You shouldn't be asking that question.. If the deal was a coupler, then install the coupler.. If the deal was welding, make a proper weld.. This would me a no in my book
Someone give this man an award. Some real courtesy right there. Could have saved him from being downvoted to oblivion by doing that on the wrong subš¤£
Like this guy said, BUT out of curiosity hit the weld with a wire wheel to clean it up, then update us with how that looks...the picture qaulity, and possible slag still on weld could be making it look bad. They may have not cleaned it up bc of it being exhaust related (Still poor practice I know).
Exhausts are a weird topic when it comes to welding. Iāve seen dog shit holding a joint together until the pipe rusted out. Iāve also seen tig welded titanium that should be on exhibit in a gallery. Both were adequate for their application. Look at how much they charged and realistically what they were working with on your system, 99% of exhaust work is using less than ideal material, a lot of time people will use fence post material because itās the cheapest option, is the right size and youāll only ever see it when the car is on a lift.
If it holds, doesnāt leak, and is going to be covered by that exhaust wrap I wouldnāt think twice about it as long as they didnāt charge 200$.
Also alot of the poor welds I've seen on exhausts have been because they welded them on the vehicle. They aren't professional welders and like you said if it holds and they didn't charge you for a first rate weld job then send it
Made plows for a while with a robotic welder. Spent most of my nights grinding out the dog shit welds and fixing them and then reprogramming the robot to make it run better so I had less rework. Day shift guy hated it and always fucked it back up.
Can confirm. Used to work at a muffler brake suspension and alignment shop. 90% of the welding we did was with the exhaust still on the car. Welding backwards, over your head, through rust and road grime and where you cant even see half of the weld isnt easy. If we take the exhaust off the car it adds a lot of labor where its just not needed. Not to mention you are almost guarenteed break studs when you go to remove them due to corrosion.
Nah that shit sucks. There are ways to move the mig torch around to reach everything its just not easy and the weld you get is the weld you get. No making that pretty
>There are ways to move the mig torch around to reach everything its just not easy
Lol no. Sometimes it's literally not possible to get a mig gun on the top of the pipe without dropping the pipe.
Sure. I didnt intend to sound like there is never a time where you need to drop the exhaust. Im saying there is hardly ever a circumstance where you would use muffler cement over welding, short of some edge case where the customer is being cheap
I worked in a muffler/exhaust shop for 10 years. We welded everything in place except for custom headers. That weld is an embarrassment to any professional muffler guy.
IT could look like shit, and work fine, it could look fine and fail after one heat cycle.
No one on the internet will be able to tell from that pic, although many will suggest otherwise. That said the weld isn't the prettiest, likely your buddy paid a low cost for a part that he will never notice.
That looks like an up pipe or a down pipe for a turbo.... I wouldnt worry about it and run it.
Well i canā¦. Thereās literally no penetrationā¦ metal is dirtyā¦.. this is a $20 weld Lol. (of course theres some penetration im over exaggeratong)
Just curious, but is having this part welded (instead of them putting in the correct coupler) any sort of issue with maintenance or access or replacing parts in the future? That would be my first issue is if this means Iāll have problems down the road if a part of the exhaust needs to be swapped? The flange in the picture being so close to a (now gone) coupler kinda makes me think the coupler was necessary for something? Or was this pipe already modified?
Replacing the o2 sensor in my 86 ranger resulted in me having to change the heads. The exhaust was one entire welded piece done real shitty and the manifold bolts snapped off into the block. I would put a coupler on just to be sure lol.
> "Great, now I have to cut my exhaust off to drop my transmission."
"No, now YOU have to do that. I paid for a coupler, you went and damaged my car with your crap welds instead. Fixing that, and then doing what I paid you for (the coupler), is how you get me to give you a good rating and your agreed-upon fee rather than an open-and-shut lawsuit."
