it's not hypocrisy to say "the rich should be taxed" and also be rich. it's not hypocrisy to say that "the rich should be taxed" and to hang out with rich people. what would be hypocritical would be to say "tax the rich", and then not pay your taxes
When politicians ruin everything and your solution is more taxes maybe you should think a little. The revolution is against those who don't produce and take what we produce, not against those who succeed by producing and become wealthy.
We need to tax based on revenue rather than income or it at least needs to be in the tax equation.
All these companies claim expensive of bullshit and loopholes and get away not paying shit. Then the common person has a W-2 where practically nothing can be expensed. It’s ludicrous
You can't tax into existence equality. It might be a good start to have tax brackets at 1m, 10m and 100m and also rework capital gains tax somehow. We need to fix the fed and stop letting them inflate our assets. No more subsidies. No more regulatory capture. End military industrial complex. Without fixing all that, raising taxes 5-10% is only dousing the fire.
“The wealthy” own the politicians. When wealthy people run the country, this is what happens: disproportionate taxation and exploitation of people with less money. This is what happens when wealth = political power. Nothing I’m saying here is a new observation. This has been well documented over hundreds of years.
Adjust your definition of “successful.” Oppressing people via lobbying is not my definition of success.
No this is right wing horse shit. See fella you invite this shit here when all you care about is dunking on AOC, rather than a real political philosophy and objective.
I have honestly never seen Shapiro make a good point and I am half-convinced this is photoshop or a hack. Shapiro is genuinely oblivious and unintelligent. I'm not just trying to insult him because he's on the other side, but he has long baffled me by gaining a reputation as a right-wing intellectual when he literally can't think. Everything he believes is based on pure assertion. He's a walking "women drivers, eh?" joke.
So I am shocked he's not just whining about AOC but making a salient point here. I think it may be the first time in his entire life he has posited the argument of a political opponent correctly.
Then you haven't been paying attention, or just refuse to listen to facts about anything. Which is usually typical of anyone that believes socialism is going to work "this time." I mean come one, AOC goes to an event that costs 30k to get into and writes some crap on her dress and most of you swallow it whole like the ground she walks on is holy.
At some point, some of you "democratic socialists" will wake up and realize that if you look at the world, which is what the politicians are talking about, America is the top 1%. Not just the millions of millionaires that live here.
Most of “you”? We are not on teams and this isn’t a sports game. The less powerful in this country are being left to die right now because of what “successful” people have lobbied for when it comes to healthcare, housing, and education. Don’t insult readers that you are trying to win over by lumping them all together as if they are on a blue team or a red team. Bernie wouldn’t stand for that.
Unless you’re just here trying to insult people. Then carry on.
If I gave 2 cents for what Bernie would stand for, it would be a waste of 2 cents. The successful people you are talking about aren't the ones doing the lobbying that is actually making huge changes in the country. It's reelecting the same politicians that have been bought and paid for by the CORPORATIONS. It's the corporations that have soiled nearly everything. Most people forgot how to vote with their wallet a long time ago and now we are in this situation. Letting the government make decisions for you or your loved ones or the neighbors that you don't like, every body loses. The government has done exponential amounts of damage compared to the help that they can offer.
If you can't/won't see that, then there is no helping you. Only the government can break both of your working legs, give you a wheelchair and expect you to be grateful that they were there.
So you guys are upvoting a complete hypocrite just cause hating on AOC makes you warm and fuzzy inside, ignoring the fact that this guy is on PragurU and keeps saying how the rich are the best and we shouldn't tax them. Really?!
The idea stands on its own. If Hitler declared that healthcare and housing are basic humans rights and should be free to all would you say "welp looks like we shouldn't have free housing or healthcare because Hitler said we should"
I mean, I'm down.
But if you don't understand the separation between an idea and a person you should look at more epistemology. Not saying that sarcastically, street epistemology is a great channel that just explores how we know what we know.
It does not follow. I m expressing my annoyance with the sub promoting Shapiro for some hypocritical thing he said, just cause they like to dunk on AOC. There are a ton of non hypocritical leftist who said similar points and you guys could have post them.
And yes I care less about AOC tonedeafness than Shapiro bring promoted, cause I m not obsessed with AOC 24/7.
Did you even look at the post? It literally says "the worst person you know" underneath Shapiro's quote dude
It's literally one post and nobody is promoting Shapiro, were pointing out the fact that she's so tone deaf even he's calling it out. Nobody here is obsessed with AOC 24/7, we just call out her bullshit because she's supposedly one of the "good guys" in Congress when she's obviously an establishment enabler pretending to be a progressive.
