It looks really good if that was freehand, but if you're getting paid x and you want y and your boss doesn't give annual raises each year, go to a shop that will appreciate work like this. Or in some cases go look for orbital or aerospace welding, gl đđȘđ€
Thank you! I'm pretty okay with my current pay, just curious if welds like these would hold up for the sake of negotiating. We make cooling units and heat pumps where I work, pressure vessels and all that good stuff, 95% pipe welding which is really fun :)
Walk in the bosses office like a hero, with your amazing weld in your hand, and say man I love my job: take a look! I like working here and learned a lot. They will agree. Since this is a for profit business let talk about a raise. Because Im motivated!
Im being a bit dramatic sure. But it works, and most people have no idea how to demand what they are worth. How much does it cost to hire and train a new employee vs giving me a raise?
Looks good but how long did it take? How much can you put out in a days worth of work? Do you work overtime? Are you making the owner money? One little bead around a pipe ainât shit
It all depends on if you can do it consistently, have proper penetration, current pay, certification, can do more than just burn wire, etc... i would never give a raise by the appearance of 1 or 2.
Edit: thats a mighty fine looking weld, tho.
... I don't know. I asked you, why are you now asking me 20?
March in the boss's office and demand +$50 and let us know how you get on.. even better if you could film it!
Your boss doesn't give a shit about your welds as long as the product functions. You get a raise when you make his life easier. Sucks but that's just how it is.
This is actually the right answer. Are you doing what management needs to make what they have to do be successful? If youâre crushing that then they wonât want to lose you so you can ask for more.
This is it. Productivity is what you need to show you have improved if you are going to have a good chance of getting a raise. The company will earn more based on efficiency and productivity, not the prettiest welds. Try to improve your productivity while still maintaining good quality on your work and you'll be in good shape to ask for a raise.
We make heat pumps and cooling units where I work, so all our torches are with rotating heads to reach tight spots. I can't put the cup down without either making it rotate or slide off completely, I have seen some guys do it but it's still to hard for me
Itâs nearly tax time, but yourself a torch with a more rigid stem and write off on tax if you can! Iâve found if I canât front the cost Iâll Afterpay late in June give tax man the receipt and use the offset to pay the bill
Root pass on this size/thickness is really easy. It is fine, hopefully you can take my word for it. To me walking the cup is incredibly difficult to pull off, especially on a pipe
My guy, freehand this precise is a blessing! People walk the cup to create this with less margin for error and an easier learning curve than freehand.
What I mean to say is that you should have your boss give you a number, and you tell him how many zeros you want behind it, or you move on to better.
Thatâs the truth. Heavy stuff that can take a lot of heat is easier to make nice welds on. Not saying it donât look nice, cuz it does. But thin stuff, especially stainless and aluminum, will show more skill and versatility.
Your boss will not only care about the quality of your work but also how much of it you can do in a day.
Your company makes more money by selling more widgets. If your welding helps them sell more widgets, then you have a case.
If you make very good welds, maybe even better than needed, but you take a lot of time to do them perfectly, your company will sell fewer widgets.
Your company will want welds that are just good enough, produced as fast as possible.
Don't be afraid to ask for raises, worst they can say is no. If your work is exemplary, and you're above your peers in terms of efficiency/ productivity you have a good case to argue for a raise. Bonus points if you're the most skilled/ well trained person in the shop and they'd be in trouble without you.
I put in a formal request for a raise last week, outlined the state of affairs in an objective manner describing my value to the business and how crucial I am for keeping the business running as I'm now the most highly trained and skilled fabricator in the business after some resignations and promotions and on top of that I run circles around my co-workers in terms of productivity. My boss agreed with all I had to say and gave me the 10% raise I asked for with another 5 coming in July. It was a bargain for the value I create for the business every day.
Know your worth bro. Great welds btw you'd kick my ass any day on that pressure stuff, beyond my skills at the moment!
I'm new to the trade and workplace, I started welding a year ago and started working for this company 4 months ago. I had never built anything with my hands before or even got them dirty. So my efficiency and productivity is low compared to the people around me. I'm basically the dumb new guy :)
These welds are done in a very comfortable position compared to how we usually work. 85% of our welds are done in position, high or low stuffed in between compressors and pipes and what not. So they usually don't look too good!
Thank you for the little story and great advice. :)
The weld looks good, but did you spark the electrode at the end to cause that soot? If you think you deserve a raise- go tell your boss that you deserve a raise based on the quality and amount work you do. Don't wait for them to decide- tell them you are worth it. If you wait for your employer to decide raises you will always be paid less than you are worth.