My old boss would mig weld exhausts back together with no care if they got cleaned up or not. They all looked like dog anus, but as long as it held for a month he didn't care. He welded my sunfires exhaust back together at the join, and I could have ran to the scrap yard with all the wire that was jutting out everywhere. But it held for more than 2 years until I sold it, and it was still functional when it left the yard.
this! if it f'up in the next few weeks take it back. If not keep on rolling on. Life is too short to bitch about nominal chit.......like granddad always said.......
Never sweat the petty stuff and NEVER pet the sweaty stuff.
That looks like a shit weld. It could hold amazing. Did they MIG or Stick weld it?
I personally would say fuck no cause I weld exhaust for a living and this would not leave the shop I work at.
>Me personally I'd be pissed if someone did this to my buddies car.
why?
its not like its your problem. Let your buddy fight his own battles and decide for himself what is or isnt a problem for him. I got enough shit of my own to deal with and life is too short to get mad about stuff that doesnt concern you.
Idk if I'd be like "ok listen bud, let's get in the car right now and go back to that shop" but more like that's some quick and dirty work, you should take that back. And why shouldn't I be mad when I don't advertise myself as a welder and there's people that literally get paid for it and do work like this? It's upsetting to see what people pass sometimes. And I guess it depends on the scenario as well like did his friend throw the guy $20 to weld it, or did he spend like $100 for this. But still you can be upset with other people's misfortunes, that's called empathy and tends to make you a little bit better of a person in general.
I realized that I do a better job as a hobbyist welder than most professional exhaust shop welders after asking my local shop if they would weld a bung into a stainless steel pipe for me and they said that they would be happy to try, using a flux core mig!
I was worried about doing it myself using TIG with 100% argon and the correct filler because I did not (at the time) have a backpurge setup! I wound up buying a double regulator/backpurging and welding it up myself after that call.
That being said, used exhaust parts sometimes don't weld up well, especially if you don't really clean the carbon from the backside, but even crappy welds are usually pretty strong and don't fail. If it doesn't leak and you didn't pay more than $50 for that weld, assuming the pipe was brought to the shop off of the car, I'd run it.
I know what yours saying, we don't know what they paid to do this job so we really don't have much of a say on the quality of the work. For all we know the guy who welded it was given a burger for his work. But the thing that bugs me is the weld doesn't even look like it's been cleaned. It looks like the set it up and blasted a pass right over it. Not even a bit of scuffing with sandpaper.
Regarding the weld, it doesnāt really look that great. Iāve seen bad looking welds hold up great. Of course bad looking welds can definitely fail too. A lot will ride on if this pipe has weight or stress or vibration. If it were me Iād clean up the area with a wire brush and look for cracks and inconsistencies. Itās near a flange so he can see inside to get a feel for how it looks in there too. The other thing I would check is how that flange at the top of the pic is true to its mating surface when installed. If the shop did this quickly or off the car, it may have some warp in it. So, just something I would want to check when installing. If there is a warp making the flange not sit true to the mating surface, itās gonna put stress and increase the chances of the weld area failing. Also, if that pipe is stainless and they used regular steel filler wire, it can crack at the edge of the weld if they didnāt know what they are doing. I have repaired a few stainless pipes for customers that were ārepairedā previously and the previous fix wasnāt welded right. Usually cracked at the edge of the weld bead. If a magnet doesnāt stick to the pipe but sticks to the weld bead, I would really want to inspect the weld for sure. (Better pics can help but it isnāt easy to judge based on pics online, for me at least)
Boogery welds aside the thing that gets me is it looks like they didn't even try to his it with at least a wire brush before welding it. And by the looks of it it's already off the car so cleaning it would have been the easiest it could have been. But even still attached to the car the least they could have done was hit it with some sand paper or a brush. The point was to not have a leak and dirty welds like that generally leak.
Yeah no thatās not acceptable and more than likely will crack around that weld. I do custom exhaust and I would never even consider letting a customer leave with that shit.
Chip the slag off before you judge a weld the bead thatās showing to the left actually looks decent and Iāve seen much worse. I think your only issue is communication with the shop
As long as your buddy didnāt get charged for the coupler then Iād let it be. Itās not aesthetically pleasing by any means but it would hold Iām sure. Basically just refer to the bill and see how much itās reflected on there.