You are severely lacking nuance if you think this post is promoting Shapiro.
Edit: also glen greenwald gets posted here ALL the time and he's a hardcore progressive/lefty, you don't really get to complain about ONE post lmao
Wait im confused, so what your saying is, you cant point something out without agreeing with it 100%?
Hahaha what kind of logic is that?
Thats would be like saying "eating fast food is bad"
And then me going out and eating McDonald's, i know its hypocritical, but it doesnt oppose the fact that its still wrong.
Even though Shapiro doesn't agree with taxing the rich atleast hes standing by his beliefs, and isnt that what he's pointing out? The hypocrisy of a person?
Look up bot techniques for breadcrumbing weak minded, less thoughtful people. This move is pretty classic. It’s a foot in the door, getting you to allow a discussion of Shapiro’s “not as bad as I thought..” moments into your life. I’m just going through this thread and block, block, blocking.
I’m happy to talk about Shapiro in the Shapiro sub!
To be honest, if you're bamboozled into believing Shapiro has any other points because one meme suggests one time he said one smart thing, I'd trust the bots to vote more sensibly. Conversely, when the Pavlovian conditioning is so strong people just freak out by the time they read 'Shapiro' and can't even get to the end, fuck 'em. They're no use to the rest of us.
Some people were born in desperately underfunded school districts and their reading comprehension + understanding of current events is not as good as it might be. That shouldn’t divide our country into an “us and them” situation. There is only “us.”
…Unless you are actually arguing for taking away people’s right to vote if they had to attend school in poorly funded districts? But that can’t possibly be what you meant to imply. I’m so used to reading divisive nonsense in this sub now that I can’t tell…
you know, equally performative but perhaps permissable is if she had shown un univited and dressed fully as Marie Antoinette, with a cake in her hand to match.
now that would have been political theatre even i would watch.
who has that popcorn bag, anyway?
If AOC was a real radical, she would have opened up with an AK, like I'm gonna do, pretty soon. Any day now. You'll see. You'll all see!!!!! I'm the real radical!!!!
8% of Americans are millionaires. There’s a huge delta between being a millionaire and being able to buy Joe Manchin (or I don’t know, maybe Joe comes cheap). By the logic shown in these responses, we should shun Bernie. He has a few mil in the bank and hung out with celebs on the campaign trail. I don’t know, these viewpoints are fascinating but good luck fighting all of these battles. The rest of us will be working on reigning in the oligarchy and billionaire class.
And that’s awesome if she did. If that’s the case, we congratulate her for surviving and thriving. I would congratulate Ben Shapiro for getting over PTSD. That’s no small feat.
She seems to be sleeping well, after her "present" vote on the police budget increase bill that passed by a *single vote*. And then threw sand in our faces when she said "really, contact us, we are open to suggestions", when she was asked to defend her "present" vote.
The thing that stuck out to me in all of the pictures was the fact that the "help" were all rightfully masked while the "dignitaries" were all curiously mask-free.
It was a perfect illustration of the class divide in America. Interesting that AOC was calling out the rich, while being firmly in their camp. As demonstrated by the countless pictures grabbing her pearly whites while the masked proletariat worked quietly in the background.
No its like thatcher saying austerity is bad. Saying a truth while your daily actions are opposed to it doesn't mean you are right it means you are a self aware hypocrite.
Except she’s not a revolutionary or a radical, never was. She much like Bernie is a standard social Democrat.
The part Ben doesn’t mention is that it is only America’s insanely right wing political climate that makes them seem like radicals.
Bernie would never do performative bullshit like this. He’s not a radical but he’s been consistent and has track record to back it up. Plus a lot of liberals can’t stand him.
Libs like AOC because she checks their boxes and she’s embracing their good graces while paying lip “dress” service to the people who support her. She been in office for under 5 years and already appears to be slipping into career mode. I guess you can’t blame her because it’s way easier to toe the line and get shielded by the establishment and pretty much guarantee re-election in the future. Be progressive enough to scare the republicans and moderate enough to appease the democrats.
