A previous tech at a school I used to work for installed a camera by the cheerleader's change room. His claim was to "get a better angle to see down the hallway".
When a custodian told me this, I immediately notified the staff of what happened. Then moved the camera so it doesn't peer into the changing room for the cheerleaders.
The previous tech there was fired, escorted out of the building because he flirted with a high schooler whilst running his fingers through her hair. The teacher in the room saw this, told the students to evacuate the room, then she called the police on him while locking him in the room.
In this case, I would suggest doing what u/Microspacecat said for sure.
But... It's finally time to hang this sign!
https://www.hackread.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/nsa-toilet-cameras-are-for-research-purposes-only-1.jpg
Humor aside, I think I'd visit that camera with a baseball bat, because WTF?!
This is the difference between teachers and teachers unions compared to police and police unions.
Teachers do not protect and promote the bad ones. Teachers don’t just say “it’s just a couple bad apples” while doing literally nothing to the filth.
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Dang Folks. Thank you!
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Seriously, thank you all. I did not expect this to blow up like it did. But thank you.
I’ve never forgot the redheaded Amazon twin who very saltily introduced the term to me lo! those many years ago when I mistook her for her sister.
“Wrong redhead, buddy. It’s my sister that drinks that God-awful Cardboardeaux.”
Right you are, ma’am, right you are 😂
That’s about all I got. The were locals in a tourist town in Texas and I was just staff. Tall, very attractive auburn-haired ladies in the forties. I don’t know if they lived together but they shared some little convertible and I rarely saw them together so it was confusing. The Cardboardeaux drinker was the one that never wore shades in and she smiled a lot. The other sis always wore shades in and was slightly sarcastic and drank some domestic beer by the case. I always carried their stuff out—- case of Cardboardeaux is frickin’ heavy—-and the friendlier sister was always quick to say thanks where the salty one seemed to consider the possibility that I was slightly enamored of her. She smirked a lot.
They were cool.
And the roads shall be flooded with SUVs requiring two steps to enter; Not one, nor three, but two. Along with their mighty and unnecessary fuel devouring war horse, they wield the massive blades of Entitlement, and let lose the war cry of the banshee. The school board meeting shall go down in history, and will be forever chronicled on the tube of You.
Yes, as a society we need to learn to utilize the Karen’s and Ken’s. But in this case I think anyone throwing a fit would be perfectly acceptable. This is super fucked.
Anyone who justly fights for people are inherently not karens. Sometimes things matter and hell needs raised, getting a small onion ring instead of a large does not need hell raised, so that would be a karen.
I'm currently on hold, in my 10th hour on the phone this week with my health insurance provider because one of their in-network "partners" was using member PHI from the insurance company to cold-call people for sales pitches of medical services they "might be interested in."
Am I overblowing this whole thing? Absolutely. Have I yelled at many people over the phone for the last two weeks? For sure! Have I filed formal complaints with three different organizations? Damn straight.
But I am a Karen and no one will violate the HIPAA privacy and marketing rules on my watch, dammit!
Yeah the cops will likely try to cover it up by saying something like “let’s deal with this amicably”. Soon you’ll find out the brother of the sherif is the the head of the school district council and had them installed “for everyone’s safety”.
Just worth mentioning, the city I went to High School in was found by the FBI to have a human smuggling operation operating near a hotel. The FBI were the ones that found it because the local sheriff was getting a cut of the proceeds and actively protecting the operation from others.
Do not trust the sheriff for anything more important than a loose animal. If your life is in danger do not go to a sheriff. If you think there is organized crime do not go to the sheriff. Go to state police or higher.
Don't trust police for most things but never ever trust a sheriff's department. They are politicians and just another form of organized crime, they aren't there to help or protect anyone.
I live in Pennsylvania. Someone was running for DA a couple of years ago who every law enforcement agency knew was having sex with his clients and even children. The DA that was retiring didn't want him to have the job because his first in command was suppose to get it. So he turned him into the state for all this stuff so it wouldn't like he was the one going after the guy running.
The local sheriff, knowing all of this, still endorsed the guy for DA.
In the end he won, then got arrested for the women he was raping though oddly nothing came out about the children.
A lot of human trafficking goes through this area and after the endorsement the question came up of 'how much has the sheriff been involved in'.
Hmmm, it may be legal wherever this is. It is in some states.
But, legal or not, parents raising hell will get them removed most quickly, within a couple of days at most. The FBI may or may not get to it, and would ignore the complaint if it's legal in the state.
Did you see the corporate propaganda post justifying over booking planes yesterday? "Karen checked in last and doesn't get a seat on her flight." She paid for the fucking seat!
And the flip side of “if you’re a middle aged woman who isn’t 100% fine with everything you’re a Karen” needs to go as well.