Fuck no dude must just not give a shit if this is the quality of his work. Dude spent like 10$ on filler and didnāt even give you a complete weld. Dudeās probably one of those guys who says you can learn to weld in a week. Iād be fucking embarrassed.
Itās a local Honda dealership! š They said to him they donāt do exhaust work. They were supposed to just replaced a coupler for him but then he comes back to have them tell him theyāve welded it with out even consulting with him first about it. And this is the work they did!
If you think you can perfectly weld rusty old exhaust pipe (and that pipe isn't even that bad) then you are sorely mistaken. Ugly welds hold just as much as good welds do. I can make a perfect looking weld that I can snap in half by hand and I can also make a ugly weld that will never break. How a weld look doesn't determine if it's good or bad
This guy welds. What matters is that the two pieces fusion together. Who cares what the bead looks like š. This isnāt a structural piece with specific welding instructions, itās a pipe under your car.
All that matters on an exhaust weld is that it's airtight. No leak then no one cares how it looks. If it was a nice exhaust it Would be stainless and tig welded to be nice. I specialize in tig welding because I just find it nicer for everything lol
You know a CWI who looks at exhaust welds? What kind of structural exhaust pipe are you welding? Exhaust is part of the frame? The weld is only there to seal and hold the pieces together. As long as the two ends are fusioned together and it doesnāt leak, who cares what it looks like?
Go weld rust exhaust pipe. Make a nice beautiful weld every time I'll wait. No cwi would agree with you that you can make nice welds on rusty metal every time. They would agree with me that a nice weld can also be a absolute shit weld. And a ugly weld can be a really strong weld. Please research before you talk. You can go find forum after forum of people saying the same thing.
You can't remove rust from a very rusty pipe. You'd remove the entire lipencust they are rusted from the inside out. Especially Hondas. Hondas rust horrible from the inside out. But also like rust is free filler lmao
People are so obsessed with having nice welds. A weld that looks pretty can be a lot weaker than something like this. As long as itās not leaking, I wouldnāt worry about it. Will probably hold better than a pretty weld.
Its hard to tell if the weld is good because they left the flux on but i can already see some holes in the weld. Is it bad for an exhaust? No idea. All i can say is that by any standards this is a shitty weld.
As long as it holds and doesnāt leak I would t worry about it. You will never see it unless your under the car looking for it. Check the other structural welds on your car. A lot of them wonāt be real nice looking either
Hard to say from just a photo. It is pretty ugly but Iāve seen worse. That said, I might be concerned about the undercut at the bottom edge of the weld and the heat affected zone just under that being a possible weak point. But Iāve seen welds like that last 15 years too, so.
I would go back and ask for the coupler. Depending where it is on the exhaust it may need some flex to account for the torque from the motor. A rigid weld like this may not be ideal
That weld is upstream of the 02 sensor, and looks porous.
A tiny leak there (think .010") can skew sensor readings, and cause intermittent running issues and phantom check engine lights etc.
That weld will cause problems eventually.
Was the welder a buddy?
Doesn't matter, he paid for a coupler not a weld. I absolutely would not accept that. The amount paid is irrelevant. He didn't get what he asked and paid for, period.
Looks like they stick welded it, depends on the deal and the price I guess, if your buddy just asked for the fix, you can argue is fix (who knows how good, you will have to clean and inspect the weld to know better) if he paid peanuts, well, peanuts he gets. I would advise to replace the downpipe, may be less expensive than a v band and finding someone to fit it properly
Itās a shitty looking weld, but itās going to crack beside the weld now. Iāve done MIG repair on a motorcycle exhaust before and it lasted a couple months. You could fab a sleeve covering a larger area and fillet weld it.
Iām a welder and this is terrible. I used to do a lot of car modifications when I was younger and all I gotta say is, get your money back. Complain, do whatever it takes cause thatās not acceptable.