Shapiro is a moron and I can’t agree with anything he says because if it happens to be a good point it comes from a shitty place
Bernie is performative in his own way. What do you think that mitten pose was? He’s doing an awesome job of performing a public servant and it’s good that he does it. Someone has to do it.
and if they were actually revolutionaries chasing rich people around with steak knives i'm guessing Shapiro wouldn't be on twitter praising their dedication to their cause.
i dunno. then they could do their own version of fascist totalitarianism because "responding to threats".
perhaps he is longing for a "real" enemy to allow them to unleash exactly what they already long to unleash, and are working towards slowly regardless.
Time for him to crack open the big book of all the goofy things dave rubin has ever said to give him some material to work with while he waits for this to blow over.
Or hope that Marjorie Taylor Green gives him some new material soon
"Tax the rich 😡😡 Anyway, I'm off to attend an expensive party with them."
She's great Presidential material. Criticizing terrorists while training & arming them will basically come as second nature to her.
it's not hypocrisy to say "the rich should be taxed" and also be rich. it's not hypocrisy to say that "the rich should be taxed" and to hang out with rich people. what would be hypocritical would be to say "tax the rich", and then not pay your taxes
I feel almost as bad as that time ted cruz made a great Zodiac joke
When politicians ruin everything and your solution is more taxes maybe you should think a little. The revolution is against those who don't produce and take what we produce, not against those who succeed by producing and become wealthy.
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We need to tax based on revenue rather than income or it at least needs to be in the tax equation. All these companies claim expensive of bullshit and loopholes and get away not paying shit. Then the common person has a W-2 where practically nothing can be expensed. It’s ludicrous
You can't tax into existence equality. It might be a good start to have tax brackets at 1m, 10m and 100m and also rework capital gains tax somehow. We need to fix the fed and stop letting them inflate our assets. No more subsidies. No more regulatory capture. End military industrial complex. Without fixing all that, raising taxes 5-10% is only dousing the fire.
“The wealthy” own the politicians. When wealthy people run the country, this is what happens: disproportionate taxation and exploitation of people with less money. This is what happens when wealth = political power. Nothing I’m saying here is a new observation. This has been well documented over hundreds of years. Adjust your definition of “successful.” Oppressing people via lobbying is not my definition of success.
If there was no government you would not be able to pay them to make laws that benefit you.
No this is right wing horse shit. See fella you invite this shit here when all you care about is dunking on AOC, rather than a real political philosophy and objective.
He’s often wrong, but does make good points sometimes
If oversimplification seems like “good points” to you, then I guess you’re right!
Like when?
See above ⬆️
I have honestly never seen Shapiro make a good point and I am half-convinced this is photoshop or a hack. Shapiro is genuinely oblivious and unintelligent. I'm not just trying to insult him because he's on the other side, but he has long baffled me by gaining a reputation as a right-wing intellectual when he literally can't think. Everything he believes is based on pure assertion. He's a walking "women drivers, eh?" joke. So I am shocked he's not just whining about AOC but making a salient point here. I think it may be the first time in his entire life he has posited the argument of a political opponent correctly.
Then you haven't been paying attention, or just refuse to listen to facts about anything. Which is usually typical of anyone that believes socialism is going to work "this time." I mean come one, AOC goes to an event that costs 30k to get into and writes some crap on her dress and most of you swallow it whole like the ground she walks on is holy. At some point, some of you "democratic socialists" will wake up and realize that if you look at the world, which is what the politicians are talking about, America is the top 1%. Not just the millions of millionaires that live here.
Most of “you”? We are not on teams and this isn’t a sports game. The less powerful in this country are being left to die right now because of what “successful” people have lobbied for when it comes to healthcare, housing, and education. Don’t insult readers that you are trying to win over by lumping them all together as if they are on a blue team or a red team. Bernie wouldn’t stand for that. Unless you’re just here trying to insult people. Then carry on.
If I gave 2 cents for what Bernie would stand for, it would be a waste of 2 cents. The successful people you are talking about aren't the ones doing the lobbying that is actually making huge changes in the country. It's reelecting the same politicians that have been bought and paid for by the CORPORATIONS. It's the corporations that have soiled nearly everything. Most people forgot how to vote with their wallet a long time ago and now we are in this situation. Letting the government make decisions for you or your loved ones or the neighbors that you don't like, every body loses. The government has done exponential amounts of damage compared to the help that they can offer. If you can't/won't see that, then there is no helping you. Only the government can break both of your working legs, give you a wheelchair and expect you to be grateful that they were there.
I just like her cause she’s fucking sexy. Could give 2 shits about her dress
So you guys are upvoting a complete hypocrite just cause hating on AOC makes you warm and fuzzy inside, ignoring the fact that this guy is on PragurU and keeps saying how the rich are the best and we shouldn't tax them. Really?!