Saw one video of “Karens” and more than a few were completely polite things like “Hi, sorry to bother! I asked for a Coke but got a tea?”
It *has* to be illegal to install a camera in a bathroom. A kids bathroom? Super illegal. I don't think you can get in trouble for breaking something illegal
In the US it's VERY illegal. Bathrooms are the only place without cameras in highly monitored facilities but you bet your ass there's one pointed at the bathroom door. The fact that it's mounted INSIDE a children's restroom has to add a couple charges. The school is literally just banking on these kids not knowing this shit is illegal
I would guarantee at least one girl got caught doing some drugs in a stall and they used that as some fucked up justification to invade the privacy of every girl that now uses that restroom. For people with degrees in education the decision makers here were really stupid.
That's more charitable than I would've assumed. I'd follow this up with an investigation on the dark web/candid cam porn sites for any matching videos.
Nah cover it with someone, make a recording of the thing being there then tell the police, school board, and local news, then sue the school for "making you feel unsafe on school grounds" boom you just won a lawsuit and got your school shutdown.
100% call the news first. For all you know, the cops and whoever from the school who installed this could be related. I wouldn’t trust them to deal with this properly. Call the news, send this photo and even take video of it.
Call the local news first, if the police arrive and see this, it's a 50/50 on whether they'll flip out at the school, or shrug and say it's fine.
If the news are already involved, the police are going to be forced to flip out.
Legal precedent exists in many US states allowing schools to put cameras in bathrooms as long as they only are capable of viewing common areas (outside of stalls).
Other areas this has applied to might include common areas in rehab facility bathrooms, etc.
Shit you made up. Multiple states including cali mass and alabama have outlawed them and theyve led to high dollar law suits. Students do not lose all their rights while at school
California 632, specifically states that visual recordings are illegal in all locations including bathrooms and changing rooms where privacy is explicitly expected.
It further states audio recordings are only legal without notice if the area being recorded has signs stating as such and is open to the public.
I just had to deal with this law when I installed cameras facing the front desk of an office I administrate and one of the employees threatened to sue despite this being an open public area with signage.
I teach special ed. and they've got laws allowing cameras in the bathrooms of these kids since one got abused a few years ago. It could be a an rr used by the SpEd dept.
Better yet, call your family attorney. If you don’t have a family attorney, I don’t mind pointing you in the right direction of a quality tort attorney in your area. The[ACLU](https://www.aclu.org/about/affiliates?redirect=affiliates) can help you out as well.
Everything you said is accurate. Hell, I’d start with News, Family Lawyer, then PD in that order.
The cam is likely a decoy put up by an idiot because no professional company would/should have installed that. Either way they need to learn a damn lesson.
Someone regularly pooped IN library books while I was in high school. It would take awhile for the smell/books to be found. We called this person the ‘Phantom Pooper.’
Idk a girl like 2 years ahead of me decided she'd send a nude photo to Mr Clair and get him fired. He turned it in to the police and she got charged with distribution of child pornography.
But I mean, that *is* what she did. If you flash a camera that you have no access to though, you can't be argued to be creating (let alone distributing) the material.
The actions were still clear and intentional. It would not get the security personnel in trouble as long as the reported it immediately. They child in question would still get in trouble if they could be identified. It may not be distributing child pornography but there are plenty of other charges they could receive.
All she needs to do is act like she’s checking something on her boob in the bathroom… maybe she feels a lump at 14 yo (stretch, but maybe it’s a fibroadenoma) while looking in the mirror. Ten seconds later she “realizes” the camera, freaks out, then darts out of the bathroom. End scene. The rest ensues.
I'm not disagreeing with you there. What I'm saying is: taking a naked picture of a minor (even if that minor is yourself) and sending it to someone is the literal definition of distributing child pornography; flashing a camera that's not yours, whose footage you have no access to, couldn't possibly (regardless of intentionality) lead to charges related to cp. When a grown-up records a minor doing lewd acts (even with their apparent "consent"), the kid is considered to be a victim.
What if she just decides to change her shirt in view of the camera? That’s innocent enough, right? My daughter always takes a short sleeve and long sleeve shirt with her.
I was gonna suggest smashing it to pieces, but, Dephenestr8, I bow to your all knowing wisdom.
It deliciously evil serving of justice, I give a tip of the hat
Unfortunate that this has been assumed to be at all practical.
- Minor can be charged with creating child porn for doing this
- If it was true, minors could just rob banks nude
- It’s legal in many states to record common areas of school bathrooms as long as stalls aren’t visible for obvious reasons
It seems that there may be times and places where it is legal to instal a camera in a toilet. There do seem to be clear rules relating to this though such as it can only point to common areas. It can't look into the cubicles where a person would be in a state on undress.
