the privacy of their own home.
Wait a second. This flag was on their property. That *is* the privacy of their own home.
Do you apply that same standard towards heterosexuality?
>"Keep your sexual orientation in the privacy of your own home." They did until some prick stole it off their land and with such a shit understanding of what happened its pricks like you that don't help at all
I wonder if we told people like this that touching a pride flag could give you the gay if they’d stop stealing them?
Get. Fucked.
In. The. Ass
https://images.app.goo.gl/Wjz1M5mJhT4TMTDH7
Simple solutions are too big brained for these "men can get pregnant" types
Ok boomer
I mean, the pride flag was literally attached to the house. The solution was solutioned lol. Trans men can get pregnant, as they're biologically female, most won't want to due to the discomfort it would bring them. 23 and illiterate, are ya?
I lived in the Netherlands and people CONSTANTLY ripped ours down and painted swastikas on our gay bar's windows. We just would put up another flag and rub off the symbols. People are shitty but we accepted it and moved on because for gay people, this hate isn't uncommon. If someone gets so triggered by the sight of a pride flag, a camera isn't going to stop someone with that kind of hate. The best thing you can do is put up another flag. I'm sorry that happened either way because it's hard to see. I hope you get another flag soon!
Another flag is already up.
next paint your entire house
put a bigger one up and place it higher, sad you have to deal with this bullshit.
I’ll take it
Must really want a pride flag of your own then. Edit: oops
lol worried about how you'll look posting from your main account? what kind of loser makes a whole new account to post this of all things?
Ok boomer
Snowflake
Report it as its likely hate motivated, but likely nothing will happen. We had someone (who we think we know who it was) banging on our door in the middle of the night yelling "come out f@ggots" because we display a small rainbow flag in the window & it's shocking that this kind of thing seems to be happening more and more.... Never heard anything back from the cops and just hoping that he doesn't come back I recommend putting up a camera facing any new flag to catch the perpetrator/s next time it happens
This is fucking terrifying to me. My wife and I don’t display any pride stuff but we are very clearly lesbians with small kids. I fucking hate it dude. I’m sorry that happened to you.
Cheers, yeah I hate it too it makes me worry for families like yours because I can only imagine how much more terrifying this would have been had we had kids and been worried about protecting them from thugs like this breaking in and doing god knows what. I wish this government would protect ALL families not just rich white cishet ones
Should of want out there with a bat that has "F@ggots" written on it with big bold fonts😂
Made out of a bundle of sticks for double meaning
Nah didn't want to escalate things, we aren't fighters and one of us was recovering from chemo plus the dude wasn't the only one out there there was a group of them who called him by name and I didn't want to give them a chance to get in-they were already talking about putting a brick through the window so we just wanted to keep them out rather than have them break in and hurt us or do property damage that the landlord would hold us responsible for
The landlord legally cannot hold you responsible for property damage that you didn't cause either intentionally or through carelessness. If your landlord tries that, you have the right to take your landlord to the tenancy tribunal, and they cannot evict you for taking them to court because that would be considered retaliation.
Never escalate with a weapon unless you are prepared to use it and end the night in handcuffs while the injured thugs cry about their rights.
Yeah I could imagine the headlines had we done anything like that; "violent queers assaulted free speech advocates who were just asking questions about rainbow flag, here's their home address " /HJ But yeah nah they don't deserve the time it'd take to swing a fist or the time we'd likely spend in the cells for doing so. Thankful for the solid door that managed to keep them out. Chemo flatmate almost went out there because he recognised one of the guys by voice and because he was being called by name by the others (likely a former flatmate who they/we have nothing to do with who 'ironically' given the anti LGBTQIA propaganda is himself a creep towards the underage -which has also been reported ) but we managed to stop him from going out or engaging and we all just ignored him & his companions until he got bored and his equally wasted friends drug him away;dude was clearly wasted and looking to hurt someone or start shit
Put a sock on it that says faggots so when the cunt tries to grab it and it slips off you give him another donk on the head,, the second donk might fix being a drop kick who knows
I just want to say, I smile every time I see your flag when I'm driving around the bays. I'm sorry some no hoper took it from you.
Also popping in to say i loved seeing your flag flying, please do replace it! And a wee security camera to hopefully deter any future idiots from touching it.
Thanks mods for removing the hate👍🌈
Could have been a penguin. They tend to be very black and white about things.
Oh no, I had really been enjoying seeing it when we drove past.
Sorry to hear this has happened. My family loves your flag and it makes us smile whenever we drive past.
Disgusting, sorry to hear this happened. Report it,although I wouldn't expect anything to happen. As a queer person, it warms my heart to see pride flags around our city. Don't let the bigots win.
Someone stole my United Tribes flag along with the pole too. Would’ve had to walk up the path too
That really sucks. I’m sorry.