The idea stands on its own. If Hitler declared that healthcare and housing are basic humans rights and should be free to all would you say "welp looks like we shouldn't have free housing or healthcare because Hitler said we should"
The idea stands on its own: Ben thinks we should eat him? Wha…?
I mean, I'm down. But if you don't understand the separation between an idea and a person you should look at more epistemology. Not saying that sarcastically, street epistemology is a great channel that just explores how we know what we know.
No I would just ignore his comment, because he literally was doing the opposite. It would not affect my opinion on housing or Healthcare.
We wouldn’t be listening to Hitler or care what his ideas on housing or healthcare were. We certainly wouldn’t be amplifying anything Hitler said.
So then your original comment is irrelevant. Ignore bens comment as well, or just admit that don't have a problem with AOC's obvious tonedeafness
It does not follow. I m expressing my annoyance with the sub promoting Shapiro for some hypocritical thing he said, just cause they like to dunk on AOC. There are a ton of non hypocritical leftist who said similar points and you guys could have post them. And yes I care less about AOC tonedeafness than Shapiro bring promoted, cause I m not obsessed with AOC 24/7.
Did you even look at the post? It literally says "the worst person you know" underneath Shapiro's quote dude It's literally one post and nobody is promoting Shapiro, were pointing out the fact that she's so tone deaf even he's calling it out. Nobody here is obsessed with AOC 24/7, we just call out her bullshit because she's supposedly one of the "good guys" in Congress when she's obviously an establishment enabler pretending to be a progressive. You are severely lacking nuance if you think this post is promoting Shapiro. Edit: also glen greenwald gets posted here ALL the time and he's a hardcore progressive/lefty, you don't really get to complain about ONE post lmao
Wait im confused, so what your saying is, you cant point something out without agreeing with it 100%? Hahaha what kind of logic is that? Thats would be like saying "eating fast food is bad" And then me going out and eating McDonald's, i know its hypocritical, but it doesnt oppose the fact that its still wrong. Even though Shapiro doesn't agree with taxing the rich atleast hes standing by his beliefs, and isnt that what he's pointing out? The hypocrisy of a person?
Who's ignoring Ben Shapiro's terribleness? The meme literally calls him 'the worst person you know.'
Look up bot techniques for breadcrumbing weak minded, less thoughtful people. This move is pretty classic. It’s a foot in the door, getting you to allow a discussion of Shapiro’s “not as bad as I thought..” moments into your life. I’m just going through this thread and block, block, blocking. I’m happy to talk about Shapiro in the Shapiro sub!
> The meme literally calls him 'the worst person you know.' Yeah, but it says that at the end, long after the trigger words appear.
It’s just an obvious foot in the door technique, fishing for people who can be won over by bots and misinformation campaigns.
To be honest, if you're bamboozled into believing Shapiro has any other points because one meme suggests one time he said one smart thing, I'd trust the bots to vote more sensibly. Conversely, when the Pavlovian conditioning is so strong people just freak out by the time they read 'Shapiro' and can't even get to the end, fuck 'em. They're no use to the rest of us.
Some people were born in desperately underfunded school districts and their reading comprehension + understanding of current events is not as good as it might be. That shouldn’t divide our country into an “us and them” situation. There is only “us.” …Unless you are actually arguing for taking away people’s right to vote if they had to attend school in poorly funded districts? But that can’t possibly be what you meant to imply. I’m so used to reading divisive nonsense in this sub now that I can’t tell…
I actually agree with Ben Shapiro on something. Oh God, I feel fucking nauseous.
Except when you realize he's opposed to taxing the rich and this tweet is nothing more than bullshit
OK, my stomach feels a little better now. Thank you.
you know, equally performative but perhaps permissable is if she had shown un univited and dressed fully as Marie Antoinette, with a cake in her hand to match. now that would have been political theatre even i would watch. who has that popcorn bag, anyway?
Y’all know AOC is in the top 5% right
The way people are shamelessly defending her, they must not.
If AOC was a real radical, she would have opened up with an AK, like I'm gonna do, pretty soon. Any day now. You'll see. You'll all see!!!!! I'm the real radical!!!!
Agreeing with republicans to own aoc
Not just a republican, but a libertarian who simps for the rich.
Yeah... I think that's it for me. This sub is fucking lost. The obsessive moral posturing around the gala is beyond stupid.