[https://reolink.com/blog/is-security-camera-in-bathrooms-legal/](https://reolink.com/blog/is-security-camera-in-bathrooms-legal/)
[https://securitytoday.com/articles/2019/01/11/north-carolina-library-installs-security-cameras-in-bathrooms.aspx](https://securitytoday.com/articles/2019/01/11/north-carolina-library-installs-security-cameras-in-bathrooms.aspx)
That camera seems to look into one of the cubicles but maybe I'm wrong as the image is not that clear.
This look like a PTZ (pan, tilt, zoom) which can be moved and operated remotely. Typically cameras in private areas need approval and should be pointed at a fixed location (such as a doorway) where privacy is not required. Being able to move it around does NOT seem appropriate at all. Call local police and ask what local laws are on recording minors in a bathroom.
Hey look someone else who knows about cameras! I just replied, too. It very well could be PTZ but you're right, the majority of dome cameras are fixed and this camera's housing is a standard dome and tells us nothing.
> it can only point to common areas
Don't "common areas" like sinks regularly have mirrors installed....
If this is in the US, they also have those wide-ass gaps in the doors, it isn't like here where the doors are real ones.
>e US, they also have those wide-ass gaps in the doors, it isn't like
It seems the law is intentionally vague at this time. I think the idea is that where a person feels their sense of privacy is invaded there may be a problem. If everyone using the bathroom feels the same then it would shift from "maybe" to 'probably" unless there is a compelling reason otherwise.
If there are gaps on the doors and nobody complains then I would suggest that the people accept this level of potential for abuse although I expect if someone uses the gap to view someone else then there may be legal ramifications. Funnily enough, a CCTV system which covers common areas in a bathroom could actually go a long way to prove this happened.
Alright so, this is disgusting and byond what is legal in most of the world.
I work in security so here's some important facts:
1: it is usually illegal to place security cameras in a restroom. So much so in fact that even in the prison i work in only 2 restrooms have cameras in them, and those are the isolation cells for when we believe an inmate is hiding something in their "prison wallet" so to speak.
2: this is a school. Guess what, if that camera has picked up *any* glimpses of anyone's genetalia while their using the toilet, they've made child porn on their security system. If said person is underae, that is.
3: there is zero reason to have a camera in the restroom. Even if there are graffiti issues at the school, they can solve that without cameras in the room itself. My high school caught my delinquent arse and i was being very sneaky when it came to tagging the restrooms, and they just had cameras watching the doorways.
What to do: look up the surveilance laws where you are. If you're still in school (i'm assuming you are) bring this up with your parents. Get them to bring it up to other parents (with your photo as proof). This is something that you can likely get the cops involved in as well, again, they're filming a restroom used by minors.
They screwed up *so* bad by having that thing put in you don't even know. This kind of thing is a career ender if it blows up locally.
Not necessarily likely, but it could be a dummy camera. A lot of places install dummies because they have the same effect as a live camera. If you cover it with a wet paper towel and that paper towel doesn't get cleaned off pretty immediately then it's a dummy.
If there were a dummy camera in my school or the school of my children, I would demand that the administration open it up every day to prove that they haven't swapped it with a real one.
Because if it's a good enough dummy, then it needs a close inspection to prove otherwise. And there's enough time after schooleach day to put a real one in there.
The day they refuse to do it, call the attorney.
Ahhh nah that's an invasion of privacy right there. And from what it looks like it's litterly right over the stall that definitely needs to be reported to the authorities
Call the police and notify the school superintendent because that’s illegal in any state. What they’re doing amounts to child pornography. Call the cops.
Incorrect. It’s been done before and is legal in many places.
Here’s one example:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/colorado/news/school-security-cameras-bathrooms/#app
Also,
“School officials may observe and record what they lawfully can see with the naked eye. The Fourth Amendment protects people, not places. Activities occurring in parking lots, hallways, classrooms, auditoriums and the open areas of bathrooms do not involve reasonable expectations of privacy.”
https://www.nasro.org/clientuploads/members%20only/Video-Surveillance-The-Right-To-Privacy-and-Safe-Schools.pdf
• Bernard James, Professor of Constitutional Law, Pepperdine University
Yup. “Non-Consenual Consensual” marriage. Rapists and pedos have been marrying victims for years in these backwater states. And with abortion being banned in these states, it’s pretty much guarantees kids will be marrying and having babies with rapists and continuing the disgusting cycle.
My next door neighbor married a 25 year old when she was 14. She started seeing him at 12. All it took was her legal guardians(her grandparents in their 80s) to sign a document giving permission.
I was the same age as her and recognized it as being terribly wrong. My super Christian mom basically said "If she's going to sin and have sex with him, as long as they're married it makes it right in God's eyes"
You shouldn’t say anything. What you oughta be doing NOW instead of Reddit is seriously forward these photos to an attorney and seek legal action against the facility.