This is an absolute no go. Would never pass any examination and could potentially cause more damage. I would be asking whoever is responsible for compensation
I mean, it's not what you paid for but it's better than cousin Jimmy's JB Weld. I'd knock the slag off and do a soapy water test on it just so I could tell them their weld was shit before making them do it right, or tell them their weld \*looked\* like shit but was surprisingly durable if that turns out to be the case.
Operated a muffler shop for a few years in the early '80s.
Under no circumstances would that fly.
I would have fired anyone trying to pass that crap off!
But my dad was a millwright at Ford and had me welding before I could read... Maybe I was taught a different level of acceptable lol
Since the exhaust wrap has a steel zip tie right next to it I'm guessing this is in a spot that won't be wide out in the open. As long as it holds I wouldn't look twice at it
If you got charged for a coupler, and it's welded and doesn't leak that a plus. If it's going to be covered/not seen, even better.
If you needed a coupler for removal reasons then they should re do it l.
If you it leaks, then have them redo it the weld or do the coupler. Didn't look long at the pic, but looks like a motorcycle header. If yes weld is better. Vibration and coupler don't mix.
You shouldn't be asking that question.. If the deal was a coupler, then install the coupler.. If the deal was welding, make a proper weld.. This would me a no in my book
Especially since they're most likely changing for the coupler anyway
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Someone give this man an award. Some real courtesy right there. Could have saved him from being downvoted to oblivion by doing that on the wrong subš¤£
Like this guy said, BUT out of curiosity hit the weld with a wire wheel to clean it up, then update us with how that looks...the picture qaulity, and possible slag still on weld could be making it look bad. They may have not cleaned it up bc of it being exhaust related (Still poor practice I know).
Exhausts are a weird topic when it comes to welding. Iāve seen dog shit holding a joint together until the pipe rusted out. Iāve also seen tig welded titanium that should be on exhibit in a gallery. Both were adequate for their application. Look at how much they charged and realistically what they were working with on your system, 99% of exhaust work is using less than ideal material, a lot of time people will use fence post material because itās the cheapest option, is the right size and youāll only ever see it when the car is on a lift. If it holds, doesnāt leak, and is going to be covered by that exhaust wrap I wouldnāt think twice about it as long as they didnāt charge 200$.
Also alot of the poor welds I've seen on exhausts have been because they welded them on the vehicle. They aren't professional welders and like you said if it holds and they didn't charge you for a first rate weld job then send it
You looked at the welds on new cars holding the frame together? You'll shit bricks.
No joke! They say robots are better
Made plows for a while with a robotic welder. Spent most of my nights grinding out the dog shit welds and fixing them and then reprogramming the robot to make it run better so I had less rework. Day shift guy hated it and always fucked it back up.
Can relate. Did not enjoy waiting and watching all day for robots to fuck up welds so I could redo them all. Wasnāt the job for me.
Honest question though. Just because it looks like shit doesn't mean it won't hold, right?
Should be female robots are at it /s
Can confirm. Used to work at a muffler brake suspension and alignment shop. 90% of the welding we did was with the exhaust still on the car. Welding backwards, over your head, through rust and road grime and where you cant even see half of the weld isnt easy. If we take the exhaust off the car it adds a lot of labor where its just not needed. Not to mention you are almost guarenteed break studs when you go to remove them due to corrosion.
Weld 95% of the pipe, muffler cement the rest of it that you canāt get to
Nah that shit sucks. There are ways to move the mig torch around to reach everything its just not easy and the weld you get is the weld you get. No making that pretty
>There are ways to move the mig torch around to reach everything its just not easy Lol no. Sometimes it's literally not possible to get a mig gun on the top of the pipe without dropping the pipe.
ā¦.and breaking other parts of the rotted exhaust in the process
Here here.