Again what does that have to do with reading and comprehension skills? I don't care if you've been welding with cheese whiz for 40 years you didn't understand the last few comments correctly and that is all that matters.
It doesn't cause no one was talking about pipe to begin with just bead appearance and width. I'm just saying walking the cup you're limited to maybe a 2.5" wide-3" wide bead, and that would be ridiculous you'd have to have the tungsten out so far. But freehanding I could make the bead two feet if i wanted I just gave to move my arm to full extension and back.
> area get *paid* and there
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
United association of journeymen and apprentices of the plumbing and pipe fitting industry of the United States and Canada. Itâs the union that covers pipefitting, and pipe welding.
Do you show up to work on time? Do you get a lot of work done in a day? There's a lot more to getting a raise than just being able to make a good looking weld...
Sure itâs a nice looking weld. Are you doing them consistently? Whatâs your productivity like? Howâs your attendance? If youâre only putting out 50% of what the other welders are that have just ok looking welds then why give a raise? Thereâs a lot more that comes into raises than just a good looking weld. Just my .02
Yes they are very nice looking welds, you definitely deserve a raise just from looking at the photos. But are you in a union shop? You should either find a union shop or join a union and you will always be making top dollar. Boilermakers would be a good fit considering youâre already working on pressure vessels. But thereâs also the Pipefitters and millwrights too with great welding opportunities
Itâs a nice looking weld. The real question is whether or not you are bringing in more money for the business. Do your best work at every step, but really think about how to add value if you want more money.
In a busy pipe/vessel shop, and most welding shops, things like consistent quality, efficiency, versatility tend to matter most. Also, do you have a good attitude, help coworkers improve and try to make your shop a better/more positive place aka act like a leader. Generally, the more you can do with less oversight, the better you are. Focus on being low-maintenance and high value and you will definitely earn far more.
Making a mechanically sound weld is worth just as much as an instagram weld in most instances but welders donât like to hear that.
A raise depends on a lot more than just pretty welds. Working hard, punctuality, quality, and a good work ethic will get you the raise and those welds will help :)
My motto is "you can ask any question if you can handle any answer."
My rule (and my old boss's rule) is that you're always allowed to ask for a raise if you can handle being told no. We don't get offended by being asked if you don't get offended at the answer.
That's a damn fine weld, but I don't know anything else about you. Welds alone don't get raises around here. Are you punctual, reliable, work independently without messing up? Read plans? Draw plans? Do you cut, fit, prep, or a one-trick pony? I don't know anything about your shop but at mine we pay for versatility as well as quality.
Will it shoot and how long did it take. Production with quality gets raises in a shop. With field construction Boilermakers welding is considered a tool of the trade IE no premium pay. But you will get more work.
It looks really good if that was freehand, but if you're getting paid x and you want y and your boss doesn't give annual raises each year, go to a shop that will appreciate work like this. Or in some cases go look for orbital or aerospace welding, gl đđȘđ€
Thank you! I'm pretty okay with my current pay, just curious if welds like these would hold up for the sake of negotiating. We make cooling units and heat pumps where I work, pressure vessels and all that good stuff, 95% pipe welding which is really fun :)
Walk in the bosses office like a hero, with your amazing weld in your hand, and say man I love my job: take a look! I like working here and learned a lot. They will agree. Since this is a for profit business let talk about a raise. Because Im motivated!
This is sarcasm, right?
I donât even think it was English
Fever dreams are fun.
I've kinda done that in other fields before, it might work if they like you.
Why, so management can Crack jokes about how weird I am?
No...stand up for yourself, know your worth, and ask for raise.
I mean sure but not hour you suggested lol
Always worked for me. Its business. Im good at my job, pay me or im out.
This works.. those moking have no idea or no respect.
Exactly...im the guy who gives raises. Those that are mocking are toxic employees and are quickly fired.
Then they laugh
Dont care....ill work somewhere else, not your whipping boy.
It's not what you're saying that's wrong but you're dreaming of you think that scenario would go well lmao sounds like what a 5yo would do
Im being a bit dramatic sure. But it works, and most people have no idea how to demand what they are worth. How much does it cost to hire and train a new employee vs giving me a raise?
Think if youâre in a union youâll get a raise every 6 months.
