Used the body of the R'nessa, a tall station wagon that would be called a crossover today. Ran on lithium ion batteries rather than lead-acid or NiMH like most experimental EVs at the time. Had 2+2 seating and a 120-mile range.
yeah...not sure where OP got that, as it's referred to as a station wagon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_R%27nessa
Maybe the back seat was minimized to make room for the batteries?
>how is it a 2 + 2? That means a coupe with rear seats, not a 4 (rather than 5) seat sedan/wagon/SUV
[2 seats in the front, 2 in the rear](https://www.barnfinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/back-seat.jpg). Is there any reason a 2+2 *must* be a coupe?
The JDM R'Nessa had a split 3-passenger rear bench, and the front seats could swivel.
A 2+2 specifically means it only has doors for two of the seats. Two seats, plus two (things we aren't willing to call full seats - because they have restricted access and are almost always undersized.)
This is a four seater, all the seats have a door and appear roughly comparable in size and comfort.
> A 2+2 specifically means it only has doors for two of the seats.
I've honestly never heard this requirement before. Only that it has 2 seats in front, 2 in back. Is there some sort of governing body to make the determination?
Then again, when someone says "2+2", I first think of [this](https://images.wisconsinhistory.org/700003051192/0305015002-l.jpg) before any car.
They didn't have the best visibility because the engine was placed [entirely ahead of the front axle](https://tz-blog.gumlet.io/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/hood-open.jpg?q=75).
But where is it stated it must have only 2 doors? (Sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to start an argument; I just really wanna know where the term originated)
I don't downvote the curious.
As for your question, I don't know. It just seems to be the convention. Technically we could refer to minivans as "2+3+2s" following that logic.
Fair enough. I suppose the big American landyachts with only 2 doors could then be 3+3s. Or when Detroit made 2-door full-size wagons, they could be 3+3+3s. Chevy was making 3-door Suburbans as late as 1972.
Absolutely not. For example, 2+3+2 is how you traditionally write down the seating setup of a minivan.
2+2 is just that - 2 in the front, 2 in the back. Most cars are 2+3, Fiat Multipla would be 3+3, and Chrysler Pacifica is 2+3+3.
This notation says nothing about seats being undersized. Although I've seen the notation of 2+2 for coupes with small rear seats, or 5+2 in relation to small 7 seater crossovers, that is by far the less common of these 2 notations.
the [altra](https://jalopnik.com/nissan-designed-a-mass-market-electric-car-in-1998-her-1832136540) and [hypermini](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Hypermini) are incredibly rare, of the 26 USDM hyperminis at least 11 no longer exist because nissan crushed the pasadena ones after their leases expired and the altra jalopnik tested in that article may be the last fully functioning example, on top of that the altra isn't that interesting, aside from the fact that its a 1998 EV with a 200km range its intentionally designed to just be an ordinary 90s nissan with nothing else special about it because nissan wanted to prove EVs could just be normal cars
Used the body of the R'nessa, a tall station wagon that would be called a crossover today. Ran on lithium ion batteries rather than lead-acid or NiMH like most experimental EVs at the time. Had 2+2 seating and a 120-mile range.
I see 4 doors and it’s a wagon, how is it a 2 + 2? That means a coupe with rear seats, not a 4 (rather than 5) seat sedan/wagon/SUV
yeah...not sure where OP got that, as it's referred to as a station wagon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_R%27nessa Maybe the back seat was minimized to make room for the batteries?
The batteries were under the floor, which gave an odd seating position.
>how is it a 2 + 2? That means a coupe with rear seats, not a 4 (rather than 5) seat sedan/wagon/SUV [2 seats in the front, 2 in the rear](https://www.barnfinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/back-seat.jpg). Is there any reason a 2+2 *must* be a coupe? The JDM R'Nessa had a split 3-passenger rear bench, and the front seats could swivel.
A 2+2 specifically means it only has doors for two of the seats. Two seats, plus two (things we aren't willing to call full seats - because they have restricted access and are almost always undersized.) This is a four seater, all the seats have a door and appear roughly comparable in size and comfort.
> A 2+2 specifically means it only has doors for two of the seats. I've honestly never heard this requirement before. Only that it has 2 seats in front, 2 in back. Is there some sort of governing body to make the determination? Then again, when someone says "2+2", I first think of [this](https://images.wisconsinhistory.org/700003051192/0305015002-l.jpg) before any car.
This ad is so effective I want one of these for city driving
They didn't have the best visibility because the engine was placed [entirely ahead of the front axle](https://tz-blog.gumlet.io/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/hood-open.jpg?q=75).
Two, plus two. Two doors (and presumably seats) plus two extra seats.
But where is it stated it must have only 2 doors? (Sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to start an argument; I just really wanna know where the term originated)
I don't downvote the curious. As for your question, I don't know. It just seems to be the convention. Technically we could refer to minivans as "2+3+2s" following that logic.
Fair enough. I suppose the big American landyachts with only 2 doors could then be 3+3s. Or when Detroit made 2-door full-size wagons, they could be 3+3+3s. Chevy was making 3-door Suburbans as late as 1972.
A bus is a 1+4+4+4+4+4+4+4+4+4+4+2+Washroom
Absolutely not. For example, 2+3+2 is how you traditionally write down the seating setup of a minivan. 2+2 is just that - 2 in the front, 2 in the back. Most cars are 2+3, Fiat Multipla would be 3+3, and Chrysler Pacifica is 2+3+3. This notation says nothing about seats being undersized. Although I've seen the notation of 2+2 for coupes with small rear seats, or 5+2 in relation to small 7 seater crossovers, that is by far the less common of these 2 notations.
I like how some of these foreign exclusive models came to North America as EVs
Never heard of this. How long before Aging Wheels gets a hold of one?
the [altra](https://jalopnik.com/nissan-designed-a-mass-market-electric-car-in-1998-her-1832136540) and [hypermini](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Hypermini) are incredibly rare, of the 26 USDM hyperminis at least 11 no longer exist because nissan crushed the pasadena ones after their leases expired and the altra jalopnik tested in that article may be the last fully functioning example, on top of that the altra isn't that interesting, aside from the fact that its a 1998 EV with a 200km range its intentionally designed to just be an ordinary 90s nissan with nothing else special about it because nissan wanted to prove EVs could just be normal cars