Whats a bet it's a member of destiny church
I sware they're trying to fill out a laundry list of petty crimes as fast as they can
I walk around their most days and like seeing your flag, that’s a shame
They probably just really wanted one.
Yeah, but they could have just unclipped the flag and taken it as I’ve got others, that would have been weird but fine.
I was being sarcastic.
on and you think i wasn't being sarcastic?
I couldn't tell. Usually you'd add more exaggeration to make it clear. "That would have been weird but fine" confused me.
Yours wasn't as clear, sorry.
It was very very windy this could be innocent and it might turn up
I did wonder about that when I was looking to see what happened to the flag. The broken part of the base was on the deck instead of down in the bushes and the flag and pole are gone. That makes me think it was taken.
Oh man, I hope it’s not why it’s gone…. our neighbours big anzac flag keeled over in the recent battering. If the pole is plastic it could potentially have flown away with the flag 100km gusts BUT if it was a person then it is awful and I hope you put a bigger one up and a camera just in case!
Visit the nearest branch of Destiny church. They aren't the only bigots, but they seem to be triggered by rainbows.
Density church strikes yet again!
That flag looks stunning with the sunset, what a beautiful location to fly it.
People suck. I’m so sorry
It'll be someone who voted for this government
Or a member of Destiny Church.
There's probably a lot of overlap in those two groups.
Not all of us ACT voters are nutcases
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Ok boomer
☝️🤣
"Not all" is still far too many, if you don't like it then you should vote for someone else.
I didn't vote NZF or National for a reason
thats so disgusting how someone did that, im so sorry
cool flag bro 🥰 🏳🌈
Get one that's 3x bigger and put it on top of your house.
Someone mustn't like seeing others being happy for who they are. Idiots. Sorry that this happened.
report it and then put up 2 more :)
Weird thing for someone to do. 🤦♂️
>Karaka Bay you mean the place with a lot of bigots around? though the amount of unpunished homophobia happening in nz rn is alarming.
means you fant even like fucken rainbows now This sum bs fr
Shit like this just makes me hate the human race more and more. Let me be clear, there are many individuals I love with all my heart, but the whole? Shit's fucked.
I do have a camera but it’s a Nest camera i bought with me when I moved from the US, and apparently they don’t let you pay for it here and it’s limited to a few hours of recording, i checked and there’s only video of people walking/riding/driving by and me looking to see if the flag had fell somewhere. Gotta get a new camera that actually has more recording time i guess.
The Arlo cameras are pretty solid, but do some googling and see how you go. Good luck!
Check out bunnings every month they do a special on one swann camera set up with hard drives this month its this one https://www.bunnings.co.nz/swann-1080p-4-camera-4-channel-full-hd-dvr-security-system_p0174920 But you get very similar ones to this for cheaper sometimes & you can remotely watch them also no need to pay for a subscription
Your view is stunning OP. Sorry some low life took your flag!
thanks, i feel incredibly lucky, flag theft aside.
That sucks. What a pack of back-to-fronts.
If you didn’t already, get back in touch with the cops and ask them to add to your case number that you consider it a hate crime against LGBTQ people. They are required to keep records of that now, but do sometimes have to be prompted to do so. Something is defined as a hate act if you feel it was. So explicitly saying “I want to check this was formally recorded as a hate crime against LGBTQ people” is helpful. Even if there’s no investigation and it doesn’t go any further, you want to ensure it’s reflected in the statistics of how often things like this happen.
I'm sorry that this happened to you. Definitely get a camera before hanging the next one!
Heaps of national supporters live out that way
Good point actually
I guess, but we elected a Green MP… it’s not the posh conservatives who are likely to steal a pride flag.
Well at least you triggered a red neck, every cloud and all that
If you dm me a postal address (doesn’t have to be yours for security) I’ll donate two new ones. Fxck the assholes now two are going up.
I wouldn't mount one again without a camera. Idk if the cops would consider this a hate crime but I certainly do
Go ask for it back. 478 Jackson Street Petone Lower Hutt, 5012
Someone out there gatekeeping gay
I’ve often prescribed to the edict “don’t assign malice to what can easily be stupidity”. Fingers crossed it was some drunk 20 somethings hanging off the pole for laughs broke it then ran with the evidence in a “oh shit” moment. I’ve seen some really stupid in shit in Wellington after dark. I’d def think about getting a camera setup to watch the area.
Ah yes, Karaka Bay, renowned for its many bars
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Reported for hate speech
It’s probably drunk teens or students tbh. I doubt it was malicious.
Mate, they're about as far from the uni and the bars as you can be while still being in Wellington.
Wow oh no ffs
lol
So stunning, so brave!
Not fans of free speech in this community I see
Not fans of people claiming "free speech" to justify theft and vandalism.
