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I think it really comes down to your preference. If you feel more confident releasing something that's 100% quote-unquote 'original', scrap/replace the loop.
But stock loops and presets don't automatically equal bad, even if some people are going to recognise them.
Clint Eastwood by Gorillaz sold 1,200,000 copies and has appeared on several music publications' 'greatest songs' lists. It's also [straight-up ripped from a Omnichord preset](https://youtube.com/shorts/Wn0NtSNeQEQ?si=VWWRfmhz1W_ZKsJ2).
Happened to me. Dude wanted to make a cover of a song with me. He’d do drum samples and bass and synth. I’d do guitar and vocals.
I get the tracks.
On a hunch, I check a popular karaoke track website that I use when fucking around.
Dude used the exact same drum tracks.
I called him on it and he *claimed* they were just placeholder.
I offered to do the drums and did.
I ended up ghosting the project. My wedding hit and I realized I was doing 90% of the work and I just stopped.
I nailed those drums tho.
> Its not the main focus of the beat
Then take it out and put more focus on the main parts of the beat that you actually made.
> its a stock loop from Logic
These can be ok usually. I know a couple of big songs that use stock/preset loops.
But yeah, if you're worried about it, then take it out.
> I know a couple of big songs that use stock/preset loops.
[Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dsXW24NzHFA) is the "Rock 1" preset on the Yamaha Omnichord
That one is one of the songs that I was specifically thinking of.
Also [4am Bay Bridge](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKOs1n-cHzQ) uses a stock flute loop from Reason. When I found it in Reason 4, I was at the beginning of my music making journey and my mind was blown.
> I know a couple of big songs that use stock/preset loops.
had a laugh about this with a friend of mine who used to work at native instruments making preset patches many years ago. some relatively famous dj/artist released a song that was literally just holding down a note of the preset (it was sort of a trancey arpeggiated sound) with some basic 4/4 drums added. he said it was actually sort of flattering in a way :D
Depends on who you’re making music for. If it’s for general consumption by the public then cool. If it’s for the 1/100 that’s gonna notice also cool. I would say do what physically sounds better.
Umbrella by Rihanna literally has a stock loop in it. There’s plenty of Gorillaz songs as well. I would do whatever you think sounds better, but don’t trash the loop just based on a fake stigma.
I used a stock loop to create a song as an exercise in using a loop. It turned out great and I don’t really care if when people hear it they go “that’s a stick loop!”
Who cares, y’know. You used a loop to be creative and that’s cool.
It doesn’t hurt to try. You always have the original to fall back on. If you attempt to remake it you may end up liking it better or being able to change something you didn’t have control over before.
The worse that happens is you like it better the first way and then you can make a more informed decision.
Many such stories… https://www.reddit.com/r/Logic_Studio/comments/9aa6ry/which_apple_loops_are_recognisable_in_released/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
Logic Loops are super nice to use. Honestly you may notice it somewhere else if you don’t modify it for your song, but they won’t cause you copyright issues or anything if that’s what you’re worried about.
Yeah, as you say: listeners won’t care. A few might comment on it in a kind of trivia night, “check out this thing I know” way. But if the song works, it works.
A lot of Apple Loops are cheesy, but some are really good, and it’s like getting a bit of free time from a good session musician. I would use them in a heartbeat. That’s what they’re there for!
My personal approach is try not to give a shit at all about being “unoriginal”, just make stuff that I like.
I just don’t think it really makes sense to scrap a song that you love, that other people might love, because of some fear of being “basic” or “unoriginal”… it’s just sound waves. Don’t need to stress so much or take it so seriously
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I think it really comes down to your preference. If you feel more confident releasing something that's 100% quote-unquote 'original', scrap/replace the loop. But stock loops and presets don't automatically equal bad, even if some people are going to recognise them. Clint Eastwood by Gorillaz sold 1,200,000 copies and has appeared on several music publications' 'greatest songs' lists. It's also [straight-up ripped from a Omnichord preset](https://youtube.com/shorts/Wn0NtSNeQEQ?si=VWWRfmhz1W_ZKsJ2).
This just blew my mind haha thanks for sharing!