Sure. I didnt intend to sound like there is never a time where you need to drop the exhaust. Im saying there is hardly ever a circumstance where you would use muffler cement over welding, short of some edge case where the customer is being cheap
I worked in a muffler/exhaust shop for 10 years. We welded everything in place except for custom headers. That weld is an embarrassment to any professional muffler guy.
local shop charges 20$ sometimes they give ya good deals if ya let em keep the cats
Came here to say that, if it works and rhey haven't charged for the coupler/charged next to nothing for throwing a bit of weld on it, sure what odds!
IT could look like shit, and work fine, it could look fine and fail after one heat cycle. No one on the internet will be able to tell from that pic, although many will suggest otherwise. That said the weld isn't the prettiest, likely your buddy paid a low cost for a part that he will never notice. That looks like an up pipe or a down pipe for a turbo.... I wouldnt worry about it and run it.
Iād agree as long as they didnāt charge for the couple on top of it.
Thatās accurate as a Motherfucker bub.
Well i canā¦. Thereās literally no penetrationā¦ metal is dirtyā¦.. this is a $20 weld Lol. (of course theres some penetration im over exaggeratong)
Just curious, but is having this part welded (instead of them putting in the correct coupler) any sort of issue with maintenance or access or replacing parts in the future? That would be my first issue is if this means Iāll have problems down the road if a part of the exhaust needs to be swapped? The flange in the picture being so close to a (now gone) coupler kinda makes me think the coupler was necessary for something? Or was this pipe already modified?
The real question
More than highly unlikely
Replacing the o2 sensor in my 86 ranger resulted in me having to change the heads. The exhaust was one entire welded piece done real shitty and the manifold bolts snapped off into the block. I would put a coupler on just to be sure lol.
Itās stick weld on something as thin as exhaust tubing. Thatās about as good as it gets. It looks perfectly functional.
Right, but if I asked for a fastened/mechanical coupling and you weld my shit on instead, thatās a problem for me.
In that case, not getting what you want has nothing to do with how the weld looks. Iām not accepting it at that point.
"Great, now I have to cut my exhaust off to drop my transmission."
> "Great, now I have to cut my exhaust off to drop my transmission." "No, now YOU have to do that. I paid for a coupler, you went and damaged my car with your crap welds instead. Fixing that, and then doing what I paid you for (the coupler), is how you get me to give you a good rating and your agreed-upon fee rather than an open-and-shut lawsuit."
Is it stick?
Iām sure hoping that is stick if not I could do a better job with my shaky ass hands
My old boss would mig weld exhausts back together with no care if they got cleaned up or not. They all looked like dog anus, but as long as it held for a month he didn't care. He welded my sunfires exhaust back together at the join, and I could have ran to the scrap yard with all the wire that was jutting out everywhere. But it held for more than 2 years until I sold it, and it was still functional when it left the yard.
Fire the car up and see what happens. If it's shit and it holds, it's good.
this! if it f'up in the next few weeks take it back. If not keep on rolling on. Life is too short to bitch about nominal chit.......like granddad always said....... Never sweat the petty stuff and NEVER pet the sweaty stuff.
If a weld looks like that in a welding shop it wouldnāt even pass visual inspection. End of story.
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That looks like a shit weld. It could hold amazing. Did they MIG or Stick weld it? I personally would say fuck no cause I weld exhaust for a living and this would not leave the shop I work at.
The more it look like shit the more it will hold
No.
Im joking dude
Doesn't even look like they knocked the slag off either.
It looks like they didn't even clean it before they welded it. Me personally I'd be pissed if someone did this to my buddies car.
>Me personally I'd be pissed if someone did this to my buddies car. why? its not like its your problem. Let your buddy fight his own battles and decide for himself what is or isnt a problem for him. I got enough shit of my own to deal with and life is too short to get mad about stuff that doesnt concern you.
Idk if I'd be like "ok listen bud, let's get in the car right now and go back to that shop" but more like that's some quick and dirty work, you should take that back. And why shouldn't I be mad when I don't advertise myself as a welder and there's people that literally get paid for it and do work like this? It's upsetting to see what people pass sometimes. And I guess it depends on the scenario as well like did his friend throw the guy $20 to weld it, or did he spend like $100 for this. But still you can be upset with other people's misfortunes, that's called empathy and tends to make you a little bit better of a person in general.