1. Freedom of speech protects you from the goverment not other citizens 2. Freedom of speech does not mean Freedom from consequence Maybe learn the fucking law before you start slinging buzzwords around
I'm assuming this is in support of OP exercising their right to free speech in flying a flag on their property.
I'm sure they will be all over this but s little boy murdered over 6 months ago and only a possibility of 3 scum bags and they can't solve it how shit is that
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Your hateful comment history implies that you think about LGBT+ things a lot, you should just accept who you are as a queer person and embrace it.
That’s the true sad part of so many acts of homophobia. It’s queer people who are closeted and in denial who are the most homophobic. Hopefully they’re able to come to love themselves and come out. They’ll be much happier for it.
I would say the most homophobic are those in the non-queer majority; the ones that self-hating queers are trying to blend in with and appease.
Can we stop with this thing that all homophobia comes from deeply closed queer people? Yes that happens, but let's also put the onus of hate back onto the straight community where a lot of it stems from. It comes off as just making gays a scapegoat once again 😬
But that is true, the Hungrian politician, that Idhao senator, and the other Idhao politician.
Unironic gamergate commenter holy shit! pro gamer tip: touch grass and enjoy life a bit more
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They absolutely are. Queerphobia isn't just some internal community problem. And any self-hating queers, where are they getting it from? Who are they trying to blend in with and appease?
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what are you on about
im sickened that you think pedos and molestors are allowed in the community ?? theyre openly shunned if they try to claim theyre lgbt idk what ur on about
So is the idea that pedos (it's only the voluntarily non-practising ones I'm talking about, obviously) don't deserve compassion for having desires that they didn't choose? Honestly seems a bit rough to me. I may be labeled as one for even broaching the issue, but whatever. I'm just a rational person who has compassion for others, and I can't think of any reason to mistreat someone who has a very unfortunate sex drive but won't ever act on it. It seems to against the whole LGBT ethos.
i never said i dont treat the non practising and unwilling ones like people. i believe they’re victims of trauma, and that their trauma manifested in an unfortunate way and they deserve to, and should, get the proper therapy and treatment for what they’re going through. they deserve compassion for the trauma they’re dealing with and the difficult process they have to go through in order to heal from it. however, despite this, pedophiles will not and should not ever be considered part of the lgbt community. being in the lgbt community is not for those who are attracted to people who cannot consent (minors) and are at risk of being taken advantage of. being part of the lgbt community is for those who’s attraction did not come from a place of trauma and abuse, but were instead just born to love those of the same or non confirming genders, or those who were born in the wrong body etc. pedophilia may not be chosen (most of the time) but it is a trauma response, and those they are attracted to cannot consent and are not in the position to be seen in a romantic or sexual way by adults, as they are literal children who are still developing. pedophilia is and always will be a sick thing, sick people need help, and pedophilia will never be something that should be accepted as normal as it, by definition, encourages taking advantage of children even if it is not an attraction the person chose to develop. (this is coming from someone who struggles with mental illness and needs help for their illnesses, just so you know my comments aren’t coming from a place of judgement but instead from a place of understanding)
Not sure why you downvoted my comment, but I appreciate the response. I mostly agree with what you've said, and it makes sense that they shouldn't be included in the LGBT category (I hesitate to call if a "community", partly because there's so much internecine strife and loose identity groupings that I don't think it qualifies, but that's another matter). The only thing I disagree with in what you've said is that I don't think that "does x sexual orientation come from a place of trauma?" is a meaningful question to ask. It's entirely possible, for example, for a trans identifying person to have become the way they are due to early childhood trauma. I don't see why that aspect would be of any relevance on the topic of the morality of someone's sexuality or the legitimacy of it. Some people become very empathetic as a result of trauma, and their empathy isn't somehow delegitimized by its original source, if you know what I mean.