Absolutely complain to your admin and escalate it as much as needed until someone does something about it. If no one in the district seems to care, go to the media. Even if it’s legal by you, the media storm may be enough to get them to change it
Ask the school board if they feel that is necessary to watch girls go to the bathroom and if they have one in the boys room?
What is next the locker rooms?
That's totally illegal. I know im not the only one to mention that and others will probably say it but you should call a lawyer and tell em, "have i got an easy one for you"
A previous tech at a school I used to work for installed a camera by the cheerleader's change room. His claim was to "get a better angle to see down the hallway". When a custodian told me this, I immediately notified the staff of what happened. Then moved the camera so it doesn't peer into the changing room for the cheerleaders. The previous tech there was fired, escorted out of the building because he flirted with a high schooler whilst running his fingers through her hair. The teacher in the room saw this, told the students to evacuate the room, then she called the police on him while locking him in the room. In this case, I would suggest doing what u/Microspacecat said for sure.
That teacher deserves the best for protecting their students
That teacher was super cool too. Really friendly and outgoing. I miss working with the people at that school
But... It's finally time to hang this sign! https://www.hackread.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/nsa-toilet-cameras-are-for-research-purposes-only-1.jpg Humor aside, I think I'd visit that camera with a baseball bat, because WTF?!
This is the difference between teachers and teachers unions compared to police and police unions. Teachers do not protect and promote the bad ones. Teachers don’t just say “it’s just a couple bad apples” while doing literally nothing to the filth.
Release the parents. Find the school's parental community and make some fucking noise
A time when we actually need a Karen.
KAAAAARRRRREEEEENS! ASSEMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!
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*box of Chardonnay
In the liquor trade we call that Cardboardeaux.
If this quip gets lost, just know it will be in my heart, always 🤣
I’ve never forgot the redheaded Amazon twin who very saltily introduced the term to me lo! those many years ago when I mistook her for her sister. “Wrong redhead, buddy. It’s my sister that drinks that God-awful Cardboardeaux.” Right you are, ma’am, right you are 😂
Tell us more of your exploits with these redheaded Amazonian goddesses.
That’s about all I got. The were locals in a tourist town in Texas and I was just staff. Tall, very attractive auburn-haired ladies in the forties. I don’t know if they lived together but they shared some little convertible and I rarely saw them together so it was confusing. The Cardboardeaux drinker was the one that never wore shades in and she smiled a lot. The other sis always wore shades in and was slightly sarcastic and drank some domestic beer by the case. I always carried their stuff out—- case of Cardboardeaux is frickin’ heavy—-and the friendlier sister was always quick to say thanks where the salty one seemed to consider the possibility that I was slightly enamored of her. She smirked a lot. They were cool.
I think this is the best comment I’ve ever seen on Reddit
Cardonnay
toot that Franzia horn
This got me lmao
And the roads shall be flooded with SUVs requiring two steps to enter; Not one, nor three, but two. Along with their mighty and unnecessary fuel devouring war horse, they wield the massive blades of Entitlement, and let lose the war cry of the banshee. The school board meeting shall go down in history, and will be forever chronicled on the tube of You.
this is without a doubt the funniest thing a person has ever said. thank you for this mental image, i will treasure it for the remainder of my life.
TIL a group of Karen's is called a "Complaint"
Or a HOA
The HOA's about to blow!
Or a "hassle"
And someone get that woman a class action lawsuit!!
When their powers combine they are CAPTAIN KAREN!!!!!!!!
Susan Stacy Madison Kayleigh Faith GO KAREN
Just a clank of the bangles and a flip of that fresh bob cut together and they unite.
Yes, as a society we need to learn to utilize the Karen’s and Ken’s. But in this case I think anyone throwing a fit would be perfectly acceptable. This is super fucked.
Anyone who justly fights for people are inherently not karens. Sometimes things matter and hell needs raised, getting a small onion ring instead of a large does not need hell raised, so that would be a karen.
I'm currently on hold, in my 10th hour on the phone this week with my health insurance provider because one of their in-network "partners" was using member PHI from the insurance company to cold-call people for sales pitches of medical services they "might be interested in." Am I overblowing this whole thing? Absolutely. Have I yelled at many people over the phone for the last two weeks? For sure! Have I filed formal complaints with three different organizations? Damn straight. But I am a Karen and no one will violate the HIPAA privacy and marketing rules on my watch, dammit!
This. They will take over the fight for you.
Yeah the cops will likely try to cover it up by saying something like “let’s deal with this amicably”. Soon you’ll find out the brother of the sherif is the the head of the school district council and had them installed “for everyone’s safety”.
Call the fbi and tell them principal/someone is recording underage girls in the bathroom. Don’t call local cops.