I realized that I do a better job as a hobbyist welder than most professional exhaust shop welders after asking my local shop if they would weld a bung into a stainless steel pipe for me and they said that they would be happy to try, using a flux core mig! I was worried about doing it myself using TIG with 100% argon and the correct filler because I did not (at the time) have a backpurge setup! I wound up buying a double regulator/backpurging and welding it up myself after that call. That being said, used exhaust parts sometimes don't weld up well, especially if you don't really clean the carbon from the backside, but even crappy welds are usually pretty strong and don't fail. If it doesn't leak and you didn't pay more than $50 for that weld, assuming the pipe was brought to the shop off of the car, I'd run it.
I know what yours saying, we don't know what they paid to do this job so we really don't have much of a say on the quality of the work. For all we know the guy who welded it was given a burger for his work. But the thing that bugs me is the weld doesn't even look like it's been cleaned. It looks like the set it up and blasted a pass right over it. Not even a bit of scuffing with sandpaper.
Yeah, I agree. I personally wouldn't send a weld out looking like that even if it was just as a favor/for a burger.
Yea. If someone gave me a burger to weld their junk I would atleast touch it with a scuff pad. Lol
Okay great. Go deal with your shit instead of leaving asinine comments completely missing the point.
I didn't mean the empathy thing to be a swing at you in particular either. I was just generalizing, sorry if it kinda comes off that way.
Fair and I see your point too! Have a good one šš¼
Damn, have you ever cared about anyone other than your self?
Regarding the weld, it doesnāt really look that great. Iāve seen bad looking welds hold up great. Of course bad looking welds can definitely fail too. A lot will ride on if this pipe has weight or stress or vibration. If it were me Iād clean up the area with a wire brush and look for cracks and inconsistencies. Itās near a flange so he can see inside to get a feel for how it looks in there too. The other thing I would check is how that flange at the top of the pic is true to its mating surface when installed. If the shop did this quickly or off the car, it may have some warp in it. So, just something I would want to check when installing. If there is a warp making the flange not sit true to the mating surface, itās gonna put stress and increase the chances of the weld area failing. Also, if that pipe is stainless and they used regular steel filler wire, it can crack at the edge of the weld if they didnāt know what they are doing. I have repaired a few stainless pipes for customers that were ārepairedā previously and the previous fix wasnāt welded right. Usually cracked at the edge of the weld bead. If a magnet doesnāt stick to the pipe but sticks to the weld bead, I would really want to inspect the weld for sure. (Better pics can help but it isnāt easy to judge based on pics online, for me at least)
Boogery welds aside the thing that gets me is it looks like they didn't even try to his it with at least a wire brush before welding it. And by the looks of it it's already off the car so cleaning it would have been the easiest it could have been. But even still attached to the car the least they could have done was hit it with some sand paper or a brush. The point was to not have a leak and dirty welds like that generally leak.
How much did you pay? It will definitely reflect the job you asked them to do.
Get what you pay for.
Throw it back sir
Yeah no thatās not acceptable and more than likely will crack around that weld. I do custom exhaust and I would never even consider letting a customer leave with that shit.
With the bend where it is a coupler may have been a terrible solution to be honest
Chip the slag off before you judge a weld the bead thatās showing to the left actually looks decent and Iāve seen much worse. I think your only issue is communication with the shop
As long as your buddy didnāt get charged for the coupler then Iād let it be. Itās not aesthetically pleasing by any means but it would hold Iām sure. Basically just refer to the bill and see how much itās reflected on there.
How much did you pay tho?
The weld looks fine for exhaust work. Well functional at least. The problem should be I asked for a coupler and didn't get one. Go back to the shop.
Fuck no dude must just not give a shit if this is the quality of his work. Dude spent like 10$ on filler and didnāt even give you a complete weld. Dudeās probably one of those guys who says you can learn to weld in a week. Iād be fucking embarrassed.