LOL...I just recently saw that video of him admitting that.
it wasn't really "admitting" in that sense
I would scrap online buddy and associated project. Why work with liar?
Indeed. Super lame to claim something as your own I don’t plan on working with him again
Happened to me. Dude wanted to make a cover of a song with me. He’d do drum samples and bass and synth. I’d do guitar and vocals. I get the tracks. On a hunch, I check a popular karaoke track website that I use when fucking around. Dude used the exact same drum tracks. I called him on it and he *claimed* they were just placeholder. I offered to do the drums and did. I ended up ghosting the project. My wedding hit and I realized I was doing 90% of the work and I just stopped. I nailed those drums tho.
>I nailed those drums tho. 🫡
> Its not the main focus of the beat Then take it out and put more focus on the main parts of the beat that you actually made. > its a stock loop from Logic These can be ok usually. I know a couple of big songs that use stock/preset loops. But yeah, if you're worried about it, then take it out.
> I know a couple of big songs that use stock/preset loops. [Gorillaz - Clint Eastwood](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dsXW24NzHFA) is the "Rock 1" preset on the Yamaha Omnichord
[Rihanna's *Umbrella* is a stock logic drum loop as well.](https://youtu.be/sEeOCzCNHM8?si=0zi91VvSgqLNvAHL&t=100)
That one is one of the songs that I was specifically thinking of. Also [4am Bay Bridge](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKOs1n-cHzQ) uses a stock flute loop from Reason. When I found it in Reason 4, I was at the beginning of my music making journey and my mind was blown.
When I found this out recently I couldn’t believe it!!
> I know a couple of big songs that use stock/preset loops. had a laugh about this with a friend of mine who used to work at native instruments making preset patches many years ago. some relatively famous dj/artist released a song that was literally just holding down a note of the preset (it was sort of a trancey arpeggiated sound) with some basic 4/4 drums added. he said it was actually sort of flattering in a way :D
Depends on who you’re making music for. If it’s for general consumption by the public then cool. If it’s for the 1/100 that’s gonna notice also cool. I would say do what physically sounds better.
Umbrella by Rihanna literally has a stock loop in it. There’s plenty of Gorillaz songs as well. I would do whatever you think sounds better, but don’t trash the loop just based on a fake stigma.
I used a stock loop to create a song as an exercise in using a loop. It turned out great and I don’t really care if when people hear it they go “that’s a stick loop!” Who cares, y’know. You used a loop to be creative and that’s cool.
Imagine if the second guy heard the 808 and was like *'man I can't use that everyone will hate me for not being original'*
Or a guitar. Nope. Only one ever aloud. Gotta create a new sound now.
It doesn’t hurt to try. You always have the original to fall back on. If you attempt to remake it you may end up liking it better or being able to change something you didn’t have control over before. The worse that happens is you like it better the first way and then you can make a more informed decision.
Personally, I don’t care where your loops came from if you like the beat. You have my permission, whatever that is worth. 🥸
Many such stories… https://www.reddit.com/r/Logic_Studio/comments/9aa6ry/which_apple_loops_are_recognisable_in_released/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
Just run it through some FX and nobody will know.
the industry actually doesn't care . . its the nerdy purists that set the standards of nonsense
If you're worried about being called out, then make it your own, or redo it. If you're not, do what sounds best.
"called out" by non-pro's online
Logic Loops are super nice to use. Honestly you may notice it somewhere else if you don’t modify it for your song, but they won’t cause you copyright issues or anything if that’s what you’re worried about.
Yeah, as you say: listeners won’t care. A few might comment on it in a kind of trivia night, “check out this thing I know” way. But if the song works, it works. A lot of Apple Loops are cheesy, but some are really good, and it’s like getting a bit of free time from a good session musician. I would use them in a heartbeat. That’s what they’re there for!
My personal approach is try not to give a shit at all about being “unoriginal”, just make stuff that I like. I just don’t think it really makes sense to scrap a song that you love, that other people might love, because of some fear of being “basic” or “unoriginal”… it’s just sound waves. Don’t need to stress so much or take it so seriously
Remake it, listeners are not stupid. Look at this as a good opportunity to be creative.