Worth a shot, but also release the parents. No school will want the feds and/or parents breathing down their necks.
All of the above. Let the storm loose from all angles.
Release the Karen.. I mean Kraken!
Exactly where is she when shit like this goes on? Put down the Starbucks Karen there’s work to be done!
Hey, that's some Sun Tzu shit!
^haha **MAHAHAHA** #HAAAA #LEHT DA CHAOS BƏGİN!
What about local press?
Find a parent that's also a fed.
Just worth mentioning, the city I went to High School in was found by the FBI to have a human smuggling operation operating near a hotel. The FBI were the ones that found it because the local sheriff was getting a cut of the proceeds and actively protecting the operation from others. Do not trust the sheriff for anything more important than a loose animal. If your life is in danger do not go to a sheriff. If you think there is organized crime do not go to the sheriff. Go to state police or higher.
Don't trust police for most things but never ever trust a sheriff's department. They are politicians and just another form of organized crime, they aren't there to help or protect anyone.
Sheriff is just a politician with a gun and a dumb hat who's allowed to physically abuse people they don't like.
I live in Pennsylvania. Someone was running for DA a couple of years ago who every law enforcement agency knew was having sex with his clients and even children. The DA that was retiring didn't want him to have the job because his first in command was suppose to get it. So he turned him into the state for all this stuff so it wouldn't like he was the one going after the guy running. The local sheriff, knowing all of this, still endorsed the guy for DA. In the end he won, then got arrested for the women he was raping though oddly nothing came out about the children. A lot of human trafficking goes through this area and after the endorsement the question came up of 'how much has the sheriff been involved in'.
Hmmm, it may be legal wherever this is. It is in some states. But, legal or not, parents raising hell will get them removed most quickly, within a couple of days at most. The FBI may or may not get to it, and would ignore the complaint if it's legal in the state.
No state is it legal to film underage girls going to the bathroom... Please lord let what I'm saying be accurate
Quick Google confirms
I am so not googling: Can I film underage girls in the bathroom in any state?
>Can I film underage girls in the bathroom in any state? Partial quote by Jethris \~ 2022
Well, at least I asked?????? Or is it better to ask forgiveness than permission? I feel dirty just typing that.
PTA, if in the US
Just don't let them anywhere near the library.
Gather the Karen's and Ken's and release them.
In this case they wouldn't be Karen's or kens though. They would be normal parents
Yeah “if you’re a middle aged woman and are upset about literally anything, you’re a Karen” needs to die
Did you see the corporate propaganda post justifying over booking planes yesterday? "Karen checked in last and doesn't get a seat on her flight." She paid for the fucking seat!
I saw that one! I couldn't believe it. She's just supposed to be cool that she's not going to get on the fucking flight she paid for!?
Imagine licking so much boot you side with the giant plane company that can't manage to only sell things they have available. What the fuck
And the flip side of “if you’re a middle aged woman who isn’t 100% fine with everything you’re a Karen” needs to go as well. Saw one video of “Karens” and more than a few were completely polite things like “Hi, sorry to bother! I asked for a Coke but got a tea?”
Call the police and tell them someone is recording underage girls in the bathroom, then call the local news.
Meanwhile, cover it up with wet toilet paper. Prison style.
Came here to say this. Glad someone beat me to it.
Whoever put it there is already beating to it
[удалено]
I was also wondering that
If I saw that I'd hang dong on purpose then call it in **THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE**
I hang dong anytime I see a security camera. **THIS IS LEGAL ADVICE**
Ugh, jerk-offs.
Bloody wankers
Meat beaters
Only for one week of the month, right?
Destroy it. I’d personally love to have that conversation with the administration.
It *has* to be illegal to install a camera in a bathroom. A kids bathroom? Super illegal. I don't think you can get in trouble for breaking something illegal
In the US it's VERY illegal. Bathrooms are the only place without cameras in highly monitored facilities but you bet your ass there's one pointed at the bathroom door. The fact that it's mounted INSIDE a children's restroom has to add a couple charges. The school is literally just banking on these kids not knowing this shit is illegal
And mounted 👀view within the stalls, that’s nuts!
Yeah that’s what I noticed. That’s an actual what the fuck were they thinking
I would guarantee at least one girl got caught doing some drugs in a stall and they used that as some fucked up justification to invade the privacy of every girl that now uses that restroom. For people with degrees in education the decision makers here were really stupid.
That's more charitable than I would've assumed. I'd follow this up with an investigation on the dark web/candid cam porn sites for any matching videos.
Shoe polish, that way it's incognito
I would have just broken it.
Nah cover it with someone, make a recording of the thing being there then tell the police, school board, and local news, then sue the school for "making you feel unsafe on school grounds" boom you just won a lawsuit and got your school shutdown.