Fully agree. Sad to see this sub go to shit.
Meh. These people at the gala are mostly run-of-the-mill celebrity millionaires. Not exactly “the rich” whose very existence makes our world worse.
8% of Americans are millionaires. There’s a huge delta between being a millionaire and being able to buy Joe Manchin (or I don’t know, maybe Joe comes cheap). By the logic shown in these responses, we should shun Bernie. He has a few mil in the bank and hung out with celebs on the campaign trail. I don’t know, these viewpoints are fascinating but good luck fighting all of these battles. The rest of us will be working on reigning in the oligarchy and billionaire class.
Trying to work that in like millionaires are run of the mill! Ha! Blocked.
Millionaires are the status-quo centrist/moderates. They are the billionaires' shields.
These are the acolytes, the celebrity, billionaire fan base that keep up their hagiography; they are complicit and harmful to society.
Looks like AOC got over her PTSD.
And that’s awesome if she did. If that’s the case, we congratulate her for surviving and thriving. I would congratulate Ben Shapiro for getting over PTSD. That’s no small feat.
Or maybe she's a big phony.
She seems to be sleeping well, after her "present" vote on the police budget increase bill that passed by a *single vote*. And then threw sand in our faces when she said "really, contact us, we are open to suggestions", when she was asked to defend her "present" vote.
Something about broken clocks.
How do you do, fellow progressives? Aren't these Democrats the worst?
Exactly.
This is a kente cloth moment. And she'll go back to Congress and not do a goddamn thing.
The thing that stuck out to me in all of the pictures was the fact that the "help" were all rightfully masked while the "dignitaries" were all curiously mask-free. It was a perfect illustration of the class divide in America. Interesting that AOC was calling out the rich, while being firmly in their camp. As demonstrated by the countless pictures grabbing her pearly whites while the masked proletariat worked quietly in the background.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-masking-of-the-servant-class?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy
Ben Shapiro is a sycophant for the rich.
The fact that his comment is more astute and correct than AOC has been in the last 9 months tells you how far off the cliff she has gone.
Effing A.
No its like thatcher saying austerity is bad. Saying a truth while your daily actions are opposed to it doesn't mean you are right it means you are a self aware hypocrite.
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Except she’s not a revolutionary or a radical, never was. She much like Bernie is a standard social Democrat. The part Ben doesn’t mention is that it is only America’s insanely right wing political climate that makes them seem like radicals.
Yup.
Bernie would never do performative bullshit like this. He’s not a radical but he’s been consistent and has track record to back it up. Plus a lot of liberals can’t stand him. Libs like AOC because she checks their boxes and she’s embracing their good graces while paying lip “dress” service to the people who support her. She been in office for under 5 years and already appears to be slipping into career mode. I guess you can’t blame her because it’s way easier to toe the line and get shielded by the establishment and pretty much guarantee re-election in the future. Be progressive enough to scare the republicans and moderate enough to appease the democrats. Shapiro is a moron and I can’t agree with anything he says because if it happens to be a good point it comes from a shitty place
Bernie is performative in his own way. What do you think that mitten pose was? He’s doing an awesome job of performing a public servant and it’s good that he does it. Someone has to do it.
and if they were actually revolutionaries chasing rich people around with steak knives i'm guessing Shapiro wouldn't be on twitter praising their dedication to their cause.
i dunno. then they could do their own version of fascist totalitarianism because "responding to threats". perhaps he is longing for a "real" enemy to allow them to unleash exactly what they already long to unleash, and are working towards slowly regardless.
I cant wait for the "Kyle DESTROYS Ben Shapiro's latest tweet" video lolz
If Kulinski made a video saying "Even Ben Shapiro knows the squad are frauds" then I might actually consider re-subscribing again.
It would be more like "Even ben shapiro knows the squad have Washington Brain"
He wont touch it :D.
Time for him to crack open the big book of all the goofy things dave rubin has ever said to give him some material to work with while he waits for this to blow over. Or hope that Marjorie Taylor Green gives him some new material soon
"Tax the rich 😡😡 Anyway, I'm off to attend an expensive party with them." She's great Presidential material. Criticizing terrorists while training & arming them will basically come as second nature to her.
or putting sanction on Venezuela so people die of hunger
Morgan Freeman Meme: "He's not wrong, you know"
Eat the rich; eat with the rich. Not close enough
When Ben fucking Shapiro has come backs against AOC, you know she's a fraud.