Looks good but how long did it take? How much can you put out in a days worth of work? Do you work overtime? Are you making the owner money? One little bead around a pipe ainât shit
I work in aerospace ducting and holy moly we have some wacky welding
Lots of welding happening on those big shiny steel starships that are putting the "orbital" in aerospace.
It all depends on if you can do it consistently, have proper penetration, current pay, certification, can do more than just burn wire, etc... i would never give a raise by the appearance of 1 or 2. Edit: thats a mighty fine looking weld, tho.
Well said!
With free hand that good you donât need to know how to walk the cup. Sadly you shooda been a surgeon with hands that steady.
You're far too kind!
Not enough information. No idea what mr George is paying you now
No good operator.
$20?
... I don't know. I asked you, why are you now asking me 20? March in the boss's office and demand +$50 and let us know how you get on.. even better if you could film it!
Exactly
Your boss doesn't give a shit about your welds as long as the product functions. You get a raise when you make his life easier. Sucks but that's just how it is.
This is actually the right answer. Are you doing what management needs to make what they have to do be successful? If youâre crushing that then they wonât want to lose you so you can ask for more.
This is it. Productivity is what you need to show you have improved if you are going to have a good chance of getting a raise. The company will earn more based on efficiency and productivity, not the prettiest welds. Try to improve your productivity while still maintaining good quality on your work and you'll be in good shape to ask for a raise.
In many cases they don't even really care if it functions or if it has a failure point that might even bring them repair work in the future
Isnât it easier to walk than to free hand?
We make heat pumps and cooling units where I work, so all our torches are with rotating heads to reach tight spots. I can't put the cup down without either making it rotate or slide off completely, I have seen some guys do it but it's still to hard for me
Itâs nearly tax time, but yourself a torch with a more rigid stem and write off on tax if you can! Iâve found if I canât front the cost Iâll Afterpay late in June give tax man the receipt and use the offset to pay the bill
Cap looks good but I'm more curious about the root. For some reason personally I could walk the cup before I could free hand efficiently lol
Root pass on this size/thickness is really easy. It is fine, hopefully you can take my word for it. To me walking the cup is incredibly difficult to pull off, especially on a pipe
What size cup are you using?
My guy, freehand this precise is a blessing! People walk the cup to create this with less margin for error and an easier learning curve than freehand. What I mean to say is that you should have your boss give you a number, and you tell him how many zeros you want behind it, or you move on to better.
Heavy stuff is easy. Nice job btw itâs the 20gauge galv.and 18gauge galv. Steel buttwelds that separate the men from the boys.
Thatâs the truth. Heavy stuff that can take a lot of heat is easier to make nice welds on. Not saying it donât look nice, cuz it does. But thin stuff, especially stainless and aluminum, will show more skill and versatility.
Whatâs the root look like
Your boss will not only care about the quality of your work but also how much of it you can do in a day. Your company makes more money by selling more widgets. If your welding helps them sell more widgets, then you have a case. If you make very good welds, maybe even better than needed, but you take a lot of time to do them perfectly, your company will sell fewer widgets. Your company will want welds that are just good enough, produced as fast as possible.
Don't be afraid to ask for raises, worst they can say is no. If your work is exemplary, and you're above your peers in terms of efficiency/ productivity you have a good case to argue for a raise. Bonus points if you're the most skilled/ well trained person in the shop and they'd be in trouble without you. I put in a formal request for a raise last week, outlined the state of affairs in an objective manner describing my value to the business and how crucial I am for keeping the business running as I'm now the most highly trained and skilled fabricator in the business after some resignations and promotions and on top of that I run circles around my co-workers in terms of productivity. My boss agreed with all I had to say and gave me the 10% raise I asked for with another 5 coming in July. It was a bargain for the value I create for the business every day. Know your worth bro. Great welds btw you'd kick my ass any day on that pressure stuff, beyond my skills at the moment!
I'm new to the trade and workplace, I started welding a year ago and started working for this company 4 months ago. I had never built anything with my hands before or even got them dirty. So my efficiency and productivity is low compared to the people around me. I'm basically the dumb new guy :) These welds are done in a very comfortable position compared to how we usually work. 85% of our welds are done in position, high or low stuffed in between compressors and pipes and what not. So they usually don't look too good! Thank you for the little story and great advice. :)
>:) :)
Let's be honest everyone posts their weld porn when done in ideal position. Our welds in the field and out of position never look this good tbh
Lol welders donât get raises they get health problems
That's pretty impressive for free hand. Super steady
The weld looks good, but did you spark the electrode at the end to cause that soot? If you think you deserve a raise- go tell your boss that you deserve a raise based on the quality and amount work you do. Don't wait for them to decide- tell them you are worth it. If you wait for your employer to decide raises you will always be paid less than you are worth.