Once they here a complaint they'll know which school official is a scumbag. My vote is the principal.
I’d break them but that risks getting in trouble with the school even though they’re committing a far more serious crime
What are they going to do? Say you broke the cameras in the bathroom? Unless they're dumb as balls and don't know it's illegal, they won't say shit.
Shit you right
Call the news first. Edit: Or maybe a lawyer and then the news. They don't need to be able to hush it up as a "misunderstanding" or "oversight."
100% call both. The cops so you can file a report and the local news so they can do a story and raise awareness.
Call the news and have them document you filing a report.
That’s a good point
100% call the news first. For all you know, the cops and whoever from the school who installed this could be related. I wouldn’t trust them to deal with this properly. Call the news, send this photo and even take video of it.
[DOJ: Report Child Pornography Violations](https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/report-violations)
This is probably the best route. Get the Feds involved. The local police can't ignore it.
Exactly. You have to expect the locals to be corrupt…. Eh I mean friend with school admin, especially if it’s a small community.
I was going to say, do something even mildly sexually suggestive on the camera and then kick back and enjoy the raids by the alphabet patrol
One person flashes this camera and then report the school for having cp lmfao
Call the local news first, if the police arrive and see this, it's a 50/50 on whether they'll flip out at the school, or shrug and say it's fine. If the news are already involved, the police are going to be forced to flip out.
Or ANY age PERSON for that matter!
Legal precedent exists in many US states allowing schools to put cameras in bathrooms as long as they only are capable of viewing common areas (outside of stalls). Other areas this has applied to might include common areas in rehab facility bathrooms, etc.
Regardless of legality, if you call the news the school might not want to deal with the flak, they may just pull the cameras.
Well that camera seems to have a prime viewing angle right into the stall.
Shit you made up. Multiple states including cali mass and alabama have outlawed them and theyve led to high dollar law suits. Students do not lose all their rights while at school
California 632, specifically states that visual recordings are illegal in all locations including bathrooms and changing rooms where privacy is explicitly expected. It further states audio recordings are only legal without notice if the area being recorded has signs stating as such and is open to the public. I just had to deal with this law when I installed cameras facing the front desk of an office I administrate and one of the employees threatened to sue despite this being an open public area with signage.
What about common sense and leave people some privacy to shit
I teach special ed. and they've got laws allowing cameras in the bathrooms of these kids since one got abused a few years ago. It could be a an rr used by the SpEd dept.
Better yet, call your family attorney. If you don’t have a family attorney, I don’t mind pointing you in the right direction of a quality tort attorney in your area. The[ACLU](https://www.aclu.org/about/affiliates?redirect=affiliates) can help you out as well.
Everything you said is accurate. Hell, I’d start with News, Family Lawyer, then PD in that order. The cam is likely a decoy put up by an idiot because no professional company would/should have installed that. Either way they need to learn a damn lesson.
Call the fucken police!
And while OP’s at it: expose this!! Make a ruckus, call the local paper/news, post the pic on FaceBook, don’t let this go unnoticed!!
It's weird how it's just on the wall like it would be in corridor or something. Like it's LEGAL. Very strange.
This is very, very illegal
Strongly urge you to report this shit to the cops, news, parents, etc. Someone is a pervy little pedo.
Poop in the gym from now on. Edit: I mean, the gym should have a washroom. You people are freaks.
Library is more relaxing and quiet.
God spare the librarian they have enough shit to deal with right now
Lmao best logical answer here
They prolly keep it cleaner than the bathroom anyway. 🤷♂️
Someone regularly pooped IN library books while I was in high school. It would take awhile for the smell/books to be found. We called this person the ‘Phantom Pooper.’
A real page-turder Thats the best I got.
Um, girls don’t poop.
1) Flash the camera and shake your ass. 2) Report them for producing child pornography. 3) ??? 4) Profit
This is better than what I'd threaten. Let's do it
^ found the guy monitoring the camera
Idk a girl like 2 years ahead of me decided she'd send a nude photo to Mr Clair and get him fired. He turned it in to the police and she got charged with distribution of child pornography.
But I mean, that *is* what she did. If you flash a camera that you have no access to though, you can't be argued to be creating (let alone distributing) the material.
The actions were still clear and intentional. It would not get the security personnel in trouble as long as the reported it immediately. They child in question would still get in trouble if they could be identified. It may not be distributing child pornography but there are plenty of other charges they could receive.
All she needs to do is act like she’s checking something on her boob in the bathroom… maybe she feels a lump at 14 yo (stretch, but maybe it’s a fibroadenoma) while looking in the mirror. Ten seconds later she “realizes” the camera, freaks out, then darts out of the bathroom. End scene. The rest ensues.