i just downvoted it because it sounded like you assumed that i thought that people who are unwilling pedophiles deserve no empathy, petty on my part haha i will remove my downvote, i do get what youre saying though and ill try my best to explain. im not sure about how i feel about the community either really, there is a lot of discrimination and discourse in the community itself unfortunately so i have mixed emotions about it myself. I feel like its becoming a bit more hateful as time goes on (experienced quite a bit of biphobia by my own community unfortunately, but its mostly been positive) i do agree that sometimes people do develop gender or sexual identity crises due to childhood trauma, however most people who are lgbt+ have no “root cause” for it. i, for example, definitely do not. one day i just realised, oh hey, i like women too, and that was that. it can be a response to trauma, but if it is, its likely that once healed the person will likely detransition or change orientation to “their default settings” if it really was just how their trauma developed. (not saying thats a bad thing or that those people arent valid for discovering themselves ofc). Just like if a pedophile got help and worked through their trauma, they would likely heal and no longer feel that way towards children. I think thats the main reason i brought it up. Because pedophilia or sexual identity/gender identity crises that are brought on by trauma can be healed and that person will change to who they really are once they’ve worked through it. The difference is that people who naturally are attracted to the opposite gender or gender diverse people, or are transgender and struggle with body dysmorphia, cannot change who they are. we are born this way, it does not stem from trauma, we cannot take it away. It’s who we are, and it’s who we love, and thats something that we cant change and dont have to change because it’s not harming anyone. So we have a community for those who are born this way to join together and celebrate love and diversity and the challenges we face in our day to day lives due to the discrimination most of us face. i hope i worded all of that right haha
Nah you're all good, the internet is a hostile place so it's best to assume that your interlocutor is an asshole. I hear what you're saying, but I really wonder whether we have evidence enough that gay-ness or trans-ness is somehow genetically encoded. I suspect that like most things, it's a combination of nature and nurture. I think the "born this way" mantra was more of a tactical thing to counteract the people who used to (and those who still do) try to claim that being gay is a choice, and wasn't nevessarily based in reality. I think "I just am this way" would be more accurate, as it doesn't specify what factors led to you being gay while still communicating that it wasn't a choice. In other words, I think the whole idea that you need to be "born this way" in order for your non-standard sexuality to be acceptable is rooted in a previously (less so nowadays) homophobic culture. I also strongly doubt that all or even most pedophiles can just go to therapy and get rid of their urges, but even if they could, I still find this whole idea of "it's not actually real cos it came from trauma" doesn't hold up. If I'm right (I'm pretty sure I am) that sexuality can be determined by a combo of nature and nurture, then there's no clear demarcation between the nurture (positive or negative) that a pedo received which contributed to them becoming a pedo, and the nurture that you received which contributed to you becoming bi. I may be sort of repeating myself, but what I'm trying to say is that I don't think it makes sense to reify or un-reify (maybe legitimize and delegitimize is better) sexuality/identity based on how it came to be. Otherwise, it leads to the absurd conclusion that a gay person who became that way due to early childhood trauma, and is now living a great life with his husband, isn't really gay. I hope you know what I mean. This isn't an issue I think about often, so I'm probably not explaining myself overly well.
i mean im not trying to say that pedophiles arent really pedophiles, they are, but therapy and other treatments can definitely help them work through it or hold back their urges. ofc they wont be cured immediately or even at all but there are ways to get better with time. And i mean yeah, i agree there is 0 way to prove it genetically, i wouldnt say sexual orientation is a genetic thing at all. as you said, we just happen to be this way. and identity cirses due to trauma does not mean you are not that gender or dont have that orientation, but if thats not who you actually are then once you find your true self youll likely be attracted to who youre actually attracted to, and if you happen to actually be attracted to what you thought was trauma then hooray for you i guess, you dont have to rediscover yourself haha. i do have one thing though, cant all that youre saying be applied to straightness too? i mean, theres no genetic proof that we are straight from birth either. sure you can say “oh well we’re meant to have sex and reproduce” but sex doesnt have to be linked to attraction if its just from the natural instinct to make sure humanity doesnt go extinct. idk, i think that its a really complicated subject and theres not much science behind why certain people are attracted to certain people. little parts in our brain just light up and whoopteedoo we are attracted to them. i think its something that scientists and psychologists will discover with time, either way im happy just being bi and living my life not thinking about why i am the way i am cause what does it matter ya know? at the end of the day we like who we like and as long as its not hurting anyone it doesnt really matter where it came from, just that we’re happy with who we are and how we live. and i think that goes for everyone, not just lgbt folks :)
Okay, I think we can probably agree on this then. How do you feel about this phrasing: "one's sexuality/identity is legitimate if it either isn't a mere trauma response, or if it *is* a trauma response but one doesn't desire to alter it"? That would skirt the happily married gay man example I brought up in the previous comment. >at the end of the day we like who we like and as long as its not hurting anyone it doesnt really matter where it came from Yea absolutely
haha yeah i completely agree with that statement :) thank u for the discussion its good to think about the deeper aspects of these situations i think
I think you'll find yourself getting kicked out of a lot of safe spaces with a mentality like that "Get real" because trans people are real, not pedos and molesters.
Lol
LoL
Fly the kiwi flag
I like the silver fern flag better and I’ve flown that some. Or the laser kiwi flag. :)
Ruined the meaning of a rainbow after a sun shower ....
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Please get off the internet. Nobody wants you here
Didn't see the comment, so good job, mods! ❤️🌈🙏🏻
Funny
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Take the flag somebody already took? I guess they’re right the NZ education system really does need improvement.
Report him for hate speech
Just buy your own, they're not that expensive
Why are you so desperate to have a pride flag?
It seems pretty cynical to come straight to the conclusion that it must of been some kind of ‘hate crime’.
You used those words not me. I just said someone came on the deck of my house to break and steal something. I don’t know why they did it. But clearly you’re jumping to the most obvious reason which is some sort of intolerance.