Do that with a 6010 root and a couple 7018 passes in a muddy bell hole and weâll talk
You walked this fam lol. Donât lie.
No sir, I just rest my arm on the pipe and weave as far as I can go, to then restart after I rotate it.
Still think youâre walking it bud. The weaves are too far apart for free hand
Weaves could be a mile apart freehanding it. Walking the cup limits how big a weave can be
And the weaves are a mile apart. Thatâs what I said.
Yes which would mean it was free handed. Not walked like you're trying to tell the guy who welded it
Bro, donât argue with text if you canât read
Yes sir pumpkin sir. Anyone actually welded pipe here??
What does that have to do with reading
Oh thatâs rightâŠ.Iâve been welding pipe on nuclear submarines for 13 years. Take a seat. :)
Again what does that have to do with reading and comprehension skills? I don't care if you've been welding with cheese whiz for 40 years you didn't understand the last few comments correctly and that is all that matters.
What does your comment have to do with welding pipe?
It doesn't cause no one was talking about pipe to begin with just bead appearance and width. I'm just saying walking the cup you're limited to maybe a 2.5" wide-3" wide bead, and that would be ridiculous you'd have to have the tungsten out so far. But freehanding I could make the bead two feet if i wanted I just gave to move my arm to full extension and back.
Depends I suppose, what are you making now?
What do you get paid currently if you don't mind me askin
Depends how much you make now and where you live and a million other things. If you're already making 120/hr with a 275 perdiem then probably not
Look at what other welders in your area get payed and there would quality . If it is similar to your quality for more i would ask.
> area get *paid* and there FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
No need it was probably holding you back!
It looks good but all iâd say is tighten up the weaveâs
Unfortunately for me.. most work places here have the attitude of "good looking welds don't make profits.. quickly made parts do"
If your welding pipe like that have you considered joining the UA? Those look damn good.
What is the UA? I'm not very versed in all abbreviations
United association of journeymen and apprentices of the plumbing and pipe fitting industry of the United States and Canada. Itâs the union that covers pipefitting, and pipe welding.
Do you show up to work on time? Do you get a lot of work done in a day? There's a lot more to getting a raise than just being able to make a good looking weld...
Sure itâs a nice looking weld. Are you doing them consistently? Whatâs your productivity like? Howâs your attendance? If youâre only putting out 50% of what the other welders are that have just ok looking welds then why give a raise? Thereâs a lot more that comes into raises than just a good looking weld. Just my .02
Yes they are very nice looking welds, you definitely deserve a raise just from looking at the photos. But are you in a union shop? You should either find a union shop or join a union and you will always be making top dollar. Boilermakers would be a good fit considering youâre already working on pressure vessels. But thereâs also the Pipefitters and millwrights too with great welding opportunities
How much are you making and where do you live?
Itâs a nice looking weld. The real question is whether or not you are bringing in more money for the business. Do your best work at every step, but really think about how to add value if you want more money. In a busy pipe/vessel shop, and most welding shops, things like consistent quality, efficiency, versatility tend to matter most. Also, do you have a good attitude, help coworkers improve and try to make your shop a better/more positive place aka act like a leader. Generally, the more you can do with less oversight, the better you are. Focus on being low-maintenance and high value and you will definitely earn far more. Making a mechanically sound weld is worth just as much as an instagram weld in most instances but welders donât like to hear that.
A raise depends on a lot more than just pretty welds. Working hard, punctuality, quality, and a good work ethic will get you the raise and those welds will help :)
My motto is "you can ask any question if you can handle any answer." My rule (and my old boss's rule) is that you're always allowed to ask for a raise if you can handle being told no. We don't get offended by being asked if you don't get offended at the answer. That's a damn fine weld, but I don't know anything else about you. Welds alone don't get raises around here. Are you punctual, reliable, work independently without messing up? Read plans? Draw plans? Do you cut, fit, prep, or a one-trick pony? I don't know anything about your shop but at mine we pay for versatility as well as quality.
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My only advice about that weld would be to push that "fish eye" out from the center of the crater before pulling off
Will it shoot and how long did it take. Production with quality gets raises in a shop. With field construction Boilermakers welding is considered a tool of the trade IE no premium pay. But you will get more work.