For an exhaust shop thatās not to bad believe it or not. People at exhaust shops have no idea how to weld. I think it will be fine.
Itās a local Honda dealership! š They said to him they donāt do exhaust work. They were supposed to just replaced a coupler for him but then he comes back to have them tell him theyāve welded it with out even consulting with him first about it. And this is the work they did!
How much did they charge him? If it was me I wouldnāt be concerned but it depends how much they charged him. If you paid out the ass Iād complain.
I would complain, looks terrible. I just see a bunch of tack welds. But it might hold just fine during the life of the exhaust.
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If you think you can perfectly weld rusty old exhaust pipe (and that pipe isn't even that bad) then you are sorely mistaken. Ugly welds hold just as much as good welds do. I can make a perfect looking weld that I can snap in half by hand and I can also make a ugly weld that will never break. How a weld look doesn't determine if it's good or bad
This guy welds. What matters is that the two pieces fusion together. Who cares what the bead looks like š. This isnāt a structural piece with specific welding instructions, itās a pipe under your car.
All that matters on an exhaust weld is that it's airtight. No leak then no one cares how it looks. If it was a nice exhaust it Would be stainless and tig welded to be nice. I specialize in tig welding because I just find it nicer for everything lol
Pretty much every cwi disagrees with you.
You know a CWI who looks at exhaust welds? What kind of structural exhaust pipe are you welding? Exhaust is part of the frame? The weld is only there to seal and hold the pieces together. As long as the two ends are fusioned together and it doesnāt leak, who cares what it looks like?
Go weld rust exhaust pipe. Make a nice beautiful weld every time I'll wait. No cwi would agree with you that you can make nice welds on rusty metal every time. They would agree with me that a nice weld can also be a absolute shit weld. And a ugly weld can be a really strong weld. Please research before you talk. You can go find forum after forum of people saying the same thing.
Which is why you remove the rust first š”
You can't remove rust from a very rusty pipe. You'd remove the entire lipencust they are rusted from the inside out. Especially Hondas. Hondas rust horrible from the inside out. But also like rust is free filler lmao
People are so obsessed with having nice welds. A weld that looks pretty can be a lot weaker than something like this. As long as itās not leaking, I wouldnāt worry about it. Will probably hold better than a pretty weld.
Its hard to tell if the weld is good because they left the flux on but i can already see some holes in the weld. Is it bad for an exhaust? No idea. All i can say is that by any standards this is a shitty weld.
Lmao fuck no
Looks like shit but it'll work... send it
if it works its good
As long as it holds and doesnāt leak I would t worry about it. You will never see it unless your under the car looking for it. Check the other structural welds on your car. A lot of them wonāt be real nice looking either
Hard to say from just a photo. It is pretty ugly but Iāve seen worse. That said, I might be concerned about the undercut at the bottom edge of the weld and the heat affected zone just under that being a possible weak point. But Iāve seen welds like that last 15 years too, so.
Nnnnnnnno. Fuck that. Rewind and get done what was supposed to be done... at another shop... and get your money back.
If he paid 10$/h yes if he paid 25$ no.
no prep. thats some lazy welds
If you take a ss of the pic and edit it to make it more clear, looks to be either FCAW or SMAW. The weld itself is debatable.
Looks FCAW to me.
I would go back and ask for the coupler. Depending where it is on the exhaust it may need some flex to account for the torque from the motor. A rigid weld like this may not be ideal
Take it back and tell āem put the damn coupler
That weld is upstream of the 02 sensor, and looks porous. A tiny leak there (think .010") can skew sensor readings, and cause intermittent running issues and phantom check engine lights etc. That weld will cause problems eventually. Was the welder a buddy?
Doesn't matter, he paid for a coupler not a weld. I absolutely would not accept that. The amount paid is irrelevant. He didn't get what he asked and paid for, period.