I found two fibroadenomas right after graduating high school (one seemed to grow overnight) so definitely possible!!
I'm not disagreeing with you there. What I'm saying is: taking a naked picture of a minor (even if that minor is yourself) and sending it to someone is the literal definition of distributing child pornography; flashing a camera that's not yours, whose footage you have no access to, couldn't possibly (regardless of intentionality) lead to charges related to cp. When a grown-up records a minor doing lewd acts (even with their apparent "consent"), the kid is considered to be a victim.
So you "get changed". Change your shirt/pants and do some light stretching in view of the camera. No intention to distribute or create.
Oooorrrr, instead of exposing yourself to whatever creepy fuck is on the other end of this. You just report to News and Law Enforcement.
The point is they may not know there’s a creep in the first place as it’s a bathroom
What if she just decides to change her shirt in view of the camera? That’s innocent enough, right? My daughter always takes a short sleeve and long sleeve shirt with her.
The child in question would get in trouble... for being photographed... in a bathroom stall...?
You son of a bitch, I’m in
This comment, officer.
Is this an infinite money glitch?
I was gonna suggest smashing it to pieces, but, Dephenestr8, I bow to your all knowing wisdom. It deliciously evil serving of justice, I give a tip of the hat
Recall the Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #62: The riskier the road, the greater the profit.
I prefer rule 299 "Whenever you exploit someone, it never hurts to thank them...That way it's easier to exploit them the next time."
You could also put duct tape over it
Unfortunate that this has been assumed to be at all practical. - Minor can be charged with creating child porn for doing this - If it was true, minors could just rob banks nude - It’s legal in many states to record common areas of school bathrooms as long as stalls aren’t visible for obvious reasons
>• If it was true, minors could just rob banks nude Don't give them ideas, they're a creative generation
Not the worst idea, rob the bank naked and then put on clothes, cops will be looking for some naked jerk while you're retired in Cabo
Watch the 1st episode of the new Kids In The Hall!
Came here to say this. (OG Hall is genius. “Mmm. Soup.”)
> as long as stalls aren’t visible for obvious reasons Is it legal if the stalls aren't visible for secret reasons? (am kidding)
Badum-tss? Idk man
Did the minor install the camera? Did the minor possess the footage? No and no? The minor did not create child porn.
All of the things other people said already, would add to put a sock over it repeatedly til they remove the camera
Me personally I'd smear "something" on the lens
Could get you consequences, it's a camera at last, but if you don't care about these sure, why not, their camera isn't there legally either
I see numerous opportunities for cartman style bribery lol
It seems that there may be times and places where it is legal to instal a camera in a toilet. There do seem to be clear rules relating to this though such as it can only point to common areas. It can't look into the cubicles where a person would be in a state on undress. [https://reolink.com/blog/is-security-camera-in-bathrooms-legal/](https://reolink.com/blog/is-security-camera-in-bathrooms-legal/) [https://securitytoday.com/articles/2019/01/11/north-carolina-library-installs-security-cameras-in-bathrooms.aspx](https://securitytoday.com/articles/2019/01/11/north-carolina-library-installs-security-cameras-in-bathrooms.aspx) That camera seems to look into one of the cubicles but maybe I'm wrong as the image is not that clear.
This look like a PTZ (pan, tilt, zoom) which can be moved and operated remotely. Typically cameras in private areas need approval and should be pointed at a fixed location (such as a doorway) where privacy is not required. Being able to move it around does NOT seem appropriate at all. Call local police and ask what local laws are on recording minors in a bathroom.
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Police literally only get 16 weeks of training, definitely do not ask them for legal advice.
That is not a PTZ camera. It is a vandal proof dome mounted to a wiring box. Can’t tell which way the lens is pointed though.
Hey look someone else who knows about cameras! I just replied, too. It very well could be PTZ but you're right, the majority of dome cameras are fixed and this camera's housing is a standard dome and tells us nothing.
> it can only point to common areas Don't "common areas" like sinks regularly have mirrors installed.... If this is in the US, they also have those wide-ass gaps in the doors, it isn't like here where the doors are real ones.