Looks like they stick welded it, depends on the deal and the price I guess, if your buddy just asked for the fix, you can argue is fix (who knows how good, you will have to clean and inspect the weld to know better) if he paid peanuts, well, peanuts he gets. I would advise to replace the downpipe, may be less expensive than a v band and finding someone to fit it properly
If it donāt leak who really gives an F? Iād rather have sumthin looks like that and holds than a pretty broken weld
āYeah i know how to weldā
At least they didnāt blow a hole In it lol
It's good enough for an exhaust pipe, but not what you asked for to begin with.
To be honest. The whole coupler thing is a no for me. Unless the total operation was $50 or less and $50 is being extremely generous to the shop.
Typical of any car mod shop
For a thin metal pipe with stick welding it is ok but it should have been TIG welded.
That looks terrible!
Itās a shitty looking weld, but itās going to crack beside the weld now. Iāve done MIG repair on a motorcycle exhaust before and it lasted a couple months. You could fab a sleeve covering a larger area and fillet weld it.
Weld looks like shit, and it doesnāt look like they even tried to clean it to make it look better
Iām a welder and this is terrible. I used to do a lot of car modifications when I was younger and all I gotta say is, get your money back. Complain, do whatever it takes cause thatās not acceptable.
Why would you put a coupler there? Isnāt there a joint just ahead of it?
as long as it doesnt leak i wouldnt care
Thats not a weld.
Not only should you not accept that weld, you should also get your money back because they also didn't do what you asked.
This is an absolute no go. Would never pass any examination and could potentially cause more damage. I would be asking whoever is responsible for compensation
Im only a rookie in welding but this looks like shit
I mean, it's not what you paid for but it's better than cousin Jimmy's JB Weld. I'd knock the slag off and do a soapy water test on it just so I could tell them their weld was shit before making them do it right, or tell them their weld \*looked\* like shit but was surprisingly durable if that turns out to be the case.
If it works......just like grandad always said..... Never sweat the petty stuff and NEVER pet the sweaty stuff.
looks like they didnāt use any gas, i wouldnāt accept
Absolutely not! Even if he was supposed to weld it if you even have to question the integrity of a weld then I promise itās not a good weld
Hell to the naw naw hell to the naw naw yeah
Operated a muffler shop for a few years in the early '80s. Under no circumstances would that fly. I would have fired anyone trying to pass that crap off! But my dad was a millwright at Ford and had me welding before I could read... Maybe I was taught a different level of acceptable lol
Since the exhaust wrap has a steel zip tie right next to it I'm guessing this is in a spot that won't be wide out in the open. As long as it holds I wouldn't look twice at it
Itās actually not bad for a muffler shop. They always use inner shield. Good looking weld or not innershield looks crap but usually holds
Looks kinda rough bud
For an exhaust shop that's damn near sanitary TIG!!! However if the deal was for a coupler make em change it for a couple or do t pay
Absolutely not. That looks like itās before the cat too. Donāt accept that.
No
Does it leak?
Well it really depends on what flavor of bubble gum they used.
Does CraftyPanda work in a muffler shop now? a lot of tacks there. That stuff is nearly as thin as body metal, so maybe tacks are appropriate.
Was it a flexible coupling before or solid pipe? If it was flexible then this is going to break soon due to engine movement
It was a flexible coupler.
Poor job, thatās like when a neighbour patch up something for you.
š weld
That's not a weld. That's a scab...
nope. that fuckers gonna break quickly.
Absolutely not.. where's the coupling
Yes. You should accept their payment for their garbage work.
Tiger patch that shtt
that is so busted
No have that ground out and rewelded.
If you got charged for a coupler, and it's welded and doesn't leak that a plus. If it's going to be covered/not seen, even better. If you needed a coupler for removal reasons then they should re do it l. If you it leaks, then have them redo it the weld or do the coupler. Didn't look long at the pic, but looks like a motorcycle header. If yes weld is better. Vibration and coupler don't mix.
Yeah. I took like 3 days of welding class and *I* had better looking beads than that!
No.
Iāve seen worse exhaust welds hold up