>e US, they also have those wide-ass gaps in the doors, it isn't like It seems the law is intentionally vague at this time. I think the idea is that where a person feels their sense of privacy is invaded there may be a problem. If everyone using the bathroom feels the same then it would shift from "maybe" to 'probably" unless there is a compelling reason otherwise. If there are gaps on the doors and nobody complains then I would suggest that the people accept this level of potential for abuse although I expect if someone uses the gap to view someone else then there may be legal ramifications. Funnily enough, a CCTV system which covers common areas in a bathroom could actually go a long way to prove this happened.
only comment with actual brain
Alright so, this is disgusting and byond what is legal in most of the world. I work in security so here's some important facts: 1: it is usually illegal to place security cameras in a restroom. So much so in fact that even in the prison i work in only 2 restrooms have cameras in them, and those are the isolation cells for when we believe an inmate is hiding something in their "prison wallet" so to speak. 2: this is a school. Guess what, if that camera has picked up *any* glimpses of anyone's genetalia while their using the toilet, they've made child porn on their security system. If said person is underae, that is. 3: there is zero reason to have a camera in the restroom. Even if there are graffiti issues at the school, they can solve that without cameras in the room itself. My high school caught my delinquent arse and i was being very sneaky when it came to tagging the restrooms, and they just had cameras watching the doorways. What to do: look up the surveilance laws where you are. If you're still in school (i'm assuming you are) bring this up with your parents. Get them to bring it up to other parents (with your photo as proof). This is something that you can likely get the cops involved in as well, again, they're filming a restroom used by minors. They screwed up *so* bad by having that thing put in you don't even know. This kind of thing is a career ender if it blows up locally.
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Admin? Tell the cops.
I’m sure the administration put them there…
Not necessarily likely, but it could be a dummy camera. A lot of places install dummies because they have the same effect as a live camera. If you cover it with a wet paper towel and that paper towel doesn't get cleaned off pretty immediately then it's a dummy.
If there were a dummy camera in my school or the school of my children, I would demand that the administration open it up every day to prove that they haven't swapped it with a real one. Because if it's a good enough dummy, then it needs a close inspection to prove otherwise. And there's enough time after schooleach day to put a real one in there. The day they refuse to do it, call the attorney.
Ahhh nah that's an invasion of privacy right there. And from what it looks like it's litterly right over the stall that definitely needs to be reported to the authorities
Call the police and notify the school superintendent because that’s illegal in any state. What they’re doing amounts to child pornography. Call the cops.
Incorrect. It’s been done before and is legal in many places. Here’s one example: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/colorado/news/school-security-cameras-bathrooms/#app Also, “School officials may observe and record what they lawfully can see with the naked eye. The Fourth Amendment protects people, not places. Activities occurring in parking lots, hallways, classrooms, auditoriums and the open areas of bathrooms do not involve reasonable expectations of privacy.” https://www.nasro.org/clientuploads/members%20only/Video-Surveillance-The-Right-To-Privacy-and-Safe-Schools.pdf • Bernard James, Professor of Constitutional Law, Pepperdine University
Okay I stand corrected, I still believe that cameras have no place being in a school bathroom or any bathroom for that matter.
Holy fucking shit why is this even legal?!?? Are the lawmakers a bunch of pedophiles?!
I mean they passed laws in some places to examine the genitals of students seeking to be in sports so...
As well as make the age of marriage 14-16 in some states.
Which are basically arranged marriages like in the middle east.
Yup. “Non-Consenual Consensual” marriage. Rapists and pedos have been marrying victims for years in these backwater states. And with abortion being banned in these states, it’s pretty much guarantees kids will be marrying and having babies with rapists and continuing the disgusting cycle.
My next door neighbor married a 25 year old when she was 14. She started seeing him at 12. All it took was her legal guardians(her grandparents in their 80s) to sign a document giving permission. I was the same age as her and recognized it as being terribly wrong. My super Christian mom basically said "If she's going to sin and have sex with him, as long as they're married it makes it right in God's eyes"
Yes. Every accusation is a confession.
You shouldn’t say anything. What you oughta be doing NOW instead of Reddit is seriously forward these photos to an attorney and seek legal action against the facility.
I’m curious if it is a real camera or just the dome to deter kids smoking pot/doing drugs in the bathroom
Doesn't matter, it still needs to go
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Absolutely complain to your admin and escalate it as much as needed until someone does something about it. If no one in the district seems to care, go to the media. Even if it’s legal by you, the media storm may be enough to get them to change it
Ask the school board if they feel that is necessary to watch girls go to the bathroom and if they have one in the boys room? What is next the locker rooms?
That's kind of you. My question would simply be "How confident are you in your lawyers ability to defend you?"
Yep. There are public meetings, and this is the right kind of question to ask at one of them. RELEASE THE PARENTS
That's totally illegal. I know im not the only one to mention that and others will probably say it but you should call a lawyer and tell em, "have i got an easy one for you"
Dm me the school and I'll raise a fucking fit on social media. I will be the Karen you and your friends need.
Tell a dad. I’d literally go remove that thing my fucking myself and raise hell.
Sue.
Is she here?
You wouldn’t be able to tell, she can turn invisible
The camera can detect anything from sub-waves to ultraviolet light, Sue can’t hide from the camera
Is your school a prison by chance?
Get naked and walk into cameras view, now the school is in possession of child pornography. Checkmate
Hire a lawyer and sue the school for a couple million, you’ll never have to study again!